He definitly becomes more hidious when you realize how big the model is.

Fairfeldia wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

"Give me back my helmet!...oh wait there it is"

"Dinkleburg!!!"

Why I Oughta!

At least most of these are older models. The few that aren't are overlaps from fantasy. 40k has lucked out with their models. Most are pretty good. Especially the more recent ones.

The fantasy line hasn't been as fortunate as I'm convinced GW makes their new recruits make a fantasy model and if it sells a thousand copies they get to be promoted to full time minimum wage with benefits as opposed to part-time slave labor.

The new DE Dragon--hell, most of the new monsters, Razorgore, etc.

Of course 40k also lacks the truly epic models which fantasy has a fair number of too.

Andrew1975 wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:But that's not a GW model

Yes it is.

Female Warrior Gabs
(1988: 400504,
1991: Adventurers -
Powersword & Bolter 072518/15)


There is this one too. Technically they were labeled as female warriors.

The reason why people think that they're female Space Marines is because of the powered armor, when in reality anyone (in theory) could wear and use powered armor. There's a couple of pictures in the Rogue Trader book with mercenaries that have powered armor that looks exactly like the Imperial Marine powered armor.

For my least-liked GW sculpt, I'm gonna give it to....

dun dun dun...





The Cadians


I used to have them and I didn't mind them, but looking back on it, they sucked. Look like freaking football players with monkey hands.

BluntmanDC wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:DE wyches. WHY THE FETH ARE THEY ALL RUNNING. They don't even seem remotely feminine to me. Blocky chests, square jaws, tight lips, no curves, no attractive waist, idiotic hair styles and obviously 'wrong' boobs makes them my biggest irk in GW's catalog. What an atrocious failure they are. Too bad we'll have to live with them for another twenty years or so. I'll just try my best to put the most feminine heads on warriors, which are surprisingly MORE feminine.

WHY THE FETH ARE THEY ALL RUNNING: They are a close combat unit, fueled by combat drugs, thats why they are running.
Blocky chests, square jaws, etc: warriors/soldiers (especially ones that fight hand-to-hand) will have well defined/enlarged musculature.
no attractive waist, idiotic hair styles and obviously 'wrong' boobs: they are warrior eldar not page 3 girls/porn stars. Eldar are not curvy.

If you want tits and ass go to a porn site (the internet is full of them), if you want a pretty accurate and common sence model based on Dark Eldar fluff and basic principles of muscle development the wyches are fine.

That's irrelevant. There are plenty of 'bulky' women who still have nice bodies. It's not like your hips disappear or your lips get thin when you start exercising. Since when are eldar 'not curvy'? Obviously lelith is. Just because the models don't show attractive women doesn't mean that they don't exist!

The running thing I sort of get, but 4/5 of the legs in the set are running legs. That's overkill. Some running is fine, but 80% is too much for me, sorry. I'm not asking for porn-star-esque quality. I just want them to be better looking than the men in the same set!


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Perfect example:

What horrible facial gestures. What disgusting hair. Thick, meaty arms, gross, misshapen stomachs. What is the look GW was going for? Cave-women with splinter rifles? Dominatrix, nihilistic s? Whatever it is, it's a disappointment.

Don't get me started on the Succubus. I think THAT is actually my biggest irk.

I have a feeling that you have missed the entire concept of what the Wyches are supposed to be, hence your irritation.

They're athletes with no gender discrimination, pumped up on combat drugs with the express purpose of killing their enemies at close range in the most pain causing process possible. Hence, they are all running, that makes sense, a standing Wych would look stupid, they are all muscled, because they are athletes that compete in close combat. Hair isn't the best I agree actually, and whilst not everyone is good at or wants to work with green stuff, I personally just cut the ones I dislike and make it better, or that's what I've done with my single box so far.

iproxtaco wrote:I have a feeling that you have missed the entire concept of what the Wyches are supposed to be, hence you're irritation.

I agree. The wyches are fine for their purpose. In my opinnion they look great (yes there are ugly heads in the box) and succubus looks awesome.

Who cares if they are ugly, it's the point. Its to terrify the enemy they assault, a Guardsmen being assaulted by a Wych would probably be scarred. They may not be nice to you but to Dark Eldar it isn't.

Jain Zar. 'Nuff said.

I forgot about this ones...

Seriously, such a unit, with such a potential in the drawings I saw, why did GW ruined it with this model? He looks like "hey, I have pants!". And all of them have the same looking and pose... after seeing one of them ripping a Tau armor with its bare hands, I am dissapointed.

I hate the new Lelith. She looks like a drag queen.


Also, the new Grotesques having only one pose.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I hate the new Lelith. She looks like a drag queen.


Also, the new Grotesques having only one pose.

How do you know she isn't?

The wraithguard, I would say. But that isn't really because of the look, it is just that they are completely not posable, and a hell to paint when they stand like that and have those tiny flexes all over it.

The basic design of the Eldar just irks me. They look very silly to me.

well, the Eldar line is showing its age.

they look ok in all the artwork, but they didn't translate into model form very well.


new plastics should change that.

I agree with the Grotesque. Mincing around. It looks like it is doing (bad) ballet.

coolyo294 wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I hate the new Lelith. She looks like a drag queen.


Also, the new Grotesques having only one pose.

How do you know she isn't?

Because I have the model and that must be one bloody good mangina to hide it in that g-string.

Grimtuff wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I hate the new Lelith. She looks like a drag queen.


Also, the new Grotesques having only one pose.

How do you know she isn't?

Because I have the model and that must be one bloody good mangina to hide it in that g-string.

Maybe it's cold...

HURON. BLACKHEART'S. FACE.

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

Also, i HATE the wyches they're like tranny cavemen. ugh :( glad i dont play DE

The reason why people think that they're female Space Marines is because of the powered armor, when in reality anyone (in theory) could wear and use powered armor. There's a couple of pictures in the Rogue Trader book with mercenaries that have powered armor that looks exactly like the Imperial Marine powered armor.

Off-topic, but this comes up a lot in our DH game...

The Vindicare of the group is a Hive-born female who was required to buy the Cybernetic Resurrection package when she was shot in the stomach with a bolt-pistol from very-point-blank range and then the building she was bleeding to death on top of was blown up from underneath her.

The Interrogator keeps pushing for her to buy a suit of power armor, rather than the usual cut-down armored bodyglove she wears, which adds little more than modesty since her body is all but entirely armor-plated augmetics at this point.

Her response?

"I'm sorry, Interrogator, they do not build power armor for people who are only five feet tall."

Why would you want a Vindicare in power armor? I feel like that would make them significantly less stealthy.

The Vindicare has stated that to the Interrogator a number of times as well (in a number of variations). Mostly, their banter amuses me, as the GM.

I also note, "above game" as we say, that all of the Assassin paths are built to be glass cannons. Sure, they deliver death with alacrity and gusto, either from distance or up-close-and-personal... but, they cannot *take* hits for anything. This, I think, is the Interrogator player's concern, he doesn't want to lose the Vindicare character if/when the enemy closes to melee.

My advice, as the GM? "Don't let your Vindicare sniper get into melee with Ripper Swarms, Interrogator."

The Tyranid Trygon/Mawloc irks me. The design is great, don't get me wrong, but the chose one of the stupidest poses. Some of the Eldar models could definitely use an update.

Mr Nobody wrote:Zoanthropes, it can't stand up.

Sure they can. They're now lighter than their base.

iproxtaco wrote:They're athletes with no gender discrimination, pumped up on combat drugs with the express purpose of killing their enemies at close range in the most pain causing process possible. Hence, they are all running, that makes sense, a standing Wych would look stupid, they are all muscled, because they are athletes that compete in close combat. Hair isn't the best I agree actually, and whilst not everyone is good at or wants to work with green stuff, I personally just cut the ones I dislike and make it better, or that's what I've done with my single box so far.

Well, the poster's preferences regarding running/standing I can understand. Even though the miniatures perfectly fit their fighting style, I can see why some people would like to include one or more standing ones in their army just to have that "strike a pose" image. There'd also be nothing wrong with a wych seemingly preparing to parry a blow just to get a bit of variation.

But the arms are pretty thick - I thought wyches are more about speed rather than brute strength. Would seem to fit better to their weapons. At the end of the day, they're still Eldar, so giving them thicker arms that make them look almost like Catachans seems a bit odd.

The muscle textures are appropriate, though. I think the stomach looks pretty good!

In the end, I'd say their Lelith - a wych special character - looks awesome. She should be considered a prime example of a proper wych, so other miniatures could well follow her example.

What's wrong with those DE slave girls, though?

His face always gave me a look of "We're the best?"

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

..That was the very first mini I ever purchased, I know it looks silly, but I can't help but feel a bit of love for the dreadful looking thing.

Two things:

Wolfguard Battle Leaders. No matter what you do. No matter how you go about it. No matter... no matter what, they always look like their top heavyness is making them topple over forward. Their cloak also you can never get to look right, being that it is two piece and all.


Also this fellow. "HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR AH'M A WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULF"

I'll just leave this here.






Private Dancer.

Chowderhead wrote:

His face always gave me a look of "We're the best?"

"O'Doyle Rules!"

My biggest complaint were always the elder avatar, farseer and warlocks...what's with the antlers...all they ever did was look bad. Same goes with the jet bikes...those look terrible.

