I see the krazy kids over at BoLS are mentioning everybody's favorite lost race, the Hrud.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/06/40k-rumors-what-tangled-web-we-weave.html

-Will probably be a white dwarf teaser list and then a full codex. Look out for hints in upcoming WD's

-The Umbra WILL be in the army

-There will be at least one vehicle described as a tunneler modified for war (tunneling rules a la trygon perhaps?)

-They have units named/such as Triads, Blades, Shamans, Paths

-They are described as a 'steamroller' type force withe tactic such as 'shoot retreat shoot , ambush'

-Background-wise they are described as an ancient race that are pissed because they lost their homeworld to slaanesh, the umbra are said to be fragments of their God (Q'ah) that was destroyed by Slaanesh. They hate Chaos with a passion.

Hmmm...

They're also saying that there's a high chance this is a false lead planted by someone to cause confusion.

A new race would be great, but I want to see the current 16 codicies supported more.

tetrisphreak wrote:They're also saying that there's a high chance this is a false lead planted by someone to cause confusion.

A new race would be great, but I want to see the current 16 codicies supported more.

Quoted for truth.

And Bell of Lost Souls themselves are saying that they don't really trust it:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/06/40k-rumors-what-tangled-web-we-weave.html

So my friends, so many possibilities with a perfect little gem of a 40K Rumor casestudy sitting in front of us like a Faberge Egg. Do you think we are seeing:



a) Solid rumor with a bit of counter intellegence to muddy the waters

b) Bunk being fed into the online community to lead people on

c) Trial balloons being floated by GW to solicit feedback

d) Shenanigans posted by 2 lonely college students who dont want to write papers...

Oooh double-ninja'd!

Yeah, at this point, if I'm looking for something different, I just grab a different mini line. Updates for my 4 preexisting are what I'm looking for.

A new race would be awesome but it sounds to good to be true ! and we are talking about GW here so while I wish this was the case I highly doubt it.

Paranoia_Agent wrote:A new race would be awesome but it sounds to good to be true ! and we are talking about GW here so while I wish this was the case I highly doubt it.

These days, it seems more likely that they will add a new race rather than update an old one. Sad, but true.

These days, it seems more likely that they will add a new race rather than update an old one. Sad, but true.

Enter... Ogre Kingdoms part 2!

Who are the 'normally reliable posters' the article mentions? Anyway know? I'd check my self, but my work-filter blocks Warseer.

It doesn't seem very likely. I think there is scope for a 'neutral' race, perhaps loosely based on the Squats (in that they're squat looking humanoids, but not beards or Celtic themed features), but with a taste for living underground and building massive machines. But they're be better off employing their limited resources to, say, do a complete rework of an existing race, as they did with the DE. The Necrons, for instance. With only a couple of existing plastic sets in the range, plus the badly dated Monolith, the potential is there for giving them the DE treatment.

The fragments of god thing sounds like the rumors about the C'Tan.

agnosto wrote:The fragments of god thing sounds like the rumors about the C'Tan.

Nah, that bit of fluff about godly fragments has been around for eons. Longer than the C'tan IIRC

It's just swampgas reflected off a weather balloon...

Think it's possible that it's both true and false -- the sketches and concepts may exist, but that doesn't mean the army is on the schedule. So I'm not gonna dismiss it, but I'm not gonna hold my breath either.

There's nothing wrong with these kinds of rumors, IMO. I consider it more of a long-range forecast with the accompanying larger margin for error.

Could be BoLS BS...

But hey, at least they posted it first!

There is no salt mountain large enough to feature in a picture here to illustrate my disbelief in this 'rumour'.


And yes, GW can't even maintain a solid turnover with their current codices. (and they're certainly not providing adequate cover with the army book releases so far for 8th WHFB). So perhaps getting their current house in order would seem more prudent than releasing yet another race.

Given no SoB codex and the stop-gap of a WD codex for them, I don't think they have the time or inclination.





Buuuut.... if they were to do a new codex, I'd be happy to see a non-marine one.

I'd love to see this, firstly one of the coolsest 40K raes, the Hrud is there (always great)

Secondly it's a non-marine codex, and in fact a non-human codex, I'm personally fed up with about half the forces being humans and three quaters of them being marines and I know almost everyone else probably is too

Thirdly it's a unique type of Xenos, ok at one point it was a little Skaveny but by the sound of it it'll be unique, no doubt the models will be gorgeous if the Hrud art is anything to go by, and their not just humanoid aliens like the Eldar, Tau and to an extent, Orcs

I'd love this and it is fitting in with GW's current policy of bringing back old races or races that have only been in the background, they brought back the Jokerao, in 40K and in Fantasy the Albion models and Lammaus/Greater Taurus as well as saying their doing Zoats and Fimir. And there are rumors of classic Necrons and Demiurg for the Tau

Alpharius wrote:Could be BoLS BS...

But hey, at least they posted it first!

There's a first time for everything.

I'm very skeptical, since GW has made it clear fairly recently that they weren't planning on adding any new races, and they probably have their hands full with 6th Edition as it is. Further, a poster on the BoLS forums claims that the rumors are completely fake and the result of an intentional plant, so I would take all this with a massive, massive grain of salt. I could MAYBE see Hrud being a unit in the new Codex: Tau Empire or something but I think it's very, very unlikely that they'll get a standalone Codex, especially in the near future.

Its wierd how they might make an army about a race who you almost never hear about in the fluff.

Begel Dverl wrote:Its wierd how they might make an army about a race who you almost never hear about in the fluff.

Agreed!

I mean, for the longest time, we were led to believe that they were essentially Space Skaven.

Now, Codex: Alpha Legion - that's one I could get excited about!

While I'd be happy to see a new race, especially another xeno race, I have to echo the concerns of a new race when the existing armies get questionable support as it is. (Tyranid second wave, anyone?)

Still, I'm a skaven player so if the Hrud are even remotely "space-skaveny" I'll be happy

streamdragon wrote:
Still, I'm a skaven player so if the Hrud are even remotely "space-skaveny" I'll be happy

We all know they won't be. All newer fluff goes along with what was in Xenology meaning they'll be this covered in robes/cloaks:

Hrud and their ageing technology - Pension Cannon

Aw :( What happened to the space ratmen hrud? When did that change?

