So, I, like many other people, have noticed how freaking arrogant the races are in the 40K universe. There is the Space Marines, believing that they are total badasses, which is really not far from the fact. But they come of as quite arrogant. The Tau have their whole "Greater Good" thing, which seem fairly arrogant to me. The Eldar seem like the most arrogant by far. This is extremely noticeable in Dawn of War 2: Retribution. They frequently say things about all of the races involved, especially the Humans.
For instance, there is a point where when either the Ranger hero or the Warlock hero is talking about a Traitor Guard transmission, and he says that "Human communication's is not far removed from shouting." This came of as quite arrogant to me.

So what are your thoughts? I could be wrong on a lot of this, but I would like to know what you guys think.

The exact same thing can be said about humanity both today and in the past. The Nazi's with the whole "master race" concept, Americans with the whole ideology of the greatest nation on earth, and us Canadians always making fun of your beer(I am not a beer drinker, so I have no idea if it's as bad as all my friends say, I personally hate all beer).

Authors write what they know, and since we know arrogance quite well, that's what we put into our works of fiction.

Thaanos wrote:The exact same thing can be said about humanity both today and in the past. The Nazi's with the whole "master race" concept, Americans with the whole ideology of the greatest nation on earth, and us Canadians always making fun of your beer(I am not a beer drinker, so I have no idea if it's as bad as all my friends say, I personally hate all beer).

Authors write what they know, and since we know arrogance quite well, that's what we put into our works of fiction.

Good point there. I guess we do no quite a bit about arrogance, eh?

And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

It all also helps very much with the grimdark setting. Everyone is against everyone, no one can be friends because their heads are rammed too far up their respective asses that no one can get along

CrazyThang wrote:It all also helps very much with the grimdark setting. Everyone is against everyone, no one can be friends because their heads are rammed too far up their respective asses that no one can get along

Very true.

Every faction is arrogant, especially the Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. Actually, Tyranids aren't arrogant, just hungry.

LoneLictor wrote:Every faction is arrogant, especially the Chaos Space Marines and Eldar. Actually, Tyranids aren't arrogant, just hungry.

That is why I did not talk about them, nor the Orks. The Tyranids just want to eat everything, and the Oks just want to fight. Not pretty, nor do I agree with it, but I do admire their simplicity.

I'd say this is just meant to be one of the recurring themes of the setting - every faction is arrogant, hypocritcal, tyrannical or a combination thereof. An exception might be the Tyranids, but that's also debatable...if the Hive Mind is considered as some sort of evil mastermind-type intelligence, rather than just an animal, it could also be described as arrogant for thinking that Tyranids have the right to invade the galaxy, take what they want and set themselves as the dominant species.

Fezman wrote:I'd say this is just meant to be one of the recurring themes of the setting - every faction is arrogant, hypocritcal, tyrannical or a combination thereof. An exception might be the Tyranids, but that's also debatable...if the Hive Mind is considered as some sort of evil mastermind-type intelligence, rather than just an animal, it could also be described as arrogant for thinking that Tyranids have the right to invade the galaxy, take what they want and set themselves as the dominant species.

........Orks arent any of the above, they fight for the hell of it, and as long as they fight they dont care about anything else

I've thought about this myself lately, though in a different way. Mostly with why is everyone so war hungry in novels? Some of the novels I read have basic city structures and all that living just fine. Or the off shoot stories of say The Exodites and settling new home worlds or something. I've read a few novel starts were its the base of an imperial city and its normal and then war breaks out. Sure the arrogance is really astounding with the war structures but I don't really agree with that thought vs normal civility among populous sections of the races.

Could you imagine a novel as bland as it might be for some people just based off a normal joe inquisitor taking up position in an imperial city and all he does is some detective novel ideal to find some corrupt chaos seed or something. I got that impression with this idea threw Deus Encarmine the start of it kind of rides with that thinking with the start of Inquisitor Remius Stele course with his plot line a bit different. I guess in the end the premiss is war in the universe of fluff so there arrogance is more astounding. Then again you have to think if your near 100-150 years old(or more...) I think you would be a bit irritated about fighting the same enemy for so long or changing to see enemies of old. So I don't know I agree with the arrogant statement but mostly just on the warpath.

-Sincerely Viri

All of the races in 40k are arrogant. Every race has a reason to be arrogant. Lots of them.

The Imperium is definitely not arrogant. They are just xenophobic. They are attacked from all sides by aliens and being corrupted from within by alien races from another dimension. Before the Emperor and his Crusade came along, many planets of man were enslaved by alien races. It was the Imperium that rescued them, and it is the Imperium at this moment that is fighting a desperate war to defend themselves from having the same thing happen to their worlds again...or even worst, annihilation.

The Eldar however seem to be arrogant just because they know they're superior to man. They also go out of their way to treat us with contempt. God do I hate those arrogant space elves

The Imperium is totally arrogant. They believe that not only are they the only species with a right to exist and dominate the galaxy, but that they are capable of doing so. They have a total lack of fear (or common sense) born out of arrogance.

Wasn't Yarricks baneblade or something named Fortress of Arrogance? Then there is the Armour of Contempt. Yep arrogant, sure as sure.

Wardragoon wrote:Orks arent any of the above, they fight for the hell of it, and as long as they fight they dont care about anything else

That's certainly not true, Orks care about their status in whatever passes for their society quite a bit. Warbosses and Nobz love to lord their superiority over the lesser Orks.

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

...Or one eldar.

As the eldar ambassador to the human race, I would like to argue the Eldar's case. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

Eldar Own wrote:. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

Necrons disagree with that statement

Omegus wrote:

Wardragoon wrote:Orks arent any of the above, they fight for the hell of it, and as long as they fight they dont care about anything else

That's certainly not true, Orks care about their status in whatever passes for their society quite a bit. Warbosses and Nobz love to lord their superiority over the lesser Orks.

And one improves their status by... FIGHTING!!! That is the ork theme. Krump anyone that gets in your way. Respect the bigger ork that can krump you.

Eldar Own wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

...Or one eldar.

