Here the August release list as shown in a leaked preorder form posted by close313 over at Warseer:

(Please scroll down for the updated list with prices, I keep this old one as it includes the nonconfirmed Finecast rereleases):

6th August

Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (plastic kit, also usable as Terrorgheist, on an Arachnarok sized base)
Vampire Counts Cairn Wraith (seems to be plastic blister)
Vampire Counts Tomb Banshee (seems to be plastic blister)
Vlad Von Carstein (Finecast)
Konrad Von Carstein (Finecast)

Inquisitor Karamazov (Finecast)
Dark Elves War Hydra (Finecast)
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Cold One (Finecast)
Wood Elf Spellweaver with Staff (Finecast)

Garden of Morr (this is a multipart plastic graveyard terrain set)


20th August

Chaos Daemons Battalion / Battleforce (seems to be 20 bloodletters, 10 daemonettes, 10 horrors, 5 mounted daemonettes)
Chaos Daemons Herald of Tzeentch on Disc of Tzeentch (new, Finecast)
The Changeling (Finecast)
Chaos Daemons Bloodthirster (Finecast)
Chaos Daemons Lord of Change (Finecast)

Dark Eldar Ur-Ghul (new, Finecast, see pic)
Dark Eldar Medusae (new, Finecast, see pic)

(I am not sure if there will be more "hidden" Finecast rereleases not included in that list, we will see).

First WD scans floating the web, posted a.o. by MadCowCrazy over at Heresy Online and enhanced now by jojo_monkey_boy:





"ihavetoomuchminis" over at Warseer posted a summary of the new Vampire rules, including the Ghoul King, Terrorgheist, new Wraith and Banshee rules:

all these new rules are meant to be official rules.

The Ghoul king mount thing. It's worth some more points than a Varghulf. It can be included as a mount for a ghoul king (wich is any vampire lord with the ghoulkin vampiric power) or as a RARE UNIT.

It flies, causes terror, is large target, undead. I think it is WS3 or 5, not sure on that. S5, T6, W6, I3, A4, L??.

It has a shooting attack similar to the banshee. Roll 2d6 + number of wounds remaining of the monster - Leadership of the target unit = No armour saves allowed wounds. Not sure on the range. I think it was 18". Probably less.

Can be upgraded with poisoned attacks and/or a special rule that inflicts 3d6 S2 hits on any BtB unit when it dies.

The wraiths become a hero choice, and it seems they can join units. They are the same stats as in the VC book, and can make an special attack, replacing its normal attacks. This special attack auto-wounds and doesn't allow armour saves. The model is plastic and has 3 different heads. It's like levitating, with a cloak and a scythe.

The banshees become a hero choice (not sure if they can join units). Not new rules. The model is great. Also levitating.

It isn't specified if the wraiths rare unit of the VC book is still usable.

What I like: all, but the fact that they are giving us even less reasons to take anything but ghouls as basic units.

Edit:

New pics from the Clapham Wargamers Guild website, reposted and brought to my attention by Gazak Blacktoof over at Warseer:












Edit 2:

I can confirm the following:

6th August

Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (plastic kit, also usable as Terrorgheist, on an Arachnarok sized base) 45.50 €
Vampire Counts Cairn Wraith (plastic blister) 10.50 €
Vampire Counts Tomb Banshee (plastic blister) 10.50 €
Vlad Von Carstein (Finecast, mail order only) 15.00 €
Konrad Von Carstein (Finecast, mail order only) 15.00 €

Garden of Morr (this is a multipart plastic graveyard terrain set) 32.50 €


20th August

Chaos Daemons Battalion / Battleforce (20 bloodletters, 10 daemonettes, 10 horrors, 5 mounted daemonettes) 85.00 €
Chaos Daemons Herald of Tzeentch on Disc of Tzeentch (new, Finecast, mail order only) 30.00 €
Chaos Standards of Tzeentch (3, Finecast, mail order only) 15.50 €
Chaos Standards of Khorne #1 (3, Finecast, mail order only) 15.50 €
Chaos Standards of Khorne #2 (3, Finecast, mail order only) 15.50 €

Dark Eldar Ur-Ghul (new, Finecast) 12.50 €
Dark Eldar Medusae (new, Finecast) 12.50 €


There is no scroll of binding for including the Terrorgheist or Zombiedragon into SoM, but both and Wraith and Banshee are explicitely mentioned to be a possible part of a pact. And yes, Banshee and Wraith get a ruleset to make them a hero choice, explicitly in addition to existing rules in the army book.