I thought Xenology has been declared excommunicatus, i.e., not canon?

streamdragon wrote:Aw :( What happened to the space ratmen hrud? When did that change?

In Xenology, so a while ago.

The only time they were "Space Skaven" was a single picture in 3rd edition where they happened to have a rat-like tail poking out.



Note the big fuzzy thing with claws, the Donorian Clawed Fiend, which now looks like this instead:

That's what some people want to believe... because an artist drew a Tau foot wrong.

Alpharius wrote:I thought Xenology has been declared excommunicatus, i.e., not canon?

Since when? It's Black Library and as people love to say, Black library is canon. I've never seen anything to contradict that.

I want this to be true so badly.

Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

I have trouble believing even GW is lazy enough to just completely recycle background like that.

If GW wants to put in a new race, you know what I'd like to see? Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever. Someone who doesn't throw their lot in with Chaos, and someone who thinks the Empire and all the other powers are way too fascist. Basically, they fight for money or territory or self-defense and nothing more. Sort of like the Kroot, but developed into something that has a bit of variety to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know the rumours about how next edition is all about fighting Chaos, blah-de-blah-de-blah. I don't care. What GW really needs to make their IP come alive is a tiny section of it populated by normal people whom the audience can easily sympathize with and who can be a lense through which the madness of the 40K galaxy is portrayed.

Platuan4th wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I thought Xenology has been declared excommunicatus, i.e., not canon?

Since when? It's Black Library and as people love to say, Black library is canon. I've never seen anything to contradict that.

Black Library stuff as a whole seems to be 'secondary canon' above any licensed material, but less so than the primary sources of the main game books. And in GW's general workflow, even the game books are subject to change if a better idea comes along. This is sometimes a good thing, sometimes a bad thing.

Hrud were mentioned in Age of Darkness as quietly swallowing up systems on the edge of Imperial space.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:There is no salt mountain large enough to feature in a picture here to illustrate my disbelief in this 'rumour'.


And yes, GW can't even maintain a solid turnover with their current codices. (and they're certainly not providing adequate cover with the army book releases so far for 8th WHFB). So perhaps getting their current house in order would seem more prudent than releasing yet another race.

Given no SoB codex and the stop-gap of a WD codex for them, I don't think they have the time or inclination.





Buuuut.... if they were to do a new codex, I'd be happy to see a non-marine one.

While I agree with your logic, I can see one flaw. GW really doesn't give a flip about codicies, outside of them selling minis. So is there a potential possibility that they'd ignore a bunch of existing lines for which they don't have a ton of new models in order to cash in on the payday of a brand new race where customers have to buy each and every new piece?

Yeah, I could totally see that.

Remember, GW by their own thinking is not a game company, they are a mini company, with a bottom line of getting you to fork over as much of your money as they think they can get for their product.

And btw, I don't actually see a problem with that, it just means that a new race and all of the attendant splurging that would result seems more plausible when you realise that the rules only exist to sell more minis, not vice-versa. If GW really cared about the rules and an updated codex, they wouldn't have initiated the every 4 year rule changes.

Unlike the real thing, at least dung on the Internet has no actual smell. But I suppose after the announcements from GW of the past couple months, anything is possible.

In order to pass the smell test this like any product rumor has to ultimately be about sales. If this is something that GW could sell long-term for years to come, then it's as possible as anything else, especially if it would sell better than just another update to an existing army. In order to sell well, it would have to fill a niche not already covered. Necrons filled the "killer robot" niche that works well in any SF universe and Tau added a Robotech-esque look to 40K to attract customers from that niche of SF. Additional Space Marine armies added over the years sell well because they are the most popular range and idea in 40K. So the question is, what marketing niche do Hrud fill if they were to become a full model range with a Codex for gaming and is that a viable large-scale marketable idea?

I like how everyone is trying to apply logic to this rumor. GW seems like a company that has quite a lot of projects on their plate at any given moment and are willing to cut one of those projects at the slightest provocation at the last possibly moment. Hence the rumors control. I think GW doesn't want to announce anything new for the reasons they have mentioned themselves but at the same time not have to be held accountable to what they have said in the past.

These rumors could well be true but then at the last moment GW could scrap the whole project and save them for another day or attach them to something else like a tau auxiliary race.

Pretty much what I am saying everyone speculating could be right in some weird convoluted way and the only people who would know are the GW decision makers.

BrassScorpion wrote:Unlike the real thing, at least dung on the Internet has no actual smell. But I suppose after the announcements from GW of the past couple months, anything is possible.

In order to pass the smell test this like any product rumor has to ultimately be about sales. If this is something that GW could sell long-term for years to come, then it's as possible as anything else, especially if it would sell better than just another update to an existing army. In order to sell well, it would have to fill a niche not already covered. Necrons filled the "killer robot" niche that works well in any SF universe and Tau added a Robotech-esque look to 40K to attract customers from that niche of SF. Additional Space Marine armies added over the years sell well because they are the most popular range and idea in 40K. So the question is, what marketing niche do Hrud fill if they were to become a full model range with a Codex for gaming and is that a viable large-scale marketable idea?

Bridging the gap between WH Fantasy and WH 40K?

I'm new to the fluff etc but it sounds as though there's cross-over between dwarves and skaven here right? Maybe they'd do this to try and tempt those fantasy players not already into 40k into "joining the dark side". I don't know, just thinking on-keyboard.

Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Pael wrote:I like how everyone is trying to apply logic to this rumor. GW seems like a company that has quite a lot of projects on their plate at any given moment and are willing to cut one of those projects at the slightest provocation at the last possibly moment. Hence the rumors control. I think GW doesn't want to announce anything new for the reasons they have mentioned themselves but at the same time not have to be held accountable to what they have said in the past.

These rumors could well be true but then at the last moment GW could scrap the whole project and save them for another day or attach them to something else like a tau auxiliary race.

