Now, aside from Albion--a FineCast Cold One sold by itself. Huh.



And just for Alpharius...



Prices are:
$15.25 for the Truthsayer/Dark Emissary.
$16.50 for the Cold One.
$24.75 for the Fenbeast.
$35.50 for the Taurus/Lammasu both.

There's also sets of dice for each Lore of Magic, $9.90 each.

So you mean ... the WD was actually saying the truth???

Interesting..............

I'd seen the magic dice listed on spreadsheets (not sure what use they'll really be, I don't even use the cards anymore, just the mini rulebook lore entires).

I really like the first 3 models, they don't look like they correspond to any of the warhammer races, though?

RiTides wrote:Interesting..............

I'd seen the magic dice listed on spreadsheets (not sure what use they'll really be, I don't even use the cards anymore, just the mini rulebook lore entires).

I really like the first 3 models, they don't look like they correspond to any of the warhammer races, though?

Because they do not.

They were for the Albion campaign, with Truthsayers working alongside the 'Good' races and the Dark Emissary working alongside the 'Bad' races.


Kroothawk: right about what?

So that's why the came down so hard on Raging Heroes? The lamassu is an embarrassment. I wouldn't want my name anywhere near it. They should have put forth the extra effort and resulted it instead of just reprinting it.

On a mote positive note, the second and third models look great. How old are those Albion figures?

...the cold one looks cool, but at $20 for a single pose it seems kind of stupid. I can't see any reason to buy just one, and no one in their right mind would spend all that money on a full unit of them (as replacements for their derpy saurus mounts I assume).

Dinosaur and winged bull are my favs.....and I couldn't even tell ya why. I mean, is it a magic dinosaur?

That is one ugly beastie on the bottom

Albion stuff is well albion stuff, no real use if you already have them

Sidstyler wrote:...the cold one looks cool, but at $20 for a single pose it seems kind of stupid. I can't see any reason to buy just one, and no one in their right mind would spend all that money on a full unit of them (as replacements for their derpy saurus mounts I assume).

I think I figured out why, and it all comes down to the fact that there's two riders able to be made from the Black Dragon.

It boggled my mind for a bit too, until I remembered that.

Kanluwen wrote:Kroothawk: right about what?

About listing the releases and release dates for this month. (well except the release date for the dice you didn't mention).
And wow, a second wave of releases after only one week! Guess if one item is shipped one day late, does it make a third wave?

BTW the single cold one is for representing the cold ones without a mount as featured in the SoM book, wild herds of animals look odd with saddles. Too much work to resculpt all 5 of them though for this little gimmick.

Kroothawk wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Kroothawk: right about what?

About listing the releases and release dates for this month. (well except the release date for the dice you didn't mention).

Look again--it's at the bottom, with the prices. I should probably have put up pictures of them but I think everyone knows what dice look like

And wow, a second wave of releases after only one week! Guess if one item is shipped one day late, does it make a third wave?

It's worrying. It looks like the release blackout is true, and that worries me a lot.

Kanluwen wrote:Look again--it's at the bottom, with the prices. I should probably have put up pictures of them but I think everyone knows what dice look like

Yeah, everyone knows the new products, only the old rereleased products are worth showing

They're dice, Kroot. Dice you madman!

Is it really news since all of this is in the White Dwarf that was released two weeks ago?

Yay. More Failcost. How 'bout some more single-frame plastic characters?

All but the dinosaur looks like old metal crap from back in the day.

nkelsch wrote:All but the dinosaur looks like old metal crap from back in the day.

Is this post suppose to be sarcastic?

Guildsman wrote:So that's why the came down so hard on Raging Heroes? The lamassu is an embarrassment. I wouldn't want my name anywhere near it. They should have put forth the extra effort and resulted it instead of just reprinting it.

On a more positive note, the second and third models look great. How old are those Albion figures?

Agree entirely though not quite so keen on the third thing, would rather use a Tor Games Oracnar.
That Lamassu at least makes me laugh even if for the wrong reasons. Looks like Taz's head has been stuck on a bull's body.
It is doubly outrageous they stopped Raging Heroes putting out their excellent sculpt for a mutated Looney Toons.

The second figure I like muchly.

I was going to get Cold Ones for my Lizardmen, but not at that ridiculous price. 2 in the pack and I'd consider it.

Why is there a dinosaur in storm of magic? It isn't any kind of mythical beast. Even in the warhammer world there are cold ones all over the place in dark elf and lizardman armies. They aren't really rare or magical at all.
unless... it isn't just a dinosaur, its a dinosorcerer!

I'm glad they brought back the Dark Emissary. It really is a fantastic model - I currently use one as a Chaos Sorcerer.

The Lamassu is ridiculous. Its an insult to the Raging Heroes lamassu that they lawyered out of production.

Why would someone buy a single cold one for $17 when you can get a unit of 5 for $30? Perhaps if you had a singular old character on an old one?

The dice are on the GW store: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1250257a

Kanluwen wrote:
It's worrying. It looks like the release blackout is true, and that worries me a lot.

What release blackout? What dose that mean?

Dais wrote:Why is there a dinosaur in storm of magic? It isn't any kind of mythical beast. Even in the warhammer world there are cold ones all over the place in dark elf and lizardman armies. They aren't really rare or magical at all.
unless... it isn't just a dinosaur, its a dinosorcerer!

OH !

That made me laugh so hard, now I need to get one with a wizard hat.

I gotta wonder what executive thought that releasing a SINGLE cold one for 20 dollars was a good idea? Over ANY current metal model languishing on a shelf that is actually usable. Just buy a boxset of DE knights or lizardmen knights if you want cold ones THAT badly

$16.50 for a cold one............................ what on earth

Raging Heroes did the Lammasu better...