None of the other Finecast recasts are mentioned in the WD, so GW continues to deny the existence of that product range

The preview page confirms the second part of the Sororitas Codex and the September release of the Ogre Kingdom army book including monsters bigger than a house!

Not bad, the Vampire Dragon is especially impressive, although I doubt the DE models will encourage people to take more Archon Courts, considering how awful they are.

Do want Zombie Dragon.

I gotta say I am dissapointed, not due to the models or anything, I have no input on them, but of the fact that GW is still on the Dark Eldar train. Its been long enough, time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

Jburch wrote:I gotta say I am dissapointed, not due to the models or anything, I have no input on them, but of the fact that GW is still on the Dark Eldar train. Its been long enough, time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

Dark Eldar wait for 13 years to receive an overhaul. 13 years. Now that they've had a string of models that hasn't even lasted a whole year yet, they're getting too much love. The whole range needs to be re-done, I think a few models here and there isn't exactly that bad.

Not quite impressed.

Jburch wrote: time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

Erm, we are talking about Dark Eldar here, who waited 13 f...ing years for their release.

Dark Eldar line will be pretty much complete with this release. I'm glad they're coming out.

One should EXPECT GW to keep coming out with models for an army until everything is availiable. It's no surprise that these are coming out. Complaining about them and not some other army getting something is just silly.

I'll definatly be purchasing one full court. Models are o.k. to me and they still "look the part".

A dragon not launching itself into the air from a tree/rock. What a novel idea

Nice sculpt I suppose. I was really hoping for the Abyssal Terror though. Everyone has dragons these days, it's soooo 7th Edition.

Jburch wrote:I gotta say I am dissapointed, not due to the models or anything, I have no input on them, but of the fact that GW is still on the Dark Eldar train. Its been long enough, time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

I can't breathe, I'm laughing so goddamn hard over here.

The Dark Eldar Archon's court models look cool but I'd need to see better pictures of them. That zombie dragon just came out of nowhere though, and it's pretty boss.

Zombie dragon looks awesome. Court models are okay--they could have botched the medusae easily, I'm glad they didn't. Ur-ghul model explains the odd 4 eye socket skull ornament on some dark eldar models.

Can't say the new rumor policy makes any positive difference whatsoever.

I like all of these models. I don't see a problem with the Dark Eldar miniatures. Also they deserve a completed range after their long wait.

While, I already have a zombie dragon converted from a plastic fell beast. I need this one. That Vampire Lord, is freaking sweet. He and the new necromancer are so much closer to the codex artwork than any of the previous lord/hero models. I may even have to bits order a second on for my Blood Knights. This is the first GW dragon that I've actually liked it has actual anatomy, and a head that's not freakishly huge. So, I'm guessing that Trish didn't do this one? I also like the fact that its build is light and lanky. Its supposed to fly after all, magic not withstanding. The ground based pose is is a nice change as well, and similar to the picture in the previous codex.



Also, we're getting plastic Wraith and Banshee Blisters, and plastic terrain as well!

Faints...

The dragon is ok. Not too impressed with the beasts GW is coming out with altely. I like the rider more than the dragon itself.

I wish the picture of the dragon was a little clearer but none the less it still looks impressive

I understand that D. Eldar have waited forever for an update, and they got it....and then some. All I am saying is that it is dissapointing thinking that something new / fresh / exciting will come out, and then realizing that it is just a couple more dark eldar, that noone will probably use. Sorry, didnt mean to get your guys panties all up in a wad, thought this was a place to give opinions.