As the eldar ambassador to the human race, I would like to argue the Eldar's case. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

Sarcasim warning!!!

O, eldar are the best and masters of the universe.


Lets see,

Created one of the 4 chaos gods, check.

Created the Eye of Terror, check.

Killed most of the Sapient races in the galaxy at the same time, check.

on the verge of extinction, check.

Craftworld inhabited by said masters of the universe, who are supposedly awsome psykers to boot, was eaten by 1 tyranid, check.



Hmmmm, we got some real winners here

i dont like eldar, they are like the people that DOOMFART and then wave the fart in your direction, or walk up to you while you are playing xbox and fart in your face...Slaanesh likes them/wants to eat their souls

dajobe wrote:i dont like eldar, they are like the people that DOOMFART and then wave the fart in your direction, or walk up to you while you are playing xbox and fart in your face...Slaanesh likes them/wants to eat their souls

.....I have never done that!!

All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Some Orks are arrogant, even if it's in an Orky kind of way. Ghazghkull Thraka is one:

"I'm da hand of Gork and Mork, dey sent me to rouse up da boyz to crush and kill ‘cos da boyz forgot what dere ‘ere for. I woz one of da boyz till da godz smashed me in da ‘ead an’ I ‘membered dat Orks is meant to conquer and make slaves of everyfing they don’t kill.

I’m da profit of da Waaagh an’ whole worlds burn in my boot prints. On Armour-Geddem, I led da boyz through da fire deserts and smashed da humies’ metal cities to scrap. I fought Yarik, old one-eye at Tarturus, an’ he fought good but we smashed iz city too.

I’m death to anyfing dat walks or crawls, where I go nothin’ stands in my way. We crushed da stunties on Golgotha, an’ we caught old one-eye when da speed freeks blew da humies’ big tanks ta bits. I let ‘im go ‘cause good enemies iz ‘ard to find, an Orks need enemies ta fight like they need meat ta eat an’ grog ta drink.

I iz more cunnin’ than a grot an’ more killy than a dread, da boyz dat follow me can’t be beat. On Pissenah we jumped da marine-boyz an’ our bosspoles was covered in da helmets we took from da dead ‘uns. We burned dere port an’ killed dere bosses an’ left nothin’ but ruins behind. I’m Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka an’ I speak wiv da word of da gods. We iz gonna stomp da ‘ooniverse flat an’ kill anyfing that fights back. We iz gonna do this coz’ we’re Orks an’ we was made ta fight an’ win!"

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

To be fair pretty much everyone else (well maybe not Tau) would do the same given opportunity

No, the Imperium doesn't destroy planets if they don't have to. they would much rather expend the energy to reclaim and settle the planet then burn it to ash.

I admit Eldar are extremely arrogant, however I disagree with a number of the posts dissing them above.

Eldar created Slannesh in large part yes, but Humans certainly helped, along with creating the other chaos gods.

If the Human race were on the verge of extinction do you think we would just cooly submit to the domination of say Barbaric Apes? If not then you understand why Eldar wouldn't submit to an inferior species either.

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Eldar are arrogant, but you can't call them idiots because they don't lay down and die. So what if they are on the verge of extinction anyone would keep on fighting instead of laying down to die

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

No one ever did anything by giving up...

Nicholas wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Eldar are arrogant, but you can't call them idiots because they don't lay down and die. So what if they are on the verge of extinction anyone would keep on fighting instead of laying down to die

They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:

-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.
-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).
-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

Like I said: Idiots...

Brother Coa wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Eldar are arrogant, but you can't call them idiots because they don't lay down and die. So what if they are on the verge of extinction anyone would keep on fighting instead of laying down to die

They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:

-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.
-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).
-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

Like I said: Idiots...

Second two are pretty true, but where do you want them to retreat to. There is honestly no place safer than a craftworld for the eldar to live on. Going anywhere else would abandon all their technology and defenses including infinity circuit, and leave them open to attack from any other race out there. There are no safe planets where nobody is allowed to kill you, this is grimdark.

Nicholas wrote:
Second two are pretty true, but where do you want them to retreat to. There is honestly no place safer than a craftworld for the eldar to live on. Going anywhere else would abandon all their technology and defenses including infinity circuit, and leave them open to attack from any other race out there. There are no safe planets where nobody is allowed to kill you, this is grimdark.

? ? Maiden worlds ? ?

As I understand it ( from thread I posted ) Maiden worlds are around the galaxy ( near the edge ). So except Ork attacks they are pretty safe.
And they can take all their tech with them and rebuild.

But this is grimdark and they all have to die...

Out of interest:
When did this infiltration of the Alpha Legion begin?
Looking at Alpharius ( who is omegon? ) and purplefood ( who is alpharius? ) mirroring alpharius avatar and signature.



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Arrogance is a feature of elves, and elfs in space are still that...
But certainly no one is free of this, just some have it "inbuilt" whilst others have the usual amount of .

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

The Eldar have no choice to fight. They do see themselves as superior however not all craftworlds are outright racist towards humans, craftworlds such as Ulthwé work with humans because they understand that them alone can't defeat chaos.

The Tau are less arrogant, more ignorant. They don't yet understand the strength of the other races, especially the power of chaos. But ignorance is bliss, so just humour their big plans for now.

These are not the Alpha legions you're looking for, please continue on topic.

1hadhq wrote:




Out of interest:
When did this infiltration of the Alpha Legion begin?
Looking at Alpharius ( who is omegon? ) and purplefood ( who is alpharius? ) mirroring alpharius avatar and signature.



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Arrogance is a feature of elves, and elfs in space are still that...
But certainly no one is free of this, just some have it "inbuilt" whilst others have the usual amount of .

You are mistaken 1hadhq, Alpharius died in battle with the ultramarines so he couldn't possibly be any of us.

Indeed 1hadhq, i have no idea what you are on about...