That Lamassu has got to be the stupidest gakiest thing I have EVER seen come out of Games Workshop. I liked both the Storm Raven and the Nemesis Dreadknight. But for feths SAKE. THAT IS AWFUL. At least it's fincecast, so I can lop off that horrible excuse for a head without trouble. Holy gak. I am ashamed. Warhammer Quest monstering will have to wait. Holy gak. Emperor preserve us!

Oh for feths sake.


Care to take a guess at how old the Lammasue Sculpt is? I was still in school when it was released, so I'd say around 1995, possibly as early as 1993. And you wonder why it looks a tad bland?

It's inexcusably bad! I HATE IT!

Kirasu wrote:I gotta wonder what executive thought that releasing a SINGLE cold one for 20 dollars was a good idea? Over ANY current metal model languishing on a shelf that is actually usable. Just buy a boxset of DE knights or lizardmen knights if you want cold ones THAT badly

Cold ones witrh saddles dont look right when youve supposedly summoned and bound them as WILD ANIMALS.

Oh wait, mindless GW bashing...carry on.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I gotta wonder what executive thought that releasing a SINGLE cold one for 20 dollars was a good idea? Over ANY current metal model languishing on a shelf that is actually usable. Just buy a boxset of DE knights or lizardmen knights if you want cold ones THAT badly

Cold ones witrh saddles dont look right when youve supposedly summoned and bound them as WILD ANIMALS.

Oh wait, mindless GW bashing...carry on.

When it costs a load in order to field a "wild animal unit" I think I'll just stick to saddles

Yet some people will find that unacceptable and will field the modeles without saddles.

The look oft he thing is more important for some people than others.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Yet some people will find that unacceptable and will field the modeles without saddles.

The look oft he thing is more important for some people than others.

Apparently the price isn't as important for some people as it is for others, either. I doubt that many people will shell out 16 bucks for a single cold one when you can get four more (with saddles) for around 10 bucks extra.

But hell, if you want to pay 80 bucks for a unit of 5 cold ones (without saddles), not going to get any complaints from me

Mr Mystery wrote:Oh for feths sake.


Care to take a guess at how old the Lammasue Sculpt is? I was still in school when it was released, so I'd say around 1995, possibly as early as 1993. And you wonder why it looks a tad bland?

A tad bland









If only bland was all that was wrong
20 quid for old lump of tad bland is taking the peepee

nosferatu1001 wrote:Oh wait, mindless GW bashing...carry on.

lol, I beg your pardon but it's anything but, sir.

Oh well, mindless GW white-knighting, guess I should ignore it from now on.


Seriously, I like the cold one, but at almost $17 it's not worth it. Kinda like the Dark Eldar beasts it would cost a small fortune to field them in any significant amount.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Mr Mystery wrote:Oh for feths sake.


Care to take a guess at how old the Lammasue Sculpt is? I was still in school when it was released, so I'd say around 1995, possibly as early as 1993. And you wonder why it looks a tad bland?

A tad bland









If only bland was all that was wrong
20 quid for old lump of tad bland is taking the peepee

I was meaning the comparissons to modern day sculpts. But don't let misinterpretation get in the way of a good dig now, will you? The price is the price, a totally seperate discussion. If you like the rules, and can't find an alternate model, then you can either pay the GW price, or go without. It's up to the individual. Me, I think I'll wait and see what the Forgeworld one is like first. IF it's priced similarly to the Carmine Dragon, then I'll go for that. If not, likely the Finecast one.

Still buying a Lammasu and a Great Taurus, and I'm glad to see they're not $45

Great Taurus is still pretty cool, but I get the feeling we'll be seeing the Forgeworld one afore long, and that's what I'm waiting for!

Tad bland. I do so appreciate good old British understatement

But there is no misunderstanding
It is not a good sculpt. Age is no defense for poor design.

GW used Heuy, Leuy, Deuy and Screwy to lean on Raging Heroes so they could re release a pile of plop without something of quality to show up their own product for the crap it is. They are fair game for ridicule.

Uh huh. So I assume you have all the facts concering that case? And there isn't an ounce of assumption in there at all? Fair enough.

And for it's day, the sculpt was just fine. And until a few weeks ago, it went for a pretty penny in the second hand market. Someone bought my friends one for £50 on ebay. But of course, now it's back in the range, so clearly nobodoy (i.e. yourself) could possibly want it.

In all honesty I don't think the ancient Lammasu and Great Taurus look any worse than the brand new Manticore.

Ah! The light keeps catching the white of his armour... I can't see!!! AHH!!!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Tad bland. I do so appreciate good old British understatement

But there is no misunderstanding
It is not a good sculpt. Age is no defense for poor design.

You're forgetting the tagline for these models:

"Same old sculpt. All new price!"

They do look pretty dippy... but yeah the Lammasu looked pretty dippy when I first saw it 18 bajillion years ago, when it was still 'new'.

And why not try Trolling someone else for a change?

A). I was replying to Chibi.

B). You're 100% correct when you say that comparing models now to models then is often a bad thing to do, because the method of making models has advanced as has the technology that changes exactly how much detail you can have. Where you're a bit off is just using that as a catch-all excuse for why something is allowed to be bad. "It's old" isn't a get-out-of-making-a-good-looking-model free card.

Yes, most old models will look like crap compared to ones made nower days. There are exceptions to this (the Phoenix Lords are good examples of that), and there are obviously new models that are awful (like the plastic Minotaurs). But even the plasitc Minotaurs are far more advanced than, say, the original Beakie Marines.

