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Post by: alphaomega
A true relic of the hallowed days of the Great Crusade, and of the heights of technological achievement once reached by the Imperium of Mankind, the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought was a mainstay of the armoured might of the Astartes Legions of old. Larger and stronger than standard pattern Dreadnoughts, the Contemptor’s systems featured many examples of techno-arcana steeped in the sacred mysteries of the Legio Cybernetica.
Due to their spearhead assault role in the epic battles of the Great Crusade, losses were high amongst these potent war machines, and in the shadowed aftermath of the Heresy the ability to produce or maintain the Contemptor was all but lost. However, some Chapters still boast these war-relics amongst their ranks, and whenever the Contemptor takes to the field of battle it is an echo of the power of ancient days.
The Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought, designed by Will Hayes, is a detailed full resin kit that allows any Space Marine (or Chaos Space Marine) army to field one of these ancient war machines. Will has also designed two unique weapon options: a Contemptor Pattern Lascannon Arm and a Contemptor Pattern Close Combat Arm (Fist). These two weapons can be used on either side of the Dreadnought body, which is itself a fully poseable miniature.
Experimental rules for this storied and ancient Dreadnought are available to download now from the Forge World website, and this kit and its weapon arms are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing 25th July.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CONTEMPTOR_PATTERN_DREADNOUGHT_BODY.html
Carcharodons Transfer Sheet
Packed with well over 500 individual transfers, the Carcharodons Transfer Sheet is a hotly-anticipated addition to Forge World’s range of A4 transfer sheets. Kenton Mills has crammed onto it Chapter badges sized for both infantry and vehicles, heraldic blazons, Void Maw devices and a wide range of different sigils and devices that denote an individual Carcharodon warrior’s record of carnage across the stars, albeit in a manner that ensures his deeds may only be read by another Astartes of this ill-famed and sinister Chapter.
The Carcharodons Transfer Sheet is available to order now for immediate despatch
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Post by: Platuan4th
New Dreadnought? Must have! My Deathwing will thank me.
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Post by: Swara
I can't decide if I like that dread or not.. really like the rules for it though.
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Post by: MajorTom11
I loves it.... this is pretty big news!
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Post by: Kanluwen
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like.
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Post by: Armorum Ferrum
Truly Epic  thanks FW
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Post by: greenskin lynn
woo, legs that look functional, and taken from a anime mech, but its ok
but seriously, thats a damn cool dread
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Kanluwen wrote: And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like.  I can agree with that. In fact, I'll go as far as suggesting that I'll be disappointed if I don't see some Grey Knight armies with one doing the ole 'counts as' shuffle within the year.
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Post by: Ratius
Verrrrrrry cool. And 30 dabloons, not too bad value.
Arms sold seperately :(
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Post by: alphaomega
Kanluwen wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like. 
That is what I plan to do with it Kan.
It should make an epic Dreadknight
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Post by: I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly
Retro space marines are all very well . . . does anyone know when IA 11 is actually coming out? I couldn't find any info on their website.
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Post by: Ratius
Ha love the way they censored some of its weapon options under the rules section.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Ratius wrote:Verrrrrrry cool. And 30 dabloons, not too bad value.
Doesn't include arms, and looks almost like standard Dreadnought arms won't fit on it. 7.50 GBP per arm.
The CCW arm looks like it is set up, however, so that it can have the fist 'rotated' with very little work to create a Furioso.
Kind of like that... Automatically Appended Next Post: I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:Retro space marines are all very well . . . does anyone know when IA 11 is actually coming out? I couldn't find any info on their website.
IA11 is supposedly coming out end of July/mid August. Somewhere in there.
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Post by: kronk
Agreed, Kan.
I'm liking the invulnerable saves this thing gets.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
The Dread looks cool. I think it would have a neat application as an Ork model as well. It would require some some cutting and calories burnt, but seeing a warboss stomping around in this thing would be fun.
How are the rules? The rules link isn't loading a page for me.
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Post by: alphaomega
Still at £45 for a model that would get a lot of use, and looks awesome to boot.
Not that bad all things considered.
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Post by: kronk
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
How are the rules? The rules link isn't loading a page for me.
Excellent, in my opinion. This Link isn't working for you?
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Post by: Kanluwen
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
How are the rules? The rules link isn't loading a page for me.
The rules aren't too bad. It's restricted in what it can have for weaponry, with several things crossed off as 'Forbidden'.
Also, Chaos players...rejoice!
Forge World Experimental Rules wrote:A Space Marine Contemptor Dreadnought is an Elites Choice in
a Codex Space Marine, Codex Dark Angels, Codex Space Wolves,
Codex Blood Angels or Codex Black Templars army. Until a
specific variant of this unit is featured in a forthcoming book, the
Contemptor as listed here may also be used in a Codex Chaos Space
Marines army.
Italics for emphasis.
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Post by: johnnyrumour
The rules are lovely  some blurred out options which I like, although I did have to download the new version of Acrobat so you might want to give that a go DarkTraveller
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:The CCW arm looks like it is set up, however, so that it can have the fist 'rotated' with very little work to create a Furioso.. 1. It mentions that in the description in the first post. 2. It's already allowed 2 DCCWs, why would it need to proxy a Furioso? For everyone looking to make a Dreadknight out of it, it's a bit short.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Platuan4th wrote:
For everyone looking to make a Dreadknight out of it, it's a bit short.
Pft. Maybe the Dreadknight is too tall!
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Post by: kronk
Kanluwen wrote:Platuan4th wrote:
For everyone looking to make a Dreadknight out of it, it's a bit short.
Pft. Maybe the Dreadknight is too tall!
That's what Hirst Arts Blocks are for. Build up the base until the height is right.
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Post by: DarkTraveler777
The link is working now. Thanks! For whatever reason when I clicked the link in my FW e-mail the page went nowhere.
Pretty neat that the Dread can be used by Chaos.
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Post by: Ratius
I'd actually turn it into a hth assault rig.
Immune to str4 or less in combat.
6+ save in hth.
Add an extra CCW arm. Thats 4 attacks on the charge, WS5, str7, no armor save due to walker.
Upgrade the SBs to HFs and sweep away.
Also has fleet so can close much faster then a regular Dread.
Tasty.
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Post by: johnnyrumour
Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:The CCW arm looks like it is set up, however, so that it can have the fist 'rotated' with very little work to create a Furioso..
1. It mentions that in the description in the first post.
2. It's already allowed 2 DCCWs, why would it need to proxy a Furioso?
For everyone looking to make a Dreadknight out of it, it's a bit short.
I think he means 'so Blood Angels players can use it as a Furioso'... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf
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Post by: Valkyrie
Me likey!!
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Post by: reds8n
johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf 
I was wondering about those too.
Especially with regards to what else it might be allowed other than extra armour and a searchlight... ? Or more pertinently why we wouldn't be allowed to know this yet ? Wonder what they're cooking up.
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Post by: Miraclefish
Oh hells yes. This is exactly what the Dreadnought should look like. It seems to be articulated in a way which would allow it to, you know, move and stuff.
Also, Dreadknight ahoy!
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Post by: zedmeister
Nice model. Looks like a marine in an Exosuit rather than the box on legs that looks like it shouldn't walk! So that's the contemptor, wonder if we'll see the Deredeo and Furibundus (Fury, Chuck and Eddy!) class return.
Liking the reference to the Legio Cybernetica - a cryptic reference to the return of the said division for the Adeptus Mechanicus. Maybe there are plans afoot to re-do the old 40k robots? Oh and please hurry up and get the Sons of Medusa a transfer sheet!
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Post by: Kirasu
Hm time to get a few of these because I obviously need more blood angel models
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Post by: Saintspirit
What timing - just when I needed mechanical legs.