Brother Coa wrote:

Nicholas wrote:
Second two are pretty true, but where do you want them to retreat to. There is honestly no place safer than a craftworld for the eldar to live on. Going anywhere else would abandon all their technology and defenses including infinity circuit, and leave them open to attack from any other race out there. There are no safe planets where nobody is allowed to kill you, this is grimdark.

? ? Maiden worlds ? ?

As I understand it ( from thread I posted ) Maiden worlds are around the galaxy ( near the edge ). So except Ork attacks they are pretty safe.
And they can take all their tech with them and rebuild.

But this is grimdark and they all have to die...

I still don't see how they are safer than craftworlds. Not only would be leaving the craftworld a huge loss, but the maiden worlds are definately less defended than craftworlds. The effort it would take to move the tech and infinity circuit to a maiden world wouldn't be worth it. My understanding is that craftworlds are much larger anyway, less likely to be attacked, and much better off if they are attacked. Plus the maiden worlds they aren't already on would have to be reconquered, and making new ones is slow if not lost to them after the fall.

purplefood wrote:Indeed 1hadhq, i have no idea what you are on about...

Right.

I mean, you've read LEGION, right?

You, me, them...we all get to say...

I am Alpharius.

On topic:

In the 40K Galaxy, peace really is not an option, and a Righteous Cause is the best armor!

1hadhq wrote:




Out of interest:
When did this infiltration of the Alpha Legion begin?
Looking at Alpharius ( who is omegon? ) and purplefood ( who is alpharius? ) mirroring alpharius avatar and signature.



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Arrogance is a feature of elves, and elfs in space are still that...
But certainly no one is free of this, just some have it "inbuilt" whilst others have the usual amount of .

I, Alpharius, am completely sure I have no idea what you are talking about.

I need to read legion...

No the best armour is any that gives a 2+/2++, lol

Sneaky thread. And that is why the Alpha Legion is the best, the EC,WE,BL can't handle this amount of tactics.

Then again, why do elves in most fantasy realms appear arrogant?

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

@Omegus: They can also have multiple partners contribute, due to requiring multiple "visits".

CrazyThang wrote:@Omegus: They can also have multiple partners contribute, due to requiring multiple "visits".

What my brethren said....

Somehow...


I KNEW this would devolve into another Eldar reproduction thread

lol, its the eldar, what else is there to talk about them?

besides the crochet and tea clubs, not much.

Brother Coa wrote:Maiden worlds are around the galaxy

How is a planet safer than a space ship that can fly away from trouble?

Omegus wrote:
Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

At least my option is giving them a way to survive as a race...

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

They are jealous at Humans because they were upstarts in their time and now they rule the galaxy.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

You don't see that as fail?
British Empire lasted for more than 300 years only to be disbanded in less than 30. I call that fail
France was once a major military force, yet since Napoleon they look like they totally forgotten how to fight ( France-Prussian War, they won the WWI but barely and with great cost, WW II, then their empire came crushing down, not to mention scenes from North Africa and Vietnam. )
USA fought for years in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq lost thousand of solders for what in the end?
USSR couldn't beat Talibans and soon after that came crushing down with their economy non existing.
Yugoslavia has building peace between nations and blocks and teach about friendship and unity only to break in the bloodiest civil war the Europe has seen.

I call that fails. And creating a Chaos god, not being able to see reason and try to survive, losing 90% of their population and their entire empire is big time fail...






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DarknessEternal wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Maiden worlds are around the galaxy

How is a planet safer than a space ship that can fly away from trouble?

Planet have a lot of resources and it is especially save when none lives around you and none knows about her...
Planet is safer because of her's stealth. If none knows where you are then it is safe. Ships can run, but where? Usually it means running from smaller problem to big one.

The similar comparison would be some backwater island or ship at sea?


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Grey Templar wrote:Somehow...


I KNEW this would devolve into another Eldar reproduction thread

The funny thing is that this is tread about all races arrogance and we talk only about Eldar...

Brother Coa wrote:

Omegus wrote:
Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

At least my option is giving them a way to survive as a race...

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

They are jealous at Humans because they were upstarts in their time and now they rule the galaxy.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

You don't see that as fail?
British Empire lasted for more than 300 years only to be disbanded in less than 30. I call that fail
France was once a major military force, yet since Napoleon they look like they totally forgotten how to fight ( France-Prussian War, they won the WWI but barely and with great cost, WW II, then their empire came crushing down, not to mention scenes from North Africa and Vietnam. )
USA fought for years in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq lost thousand of solders for what in the end?
USSR couldn't beat Talibans and soon after that came crushing down with their economy non existing.
Yugoslavia has building peace between nations and blocks and teach about friendship and unity only to break in the bloodiest civil war the Europe has seen.

I call that fails. And creating a Chaos god, not being able to see reason and try to survive, losing 90% of their population and their entire empire is big time fail...






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DarknessEternal wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:Maiden worlds are around the galaxy

How is a planet safer than a space ship that can fly away from trouble?

Planet have a lot of resources and it is especially save when none lives around you and none knows about her...
Planet is safer because of her's stealth. If none knows where you are then it is safe. Ships can run, but where? Usually it means running from smaller problem to big one.

The similar comparison would be some backwater island or ship at sea?


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Grey Templar wrote:Somehow...


I KNEW this would devolve into another Eldar reproduction thread

The funny thing is that this is tread about all races arrogance and we talk only about Eldar...

I honestly fail to see your point, at all.

On to your other (auto appended) post...

Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.


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CrazyThang wrote:
Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

I was trying to implement that if this was the case than every race out there would live on ships or giant cities in space.
And my point is that none, not even Chaos, don't know where lost Eldar colonies are. And if none can find you - none can hurt you.
The poin was that the Eldar refuse this not because of safety, but because they must "continue the fight at all cost".
In short - die fighting.

Brother Coa wrote:@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.

Right, that clears everything right up, then. (/sarcasm, BUT I will re-read your post :b )


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CrazyThang wrote:
Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

I was trying to implement that if this was the case than every race out there would live on ships or giant cities in space.
And my point is that none, not even Chaos, don't know where lost Eldar colonies are. And if none can find you - none can hurt you.
The poin was that the Eldar refuse this not because of safety, but because they must "continue the fight at all cost".
In short - die fighting.