Adiutrix wrote:


Also this fellow. "HURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR AH'M A WUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULF"

Kinda looks like someone wired his lightning claws incorrectly.

I hate my Vespids. So much.

They are fast/fleet shock troops (well, probably were meant to be shock troops but instead became paperweights in my paint room) and yet every single one is just stood there like "Urhh...we meant to be flying or doing something?"

Worse pose ever.

Lynata wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:They're athletes with no gender discrimination, pumped up on combat drugs with the express purpose of killing their enemies at close range in the most pain causing process possible. Hence, they are all running, that makes sense, a standing Wych would look stupid, they are all muscled, because they are athletes that compete in close combat. Hair isn't the best I agree actually, and whilst not everyone is good at or wants to work with green stuff, I personally just cut the ones I dislike and make it better, or that's what I've done with my single box so far.

Well, the poster's preferences regarding running/standing I can understand. Even though the miniatures perfectly fit their fighting style, I can see why some people would like to include one or more standing ones in their army just to have that "strike a pose" image. There'd also be nothing wrong with a wych seemingly preparing to parry a blow just to get a bit of variation.

But the arms are pretty thick - I thought wyches are more about speed rather than brute strength. Would seem to fit better to their weapons. At the end of the day, they're still Eldar, so giving them thicker arms that make them look almost like Catachans seems a bit odd.

The muscle textures are appropriate, though. I think the stomach looks pretty good!

In the end, I'd say their Lelith - a wych special character - looks awesome. She should be considered a prime example of a proper wych, so other miniatures could well follow her example.

What's wrong with those DE slave girls, though?

The hair I can understand, but disliking the Wyches design, seemingly because they are Wyches, is what I disagree with. The arms are built up, but they aren't that big. The one on the left has her arm bent, so the muscle will look bigger, especially on an athlete. They aren't all about speed, it's combat, skilled or brute force, it doesn't matter. It's all about the spectacle of killing, they do this as a job so yeah, they are gonna be pretty damn muscled. Another thing is that they are all pumped up on drugs to improve strength, speed and the sensations they feel. I don't have the DE dex right now, but if memory serves, Lelith doesn't use these drugs, hence why she is more lithe. Having a bunch of standing Wyches amongst a larger group of running Wyches would just look, well, odd, hence why I repositioned the Hekatrix's legs so they were running as well. It just seems that the guy dislikes the entire concept of the Dark Eldar Wyche, on paper and in model form.

purplefood wrote:

Grimtuff wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I hate the new Lelith. She looks like a drag queen.


Also, the new Grotesques having only one pose.

How do you know she isn't?

Because I have the model and that must be one bloody good mangina to hide it in that g-string.

Maybe it's cold...

You know if you look at pics of female bodybuilders you will find women who look alot like the DE female models in terms of shape and muscle tone. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the model for the poses.

The necron lord with light staff. I mean, WTF man. WTF...

Samus_aran115 wrote:

BluntmanDC wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:DE wyches. WHY THE FETH ARE THEY ALL RUNNING. They don't even seem remotely feminine to me. Blocky chests, square jaws, tight lips, no curves, no attractive waist, idiotic hair styles and obviously 'wrong' boobs makes them my biggest irk in GW's catalog. What an atrocious failure they are. Too bad we'll have to live with them for another twenty years or so. I'll just try my best to put the most feminine heads on warriors, which are surprisingly MORE feminine.

WHY THE FETH ARE THEY ALL RUNNING: They are a close combat unit, fueled by combat drugs, thats why they are running.
Blocky chests, square jaws, etc: warriors/soldiers (especially ones that fight hand-to-hand) will have well defined/enlarged musculature.
no attractive waist, idiotic hair styles and obviously 'wrong' boobs: they are warrior eldar not page 3 girls/porn stars. Eldar are not curvy.

If you want tits and ass go to a porn site (the internet is full of them), if you want a pretty accurate and common sence model based on Dark Eldar fluff and basic principles of muscle development the wyches are fine.

That's irrelevant. There are plenty of 'bulky' women who still have nice bodies. It's not like your hips disappear or your lips get thin when you start exercising. Since when are eldar 'not curvy'? Obviously lelith is. Just because the models don't show attractive women doesn't mean that they don't exist!

The running thing I sort of get, but 4/5 of the legs in the set are running legs. That's overkill. Some running is fine, but 80% is too much for me, sorry. I'm not asking for porn-star-esque quality. I just want them to be better looking than the men in the same set!

1.Wyches do not stand still, THEY RUN into combat then JUMP all over the place, they are pumped full of drugs, they are not gonna stand a think.
2.Since when are eldar 'not curvy'? Obviously lelith is: Lelith isnt curvy. The Eldar have always (i.e. since rogue trader) been described as slender with strong dense musculature, not curvy.
3.models don't show attractive women doesn't mean that they don't exist!: I'm sorry but this is a war game, people do not stay 'pretty' in war, especially when the idea of human/xeno rights do not exist and you are fighting orks and 'nids. Dark Eldar do not care about attractiveness, they are too busy over other dark eldar, desiring power and souls.
4.I just want them to be better looking than the men in the same set: unfotunetly for you this is the wrong race/game to play. The Eldar (much like tolkenesque elves) are pretty much androgynous, the only real difference is sexual organs.

For what it's worth, I'd have to add a few things to that:

1. The combat style from wyches and Repentias isn't so different - they all charge into battle head-first - yet look at the Repentia models. Also, there is no rule in the TT that forces all miniatures to be depicted in a state of attack. In fact, a large portion of miniatures is people just walking along, standing around or doing other stuff like waving their gun, taunting opponents and yelling orders. In case of the wyches, why not have some preparing to parry a blow, for example? Variety ftw.
WHFB witches work on exactly the same concept, by the way - get drugged and charge into battle. Still their minis have some more variation.
It's not wrong that all wyches are running. It wouldn't be wrong if some of them were standing either, though. Though I'd not regard it as a big deal or even a flaw, I do have sympathy with the poster wishing for other options here.

2. Lelith is definitively more curvy than those two wyches that were posted earlier. They just look butch - which wouldn't necessarily be wrong for humans, but come on: they are still space elves. That's not just muscles anymore, that's plain fat. There's really nothing "slender" about this.
This is how Lelith was drawn in GW publications. This is also how I'm used to see female Dark Eldar in other drawings, including the comics. The miniatures simply don't fit to the designs, that's it.

Which brings us to 3: GW has always had a problem with female miniatures, that's no secret. I think they have improved, and there have always been a few who were better than the others, but at the end, miniatures deviating from drawn or written descriptions should be seen as what they are - worthy of improvements in the future.

I absolutely agree about "not staying pretty in war", actually. But in war, what you get is either scars or missing limbs. Not fat.

Kerminsr wrote:

"I did it myyyyy wayyyyyyyy"

Dark Eldar Karaoke nights won't be the same without this fella!

Mr Nobody wrote:Zoanthropes, it can't stand up.

Unless it's a resin Zoanthrope.

Lynata wrote:For what it's worth, I'd have to add a few things to that:

1. The combat style from wyches and Repentias isn't so different - they all charge into battle head-first - yet look at the Repentia models. Also, there is no rule in the TT that forces all miniatures to be depicted in a state of attack. In fact, a large portion of miniatures is people just walking along, standing around or doing other stuff like waving their gun, taunting opponents and yelling orders. In case of the wyches, why not have some preparing to parry a blow, for example? Variety ftw.
WHFB witches work on exactly the same concept, by the way - get drugged and charge into battle. Still their minis have some more variation.
It's not wrong that all wyches are running. It wouldn't be wrong if some of them were standing either, though. Though I'd not regard it as a big deal or even a flaw, I do have sympathy with the poster wishing for other options here.

Repentias have a slightly different style in that they charge mercilessly with a giant two handed Chain sword.
Wyches charge mercilessly with knifes and other exotic weapons and use style, speed, and strength to inflict the most pain possible. It's literally their job, and not a spiritual obligation brought around by some religious mumbo-jumbo. A standing witch amongst a larger group of sprinting Wyches? Whaaaa? Why would you want that? I agree that it's all a matter of personal taste, but this just strikes me as odd.

2. Lelith is definitively more curvy than those two wyches that were posted earlier. They just look butch - which wouldn't necessarily be wrong for humans, but come on: they are still space elves. That's not just muscles anymore, that's plain fat. There's really nothing "slender" about this.
This is how Lelith was drawn in GW publications. This is also how I'm used to see female Dark Eldar in other drawings, including the comics. The miniatures simply don't fit to the designs, that's it.

Are they really that bad? Not really. It's all about the pose. They can be made to look very slender, just look at the zoomed out image of the 10 miniatures, there's only a few which are truly blocky. Again, they aren't slender elves, they're pumped up on steroids athletes.

Which brings us to 3: GW has always had a problem with female miniatures, that's no secret. I think they have improved, and there have always been a few who were better than the others, but at the end, miniatures deviating from drawn or written descriptions should be seen as what they are - worthy of improvements in the future.

I absolutely agree about "not staying pretty in war", actually. But in war, what you get is either scars or missing limbs. Not fat.

They haven't deviated as far as I can see. I still think that this poster of this argument, and perhaps you, dislike the entire concept of the Wyche, and not just the models.

iproxtaco wrote:Repentias have a slightly different style in that they charge mercilessly with a giant two handed Chain sword.