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Post by: alphaomega
Ratius wrote:I'd actually turn it into a hth assault rig.
Immune to str4 or less in combat.
6+ save in hth.
Add an extra CCW arm. Thats 4 attacks on the charge, WS5, str7, no armor save due to walker.
Upgrade the SBs to HFs and sweep away.
Also has fleet so can close much faster then a regular Dread.
Tasty.
It would be immune to Str 6 or less in combat seeing as it is AV 13 on the front.
Plus S10 from Dreadnought Close combat weapons
Makes it a brute really.
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Post by: johnnyrumour
reds8n wrote:johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf 
I was wondering about those too.
Especially with regards to what else it might be allowed other than extra armour and a searchlight... ? Or more pertinently why we wouldn't be allowed to know this yet ? Wonder what they're cooking up.
Well the little boxout mentions specific CSM rules in a future book so maybe the 'final' version will feature these as visible options.
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Post by: His Master's Voice
"A Space Marine Contemptor Dreadnought is an Elites Choice in a Codex Space Marine, Codex Dark Angels, Codex Space Wolves, Codex Blood Angels or Codex Black Templars army. Until a specific variant of this unit is featured in a forthcoming book, the Contemptor as listed here may also be used in a Codex Chaos Space Marines army."
Hmmmm.
Anyway, I hope some random Mechanicus explorator team uncovers the STC for those and we'll ditch the horrid walking boxes altogether.
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Post by: Necros
wow, looks really great. Puts the regular model to shame. But I dunno why it needs it's own rules, just use it as a regular one if it has the same weapon options...
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Post by: Kid_Kyoto
Kanluwen wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like. 
SMEXY!
For those of you too young to remember this is what the Epic Space Marine dreads looked like back in the day, it was a bridge between the fugly RT dreads and the fugly angry washing machines we have today.
I love it.
I actually find myself wondering if $75 is really that much money.
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Post by: Ratius
It would be immune to Str 6 or less in combat seeing as it is AV 13 on the front.
Plus S10 from Dreadnought Close combat weapons
Makes it a brute really.
Very true!
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Post by: ceorron
It is interesting to see GW and FW, with all this "pre-heresy" stuff, is re-writting not only the fictional history, piece but also masking it's true history.
I remember the REALLY old GW dread and it looked nothing like this so this has me wondering what model is this a modern interpretation of?
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Post by: Bolognesus
Oh fething... Guess who just got 3 mk.IV dreads for a pre-heresy army...
Ohwell. Guess im going to be rather dreadheavy like this ^^
Anyway, now on to the mk.iii and mk.iv assault squads and maybe some ph termies? That would be sweet!
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Post by: BrookM
Holy gak, I actually want one of those.
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Post by: Popsicle
SHUT UP AN TAKE MY MONEY, FORGEWORLD!
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Post by: Commander Cain
Only last week was I thinking how much I hate those angry walking washing machines and then FW gives us a blast from the past with an incredible looking dred. By the look of it, it is completley poseable, legs and all! Liking the nod towards termie armour above the head, subtle but effective. Honestly there is nothing bad about this model at all with the tiny exception of the 'fins' on the lascannons, and a quick snip will deal with them! Cain
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Post by: Breotan
Quick! Someone buy one and put those legs on a standard dread body. I want to see if it makes the current dread look any better.
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Post by: whitedragon
Can has for Chaos Please...
Oh wait, I can!
Joy. I'm using this in like every game from now on!
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Right, just bought one and I'm wondering if I should have bought two...
That doesn't happen often, you know.
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Post by: inqscott
Dang, there goes my wallet again. Damn you forgeworld! You continue to take my money, now I must wait till it gets here.
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Post by: redeyed
nice looking dread, also like the bit of Chaos teaser info!
forbidden options will prob be for the chaos variant!
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Post by: soncka
Oh, I like that Dreadnought.
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Post by: Kirasu
ceorron wrote:It is interesting to see GW and FW, with all this "pre-heresy" stuff, is re-writting not only the fictional history, piece but also masking it's true history.
I remember the REALLY old GW dread and it looked nothing like this so this has me wondering what model is this a modern interpretation of?
Perhaps if the modelling technology and resources were available back then it WOULD Look like this. Gotta remember that the models from that era were awful because the technology was primitive
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Post by: Hits_the_spot
I gotta say, i don't normally get to excited about FW stuff. But..... lately, they have be putting out some great looking pieces. Particularly in the SM parts, this is by far and large my utmost favourite. But £45. not sure.
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Post by: Platuan4th
ceorron wrote: I remember the REALLY old GW dread and it looked nothing like this so this has me wondering what model is this a modern interpretation of? As Kyoto said, they're reminiscent of the old Epic models, but are also lifted straight from the Visions of Heresy artbook and Horus Heresy card game. They're almost scarily accurate to that art.
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Post by: ceorron
Kid_Kyoto wrote: For those of you too young to remember this is what the Epic Space Marine dreads looked like back in the day, it was a bridge between the fugly RT dreads and the fugly angry washing machines we have today. I love it. Thanks Kid_Kyoto for clearing that up for me. I remember the RT dread but not the original Epic Space Marine dread, must be that that was the real inspiration. Cheers Edit : Thanks Platuan4th as well! Automatically Appended Next Post: http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/4499/dsc02075uz3.jpg
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Post by: Ouze
I can't believe you guys are liking that. I love Dreads but this looks like a fat little Gundam to me.
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Post by: Acardia
yeah, this may make my wish list rather quick.
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Post by: Heliodore
Wow, and I had just concluded I didn't need any more FW models. I even bitzed up a version of this guy not too long ago, if I had known they were really making one I'd have saved myself the trouble. Yup, definately picking him up!
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Post by: zedmeister
ceorron wrote:[
Thanks Kid_Kyoto for clearing that up for me. I remember the RT dread but not the original Epic Space Marine dread, must be that that was the real inspiration.
Here's a picture of the plastic Epic dreadnought:
http://www.galactic-intrigue.com/epicollector/Pages/2-Catalog/SpaceMarine-Catalog/Marines-Photos/NoughtsBots-PlasticDreadnought.jpg
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Post by: Pilau Rice
Likes.
Looks much like the ones from the Sabretooth CCG.
I can imagine this walking about more than the current Dreadnoughts.
Kid_Kyoto wrote:fugly RT dreads.
I liked the Furibundus one but the others looked a bit lanky.
Here's the old Epic dreads
http://zachary.org/games/gw/epic10.jpg
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Post by: ChocolateGork
OMG it can actually walk properly.
I am going to get some when the IA rules come out! Automatically Appended Next Post: Hits_the_spot wrote:I gotta say, i don't normally get to excited about FW stuff. But..... lately, they have be putting out some great looking pieces. Particularly in the SM parts, this is by far and large my utmost favourite. But £45. not sure.
Including shipping its cheaper than Aussie retail.
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Post by: warboss
Even though my cup runeth over with GW hate since April, I have to admit that dreadnought looks really cool and goes with their recent marine pre-heresy trend.
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Post by: Medium of Death
Oh my sweet messiah.
Sign me up for a minimum of 3.
aaaaaaaaaand there's a chaos one on the way!
Somebody catch me, I think i'm going to faint...
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Post by: Mr. Burning
Somebody took the Tactical out of Tactical dreadnought Armour.
Just enough of a nod to the curvy RT era dreads as well as a link to termies.
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Post by: CrabstuffedMushrooms
Finally! A dreadnought that can play Football! My prayers are answered!!
Let the squig-punting begin!
...All he needs now is a tie and briefcase!
p.s. Are those Nikes?
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Post by: Koppo
Best...
Dreadnought...
Ever...
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Cough cough, gundam legs, cough cough.