No one knows where craftworlds are either.

To add something further. As has been stated, the exodites are trying to survive and "rebuild". Biel-Tan wants to rebuild the Eldar empire back to it's former glory as well.

There can be only war. If they were friendly and neighborly, than there might might be some peace... Outrageous!

Eldar will not go to war to save one Eldar life if it means the likely casualty of several. Eldar consider themselves equal, there is only the Exarchs whom are lesser than the others, and even they are respected and revered for what they do. Eldar might go to war over an individual if it means a likely beneficial outcome for the Eldar race as a greater being in the future, and that single individual do not even have to be Eldar, they may even go to war to protect a human if it means that human will shape the future such that a threat to the Craftworld is diminished, or that a human world is cleansed of the taint of chaos.
Eldar are nothing but pragmatic.

Brother Coa wrote:All races are somewhat arrogant. But Eldar and Tau are the biggest idiots of all races.

( Eldar who are on the verge of extinction and still they fight the losing battles. And Tau who thinks that they can conquer the entire galaxy while they can't even get out from their backyard. )

Spoken like a human of the 41st millenia.

Eldar are diviners, they know the possible futures. There's a reason why they keep fighting.

As a side note, Eldar consider that it was their arrogance and ignorance which created Slaanesh.

Eldar are largely justified in their actions to preserve themselves, largely because they, of course, would favour their own race over any other. Easpically since most races are openly hostile to members of other races.

Tau, Orcs, Necrons and Trynards are the least arrogent by their nature, and largely most of those because they either lack the capability for it, have no use in being overly arrogent (Necrons, Orcs and Tyards will just destory anything.). Tau are the only race approching reasonable, and even then given their next codex and they will simply be a newer imperium of mankind, and already have a convert or fight policy.

Of course, since the univerce is full of stagment momocultures, it's only fair that Eldar die a incredably slow time, even though logally mating more would solve that problem. XD

Brother Coa wrote:
You don't see that as fail?
British Empire lasted for more than 300 years only to be disbanded in less than 30. I call that fail
France was once a major military force, yet since Napoleon they look like they totally forgotten how to fight ( France-Prussian War, they won the WWI but barely and with great cost, WW II, then their empire came crushing down, not to mention scenes from North Africa and Vietnam. )
USA fought for years in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq lost thousand of solders for what in the end?
USSR couldn't beat Talibans and soon after that came crushing down with their economy non existing.
Yugoslavia has building peace between nations and blocks and teach about friendship and unity only to break in the bloodiest civil war the Europe has seen.

I call that fails. And creating a Chaos god, not being able to see reason and try to survive, losing 90% of their population and their entire empire is big time fail...

The only fail here is my failure to see your point. By that standard, the Imperium is full of fail too. They barely managed to spread across the galaxy when half of them went rogue and killed their big bad awesome Emperor. You may see partying so hard that it destroys a chunk of the universe as a fail, I see it as an accomplishment (and perhaps the plot of Hangover 3?). And you keep ignoring the fact that Craftworld Eldar are a minority, while there are plenty of Eldar (of the Dark and Exodite varieties) who not only survive, but are prospering and flourishing.

forruner_mercy wrote:So, I, like many other people, have noticed how freaking arrogant the races are in the 40K universe. There is the Space Marines, believing that they are total badasses, which is really not far from the fact. But they come of as quite arrogant. The Tau have their whole "Greater Good" thing, which seem fairly arrogant to me. The Eldar seem like the most arrogant by far. This is extremely noticeable in Dawn of War 2: Retribution. They frequently say things about all of the races involved, especially the Humans.
For instance, there is a point where when either the Ranger hero or the Warlock hero is talking about a Traitor Guard transmission, and he says that "Human communication's is not far removed from shouting." This came of as quite arrogant to me.

So what are your thoughts? I could be wrong on a lot of this, but I would like to know what you guys think.

Warlock when fighting humans: 'ARROGANT MAMMALS!'

Eldar are a superior race to humans. Its a fact based on gw fluff.

I can't believe there has only been 1 entry on Necrons. And Necrons are superior to Eldar. Necrons (or at least the Necrontyr) are older than Eldar. Necrons almost shut off the warp forever. I'm not sure if Necrons would be classified as arrogant, they just want to feed. The C'tan, sure, but the race as a whole I don't think so.

Omegus wrote:
The only fail here is my failure to see your point. By that standard, the Imperium is full of fail too. They barely managed to spread across the galaxy when half of them went rogue and killed their big bad awesome Emperor. You may see partying so hard that it destroys a chunk of the universe as a fail, I see it as an accomplishment (and perhaps the plot of Hangover 3?). And you keep ignoring the fact that Craftworld Eldar are a minority, while there are plenty of Eldar (of the Dark and Exodite varieties) who not only survive, but are prospering and flourishing.

Imperium is also full of fail to, but Eldar are still s*** full of fails

Brother Coa wrote:@CrazyThang Short version: Eldar are idiots.


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CrazyThang wrote:
Planets can be constantly assaulted. Ships can escape into the warp or simply run (in a scale as large as space, running can work, very easily). Eldar ships can use the webway.

I was trying to implement that if this was the case than every race out there would live on ships or giant cities in space.
And my point is that none, not even Chaos, don't know where lost Eldar colonies are. And if none can find you - none can hurt you.
The poin was that the Eldar refuse this not because of safety, but because they must "continue the fight at all cost".
In short - die fighting.

If I'm not mistaken half the Maiden Worlds were lost in the fall and colonized by humans, so obviously people know where they are or can find them. Craftworlds hardly ever have to run anyway they have enough defenses to hold off almost all fleets. Craftworld hardly need resources as they can take power from stars and pick up food from the exodites

I will just state a fact, Eldar can divine the many futures and so the reason that they will continue to fight is that they see one or more futures where the Eldar empire of old will be rebuilt. If Mankind was on the verge of extinction but they knew that ther was one possibility that they can survive, would they just give up or would they fight for that glimmer of hope? All sentient beings in 40k (Minus some minor races perhaps) have a will to survive rather than simply giving up.