Pretty much what I am saying everyone speculating could be right in some weird convoluted way and the only people who would know are the GW decision makers.

This is one of the best, most salient posts I've seen on this forum in a while. And from a fellow Marylander.

kitch102 wrote:
Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Squats got eaten. Skaven never existed in 40K. 40K =!= future Fantasy.

The days of 40K armies being equivalents to Fantasy armies ended when Tau showed up.

Warhammer and 40K were a lot closer when I started with GW products more than 20 years ago. By 3rd Edition 40K in 1998 GW was deliberately trying to put more distance between 40K and WFB than had existed previously. If they are trying to make them more directly similar now it would be another "retro" move, but there have been quite a few "what's old is new again" moves in 5th Ed. 40K so it's not impossible even if it may seem unlikely.

Platuan4th wrote:

kitch102 wrote:
Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Squats got eaten. Skaven never existed in 40K. 40K =!= future Fantasy.

The days of 40K armies being equivalents to Fantasy armies ended when Tau showed up.

No no no sir, tau are the lizardmen of the far future. Blue, scaly skin, beady wee little eyes, and stuck somewhere down south. Where "I sure like your boots" meet "You got a pretty little mouth."

(no offense intended, just trying to be funny, sorry ot those tau and southern folk out there)

Pael wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

kitch102 wrote:
Could be interesting way to explain what happened to the dwarfs / skaven though - where they went and all that. Instead of being wiped out maybe they mutated into a hybrid race that fled to the stars, etc etc etc.

Squats got eaten. Skaven never existed in 40K. 40K =!= future Fantasy.

The days of 40K armies being equivalents to Fantasy armies ended when Tau showed up.

No no no sir, tau are the lizardmen of the far future. Blue, scaly skin, beady wee little eyes, and stuck somewhere down south. Where "I sure like your boots" meet "You got a pretty little mouth."

(no offense intended, just trying to be funny, sorry ot those tau and southern folk out there)

You know an easy way not to offend "southern folk?" Don't insult them. Then you don't have to issue a parenthetical apology.

Your earlier post about how using logic on GW's decisions is a pretty valid point though. I no longer try to imagine what I think is "best" or a "good idea" when thinking about what GW does. In fact, now that they have gone super-paranoid, I don't think I want to speculate about anything anymore.

I can't see it - they have too much going on - not that it wouldn't be nice.

I don't hold much stock in rumours until I see pictures anyway - remember the Necron rumours started by 'Bob from Marketing' a while back and how people bought that? Personally I just wish they'd do a few 'surprise releases' every year - the cycle of wave releases is dull. I'd just like to see the occassional boxed set or updates for different things - they could release a set of plastic Hrud, put the rules in White Dwarf (like they used to) and people would by it.

*Shrugs*

So the question is, what marketing niche do Hrud fill if they were to become a full model range with a Codex for gaming and is that a viable large-scale marketable idea?

Hrud fill the niche as a race of intergalactic gribbly hobo's

While I'd like this to be true, and from what little I know of them I think the Hrud seem like a faction that could be expanded upon in very interesting ways, unfortunately I think these rumours are just wishful thinking...

JOHIRA wrote:Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

I have trouble believing even GW is lazy enough to just completely recycle background like that.

If GW wants to put in a new race, you know what I'd like to see? Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever. Someone who doesn't throw their lot in with Chaos, and someone who thinks the Empire and all the other powers are way too fascist. Basically, they fight for money or territory or self-defense and nothing more. Sort of like the Kroot, but developed into something that has a bit of variety to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know the rumours about how next edition is all about fighting Chaos, blah-de-blah-de-blah. I don't care. What GW really needs to make their IP come alive is a tiny section of it populated by normal people whom the audience can easily sympathize with and who can be a lense through which the madness of the 40K galaxy is portrayed.

All the evidence so far indicates that what the IP needs is more Space Mariens.

I did find it really odd that the previously barely mentioned and seemingly left intentionally vague Hrud suddenly had a very chunky amount of detail revealed about them in Age of Darkness.

It really did suggest to me at the time, that at the very least, people at GW were doing some serious thinking about them.

Kilkrazy wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

I have trouble believing even GW is lazy enough to just completely recycle background like that.

If GW wants to put in a new race, you know what I'd like to see? Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever. Someone who doesn't throw their lot in with Chaos, and someone who thinks the Empire and all the other powers are way too fascist. Basically, they fight for money or territory or self-defense and nothing more. Sort of like the Kroot, but developed into something that has a bit of variety to it.

Yeah, yeah, I know the rumours about how next edition is all about fighting Chaos, blah-de-blah-de-blah. I don't care. What GW really needs to make their IP come alive is a tiny section of it populated by normal people whom the audience can easily sympathize with and who can be a lense through which the madness of the 40K galaxy is portrayed.

All the evidence so far indicates that what the IP needs is more Space Mariens.

Truer words were never spoken!

Codex: Alpha Legion, double quick please!

And hes, the Hrud do get a mention in Age of Darkness.

Perturabo pissed them off and 'forced them' to act out aggressively against the Imperium

The seem to also possess some sort of rapid aging technology, effective against both Organics and Machines...

JOHIRA wrote:Normal people. A race that has no ideology whatsoever.

Normal people have no ideology?

Compel wrote:I did find it really odd that the previously barely mentioned and seemingly left intentionally vague Hrud suddenly had a very chunky amount of detail revealed about them in Age of Darkness.

It really did suggest to me at the time, that at the very least, people at GW were doing some serious thinking about them.

They were explained a bit in C: IG, the main 40k rulebook, and several other places.

It's not a big deal. They're fluffing out a lot of the minor races, not because of the 40k TTG, but because of the forthcoming MMO and the various RPG systems out there.

JOHIRA wrote:Hmmm.... an ancient race who hate chaos because their god and world were destroyed by Slaanesh, and now revere small fragments of that god scattered among them...

You mean Eldar, right? RIGHT?

I did find it really odd that the previously barely mentioned and seemingly left intentionally vague Hrud suddenly had a very chunky amount of detail revealed about them in Age of Darkness.