Looks okay. I'd like to see a chaos version. It's possible that we might get something like this as our 'venerable'.
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Post by: Cypher's Sword
Kanluwen wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like. 
now THAT is a dreadknight I would buy, not a grey knight, on a grey knight.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Cypher's Sword wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like. 
now THAT is a dreadknight I would buy, not a grey knight, on a grey knight.
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Post by: Ouze
Platuan4th wrote:
Well played, sir.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Good to see they made finally made models of these guys:

I just hope they do some chapter specific ones. Also, I'm wondering if one of the "forbidden" weapons will be the twin-linked assault cannon, these have been depicted with?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Very impressed. It's the Epic Marine Dread. Never thought I'd see that design again. Nice.
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Post by: Asherian Command
I want one it is so awesome. And its not GW but forgeworld the place that actually cares about their stuff ^.^
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Post by: Foda_Bett
Well this has officially become my first Forgeworld Pre-order.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Platuan4th wrote:New Dreadnought? Must have! My Deathwing will thank me.
How many does that make now?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Ozymandias wrote:Platuan4th wrote:New Dreadnought? Must have! My Deathwing will thank me. How many does that make now?  6 DA Dreads 9 BA Dreads 1 Kitsune Guard Dread 1 GK Dread 1 TS Dread 1 RT era Dread for my Anarchist Legion I like Dreads, ok?
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
So nice. Must have for my DA. Wait Platuan4th already went there.
I want to see the other weapon options. I want to make mine a hellfire!!
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Post by: Happygrunt
Well, time to get the dust off of my old BA army... Automatically Appended Next Post: Wait, I can make this thing into a firebat... Alright FW, time to take my money.
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Post by: kenshin620
Good to see that FW can still make some good things!
Dont see how its too anime inspired, the legs look like really heavy industrial legs that would be from battletech or something
Also a dreadnought worth using for chaos (as of now)? Do want!
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Post by: Yggdrasil
I'm not really fond of it actually, as some said it looks a bit fat...
Reminds me of the Urbanmech from the Mechwarrior universe...
But one thing I LOVE is how the stormbolter is included within the palm of the DCCW : that's EPIC!!!
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Post by: Joshh
I had just promised myself "no more Marine models; they're getting boring" and now this brute comes along. Goddammit. There goes my EngChem textbook money.
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Post by: N'Ferno
Oh my Emperor! That looks GORGEOUS! I have way too much on my hobby plate but in the near future....it will be mine!
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Post by: Bloodwin
I like that they are doing something different but it reminds me of Buzz Lightyear. The red one is ok but I prefer the current ones event if they are totally impractical.
Edit: I think it can be sorted by swapping the legs and arms of this biggun' and combining it with the sarcophagus of the venerables.
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Post by: Hulksmash
I want measurements. It looks fairly close to me in height by the comparison to the Dreadnoughts...I want!
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Post by: DraconicGuardian
I think the model itself is awesome. Looking forward to seeing the Dreadknight conversions this spawns as well.
I am not in love with the rules, however.
I feel that Dreadnoughts are already pretty hard to kill...and now this one comes along with front armor 13...and basically gets a Flickerfield as well??? Seems overpowered to me. Like a Leman Russ with a Force Field. Do not like.
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Post by: army310
Dude this is great I'm getting 4. My Pre-Heresy Wolves and World Eaters need some Dreadnought love. Thank you Forgeworld.
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Post by: Kingsley
As it stands, the rules are a little mediocre (par for the course with FW), but the model is amazing. Another hit from FW, who have been on a roll in general lately. I just wish they'd make a resin combi-weapons kit, as this would both fill a gap in the product line and be awesome in its own right.
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Post by: Bolognesus
aka_mythos wrote:Good to see they made finally made models of these guys:

I just hope they do some chapter specific ones. Also, I'm wondering if one of the "forbidden" weapons will be the twin-linked assault cannon, these have been depicted with?
actually you'll find the weapon that dread is depicted as holding is already in the rules: it's a twin-linked autocannon. look at the ammo drums on the side, the it's a way too large caliber for an assault cannon, also the weapons seem to be one smooth barrel each. which is not very assault-cannon-ey
edit and just noticed, look at the support beam thingy running underneath the barrels, then look at the current dread twin-autocannon arms (have just painted 3 SETS of those, so I know what I'm talking about  )
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Post by: ChaosxVoid
I cannot take this dread seriously it makes me giggle far too much for me to ever own one it looks more on the ridiculous anime ghost in the shell mech side then a war torn depressive era machine, why is there more anime esk things in warhammer now, like the chibi hawk. anyway just my opinion (:
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Post by: Asherian Command
My Wanderers have access to all weapons. I want this and i shall paint in there colors
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Post by: warboss
Fetterkey wrote:As it stands, the rules are a little mediocre (par for the course with FW), but the model is amazing. Another hit from FW, who have been on a roll in general lately. I just wish they'd make a resin combi-weapons kit, as this would both fill a gap in the product line and be awesome in its own right.
An armor 13 dread with venerable stats and fleet as well as a 5+ invul for shooting is meh? FW doesn't have to come up with experimental broken rules like for the Achilles every time. Just giving vanilla marines an ironclad dread armor chassis with standard dread shooty weapons options and Death Company Dread movement (via fleet) and Space Wolf Bjorn-esque force field is plenty.
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Post by: monkeyh
First of all I don't like it much - it looks too much like anime mecha. I don't like the space marine helmet head. That said I hope it grows on me 'cos I like the stats. Fellow Chaos warriors everywhere - can I assume this dread - which I can use in my CSM army - doesn't have the 'Crazed' rule? If so I'm getting some! (Too many times have my dreadnoughts blasted the odd squad of CSM's away with a plasma cannon). I assume also as this is the 'Contemptor' we can look forward to the 'Furibundus' and 'Deredo' versions later on? For all you kids out there (post Rogue Trader) I attach a pic of the original trio (yes I know the paint jobs are rubbish, but I did them years ago when I was a nipper).
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Post by: Alpharius
Love it!
Although the Nitpick in me says I'll have to scrape off the Aquila if it is going to be Pre-Heresy/Crusade Era Dreadnought 'counts-as'.
I'll be picking up two... eventually!
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Post by: SickSix
It couldn't be possible that Forge world is feeling pressure from third party casters is it? Personally this could be seen as a pre-emptive strike to take money out of others hands. And I still like the alternative designs better. The legs on this one seem really out of place.
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Post by: Garuss Acine
ugh >< now i need to find a way to get the money, for 2-4 of these bad boys...for that awesomeness $75 is a tad much, but I want them badly! darn there goes my way of getting a used WOC army. now to add up how much I can save, and hope this stuff arrives before I have to leave for the states.
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Post by: monkeyh
Garuss Acine wrote:ugh >< now i need to find a way to get the money, for 2-4 of these bad boys...for that awesomeness $75 is a tad much, but I want them badly! darn there goes my way of getting a used WOC army. now to add up how much I can save, and hope this stuff arrives before I have to leave for the states.
I'm just glad I live in good old Blighty - £45 sound alot better than $75! (I know it's all the same - but phsycologically you know what I mean)
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Post by: pombe
Well played, GW, well played.
Nostalgia works very well on me, and you almost made me consider spending money on you.
Good thing I still have my old RT-era Dreadnoughts.
Now...if you redo some of these RT-era Terminators...well...I never got enough of those...
linky: http://carminethewolf.deviantart.com/art/SOTA-Rogue-Trader-Terminator-1-188315769?offset=10
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Post by: Medium of Death
Alpharius wrote:Love it!
Although the Nitpick in me says I'll have to scrape off the Aquila if it is going to be Pre-Heresy/Crusade Era Dreadnought 'counts-as'.