Oriallis wrote:I will just state a fact, Eldar can divine the many futures and so the reason that they will continue to fight is that they see one or more futures where the Eldar empire of old will be rebuilt. If Mankind was on the verge of extinction but they knew that ther was one possibility that they can survive, would they just give up or would they fight for that glimmer of hope? All sentient beings in 40k (Minus some minor races perhaps) have a will to survive rather than simply giving up.

Well... small, but important, thing I wish to add here: when an Eldar craftworld falls, or when an Exodite world falls, the Eldar souls interred within the infinity circuit fall prey to She Who Thirsts. This fate is... less than desirable... Now, if you pick up the 4th edition codex and read about Eldrad, you get the hint that during Rana Dhandra, the Eldar will combine their infinity circuits to form Ynnead, thus saving their souls from predation.
It may very well be that the Eldar keep struggling in order to save their souls more than anything. Most Eldar craftworlds consider the re-builders that are Biel-Tan just slightly crazy.

Conservationist wrote:Sneaky thread. And that is why the Alpha Legion is the best, the EC,WE,BL can't handle this amount of tactics.

Then again, why do elves in most fantasy realms appear arrogant?

Because frequently elves are somewhat fairyish, and fairies are arrogan.t

Well I dare say that IoM is pretty much the Imperium Of fails, but event ehy did not create a new chaos god, And well Tau...... is just drooling around, I would love to see a Nid fleet munch those smurfs

Omegus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Trondheim wrote:Well I dare say that IoM is pretty much the Imperium Of fails, but event ehy did not create a new chaos god, And well Tau...... is just drooling around, I would love to see a Nid fleet munch those smurfs

But...wait...the only group that fails less then the IoM is the Tau(and the tau just dont matter) and the Necrons, Nids get butchered by the Ultramarines like they are children, Abaddon....well he doesnt really need saying, Eldar managed to kill off most of their race, and the biggest Waagh can't even take one planet.

The Necrontyr, fresh faced new explorers at the dawn of the galaxy's birth, finally made their way to the stars and encountered other intelligent life.

Their first thought was "This will have to go."

DarknessEternal wrote:The Necrontyr, fresh faced new explorers at the dawn of the galaxy's birth, finally made their way to the stars and encountered other intelligent life.

Their first thought was "This will have to go."

This really made me LOL. And based on what I know, very true.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Dark Eldar codex 5E disagrees with you

Polvilhovoador wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

Omegus wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:They are not idiots because of that. They are idiots because:
-They are not trying to save their race, but they keep fighting instead of retreating to Maiden worlds and repopulate.

Well, their lifestyle puts a big damper on their emotions, so understandably they find it difficult to get in the mood *winkwinknudgenudge*. They are basically ascetic monks. Plus, isn't the gestational period of Eldar several years?

And anyway, the culture of the pre-Fall Eldar more or less survives among the Dark Eldar, who are far from near extinction. There are craploads of the buggers in the Webway. And the Exodites are doing precisely what you suggest, hanging out on Maiden worlds, growing hydroponic weed and hooking up.

-Because they won't help the Imperium when that would be even in their benefit ( DoW II original campaign ).

They have plenty of reasons not to trust the Imperials.

-Because they think that they are "the perfect race", yet they failed worse than any other.

They kind of are a perfect race. I mean, who else but the Orks can claim that the intensity of their emotions and experience created a brand new warp deity? I don't really see the Fall as a failure, just an unforeseen consequence (that is hinted will eventually overtake humanity as well). And again, we have the Dark Eldar and Exodites carrying the torch. The Craftworld Eldar were always the minority.

Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Dark Eldar codex 5E disagrees with you

Probably. I have never read the DE codex. I had always been under the impression that there is not many Eldar left, and even less Dark Eldar left. Could you help me by filling in some details?

forruner_mercy wrote:
Probably. I have never read the DE codex. I had always been under the impression that there is not many Eldar left, and even less Dark Eldar left. Could you help me by filling in some details?

There aren't many Eldar left. There are grillions of Dark Eldar left. Mostly because they're, for all intents and purposes, unkillable. They regenerated one from just his hand.

Really, given the nature of the the opposing factions it's no wonder everyone's so arrogant. Everyone else is going to be a dick and try to kill you anyway, so you might as well be full of yourself, becuase it's not like being nice and humble will improve your relationship with anyone else. It's like HATERS GONNA HATE, except it's more along the lines of HATERS GONNA KILL AND VIOLATE YOU.

Omegus wrote:
You may see partying so hard that it destroys a chunk of the universe as a fail, I see it as an accomplishment (and perhaps the plot of Hangover 3?).

Sigged.

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:And how the eldar would doom a human solar system to save like, one eldar ship

Wouldn't you forefit an Eldar craftworld to save a human ship? I would likely have no problem working with Tau or Eldar (or many other alien races in 40k), but I'd certainly put a generic human life over a generic alien life. Survival of the species and all (nothing to do with arrogance really).

forruner_mercy wrote:
Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Someone hasn't read the 5th edition codex...

"Commoragh is no mere metropolis, for it is to the largest of Imperial Hives as a soaring mountain is to a mound of termites. Thousands of ships dock each day within its outflung spines, for the Dark Eldar are far more numerous than even their Craftworld kin suspect."

That's just one example. There are lots and lots and lots of Dark Eldar. The "almost extinct psychopathic raiders" fluff has been ret-conned. The Dark Eldar are now a flourishing society of Space Vampires.

Well, flourishing society of psychopath space vampires, at least. They are in the very firm grips of metaphorical Khaine, fully exposed to the darkness that exist within every Eldar soul.

no one said it was a healthy society

The Dark Eldar won't go extinct unless there is a breech in the Webway and Deamons come pouring into their city. then they are royally

Grey Templar wrote:no one said it was a healthy society

The Dark Eldar won't go extinct unless there is a breech in the Webway and Deamons come pouring into their city. then they are royally

Which might happen if Ward writes a future codex for them or the Daemons.

