gicks30 wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:
This looks silly.

I like Yarrick. What's wrong with him?

OT: They can fix the legs but they still need to fix the boring box-gun.

He's a frail old man holding a 400 pound claw at his elbow and extending it several feet out. In his other hand he has a 100 pound storm bolter. It's ridiculous looking. It's world of warcraftian.

ShumaGorath wrote:Sitting on my bed I managed that pose no problem.

I rather doubt that, frankly. You might have managed what you thought was the same pose, but I would be willing to bet your spine wasn't that straight.

Not that it particularly matters. When you're talking aesthetics, whether or not the pose is possible is completely secondary to the fact that it looks unnatural.


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ShumaGorath wrote:He's a frail old man...

Hardly.

holding a 400 pound claw

Where is the weight of Yarrick's claw noted?

It's ridiculous looking. It's world of warcraftian.

It's par for the course for 40K, and pretty much every other scifi game currently in existence.

I rather doubt that, frankly. You might have managed what you thought was the same pose, but I would be willing to bet your spine wasn't that straight.

I'm willing to bet you don't do kinematics for a living.

Hardly.

As modeled he appears to be pretty decrepit. Y'know, aside from the engine block on his arm.

Where is the weight of Yarrick's claw noted?

It's a solid chunk of metal the size of an oil drum.

It's par for the course for 40K, and pretty much every other scifi game currently in existence.

Not that it particularly matters. When you're talking aesthetics, whether or not the pose is possible is completely secondary to the fact that it looks unnatural.

You make this too easy.

ShumaGorath wrote:

I'm willing to bet you don't do kinematics for a living.

I'm willing to bet that WGF soldier doesn't either.

Note how the knees on that guy in your picture are much lower down than the trooper's.

It's par for the course for 40K, and pretty much every other scifi game currently in existence.

Not that it particularly matters. When you're talking aesthetics, whether or not the pose is possible is completely secondary to the fact that it looks unnatural.

You make this too easy.

Not really sure what point you're making. WGF's scifi miniatures so far suffer just as much from the giant weapon aesthetic as GW's do.

ShumaGorath wrote:

Or maybe they tried the sitting pose, wound up with something that looked vaguely like WGF's effort here, and decided to go for something that didn't look as silly...

Other than the legs being 30% too short

'Then' is a completely different word to 'than', it's like confusing 'there' with 'they're' (short for they are).

As for the kneeling legs, they give a sense of action that the sitting pose does not. I get the impression that these guys could pack up their weapon quickly and move elsewhere whereas the sitting guy looks like he's settled down and isn't going anywhere in a hurry. Both are useful.

Here it is painted:

Nice angle; it completely hides both the featureless block at the back of the gun, and how short his thighs are.

And against all odds, they make it look worse. I have to agree, that angle completely hides the lack of detail on the back of the gun and the gunner's ridiculous legs. That just comes off as borderline deceptive. Does anyone know if they actually implemented the changes that they promised earlier in the thread?

what an ugly model, CAD just doesnt help here.

That almost looks like a painting, not a photograph of painted models. Thanks for sharing, hopefully they'll get some sprue images up soon.

Looks like a poster of a 50's sci fi flick

Doesnt really make the model look all that much better.

A bit off topic, I actually find it really funny a company would rather use Facebook to put up their news/up coming projects than their own official site

SkaerKrow wrote:That almost looks like a painting, not a photograph of painted models.

I suspect it's a digital painting of the original render.

It looks kind of 'squished.' I know it's a sci-fi weapon, but I think my expectations are that the rear end of a gun should be more of an elongated shape in-line with the barrel.

Making the image 120% wider would also make the legs look better, I guess.

I think the weapon looks fine, box and all. It's the legs that concern me. I assume they didn't get a model in a long coat to sit on the floor to work out the dimensions of this thing before they started.

Absolutionis wrote:Here it is painted:

3 heavy weapons, 6 crew and 2 commanders? I assume there isn't any HW-options as they aren't mentioned.