Well, by that logic, Exodite Eldar are more likely than Hrud. The Hrud only got one story in Age of Darkness... The Exodites got an entire book in Promethean Sun. Besides that, the ancient race that hate slaanesh and revere their fragmented god fits the Eldar much better than it does the Hrud (from what we know). So what if Promethean Sun is a 3000 copy limited edition that won't be reprinted for 2 years or so, it makes more sense to me.

Please, please, please let this be true. I have been wanting a Hrud army since that first line drawing in 3rd edition. They have a lot of potential and would probably instantly become my new favourite army. They fill a very dark and grungy niche, as weird sinister aliens. They also fill the Jawa niche lol
They've been getting mentioned quite a lot recently, for a race that has no rules and no minis. If I remember correctly they were mentioned in 5th, Planetstrike, Age of darness and at least one recent codex.

Its not happening guys. Between the claims of intentional false rumors, the already tight release schedule, and GW's own claims of nothing new, its unlikely at best. Yeah, they've been getting mentioned a lot in the fluff and books recently, but thats more attributable to GW fleshing out more of hte background rather than releasing another book. Hrud aren't the only alien species mentioned in the Horus Heresy series that don't have rules or minis, and the other sources you've mentioned (5th, Planetstrike, codecies) have also mentioned other non-mini'd, non-ruled xenos as well (the 'hyper-violent Bargheisi' or whatever they're called are the first to come to mind across multiple sources).

Samus666 wrote:Please, please, please let this be true. I have been wanting a Hrud army since that first line drawing in 3rd edition. They have a lot of potential and would probably instantly become my new favourite army. They fill a very dark and grungy niche, as weird sinister aliens. They also fill the Jawa niche lol
They've been getting mentioned quite a lot recently, for a race that has no rules and no minis. If I remember correctly they were mentioned in 5th, Planetstrike, Age of darness and at least one recent codex.

They have absolutely no potential, at all, as an army.
They are not "very dark and grungy" and nor are they sinister.

The Loxatl have gotten far more mention over the years "for a race that has no rules and no minis".

tetrisphreak wrote: I want to see the current 16 codicies supported more.

Ill go exactly the opposite way. Id like to see the current stuff condensed, and some new blood injected. Put all the SM back in the same codexes, with supplements in WD for the "popular" chapters like BA, DA, BT, etc. Chaos SM and daemons should be one codex.

Honestly with the army choices and fluff being generally stagnant for many, many years 40k is kinda boring.

I think before people talk about a new faction they need to consider the following points:

1. GW cannot manage the number of factions they have at the moment. Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

2. What distinctive kind of tactics could a proposed new faction use? Is it possible to bring something new, interesting and balanced to the metagame?

Without some kind of worthwhile "schtick", a new faction is nothing more than an old faction with a different set of models. We can do that for ourselves more cheaply than GW.

So, Kan, the purpose of your post was, what exactly? Just to contradict everything i had to say, even though most of it was purely matter of opinion? Did you lose an quarrel with HBMC and decide to take it out on me for some strange reason? Just curious.

What the system needs is less Space Marines, and more non-humanoid aliens. There, I said it.

Samus666 wrote:So, Kan, the purpose of your post was, what exactly? Just to contradict everything i had to say, even though most of it was purely matter of opinion?

If by "matter of opinion" you mean "matter of opinion backed by all the fiction in place about the Hrud", sure.

Did you lose an quarrel with HBMC and decide to take it out on me for some strange reason? Just curious.

Pft. HBMC never 'wins'. He just shouts the loudest.

And as a sidenote, I'm not "taking it out on you". I'm taking it out on these ridiculous rumors about a background faction, at best, that maybe 5% of the 40k fanbase have an interest in.

Kilkrazy wrote:Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

As opposed to the 3 Chaos books, 2 Human, 2 Undead, and 3 Elf books for WHFB?

Seriously. The SM codices aren't going anywhere. There's no need for anything to be cut, just like there's no real need to introduce another "xenian faction" just for the sake of having another one.

Numbers mean nothing. Content means everything.

Kanluwen wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

As opposed to the 3 Chaos books, 2 Human, 2 Undead, and 3 Elf books for WHFB?

Seriously. The SM codices aren't going anywhere. There's no need for anything to be cut, just like there's no real need to introduce another "xenian faction" just for the sake of having another one.

Numbers mean nothing. Content means everything.

As dirty as it makes me feel(good thing I'm about to go shower to shave, eh?), I have to agree with Kan.

Kanluwen wrote:Pft. HBMC never 'wins'. He just shouts the loudest.

Keep telling yourself that sunshine.

In other news, did you notice how you were telling Samus (and everyone) that they couldn't have Hrud as an army? How we're not allowed to have it because, via your own opinion, they have 'absolutely no potential, at all, as an army'. I'm so glad you cleared that up for us. I mean, here we all are wondering if the Hrud can be an army, but you - the mighty Kan - are here to remind us of what we can and cannot have based on... uhh... based on your own opinion I guess. Yeah.

Platuan4th wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:Some SM codexes need to be cut or amalgamated before another xenian faction can be introduced.

As opposed to the 3 Chaos books, 2 Human, 2 Undead, and 3 Elf books for WHFB?

Seriously. The SM codices aren't going anywhere. There's no need for anything to be cut, just like there's no real need to introduce another "xenian faction" just for the sake of having another one.

Numbers mean nothing. Content means everything.

As dirty as it makes me feel(good thing I'm about to go shower to shave, eh?), I have to agree with Kan.

3 chaos/2 human/2 undead/3 elf vs. 6 Space Marines books? At least the fantasy books have significant differences to one another (compared to space marines), and are spread out across factions.

For those not familiar with fantasy:

3 Chaos books: Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, Daemons of Chaos. There is some minor overlap in a couple of the books, to the effect of one or two units (MAYBE) out of a total of say 16-24 per book, but the playstyles are completely different (moreso than saying that one space marine book is shootier or more assaultier than another), as are the statlines, magic abilities, composition, etc.