The weapon doesn't matter, though. They charge - just like the wyches. And they are driven into a frenzy - just like the wyches. The details or reasons behind it are irrelevant. So why are the Repentia miniatures standing or "walking", when all the Wyches are sprinting? Same as the WHFB Dark Eldar Witches, who are not sprinting either, and those follow a combat style almost(?) completely identical to the Wyches.

So yeah, I would say it's clear that it's a matter of personal taste.

iproxtaco wrote:I still think that this poster of this argument, and perhaps you, dislike the entire concept of the Wyche, and not just the models.

Despite not even playing DE myself, I do like the idea. And I like some of the models, such as Lelith. We could just as well turn this around and say that maybe you dislike the entire concept of the Wyches if you disregard their official pictures.


Look at the older wych miniatures and note how the females look ... well, more female. Or more androgynous. In a way, the blocky muscles just make them look too masculine, which I think fits neither to their fighting style (favoring speed and light weapons) nor even their entire race (slender, androgynous).

Of course the new miniatures could well be a retcon/remake rather than just a flawed design. *shrugs* In that case I could only say that personally, I'd think a "hybrid" between the new (-> details) and the old (-> proportions, hair) miniatures would be perfect.

This far and nobody has brought up the old Lemartes?

I still think that this poster of this argument, and perhaps you, dislike the entire concept of the Wyche, and not just the models.

You're probably right. I find the entire idea of wyches to be much too masculine.

I'm agreeing with lynata here on the artwork. Almost everything showing female wyches portrays them exactly how I'd like them to look in plastic. Curvy, seductive, dainty and deadly. The more I think about it, the new wyches just look like common cutthroats. For all their fluff describing them as elegant killers, their poses and faces are much too aggressive. Not at all what I'd expect of cold, calculating warriors.

Chowderhead wrote:

His face always gave me a look of "We're the best?"

Really?
Looks to me like he's just had a stroke from his facial expression.
Either that or the Company Commander just asked the 'culprit' (you know what for.... ) to own up......

Oh right, I know some other sculpts that irks me... All the phoenix lords (except perhaps Maugan Ra, but even he could look better). They all have great illustrations that is really cool, but most of them look so squat, and/or have tremenduosly ugly faces.

Vladsimpaler wrote:The Cadians


I used to have them and I didn't mind them, but looking back on it, they sucked. Look like freaking football players with monkey hands.

I actually like Cadians; A lot. Kit bashing with Cadians is an art form; there are just so many different parts you can get with them! The Battlebox alone provides you with enough different parts to make a totally unique set of troops.

Not only that, but I actually like the look of the armor/helmet. I admit, I loved the Starship Trooper movie, so I'm probably bias'd on that; but because the armor and clothes are easily seperated, it's easy to paint hundreds of them with 2+ colours, and still match you're tanks.

What I hate is Hormagants; already been discussed though, those gakkers just don't group well.

Commissar Yarrick. Seriously, he looks like a vampire or something

guyperson5 wrote:Commissar Yarrick. Seriously, he looks like a vampire or something

Oh gawd yea, I forgot about him... I actually really hate his model now that I think about it. I much prefer the picture they provide (orc head between claws).

Im not a huge fan of the Ork Tankbusta Nob. He looks all hunchbacked and weird.

Have we really managed 2 pages of discussion on the Wych models because they don't fit some 15 year old's fantasy vision of leather-clad space elf wimmins?

For terrible models how about the Beast of Nurgle, the ultimate 'slap some green stuff together because it's 'nurgley' creation:

MandalorynOranj wrote:Im not a huge fan of the Ork Tankbusta Nob. He looks all hunchbacked and weird.

he's an ork, what'da expect?

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

He reminds me of the evil priest from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom

also did anyone notice that his "face" is just skin over a helmet

EmilCrane wrote:

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

He reminds me of the evil priest from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom

also did anyone notice that his "face" is just skin over a helmet

That's the whole point of the model, that was wargear in the old DE book IIRC.

Scrap everything I said. That Lamassu model....is just fething awful. I hate it. I've never been so pissed off about a GW release. It's just awful! It's pathetic!

Goddard wrote:Scrap everything I said. That Lamassu model....is just fething awful. I hate it. I've never been so pissed off about a GW release. It's just awful! It's pathetic!

It looks suspiciously like the Chaos Dwarf Lamassu from the 90's......and as such, I have to approve...

Goddard wrote:Scrap everything I said. That Lamassu model....is just fething awful. I hate it. I've never been so pissed off about a GW release. It's just awful! It's pathetic!

It's a re-release of an old model that they've pulled from the vaults for nostalgia's sake. It's great!

chaos dread and raptors, dread as its still metal and dosnt come with a base and raptors because the just plain cant stand up when they were metal
(not sure if they do in finecast now)

In my defense, I liked both the Storm-Raven and the Nemesis Dreadknight...so what I like/dislike is not normal I guess. But I just...ugh! I just don't like it.

Corrode wrote:

EmilCrane wrote:

Kerminsr wrote:

Actually, not just this piece of poo, but all dark eldar from 3rd edition.

He reminds me of the evil priest from Indiana Jones and the Temple of doom

also did anyone notice that his "face" is just skin over a helmet

That's the whole point of the model, that was wargear in the old DE book IIRC.

He reminds me of the texas chain saw massicare. Waering peoples faces and all.

I really don't like the Mephiston model. For being the Lord Of Death and supposedly the biggest badass in the Blood Angels his golden locks are less than intimidating

he's a Blood Angel, they are supposed to be all pretty and fair.

that said, he could use a new sculpt. something more Dynamic.



He's in the same boat as Ragnar. awsome rules, but model is dated.

Are people really that lazy, incompetent, whatever to properly weight zoanthorpe bases? My metal ones have never had any problems.

Fleshborers have the 'clip' not devourers, and yes its kind of silly.

The rokkit arm set in the ork boy box doesn't line up right

I have personally handled metal Zoenthropes.

they require an inordinate amount of weighting to balance properly. Resin is a godsend for Nid players.

Cold Ones



!STUPIDITY TEST!


Nnnyyyeeearughhhhh....

The Dark Elf Cold Ones actually look really awesome. It's beyond me why GW didn't swap out the Puff-The-Magic-Dragon Ones in the Lizardmen line.

I would have to complain about the Kor'sarro Khan model um. . . come one White scars people bike based army its an option to put him on a bike. SO WHY IS THERE ONLY A FOOT MODEL. Not to mention the foot model is from the looks very difficult to actually put on a bike. I'll admit it's a decent looking model but it just makes no sense on the design of him. By no means does he win for most ridiculous model or for worst design but just strikes a personal cord for me

The plastic minotaurs. Don't want to paint giant minotaur butts.

-Loki- wrote:The Dark Elf Cold Ones actually look really awesome. It's beyond me why GW didn't swap out the Puff-The-Magic-Dragon Ones in the Lizardmen line.

Fluff wise they're different animals so they probably kept the Lizardmen ones to help differentiate.

I'd have to say the one that bugs me the most is the old "Elvira Mistress of the Dark" model... er, I mean "Isabella Von Carstein"... He pose is boring, her sculpt is boring, and she's ugly. They need to give us a new one.

I don't understand the hatred for the DE slavegirls... I've gotten them to look quite nice after a good paintjob. I use them as decorations on my Slaanesh Traitor Guard vehicles.

squidhills wrote:I'd have to say the one that bugs me the most is the old "Elvira Mistress of the Dark" model... er, I mean "Isabella Von Carstein"... He pose is boring, her sculpt is boring, and she's ugly. They need to give us a new one.

I don't understand the hatred for the DE slavegirls... I've gotten them to look quite nice after a good paintjob. I use them as decorations on my Slaanesh Traitor Guard vehicles.

The slavegirl hate is mostly against the GW paintjob on the models. "Arrrgh, those eyebrows!!!"

I dont like draigo's face, looks really odd to me, and all the inquisitor models, except the guy with the Inferno pistol.

Necron Lychguard with Shield/sword. Could put that thing into a squard base in a Tomb Kings Army and it'd probably fit in perfectly. Doesn't fit the machine theme at all, though GW has moved away from the idea that Necrons are a machine army.

DE Sslyth's. Get the idea that Commorragh/Archon retinues are supposed to be a kind of den of scum and villainy that attracts lots of renegades/aliens but they just look very out of place in a DE army.

Dreadknight, too ridiculous even for the endearingly ridiculous 40k setting/themes.

Agree with the OP about Tyranid bio-weapons. For a weapon that is grown/attached to the user, they still come off as far too "human" and our concept of what a weapon is, something that an utterly alien race like the Tyranids shouldn't have. Fleshborer, devourer, venom cannons, etc. should be more akin to a part of the models body then a rifle they're holding.

Dire Avengers enormous headpieces also annoy me a bit, though that's a reflection of fluff moreso then modeling. You'd think that these rapid strike troopers who often strike in stealthy fashion wouldn't use these giant hats that would give them away behind any piece of cover from miles away....

Grey Templar wrote:
The slavegirl hate is mostly against the GW paintjob on the models. "Arrrgh, those eyebrows!!!"

I gave mine some rather drastic eyebrow reduction surgery and after that she looked much better!

The Khorne Berserker models. They look fantastic, but when you look at them compared to newer models they make you want to cry, if they updated them I would seriously consider a World Eaters army, because I love the Khorne lord model with the giant axe.

Chowderhead wrote:

His face always gave me a look of "We're the best?"