I'll be picking up two... eventually!
I'm hoping that, like the purity seals, they are optional extra's.
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Post by: whitedragon
Is it bad if the rules excite me more for Chaos than the idea of buying another model?
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Post by: monkeyh
Now you're talking! I used to have one of those (I sadly gave it to a mate who consequently had all his Warhammer stuff nicked) - but you rarely see them with the banner pole that went on the back. Rare as hens teeth now.
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Post by: Xca|iber
alphaomega wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Dreadknight should have looked like. 
That is what I plan to do with it Kan.
It should make an epic Dreadknight 
Likewise. I am so very happy now.
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Post by: Alpharius
Medium of Death wrote:Alpharius wrote:Love it!
Although the Nitpick in me says I'll have to scrape off the Aquila if it is going to be Pre-Heresy/Crusade Era Dreadnought 'counts-as'.
I'll be picking up two... eventually!
I'm hoping that, like the purity seals, they are optional extra's.
Good catch - it looks like you're right!
No scraping required - even more reason to purchase two now!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Alpharius wrote:Medium of Death wrote:Alpharius wrote:Love it!
Although the Nitpick in me says I'll have to scrape off the Aquila if it is going to be Pre-Heresy/Crusade Era Dreadnought 'counts-as'.
I'll be picking up two... eventually!
I'm hoping that, like the purity seals, they are optional extra's.
Good catch - it looks like you're right!
No scraping required - even more reason to purchase two now!
Wait, there's more reason needed to purchase more than one? I'm thinking like 4(2 for my DW, 2 for Chaos).
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Post by: carabine
Kanluwen wrote:Platuan4th wrote:
For everyone looking to make a Dreadknight out of it, it's a bit short.
Pft. Maybe the Dreadknight is too tall! QFT. I wanted the dreadknight to be a suit of armor a step above terminator armour, what I got was a bad mix of Aliens and 40k. Here comes FW to answer my hopes and dreams.
Now we're one model closer to pre heresy terminators. Now I'm dedicated to waiting atleast until IA 11 before I decide to just convert my own.
I've been trying to get taller dreads for years now, http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/292137.page about halfway down has one of my better attempts, lord knows I need to post my better looking successes.
Anyways I am definely buying several of these, one to convert to a chaplain, 2 into siege and one into an ironclad for several FW forces and one possibly apoc force
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Post by: Alpharius
FW ain't no dummies - Pre-Heresy sells.
I'm actually frightened over how many Pre-Heresy Terminators they'll soon be forcing me to purchase...
Also, while these will be for my True Scale Alpha legion force (especially as FW was so kind as to make them bigger than standard Dreadnoughts!), I've already got a nice Raven Guard Pre-Heresy Dread courtesy of our very own insaniak!
Pre-Heresy Dreadnought - Insaniak Pattern!
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
carabine wrote:QFT. I wanted the dreadknight to be a suit of armor a step above terminator armour, what I got was a bad mix of Aliens and 40k. Here comes FW to answer my hopes and dreams.
What was got was Matrix 3, and while that was one of the best scenes in the movie, did not stop it from being the crap-pile that it was. I agree, though, that this is an awesome Dreadknight proxy. I wonder how difficult it would be to use the DK arms on this bad boy...
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Post by: Mad4Minis
MajorTom11 wrote:I loves it.... this is pretty big news!
Agreed. The proportions are finally right. Looks like Im gonna have to get one...or more.
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Post by: Frazzled
alphaomega wrote:A true relic of the hallowed days of the Great Crusade, and of the heights of technological achievement once reached by the Imperium of Mankind, the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought was a mainstay of the armoured might of the Astartes Legions of old. Larger and stronger than standard pattern Dreadnoughts, the Contemptor’s systems featured many examples of techno-arcana steeped in the sacred mysteries of the Legio Cybernetica.
Due to their spearhead assault role in the epic battles of the Great Crusade, losses were high amongst these potent war machines, and in the shadowed aftermath of the Heresy the ability to produce or maintain the Contemptor was all but lost. However, some Chapters still boast these war-relics amongst their ranks, and whenever the Contemptor takes to the field of battle it is an echo of the power of ancient days.
The Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought, designed by Will Hayes, is a detailed full resin kit that allows any Space Marine (or Chaos Space Marine) army to field one of these ancient war machines. Will has also designed two unique weapon options: a Contemptor Pattern Lascannon Arm and a Contemptor Pattern Close Combat Arm (Fist). These two weapons can be used on either side of the Dreadnought body, which is itself a fully poseable miniature.
Experimental rules for this storied and ancient Dreadnought are available to download now from the Forge World website, and this kit and its weapon arms are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing 25th July.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/CONTEMPTOR_PATTERN_DREADNOUGHT_BODY.html
Carcharodons Transfer Sheet
Packed with well over 500 individual transfers, the Carcharodons Transfer Sheet is a hotly-anticipated addition to Forge World’s range of A4 transfer sheets. Kenton Mills has crammed onto it Chapter badges sized for both infantry and vehicles, heraldic blazons, Void Maw devices and a wide range of different sigils and devices that denote an individual Carcharodon warrior’s record of carnage across the stars, albeit in a manner that ensures his deeds may only be read by another Astartes of this ill-famed and sinister Chapter.
The Carcharodons Transfer Sheet is available to order now for immediate despatch
Finally a dreadnougth with appropriately sized legs. The legs would also go well with more traditional dreanought torsos.
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Post by: Alfhedil
Excellent maneuver FW. You have successfully prompted me into buying some of your product. Expect me to buy at least 4.
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Post by: Reecius
Yes. Yes, I will be getting one of those, thank you.
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Post by: Fafnir
Not gonna lie... I like the look of the Angry Washing Machine Dreads.
But I guess having something that looks even cooler is nice too.
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Post by: ShumaGorath
Yggdrasil wrote:I'm not really fond of it actually, as some said it looks a bit fat... Reminds me of the Urbanmech from the Mechwarrior universe... But one thing I LOVE is how the stormbolter is included within the palm of the DCCW : that's EPIC!!!
How the hell does it look less like an Urbanmech then the basic dreadnaught? Fetterkey wrote:As it stands, the rules are a little mediocre (par for the course with FW), but the model is amazing. Another hit from FW, who have been on a roll in general lately. I just wish they'd make a resin combi-weapons kit, as this would both fill a gap in the product line and be awesome in its own right.
The rules seem ok to me. It's got the armor of an iron clad and the ability to ignore lethal hits like the venerable while having good ranged or close weapon options. Fleet gives it superior ability to close then its competition as well. It's cost ends up similar to a high end venerable, and those aren't too bad for the package you're getting. First of all I don't like it much - it looks too much like anime mecha. I don't like the space marine helmet head.
This thing isn't anime at all. I'll be getting one!
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Post by: insaniak
I'm not entirely sold on the lascannon arms... looks awkward. And the legs don't quite match the design of the rest of the body.
But overall, I love it. A little more graceful than the one I made...
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Post by: ShumaGorath
insaniak wrote:I'm not entirely sold on the lascannon arms... looks awkward. And the legs don't quite match the design of the rest of the body.
But overall, I love it. A little more graceful than the one I made... 
They match the torso and arms quite well, the boxy rounded armor areas are pretty similar, as are the gears. The dreadnaught boxy shoulderpads throw it off a bit, but I think it's a nice touch.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Reminds me of Gundam Mobile Suit Z'Gok:
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Post by: JOHIRA
Yeah, not getting the claims that this is anime. Then again, if half of the things people on this board have called anime actually were anime then pretty much everything in existence was keyframed in an Osaka studio.