Even GW HW box gives more value with its 15 hw options that can be stretched to 15 hw teams with spare men and some fixin'.
I think I know which HW:s my Space Nazis will be using.

adhuin wrote:

Absolutionis wrote:Here it is painted:

3 heavy weapons, 6 crew and 2 commanders? I assume there isn't any HW-options as they aren't mentioned.

Even GW HW box gives more value with its 15 hw options that can be stretched to 15 hw teams with spare men and some fixin'.
I think I know which HW:s my Space Nazis will be using.

Your assessment doesn't take into account the budget price point that WGF releases their figures at, or the fact that you should receive enough weapons in the Greatcoat kit that you will still come up with extra weapons (just as you do with the GW kit).

You mean this heavy weapon kit, or the original greatcoat troopers?

The original greatcoats were great and I have about 100 of of them. Extra poses from crew/commander are nice, but I'm more looking forward arming them with lot of heavy weaponry.

Assuming this costs same as greatcoat troopers (~16e+) and GW HW cadian box is (~24e+), then it should have at least 3x3 heavy weapons to match the quantity per euro. (using maelstroms prices as reference).

(edit: I'm not defending GW:s general price levels, but HW boxes are unbelievably good deals, when compared to any other gw products)

adhuin wrote:3 heavy weapons, 6 crew and 2 commanders? I assume there isn't any HW-options as they aren't mentioned.

It has a box with a pipe sticking out of it, that shoots fire. Why would you need any other options?

I gotta say, totally disappointed here. After the strong start WGF had with this line, they've just plain dropped the ball with this.

The gun itself is literally, a friggin' box with a pipe sticking out of it. It reminds me of the telephone service boxes I see all over town, usually on corners by the street. It's definitely not a man-portable weapon. I honestly can't imagine anything less exciting.

The gunner, sitting down like that, looks horrid. On the battlefield, if you're sitting down in such a position, you're dead the minute a grenade lands nearby or a sniper zeroes in on you. Hence why real troops kneel - to stay mobile in an emergency and get the hell out of there.

I think if they wanted him sitting down, they should have at least given him one of those cutesy little seats like GW used to have on their IG heavy weapons. At least then they'd be able to pose the legs properly and make them the correct size.

As it is this is a total miss. The gimped gunner, the telephone box, and the general blandness of the set will certainly not do much for WGF's Shock Trooper line.

Thrax wrote:The gunner, sitting down like that, looks horrid. On the battlefield, if you're sitting down in such a position, you're dead the minute a grenade lands nearby or a sniper zeroes in on you. Hence why real troops kneel - to stay mobile in an emergency and get the hell out of there.

While I still dont like it, as we have shown people do use machine guns/etc by sitting down like that

although they do tend to be smaller

From TGNews, New Pictures are up of the whole sprue and assembly:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/announcements/assemble-shock-troop-heavy-weapons-and-sprues

Assembled models:





Sprues:



Ignoring the heads, and the original "lascannon", it's not bad for the potential price point.
Also, kneeling legs are a welcome inclusion.

Oh god they're so very bad!

I'm not claiming that I could do any better if given a blob of sculpting clay and a knife, but this really appears as if creating a legion of mini- gothic Darth Vaders was the goal of the sculptor from inception.

BOW is reporting that the quality of the plastic will be better than these images show.

Considering that these models will be available fairly cheap, they're not awful. I may, at worst, buy a box just to raid for bits some time down the line.

Is it wrong to kind of...like them

The ones kneeling look better than the guys sitting down and I do like that dual gatling gun of death. I'm sure the models can be worked to look decent enough and the price will be key. I've been waiting to see how these turn out and I'm satisfied enough. What's wrong with a legion of mini Darth Vader's anyway?

The kneeling legs make these less terrible than I was expecting, and the gatling gun is cool. Now I'm wondering the kneeling legs could be used in place of the sitting ones. On the other hand, I'm a bit irritated with the decision to go with a katana for the officer's sword, as it kinda comes completely out of nowhere - there's really not a huge Japanese influence on these. A saber would've fit much better, I feel.

