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China knocks off forgeworld.

Hahaha, I remember my local Co-op department store had a 'Tomb versus Pirate' game that blatantly had Tomb Kings skeletons in 3-up scale as playing pieces... shonky as hell

Damn...
They aren't even trying to hide it...

This totally doesn't seem illegal.

It's cheap though...
Might nab something from them before it all goes tits up.

Interesting, maybe i shall be buying something.

although I question the authenticity of the offer. they are using FWs actual pics so I wonder if its just a scam.

Its amazingly cheap, They have a few links call our parts like on the Warboss but I can't seem to make them work. 25 bucks for a warboss biker makes it totally worth buying. Less than half the cost of FW and if they are even remotely close in quality it will be great.

Dang, they are even selling metal GK terminators AND Harry the Hammer!!!

I really want Harry the Hammer...
Can't afford him right now though.
Godamit...

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I understand that Time is Money to entrepreneurs but even so...

I kinda want to try it, but my conscience would hate me

Damn my moral upbringing!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

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I understand that Time is Money to entrepreneurs but even so...

I'm gonna guess a translation fail occured here...

Yeah, I'll wait till another sucker buys something first. Then we'll see if it's for real or not.

And China can do whatever the heck they want. Who's going to stop them? GW?

hahahahahahahahahahhaha

This is probably for GW pulling out of China, so now they are like, "Hey, F U!"

purplefood wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

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I understand that Time is Money to entrepreneurs but even so...

I'm gonna guess a translation fail occured here...

definitly a translation FU,

they probably have one of those "single word has many meanings" things going on.

Irony.
A company selling knock offs doesn't like people using its images and pictures of these knock offs from its site selling the knock offs.

Can't quite make the site out in terms of how legit or otherwise it is.
Is also listing Rackham, Andrea models, and some PE that looks okay on the face of it. Might be worth a small purchase to see but I don't fancy forking out a fortnight in shipping just for a single mini

That's what i thought...
I'm wondering how they can sell them so cheaply if they are legit though...


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What the hell...
"This product was added to our catalog on Thursday 01 January, 1970."
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purplefood wrote:That's what i thought...
I'm wondering how they can sell them so cheaply if they are legit though...


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Easy they didn't have to pay the sculpters and they pay their casters like .01 an hour.

They also don't actually sell anything.

All of their images are pulled from bits sites, blogs, Forge World/GW's site, etc etc.

It's a guess about what kind of scam it is they're pulling - either recasts, or fishing for payment details from customers.

I certainly wouldn't be sending my credit card details to China.

My guess is like everything else in China they are just ignoring IP rights.

coolyo294 wrote:This totally doesn't seem illegal.

When as a chinese company ever observed a law, especially a copyright law

"This product was added to our catalog on Thursday 01 January, 1970."

I think that date is just a default setting and they haven't changed it.
Other listings have the same date.

Well, I guess they didn't rip GW off cause they apparently have been selling Harry the Hammer since 1970

Clearly it is GW that will be recieving the C&D warning...
How they got away with this thievery will never be known.

purplefood wrote:Clearly it is GW that will be recieving the C&D warning...
How they got away with this thievery will never be known.

yeah, clearly it must have taken some sort of tactical gen- CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!

He must have infiltrated their facilities in a CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!!! and stolen their mold design schematics.

Question to the OP

Are you sure they are in China?
A quick google about the company has only shown a link to the webpage in the linky.
Translate this page from Spanish

Cannot find any contact address or details other than the email addy. This is rather cause for more concern than anything else.
They may be legit for all I know, but am reluctant to trust someone with no form of address other than electronic.
Most on line sellers provide info about themselves

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

"This product was added to our catalog on Thursday 01 January, 1970."

I think that dat eis just a default setting and they haven't changed it.
Other listings have the same date.

It's funny that an online store's default date is 1970, isn't that a bit early? I wonder how many online stores were running in 1970?
This thing is almost certainly a scam, they have no pictures of their own and some strange stock in other categories.