He reminds me of the end of every Rocky movie ever made...

All the Chaos Greater Demons. They are old sculpts and should be re-designed! And those Tomb king skeletons...

5 pages and no one posted these guys?



Bigwig circa 1999 - Once we made multipart IG kits with all their heave and special weapons. Then we stopped and only made them in metal. But now we shall make them anew!
Sculptor - Yay! Y'know Jess Goodwin did this awesome sketch of a new IG and you'll not he's fully covered which is good for IG beacuse you have paint loads of them and cloth is easier to paint than skin.



Bigwig - I say thee Nay.

Sculptor - alright, OK, that's fine, everyone loves the Cadians y'know



Bigwig - Aye and we shall do the Cadians.

Sculptor - Yay!

Bigwig - In five years.

Sculptor - Oh...

Bigwig - And they shall look nothing like that.

Sculptor - Uh right. OK, fine. Well the Mordians have a cool 19th century vibe



Bigwig - Nay.

Sculptor - the Tallarn are-



Bigwig - Nay.

Scultor - Gotcha, the Valhallans it is, hoards of greatcoated Russian -



Bigwig - Nay.

Scultor - How about we update the RT Necromundan Spiders and-



Bigwig - Nay.

Scultor - But that only leaves one established regiment and they're-

Bigwig - Tell me, what do you know of Rambo? I recently saw a video cassette tape of this Rambo and I feel the kids today will appreciate the chance to have a whole army of Rambo.

Sculptor - But, but lack of realism, lots of flesh to paint, no armor, not suitable for all enviornments, and...

Bigwig - Yes. Rambo. Make it so my good man.

And thus IG players for more than 10 years have had a army of Rambos....



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You know that plastic Cadians have come out since the Catachans and that kind of shoots down your little narrative right?

of course you do. But it didn't stop you.

Worglock wrote:You know that plastic Cadians have come out since the Catachans and that kind of shoots down your little narrative right?

of course you do. But it didn't stop you.

You know he did say they were released 5 years after the Catachan box, so his little narrative still works.

Of course you do, you actually read it. But that didn't stop you.

Didn't stop me laughing either

Great little spat above... on a side not, I hate the metal thunderfire cannon above all models ever.

lol @ catachan!

I'm gonna say the new flayed ones.

Asherian Command wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

THE WORST MODEL OF ALL TIME!

Yep, good old Nagash. For those who don't remember, Nagash is on a 40mm base, and was a powerful character model back when the Undead were just one army. IIRC, Gary Morley (the sculptor) apologized for this one specifically. IMO, this model taught GW that people will buy crappy models if the rules for them are good enough.

He was supposed to have a different, more liche like head, but at the last minute the board said no and made morley change it to skull-a-clown.

That nagash model is plain awful.

Personally, I really dont old ogre models, I mean seriously, you want me to collect an army of obese asians?

I was going to say the Tau suits, but Catachans takes it. The way the Carnifex carapace doesn't line up flush in the back irks me something fierce.

Chaos trolls for fantasy....

I really don't like Mephiston ...

ruminator wrote:I really don't like Mephiston ...

The worst part about it is that he's Soooooo good in game terms! With such a terrible model...

ruminator wrote:I really don't like Mephiston ...

I cut his arms and head off.

Avatar. I really dislike the model, it's far too busy. It simply doesn't fit with the rest of the Eldar who have a sleeker look.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

ruminator wrote:I really don't like Mephiston ...

I cut his arms and head off.

I am starting to get a warm feeling inside ...

biccat wrote:Avatar. I really dislike the model, it's far too busy. It simply doesn't fit with the rest of the Eldar who have a sleeker look.

I dunno, I think the Avatar's pretty good, all runic and arcane and stuff. My only complaint is that it should be taller. But speaking of bad Eldar, Jain Zar is almost painful to look at, with that wierd wicked witch face and giant 80's rock hairdo.

Harriticus wrote:
Agree with the OP about Tyranid bio-weapons. For a weapon that is grown/attached to the user, they still come off as far too "human" and our concept of what a weapon is, something that an utterly alien race like the Tyranids shouldn't have. Fleshborer, devourer, venom cannons, etc. should be more akin to a part of the models body then a rifle they're holding.

I think it's a design choice of that kind of makes sense. The designer has to design something is instantly recognisable as a weapon, is clearly distinguishable from other weapons the unit can have, and allows multiple 'things' on the sprue.

Take the tyranid warrior as an example, it can have devourers, venom cannons, barbed stranglers etc. Now then, if we make the weapon a tube that sticks out of their chest, that is not necessarially a recognisable weapon, whereas a more 'anthropomorphic' design with weapons with clips and barrels, 'held' in arms is almost instantly recognizable as a weapon (because from a human players reference point this is the most recognisable image we have).

Also, how do we distinguish between a devourer and barbed strangler (in, for example, turn 1 of a tournament game to a strict time limit) without having to look at more subtle details. Having 'guns' that look distinct aid this aspect (i.e. a barbed strangler would look like a barbed strangler with or without the warrior carrying it). As a third point, by using 'guns' the designers can use the same generic torsos and legs, without having to make a redesign for each weapon option they can take.

In addition, from a fluff perspective (especially the older stuff), the weapon-symbiotes are more like parasites that 'attach' to the tyranid just after spawning, rather than weapons that the 'nid is innately born attached to.

(can you tell I disagree with the point on tyranid bio-weapons )

As for my most irking model, this guy (NOTE: image is random one stolen from internet as GW is blocked at work, do NOT comment on painting as I have no idea who painted it, where, or when!)


The pose makes no sense to me, it looks like he's showing off his wrist-mounted storm bolter in the same way a teenage girl shows off a large, chunky and garish 'engagement ring' that here equally teenage sweetheart got out of one of those vending machines you see outside grocery stores (the one where you twist the handle and the aforementioned jewellery is in a small plastic pod)

I'll put in another vote for the plastic Catachans, however i was an original Catachan Guard player and they litterally killed my army for me...

On top of that i'll also add the newer Ratskin models.
i mean seriously what the hell was wrong with the original models? the newer ones have gone all grimdark and the earlier ones were full of character!
pssshh

other then that the angry hug monster... sorry Metal Carnifex..

ruminator wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

ruminator wrote:I really don't like Mephiston ...

I cut his arms and head off.

I am starting to get a warm feeling inside ...

He's solid metal. It was a bitch.

Haruko wrote:I dont like draigo's face, looks really odd to me, and all the inquisitor models, except the guy with the Inferno pistol.

Draigo looks frakking terrified, he looks like hes just walking around in the warp screaming and holding his sword out.

derpknight baby carrier isn't much better.

and did anyone ever try to pin this block of iron, whos wings are heavier the he is.

http://www.durhammodellers.com/40k/one.htm

Righto, I'll tell ye now, lots of gibberish about the old models in the eldar line, like the avatar and phoenix lords... WTF. It is age letting these models down, not the sculpts! Back when I were a lad, those models were mind blowing! They do now need an update to bring them into the fold of the new plastics, but remember, when these models came out the guardians were monopose models with lasguns... 'member dem? Blech!

For me, the irking is Chaos Marines. It's the entire line (but a special kick in the balls goes to obliterators!). Chaos is just 'spikes and horns n gak' now, when back in the day, it was eldrich, unknown and gibbering nasties. Chaos lost it's Lovecraftian terror and replaced it with moustache twirling 'bad guy' cliche.

See, back in Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness days, we had this guy:


Now we have this 'bwahahahaha, Imma tie this sista of battul to the train track!' (presumably to deny the grey knights their blood sacrifice... )


Chaos needs it's gribbly side back and less of the horns and skulls (since the imperium has plenty of that already!).

They used to talk more of "traitor marines" and they were "warped" which meant tentacles and two heads and all individual.

Now they tend to be all skulls and spikes and be painted black/gold. It's really something that started with 2nd edition, it's nothing new.

oh mean green you make me lol so hard.

I was so unhappy with how my girlfriend's carnifexes' heads don't sync up at the neck that I smashed half my green stuff in there and had to take half an hour getting most of it out.

I found a well painted mephiston missing his sword arm for a dollar and just stuck a genestealer arm on there, he looks pretty awesome. lol

New Flayed ones - what happened to them?!

I agree. Before they had succom to a horrible disease that threatens the entire tomb world, now their just kinda homeless guys that like.....found some stuff..and...put it on, oh thats a nice sweater.....maybe a poncho here......

its like they went shopping at thrift town

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Righto, I'll tell ye now, lots of gibberish about the old models in the eldar line, like the avatar and phoenix lords... WTF. It is age letting these models down, not the sculpts!

I dislike the Avatar because it doesn't fit with the rest of the Eldar line. It's a reasonably good sculpt, but when placed next to guardians, striking scorpions, wraithlords, etc. it looks out of place.

I agree with the Phoenix Lords, however. They fit in the line and are simply out-of-date sculpts.

Company Commander.

Guy's meant to be a senior officer, The Guard's trademark HQ. He looks kind of...meh.

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

"I voted for McCain!"

Six pages?

We went six Pages without the Razorgor?



I'll just leave this here....

Someone should totally make a counts-as army using only these terrible models. That would be the best project ever.

I'm not a big fan of the wyches either, and it's not just an issue of wanting them to look like sexy space elves. If you look at some of the top female fighters actually out there, and athletes in various sports, none of them look like female bodybuilders either. Most actually have female proportions like having hips wider than their shoulders. The wyches don't.