So in a round about way, what I'm saying Mystery is that jumping into defend these models is silly if you haven't got complete reasoning behind it. "They're old!" doesn't quite cover it. There are old models that are fantastic and there are new models that are terrible.

These models aren't bad because they're old, they're bad because they're bad. That was the point I was making. The Lammasu looked silly and the Taurus kinda dumb when I first saw them when they were originally released. It's not that releasing them now highlights how bad they are (because most of the Storm of Magic monsters are terrible), it's that they were always bad... and now they're Finecast and cost more.

But I said nothing about the price, purely the 'ZMG ALMOST 20 YRZ OLD!' thing. Of course it looks outdated, because it is.

The price thing was Chibi reading between the lines. Again. And seeing nothing so just making it up. Again.

I didn't say you said anything about the price. Chibi didn't say you did either. He mentioned the price of his own accord, yes, but he didn't throw straw at you.

In fact, all Chibi did say is exactly what I said:

"It is not a good sculpt. Age is no defense for poor design."


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DasFluspferd wrote:$16.50 for a cold one............................ what on earth

Could be worse. You could be paying $28 for it.

So I am always making things up now?

I raised the issue of price because it is yet more humour from Nottingham. What am I making up?
imho it ain't worth a fiver.
It still looks like Taz has been bovinised
GW leant on Raging Heroes and got some classy competition closed down.
The sculpt doesn't look dated, it looks crap.
Where am I reading between the lines?

Difference twixt us is that I wiill praise GW and give credit where it is due, and criticise when they play the plonker.

You are defending GW. Again. Inevitably. Pathalogically.

ZMG THE PARTHENON IS 2500 YRZ OLD
of course the sculpture is rubbish, it's soooo old.

Except I'm not. At all.

I point out that the sculpt is knocking on for 20 years old, so of course it looks dated. That was it up to that point. You then linked it to the price, suggesting that despite not mentioning it at all, I was somehow defending it.

Following your post, I then illustrated that the price is the price. If you have a different source, and prefer it, then by all means go for it. I even stated that I'm awaiting the Warhammer Forge version, which is pretty much inevitable at that stage.

So where exactly have I 'defended' GW? Please, point me to it.

Uugh! You know when you read something too quickly and see something that isn't there? Yeah, just got the GW newsletter about the new pre-orders (new fancy coloured dice and a the other things), and it says "Advanced order! More storm of magic products...".

I read it as "Order more!"

Silly me!

Vomot - cold one is fine but as mentioned v expensive for what it is.

No

I mentioned the price in jest cos it is a joke
The age of the sculpt was raised by you
You said it was a tad bland, which I also found amusing.

That was all, but your GW dig alert warning bells started ringing and you felt obliged to defend all things Citadel by making comments about me.

It is already a pointless sidetracking of the thread.
You are entitled to buy Tazamassu for whatever you want to pay. Just as much as I am entitled to roll around the floor laughing at it's ever so slight blandness.

Well, I gotta admit, I'm not surprised that GW is charging a pretty high price for an old, old model that simply doesn't cut it alongside the excellent multipart plastic monsters they tend to produce these days. The Chimera is only about £4 more but looks a ton better. Possibly somewhat subjective on my part, I suppose...

And, of course, it's Finecast. Which instantly worries me, having seen some of the models that are released.

The Albion models are nice to see again. I own them all from when the Campaign ran, and am quite happy with my nice, solid metal models, but they've aged quite gracefully and look pretty good. Of course, again, I'd not buy them new - I'm avoiding Finecast until they've actually been perfected to a similar standard as the metal models they're meant to replace - but at least they look decent for the price. Which is still too high but, hey, someone has to pay for Friday. Friday is Hookers and Coke Day at Warhammer World.

Gotta get down on Friday?

Oh, sure, pollute the post with an association with that...song. My poor hookers and coke will be all upset now. Jervis will be getting no love next Friday. They might even have to change it to Thursday.

That last THING is THE UGLIEST PIECE OF GAK I HAVE EVER SEEN. every model should individually be assembled then hit with a hammer.

I'll just leave this here

About 30 seconds with photoshop and even I am not sure which one is the original

Silver wins the thread

I would sway towards Mystery's argument a little in that the Taurus and Lammasu didn't seem so bad when they were released about twenty years ago. Still, the latter has aged badly and aside from a somewhat desperate attempt to make some cash from veterans, I don't really get why they are releasing them now.

As an aside, the Lammasu was a very similar sculpt to GW's original Manticore.

Akoona-ma-ta-ta!

Flashman wrote:I would sway towards Mystery's argument a little in that the Taurus and Lammasu didn't seem so bad when they were released about twenty years ago. Still, the latter has aged badly and aside from a somewhat desperate attempt to make some cash from veterans, I don't really get why they are releasing them now.

'Cept that's not his argument. Grotsnik's argument is that they shouldn't be criticised at all because they are old. He is of the belief that just because they are old sculpts that they are somehow immune from criticism.

And I'd argue that the Lammasu looked pants when it first game out, and that the Taurus - at least compared to numerous things of the time - such as the Griffon or even the Green Dragon - was pretty lacklustre and dull in comparison.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Kirasu wrote:I gotta wonder what executive thought that releasing a SINGLE cold one for 20 dollars was a good idea? Over ANY current metal model languishing on a shelf that is actually usable. Just buy a boxset of DE knights or lizardmen knights if you want cold ones THAT badly

Cold ones witrh saddles dont look right when youve supposedly summoned and bound them as WILD ANIMALS.

Oh wait, mindless GW bashing...carry on.

You serious? Its mindless bashing to have issues with a riderless coldone that costs almost 20$ each? If you are so incensed by having saddles then by all means spend 200$ for a 100pt unit that wont even do anything...