So they deliberately went through the entire catalogue and typed in a silly date rather than a convincing one for each product?




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PS give me a break General it's nearly 5:00am and all I have managed is a couple of hours kip!

thats hilarious.

shows how marked up GW stuff really is.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:So they deliberately went through the entire catalogue and typed in a silly date rather than a convincing one for each product?

I was just saying it was funny that was the default.

Grey Templar wrote:

purplefood wrote:Clearly it is GW that will be recieving the C&D warning...
How they got away with this thievery will never be known.

yeah, clearly it must have taken some sort of tactical gen- CREEEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!

He must have infiltrated their facilities in a CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT!!! and stolen their mold design schematics.

Clearly they came up with the idea in 1970 and GW just stole it. If you read the credits of Starcraft, it clearly states thanks to miniatureshobby.com for not pressing charges. I bet the reason Fw changed the CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORT's name was to try to hide the stealing of it from this upstanding Chinese company.

Also "Handing Time: 5 days"...spellcheck!!! and 5 days seems kind of quick from China.

That's the handling time...
The shipping is a bit longer.

There is one obvious answer to the date and price oddities: this website is clearly a product of the warp.

Were still paying 12 dollars for a tiny piece of metal of plastic :(

cf my addendum General.
It never occured to me that the date was set so early it predated anything but computers that had to be housed in a warehouse they were so large

Am not sure they are in China
Google translate said Spanish?!
So who knows where it is that they don't actually exist!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:cf my addendum General.
It never occured to me that the date was set so early it predated anything but computers that had to be housed in a warehouse they were so large

Am not sure they are in China
Google translate said Spanish?!
So who knows where it is that they don't actually exist!

Sorry I didn't notice that.
Anyway, it's past 12:00 here so I'll be gone soon.

I wonder if anyone who said they would on this thread will actually order from them. I would be surprised if they are legit.

Quite clearly, GW moves to China in 2045, but a Warp Gate opened up when they attempted to cast a model of Tzeench(for the release of Codex: Dark Powers)

the entire company was sucked through the warp and transported back in time to 1970 when they set up show under a new name. they also, in Tzeench's twisted scheme, began to sell their products at rediclously low prices. this under cut their past performance and the company was forced to move to China to save money.

I will make an order to see how legit they are if someone is willing to give me the cash

Well it sounds fair to me

I'm thinking about ordering something from them...
Harry the Hammer is looking very tempting...

purplefood wrote:I'm thinking about ordering something from them...
Harry the Hammer is looking very tempting...

If it's money you're willing to possibly lose, go for it.

Grey Templar wrote: they also, in Tzeench's twisted scheme, began to sell their products at rediclously low prices.

Also known as "non crime against humanity prices".

Would kill to get that Archaon model. If someone can prove this site legit, I'm buying it. If somebody orders and gets their model, can you PM me immediately? I want that model, but I don't wanna pay $45-60 for it...

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Red_Lives wrote:heres the catch

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Do you have any idea how much it costs to return something from china? Don't expect them to cover any miscasts.

Sounds totally legit and dependable to me

Saw some useful little inexpensive bits that wouldn't be a great loss if it went wrong.

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was China as default country in box.
Why google translate was from Spanish is still boggling

Purplefood,
Even if it is somehow above board, the postage is gonna sting.

The whois lookup has the website registered in China.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Saw some useful little inexpensive bits that wouldn't be a great loss if it went wrong.

Shipping quotes are based on the address information you selected:
United Kingdom
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Flat Rate (Best Way) $25.00

was China as default country in box.
Why google translate was from Spanish is still boggling

Purplefood,
Even if it is somehow above board, the postage is gonna sting.

It says that orders over $20 will ship free.
It's also funny that the site is powered by MH (itself) and the privacy page is somewhat lacking:

MH Privacy Notice wrote:

The fact that many of the sections of the website are also blank dose nothing to help its legitimacy

I clicked on the hope page banner for free shipping, and guess what that page said...

free shipping wrote:

Also flat rate shipping quoted above did not change between China, and my post code entry.
Again looking rather dodgy imho


Has anyone else checked out the section "War Games" code WB
Is a lot of Blood Angel product which one would have expected in the Warhammer section?
It is either selling GW products under another name, or just selling copies under another name. Either way cannot be legal?