Definitely hate the Mephiston model too.

The Dialogus's head has to be one of the worst things they've ever done, or just a horrible joke. The rest of it isn't too bad, but the freehand goes a long way towards that conclusion.




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Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Someone should totally make a counts-as army using only these terrible models. That would be the best project ever.

Or even take the worst parts of the worst models to create one terrible abomination.

Maybe not, it'd end up having several dozen heads.

I'm just saying, is the orc cheerleader *really* that far from the wyches?

Zefig wrote:I'm not a big fan of the wyches either, and it's not just an issue of wanting them to look like sexy space elves. If you look at some of the top female fighters actually out there, and athletes in various sports, none of them look like female bodybuilders either. Most actually have female proportions like having hips wider than their shoulders. The wyches don't.

Definitely hate the Mephiston model too.

The Dialogus's head has to be one of the worst things they've ever done, or just a horrible joke. The rest of it isn't too bad, but the freehand goes a long way towards that conclusion.

That pictured mini has always reminded me of some horrible melding of Joey Ramone and Velma from Scooby Doo.

'Up yours children."

This is a ridiculous and almost stupid pose, I also don't like the face, it reminds me of doctor evil.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440017a&prodId=prod780863&rootCatGameStyle=


UGH.

Mad cow disease daemon

The Slaanesh daemon is a bit pathetic.

Take a look at the current one (either head (but the cthullu wannabe head is worse) and then cruise over to Forgeworld and ogle their take ont he concept...

Nuff said.

We also DESPERATELY need a Bloodthirster that actually looks threatening. Again...look at the GW one, then cruise over to Forgeword...

I think the dialogus is, in part, a bad paint job. The eyes look like they're supposed to be goggles (notice the thin 'strap' to one side) but they're painted white-with-black-pupils and as such look like cartoon googly eyes.

The mouth looks a bit cartoony as well, though.

The body isn't bad, though. I wonder how ti would look painted by someone better.

As I remember the Inquisitors and Retinue had a weird mix of really awesome and really horrible models in the line. A lot were done in the style of 'cybernetics that don't need to be practical'. I think this model, at least, looks like an over-the-top Ecclisarch functionary-type who is probably more focused on maintaining the local guardsmen's "morale purity' than actually, you know, winning the war.

Plastic catachans...Those arms...

Balance wrote:I think the dialogus is, in part, a bad paint job. The eyes look like they're supposed to be goggles (notice the thin 'strap' to one side) but they're painted white-with-black-pupils and as such look like cartoon googly eyes.

The mouth looks a bit cartoony as well, though.

The body isn't bad, though. I wonder how ti would look painted by someone better.

As I remember the Inquisitors and Retinue had a weird mix of really awesome and really horrible models in the line. A lot were done in the style of 'cybernetics that don't need to be practical'. I think this model, at least, looks like an over-the-top Ecclisarch functionary-type who is probably more focused on maintaining the local guardsmen's "morale purity' than actually, you know, winning the war.

The mouth is really what kills it for me. I've always seen the eyes as goggled, but can definitely see the resemblance to the googly eyes. I feel like the mouth just makes the whole thing look like a blow-up doll. Certainly would be willing to see if a really good painter could salvage it, but as for myself I think I'll be going with headswaps. A lot of the others are certainly over the top too. Definitely not a fan of the Arco-flaggelants either. Or repentia, to be honest, what with all of their random adornments and little else.

Ma55ter_fett wrote:

FITZZ wrote:

That pictured mini has always reminded me of some horrible melding of Joey Ramone and Velma from Scooby Doo.

Who just so happens to be blowing a ghost.

Jinkies!

Begel Dverl wrote:Cold Ones



!STUPIDITY TEST!


Nnnyyyeeearughhhhh....

Loved this one

TheRedDevil wrote:The Tyranid Trygon/Mawloc irks me. The design is great, don't get me wrong, but the chose one of the stupidest poses. Some of the Eldar models could definitely use an update.

As an Eldar and a 'Nid player I couldn't agree more. I've converted my second Trygon from the "here I am please shoot me" pose to this:


I'm also really regretting my purchase of metal zoanthropes. I just picked up 2 finecast venomthropes and they were so easy to assemble and pose. It's a far better material to work with for top-heavy sculpts like those.

So far as Eldar go, it's hard to know where to start. The 18-year-old 'easy rider' jetbike scuplts, warp spiders, and of course the Avatar. Here's hoping the space elves get some love in 2012.

Zefig wrote:The mouth is really what kills it for me. I've always seen the eyes as goggled, but can definitely see the resemblance to the googly eyes. I feel like the mouth just makes the whole thing look like a blow-up doll. Certainly would be willing to see if a really good painter could salvage it, but as for myself I think I'll be going with headswaps. A lot of the others are certainly over the top too. Definitely not a fan of the Arco-flaggelants either. Or repentia, to be honest, what with all of their random adornments and little else.

I think the whole Repentia concept was much cooler in the Citadel Journal version that came out long before Witch Hunters: It was more of a special character (generic, unnamed, but you could only take one, I think) that was disgraced. No 'special gear' for the disgraced: just leftover armor bits (Powered Armor without the 'Powered' and the SoB insignias) and I think she had a bolt pistol and CCW. The whole point of the model was a charge spoiler.

A neat way to do this in a newer Codex would be to use the above, and allow the Repentia (maybe an 0-3 for a slot choice) to be placed in any squad. The Repentias special rules would basically say that in the event the unit it is in is charged, it gets to stand there and stop the charge, allowing the rest of the unit to back up. The charging unit can't follow up and will almost certainly crush the SoB, but that's how it goes for an SoB wanting to atone for doing something horrible.

If the Repentia survives a round, she's obviously favored by the Emperor and gets a cookie (Or in C:WH, generates a faith point, but that's too much math these days I hear...) and the withdrawing squad has to do something else on their turn (You don't shoot into CC with heros). If the Repentia is turned into paste, the withdrawing squad can run away or shoot as appropriate. Normal rules. Repentia doesn't count for morale purposes.

Of course, most of this is just fan-rules riffing off a half-remembered CJ article from more than a decade ago. I liked them better as, well, pentitent, instead of chainsword-crazy nutters. Would rather have seen the Sisters get a more amusing and interesting CC unit, not watered-down berzerkers.

The Space Pope, its a really bad one.
I don't like the DE Ur-Ghul, its just
And not to forget the High Elf Lord on Dragon, the dragon looks truly awful.

I use my Metal Chaos Dreadnought more to bludgeon muggers than actually use that horrendous model.

I wonder why some many think many Eldar models are ugly. I think every single one of them is absolutley awesome, with the exeptions of the older metal Farseers, Eldrad and Warlocks, Guardian Jetbikes, Warp Spiders and the Avatar.

I like all of them, even those! They just show their age, that's all!

Grey Knight Culexus Assassin.

It looks like a bloke in a fething gimp suit wearing Bon Jovi's wig.

Terrifying.

~Ghost

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

For me, the irking is Chaos Marines. It's the entire line (but a special kick in the balls goes to obliterators!). Chaos is just 'spikes and horns n gak' now, when back in the day, it was eldrich, unknown and gibbering nasties. Chaos lost it's Lovecraftian terror and replaced it with moustache twirling 'bad guy' cliche.

Chaos needs it's gribbly side back and less of the horns and skulls (since the imperium has plenty of that already!).

In all the time I have been a member of Dakka, this is probably the post I agree with most wholeheartedly.

That quote in the last Chaos dex, "let no good deed go unpunished.. "

I think so many younger gamers today probably have no idea about the original meaning of the 8-pointed chaos star. How it used to represent 'disorder', against the 'order' of the Imperium. The possibilities of complete freedom, a Pandora's Box into the unknown that when opened, could never be closed again (and might well take your soul along with it). How much more evocative that, than a cackling guy in red armour with black circles around his eyes, trampling on pretty flowers because.... well... "just".

The Imperium is already 'evil' enough as it is, a soul-sucking Emperor who feasts on thousands a day to stay alive, the extermination of all life on planets, the massive hive cities where people live and die in toil without ever seeing the sky. By comparison, adding spikes to the 'bad guys', and giving them an almost childish conception of 'evil' is selling the original concept massively short.

Anyway!

Bad models: Definitely agree with the lack of IG stuff beyond some decidedly aged plastic sculpts (although FW and some 3rd party manufacturing, as well as creative conversions can mitigate that somewhat). A few of the larger plastic kits look decidedly toy-like, rather than a proper model kit (the Storm Raven for instance).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:*snip*

I AGREE! I mean ignoring for a moment the fact that the artwork for that White Dwarf cover isn't really that good, I do love the look of that armor. That's what Chaos Space Marines should look like, like even their armor is actually warped and mutated from having spent countless years in a mindfeth dimension full of otherworldly horror, and not like they just glued spikes to their regular armor because it was more punk rock than not having spikes.