I'm no expert on the GW release timeline and what came out when, but I think at the time the Lammasu first came out a large % of GW sculpts looked like total gak. The old Space Marines looked gak. The old Tyranids looked gakker than gak. And so on.

That said, I actually kind of like the Lammasu. It looks cartoony and completely out of place amongst 99% of GW's present day's miniatures, but I still like it

I like the Fennbeast as well. Too bad this stuff is Crapcast though.

Yay! Now I can reown fugly 15 + year old models with extra defects for 3 times the price. Thanks Games Workshop!

What do people expect the Lamma and bull are from the OLd Chaos dwarf line.It is a shame that they did not include a Chaos dwarf rider.Heck i might buy one to replace the one i am missing parts to.

gr1m_dan wrote:Akoona-ma-ta-ta!

More like Hashut-a-ma-ta-ta! (Hashut being the god of the chaos dwarfs)

I have both the Lammasu and the Great Taurus sitting, collecting dust on a shelf. I'm a bit saddened by the fact that this is an obvious cash grab and they didn't even bother to make new sculpts just ran resin mix into the old, dusty molds. On the lighter side, I don't have to be jealous of people buying the new ones because, well, they're the same as mine.

I would like to think the inclusion of the Taurus and Lammasu indicates a return of my beloved evil-stunties (outside of forgeworld) but the cynic in my knows that it really is just GW trying to flesh out an expansion with as little cash outlay as possible (ie, reissuing extinct models that they still have molds for, languishing in a box somewhere).

I'd tell them to redo CDs but I simply don't own enough GW stock to make them do anything.

GW
The hobby Porche, fwittened of their image being tarnished by poor quality imitators like Raging Heroes.

Again, the age is not the issue. Other than nostalgiafest for vets the model has bugger all going for it that I can see.

Fair play, they have done something for the vets at last.

The lammasu looks terrible. It always has. The big hat range was pretty awful, so it blended right in. What happened to that range anyway...oh yeah, nobody bought them.

Now, I can appreciate that people have a lot of love for the Dawi'Zhaar, I myself love the background and army concept, but bad is bad is bad, 20 years ago or today.

Fenbeast and the Dark Emissary are old models and they don't suck. Nice to see them back.

SilverMK2, you made me LOL. Hard.

Hey are those un-fixed bubbles in the wing muscles in the lammasu's left wing (the one closest to us in the photo)?

Silver I about died laughing at your photoshop awesomeness...

All of the models look mediocre except for the Cold One.

I really think the main issue with the Lammasu and the Taurus is not so much that compared to most modern figures they, quite frankly, suck Grot bits, it's that they are reissued 20 year old sculpts for more money than the better quality stuff available from others. Saying "Well, they're 20 years old, what did you expect?" should warrant nothing more than "That they be free or for a nominal price since your only defense of their crappy sculpt is 'Hey, they're old.'"

Pointing that out makes the whole actually more insulting, not less. It looks like (as several others mentioned) that this is nothing other than a really transparent grab for fistfuls of cash.

All of THAT out of the way, I like the Albion figs a lot, and the Cold one does look pretty nice. Bit expensive for my blood, but it's slick at least.

7 of the 8 single Lore of Magic Dice sets are already unavailable. Only the multi-color Magic Dice set and the Lore of Light set are still available.

I had no idea they had released that pile of gak years ago with the Chaos Dwarves. But I can't believe they would just re-release it. This was a perfect opportunity to reimagine that utterly HORRIBLE design. But this is just me wishing GW didn't have it's head up its ass. This is just plain laziness...

I genuinely laughed when I saw the Lamassu. It is pretty insulting.

Mr Mystery wrote:
And for it's day, the sculpt was just fine. And until a few weeks ago, it went for a pretty penny in the second hand market. Someone bought my friends one for £50 on ebay. But of course, now it's back in the range, so clearly nobodoy (i.e. yourself) could possibly want it.

Actually, back in the day, the sculpt and figure were generally considered to be a steaming pile. It was a laughing stock, not unlike Nagash. The Taurus was always considered a nice model though. I even have one of those painted up.

Hopefully they can re-release him soon!


Oh wait, it appears that Nagash is still available.

Dice Monkey wrote:Yay! Now I can reown fugly 15 + year old models with extra defects for 3 times the price. Thanks Games Workshop!

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

For GW to pass off the Lameasu as anything other than a tongue-in-cheek low price re-release ("Hey, look at this old model we got out of storage. It's pretty goofy but has a lot of character. Anyone want a cheap monster?") looks to me like an act of desperation. They must be in pretty dire straits to think there will be a market for it (unless they artificially inflate it by making it unreasonably powerful and available to everyone.) I almost wonder if we'll reach the point that Nagash and Squat trikes get mined for release-fodder.

Gymnogyps wrote:Hey are those un-fixed bubbles in the wing muscles in the lammasu's left wing (the one closest to us in the photo)?

Silver I about died laughing at your photoshop awesomeness...

Wouldn't be surprised, they keep recommending that you just leave bubbles alone because "you won't see them when painted" in their Finecast articles (they posted up a new one recently, there's a link to it in one of the What's New Today posts...sadly it had no advice for re-sculpting missing details).

Personally I think that's just part of the "detail" of the wings, because the bull also has them. Kind of an odd detail though, skin doesn't usually just have holes in it.

Sidstyler wrote:Kind of an odd detail though, skin doesn't usually just have holes in it.

Skin has many holes, they're called pores. Finecast is that detailed you see

You silly guys are just jealous at the Lammasu for him being better looking than you are yourself

All joking aside though, the bitching and the whining about every fething little thing has grown to quite pathetic proportions lately. It is degrading the site and it only seems to get worse.