'Legal' in China depends a lot on who you know, and how much you pay them. Sheer chutzpah can also carry you a long way, so long as you don't step on the wrong toes.

Anyway, looking it over, it looks 'legit' to me, in that if you give them money, they'll send you recast GW stuff. It looks like they've even got some plastic GW bits recast in resin.

Obviously, someone over there has access to some casting gear and knows how much they'll be able to make selling their recasts before GW can make them stop. If it can make them stop.

Alright, if anyone dose order to check if this is legit, order with one of those visa gift cards to hide all of your info.

And I see this going away in MAYBE a month.

This is the info under their "How To Buy" section. There is a lot of spelling mistakes but they do go through paypal only so your credit info should be pretty safe.

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General Seric wrote:
It's funny that an online store's default date is 1970, isn't that a bit early? I wonder how many online stores were running in 1970?

January 1, 1970 is a default date for a lot of computer systems. They count time from that point in a signed 32-bit integer. Interestingly this leads to a Y2K style problem cropping up sometime around the year 2038.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

I'd totally get the DKOK Command squad for 20 bucks.

Btw, as a side note, is anyone else having trouble getting the images to zoom in? Like it says "click for larger picture" but all I'm getting is a white box.

Well at least thru paypal, you have buyer protection. As for GW trying anything against this site, dude its China. This is the country that has a habit of copying stuff and selling it (see NORICO).

I'm sure you can attribute that to more bad coding in the site. If they were asking for credit card payment, I definitely would've expected some kind of card fraud, but with paypal, they could take the payments, drain their paypal account and vanish, but that would strike me as a very short term and fairly small pay off for the effort of putting up a site and setting up the checkout.

So I'm voting recasters. It'll be interesting to see what happens to them.

Website is not working for me, so I cannot look at the fun :(

Quality looks pretty good, they have pictures of a whole araknarok spider cast in resin and the fine details like the webs are there.

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I might have to buy a dread and see how it goes. If all goes right, that Harridan is in my future.

I only wish they had some the chaos dwarf stuff FW is putting out now.

Intrigued. I ordered a DKOK commissar and command squad just to see how it goes - can't go wrong for £16 really. Shame they don't do the rest of the DKOK range.

Strange, Firefox will not go onto that site, but IE went on straight away

A couple of years ago, I'd have looked at this and gone, 'Pah, I prefer my models to be legal!' Sadly, I now look at the GW shop and go, 'Pah, I prefer my models to affordable!' If this site stays open and actually sells decent recasts, it's going to pummel legimtate GW sales on the net.

Only reason I'm not buying anything is they haven't gotten to a kit I want...

HOLY CRAP it has the Wolfen Prowler I've been looking for that model for quite a while

PLEASE someone tell me if this site is legit!

this isn't new... china doesn't do anything about material thats been copy righted, they are notorious B.I.G about that. these models are probably just cheaply casted though its china... you get what you pay for

1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

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Damnit! I am going to place a test order, you cannot argue with this kind of backhanded honesty.

Kroothawk wrote:I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Hang on, I thought FW was the premium range of the best minis maker in the world!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Question to the OP

Are you sure they are in China?
A quick google about the company has only shown a link to the webpage in the linky.
Translate this page from Spanish

Cannot find any contact address or details other than the email addy. This is rather cause for more concern than anything else.
They may be legit for all I know, but am reluctant to trust someone with no form of address other than electronic.
Most on line sellers provide info about themselves

Yes I did a whois on the domain name and it is a Chinese registrar and they have a chinese name server. Also this is from the shipping section of the website.

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That is how I came to the conclusion it was china., that and china copies everything from everyone, the last thing china invented was the wok.

Is okay thanks, subsequently saw all the China postage thing
as mentioned above.
It just threw me with Google translation from Spanish.

made a small purchase. ie $5 . if it arrives all good, if not nothing major lost.