EDIT: For spelling.

Omegus wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:
Except the Dark Eldar are psychopaths. And they are also close to extinction, as there is even less Dark Eldar then regular Eldar.

Someone hasn't read the 5th edition codex...

"Commoragh is no mere metropolis, for it is to the largest of Imperial Hives as a soaring mountain is to a mound of termites. Thousands of ships dock each day within its outflung spines, for the Dark Eldar are far more numerous than even their Craftworld kin suspect."

That's just one example. There are lots and lots and lots of Dark Eldar. The "almost extinct psychopathic raiders" fluff has been ret-conned. The Dark Eldar are now a flourishing society of Space Vampires.

That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

DAaddict wrote:
That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

They have no worry about casualties because they can be regenerated from nearly any wound, even such things as only a recovered body part.

DarknessEternal wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

They have no worry about casualties because they can be regenerated from nearly any wound, even such things as only a recovered body part.

Impressive.

Eldar Own wrote:...Or one eldar.

As the eldar ambassador to the human race, I would like to argue the Eldar's case. Bascially the Eldar believe that they are, by far, the most sophisticated and technologically advanced race in the 40K universe. And to be fair to them, they are. So it's naturally that they view all other races as vastly inferior.

The Necrons would probably disagree with that assessment, what with possessing superior technology, and having already rendered the Eldar cattle once before.

DarknessEternal wrote:The Necrontyr, fresh faced new explorers at the dawn of the galaxy's birth, finally made their way to the stars and encountered other intelligent life.

Their first thought was "This will have to go."

Hahahaha, nice.

I am surprised no one has mentioned the C'tan, who think that basically making the galaxy into their fast-food restaurant is perfectly acceptable. But then, when you're a C'tan who can tell physics to sit down and shut up, incapable of truly dying, and capable of making entire solar systems disappear, perhaps a little arrogance is justified.

The Eldar are arrogant, yeah, but so is the Imperium. The Tau are less arrogant, but really, Dark Eldar are so arrogant it's stupid. Their unwarranted self-importance is particularly notable in the setting, being only capable of launching pirate fleets, mostly against defenseless populations. There are some who are legitimately brilliant, like Vect, or Lady Malys, but most are smug, and without any real justification for it.

Void__Dragon wrote:Dark Eldar are so arrogant it's stupid. Their unwarranted self-importance is particularly notable in the setting, being only capable of launching pirate fleets, mostly against defenseless populations.

They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Tau are just as arrogant as any other race, for mostly the same reason. They believe their way of life is the only good way of living.

Nicholas wrote:Tau are just as arrogant as any other race, for mostly the same reason. They believe their way of life is the only good way of living.

Yep. Their whole "Greater Good" thing.

forruner_mercy wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:

DAaddict wrote:
That explains why they insist on paper airplanes for armor. Speed and killiness beat survival everytime. Now I am starting to view the DE as the equivalent of el-Quaida. No remorse, no worries about casualties. Just terror and mayhem.

They have no worry about casualties because they can be regenerated from nearly any wound, even such things as only a recovered body part.

Impressive.

you have to be wealthy to get such treatment from a Homunculus. only the affluent or those who have the Homie in their debt will get regenerated like this.

others will die indeed.

Arrogance is earned when you butcher your foes, and they all can do it with gusto!

DarknessEternal wrote:They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Not really.

For one thing, one of the main strengths of the Dark Eldar is their ability to regenerate from body parts after death. Prolonged war denies this advantage, because battles can rage for days, wars can range for years at a time in 40k, and the dead Dark Eldar needs to have a piece of their body taken to the Haemonculus within about a day of their death. So in all-out war, they would lose that advantage.

And beyond that, it is largely the wealthy and renowned Dark Eldar who get that asset, so not all can regen.

Then of course, numbers. While probably outnumbering the Tau and the Eldar, every other faction outnumbers them considerably, and in cases like Necrons, that is a bad thing when elf-to-bot, Necrons are generally superior.

Oh, and their wargear is not suited for all out war, it is suited for pirate raids, in that it is light, but paper thin, so that they can strike, pick up slaves, then leave. They are basically an army focused entirely on short skirmishes.

But whatever.

and they don't really want to take territory.

they just want slaves and booty to fuel their society and way of life. they are completely focused on staving off Slannesh and the system has worked for a long time. its not going to be changed.

Void__Dragon wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Not really.

You do realize that they guy I was disagreeing with said they could only attack defenseless populations right?

DarknessEternal wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:They're more than capable of exceeding that, they just don't care to. They're home is unassailable. They only need to come out for slave raids, so that's all they come out for.

Not really.

You do realize that they guy I was disagreeing with said they could only attack defenseless populations right?

You do realise I was that guy right?

Though that is not what I said, I said mostly, and that is generally true, Dark Eldar are not known for playing "fair," other than the need to populate the Arenas with tough guise, they tend to go for easier prey.

I think Dark Eldar are such a prolific race due to hedonistic lifestyles.

Eldar gestation periods are apparently extraordinarily long, most Dark Eldar are not born naturally.

not really,

Dark Eldar born the natural way are pretty rare. most are test tube babies.

being born naturally is a status symbol in the Dark City normally reserved for the rich.


it has to do with the method of reproduction(o great, here we go again ) requiring multiple visits to concieve, assumedly with some sort of timing thing going on. its hard work.

Grey Templar wrote:not really,

Dark Eldar born the natural way are pretty rare. most are test tube babies.

being born naturally is a status symbol in the Dark City normally reserved for the rich.


it has to do with the method of reproduction(o great, here we go again ) requiring multiple visits to concieve, assumedly with some sort of timing thing going on. its hard work.

The orks are the simplest. They release spores.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:not really,

Dark Eldar born the natural way are pretty rare. most are test tube babies.

being born naturally is a status symbol in the Dark City normally reserved for the rich.


it has to do with the method of reproduction(o great, here we go again ) requiring multiple visits to concieve, assumedly with some sort of timing thing going on. its hard work.