Jburch wrote:I understand that D. Eldar have waited forever for an update, and they got it....and then some. All I am saying is that it is dissapointing thinking that something new / fresh / exciting will come out, and then realizing that it is just a couple more dark eldar, that noone will probably use. Sorry, didnt mean to get your guys panties all up in a wad, thought this was a place to give opinions.

I never wear panties, commando is much more comfortable. I get what your saying though. Everybody wants new stuff, but some people actually need new stuff.

Did he happen to say what the back page of WD was?

Well, I'm glad to see that GW have got their priorities right. Just what the hobby needed - another uber character on a dragon. It's not as if we don't need plastic dragon ogres or new wood elves or bretonians.

Agree about the DE realeases - they were shamefully neglected for years.

Hmm at 45 pounds for a court (if I assume all the court members will eventually release and all the same price) I wonder whos insane enough to buy that for game purposes

Very surprised though that GW is very adamant in filling out the entire DE line though, if only they did that with others

the dragon is a dragon, dont really care for giant monsters

Hang on a sec... what's a Terrogheist? (see the text above the zombie dragon pic)

Haven't the foggiest.

The rules for it are in "that very issue!" though.

um...my coffee hasn't kicked in yet... Is the Aug. issue of White dwarf out? or is it the last Sat. of every month it comes out?

Jburch wrote:I understand that D. Eldar have waited forever for an update, and they got it....and then some. All I am saying is that it is dissapointing thinking that something new / fresh / exciting will come out, and then realizing that it is just a couple more dark eldar, that noone will probably use. Sorry, didnt mean to get your guys panties all up in a wad, thought this was a place to give opinions.

It is, and yours was incredibly funny, sorry if people have their own opinions of your opinion.

Arrathon wrote:um...my coffee hasn't kicked in yet... Is the Aug. issue of White dwarf out? or is it the last Sat. of every month it comes out?

No, this is a leak.

ah..then i need more coffee. Poor guys at my local shop are probably getting sick of hearing me call "where my white dwarf"

There also is a (supposedly new) Herald of Tzeentch on Disc listed for the second wave of the month, and I guess the garden of Morr should be some sort of graveyard terrain.

Where is the love for Tyranid? :(

Whilst I'm happy that the gaps in the DE line are being filled (Tyranid players are still crying for half their range), I'm really sad to see it as more God-damned fething Failcost!

The Storm of Chaos release showed how good single-frame characters can be. Surely an 'Archon's Court' blister with 2-3 single 1-2 piece models would have been far, far better.

Sersi wrote:Also, we're getting plastic Wraith and Banshee Blisters, and plastic terrain as well!

Faints...

I've just read that post on Heresy Online and I think it just means that the Cairn Wraiths and Banshees are being released in Finecast.

Somebody wake up Sersi (deliberate use of quote from Aliens )

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whilst I'm happy that the gaps in the DE line are being filled (Tyranid players are still crying for half their range), I'm really sad to see it as more God-damned fething Failcost!

The Storm of Chaos release showed how good single-frame characters can be. Surely an 'Archon's Court' blister with 2-3 single 1-2 piece models would have been far, far better.

Mrs S is a tyranid player, she wants plastics for her hive guard and zoanthropes and actual kits for tyrannofex and tervigons. At the moment building a competitive army for tyranids is ludicrously expensive.

I would suggest that the ongoing failcost releases are a result of greens and sculpts that have been in process for months or years. So it's understandable even if it's not desirable. Would really like to see more plastic characters though, like those storm of magic ones.

Flashman wrote:

Sersi wrote:Also, we're getting plastic Wraith and Banshee Blisters, and plastic terrain as well!

Faints...

I've just read that post on Heresy Online and I think it just means that the Cairn Wraiths and Banshees are being released in Finecast.