I am ordering the Warbike Warboss. I will let you guys know when it shows. Totally worth risking 25 bones.

OMG see how cheap the DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG COMMAND HQ SQUAD are.

Ironklawmadgutsmek wrote:made a small purchase. ie $5 . if it arrives all good, if not nothing major lost.

Be willing to pay $25 shipping on that, only over $20 ships for free.
Can't wait to see if this is legit and good quality, if it is, I'm totally buying the DKoK commisar and command squad.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Well there you have it folks. Confirmation that they will indeed send you stuff. And equal to FW casting at that!


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And wow, did you guys see their bases? There are some really cool bases pictured!

The Chinese... can't believe I believed that miniatures would be left untouched by them. Damn they are cheap!

Kroothawk wrote:1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

So, would you recommend them?

Doing a search about this, I found a rather lengthy discussion about this website on another forum.

The link starts on Page 7 because that is the point that the actual website URL is brought up. And they go into a pretty good discussion about it. I didn't read all of it though. This is from 2010.

http://www.dragonpainting.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1596&start=60

Edit: Ok reading more of it, apparently they are discussing an Ebay'er who appears to be selling recasts. And they believe it is the operator of miniatureshobby.com Basically someone bought some Rackham stuff and then filed a paypal/ebay dispute and had a hell of a time with it. Apparently Ebay wouldn't pull listings until they were contacted by the IP holder. But the copycats popped up again later anyways.

So this guy is just recasting stuff and selling it. But it is a real business and does deliver product.

Interested to see how reliable they are. Prices are temting for the forge world stuff

Kroothawk wrote:1.) They are not new. And they sell two nice Ork things, a Stompa and a tank, of their own design.
2.) They are indeed located in China. Paying and getting things is no problem. Takes about 20 days to Europe. Although the "order process log" is never updated.
3.) The server sometimes has bandwidth problems, but in the past was always online again after some time. Seems to be offline currently.
4.) Judging from the limited range of products, I guess these were made from the moulds that GW send to China. Maybe they sell off the old stocks or they made extra casts or even duplicate moulds. Nothing unheard of in China, but I have no idea about legality.
5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

As they say, "nothing ventured, nothing gained"

Totally buying 2 DKoK Commissars and the Command squad for 32 bucks. That's a steal. (Pun intended, you mad? )

Damn, now I might look into this...

So its been proven legit? If it is, I am totally getting the DKoK stuff.

Can GW do anything about this, I dont want them to die because of these re-casters.

Happygrunt wrote:Can GW do anything about this, I dont want them to die because of these re-casters.

GW isn't going to die because of a re-caster.

Around €8 for 5 sanguinary guard or €26 from gamesworkshop

Around €16 for a dreadknight or €42.25 from gamesworkshop

Around €20 for a dreadnought with arms or €40 from forgeworld

China's awesome.

insaniak wrote:The whois lookup has the website registered in China.

The domain may be registered in China but it is being hosted in California USA

http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-173-252-192-0-1/pft


ping www.miniatureshobby.com Pinging www.miniatureshobby.com [173.252.203.132] with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=123ms TTL=48 Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=96ms TTL=48 Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=116ms TTL=48 Reply from 173.252.203.132: bytes=32 time=102ms TTL=48 Ping statistics for 173.252.203.132: Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 96ms, Maximum = 123ms, Average = 109ms

ARIN.net says 173.252.203.132 is being hosted in CA. Interesting...

Just a mirror site.

Kroothawk wrote:5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Lol, that actually got my attention. I don't see it on the sight though.

I ordered a DKoK command squad and the fancy-pants Inquisitor. Will see what arrives in the mail in a couple of weeks.

Worth a try

Platuan4th wrote:So, would you recommend them?

I can recommend them for delivering good casts of the models in reasonable time. I have no insight in the legality of the casts. But in my case, FW didn't offer an alternative. So you decide.