I'd still like a Chaos army some day, but the current crop of models does not impress. I hate the basic Marines for the reasons you pointed out, and the daemons are pissing me off because they're so badly sculpted (most of them, bloodletters I'm okay with but that's the only thing anymore that I like). The plastic daemon prince in particular irks me something terrible, I still consider it an utter failure in every way. The original metal prince looked awesome, but had a few obvious downsides in being a mono-pose metal model: everyone's prince was going to look the same unless you were a god-damned wizard with knives and putty. So you'd think with the advent of a plastic kit that at least that one problem would be solved...LOL NOPE. The kit is so poorly designed that its still a mono-pose model, you can't really do much with posing and stuff unless you take a knife to it...which is admittedly easier with plastic models, but still, one of the good things about models going to plastic is that you can design them in a way that you don't have to cut anything in order to assemble the model in a different pose, using ball joints and stuff like that. Not only that but this could have at least been a good opportunity to provide you with lots of extra bits for conversions and-NO couldn't do that either, sprues are pretty bare when the model is done, just literally a couple different weapons or head options and that's it. Plus the model also looks like garbage, the 40k version in particular takes what was good about the metal model and gaks all over it by giving him a stupid derpy grin and that stupid hand-flipping-you-off thing that they've done with other Chaos models...why, I don't know, maybe that's just to hammer the point home that they're not really evil or dangerous in any way, they're more like an angsty, rebellious teen than anything. I like to think after the DP flips me off he just walks away from the battle, locks himself in a bathroom stall and proceeds to carve a gakky-looking swastika on the bathroom stall just to further prove how badass and anti-establishment he is.

Castiel wrote:The Space Pope, its a really bad one.
I don't like the DE Ur-Ghul, its just
And not to forget the High Elf Lord on Dragon, the dragon looks truly awful.

Aun'va I dislike not really because of the model, but because it's too obviously inspired by a Halo character whose name I suddenly can't remember. I want to say prophet, though...the old, decrepit-looking alien in a floaty chair. But now that I look at it again the model and his guards really aren't that good, either...the floaty chair is probably the best thing about it.

That and the ethereals are utterly useless in-game, pretty much the very definition of the word. I'm convinced that these are the only ways GW has ever sold an ethereal model to someone: 1) someone wanted to collect/paint one because they thought it looked cool, 2) they're being used to represent something else in another game, or 3) a very new Tau player bought them because the crooks working at his local GW tried to convince him that ethereals were super awesome and he really needed to buy one of each because the red shirt was told to get rid of them any way he could he would win games with them.

Anyway, you don't like the ur-ghul? Why not? The only thing I don't like about it is that it's one pose and they cost $15 each.

As for the HE dragon, did you see the DE version? Not much better, lol...at least the HE dragon has more realistic-looking teeth. The poor black dragon can't even close its mouth because it has rows of three-foot-long swords stuck in it, apparently. I actually kinda feel sorry for it.

http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tyranid_Carnifex_1.gif
Yuck.

Boyofdestiny205 wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE MARINE CHAPTERS HAS 80 PERCENT OF THE FLUFF! OCCUPY MACRAGGE!

Far Seer wrote:http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Tyranid_Carnifex_1.gif
Yuck.

I used to have one of these bad boys. Think they had a certain charm to them, were rather disconcerting on the tabletop (quite possibly one of the toughest individual miniatures ever released by GW, in amongst the mighty powerful 2nd edition Nids), and being made of metal would also double as a blunt instrument in the case of someone unlawfully entering your house

The Space Pope.

The Tervigon model that GW made. Oh what ... there is no tervigon model. Yup.... NO TERVIGON MODEL. FAIL. this sort of stupid thing really makes me hate GW some times. otherwise i would have to say that the pyrovore sucks pretty bad.

And i have to say that both the DE slave model and the ork cheerleader are both super awesome though the ork cheerleeder is by far the cooler of the two models. Ork cheerleader might be my favorite GW model of all time. whats not to like.

Enough said...

I'm not a fan of the super spiky Chaos vehicles and craft, while I'm fine with some of the horned helms I just hate the fact that if it's chaos it's spikes. Looking at the older Chaos art only high ranking leader had spiked armour, now you get a spure called the Chaos vehicle spure, it's just spikes.

Sidstyler wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:*snip*

Castiel wrote:The Space Pope, its a really bad one.
I don't like the DE Ur-Ghul, its just
And not to forget the High Elf Lord on Dragon, the dragon looks truly awful.

Aun'va I dislike not really because of the model, but because it's too obviously inspired by a Halo character whose name I suddenly can't remember. I want to say prophet, though...the old, decrepit-looking alien in a floaty chair. But now that I look at it again the model and his guards really aren't that good, either...the floaty chair is probably the best thing about it.

That and the ethereals are utterly useless in-game, pretty much the very definition of the word. I'm convinced that these are the only ways GW has ever sold an ethereal model to someone: 1) someone wanted to collect/paint one because they thought it looked cool, 2) they're being used to represent something else in another game, or 3) a very new Tau player bought them because the crooks working at his local GW tried to convince him that ethereals were super awesome and he really needed to buy one of each because the red shirt was told to get rid of them any way he could he would win games with them.

Anyway, you don't like the ur-ghul? Why not? The only thing I don't like about it is that it's one pose and they cost $15 each.

As for the HE dragon, did you see the DE version? Not much better, lol...at least the HE dragon has more realistic-looking teeth. The poor black dragon can't even close its mouth because it has rows of three-foot-long swords stuck in it, apparently. I actually kinda feel sorry for it.

It is mainly the guards, but I'm not too keen on Aun'va either tbh.

As for the ur-ghul, I just really don't like its pose, it looks like its showing off its muscles, and I don't like it.

As for the dragon, I'll agree that the DE one is worse, but it doesn't make the HE one any better!

for old models Id say (havent got a pic on hand)
but the old metal dark elve on dragon.
if you find a pic of it, that...thing looks like an obese slug not a dragon.

next, least favourite new model woul dbe the groutesques and chimeraes.
the groutesques all look the same, and the chimearas are supposed to be completely whacky and different (gw has said that all chimaraes are unique and different with the exact same wording like 5 times in every discription) yet there are no seperate heads, no seperate wings, they all look the same. THE SAME. the only difference is poor colour schemes theyve painted them with :/ So disgusting

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Balance wrote:

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Yeah, I actually quite like that one. I suppose it does look a bit like he's holding a stickup.

Zefig wrote:

Balance wrote:

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Yeah, I actually quite like that one. I suppose it does look a bit like he's holding a stickup.

It's not amazing, but I'd consider it 'adequate.'

It's not one of the older minis that was basically 'flat' to make molding it easy, the shoulder and arm bits make it stand out a bit and actually look kind of 'techy' as compared to a lot of other units.

Is it armed with a bolt pistol or bolter? I'm guessing that's a bolt pistol... It would look a bit small to be a boltgun.

blood lance wrote:for old models Id say (havent got a pic on hand)
but the old metal dark elve on dragon.
if you find a pic of it, that...thing looks like an obese slug not a dragon.

next, least favourite new model woul dbe the groutesques and chimeraes.
the groutesques all look the same, and the chimearas are supposed to be completely whacky and different (gw has said that all chimaraes are unique and different with the exact same wording like 5 times in every discription) yet there are no seperate heads, no seperate wings, they all look the same. THE SAME. the only difference is poor colour schemes theyve painted them with :/ So disgusting

Not like the first Great Unclean Ones that they released with several arms and about five difference heads and bellies as well as variant legs and horns.


The Apothecary is a standard example of its time, no complaints on that one.

@Balance - Yes it's a bolt pistol.

In my opinion Snikgrot looks slowed.

Personally? These chicks.


I mean really. WTF is up with their corsets.

Grotesque... it looks like a old DE line model...

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

I love that Apothecary
do you not like it because of the heart gem on its chest?

Lizardmen Slaan
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470194_99110208044_LizardmenSlannMagePriestMain_445x319.jpg

^ Seriously?

That's a great model.

Any female sculpt from GW irks me

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Boyofdestiny205 wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE MARINE CHAPTERS HAS 80 PERCENT OF THE FLUFF! OCCUPY MACRAGGE!

ROFL

Just made my day

SageMage96 wrote:Lizardmen Slaan
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m470194_99110208044_LizardmenSlannMagePriestMain_445x319.jpg

What part irks you? The assembly of it? The model is fantastic in pretty much every regard I can think of.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Grotesque... it looks like a old DE line model...

Sadly those are still miles above old DE.

Doesn't irk me so much as scares the living daylights, night lights, midnight, and beajebuseses out of me.

that should be a 40k model well done. varrick, maybe one of ghazghkull's roadies.

I've seen worse, sad to say, but not by much

Ascalam wrote:I've seen worse, sad to say, but not by much

right. that ork cheerleader model looks cross-eyed drunk or maybe on some pills. some of these models i would like to know how GW approved of these. did someone sculpt it and was like yes that looks great! this is a break through and a true accomplishment of GW!!!


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=I= White-Wolf wrote:

purplefood wrote:Hopefully i will see my favorite picture in this thread...
The model i most dislike is the Ragnar Blackmane model... for a character that is supposed to be fast, charging and badass his model lets him down...

I bet I'm wrong here, buuuuuuut:

For me, with a helmet, the model looks quite nice, but without, Draigo's face...what were they thinking! It is an abomination to my eyes

probably the best image with text on this post well done,

LOVE the ork cheerleader. that is till one of their best bad minis ever. Its like the Evil Dead. So bad its good again.

I have this model in my Bits box. Never came out of it since I bought it back in the 80's.

Why GW? WHY!!!????

Kid_Kyoto wrote:5 pages and no one posted these guys? "Insert pictorial history of potential guardsmen juxtaposed with horrendous Catachan rubbish.