Somebody wake up Sersi (deliberate use of quote from Aliens )

What is this Heresy Online you speak of? In the Warseer thread that Kroothawk is referencing; someone posted the serial numbers and prices for the Wraith and Banshee models; and they have the same coding as the plastic Necromancer, baring the final digit. Not conclusive, but hey salt...and stuff.

Is it me or is the dragon on a base bigger than the other GW dragons...looks Araknorak sized...

Yeah, its on a Araknorak sized base.

That makes part of me happy (I love that base with what you can do with it and it means the dragon may be the right size for once), but also kind of sad (that base warps alot and it means cannons still claim you easy)

iproxtaco wrote:

Jburch wrote:I gotta say I am dissapointed, not due to the models or anything, I have no input on them, but of the fact that GW is still on the Dark Eldar train. Its been long enough, time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

Dark Eldar wait for 13 years to receive an overhaul. 13 years. Now that they've had a string of models that hasn't even lasted a whole year yet, they're getting too much love. The whole range needs to be re-done, I think a few models here and there isn't exactly that bad.

I don't even play Dark Eldar and I agree with you they waited for so long they need it and h#ll if this is how things mite(mite) be the Nercons will be getting allot of love to.

For VC zombie dragon I happier than a pig in s**t I love how it looks.

Wow that dragon looks cool! I'm not very happy with the new dark eldar models though. They are not up to the standard of the rest of the range. They are on par with the grotesques though lol

WHERE ARE MY TYRANID'S SECOND WAVE

ARGHHHHHH!

Anger!

Not that impressed with the Zombie Dragon. The wings are nice, but the rest of it looks a bit meh to be honest. I don't know, I will have to wait to see what the rest of it looks like, a better quality picture.

All of this makes no difference anyway, it's GW, I live in Australia, I won't be paying double for this. So many other manufacturers out there I can use.

ya Sasori I fell you too(space wolves), but when we get your second waves they will be big too

Cleaned up...

Ooh, More Dark Eldar, I love the Vamp Dragon too.

apparently there are also going to be:

Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce
Herald of Tzeentch on Disc of Tzeentch
Finecast The Changeling
Finecast Bloodthirster
Finecast Lord of Change

Got it from The daemonic legion. Here is the thread: http://z7.invisionfree.com/wyrmling_x/index.php?showtopic=8687

Jburch wrote:I gotta say I am dissapointed, not due to the models or anything, I have no input on them, but of the fact that GW is still on the Dark Eldar train. Its been long enough, time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

Yeah, how dare GW support a range of miniatures other than yours.

Three entire armies have been released (some with second waves and even third waves) since the Tyranid codex was released. That's just on the 40k side. They create all new money maker units (they're the best, buy them!) and then don't give us models or even official base sizes. I think Tyranid players have earned the right to be a little irate at this point.

Well I for one have to say GW are doing very well with their recent huge monsters, basically everything massive and new is great, the Arachnarok, Hellpit Abomination, Stegadon, Sphinxes, Giant, High Elf Dragon and now this, just makes me more excited for October and the upcomming Great Mammox

It's still kinda fuzzy. The Ur-Ghul looks kinda meh, the Medusae and Dragon are pretty nice.

Of course, true to the fetish GW seems to have with it, even a zombie dragon has to have it's tongue sticking out

Good thing with a skeletal head though is that it can probably be removed/left off with only minimal covering up.

Btw I need five of those Vampire riders to turn into Blood Knights

I updated the first post considerably, including a full official list of releases.
There is still the slight possibility of more, "hidden" Finecast releases, as GW is reluctant to let retailers know of Finecast rereleases.

Good to see the Cairn Wraith & Banshee supposedly are plastic. Let's hope they actually are.

Saddened to see the Herald on Disc is supposedly crapcast. This means no sale for me.




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Kroothawk wrote:There is still the slight possibility of more, "hidden" Finecast releases, as GW is reluctant to let retailers know of Finecast rereleases.

Is this because retailers might otherwise order less of it or nothing at all if they know it's not-so-finecast?