Bookwrack wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:5.) I confess I ordered from them because they are the only ones to sell the Forge World Tyranid capillary towers, which are dicontinued by Forge World. The casts I got are at least Forge World quality, if not better.

Lol, that actually got my attention. I don't see it on the sight though.

Hmm, seems they are gone now. Luckily, I got 2 more sets this year.

BTW these are their original concepts:

I ordered a dreadnought and a couple of arms...

Great idea - buy from a knock off company because it's cheap - support the Chinese takeover of the world.

Awesome idea!

The free world has gone to crap - but I saved $10 on my miniatures....

sigh.....do we really want to support this kind of thing....in a country that has standards that would have people going to jail in most of the free worlds?

They also sell cheap hard to get bases, bulk 40mm, 60mm, bikes, etc. I've bought from them on ebay but never seen their full store.

Hey, look at it this way- if you buy from them, you're at once making a statement to Games Workshop about their over-the-top prices, and supporting the expansion of Capitalizm in China.

I'm surprised this topic is open and that mod(s) have even posted.

Aldonis wrote:Great idea - buy from a knock off company because it's cheap - support the Chinese takeover of the world.

Awesome idea!

The free world has gone to crap - but I saved $10 on my miniatures....

sigh.....do we really want to support this kind of thing....in a country that has standards that would have people going to jail in most of the free worlds?

I really don't think it's this extreme...
If anything it will show GW that a small price drop is much in need.

Anvildude wrote:Hey, look at it this way- if you buy from them, you're at once making a statement to Games Workshop about their over-the-top prices, and supporting the expansion of Capitalizm in China.

You're really not. GW and Forge World have supposedly pulled their manufacturing from China for this specific reason.

Anvildude wrote:Hey, look at it this way- if you buy from them, you're at once making a statement to Games Workshop about their over-the-top prices, and supporting the expansion of Capitalizm in China.

It's really easy to sell something cheap when you don't have sculptors and designers to pay.

Theduke07 wrote:I'm surprised this topic is open and that mod(s) have even posted.

Why whats wrong with the topic? Based on the number of pages people seem interested in it.

Because its recasting even if legal in China is usually frowned upon. Talking about casting GW bits usually got the topic locked so I can't imagine why talking about recasting websites would be any better.

Since this seems to be legit(as far as china goes) I may have to order some bases for my terminators. I could get 40 40mm temple(mystery) style bases 30$. That's a massive bargain. Probably get some DW shoulder pads too seeing as they are only 5$.

FW dreads for 17.50$.... damn this stuff is cheap. Could get all forge world dreads for your army cheaper than the GW plastics.

I just paid 64.98 for a Warbike Boss and Grot Tank set. I will post pics when I get them. Great deal.

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I did. Not surprised. Don't care that much if they are decent quality and they aren't ripping people off.

So, I just want to double check here. This guy is legit, and what he... produces is good quality?

If that's the case, then I'll happily get a Dark Angels Dreadnought, 2 multimelta arms and a CC arm.

It isn't legal but it doesn't seem to be a scam and the stuff sold is of good quality according to Kroothawk.

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So they don't have original colour box,but the kit is high quality,ready to assemble and paint.
Please login and go shipping.

Sent them an email, tryin to see if I can't get them to sell some of the other kits in the FW range

Honestly, the fact that so many people are positively eager to use a more-than-likely illegal source for models ought to be a wake-up call to GW. Yes, you need to pay Designers and Sculptors- but look at that! Three or more people just bought items at those lower prices, that most likely would not have bought them from Forgeworld at the higher prices. So say you have four people. One of them buys a FW model, at, say, $60 US. It cost Forgeworld 15 dollars to make that model (we'll discount shipping for now, because the ones that profit off that are a third party) so they're gaining about $45. Obviously some of that would go to sculptors and the like, but right now we're looking at just Gross profit (and truth be told, the materials and labor cost would only be around $5 for all but the hugest of models- resin's cheap, and easy to use if you have the proper equipment The rest of that $15 is going right to the makers).