It is perfectly alright to complain a fair amount about quality issues of certain material & price raises, but before anyone feels genuinly insulted by GW re-releasing some old sculpts I sure hope you realize that in this case these are just some extras they are providing us with.

It is also perfectly alright to not like a sculpt, but it is not exactly like this is a new army release full of gak that we now have no alternative to that is being pushed upon us, is it?

This is just some old stuff they are again making available for anyone who might like it, which they did not have to do in the first place, and if you don't like it then there is absolutely no reason to buy any of it, let alone be reason for any self-respecting individual to feel insulted.

Flashman wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Kind of an odd detail though, skin doesn't usually just have holes in it.

Skin has many holes, they're called pores. Finecast is that detailed you see

TBD wrote:It is perfectly alright to complain a fair amount about quality issues of certain material & price raises, but before anyone feels genuinly insulted by GW re-releasing some old sculpts I sure hope you realize that in this case these are just some extras they are providing us with.

I'm not complaining about their release, I don't care if they feel like bringing old stuff back. I don't see many people buying them though if even back when they were new they weren't very popular sculpts.

So anyway, does anyone have any pics of the regular (Dark Elf) Cold Ones without a rider on them? I was about to buy a box of them for the Cold Ones but didn't realise they come with built in saddles. (not for Storm of Magic, just cos I spotted them and thought they looked cool to use for generic Fantasy/Sci-Fi beasties.

I... like Nagash.

ghosty wrote:I... like Nagash.

Lucky for you then that he'll be re-released shortly as a fine cast at only $50.


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I just took a look at the Raging Heroes Lammasu and Manticore Why would anyone buy the GW offerings when there are scupts of that quality out there?

You silly guys are just jealous at the Lammasu for him being better looking than you are yourself

I admit he is more handsome than I, but am not envious.
I have learned to love the inner me or some such self improving BS

ghosty wrote:I... like Nagash.

Yeah, sounds like they have a problem with flamboyant liches....

scipio.au wrote:So anyway, does anyone have any pics of the regular (Dark Elf) Cold Ones without a rider on them? I was about to buy a box of them for the Cold Ones but didn't realise they come with built in saddles. (not for Storm of Magic, just cos I spotted them and thought they looked cool to use for generic Fantasy/Sci-Fi beasties.

I don't have pictures of them, but they have saddles, reins, and bridles sculpted on. They also have a piece of barding around the front torso.

It's a lot to shave off, and sculpting would be required if you want to just have 'generic' Fantasy/SciFi beasties.

I'm glad to see the albion stuff back. I had a truthsayer somewhere which I used as a tribal shaman/pysker a few times in nercomunda.

Also I do like that tauros /Bull with wings.

Am i the ONLY one who likes the Lamassu?

no
A couple of idio... I mean good folks have proclaim their adoration for the ugly bugger
but you are in a minority

Formosa wrote:Am i the ONLY one who likes the Lamassu?

I liked it when it first came out and I owned Chaos Dwarves.

It is looking its age now mind, much like I find many of the GW mini's from the early 90's do. Probably why I struggle to get excited over certain miniatures some of the other companies out there are producing. The ones that I find when I look at them, they remind me of that period's style, such as a fair few of the figs over at Reaper.

Forgive my ignorance about molding and sculpting, but are they using the old metal molds for these sculpts, or did they create new molds for these 20 year old kits?

As I understand it Puma, they will have created new moulds from the masters of the old kit.

Finecast requires a different type of casting process from metal.

at first i wasn't interested in SOM, but the monsters caught my eye (there inclusion, not rules etc.) i love wierd and wonderful monsters, and the outlandish look of the lamassu suits this, for me anyway, it looks at odds with everything else in the monsters range, love the beard, wings, and its general asthetic.

The paint job however.. is naff, mine will be awesome sauce

Can you pant with awesome sauce?
If so where can you get it, cos I sure as hell could use some

Me too, I'm only able to paint with mediocre sauce...

its really expensive and contains Taurine... and bits of Hasslehofs skin

Damn
Being a veggie can't use it if it contains animal products

What will be sweetest of all is the tears of those foolish gamers who spend a small fortune on the 'new money for old rope' finecast miniatures their dredging up for this expansion and summer event when GW do to this what they've done to every other event and summer army... rend them extinct. The only difference here is that these tired old minis will be made extinct for a second time!

And then your new finecast taurus can gather dust on the shelf with the ancient metal one, both unusable.

Perhaps you can sit them next to the squats and cult of slaanesh army you took 3 months converting...

Pardon my niavetie but I thought SoM would be an ongoing game sort of like like Mordheim or Necronevermind, I see what you mean now MGS

I don't understand why people get so upset. This took like zero effort for GW to release. You don't like it and it's too expensive? Well that's easy, don't buy it. There's a lot of stuff that I don't buy. The Lamassu reminds me of the Mini Cooper. I think it's ugly, and way too expensive for an ugly little car. So I just... didn't buy one. Every day of my life, I don't buy a Mini Cooper. It's worked okay so far.

I've always liked the Taurus. It obviously looks a little old compared to the new sculpts, and I'm excited to see what Forgeworld will do with the concept. Still, I might grab one of these just for kicks. As far as the Lamassu, that thing comes from the days when all of GW's stuff looked really cartoony. I know some guys who loved that era, and don't like the current blood guts viiolence "realism" look. It's not really my cup of tea, but I can at least understand the sentiment.

Hold on pal
Associating a style icon of the 1960's with GW's Lamassu is one of the more outrageous claims ever made on Dakka

Adding the domestic economy platitude in there as well is too much. The analogy is just not working.