Recent GW policy was not to encourage normal retailers (except GW and "premium retailers") to carry Finecast models at all, therefore all general newsletters to retailers did't mention ANY Finecast models, not even the new models for Tomb Kings and Dark Eldar. This has changed a bit now with mention of some Finecast models (without revealing the product code to retailers, they have to buy a WD ). So I don't know what the current policy is and how many models are mentioned in the WD not included in the preorder form. Next Friday/Saturday we will know more.

LOVE that more plastic blisters are coming out! Totally buying them, if only to encourage this trend.

Can we get some for 40K next?

And that is one sick dragon zombie.

What's happening with that earlier list of 2nd wave finecast releases? The list I saw last time looked like:

WH40K
Tyranid Venomthrope
Eldar Warp Spiders squad
Eldar Howling Banshee squad
Eldar Harlequin squad
Inquisitor Karamazov
Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing

WHF
Dwarf Engineer w/ Great Weapon
Dwarf Thane w/ standard
Dwarf Grudge thrower
Dwarf High King Thorgrim
Lizardmen Slann Mage priest
High Elf Korhil
High Elf Prince Tyrion
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Cold One
Dark Elf War Hydra
Khorn Lord on Juggernaut
Beastmen Doombull

LotRs
Vault Warden Team
Witch King of Angmar
Dragon
Uruk-hai siege ballista
Gondor battle trebuchet

Chaos
The Changling
Greater Daemon of Khorne
Greater Daemon of Tzeentch

Where's the Slann, the Khorne Lord, etc, etc?

streamdragon wrote:Three entire armies have been released (some with second waves and even third waves) since the Tyranid codex was released. That's just on the 40k side. They create all new money maker units (they're the best, buy them!) and then don't give us models or even official base sizes. I think Tyranid players have earned the right to be a little irate at this point.

qft. Hey at least they nice enough to completely castrate the carnifex so we can all proxy them as tervigons.... ing bunch of crap.

I don't know. Possible is:

1.) The list was plain wrong, only incidently including some correct products (I don't believe this).
2.) The list was planned that way, but revised due to quality issues with Finecast.
3.) The list is correct but not included in the preorder form. May or may not be listed in the WD. GW-stores and premium stores may or may not get an email in private on how to order these.

In any case I think that all models in the list will get Finecast models soon.

Personally I also think that we will see new plastic blisters almost every month, as the retraction of the metal blisters and the reluctant marketing of Finecast blisters only makes sense, when in the long run all armies will have several HQ units in said plastic blisters. Currently many many stores can't sell legal armies.

Their policy of not releasing any official pictures is sure working. I mean now all we've got is blurry hard to make out images of their products! That's sure to get people excited.

Can't say I'm going to rush on these three models but I am glad to see another freaky looking huge monster. More Dark Eldar is nice but if they bring out everything in the book it'll be another ten years before they see an update. I'm curious about what's in the Daemon box set but as I don't like mixing chaos powers I probably won't buy it.

Also I'm miffed that Vampires are getting a totally new beastie and there's nothing for beastmen rares. :(

what the heck, the court should be a box set as you need to use all of them or none of them. Its not like you can have a court of only ur-ghouls and medusae.

Kroothawk wrote:

Jburch wrote: time to release some stuff to people who have been waiting for over a year

Erm, we are talking about Dark Eldar here, who waited 13 f...ing years for their release.

Fair enough. But there are some Eldar and Tyranid players who wouldn't mind seeing something new. Wait. Scratch that...Eldar got new stuff with Spearhead.

So...since Spearhead we've had SM releases, 1 Eldar release, GK releases, a couple of IG releases and.....

Oh. Not one Tyranid release.

Meh.

I see they finally got round to a daemon battalion.

About 2 price rises too late.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Whilst I'm happy that the gaps in the DE line are being filled (Tyranid players are still crying for half their range), I'm really sad to see it as more God-damned fething Failcost!