Now look at all four of those people, buying the same model for ~$20. You're making $5 profit off each of those- $20 there. However, these are illegal 'ripoffs' of the model. Many people balk at the legality of it, and so don't buy the model.

What if you sold the model, legally, from the manufacturer, for $25? You'd get the people with the money (who'd probably buy 2 or 3 instead of just one, based on consumer profiles and psychology- they're willing to spend the money, and they'd see it as a 'great deal'- you see it all the time in clothes shoppers, and with other products that are non-perishable and multi-use) you'd get the people with very limited budgets, who nonetheless want the model (and would otherwise be buying from illegal knockoffs) and you'd get the people who have the money for the more expensive model, but balk at the price, yet are unwilling due to moral issues to use a less-than-legal method of obtaining them. You open the market to probably three or four times the buyers, both psychologically and economically- more than offsetting the loss of revenue due to decreased per-capita price.

Its not illegal in China, and its not illegal to buy forged goods either afaik.

Nothing's really illegal in China as long as you're in a well-off position to begin with.

the difference between illegal and legal is only a matter of being caught and proven guilty.

What a stupid thing to say. The difference between legal and illegal has nothing to do with being caught, only the difference in whether you're punished for it or not.

Like I said proven guilty would imply punishment

Anvildude wrote:Honestly, the fact that so many people are positively eager to use a more-than-likely illegal source for models ought to be a wake-up call to GW. Yes, you need to pay Designers and Sculptors- but look at that! Three or more people just bought items at those lower prices, that most likely would not have bought them from Forgeworld at the higher prices. So say you have four people. One of them buys a FW model, at, say, $60 US. It cost Forgeworld 15 dollars to make that model (we'll discount shipping for now, because the ones that profit off that are a third party) so they're gaining about $45. Obviously some of that would go to sculptors and the like, but right now we're looking at just Gross profit (and truth be told, the materials and labor cost would only be around $5 for all but the hugest of models- resin's cheap, and easy to use if you have the proper equipment The rest of that $15 is going right to the makers).

Now look at all four of those people, buying the same model for ~$20. You're making $5 profit off each of those- $20 there. However, these are illegal 'ripoffs' of the model. Many people balk at the legality of it, and so don't buy the model.

What if you sold the model, legally, from the manufacturer, for $25? You'd get the people with the money (who'd probably buy 2 or 3 instead of just one, based on consumer profiles and psychology- they're willing to spend the money, and they'd see it as a 'great deal'- you see it all the time in clothes shoppers, and with other products that are non-perishable and multi-use) you'd get the people with very limited budgets, who nonetheless want the model (and would otherwise be buying from illegal knockoffs) and you'd get the people who have the money for the more expensive model, but balk at the price, yet are unwilling due to moral issues to use a less-than-legal method of obtaining them. You open the market to probably three or four times the buyers, both psychologically and economically- more than offsetting the loss of revenue due to decreased per-capita price.

Logic and a rudimentary understanding of economics? From GW? You are fooling yourself, sir.

Commisar Wolfie wrote:the difference between illegal and legal is only a matter of being caught and proven guilty.

Sorry to go off topic, but...
if I don't get caught commiting an illegal act, what I did was legal?

going of topic is only against forum rules if the mods hit me on the head with a hammer?

Just pointing this out, we don't KNOW that this is a recast. The "not original" text could have been an error in translation and could not mean what we think it means. For all we know, this guy is taking an EPIC hit for lower prices.

Happygrunt wrote:Just pointing this out, we don't KNOW that this is a recast.

Yes we do. Even if you're so naively optimistic as to think there's some magical chinese gaming fairy who resells genuine FW models at a loss, the fact that elsewhere on the site there are plastic or metal bits being resold as resin casts puts any doubt to rest.

As I mentioned earlier he has listed a load of 40K items as "War Game" or some such.
Strange thing to do if he was above board. Not conclusive proof of course.
Even if they were originals, it is not going to be welcomed by GW that their products are being sold under another brand name.