It's really a great model in a lot of ways. It shows the designers actually thought about the design before they sat down and started tacking on skullz. It really looks like a product of the same culture, but from an earlier time. I like it.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kroothawk wrote:Reminds me of Gundam Mobile Suit Z'Gok:

Anal retention time:
That's a Z'gok E, not a Z'gok.
This is a Z'gok:
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Post by: Sheck2
Double thumbs up...like the model and the rules.
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Post by: aka_mythos
ThomasPolder wrote:
actually you'll find the weapon that dread is depicted as holding is already in the rules: it's a twin-linked autocannon. look at the ammo drums on the side, the it's a way too large caliber for an assault cannon, also the weapons seem to be one smooth barrel each. which is not very assault-cannon-ey 
That wasn't the artwork that shows it with a twin-linked assault cannon. Its a different one.
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Post by: Jadenim
Finally the whole "Tactical Dreadnought Armour" thing makes sense!
I've never understood why they call Terminator armour that, because other than being as tough as nails they look nothing like dreadnoughts. But now they do. Or did. Or something.
Tense's are difficult when you're talking about a new imagining of a past to a future that was imagined in our past...
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Post by: Mad4Minis
monkeyh wrote:
I'm just glad I live in good old Blighty - £45 sound alot better than $75! (I know it's all the same - but phsycologically you know what I mean)
Yeah I hear that...sadly keeps me from ordering many things from England. I see the price and think "hey thats not bad", then realize "dammit thats pounds not dollars", which leads to "that means double the listed price, no thanks". Some things are worth it (like this new dread) but sadly many just arent.
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Post by: Llamahead
Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?
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Post by: insaniak
Jadenim wrote:I've never understood why they call Terminator armour that, because other than being as tough as nails they look nothing like dreadnoughts. But now they do. Or did. Or something.
I believe it's simply down to them originally being designed essentially as 'mini-dreadnoughts' for close-in fighting where regular Dreadnoughts wouldn't fit.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I really want to see a chaos interpretation of this guy done.
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Post by: Kingsley
warboss wrote:Fetterkey wrote:As it stands, the rules are a little mediocre (par for the course with FW), but the model is amazing. Another hit from FW, who have been on a roll in general lately. I just wish they'd make a resin combi-weapons kit, as this would both fill a gap in the product line and be awesome in its own right.
An armor 13 dread with venerable stats and fleet as well as a 5+ invul for shooting is meh? FW doesn't have to come up with experimental broken rules like for the Achilles every time. Just giving vanilla marines an ironclad dread armor chassis with standard dread shooty weapons options and Death Company Dread movement (via fleet) and Space Wolf Bjorn-esque force field is plenty.
Yeah, but it's priced high enough to make up for it, especially since you don't get Extra Armor. I love Dreadnoughts as much as the next guy (I have 8, including 3 Forge World Ironclads), but I definitely don't think I would field one of these.
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Post by: Andrew1975
That looks like the old epic scale dread.
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Post by: insaniak
That was already pointed out... along with a pic.
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Post by: Platuan4th
insaniak wrote:That was already pointed out... along with a pic.
Like 3 times, at that...
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Post by: Spartan089
Mad4Minis wrote:monkeyh wrote:
I'm just glad I live in good old Blighty - £45 sound alot better than $75! (I know it's all the same - but phsycologically you know what I mean)
Yeah I hear that...sadly keeps me from ordering many things from England. I see the price and think "hey thats not bad", then realize "dammit thats pounds not dollars", which leads to "that means double the listed price, no thanks". Some things are worth it (like this new dread) but sadly many just arent.
Exactly....why does the American dollar have to suck so much, there are so many FW models I want that the cost of shipping alone would be more than the model. I wish GW could establish a FW supplyer in the US.
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Edit: Reading fail
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Also edit: never mind then
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Post by: Andrew1975
Platuan4th wrote:insaniak wrote:That was already pointed out... along with a pic.
Like 3 times, at that...
Not with epic scale marines for size. Holy crap with arms that thing is $75 before shipping!
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Post by: Perkustin
I think it lacks a little detail, i am dissapointed in the lack of gubbins on it.
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Post by: ChiliPowderKeg
Imperial tech has never been so sexy.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Spartan089 wrote:Exactly....why does the American dollar have to suck so much, there are so many FW models I want that the cost of shipping alone would be more than the model. I wish GW could establish a FW supplyer in the US.
Even if they did that doesn't mean they would be any cheaper. If anything I'd expect a price hike for the "added convenience".
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Post by: Just Dave
Lovely looking model; really great. Almost as good looking as the standard dread for me.
More importantly however, I'm left wondering about the Chaos rules and what that suggests?
A - Chaos Model & Rules
B - Chaos featured in IA book
C - Chaos Codex - surely not!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Just Dave wrote:Lovely looking model; really great. Almost as good looking as the standard dread for me.
More importantly however, I'm left wondering about the Chaos rules and what that suggests?
A - Chaos Model & Rules
B - Chaos featured in IA book
C - Chaos Codex - surely not!
FW has already said that they're planning another Chaos IA set for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.
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Post by: Clang
If those DCCW arms are available separately, I can see converters using them on normal Dreads to make Furiosos.
The height (looks about 1cm taller than a standard Dread, judging by the FW photo) seems an odd choice, as surely many players would like to use one to count-as a standard Dread, but doing so will lead to shrill nerd-rage LoS arguments, especially during tournies. Using one to count-as a DreadKnight seems simpler - as a previous poster pointed out, stick it on a scenic base that brings it up to DK height.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Breotan wrote:Quick! Someone buy one and put those legs on a standard dread body. I want to see if it makes the current dread look any better.
This! I actually like the boxy washing machine look (as long as its one of the designs that has the little marine head cutout like this one does), but I hate the legs. I'm thinkin a combo of the two would look great!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Clang wrote:If those DCCW arms are available separately,
They are. It's just like FW's other Dreads: buy a body and at least 2 arms as 3 separate items.
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Post by: Andrew1975
I wonder if the new choas dread will also harken back to the old days too?
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Post by: Platuan4th
Andrew1975 wrote:I wonder if the new choas dread will also harken back to the old days too?
Gods, I hope so.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I just wish GW would do more to distinguish chaos... that would be a good thing.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
*rubbing his trousers in early 90's glee at a long awaited mid 90's Epic design made real in 40k scale*
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Post by: warpcrafter
Now all that FW needs to do is make some of the turtle-backed MKI. terminators. Then the pre-heresy possibilities would be endless...
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Post by: Andrew1975
I always liked that old chaos dread, but space crusade never really sold in America so i couldn't get one. Ive looked them up on ebay and thought the prices were obscene, but they are a lot cheaper than forge world.
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Post by: insaniak
Clang wrote:The height (looks about 1cm taller than a standard Dread, judging by the FW photo) seems an odd choice, as surely many players would like to use one to count-as a standard Dread, but doing so will lead to shrill nerd-rage LoS arguments, especially during tournies.
Going by the comparison picture they have up, while the top of the torso looks to be significantly taller than a regular Dreadnought, there's really very little difference in the height of the weapons.
And since LOS is taken from the weapons instead of the torso, using one of these in place of a regular dreadnought benefits your opponent, since it will be easier to draw LOS to the model, with much less improvement to LOS from it.
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Post by: Ouze
insaniak wrote:That was already pointed out... along with a pic.
In all fairness, the second pic makes it much easier to see what's going on.
And, oooohhh man, if they come out with that Chaos dread, I'm on that like misalignment on Finecast. I am such a sucker for chicken-legged mechs. I can't explain it, but always have been - Marauder IIc, Catapult, Vulture, Uziel, Mad Cat, all of them. I'd have to get whatever special character allows more Dreads.
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Post by: ShumaGorath
insaniak wrote:Jadenim wrote:I've never understood why they call Terminator armour that, because other than being as tough as nails they look nothing like dreadnoughts. But now they do. Or did. Or something.