Yeah, I know...so while I'm actually surprised to see court models coming out, I won't be buying them anyway because I hate Finecast. And if the currency converter I used is right that means they'll be in the $15.50 range (like the archon and succubus) which means making a court is going to be pricey. Not as hilariously stupid as beastmen units but still off-putting enough.

streamdragon wrote:Three entire armies have been released (some with second waves and even third waves) since the Tyranid codex was released. That's just on the 40k side. They create all new money maker units (they're the best, buy them!) and then don't give us models or even official base sizes. I think Tyranid players have earned the right to be a little irate at this point.

Tyranid players had the right to be irate when they were handed another fail codex. It's like they were built to lose... Hopefully GW realized this before they got too far along with the models, and are re-thinking the army as we speak...

Hmmm... I'm liking these VC Rumors.

Deadshane1 wrote:Dark Eldar line will be pretty much complete with this release. I'm glad they're coming out.

One should EXPECT GW to keep coming out with models for an army until everything is availiable. It's no surprise that these are coming out. Complaining about them and not some other army getting something is just silly.

I'll definatly be purchasing one full court. Models are o.k. to me and they still "look the part".

wow. how long ago did nids come out and still no terror fex or tervigon. why. I bet it has to do with sales slumping for nids when they realised that the new dex sucked.

That zombie dragon model looks on par with Heroscape quality in the picture. Kinda disappointing. I'd rather have it Finecast with the detail quality instead of plastic with less detail.

Mewiththeface wrote:That zombie dragon model looks on par with Heroscape quality in the picture. Kinda disappointing. I'd rather have it Finecast with the detail quality instead of plastic with less detail.

I'd wait for a real official photograph as opposed to a glare-covered snapshot of a magazine with a cellphone camera before making too big a judgment.

Anyone else notice rather than a zombie dragon it's actually a zombie wyvern?

Actually it is zombie dragon because GW says so.

Hm.. so no finecast Slann anymore? Im sad now as I actually wanted that

Lookin good! And def agree with MGS, nids need some lovin...

I think GW needs to make models for units that don't have mini's yet. Instead of recasting frigging Blood Thirsters.

And where the heck is the model for the Nid transport spore? I can't believe there still is no model for this.

And where the heck is the model for the Nid transport spore? I can't believe there still is no model for this.

Since Tyranid players have apparently dropped off in number due to complaints about their Codex being underpowered compared to those that have come after it, is it any surprise that GW is not rushing out more Tyranids? With all the whining I see about Tyranids being useless now here, on BoLS, from tournament players, etc. it's no surprise at all.

Noisy_Marine wrote:And where the heck is the model for the Nid transport spore? I can't believe there still is no model for this.

As Brass mentioned, Tyranids after splash release and people getting over the Mawloc/Trygon model have been pretty dismal sales in large part due to the codex being mostly crap with a couple of decent entries. For a company that releases new rules for the sake of selling models, they dropped the ball pretty hard on trying to sell Tyranids.

BrassScorpion wrote:

And where the heck is the model for the Nid transport spore? I can't believe there still is no model for this.

Since Tyranid players have apparently dropped off in number due to complaints about their Codex being underpowered compared to those that have come after it, is it any surprise that GW is not rushing out more Tyranids? With all the whining I see about Tyranids being useless now here, on BoLS, from tournament players, etc. it's no surprise at all.

The weaknesses of the Nid codex are GW's fault. Plus there is that awful FAQ that won't allow Nid Primes to join units in spores for some reason. Also GW's fault. So the lack of sales are, you guessed it, GW's fault.

just bought and assembled his bloodthirster tonight.

<broadcast mode active: while I personally lament the lack of new tyranid models, that's not what this thread is about; stay on topic>

The Medusae intrigues me, however the Ur-Ghul falls short in my eyes, looks a lot like the older ghoul models. It's pose is awkward and the model does not scream "whip thin horror...etc."

I'm intrigued to see the TERRORGHEIST variant of the new Zombie Dragon model. Something new that is hopefully also fun and interesting.

What the release of these two blisters, what does this leave the DE without model-wise from the new codex?