2 Humans: Brettonians and Empire. There is really no similarity here, other than they both happen be human factions. The playstyles, themese, look, units, etc. are all completely different from one another. The closest you'll get to a similarity is the fact that the Empire allows you to take a unit of knights, which are similar in name and appearance to the knights that make up a large chunk of a brettonian army, and thats pretty much it.

2 Undead: Vampire Counts and Tomb Kings. Again the only real similarity is that they are undead. The Vampire Counts are the wet undead (zombies, ghosts, ghouls, etc.) while Tomb Kings are dry undead (skeletons, etc.). The magic and playstyles are significantly different, as is the look and feel of each army.

3 Elf books: Dark, High, and Wood elves. Here we have perhaps the most similarity between High and Dark Elves, but there are still significant differences. Wood Elves are something else.


Contrast this to 6 Marines: Codex, Dark Angels, Black Templars, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Grey Knights. Okay, I'll give you that each book has a somewhat different playstyle, but for the most part everything else is rather interchangeable. There is a high commonality of units from book to book, with few exceptions, a largely similar organization, etc. Okay, a couple books have some pretty unique game changing units available, but is it enough to really warrant that many books? The two armies that stand out the most are Space Wolves and Grey Knights (I can't comment on Black Templars since I literally know nothing about their rules other than the fact that they move forward when they fall back and only have a basic understanding of the fluff).

And you came so close to getting the point.

Out of those 6 Marine books (of which you're really cooking the books by including Grey Knights, since it's "Grey Knights and Inquisition", but whatever), the 3 most recent ones are very different compared to the three earlier ones.

Black Templars, Dark Angels, and Codex all suffer from the fact that they were what they had to work from when doing the rest.
If they were to be redone to encourage different playstyles and give specific benefits along with specific equipment/signature units so that you can't play the ridiculous "Gray Robed Wolf" game where people constantly hop from one Marine dex to the next with little to no change in model setup, just points costs and base equipment...then you might not see all this constant "We need less Marines!" crap.

If this rumour has any truth to it (hopeful) I can finally have a fluff-based purging campaign against the Hrud with my Iron Warriors before the slaughter on Olympia. My pre-heresy miniatures will have a purpose!

However like they say: An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded

The point I was trying to make (rather weakly) was to spread the love a bit. I have nothing against Marines getting 6 books... but I want Chaos Marines/Chaos in general to get a couple more books too.Is it to much to ask for some legion specific (whether it be one book or 8) codecies, a book like the current one for renegades/a lost and the damned/traitor guard type book, and a book for daemons? I want the eldar to get the full treatment too, where are exodite and crone world eldar codecies (not to mention Harlequins which I dont consider to be worthy of their own full book).

People are taking this seriously?

Alpharius wrote:Could be BoLS BS...
But hey, at least they posted it first!

Actually they didn't (they never do).
It was posted by ghost21 when he supposedly leaked that there are two or three new armies in the works. Was mentioned in the 6th edition thead.

Don't have the time to repost it, maybe in 12 hours or so.

If we see the Hrud, or somehow the Umbra, I'd put money that they'll show up in the Tau codex. I really don't see them adding a race of scavengers to 40k as a serious contender who can go toe to toe with the central armies. That'd be like saying the Jawas were a serious threat to the Empire on Tatooine.

This just in; Umbra kits to be filled with 30 25mm bases, you supply the shadow.

Retail price £22.50

Medium of Death wrote:This just in; Umbra kits to be filled with 30 25mm bases, you supply the shadow.

Retail price £22.50

I thought this was part of GW's new ShadowCast range. The finest quality miniatures in the world, but only the smartestest most cleverestest GW loyalists can see them.

Medium of Death wrote:This just in; Umbra kits to be filled with 30 25mm bases, you supply the shadow.

Retail price £22.50

I think you're confused by what the Umbra are. They have a physical form, a black featureless orb:



I get the joke you were trying to do, but it would have been funnier if you had centered it around GW selling 2-3 marbles for 5 times what you can get an entire bag for at a toy store.

bhsman wrote:People are taking this seriously?

Looks like it.

I call BS on the whole thing. People SAY that they want them, but remember- we're talking about GW here.

They said the "Squats got eatened up bys the Nids...."

They already Purged the Hrud,as well. One of those Space Marine chapers had a crusade against them and wiped them all out, so they can move in and get some prime Real Estate or something.

I don't remember the chapter,though, thought I read it in the Marine Codex.


Then theres the little tidbit about the "Slann."


We haven't heard ANYTHING about the Slann since maybe 2d edition, Rogue Trader.


I've got as much faith in this one as I do in the Pan Foo....





Because......

The Hrud did have a crusade launched against them, but due to their nature they were almost impossible to eradicate completely, and there in a reference to the Hrud 'swallowing up outer Imperial Space'

Well according to my FLGS manager this is a false rumor from GW intentionally to try and throw off the gaming community, though I only have him as a referance on that

Murdock129 wrote:Well according to my FLGS manager this is a false rumor from GW intentionally to try and throw off the gaming community, though I only have him as a referance on that

What, like Space Hulk not being the mystery release in 2009?

Gw"Intentionally" throwing off the gaming community?


No, they'd NEVER DO THAT!!!

They don't even need to throw up gak like this to do that, either.

Leigen_Zero wrote:And Bell of Lost Souls themselves are saying that they don't really trust it:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/06/40k-rumors-what-tangled-web-we-weave.html

Might as well quote the part that they said caused them not to trust it:

LittleBird wrote:Alright, story time.

My "source" (let's call him Mr. Black because it sounds cool) has been leaking small tidbits to his friends for years, with the understanding that we keep things under wraps and not say anything until it becomes public knowledge on the internet. He's a cool guy and we want him to keep his job. One of the guys in my group is a poster on Warseer and he leaks like a soggy teabag, though. Mr. Black suspected this, but it wasn't that big of a deal because most of the information he shares with us is either confirmations of rumors that are already out there, it's small stuff that most people wouldn't care that much about (fluff, internal workings, etc). Well, Mr. Black has a laptop, and on that laptop are the next 2-3 unreleased codices plus plenty of other work-related stuff. When Mr. Black went to the restroom one day without locking his laptop, our leaky friend snuck a peak at the unreleased GK codex and leaked a ton of rumors onto Warseer. He didn't get caught at first, but suspicions were running high. Later as a test, Mr. Black told Leaky about some new information he'd heard from on high (all of it completely BS), and sure enough the next day it's all over Warseer under the same account name as the guy who leaked the GK rumors.