As I recall, the Catachan situation came about because the metal Catachan line was the only one that came with ALL the weapons options, which made it the easiest army to field effectively. GW looked at the sales figures and decided that they must be the "popular" line, and thus created those plaggy abortions, completely ignoring the other, more attractive options. I'm told that when this was announced at Gamesday, there was an audible groan en masse from the audience.

akira5665 wrote:I have this model in my Bits box. Never came out of it since I bought it back in the 80's.

Why GW? WHY!!!????

I like that one. It's not really fair to bash stuff that's over 20 years old unless it was particularly bad even for its era. That isn't one of those cases.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

akira5665 wrote:I have this model in my Bits box. Never came out of it since I bought it back in the 80's.

Why GW? WHY!!!????

I like that one. It's not really fair to bash stuff that's over 20 years old unless it was particularly bad even for its era. That isn't one of those cases.

There is a great painted version of that model using a cast off Tarantula-skin as part of the base. Turned up in the old Golden Demon book as I recall. Fantasy Miniatures (I think?)

Yeah, the Catachans are awful. I "experienced" that kit myself and promptly said "Screw this!", lol. Not only is it hard to put together, but their arms really are just way too damn big, and the models themselves just too damn plain when they're done. There's no real detail or anything to make them interesting or individualize them at all. I'm not sure how you'd fix that though, I guess there's only so much you can do with the "jungle fighters" thing.

Paint em green, swap the heads for ork heads and use them as blood axes

Yeah, the ramboathon is a terrible kit.

Another one that irks me is the current (ancient) ork warbuggy kit. It's not even that good for it's time, compared to other kits out there at the time, and now it looks like a pushcart build by ork kids, with a pretend gun :(

Also the old ork trukk. That thing was fugly then and now. It does make a noce basis for warbuggy conversions though..

There are lots of ugly models out there, but the OP title said "irk" which I understand to mean annoying, frustrating, etc.

So on that note my vote goes to Kroot.

I hate assembling them, I never can get their arms and guns to line up. So they frustrate or "irk" me the most.

Should be irk , but yeah


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I feel your pain with the kroot. Mine never lined up right when i played Tau

This is an old one, but goddamn if it doesn't get me every time. I laugh myself silly, while dying a little on the inside everytime I see it

Yeah catachans have got to be the worst, followed secondly by SoB Hospitaller or Dialogus. Terrible, just terrible

This is one that I hate. I despise most of GW's Slaanesh stuff. What the feth is up with this guy, freaky bondage gear and everything. Every time I see this I think "that's just stupid"

especially when you look at FW's version

Not a fan of that model :(

The worst bit is that the head is just a tacky resculpt. The original version of that with the bull head wasn't that great but at least it didn't have a fethed up dong-head squid thing in bondage gear going on....

I like the KoS with the bull head...I actually have one of each, plus two LoCs, had one of each blood thirsters (but one was stolen). Cadians, broadsides and current plaguebearers irk me the most.

Also...

Ssgt Carl wrote:This is one that I hate. I despise most of GW's Slaanesh stuff. What the feth is up with this guy, freaky bondage gear and everything. Every time I see this I think "that's just stupid"

Also, what's with the tubing growing out of its knees/belly/under-pectorals/arms.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:5 pages and no one posted these guys?



Bigwig circa 1999 - Once we made multipart IG kits with all their heave and special weapons. Then we stopped and only made them in metal. But now we shall make them anew!
Sculptor - Yay! Y'know Jess Goodwin did this awesome sketch of a new IG and you'll not he's fully covered which is good for IG beacuse you have paint loads of them and cloth is easier to paint than skin.



Bigwig - I say thee Nay.

Sculptor - alright, OK, that's fine, everyone loves the Cadians y'know



Bigwig - Aye and we shall do the Cadians.

Sculptor - Yay!

Bigwig - In five years.

Sculptor - Oh...

Bigwig - And they shall look nothing like that.

Sculptor - Uh right. OK, fine. Well the Mordians have a cool 19th century vibe



Bigwig - Nay.

Sculptor - the Tallarn are-



Bigwig - Nay.

Scultor - Gotcha, the Valhallans it is, hoards of greatcoated Russian -



Bigwig - Nay.

Scultor - How about we update the RT Necromundan Spiders and-



Bigwig - Nay.

Scultor - But that only leaves one established regiment and they're-

Bigwig - Tell me, what do you know of Rambo? I recently saw a video cassette tape of this Rambo and I feel the kids today will appreciate the chance to have a whole army of Rambo.

Sculptor - But, but lack of realism, lots of flesh to paint, no armor, not suitable for all enviornments, and...

Bigwig - Yes. Rambo. Make it so my good man.

And thus IG players for more than 10 years have had a army of Rambos....



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/thread You win Kid best post ever on the internet. I remember seeing those 'ash waste troopers' in the codex imperalius and making a promise to myself I would sell my soul to the devil for a army of those....but as usual Gw decided to make a army of 'rambo's' in plastic then a army of cadians that look terrible. If the cadians looked like the metal ones maybe...but the plastic ones are horrible.

Come on GW we want plastic greatcoats....it's been long enough, the rumours have never stopped that we 'might' get some (not counting Dkok) but alas it's rambo and GI Joe (action force for you brits) for us.

I do find one thing kind of funny though, there shure is alot of Garey Morley hate on here for the nagash model. He did sculpt it with a different head and it looks kinda alright, but the one they released is just gak. I think he's appologised for it enough. Same with the 5d high elves....sighs...im glad he's gone....although his BB stuff was rather good. Especially his 92mm scratch build with his own face.

Personally I think since GW has moved to mostly CAD that the sculpts look terrible. They just look to round, smooth and dis-proportionate. Then again GW was never known for 'proper proportions and scale'

I like the Catachans.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440201a&prodId=prod1170215

The plastic Daemonettes of Slaanesh are terrible. The metals that proceeded them were much better

The warlock aaaaaaall the way on the right. Is he doing squats? WTF?

The Bloodthirster. It looks so goofy, the pose is totally uninspiring and the the face isn't very brutal.

There's a similar thread in the 40K section, but here goes.

This is far worse than the 'wolverine' space wolf...

The idea that Mick Hucknall should have survived into the 41st millennium should terrify us all.

timetowaste85 wrote:I like the KoS with the bull head...I actually have one of each, plus two LoCs, had one of each blood thirsters (but one was stolen). Cadians, broadsides and current plaguebearers irk me the most.

Me too, I absolutely love this model, it was such an intriguing concept and actually one of the things that drew me into 40k.

You decide:

and:


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update the GW model pleassse!!!!!!!!!!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m480237a_99060101429_SWLukas_873x627.jpg

This is far worse than the 'wolverine' space wolf...

The idea that Mick Hucknall should have survived into the 41st millennium should terrify us all.

Argh! My eyes, it burns us!!


What the f-- were they thinking with this range?!

He kind of looks like he wants a high 5!

Howard A Treesong wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m480237a_99060101429_SWLukas_873x627.jpg

This is far worse than the 'wolverine' space wolf...

The idea that Mick Hucknall should have survived into the 41st millennium should terrify us all.

Argh! My eyes, it burns us!!


What the f-- were they thinking with this range?!

I like the model. Lucas is the ultimate troll . And he is not as bad as this model:

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m480237a_99060101429_SWLukas_873x627.jpg

This is far worse than the 'wolverine' space wolf...

The idea that Mick Hucknall should have survived into the 41st millennium should terrify us all.

Argh! My eyes, it burns us!!


What the f-- were they thinking with this range?!

I like the model. Lucas is the ultimate troll . And he is not as bad as this model:

-internet rage] NEEDZZZ moer SKULZZZZZZ!!!!!!1!111111![/rage]

susejo239 wrote:The warlock aaaaaaall the way on the right. Is he doing squats? WTF?

He is just trying to let some extra breeze in, its hot wearing that xD

Grey Templar wrote:

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Boyofdestiny205 wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE MARINE CHAPTERS HAS 80 PERCENT OF THE FLUFF! OCCUPY MACRAGGE!

ROFL

Just made my day

I can see this guy screaming 'damn you damn, dirty apes!' at a jokaero

Balance wrote:

RandomSauce19 wrote:



Enough said...

What's wrong with him?

Is it because he has the power of heart?

I mean once I saw the little heart on his chest I just can't look away.


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akira5665 wrote:I have this model in my Bits box. Never came out of it since I bought it back in the 80's.

Why GW? WHY!!!????

I like him, he leads my Emperor's Relics 1st edition army.

Sure he's old and the scuplting is crude but I love the idea of a guy so badass he doesn't even need to get out of his chair to beat you. He just sits there and gives chaos dirty looks till they flee into the warp.


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Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, the Catachans are awful. I "experienced" that kit myself and promptly said "Screw this!", lol. Not only is it hard to put together, but their arms really are just way too damn big, and the models themselves just too damn plain when they're done. There's no real detail or anything to make them interesting or individualize them at all. I'm not sure how you'd fix that though, I guess there's only so much you can do with the "jungle fighters" thing.

there's a few things that can be done, painting them as gangers or workers improves them since their outfits are in no way credible 'jungle fighter' uniforms.

Seriously guys, hats? Sleeves? Kind of useful in the hot sun or where there's TOXIC BITING INSECTS EVERYWHERE.