The orks are the simplest. They release spores.

Nah, tyranids, they just get spit out like phlem.

The Imperium, Chaos and Eldar(Including DEldar) are extremely arrogant. Necrons and Tyranids.. Not so much. Some orks are too.

Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Slightly OT:
I love it how Eldar are considered the evil (arrogant in this thread) because they would sacrifice any numbers of other species to save one of their kind as opposed to IoM sacrificing almost any number of disposable humans to kill Xenos even if at the moment they are not hostile.
They are the most arrogant of all the races but that is not why. And this logic always make me chuckle.

Back on topic:
Of course everybody is either super extremely arrogant or calculating stone cold killers . Who would play some scared, pansy ass race that just wants to live peacefully and prosper due to long and honoured treaties with everybody

Macok wrote:Slightly OT:
I love it how Eldar are considered the evil (arrogant in this thread) because they would sacrifice any numbers of other species to save one of their kind as opposed to IoM sacrificing almost any number of disposable humans to kill Xenos even if at the moment they are not hostile.
They are the most arrogant of all the races but that is not why. And this logic always make me chuckle.

Back on topic:
Of course everybody is either super extremely arrogant or calculating stone cold killers . Who would play some scared, pansy ass race that just wants to live peacefully and prosper due to long and honoured treaties with everybody

Tau players!!! jk, i like my tau(not as much as my IG, or SM though)

The tau are great at arrogance especially when viewing the kroot both in game and fluff.

Be our friend and you too can be considered expendable.
Will we arm and armor you the equivalent of our fire warriors. Sorry that doesn't serve the greater good. Go out with your archaic flintlocks and daggers and perhaps we will give you some football shoulder pads then bubble wrap our important broadsides and other greater good elements (read tau manned).

Unfortunately, that argument can't be applied. Kroot choose to use their own equipment. They feel that is serves them as a species better if they avoid high technology.

Plus, i think tau prefer diplomacy more than many of the other races in the galaxy, i do realise that they do know how to fight(hence they have an army), i was just saying that they like dipomacy more than the other races.

I still say Eldar are the most arrogant...I read books about them and whenever they say something, my mind goes "So, you think you're better than me eh?" I mean, whenever you read the books, or play the DoW games, everything they say just implies that all other races are simple-minded or don't know whats coming for them. When the truth is that most of the time, when they make a judgement, the true outcome isn't always as they predicted for themselves.

My opinion is that they have no right to be arrogant, they may have once been a great galactic empire, but now, other factions in the universe are equally if not more stronger than them. At least respect them for it. I mean, at the least, other races can put up a fight if the Eldar deem its necessary for an entire planet to die so they can preserve some ruins they haven't used in over twenty thousand years.

LumenPraebeo wrote:I still say Eldar are the most arrogant.. I mean, whenever you read the books, or play the DoW games, everything they say just implies that all other races are simple-minded or don't know whats coming for them.

They were the biggest and best, and then they failed. So, they do know what's best, or at least what not to do.

DarknessEternal wrote:They were the biggest and best, and then they failed. So, they do know what's best, or at least what not to do.

Which does not mean that other races don't know how to do things their own way and still turn out okay

DarknessEternal wrote:

LumenPraebeo wrote:I still say Eldar are the most arrogant.. I mean, whenever you read the books, or play the DoW games, everything they say just implies that all other races are simple-minded or don't know whats coming for them.

They were the biggest and best, and then they failed. So, they do know what's best, or at least what not to do.

In my OP, I was just talking about how they came off as arrogant to me when they talked. I don't really know anything about their fluff. But what you said does not give them the right to be so arrogant.

But hey, this is grimdark 40K we're talking about here

Ultramarinescout wrote:Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Arguably the Tyranid is the most arrogant of the known species. It doesn't even acknowledge that another species might be sapient.

But all of the species of 40K are basically evil demented gits. Eldar will screw everyone to any extreme for any kind of advantage, real or imaginary. Humans & Necrons believe that by divine right, it is their destiny to destroy all intelligent life but their own. Dark Eldar, Orks & Tau wants to enslave everyone. And Chaos wants to warp everyone.

Simsum wrote:

Ultramarinescout wrote:Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Arguably the Tyranid is the most arrogant of the known species. It doesn't even acknowledge that another species might be sapient.

But all of the species of 40K are basically evil demented gits. Eldar will screw everyone to any extreme for any kind of advantage, real or imaginary. Humans & Necrons believe that by divine right, it is their destiny to destroy all intelligent life but their own. Dark Eldar, Orks & Tau wants to enslave everyone. And Chaos wants to warp everyone.

For arrogance you need intelligence and Tyranids are just stupid bugs. Hive Mind included...

Brother Coa wrote:For arrogance you need intelligence and Tyranids are just stupid bugs. Hive Mind included...

Uh, no, the Tyranids as a faction, aka the Hive Mind, is constantly noted to be far more intelligent than their appearance would suggest.

And hell, every Hive Tyrant has a unique consciousness, the Swarmlord in particular being extraordinarily intelligent.

It is an alien intelligence, but still intelligent.

Necrons are arrogant in that they don't actually view their conflicts as a war, not even entertaining such a ridiculous notion that other sentient beings are worth warring with. To them it's farming.

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:For arrogance you need intelligence and Tyranids are just stupid bugs. Hive Mind included...

Uh, no, the Tyranids as a faction, aka the Hive Mind, is constantly noted to be far more intelligent than their appearance would suggest.

And hell, every Hive Tyrant has a unique consciousness, the Swarmlord in particular being extraordinarily intelligent.

It is an alien intelligence, but still intelligent.

Necrons are arrogant in that they don't actually view their conflicts as a war, not even entertaining such a ridiculous notion that other sentient beings are worth warring with. To them it's farming.

2 things:

-If Tyranids were smart they would step away from Milky way since they get but kicked 3 times already. But like every stupid animal they rush to their deaths...
-Necrons are are smart as is that robot the Americans used in Iraq. He killed people but only trough sheer will of his controllers... They have no will of their own what-so-ever so they can't be arrogant at all...