Now that we have confirmation that Leaky is a ****, he is being fed a lot of utter BS to see how gullible he is and/or how long it takes him to realize that he's been caught red-handed. I don't know Leaky's screenname but people who frequent Warseer might be able to take a stab at it.

That said, I haven't talked to Mr. Black in a few weeks and have no idea if this Hrud information is legitimate or not. Basically I'm just giving the rumor mill a bit of a warning.

TL;DR: Be wary of what you read on Warseer.

Grot 6 wrote:Then theres the little tidbit about the "Slann."


We haven't heard ANYTHING about the Slann since maybe 2d edition, Rogue Trader.

IMO, the fluff in the Necron codex suggests the Old Ones were in fact the Old Slann. I don't think the references to astromancy and "cold-blooded wisdom" were accidental. But that's off-topic.


Back on topic, I guess I'm more inclined than some here to believe that Hrud *could* happen. I dunno if I woulda believed someone telling me back in 2000 that 40K was going to get a new army of semi-communist, noseless humanoids with anime-styled gear and major firepower, with vehicles named after fish. Sounds silly when stated that way, right? Not saying that Tau are a bad concept at all, just that presentation matters and rumors rarely present something properly.

Now, I'm not holding my breath on Codex: Hrud, but I'd be willing to buy that it's something the studio has at least conceptually kicked around a little. Why not? They probably have concepts for all kinds of things floating around the studio.

Does the game *need* another army? Heck no. Then again, I dunno whether the game really needed a Codex: GK, and it happened anyway. *shrug*

tetrisphreak wrote:They're also saying that there's a high chance this is a false lead planted by someone to cause confusion.

A new race would be great, but I want to see the current 16 codicies supported more.

Not quite, the poster on BOL said that there is rumor monger on WARSEER who has been fed alot of false info by his source (whom he pissed off previously). This rumor monger supposedly posted a bunch of valid rumors concerning GREY KNIGHTS previously. The poster said he doesn't know the rumorn monger's moniker on WARSEER. The poster then states that he has no idea if the HRUD rumors are true or not.

Now Ghost 21 has been the only person on Warseer releasing info on HRUD. He has NOT posted any rumors about GREY KNIGHTS on WARSEER (as a member of Warseer, I can check all his past posts --- and did). So either the BOLS poster is talking about someone other than Ghost21 OR he is being misleading.

In regards to the 6th edition rumors leaked...they were leaked on BOK not WARSEER...though Ghost 21 and Tastytaste have both said that some of the rumors lined up with what they had previously heard from other sources.

I'm not trying to validate any rumors or rumor mongers by any means, I am just trying to clarify the BOLS post.


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htj wrote:Who are the 'normally reliable posters' the article mentions? Anyway know? I'd check my self, but my work-filter blocks Warseer.

The article doesn't mention any "reliable posters" it just comes out swinging blindly

Alright, story time.

My "source" (let's call him Mr. Black because it sounds cool) has been leaking small tidbits to his friends for years, with the understanding that we keep things under wraps and not say anything until it becomes public knowledge on the internet. He's a cool guy and we want him to keep his job. One of the guys in my group is a poster on Warseer and he leaks like a soggy teabag, though. Mr. Black suspected this, but it wasn't that big of a deal because most of the information he shares with us is either confirmations of rumors that are already out there, it's small stuff that most people wouldn't care that much about (fluff, internal workings, etc). Well, Mr. Black has a laptop, and on that laptop are the next 2-3 unreleased codices plus plenty of other work-related stuff. When Mr. Black went to the restroom one day without locking his laptop, our leaky friend snuck a peak at the unreleased GK codex and leaked a ton of rumors onto Warseer. He didn't get caught at first, but suspicions were running high. Later as a test, Mr. Black told Leaky about some new information he'd heard from on high (all of it completely BS), and sure enough the next day it's all over Warseer under the same account name as the guy who leaked the GK rumors.

Now that we have confirmation that Leaky is a ****, he is being fed a lot of utter BS to see how gullible he is and/or how long it takes him to realize that he's been caught red-handed. I don't know Leaky's screenname but people who frequent Warseer might be able to take a stab at it.

That said, I haven't talked to Mr. Black in a few weeks and have no idea if this Hrud information is legitimate or not. Basically I'm just giving the rumor mill a bit of a warning.

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Kroothawk wrote:
It was posted by ghost21 when he supposedly leaked that there are two or three new armies in the works. Was mentioned in the 6th edition thead.

Don't have the time to repost it, maybe in 12 hours or so.

Please do

Platuan4th wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:This just in; Umbra kits to be filled with 30 25mm bases, you supply the shadow.

Retail price £22.50

I think you're confused by what the Umbra are. They have a physical form, a black featureless orb:

Nah, they can explode into awesomeness if angered:


I wish it were Enslavers and Umbra, but the background supports the Hrud and Umbra together.

My main skepticism is that these rumors of Umbra allying with the Hrud greatly support the only few facts known about these races thrown into the background of the fluff. I'm surprised GW even cares about these races.

I don't see the Hrud as a viable (by that I mean marketable) race. Or the Slann. You're going to have to have some absolute GENIUS visionary GW artist to make frog-men cool and Dan Abnett quality writing to change the fluff to reflect either race having enough numbers and technology to justify armies of them.

Then again, Hrud may be the 40k version of Ratmen. As much as everyone might want to deny or ignore it, 40k is still very much "Warhammer in Space". Bring back the Squats and give them a name I can pronounce. That's my vote. Forge World's Chaos Dwarves could easily double for Squats or Demiurg or whatever you want to call the evil little people.