I also liked that the guns and hands are completely seperate which makes swapping their weapons easy, unlike the Cadians.

But yeah, that's all I can say about them.

khorne likes his models big and expensive.

also, i adore those warlock models. and the farseers that someone was complaining about earlier. i don't mind that KoS, either. or loki.

maybe it's just that some of those older aesthetics are what got me into the game and I still love 2nd ed stuff.

edit: although i don't like that CSM dread cum paperweight. why do i have to kitbash a furioso to find the dreads i'm looking for? /obiwan.

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Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, the Catachans are awful. I "experienced" that kit myself and promptly said "Screw this!", lol. Not only is it hard to put together, but their arms really are just way too damn big, and the models themselves just too damn plain when they're done. There's no real detail or anything to make them interesting or individualize them at all. I'm not sure how you'd fix that though, I guess there's only so much you can do with the "jungle fighters" thing.

there's a few things that can be done, painting them as gangers or workers improves them since their outfits are in no way credible 'jungle fighter' uniforms.

Seriously guys, hats? Sleeves? Kind of useful in the hot sun or where there's TOXIC BITING INSECTS EVERYWHERE.

I also liked that the guns and hands are completely seperate which makes swapping their weapons easy, unlike the Cadians.

But yeah, that's all I can say about them.

What they need to do with Catachans is to make them more realistically styled US soldiers from the planet Vietnam. So you'll still be able to have the bandanas and jungle fighting look but you'll also have much more possible looks for each soldier (ie not every soldier a Rambo).

You could have the guy with the boonie and cut off sleeves, this guy with his cigs in his helmet strap, this guys a fresh recruit who still wears his uniform the textbook way, that guy has no shirt and has a bullet bandolier etc. The whole jungle fighter theme has a lot which can be done with it but instead they are all men who are so muscular they make the actual Rambo look like an average guy on the street.

lol

A Town Called Malus wrote:

What they need to do with Catachans is to make them more realistically styled US soldiers from the planet Vietnam. So you'll still be able to have the bandanas and jungle fighting look but you'll also have much more possible looks for each soldier (ie not every soldier a Rambo).

You could have the guy with the boonie and cut off sleeves, this guy with his cigs in his helmet strap, this guys a fresh recruit who still wears his uniform the textbook way, that guy has no shirt and has a bullet bandolier etc. The whole jungle fighter theme has a lot which can be done with it but instead they are all men who are so muscular they make the actual Rambo look like an average guy on the street.

Yeah there's nothing wrong with the idea, it's just the execution.

Void has some great jungle fighters



GW has taken several stabs at the idea but still can't get past a 30 year old movie when it comes time to design them.

MandalorynOranj wrote:

Boyofdestiny205 wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Was Nagash ever considered a good sculpt?

I don't like Ragnar Blackmane because its so dated, also do not like this one with a passion. Stupid pose

''Damn you Xenos!!!!!"

THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!111!!!!111!!!!!one!!!

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF THE MARINE CHAPTERS HAS 80 PERCENT OF THE FLUFF! OCCUPY MACRAGGE!

I giggled. Im going to cause a disturbance in my local gamestore until we have an equal fluff distribution

Gentlemen BEHOLD! An ugly, confusing model with an ugly and similarly confusing paintjob!

Ew, what is that. It's not GW, right?

It's the Inquisitor scale Kroot.

WHICH ONE OF YOU MORONS CRAPPED IN THE URINAL?

Not a bad mini overall, just one small detail that gets me...


Also

CuddlySquig wrote:Not a bad mini overall, just one small detail that gets me...

WE*breath* we should take away their mehtuhl nipples.

CuddlySquig wrote:Also

All of the 3rd edition Tyranid metals are bad, with the possible exceptions of the Biovore and Zoanthrope.

I actually liked the Zoeys, largely because they were a lot more stable than the ones that followed. The biovores also tended to be a lot less DERP in appearance.

The Carnifex? Not a huge fan...it was still better than Cuddles the Carnifex.
The Hive Tyrant was trying too hard for Aliens.
The Raveners looked...well...silly.
The Gargoyles were ok but rather awkward to base and use.

ARGH. I HATED the 3rd edition Biovore. It had a nonsensical back, a stupid face, and giant squishy balls...Eww...

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Is it because he has the power of heart? I mean once I saw the little heart on his chest I just can't look away.

Pretty sure I have that guy, but I hadn't noticed the heart, since he hasn't gotten any paint, yet. At least now I know that I need to break out the files to prep him, as well as the steel wool, because that thing has got to go.

As for me, pretty much ALL of the old (2nd ed?) Ork sculpts irk me. There's a ton of individual character and variety, but the sculpts themselves are so damned goofy and lumpy and, quite frankly, herp-derpy. Single-sculpt grots would make me refuse to field an actual unit of them, if they were all I could get (actually, they're all that can be found cheaply, which is why I haven't snagged a bunch off of Ebay, preferring to wait until I can afford enough of the plastic kits). Never got the whole "crappy cartoon interpretation of samurai" thing they had going for a while on some models, either. Sure, all of the old models look a tad goofy by today's standards (just look at all the RT marines or, even more so, the old termies), but the Orks are the most flagrant offenders, I think.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
The Carnifex? Not a huge fan...it was still better than Cuddles the Carnifex.

Yay! Hugs! *Gives cuddle*

Oh wait, you mean this guy


Almost all of the 3rd edition tyranid minis had buffoonish, oversized teeth that made them look like cartoon characters. I singled out the tyranid guard because of the ridiculous sword/shield look they were going for.

I think the original Lictor, released for 2nd ed, was the best.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I think the original Lictor, released for 2nd ed, was the best.

It took me several years to realize that the lictor didn't have a long, strange-looking nose.

Actually, compared to the other 2nd Edition Nids, the Lictor was one of the better ones. In fact, with a new head and the removal of the flesh hooks, that could be a servicable model.

Almost the entirety of the Sisters infantry lines of models.

But there's a special place in my heart (inside of a volcano made of rage, spewing molten magma made of raw hate) is the Dialogous model.

I actually have a special hatred of Sister Pulling The Grenade Pin With Her Teeth.

Don't know why. She just infuriates me in general.

Did anyone bring up the razorgor yet?

Have Sanguinary Guard with Death Masks been brought up?



Seriously, not only are the wings hard as to stick on, for all the advantages in game I may never get over that creepy face...

HoverBoy wrote:Did anyone bring up the razorgor yet?

Spoiler:

BlapBlapBlap wrote:Seriously, not only are the wings hard as to stick on, for all the advantages in game I may never get over that creepy face...

Shall we assume you got over the nipples then?

Fine, nipples too. The entire thing generally looks unreal.

To all those hung up on the armour having nipples please grow up and go and look at some Classical statues. This is what the armour is based on, and it fit in perfectly with the Baroque/Classical artistic themes within the Blood Angels imagery. [/rant]

Yes mixing classical roman armor motifs with aztecish masks is totally logical. /sarcasm

HoverBoy wrote:Yes mixing classical roman armor motifs with aztecish masks is totally logical. /sarcasm

The masks are the deviation from the imagery associated with the Blood Angels, the armour fits perfectly with it. Why to people not have a problem with the masks? Why are all the remarks so childishly hung up on "nipple-armour"? I have more of a problem with the masks not fitting with the background.

The whole point was that the masks are incredibly creepy.

All the necron minis with those horrible horrible bloody green seethrough lego sticks. If you don't paint over those green sticks you're a hideous degenerate monster deserving of death.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:The whole point was that the masks are incredibly creepy.

True, not what you'd expect the fairest of the primarchs to look like at all!

That metal nipple is not a nipple....JUST ANOTHER FIST

:/...

Asuron wrote:This is an old one, but goddamn if it doesn't get me every time. I laugh myself silly, while dying a little on the inside everytime I see it

man this gae me one of those laughs where you start coughing uncontrollably and you feel like your dieing. bravo

HoverBoy wrote:Yes mixing classical roman armor motifs with aztecish masks is totally logical. /sarcasm

Actually, they're not aztec-ish at all. Death masks were an 18th-19th century European tradition, mainly. It was done before then, notably by ancient Egyptians, but BAs borrow heavily from Renaissance aesthetics, into which death masks fit fine.

Cerebrium wrote:

HoverBoy wrote:Yes mixing classical roman armor motifs with aztecish masks is totally logical. /sarcasm

Actually, they're not aztec-ish at all. Death masks were an 18th-19th century European tradition, mainly. It was done before then, notably by ancient Egyptians, but BAs borrow heavily from Renaissance aesthetics, into which death masks fit fine.

I think he meant the bits around the death masks, rather than the actual masks themselves, which do have a slightly Aztec/Mayan feel to them. The deathmasks themselves do fit in with the background, as you say! (wish I'd thought of that!)

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Culexus Assassin. Fethin' Bobble-head!

The old dark eldar army.

The sculpts that I hate the most are the ones that haven't been made yet. How about Valkia the Bloody from WHFB Warriors of Chaos? Giant spear wielding, demon face shield, butt-kicking consort of Khorne. That would be cool. I might even start a WoC army if she was in it.

Another one is Iyanden Spiritseer Iyanna Arienal from the WH40k Eldar codex. (Yes I know it's a little obscure, you can find it on page 20) A female Farseer with a "giant wraithbone construct powered by an Exarch spirit pool". Don't ask me what that should look like but it has to be so cool it hurts.