I'm not wowed, but I'm not disgusted. Could definitely be worse, but they're about in line with the originals. I don't get the katana on the officer though.

Wow. These are as hideous as we all expected. The details are strange. Everything looks like it was slapped together out of cliches that they thought would look cool. And do they not understand legs at all? The kneeling legs are ridiculously short.

Actually, I quite like those images, I'm not blown away but yeah, given a decent paint job, they be cool enough for the imperial guard player on a budget.

Luckily, the Cadian missile launcher doesn't look bad on the standing great coat troopers, and you can sort of futz with them standing around the lascannon/ac cannon from the heavy weapons kit.

I'm not blown away - but I think they seem pretty reasonable as a budget friendly solution.

It's nice that they managed to sneak in some heavy weapons that actually look like weapons rather than some sort of projection equipment... And the sitting gunner looks a lot better with the slight pose change.

Can't say I'm blown away by these though. The detail looks very soft, and the 'officers' look really awkward.

Probably gonna get flamed for this...but the detail on the clothing is much better on these models than on the current Imperial Guardsmen.

The proportions of the models and their helmets really is a killer tho.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Actually, I quite like those images, I'm not blown away but yeah, given a decent paint job, they be cool enough for the imperial guard player on a budget.

Indeed. Make them realistically inexpensive and its game on.

Hmm, they still aren't trimming those necks. And the officer katana is very WTF. OTOH, I like the furry officer robe (but not his superbig hat), kneeling legs and the reworked sitter and weapons look better. Not lascannon looks bad, but I have a crapton of those anyway. If these are cheap enough (like the shock troops) I can definitely see their usefulness.

Also yay for no molded bases!

Dear god, the flash is just...ugh. I'm lazy so I usually rely on the flash being at a min but geez. Yea they say the plastic will improve, I wonder how much though. Its actually weird when you compare the heads. The missile launcher guy actually has a very nice helmet detail compared to the train conductor guy's hat

Meh is all I can say, its WGF. I dont expect quality from them, I do expect quantity

I'll be buying some and working on them a bit to prove that they are not that bad and actually very salvageable.

Maybe they'll be like the GW DreadKnight - everyone moans about the basic model but it looks fabulous when converted.

biccat wrote:Probably gonna get flamed for this...but the detail on the clothing is much better on these models than on the current Imperial Guardsmen.

The proportions of the models and their helmets really is a killer tho.

I don't see why you'd get flamed for expressing your opinion (haha, what am I saying). I do think you're completely wrong though. The folds and hang of the WFG models has a pretty tenuous basis in reality, as though the sculptor had clothes described to him or had one photo of a women in a dress from which to extrapolate all his information on the way cloth works.

I'm curious as to which elements you think are done better.


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poipo32 wrote:I'll be buying some and working on them a bit to prove that they are not that bad and actually very salvageable.

There are clearly some usable bitz there, and frankly they're never going to look _worse_ than in massive close up.

Absolutionis wrote:BOW is reporting that the quality of the plastic will be better than these images show.

Considering that these models will be available fairly cheap, they're not awful. I may, at worst, buy a box just to raid for bits some time down the line.

Those aren't awful. They're God-awful.

They make Citadel circa 1986 look spectacular.

Absolutionis wrote:BOW is reporting that the quality of the plastic will be better than these images show.

Considering that these models will be available fairly cheap, they're not awful. I may, at worst, buy a box just to raid for bits some time down the line.

Just in case you want to put some bad bits on your expensive models?

The guns, the masks, the arms, the legs, most of the poses... Not so good, to put it kindly. And it's like they took Soviet Russians, Nazis, Imperial Japanese, Fascist Italians, and Medieval Crusaders, and threw them haphazardly in a blender with results that are... again, not so good, to put it kindly.

I've seen worse, but ehhhhhhhh.

The minigun is OK, and I like the mask on the minigunner, but other than that, swing and a miss. Maybe a killer paint job would help some, but I don't know.