I believe it's simply down to them originally being designed essentially as 'mini-dreadnoughts' for close-in fighting where regular Dreadnoughts wouldn't fit. Terminator armor was designed during the dark age of tech as reactor repair/space suits. It had no combat applications until the emperor retrofitted them much later to be heavy armor for spaceship boarding actions. Most ancient supertech in the imperium is toaster level stuff from when humanity was dominating known space and blowing out stars when they were in the way.
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Post by: carabine
Platuan4th wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Reminds me of Gundam Mobile Suit Z'Gok:

Anal retention time:
That's a Z'gok E, not a Z'gok.
This is a Z'gok:

Hah, good show old boy, too bad I wasn't around to catch that before you did.
insaniak wrote:Jadenim wrote:I've never understood why they call Terminator armour that, because other than being as tough as nails they look nothing like dreadnoughts. But now they do. Or did. Or something.
I believe it's simply down to them originally being designed essentially as 'mini-dreadnoughts' for close-in fighting where regular Dreadnoughts wouldn't fit.
I think he meant aestheticaly. Terminators of any design look nothing like current dreadnoughts. However this new design does have certain visual links to terminators both classic and modern.
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Post by: Spartan089
Platuan4th wrote:Just Dave wrote:Lovely looking model; really great. Almost as good looking as the standard dread for me.
More importantly however, I'm left wondering about the Chaos rules and what that suggests?
A - Chaos Model & Rules
B - Chaos featured in IA book
C - Chaos Codex - surely not!
FW has already said that they're planning another Chaos IA set for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.
I wish it was hinting at a new codex, for tournaments chaos players are stuck with some crazy team killing nutjob in a box for a dreadnought.
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Post by: Cyvash
I guess i might be the first one to say it, i the torso looks just like the one on the Fulgim horus heresy book cover
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Post by: insaniak
ShumaGorath wrote:...It had no combat applications until the emperor retrofitted them much later to be heavy armor for spaceship boarding actions.
...which would have been when it was labelled as 'Tactical Dreadnought Armour'...
carabine wrote:I think he meant aestheticaly. Terminators of any design look nothing like current dreadnoughts. However this new design does have certain visual links to terminators both classic and modern.
The aesthetics have little to do with the name. Although there was a mention somewhere that Terminator armour incorporates some armour plating from Dreadnoughts, which is another link.
It's also possibly worth pointing out that the original Dreadnoughts weren't permanent coffins... they were just a big battlesuit, that the driver could get into and out of. Essentially, just bigger Terminators, if somewhat differently designed. Automatically Appended Next Post: Cyvash wrote:I guess i might be the first one to say it, i the torso looks just like the one on the Fulgim horus heresy book cover
The Dreadnought on that book is the same style as is used throughout the Horus Heresy artwork. So yes, that link has already been mentioned...
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Post by: Heliodore
Haha, love those Space crusade dreads, they aren't hard to find via eBay, didn't they come in two sizes, dreadnought and jumbo-dreanought? (not counting the epic ones).
Yeah, not sure about calling it completely anime inspired, if so, anime from the early 90's and farther back, maybe Gigantor, or the first Gundam as some have pointed out. Actually, if I recall correctly, the Epic box set that this dread came with also included those space marine bikes that people have said look like the bike from Akira, so possibly older anime, which in my opinion is not a bad thing.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Not sure it came with the Bikes.
But yeah, said bikes were a tad Akiraesque. But the Guard ones? Straight out of Judge Dredd.
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Post by: EmperorsChampion
Oh man! I must have one of these for my templars, twin dread CCW! I just wish it could be put into a drop pod.
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Post by: Just Dave
Platuan4th wrote:FW has already said that they're planning another Chaos IA set for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.
Cracking. Thanks boss.
Ouze wrote:And, oooohhh man, if they come out with that Chaos dread, I'm on that like misalignment on Finecast.
*applauds*
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Post by: Heliodore
@Mr Mystery
Double checked on that, they were not on the same sprue, but they were released at the same time c 1990-1991. The bike was in a box labeled Epic Space Marines, and the dread that FW just brought back to life in 40k scale was in the box set called Epic Stompers!
http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/31727/games-workshop-epic-system-6mm-games-in-the-warham
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Post by: Alpharius
Just Dave wrote:Platuan4th wrote:FW has already said that they're planning another Chaos IA set for Tzeentch and Slaanesh.
Cracking. Thanks boss.
No doubt!
A Tzeentch and Slaanesh IA and models from FW?
Can't wait to see them... along with more Pre-Heresy stuff!
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Post by: Jadenim
Hi guys, yes I was talking aesthetically, although I get that the history of the names (and designs) is long and convoluted, both in the history of the game and the narrative.
insaniak wrote:It's also possibly worth pointing out that the original Dreadnoughts weren't permanent coffins... they were just a big battlesuit, that the driver could get into and out of. Essentially, just bigger Terminators, if somewhat differently designed.
Does this mean that Forgeworld are going to imply that maybe this dreadnought isn't actually a walking sarcophagus? Otherwise they're going to have to invent a bunch of 10,000+ year old heroes to pilot them. Having it as a suit would fit nicely with using it as a dreadknight too...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Dreadnoughts aren't necessarily continually piloted by one person. They aren't "made to order", the chassis is salvaged whenever possible and reused.
Sarcophagi and the pilots are stored until needed, usually in some form of suspended animation, which is why the Loyalist Dreadnoughts aren't madmen.
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Post by: Jadenim
Fair point.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
The xenos should be scared, it looks like this dreadnought can kick.
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Post by: army310
Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?
If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.
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Post by: Platuan4th
army310 wrote:Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?
If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig. Cygnar Warjacks designs have been around since 2001. Saying they stole a design from a 2007 book is time-traveling sorcery! That said, this design of dread has been around since older Epic editions, just smaller and much less detailed(to an extent that there's no similarity between Jacks and it).
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Post by: DeathGod
reds8n wrote:johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf 
I was wondering about those too.
Especially with regards to what else it might be allowed other than extra armour and a searchlight... ? Or more pertinently why we wouldn't be allowed to know this yet ? Wonder what they're cooking up.
The "Forbidden" parts seem to be fluff, not "to be released later" or something. Sort of like whenever a fluff page in a space marine codex refers to a traitor legion, or some =][= fluff refers to chaos, they will "redact" the "forbidden" knowledge in some way...
So the real question should be: "What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-heresy Mechanicus create for these monstrous war machines that are now too horrible for even the grimdark Imperium of Man to contemplate using?"
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Post by: army310
Wow I did know that PP has been around since then. All is sorcery their guy.
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Post by: Andrew1975
didn't they come in two sizes, dreadnought and jumbo-dreanought?
Yeah there was the one form space crusade that had 2 bolters and two main weapons, then the one form mission dreadnougt had 2 bolters and 4 main weapons. Neither had any CC weapons, but it wouldn't be hard to add arms. I thought the smaller one looked much better honestly.
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Post by: johnnyrumour
DeathGod wrote:reds8n wrote:johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf 
So the real question should be: "What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-heresy Mechanicus create for these monstrous war machines that are now too horrible for even the grimdark Imperium of Man to contemplate using?"
Or perhaps 'What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-Heresy Mechanicus create for these war machines that FW will now look at sculpting'...
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Post by: dienekes96
I assume both interpretations are correct. They are lost tech or too horrible to contemplate.
So they'll probably be sculpted for the Chaos Dreads.
Win-win.
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Post by: insaniak
Jadenim wrote:insaniak wrote:It's also possibly worth pointing out that the original Dreadnoughts weren't permanent coffins... they were just a big battlesuit, that the driver could get into and out of. Essentially, just bigger Terminators, if somewhat differently designed.