Hi hon I'm home
sorry I'm late I couldn't resist popping to the car showroom for a small saloon.

btw Took no effort for GW to release it may actually not be a good selling point




ps Fell in love with the Mini Coopers, as a young lad, watching the news of them zipping around the Alps, winning the Monte Carlo rally

MeanGreenStompa wrote:What will be sweetest of all is the tears of those foolish gamers who spend a small fortune on the 'new money for old rope' finecast miniatures their dredging up for this expansion and summer event when GW do to this what they've done to every other event and summer army... rend them extinct. The only difference here is that these tired old minis will be made extinct for a second time!

And then your new finecast taurus can gather dust on the shelf with the ancient metal one, both unusable.

Perhaps you can sit them next to the squats and cult of slaanesh army you took 3 months converting...

Why is it foolish to buy something you like? I know its an old sculpt, I know it doesn't stand up to newer stuff, but hey I like it it, I dont like Lizardmen stuff, so anyone who buys them is foolish!
And as a Chaos player the Lamassu will never go extinct, Deamon prince, funky warshrine, Chaos Sorceror Lord on Disc, Counts as is my friend

funky warshrine, Chaos Sorceror Lord on Disc

Anyone unable to think of anything other than some groovy hipster 70's DJ with an afro, gold medallion, tank top (gaudy sleeveless jumper not a vest)
big flares and platforms. Shirt has collars with the wing span of a Jumbo jet.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:What will be sweetest of all is the tears of those foolish gamers who spend a small fortune on the 'new money for old rope' finecast miniatures their dredging up for this expansion and summer event when GW do to this what they've done to every other event and summer army... rend them extinct. The only difference here is that these tired old minis will be made extinct for a second time!

And then your new finecast taurus can gather dust on the shelf with the ancient metal one, both unusable.

Perhaps you can sit them next to the squats and cult of slaanesh army you took 3 months converting...

This makes no sense whatsoever! How will the game become 'extinct' exactly? Does the rulebook self-destruct after a while? As far as I can see, I can play SoM forever if I so choose. I have the rules, I have a table, I have people to play.

UltraPrime wrote:This makes no sense whatsoever! How will the game become 'extinct' exactly? Does the rulebook self-destruct after a while? As far as I can see, I can play SoM forever if I so choose. I have the rules, I have a table, I have people to play.

Unless of course GW completely overhauls the magic system in 9th Edition and makes SoM unsuable. This sort of thing has happened in the past...

...but to be fair, they have got better at not squatting things in the last five to seven years. All of the 40K expansions from Cities of Death onwards are still playable and some very old Codexes are still in use.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:What will be sweetest of all is the tears of those foolish gamers who spend a small fortune on the 'new money for old rope' finecast miniatures their dredging up for this expansion and summer event when GW do to this what they've done to every other event and summer army... rend them extinct. The only difference here is that these tired old minis will be made extinct for a second time!

No, the only difference is this is not like the old summer campaign books. Note - those were army books with army lists designed for that campaign.

Storm of Magic is basically Apocalypse Fantasy. It's a proper expansion, not a limited time expansion to conincide with an event. And while there is a Storm of Magic event, it's actually there to support sales for the expansion, not the other way around.

Storm of Magic won't go extinct like Lustria, Albion or Storm of Chaos, just like Apocalypse, Cityfight and Planetstrike haven't gone extinct like Codex Armageddon and Codex Eye of Terror.

Planetstrike never got a chance to go extinct. It was stillborn.


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Flashman wrote:Unless of course GW completely overhauls the magic system in 9th Edition and makes SoM unsuable. This sort of thing has happened in the past...

...but to be fair, they have got better at not squatting things in the last five to seven years. All of the 40K expansions from Cities of Death onwards are still playable and some very old Codexes are still in use.

Yeah, I was about to say. They're pretty good at keeping things playable (however badly) with whatever edition they've got out. Often its to the detriment of the game (some things need complete overhauls, and legacy issues are holding them back), but they are far better now than before when it comes to the wholesale removal of things from the game.

Pity most of my armies are not part of that.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Can you pant with awesome sauce?

You can pant with whatever you eat

And just for the record: I like the Lammasu model and bought a complete Bighat Chaos Dwarf army including Lammasu and Taurus two years ago. But I also own the Raging Heroes Lammsshu.

Kroothawk wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Can you pant with awesome sauce?

You can pant with whatever you eat

And just for the record: I like the Lammasu model and bought a complete Bighat Chaos Dwarf army including Lammasu and Taurus two years ago. But I also own the Raging Heroes Lammsshu.

Please keep me in mind if you're ever in the mood to sell that CD army!

I sure would have liked to have gotten some of the Shadow Dice...

However, not checking email over a very busy weekend has made this a little more difficult. GW needs to make their batch sizes a little larger. They sell out of the limited items instantly.

HungryTaz wrote:I sure would have liked to have gotten some of the Shadow Dice...

Buy some normal dice and paint them grey? It astounds me how GW can add value to a 8 cubes of plastic purely by releasing them in different colours and in limited numbers

Flashman wrote:It astounds me how GW can add value to a 8 cubes of plastic purely by releasing them in different colours and in limited numbers

Now, now. Let's not blame make it out as if GW is doing anything different to anyone else. The power of 'Limited Edition' holds sway over many people, regardless of business and in spite of reason. This is something that GW can do right, from time to time.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Flashman wrote:It astounds me how GW can add value to a 8 cubes of plastic purely by releasing them in different colours and in limited numbers

Now, now. Let's not blame make it out as if GW is doing anything different to anyone else. The power of 'Limited Edition' holds sway over many people, regardless of business and in spite of reason. This is something that GW can do right, from time to time.