I'm rather pleased with them, to be honest. I don't need these (I built mine from WGF Shock Troopers and Cadian bits), but I'll get them to support the company and the line.

RatBot wrote:And it's like they took Soviet Russians, Nazis, Imperial Japanese, Fascist Italians, and Medieval Crusaders, and threw them haphazardly in a blender with results that are... again, not so good, to put it kindly.

In the grim darkness of the non-GW future, there are only blended armies!

I love these and will be getting a few boxes I LIKE the sitting pose as thats how these style of weapons are used.The sculpt looks fine to me (compared to GWs god awfull IG) And if I can save some money buying gloriefied wound markers I am all for it.

I like them. If I ever get done painting the goodly amount of models i have (realistcly 4 months if i push myself and batchpaint the rankers) I could see loading up on these (unless Mantic's corporation in jan looks better.....that or i find more warzone on the cheapzors.)

That katana IS weird. Maybe they were watching Godzilla: Final Wars when they decided on that. And then never stopped to think if it was actually a good idea.

Absolutionis wrote:From TGNews, New Pictures are up of the whole sprue and assembly:

Spoiler:

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/announcements/assemble-shock-troop-heavy-weapons-and-sprues

Assembled models:





Sprues:

I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Except not at all. Even if you hate the look of the Catachans and Cadians, they're still clearly better sculpted models. In what way are the WFG "miles ahead" other than attempting to pull of a look that you happen to find more interesting.

I get the impression that their arms are at least as long as their legs, if not longer. Which I'm pretty sure is a little unnatural. It's most obvious on the pointing guy.

The kneeling legs make these less terrible than I was expecting, and the gatling gun is cool. Now I'm wondering the kneeling legs could be used in place of the sitting ones. On the other hand, I'm a bit irritated with the decision to go with a katana for the officer's sword, as it kinda comes completely out of nowhere - there's really not a huge Japanese influence on these. A saber would've fit much better, I feel.

Don't you mean Lightsaber?

Chrysis wrote:I get the impression that their arms are at least as long as their legs, if not longer. Which I'm pretty sure is a little unnatural. It's most obvious on the pointing guy.

I personally enjoy the orangutan with the sword thing, and how the gunner sitting on his ass and leaning forward still comes up the officers shoulders.

I understand that they're cheap, and that's great, but why are people so adamant in supporting these guys? Did they get a production discount if their miniatures were awful? Give your money to someone doing something good, don't reward the barely acceptable just because there are no other alternatives.

plastictrees wrote:I understand that they're cheap, and that's great, but why are people so adamant in supporting these guys? Did they get a production discount if their miniatures were awful? Give your money to someone doing something good, don't reward the barely acceptable just because there are no other alternatives.

Don't come here bashing other people for their opinions while placing your own on a pedestal. You think they're terrible and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the figures are inarguably bad by any stretch.

plastictrees wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Except not at all. Even if you hate the look of the Catachans and Cadians, they're still clearly better sculpted models. In what way are the WFG "miles ahead" other than attempting to pull of a look that you happen to find more interesting.

The Cadians are well done but just visually uninteresting. And Catachans are better sculpted? really?

Aestheitc arguments aside, the basic greatcoats had 3 head options and 2 gun options + 2 special weapons on half a GW sprue. One thing they got is buyers like options so they gave us plenty. Imagine if the Cadians included not just the football helmet but also a gasmask and a tin pot option, how much better the kit would be.

I think Cadians are reasonably interesting to look at - they have enough of the old school Russian cannon fodder and enough sci-fi cannon fodder that you have a lot of different options with them.

These on the other hand seem to be a race of giant headed pygmies who scavenge clothing and equipment from the BBC props department of the 80's.

I like this pointing commander guy but the rest are not my cup of tea.

As with the basic troopers, these will work fine for my traitor guard.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

plastictrees wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm not blown away but I can live with them. I mean really, guys, have you ever given the Catachans or Cadians a good look? These might not be great but they're miles ahead of Rambo or the Football helmets.