Personally, the recent flood of rumours by ghost21 sounds weird to me. Not saying that they are false or posted to fool us, but I wouldn't be surprised if the above Mr. Black is right that ghost21 is fed utter BS by his sources (although ghost21 denies being that person and Wyoimingfox says ghost21 didn't post on Grey Knights). But my spider sense is tingling and I am sceptical ATM. That's why I felt no motivation to post these rumours. Anyway, first a summary of his Hrud rumours by MrSatan over at Warseer:

This will be a thread to compile and discuss the upcoming Hrud army thats going to be released with the new edition next year. This was brought to light in the 6th edition rumor thread by Ghost and backed by BramGaunt.

Firstly big thanks to Ghost as pretty much all so far has came from him but I am hoping the other rumormongers will also pitch in! The idea of a Hrud force has really caught my attention as I have always been a big fan of them. Please don't let this degenerate into trolling and wishlisting and I will update this thread as more info comes to light!

Firstly for reference heres the current Hrud info:
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hrud

MOST RECENT INFO (GHOST):

-Will probably be a white dwarf teaser list and then a full codex. Look out for hints in upcoming WD's
-The Umbra WILL be in the army
-There will be at least one vehicle described as a tunneler modified for war (tunneling rules a la trygon perhaps?)
-Rules for 'entropic fields' that probably reduce stats of those in range
-They have units named/such as Triads, Blades, Shamans, Paths
-They are described as a 'steamroller' type force withe tactic such as 'shoot retreat shoot , ambush'
-Background-wise they are described as an ancient race that are pissed because they lost their homeworld to slaanesh, the umbra are said to be fragments of their God (Q'ah) that was destroyed by Slaanesh. They hate Chaos with a passion.
-They are described as having distinct tribes with each tried bein visually different/sub-species
-Possible Lovecraftian flavours to the army, mentions of shoggoth-like creatures

Thats all, again this is pretty much all from Ghost so far. If anyone including Ghost has anything to add feel free to post/PM me and I will keep this up to date.
Many Thanks

Here a collection of original posts (he has been leaking info somewhat cryptical, starting 21st June):

urm (you do know theres going to be 2 new "armies" right to add to that list?)
hides (...)

BramGaunt wrote:As far as I know "Traitor Legions" and "Holy Inquisition", that is.

one is "warp" based the other isnt marines (...)
i wish i could tell you it was enslavers but it isnt (...)
they both exist in fluff.... n thats all i can nod too (...)
i can asure you the legion dex will have alot of varation
really its not marines of any type
and why would umbra suck? really they wouldn't (...)
i meant the new army is not marines of any type spikey or non
im not talking about legions (...)

Theocracity wrote:Does the new army generally fit with the concept of Order vs Chaos we've been hearing? Any indication which side it falls on?

order (but marines thought they killed em)

my_name_is_tudor wrote:Zoats?

urm.... i wish (...)
i only mean order as in they want to blat chaos
ps one person got right
edit it not squats (...)

Zothos wrote:My money is on Interex.

my money isnt

MrSatan wrote:I'm sure the hrud were meant to have been wiped out during the crusade? Right Ghost?

thats correct (...)
to clarify there is a traitor legion dex
there are also 2 other dexes one of chaos hateing dark orb worshiping subterainans

expect extensive cult lists but not books, same with other legions (...)
a cult legion list is significantly different to a cult list .. if you catch my meaning (...)

lungboy wrote:Genestealer-Cult list?

eventually but expect it to be wd only (...)
honestly there will be a cult list that you pick n choose , one way will be genestealers the other chaos , or as far as i understand
not exactly a full list but close enough to please people (and i did say eventually)

Old concept art by Jes:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=113031&d=1308792262

Pic from Xenology:


Other pic from old 40k rulebook (2nd IIRC):

Last pic is from 3rd, Kroot.

Kanluwen wrote:
Pft. HBMC never 'wins'. He just shouts the loudest.

Mr. Kirk, my irony meters are going off the charts


I think the Hrud would be cool, except I'm just trying to figure out exactly what niche they would fill.

What this game REALLY needs is some sort of pirate/mercenary faction that isn't the Dark Eldar. the Dark Eldar are just in a little sector, I would expect human mercenaries or pirates to be everywhere.

Yeah, remember now. Before Kroot were released in the Tau Codex.

Grot 6 wrote:Then theres the little tidbit about the "Slann."


We haven't heard ANYTHING about the Slann since maybe 2d edition, Rogue Trader.

Nope, not since the 4th edition rulebook, you are right! Wait, what? Oh, Hrud are in there too.

I'm taking this with some salt but remaining hopeful. I'd love for there to be more xenos races if the slann have some old one technology, which is arguably the most advanced in the galaxy.

I went ---->
When I found out that people actually believe this. This and the wishlisting gone wild that's called "6th edition rumors"

If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

Tasty at Blood of Kittens has mentioned addressing both these rumors and the 6th Ed. rumors floating about tomorrow.

Holy_doctrine wrote:If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

Personally, I'd rather have something that could be made as 'counts as' Guard. A new alien race would be pretty sweet. Not that I believe these rumours in the slightest.

That being said, I want a proper Sisters 'dex first.

Holy_doctrine wrote:If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

And then we complain about there being too much Imperium. I would love another Xeno race tbh.

Honestly, I think that a race of Space Skaven would have incredible potential in 40k. I know that GW is trying to take the two games in different directions creatively, but the thought of a tide of nasty looking space scavengers wielding highly destructive (to both sides!) weapons, weaving between insane, warp-tech vehicles and artillery pieces (and the occasional monstrous creature implanted with said artillery) is just too cool.

I would buy Space Skaven at a moment's notice.

Omegus wrote:I would buy Space Skaven at a moment's notice.

Space Skaven would get me right back into 40k.

But I'll bet that one of the 8 races for Mantic's Warpath will be a sort of 'rat-man' thing.

I see how they could do this because of how often they are mentioned in 40K fluff, but doubt it for the following reasons:

1. They (in my opinion) aren't that good matching army rules with editions ( they usually update the rules for the game before they can do all the armies...take grey knights for example)
2. I have noticed that if it makes sense (to make money among veteran players they need to come out with new units/armies), they won't do it.