Right or wrong, it's still astounding

Hey, I've bought Games Day miniatures for no other reason than they were Games Day miniatures. Did I need a screaming Marine with a Thunder Hammer? No! But damn it, he's Ltd. Edition, so I couldn't resist!

Ok, limited edition when a nicely sculpted mini



However, limited edition for multi-coloured dice



Maybe it's the funky pouch...

But there are skulls on those dice! And as players of Warhammer... we know the value of skulls!

HungryTaz wrote:But there are skulls on those dice! And as players of Warhammer... we know the value of skulls!

This should have been the winning business plan on The Apprentice Final last night. Multi-coloured dice with skulls. Alan Sugar would have snapped it up in no time.

ooo anyone else think that those on a leather strap would make a cool necklace

+ wear the posing pouch and nowt else = CHICK MAGNET!

If only they hadn't sold out already I would have been a hit at the beach this summer

Mr Mystery wrote:Uh huh. So I assume you have all the facts concering that case? And there isn't an ounce of assumption in there at all? Fair enough.

And for it's day, the sculpt was just fine. And until a few weeks ago, it went for a pretty penny in the second hand market. Someone bought my friends one for £50 on ebay. But of course, now it's back in the range, so clearly nobodoy (i.e. yourself) could possibly want it.

It came with the rider though right? I like how you gloss over the fact that GW resurected an ancient sculpt, took away the Chaos Dwarf rider, recast the mounts in FINECAST(tm) and is selling half a kit as new product. The fact of the matter is that: The sculpts didn't age well, and the huge empty spot on the back is indicative of why they look so incomplete. They were intended to have riders.

nosferatu1001 wrote:[
Cold ones witrh saddles dont look right when youve supposedly summoned and bound them as WILD ANIMALS.

Ever open the stable doors on a bunch of angry mounts?

I think the idea of unleash the beasts works well enough. Especially when the idea is a Lore of Beasts Slann just flicking a switch in their domesticated brains and letting them loose.

I was considering to buy the special dice for the Lore of Death for my Dark Elves, but "pink dice of doom" just don't do it

You can pant with whatever you eat

Hence the expression, " What you eat is what you art."

Yuck, I have no problems with GW re-releasing half decent sculpts but seriously? I still have tears of laughter after looking at the lammasu. The old fenbeast looks naff also, I am hoping that a better paintjob could redeem it however. It is good to see the two scorcerers back, they still remain decent sculpts in my eyes.

The fenbeast is awesome. I have 9 of them.

I don't think you'll see a lot of people buying 9 Fenbeasts now at the current price of $24.75 US.

@Brass Scorpion: I got mine at one of their now defunct auctions. Cost me $50 for the 9.

As for GW's pricing - Management seems to think their "followers" can bear any expense for cool conversions.

Any minute now, somebody from GW will post on their web portal, pics of that crazy staffer's "Sons of Minos" army who built his Thunderwolf Cavalry out of Forgeworld marines riding Cybernetic Bull Taurus models, extolling how easy Finecast is to cut, and how easily they combined with the plastic Marine parts.

They'll even helpfully list the components needed to build a sqaud...

3x Bull Taurus
1x Space Marine Bike box (for the legs)
1x Space Marine Scout bike box (for the stowage)
1x Space Marine Command Squad (for bodies, heads and arms)
1x Thunderhammer/Stormshield bitz pack
1x Greenstuff
OPTIONAL: Forgeworld Red Scorpions kit.



*/joke*

The only good stuff to come out of SoM are the plastic wizards and the cockatrice. The rest is either abysmaly dull (and frankly awkward/weird) or old tripe given the finecast treatment.

Let down.

FTL

HungryTaz wrote:GW needs to make their batch sizes a little larger. They sell out of the limited items instantly.

That's probably intentional. Selling out over the weekend makes them look good, even if they only made 20 sets they can still say "People are so crazy about Storm of Magic that the entire stock of limited edition items sold out immediately, it was insane!"

It helps to focus the mind on an immediate purchase.
If it isn't limited you can always get it later or change your mind and not bother.

If limited numbers are available there is always a chance it will be sold out if you leave it for later.
gotta get it while ya can

So I'm clearly late to this ball game, but...



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What the hell? How can anyone possibly defend this company for burning money re-creating the molds for this abomination? Could you imagine someone getting out their brand new finecrap TazmanianDevilassu model and looking across the table at a Raging Heroes one? No wonder GW made idle, unfounded threats. The Raging Heroes Manticore freaking blows away the ALL NEW sculpt GW put out, and GW even waited a good while after RH's Manticore to see how great of a model it could be, and still got it wrong!

Ok fine, they want to bully around competition that can create a VASTLY SUPERIOR PRODUCT. I understand that. Companies don't like when other people do it better than they do. But to bully others, and then bring back a twenty year old sculpt that was laughable even when it was first released? It's just plain sad.

What was the catchphrase again?

Ah yes
You can't beat a bit of bully.

Well you can't really blame them for trying to shut out competition... GW's whole schtick is that they charge what they do because their minis are vastly superior.

40 euros: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1250010a
45 euros: http://www.ragingheroes.com/collections/complete-collection/products/manticore

Wow
There was me thinking that the Raging Heroes would have ben lots more pennies

Feel that makes it a whole lot worse!

I think GW really should have "remastered" the Taurus and Lammasu to bring it into line with their new artwork in the Storm of Magic book. IE, boney creast groing down the taurus spine and the Lammasu's beard being a bit more haggard, as well as making both faces a little bit more viscious looking. They added details to the Forest Dragon when it was re-released when Wood Elves were reworked, adding vines and sprites that added to that classic models aesthetic. Why couldn't they do the same for these? Nostalgia is good and all, but put some effort into it, please.