Except not at all. Even if you hate the look of the Catachans and Cadians, they're still clearly better sculpted models. In what way are the WFG "miles ahead" other than attempting to pull of a look that you happen to find more interesting.

The Cadians are well done but just visually uninteresting. And Catachans are better sculpted? really?

They're ridiculous, but they're clearly better sculpted. The Catachans manage to stick to the same scale within their own sprue for a start. Even the stiff legged leering drunk Catachan has a certain level of detail that these saggy blobs are lacking.


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SkaerKrow wrote:

plastictrees wrote:I understand that they're cheap, and that's great, but why are people so adamant in supporting these guys? Did they get a production discount if their miniatures were awful? Give your money to someone doing something good, don't reward the barely acceptable just because there are no other alternatives.

Don't come here bashing other people for their opinions while placing your own on a pedestal. You think they're terrible and that's fine, but that doesn't mean that the figures are inarguably bad by any stretch.

Is there another part of the forum where I am allowed to do that?
This isn't fine art appreciation. There's only a certain amount of subjectivity that can be employed here. They are a very poor demonstration of the craft of model sculpting. If you like the product, hurray for you, I'm sure your army of these guys will look great on the table. As individuals, close up, they are of unequivocally poor quality.

How'd I manage to miss the HW pic and the box art?

I'll give kudos to WGF for getting back to the basic trooper look (I rather liked the original trooper design and was fairly active on the WGF forums during it's inception) and improving the position for the gunner. The new pose has lots of possibilities for a gunner leaning against a wall, or sitting on sandbag. Unfortunately, I don't see the new sitting pose as working for a Missile launcher or mortar.

However, the gun is just terrible. Who in the heck thought that the weapons of the future would be a minifridge with a tripod and a barrel sticking out the side! Perhaps they need a place to keep their cola's cold?

As always, I reserve final judgement for the actual product and maybe the final result will convince me. However, all these pics do is make me really glad I held off on investing in the shocktroops and bought a platoon of old Shockforce Not-IG instead.

EDIT: Just saw the pics of sprues and final figs.
Bad
-Commander arms are territble. Like they can't decide whether they're a blouse or musculature. Just plain bad sculpting
-Laser and Minigun are not well done. Even if you liked the twin barrels, the sculpting on them is very soft.
-Commander heads are just badly done
-8 figs for 20 bucks isn't a great deal compared to their earlier releases, even with the extra bits and HW's.

Good
-Better variation of legs for firers
-Missile launcher and mortar are good looking sculpts
-Commander Torsos are nice and the long coats aren't terribly bad.


Conclusion, most of the Bads could be fixed by
-Splicing commander hands/forearms onto Shock Trooper arms
-Buying some Pig Iron heads to replace the bad commander heads
-Replacing the minigun and laser with Heavy weapons from any of the many aftermarket companies out there.

In the end you'd have a pretty good force for not alot of $. I like converting and modding and with the adjustments listed above I'd be proud to put it on the table. Strait from the box however, they have unacceptable (to me) flaws and are not up to my standards.

I don't hate them, I think they look ok with the exception of the KFC Bucket Hat.

I think they're good enough. The officers remind me of this guy http://romanticallyapocalyptic.com/31

lord_blackfang wrote:I think they're good enough. The officers remind me of this guy http://romanticallyapocalyptic.com/31

Wow, I've never seen that comic before. Absolutely Brilliant!

That comic is awesome

Love the art style and sense of humour.

plastictrees wrote:

biccat wrote:Probably gonna get flamed for this...but the detail on the clothing is much better on these models than on the current Imperial Guardsmen.

The proportions of the models and their helmets really is a killer tho.

I don't see why you'd get flamed for expressing your opinion (haha, what am I saying). I do think you're completely wrong though. The folds and hang of the WFG models has a pretty tenuous basis in reality, as though the sculptor had clothes described to him or had one photo of a women in a dress from which to extrapolate all his information on the way cloth works.

I'm curious as to which elements you think are done better.