But it would still be cool to see these guys represented in the game.

Leigen_Zero wrote:And Bell of Lost Souls themselves are saying that they don't really trust it:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2011/06/40k-rumors-what-tangled-web-we-weave.html

So my friends, so many possibilities with a perfect little gem of a 40K Rumor casestudy sitting in front of us like a Faberge Egg. Do you think we are seeing:



a) Solid rumor with a bit of counter intellegence to muddy the waters

b) Bunk being fed into the online community to lead people on

c) Trial balloons being floated by GW to solicit feedback

d) Shenanigans posted by 2 lonely college students who dont want to write papers...

Oooh double-ninja'd!

There is also E that GW is putting out different false rumors to different departments looking to see which I thier lies get on the net,so they can see where the leaks are coming from.

winnertakesall wrote:

Holy_doctrine wrote:If they want a new race, give us Mechanicum.

And then we complain about there being too much Imperium. I would love another Xeno race tbh.

I don't see why, considering they're not the Imperium. They're the Adeptus Mechanicus. They're another human faction.

What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

Honestly I didn't know that about the AdMech before today because you would never know they weren't actually part of the Imperium if you were a xenos player. Not only do they seem to be part of the Imperium, they seem to be an integral part of it to the point where it seems like it wouldn't function without them.

The Imperium couldn't function without the Ad Mech, but the Ad Mech wouldn't quite be able to function without the Imperium either. Its a symbiotic relationship.

Sidstyler wrote:Honestly I didn't know that about the AdMech before today because you would never know they weren't actually part of the Imperium if you were a xenos player. Not only do they seem to be part of the Imperium, they seem to be an integral part of it to the point where it seems like it wouldn't function without them.

And that's what makes them interesting from a fluff standpoint at least.

They're not the Imperium. They have their own god, the Omnissiah. There's a 'schism' in the Mechanicus where some believe that it is the Emperor, the rest believe it is its own entity (and is hinted at being the C'tan 'the Dragon'. They have their own very powerful military forces (Skitarii legions and Titan legions) and their own Naval forces. They have their own security forces, social hierarchy, and diplomats. They are very separate from the Imperium.

And yet, they're dependant on the Imperium, as the Imperium is dependant on them. If they ever truly stopped cooperating with the Imperium, both would suffer. But that doesn't stop the friction between the two organisations. It's one of the most interesting 'conflicts' of humans in 40k, IMO.

Ohhh interesting.

I'm currently writing up a Hrud codex homebrew codex at the moment (more to entertain myself than anything else). Although it would be interesting to see what GW would do with them I can't see this being true.

Although... Just a thought... GW has a bit of a thing for horde armies and I've certainly penned them as horde, I wonder if GW feels the same way....

As a horde army would mean more miniature sales, I would say with almost certainty if this army were to come to pass, then it would follow that pattern.

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

I've got to say, I honestly don't think I've ever been less excited about a 40K rumour. I just don't see the attraction in the Hrud. Doubt I'll ever consider playing them.

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Ah, but that's the point. The Emperor IS to most of the Mechanicum (and certainly officialy, when dealing with the rest of the Imperium) the Omnissiah.

chaos0xomega wrote:Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

I don't think that example is fitting for the situation between the AdMech and the Imperium. While they may have started off as separate factions, they've been working symbiotically for so long that they are now wholly inseparable. It may be that they're still be independent of one another on paper, but in practice, they're a singular entity. Trying to identify a potential AdMech Codex as not being another Imperium aligned book would be quite a stretch (or case of wishful thinking, for those that have an intense dislike for the Imperium).

Also, what does any of this have to do with the Hrud?

What it has to do with the Hrud, I don't know, but ultimately the alignment/perceived alignment of the Ad Mech would be in large part determined by the fluff in the codex. Black Library has a lot of different writers and all of them take their own individual liberties with the fluff. How close the ties are between the AdMech and the Imperium is open to some interpretation, a codex however is a good bit more definitive.

The Imperium was founded through the union of Terra and Mars. Mars has sovereignty over its own affairs, but it is explicitly a part of the Imperium. The Austro-Hungarian Empire analogy is apt, but the part of Austria is played by Terra, while the Imperium represents the unified whole.

chaos0xomega wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

Until the new Necron codex comes out and reveals that they are in fact worshiping the Void Dragon.

SkaerKrow wrote:
Also, what does any of this have to do with the Hrud?

Yes... please?

So, unless there's anything new to talk about real soon, it might be time to close up shop here.

You know, until there is something!

Mad4Minis wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:

SkaerKrow wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:What Loki has said. Ad Mech is a very close ally of the Imperium, not actually part of the Imperium itself.

From what I've read, this is actually incorrect. The AdMech are not a part of the Imperial Cult, they do not venerate the Emperor as a god (following the Omnissiah instead), but they are definitely a part of the Imperium of Man.

Read your 40k history some more. The Imperium of Man and AdMech is like the Austro Hungarian Empire, two separate entities that share a common leadership.

Until the new Necron codex comes out and reveals that they are in fact worshiping the Void Dragon.

Matt Ward shall use the necron codex as a way of talking about the AdMech. The codex itself will have like 8-10 pages with the stats and special rules for all of the necron models, like in the book out now, and follow with maybe 2-5 pages solely about Necrons. Then, the codex will have a story about 15-30 pages of Blood Angels and Necrons working together, solely from the BA perspective. Following that, we will shift to the AdMech teaming up with the Void Dragon for another 15-30 pages. On the last page, it will be a cliff hanger of the Outsider returning and giving orks gauss weapons. Oh, and the 5-10 pages with pictures of BA and Necrons, with the BA in the middle, and partial pictures of the end of a Necron gun, and maybe the foot of another warrior... (I have not seen the codex and have no clue what it will be like)

I don't know what this has to do with hrud, but if the hrud are gonna be in the game, please allow the Necron release to be decent. If the new codex is alright, sure, bring in more armies. If the necron codex is bad, however, for the hrud sake, I hope they don't become a codex and get the necron treatment...