The tyranid fleets we've seen are probably just the forerunners for the main force, like the tips of fingers on a grasping hand.

The Necrons themselves might not be intelligant but the C'tan are, and they're the ones who are farming life.

Brother Coa wrote:2 things:

-If Tyranids were smart they would step away from Milky way since they get but kicked 3 times already. But like every stupid animal they rush to their deaths...
-Necrons are are smart as is that robot the Americans used in Iraq. He killed people but only trough sheer will of his controllers... They have no will of their own what-so-ever so they can't be arrogant at all...

Yeah no you're wrong on both counts.

Quite frankly, on the former, I will not bother to educate you on something so repeatedly emphasized in the fluff. The Tyranids have lost a few times, yes, but each time the Imperium suffered heavy losses, and the Tyranids have a LOT of reserves, perhaps even more than the Imperium. And no, only Behemoth blindly rushed in, which was the weakest Hive Fleet and just was meant to test the galaxy, and even then it took almost the entire Ultramarine chapter and all of their defenses to fight. Hell, most Synapse Creatures are also intelligent as well.

As for the Necrons, nope nope nope. Now, most Necron Warriors are mindless automotons, this is true. But Necron Immortals and Lords, owing to the fact that they tend to die less, and their repair systems are much more sophisticated. Flayed Ones are also intelligent, although insane.

Simsum wrote:

Ultramarinescout wrote:Every Race is arrogant in 40k with an exception of Tyranids.

Arguably the Tyranid is the most arrogant of the known species. It doesn't even acknowledge that another species might be sapient.

But all of the species of 40K are basically evil demented gits. Eldar will screw everyone to any extreme for any kind of advantage, real or imaginary. Humans & Necrons believe that by divine right, it is their destiny to destroy all intelligent life but their own. Dark Eldar, Orks & Tau wants to enslave everyone. And Chaos wants to warp everyone.

Orks enslaving people

Void__Dragon wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:2 things:

-If Tyranids were smart they would step away from Milky way since they get but kicked 3 times already. But like every stupid animal they rush to their deaths...
-Necrons are are smart as is that robot the Americans used in Iraq. He killed people but only trough sheer will of his controllers... They have no will of their own what-so-ever so they can't be arrogant at all...

Yeah no you're wrong on both counts.

Quite frankly, on the former, I will not bother to educate you on something so repeatedly emphasized in the fluff. The Tyranids have lost a few times, yes, but each time the Imperium suffered heavy losses, and the Tyranids have a LOT of reserves, perhaps even more than the Imperium. And no, only Behemoth blindly rushed in, which was the weakest Hive Fleet and just was meant to test the galaxy, and even then it took almost the entire Ultramarine chapter and all of their defenses to fight. Hell, most Synapse Creatures are also intelligent as well.

As for the Necrons, nope nope nope. Now, most Necron Warriors are mindless automotons, this is true. But Necron Immortals and Lords, owing to the fact that they tend to die less, and their repair systems are much more sophisticated. Flayed Ones are also intelligent, although insane.

Ok, this is going nowhere. So I will not continue, and I will say that you are right about some parts - but wrong at others. We simply don't know to much about the Tyranids to even assume they send Behemoth to"test" the galaxy. For all that we know - those 3 major Hive Fleets may be the entire Tyranid race... and those smaller that enter the galaxy just remnants of them... We won't know until next Tyranid codex comes out. And while Imperium and Eldar suffer Heavy losses they rebuild in short time ( 100 years for Ultra, Eldar are still rebuilding dough ).

And Necron Lords and Immortals represent those Controllers I mentioned earlier. While most of their race is brain-dead those few that remained sane are still servant's of the C'Tan. So even they don't have mind of their own ( but again who knows? Matt Ward has given them conciseness in Blood Angels Codex, maybe the new edition will represent them in a better light and maybe they will start thinking for themselves again ).

And my final word on the subject: Eldar and Humans are 2 most arrogant races in the galaxy. Humans because of the situation and Eldar because it is in their nature to put pride on top of survival...

I wouldn't say Eldar are arrogant..

Would you listen to the opinion of your 2 year old child in matters of war? To them, a human is no more than an upstart teen at best, with a limited understanding of ANYTHING. Humans are by Eldar standards, short lived, violent, stupid, little creatures that aren't worth a minute let alone years of time. Which makes sense, humans are dumb as hell in most cases, and we are violent too... I could easily see a race of brainiac super models thinking we are total fails.

The Eldar havn't admitted their ultimate failure. they constantly accuse mankind of, going to be, doing stupid things, they attempt to interfere and end up causing the bad things themselves and then they scream and whine at the "foolish humans" for messing everything up.


Their visions do little good for them most of the time. The bad stuff happens despite their attempts to stop it(assassinating Angron didn't work out too well) and they never think to blame themselves. heck, the only eldar i have seen take the blame for anything was the Farseer in Dark Crusade.


They would actually serve themselves best if they stopped trying to fix the future. They should all find a nice little cluster of worlds on the eastern fringe and settle down. make an impenetrable defense of these systems and rebuild their empire of old. Become introverts, let the galaxy do what it will and stop interfering. Who cares if Joe guardsmen has a kid who one day becomes a Colonel who, when fighting orks, orders a Basilisk barrrage which happens to land on a couple lost soulstones. Don't kill Joe, go pick up the damn soulstones if you do anything.

Oriallis wrote:The tyranid fleets we've seen are probably just the forerunners for the main force, like the tips of fingers on a grasping hand.

Codex Tyranids says Leviathan is the last of the Tyranids.


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Oriallis wrote:
The Necrons themselves might not be intelligant

And Necrons did not lose their intellect. They lost their individual personalities, and only most of them lost that.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Oriallis wrote:The tyranid fleets we've seen are probably just the forerunners for the main force, like the tips of fingers on a grasping hand.

Codex Tyranids says Leviathan is the last of the Tyranids.




iirc its the last of the individual tendrils, but there is that massive blob underneath the galactic plane