The greatcoats on the officers, pants on the soldiers, and particularly the hat of the officer holding the Katana.

Although I suppose if you're used to the appearance of GW's figures and their "a crease here, a fold there" IG troops, you might find these unusual. It's like when people post pictures of appropriately scaled humans not having the GW gorilla features. Lots of people think they look weird.

biccat wrote:

plastictrees wrote:
I'm curious as to which elements you think are done better.

The greatcoats on the officers, pants on the soldiers, and particularly the hat of the officer holding the Katana.

I'm a fraid I disagree with you on most counts. The pants on the soldiers may be comparable but...

-The officer's cap is not well proportioned to the head, especially if you're looking at it as being less-heroic. Considering the head is enclosed in a mask, picture the unmasked head with the cap on top. It's more oversized than the worst of the giant soviet officer's caps.

-The Officer greatcoats are niether realistically sculpted, or effectively heroicly sculpted. The one with the fur collar isn't bad, but the one matched with the French Foreign Legion cap (another terrible hat) flows like a lightweight bathrobe. Further, the sleeves on the officer's greatcoats are a bad mix of a lightweight woman's blouse, and overblown arm musculature.

It's fair enough if you prefer the style of the sculpting of the greatcoats, but from all the pictures I've seen the quality, cleanliness and amount of detail on the greatcoats is not an improvement over the Cadians.

Agreed with those points, quality wise the greatcoats are far from exceeding what GW has done years ago

More info I suppose

Wargames Factory is pleased to announce the first expansion to their Alien Suns Range – Shock Trooper Heavy Weapons Teams. Sprue and production models preview.
Product specs are:

Retail $19.95
Set contains 3-Heavy Weapons Sprues and Crews (6-figures and weapons) plus 1-Officer Sprue (2-figures).
There are a variety of heads and other options plus loads of extra heavy weapons.
Figures are 28mm and compatible with many popular sci-fi wargames
There are 4-different weapons that can be made from this set including:
Heavy Energy Cannon
Dual Multi-Bareled Chan Gun
Mortar
Anti-Tank Rocket Launcher
Availability – mid to late-September 2011

I was just going to say that they weren't much less than Cadian HW's, but then I checked the price of Cadian HW Squads. 38 bucks for 3!

At that comparison, you could throw out the officers (by far the weakest figs in the set), and only use the Mortars and ML's and it would still be a pretty great deal!

Just to assuage comments posted earlier in this thread: Sitting behind the weapon is standard for heavy machineguns when they are mounted on a tripod. I was an infantryman for 4 years and my specialty was the M240, M2, and Mk19 Heavy Machineguns. So, the WGF minis seated behind their weapons would work if the guns were man-portable.

The reason for this practice is recoil and control. When firing these big guns, even if they are supported by a tripod, the rounds have a tendency to be off target. By pressing ones feet down on the legs of the tripod, a machinegunner can get a more controlled burst of fire and be on-target more often. This practice enhances the killing power of the aforementioned weapons.

As for the models, I think they could work if Cadian parts were used. I like my IG to look cohesive but converted, adding my own flavor to 40K armies is the only way I'll roll. I'm in agreement with most of the commens about the officers. Pig Iron heads and Cadian parts are the only way to go here, the sculpts are sub-par. Although, its refreshing WGF is making these minis as I always wanted to see Greatcoat Guard.

Baby's first heavy weapon.

The Mad Tanker wrote:Baby's first heavy weapon.

ENTIRE TEAM IZ BABIES!

Not impressed. Then again I only used the bodies from the frst set and added Cadian arms/weapons/kit and Pig Iron heads to make some Cadians w/ great coats...

I'm having a feeling the negative comments get deleted from the site. That's why there's no negative feedback, the "webmaster" must approve all posts.

That's not actual feedback, it's tailored feedback.

Don't like your models, or your website, good luck down the road with something that doesn't look like I pulled it out of the $2 bin at Kmart.