Either way is contravening GWs legal terms

So, you have evidence, or you think you know? Again, a lot of this could be lost in translation. And I have not seen these plastic and resin recasts. Do I think this is shady business, yah. Is it probably recasts, yah. Do we have any evidence besides internet ramblings and conjectures? No.

(Let me say this. I think this is a recast job. I am simply presenting the other side of the argument.)

Happygrunt wrote:(Let me say this. I think this is a recast job. I am simply presenting the other side of the argument.)

There is no other side. They're recasts. All the evidence is there.

/arguement.

Portugal Jones wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:(Let me say this. I think this is a recast job. I am simply presenting the other side of the argument.)

There is no other side. They're recasts. All the evidence is there.

/arguement.

Show me the evidence then.

@ Happygrunt:

Since when does GW make Resin Sanguinary Guard?

*We know it's fake*

Meh, this sort of thing will be even more common when 3d printers are easier to find and scans easier to make. You can already scan a GW model with a pair of Kinects and some software and make your own that way. Once the model scans make torrent sites GW is done.

Happygrunt wrote:So, you have evidence, or you think you know? Again, a lot of this could be lost in translation. And I have not seen these plastic and resin recasts. Do I think this is shady business, yah. Is it probably recasts, yah. Do we have any evidence besides internet ramblings and conjectures? No.

(Let me say this. I think this is a recast job. I am simply presenting the other side of the argument.)

Sounds like Casey Anthony's lawyer.

Portugal Jones wrote:

Happygrunt wrote:Just pointing this out, we don't KNOW that this is a recast.

Yes we do. Even if you're so naively optimistic as to think there's some magical chinese gaming fairy who resells genuine FW models at a loss, the fact that elsewhere on the site there are plastic or metal bits being resold as resin casts puts any doubt to rest.

We don't know that he's selling at a loss.

Forgeworld do, or at least did, contract some of their casting out to China. For all we know, this guy might actually have negotiated some sort of license with Forgeworld to sell directly. It's unlikely, admittedly... but not impossible.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:As I mentioned earlier he has listed a load of 40K items as "War Game" or some such.
Strange thing to do if he was above board. Not conclusive proof of course.

It could as easily be proof that he just ticked the wrong category when he added those listings to the store. I've done that before myself. It's not remotely evidence of recasting by itself.

I must admit, though, that I would be surprised if these aren't either recasts or unlicenced castings from whatever Chinese facility GW/Forgeworld have been using for their outsourced casting.

They're giving an in-stock count of each item. If they're recasts, then once those are sold through they'll get more. If once an item is gone, it's gone (like the capillary towers, maybe?) Then it's something they somehow acquired through some other source at much less than FW pricing.

Kroothawk wrote:Hmm, seems they are gone now. Luckily, I got 2 more sets this year.

Sell me one set, please?

Canadian 5th wrote:Meh, this sort of thing will be even more common when 3d printers are easier to find and scans easier to make. You can already scan a GW model with a pair of Kinects and some software and make your own that way. Once the model scans make torrent sites GW is done.

God I hope so.

Bookwrack wrote:If they're recasts, then once those are sold through they'll get more.

If they're licensed casts, they'll also probably get more...

Omegus wrote:

Canadian 5th wrote:Meh, this sort of thing will be even more common when 3d printers are easier to find and scans easier to make. You can already scan a GW model with a pair of Kinects and some software and make your own that way. Once the model scans make torrent sites GW is done.

God I hope so.

Same, then I can get my minis the same way I've gotten each codex.

Me too! *wink wink nudge nudge* Say no more!

3d printers of that caliber are still at least a decade away... then there is the fact that the software costs thousands of dollars (and thats something that hasn't changed at all over the years, if anything the software is getting more expensive) and the materials for said printers are only really available in large bulk quantities (and is thus getting more expensive) and yeah... I dont think GW is going to be screwed...

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Either way is contravening GWs legal terms

Again we have forgot GW doesn't have legal terms in China.

Just as we don't allow this site to be used as a resource for illegal downloads, so too we will not use it as a resource for illegal recasts.

Cheers all.