The dragon looks fantastic, but the very skinny bits on the wings (decayed edges that look like strings) look way too fragile for me..

whoadirty wrote:What the release of these two blisters, what does this leave the DE without model-wise from the new codex?

The other two court models, the void raven, and a few characters like Sliscus, Baron, and the Decapitator.

And Christ man, yet more complaints about the new DE models. Considering that on the White Dwarf page it says Jes Goodwin himself sculpted the ur-ghul, and remembering once again that Jes had a hand in designing damn near every single DE unit in the first place, I'm pretty sure it looks exactly like it's supposed to.

But yeah, how does the model not "scream whip thin horror", when it's about as thin as you possibly could have sculpted the thing without just making it look stupid? I don't think when they wrote that line in the codex they meant that it was literally as thin as a whip, so that it would look like a walking stick figure, it was just a small embellishment to make it sound more ooky scary. Also, complaining that it looks too ghoulish is kind of silly considering the name is just a weird spelling of the word "ghoul".

It looks pretty much how I expected it to, personally. In fact it seems to be similar in build to the plastic bloodletters, which I planned on using for conversions if they didn't come out with an ur-ghul model (just shave the heads down and fill in the eyes...I know "sightless" doesn't necessarily mean "eyeless" but I wanted mine to look like the Alien X)). Only thing I don't like is that it's too expensive considering you can fit up to five of them in a single unit, and they'll all have the same pose. Looks like Finecast is turning out to be another excuse for GW to do less work: instead of making 2-3 variants like they would with most metal models, they make one variant and just tell us to convert them, because now they're in resin and they'll be so much easier to cut and repose! That would be all well and good, if I wasn't paying $16 or more per model. That's too much for a model that you're going to have to take the knife to if you buy more than one.

Then again that means we'd probably have to wait even longer for them to hit shelves, since it takes more time to sculpt more models. In hindsight I admit that it probably doesn't work out too badly this way, but I just wish the prices weren't so damn high and that Finecast resin models weren't unusable pieces of gak more often than not. At least in my experience, I'm nowhere near confident enough to begin making Finecast purchases again, especially when I've seen other posters complain about their purchases are recently as a few days ago, meaning they still haven't quite worked the kinks out like they claimed. It could be months before Finecast models are actually of the quality that was advertised, and by then they'll probably go up in price even more.

As for the other releases, I really wish they would just make new god-damned greater deamons. I think GW is trolling us with these things now, trying to see just how much money they can milk out of those old-ass sculpts.

Re The zombie dragon/terrogheist

The alternate rider interests me. The text says that it can ridden either by the Blood Dragon vampire (presumably the chap seen in the pic) or a foul Ghoul King. Plastic Strigoi vampire ahoy?

Does anyone know what is happening about the SoB release next month? It was in the back of this months WD but if the list is correct then maybe they're just getting a new WD codex and no new miniatures?

Flashman wrote:Re The zombie dragon/terrogheist

.. or a foul Ghoul King. Plastic Strigoi vampire ahoy?

Strigoi always were mounted on foot..

Archonate wrote:Tyranid players had the right to be irate when they were handed another fail codex. It's like they were built to lose... Hopefully GW realized this before they got too far along with the models, and are re-thinking the army as we speak...

I rate my Tyranids above my Chaos Space Marines. Which is quite sad really.

But back on topic....

Can I be the first person to say...I don't like the dragon?

It looks goofy. It looks....well...Derpy.

And a base that big just says - lol,cannons.

A Black Ram wrote:

Flashman wrote:Re The zombie dragon/terrogheist

.. or a foul Ghoul King. Plastic Strigoi vampire ahoy?

Strigoi always were mounted on foot..

Meh, well I'm keen to see what it looks like anyway.

Why is the base so big for the zombie dragon?

Its a big Dragon

Rampage wrote:maybe they're just getting a new WD codex and no new miniatures?

That is exactly what they are getting.

I think the Zombie Dragon is alright at first glance, but considering the creature it is it's paint job is too clean & shiny. Without the stupid tongue and a better paint job it will be fine. Surprised there are no plastic Black Knights. Those were rumoured to be among the august release as well.