Kreedos wrote:I'm having a feeling the negative comments get deleted from the site. That's why there's no negative feedback, the "webmaster" must approve all posts.

That's not actual feedback, it's tailored feedback.

Yea this is likely true. You'd be surprised at the amount of deleted posts on the forums. Also they have a facebook page, I bet everything there is also filtered. Now they dont go on a super censoring rampaging spree (there is still quite a lot of constructive criticism on their forums last i checked) But lets just say that if half of these dakka posts were submitted, I probably wouldnt see a lot

Kreedos wrote:I'm having a feeling the negative comments get deleted from the site. That's why there's no negative feedback, the "webmaster" must approve all posts.

That's not actual feedback, it's tailored feedback.

Don't like your models, or your website, good luck down the road with something that doesn't look like I pulled it out of the $2 bin at Kmart.

I wouldn't be surprised. Uhg, and that company has so much potential. The ability to put out cheap, decent casting quality sprues of plastic, based on any concept and image that their 3d artists can come up with? I'd kill to have their resources!

Hm, looks like I missed these (being out of the country). Yeah, can't really add anything other than the same feeling of tremendous lost potential. The 3d designers at WGF do not appear to have enough experience with their craft since the cloth details seem to consistently give them problems.

Seeing the sprues, I think they're OK... not worth quite all the hate they seem to have received here, but not specatcular... certainly passable to blend in with their other models and add heavy weapons.

RiTides wrote:Seeing the sprues, I think they're OK... not worth quite all the hate they seem to have received here, but not specatcular... certainly passable to blend in with their other models and add heavy weapons.

I agree, it's a fine way to add heavy weapons. It's the officers that I think completely missed the mark.

They've gone a long way from being a company that actively sought wishlists to one that just throws a more or less finished product down and says deal with it. The original greatcoats did have some semblance of design input from the potential customer base; these just appeared one day and the initial renders were roundly condemned.
If the new "sculptor" has a better understanding of human anatomy than the previous one as their website crudely claims, it's not apparent in this set.

I think its now for sale

http://www.wargamesfactory.com/webstore/alien-suns/shock-troop-heavy-weapons-1

Whos gonna be the brave soul to buy a set and review it?

Wait... That is the only pic of the model WGF have of the team on the site, not the best paintjob I have ever seen tbh!

Still. at $20 CAD, what do you expect?

EDIT: Make that $20 USD

Commander Cain wrote:Wait... That is the only pic of the model WGF have of the team on the site, not the best paintjob I have ever seen tbh!

WGF has a low budget methinks when it comes to painters. I mean sure its not going to be GW quality but other companies have some decent folks

Wow, that paintjob somehow makes the models look even worse. I am impressed that they managed to do that.

Hey, bad paint jobs in official minis are good... I mean, you buy them, paint them, and your miniatures will look better than the ones in display: you are a great painter

I just got my box in the mail last week and I have to say I'm really pleased with the whole thing. People talk alot about the "quality" of the minis, but for me any substitute that's 1/2 the price but 80% as good is a win. The nice thing is the amount of options on each sprue. If you don't like the new Darth Vader heads there are two of the original heads to use. The sitting legs look much improved over the original 3D renders, though are still a bit strange. Good news is the kneeling legs are well done and the weapons look good too imo. The officer sprue is a real bonus though. I was looking for something to make some commissars and these will do nicely. Swap in some imperial looking weapons and poof! ready. Oh, and another nice thing is NO bases on their feet to cut off.

So if you're interested I can recommend them. I was a little late to the party and started an army of the shock troops this summer ... so these came out just in time for me. For the first two squads I used a mix of Imperial guard parts, but now at least there is an option that looks like the rest of the army.

SauceCaptain wrote:
So if you're interested I can recommend them. I was a little late to the party and started an army of the shock troops this summer ... so these came out just in time for me. For the first two squads I used a mix of Imperial guard parts, but now at least there is an option that looks like the rest of the army.

Good to hear from someone who has them. Could you post some comparison next to GW figs? I'd really like to see how they look side by side.