Does this mean that Forgeworld are going to imply that maybe this dreadnought isn't actually a walking sarcophagus?
I doubt it. The fluff has moved on since then.
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Post by: Eldar Craft
I've got to say I'm in loving the heresy dread. I have no kind of imperial army but i may buy this one
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Post by: Rinkydink
This absolutely rocks. Love the chassis, love the underslung weapons and really love the stormbolter in the frickin' hand!
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Post by: aka_mythos
Platuan4th wrote:army310 wrote:Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?
If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.
Cygnar Warjacks designs have been around since 2001. Saying they stole a design from a 2007 book is time-traveling sorcery!
That said, this design of dread has been around since older Epic editions, just smaller and much less detailed(to an extent that there's no similarity between Jacks and it).
This has been around since 1992... Jes Goodwyn's concept art
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Post by: Ehsteve
Is it me or does this thing look a tad more warmachine-esque than GW?
I do like the ability to hide tanks easier behind this new dreadnought. I also like the ability to bend the legs into dynamic poses. Had such a pain assembling my dreadknight I might consider substituting these instead. The only thing I need to know is how tall the contemptor dreads are and where they seperate at the hip (for the purpose of magnetisation and transportation)
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Post by: plastictrees
Have any of you even seen warjacks?
There's a pic of it next to a venerable dread on the FW page. Should be able to work the height out from that if you have a dreadknight and a dreadnought.
It looks like it has ball and socket joints at the hip and presumably a peg at the waist that fits into the torso?
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Post by: Platuan4th
aka_mythos wrote:Platuan4th wrote:army310 wrote:Llamahead wrote:Have to agree with Jadenim here. Really am tempted by this guy. Oh and looking at it am I the only one getting a bit of a Cygnar Warjack vibe from it?
If it does PP got it from GW this Dreadnought have been around for some time. At lest from 2007, it is in the book "The Horus Heresy Collected Visions" it an art book about the Horus Heresy. I wish he look like the one on page 302 that one crazy good looking. But again this fig.
Cygnar Warjacks designs have been around since 2001. Saying they stole a design from a 2007 book is time-traveling sorcery!
That said, this design of dread has been around since older Epic editions, just smaller and much less detailed(to an extent that there's no similarity between Jacks and it).
This has been around since 1992... Jes Goodwyn's concept art
It's almost like I mentioned that...
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Post by: ShumaGorath
Ehsteve wrote:Is it me or does this thing look a tad more warmachine-esque than GW?
I do like the ability to hide tanks easier behind this new dreadnought. I also like the ability to bend the legs into dynamic poses. Had such a pain assembling my dreadknight I might consider substituting these instead. The only thing I need to know is how tall the contemptor dreads are and where they seperate at the hip (for the purpose of magnetisation and transportation)
I don't think any of you have ever seen WARMACHINE models if you think this thing looks like one.
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Post by: plastictrees
ShumaGorath wrote:
I don't think any of you have ever seen WARMACHINE models if you think this thing looks like one.
I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...
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Post by: Ehsteve
plastictrees wrote:There's a pic of it next to a venerable dread on the FW page. Should be able to work the height out from that if you have a dreadknight and a dreadnought.
It should sit around 87.5mm or 3-1/2" by estimate...however actual confirmation would be nice for things like Battlefoam cases.
A Dreadknight sits around 105mm to 110mm or 4-1/5" to 4-2/5".
I'll shoot off an email to forgeworld and see what info I can get. However on a monster base the Contemptor will look pretty sweet because of all the extra space to model terrain.
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Post by: Cyvash
Now im thinking of kitbashing one of these, with elements from a gundam, defiler, and venerable
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Post by: Agamemnon2
plastictrees wrote:ShumaGorath wrote:
I don't think any of you have ever seen WARMACHINE models if you think this thing looks like one.
I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...
Don't quit your day job.
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Post by: gicks30
plastictrees wrote:
I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...

lol!
nice one
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Post by: Padre
Looking at the Jes Goodwin artwork and concept sketches...I just hope they release the assault cannon version! That picture absolutely rocks.
Am holding off on pre-ordering until word comes out of what other weapons variants will be available.
Padre^.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
DeathGod wrote:reds8n wrote:johnnyrumour wrote:... I like the blanked out bits in the rules pdf 
I was wondering about those too.
Especially with regards to what else it might be allowed other than extra armour and a searchlight... ? Or more pertinently why we wouldn't be allowed to know this yet ? Wonder what they're cooking up.
The "Forbidden" parts seem to be fluff, not "to be released later" or something. Sort of like whenever a fluff page in a space marine codex refers to a traitor legion, or some =][= fluff refers to chaos, they will "redact" the "forbidden" knowledge in some way...
So the real question should be: "What horribly destructive and devious weaponry did the pre-heresy Mechanicus create for these monstrous war machines that are now too horrible for even the grimdark Imperium of Man to contemplate using?"
twin linked conversion beamer maybe? or even more hoping... a graviton cannon?
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Post by: Padre
Well, in RT and 2nd Edition (if I remember correctly), conversion beamers WERE just another shoulder-mounted heavy weapon...
So, mounting them on a Heresy-era Dread would be plausible.
Padre^.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Conversion Beamers? Rapier-Laser Destroyers?
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Post by: fox-light713
I have to say this model will be my first purchase from Forge World once they come out with more weapon options for it and once I get the money together for it. It will be a nice addition for my SW army.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
H.B.M.C. wrote:Conversion Beamers? Rapier-Laser Destroyers?
we can hope that the rapier laser destroyers will come back via FW rules
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Post by: ShumaGorath
H.B.M.C. wrote:Conversion Beamers? Rapier-Laser Destroyers?
How about just a melta gun?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Why just a Meltagun?
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Post by: Alpharius
I know I'll be converting them to 'counts as' Ironclads, most likely.
Maybe Venerables too, actually...
And, I hope they eventually reveal the 'forbidden' tech, especially for those of us who want to have games during the Crusade and Heresy Eras.
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Post by: Armorum Ferrum
Amen Alpharius, I'm guessing there will be a release soon for some equipment attached above the head on those grids and where there are those two holes, maybe a havoc missle launcher ? Anyway I had to pre-order 2
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Post by: ShumaGorath
H.B.M.C. wrote:Why just a Meltagun?
Because it's the useful dreadnaught gun it doesn't get to take. Which is dumb.
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Post by: Synthetik
this will easily become my Dread for the RG , we luves the old gear in our chapters we do....
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Post by: Ehsteve
If I preorder now how long will it take to ship usually (I assume day or release or the next day?)
Really interested but if it's likely to take a month it won't really be worth my time.
ShumaGorath wrote:Because it's the useful dreadnaught gun it doesn't get to take. Which is dumb.
Can't you just take that as built-in on an ironclad DCCW?
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Post by: alphaomega
ShumaGorath wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Why just a Meltagun?
Because it's the useful dreadnaught gun it doesn't get to take. Which is dumb.
It can have a Multi Melta...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And we don't know that it can't have a Meltagun yet anyway.
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Post by: sennacherib
not really a fan of the robotech look. just saying.
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Post by: Sidstyler
...for 40k or in general?
It doesn't look "Robotech" to me...it looks like an updated version of the pre-heresy dreadnought that already existed.
Well...maybe the legs. I dunno.
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Post by: Ouze
plastictrees wrote:
I happen to think that the resemblance is uncanny...

Can't lie, I lol'd.