Kirbinator wrote:So I'm clearly late to this ball game, but...



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What the hell? How can anyone possibly defend this company for burning money re-creating the molds for this abomination? Could you imagine someone getting out their brand new finecrap TazmanianDevilassu model and looking across the table at a Raging Heroes one? No wonder GW made idle, unfounded threats. The Raging Heroes Manticore freaking blows away the ALL NEW sculpt GW put out, and GW even waited a good while after RH's Manticore to see how great of a model it could be, and still got it wrong!

Ok fine, they want to bully around competition that can create a VASTLY SUPERIOR PRODUCT. I understand that. Companies don't like when other people do it better than they do. But to bully others, and then bring back a twenty year old sculpt that was laughable even when it was first released? It's just plain sad.

It took longing for the RTV Rubber mold to harden that it took for them to remake it for the Finecast "sprues".

Just saying, but don't let me get in the way of your hatefest.


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NELS1031 wrote:I think GW really should have "remastered" the Taurus and Lammasu to bring it into line with their new artwork in the Storm of Magic book. IE, boney creast groing down the taurus spine and the Lammasu's beard being a bit more haggard, as well as making both faces a little bit more viscious looking. They added details to the Forest Dragon when it was re-released when Wood Elves were reworked, adding vines and sprites that added to that classic models aesthetic. Why couldn't they do the same for these? Nostalgia is good and all, but put some effort into it, please.

That's not going to happen. If they're going to redo the model, it will be as a plastic release. And for both of those models, that will wait until (if)when Chaos Dwarves get redone.

It cost them next to nothing to bring back those models for this. even if they only sell a handful (which is probably all they expect to sell), it's profit.

Worglock wrote:It took longing for the RTV Rubber mold to harden that it took for them to remake it for the Finecast "sprues".

Just saying, but don't let me get in the way of your hatefest.

Could someone please translate into English?

So far I understand that desire hardens the RTV rubber mold but I am not sure what the object or cause of the desire is. Am intruiged that emotions are being used to cure the molds.

I see incredulity but not a lot of hate in Kirby's comment.
Are you concerned that hatred might interfere with the longing and ah *sound of penny falling*
Now we know why the Finecast models have been having problems.
The collective angst and hatefesting have stopped the longing and made the moulds go poopy. It's all our fault and IN NO WAY THE FAULT of GW

I will send them a personal apology Worglock

Im definitely getting some of those Albion minis... since I was on hiatus when that all went down...

However, we were all here when it was retconnned... along with Storm of Chaos...

Bahahaha

Im happy with my Full color Storm of Magic. I hope they keep the full color books.

i love all of it, besides the new dino. Even the Lamassu, I love them all. The Truthsayer has always been one of my favorite models

Worglock wrote:It took longing [sic] for the RTV Rubber mold to harden that [sic] it took for them to remake it for the Finecast "sprues".

Just saying, but don't let me get in the way of your hatefest.

I think "longer" and "than" are the words you're shooting for. Just saying, but don't let me get in the way of you feeling that any criticism of a company with exceedingly aggressive lawsuit threat strategies combined with poor product release decisions should be considered a "hatefest". As Chibi put it, it's purely me being incredulous that the decision-makers feel this will win the hearts and wallets of the Warhammer populace.

I am unsure what exactly it is you're trying to express. Is that your response to me being in mock surprise that GW in its infinite business wisdom has re-released a 20-year old sculpt that was laughable when it first came out and then pricing it as a new, fully developed product? Because it was easier for them to take old, outdated molds and lightly modify them to make new masters than it was to actually make a new, fully developed product? Shocking. I stand by my statement that it is a waste and I find it sad.

While there is certainly a fair bit of unsupported GW disdain tossed about in these forums, there is more than a fair share of legitimate criticism. I'll let you determine which my particular brand of commentary falls into. GW has done plenty of things right; their status as the (bleeding to death) #1 miniatures gaming company in the world is proof of that. As I stated earlier, though, I fail to see what exactly it is people are defending or accomplishing by writing off legitimate criticism as "Oh you're just a GW hater". My two 40k armies and WHFB army are plenty evidence for me that GW had plenty of appeal and has since ground it into the dirt.

Kirbinator wrote:

Worglock wrote:It took longing [sic] for the RTV Rubber mold to harden that [sic] it took for them to remake it for the Finecast "sprues".

Just saying, but don't let me get in the way of your hatefest.

I think "longer" and "than" are the words you're shooting for. Just saying, but don't let me get in the way of you feeling that any criticism of a company with exceedingly aggressive lawsuit threat strategies combined with poor product release decisions should be considered a "hatefest". As Chibi put it, it's purely me being incredulous that the decision-makers feel this will win the hearts and wallets of the Warhammer populace.

I am unsure what exactly it is you're trying to express. Is that your response to me being in mock surprise that GW in its infinite business wisdom has re-released a 20-year old sculpt that was laughable when it first came out and then pricing it as a new, fully developed product? Because it was easier for them to take old, outdated molds and lightly modify them to make new masters than it was to actually make a new, fully developed product? Shocking. I stand by my statement that it is a waste and I find it sad.

While there is certainly a fair bit of unsupported GW disdain tossed about in these forums, there is more than a fair share of legitimate criticism. I'll let you determine which my particular brand of commentary falls into. GW has done plenty of things right; their status as the (bleeding to death) #1 miniatures gaming company in the world is proof of that. As I stated earlier, though, I fail to see what exactly it is people are defending or accomplishing by writing off legitimate criticism as "Oh you're just a GW hater". My two 40k armies and WHFB army are plenty evidence for me that GW had plenty of appeal and has since ground it into the dirt.

Kirb, you took the words right out of my mouth...

/babies?