While I don't like this particular dread, it's apparently a big hit, which is a plus for FW. Still wish they'd do more Xeno's stuff though, or even weird alternate versions of current stuff, instead of the endless rooting around in the Heresy Era. I really dug the CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT even though I couldn't/wouldn't use it. Also would really like to see them bring back different uparmored rhino sets, they stopped making those kind of a long time ago without ever replacing them. I make my own but I'd obviously like they to have something better then I could make.
Obviously my big hope would be they could do completely new stuff, but then they'd need to.... move the storyline fowar +++HERESY DETECTED. LAUNCHING EXTERMINATUS+++
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Post by: aka_mythos
Platuan4th wrote:aka_mythos wrote:This has been around since 1992... Jes Goodwyn's concept art
It's almost like I mentioned that...
I was just adding to what you were saying.... and showing the specific proof of just how long a developed form of the concept has existed. Its one thing to see the epic figure which doesn't really have detail and its another to show a piece of concept artwork where the depiction of this style of dreadnought originally takes up a corner of a 17" page.
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Post by: Akaelus
Those are gorgeous, I'll take 10
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Post by: ShumaGorath
alphaomega wrote:ShumaGorath wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Why just a Meltagun?
Because it's the useful dreadnaught gun it doesn't get to take. Which is dumb.
It can have a Multi Melta...
Unless that multi melta is an upgrade from a storm bolter then color me underwhelmed.
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Post by: Baragash
RE: Chaos Dread, there was also this model from the RT/early 2nd Ed era that FW might "bring up to date", though as someone who was introduced to gaming through Space Crusade, it would be cool to see that model done as well/instead
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I'd prefer the 'Space Crusade' version. Even the old Epic Chaos Dreads were based on the Space Crusade Chaos Dread. An updated version of that would look pretty mean.
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Post by: diddyfisto
whoa looks awesome, anyone else just thinking of scraping thier old dreads ans only using these as proxy dreads? heyy for and added bit of hurt, you could even base this proxy dead ontop of the old crippled normal dread which you just scrapped XD fun fun fun!!! x
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Post by: carabine
diddyfisto wrote:whoa looks awesome, anyone else just thinking of scraping thier old dreads ans only using these as proxy dreads? heyy for and added bit of hurt, you could even base this proxy dead ontop of the old crippled normal dread which you just scrapped XD fun fun fun!!! x
Quit reading my mind...
I'm hoping that those hidden options have atleast 1 thing, replace stormbolters for meltaguns, Well that and maybe an upgrade to make the DCCW into blood claw esq things.
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Post by: MajorTom11
The more I look at it the more I like it.... It lacks a touch of detail, but overall, the anthropomorphic shape is a huge deal for me. I can kinda accept the soda machine versions in 'long range' configurations, but for cc, this dread looks soooooooooooo much more believable and agile...
Kinda wishing I didnt have 4 furiosos waiting for paint lol...
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Post by: carabine
MajorTom11 wrote:The more I look at it the more I like it.... It lacks a touch of detail, but overall, the anthropomorphic shape is a huge deal for me. I can kinda accept the soda machine versions in 'long range' configurations, but for cc, this dread looks soooooooooooo much more believable and agile...
Kinda wishing I didnt have 4 furiosos waiting for paint lol...
Ebay is a wonderful thing, that or canibalize them for parts and enjoy, either way nothing ever goes to waste.
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Post by: grizgrin
Wow. I am really digging this.
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Post by: Orthae
I love this Dread... Am already planning on purchasing it to add to my first company in place of a Vernerable DN
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Post by: Alpharius
diddyfisto wrote:whoa looks awesome, anyone else just thinking of scraping thier old dreads ans only using these as proxy dreads? heyy for and added bit of hurt, you could even base this proxy dead ontop of the old crippled normal dread which you just scrapped XD fun fun fun!!! x
Absolutely!
I was this close to purchasing two of the newer plastic venerable dreads for my True Scale Alpha Legion army, but now, no way!
The slightly larger scale of the Contemptor helps a lot too - a win/win!
Well, accept where my wallet is concerned...
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Post by: BrookM
Pay day is Wednesday next week. Should be enough time to practise the puppy eyes on the better half.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
MajorTom11 wrote:The more I look at it the more I like it.... It lacks a touch of detail, but overall, the anthropomorphic shape is a huge deal for me. I can kinda accept the soda machine versions in 'long range' configurations, but for cc, this dread looks soooooooooooo much more believable and agile...
Kinda wishing I didnt have 4 furiosos waiting for paint lol...
I kind of like the open spaces. After all, it goes back to the height of the Imperium, when Dreadnought suits could still be built enmasse, and thus likely weren't as revered as they are 10,000 years later. Plus, lots of room for freehand and other hobby goodness.
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Post by: Vulpes89
The new legs remind me of Gundam and the red model of Char Aznable aka the Red Comet.
love it!
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Post by: sonofruss
I have one oop chucky dread and will use the rules for that on it I also want 4 more of the fw version when they make an assault cannon and plasma cannon arms I get to build Bjorn MkIII.
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Post by: Orthae
I know I am probably just being greedy, but how long do you all think before there is a wider array of weapons available or allowed? I mean even conversions, since I read the rules already.
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Post by: H3ydon
i would loooove to put an ork nob in there.  mekadread hahahaha.
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Post by: JoeyHeadwounds
Chaos demands one of these...
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Post by: carabine
JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Chaos demands one of these...
Chaos may have them.
No seriously take one, we'll see about getting you one that's all chaosy by IA 12, Personally I like the idea better of taking this model and taking chaos items onto it, then again I'm a conversion nut, who'd rather buy one box of possessed and 4 boxes of normal marines and work that into 50 chaos marines.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Orthae wrote:I know I am probably just being greedy, but how long do you all think before there is a wider array of weapons available or allowed? I mean even conversions, since I read the rules already.
Are you meaning the actual weapons for the model or rules for them?
The 'actual weapons' for the model will likely be made available in the course of the next few months. I've got an inkling the Contemptor is going to be the first of several new models that we'll see in the next "Imperial Armour: Apocalypse" volume(which would be #3) and likely accompany the new Dark Eldar vehicle, Crassus, the Craftworld Eldar stuff, etc as being part of the 'standalone' availability of it which FW seems to be doing lately.
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Post by: nevertellmetheodds
one word BESTMODELEVER. Who ever designed this should get a raise.
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Post by: Mr Nobody
nevertellmetheodds wrote:one word BESTMODELEVER. Who ever designed this should get a raise.
He also designed the reaver titan, the ork warboss on bike and the eldar cobra gravtank.
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Post by: carabine
Mr Nobody wrote:nevertellmetheodds wrote:one word BESTMODELEVER. Who ever designed this should get a raise.
He also designed the reaver titan, the ork warboss on bike and the eldar cobra gravtank.
one golden work after another
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Post by: CURNOW
Screw you GW ! uve made me buy something of you ! :(
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Post by: Master Melta
Sorry to bump this thread back up but I didn't notice mentionin the discussion.
When this beast was released the torso was priced at 45 pounds.
They currently have it up for 30 pounds.
I suppose that was a typo!
Now it's back on the purchasing block! I wish I hadn't spent all my B-day money already.
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Post by: warboss
Master Melta wrote:Sorry to bump this thread back up but I didn't notice mentionin the discussion.
When this beast was released the torso was priced at 45 pounds.
They currently have it up for 30 pounds.
I suppose that was a typo!
Now it's back on the purchasing block! I wish I hadn't spent all my B-day money already. 
I suspect that they priced it as shown which would include the lascannon arm and DCCW.. which comes to exactly the price you quoted of 45 pounds. As a side note for all you brits out there in dakkaland, how do you get the squiggly "L" symbol for GBP on a standard keyboard? I remember when I was taking German in high school you could get umlauts over letters with combos like alt-276 and such.
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Post by: Nagashek
I assumed it took the place of the $ on their keyboards.
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