Here's a thought which I've just pondered in another thread. Given that gheist is German for ghost, will the Terrogheist be an ethereal beastie?

Flashman wrote:Given that gheist is German for ghost, will the Terrogheist be an ethereal beastie?

To be precise, the German word is Geist and translates either as ghost or spirit. And the Warhammer monster is called terrorgheist, the other spelling is just a typo.

TBD wrote:

Rampage wrote:maybe they're just getting a new WD codex and no new miniatures?

That is exactly what they are getting.

I think the Zombie Dragon is alright at first glance, but considering the creature it is it's paint job is too clean & shiny. Without the stupid tongue and a better paint job it will be fine. Surprised there are no plastic Black Knights. Those were rumoured to be among the august release as well.

Ok, thanks, just wondering if they were getting any new miniatures along with the Codex or not.

Kroothawk wrote:

Flashman wrote:Given that gheist is German for ghost, will the Terrogheist be an ethereal beastie?

To be precise, the German word is Geist and translates either as ghost or spirit. And the Warhammer monster is called terrorgheist, the other spelling is just a typo.

Ah, thanks for clarifying

Given that gheist is German for ghost, will the Terrogheist be an ethereal beastie?

Yes, but due to problems containing an actual ethereal kit in a box, GW has had to delay the release until they solve the packaging problem.

Thanks, I'm here all week.

(Note: yes, "geist" means ghost or spirit. Poltergeist is roughly "noisy ghost" in English, a contraction of words for "knock" and "ghost". Zeitgeist means roughly "spirit of the times".)

DarkStarSabre wrote:

And a base that big just says - lol,cannons.

Yeah, I don't get the whole, "Every army must have a giant creature" when they die first turn due to cannons. I know some people always say, "Yeah but they're not shooting at the rest of your army" but all I think about is, there goes hours of painting and 10% of my army's points.

Yes, lol cannons, which are only in two armies

Murdock129 wrote:Yes, lol cannons, which are only in two armies

And then realise the size of that base is a prime target for stone throwers as well. Which are in more armies and often hit far harder in the centre hole.

What I love best about this thread is that we are 2/2 on WD leaks. I expect that batting average will remain near 1.000 well into the future. So our first look at new releases are going to be, without exception, poor cam shots of Whote Dwarf pages.

Brilliant.

The dragon looks OK. As with the previous big'uns, I am more interested in the riders. Still, pretty cool. I do like the base.

I'd make a snide DE gravy train comment, but I can't think of a truly worthwhile one. Sorry.

The pic quality is poor enough that I don't know that I can make an adequate evaluation. I will wait until I see a better picture to form an opinion.

dienekes96 wrote:What I love best about this thread is that we are 2/2 on WD leaks. I expect that batting average will remain near 1.000 well into the future. So our first look at new releases are going to be, without exception, poor cam shots of Whote Dwarf pages.

Brilliant.

Yes, just a shame we're seeing rubbish mobile camera shots later than we would have seen the professionally done advance order pics. GW, this is the internet. We will always find out before you want us to (except Space Hulk, the pic control there was pretty damn water tight).

A Black Ram wrote:

Flashman wrote:Re The zombie dragon/terrogheist

.. or a foul Ghoul King. Plastic Strigoi vampire ahoy?

Strigoi always were mounted on foot..

You just blew my mind!

I like the Dragon. Don't play vamps, not even WHFB, but I may buy it to paint! (transaltion: to throw onto the pile of "to-paint models")

Archonate wrote:

streamdragon wrote:Three entire armies have been released (some with second waves and even third waves) since the Tyranid codex was released. That's just on the 40k side. They create all new money maker units (they're the best, buy them!) and then don't give us models or even official base sizes. I think Tyranid players have earned the right to be a little irate at this point.

Tyranid players had the right to be irate when they were handed another fail codex. It's like they were built to lose... Hopefully GW realized this before they got too far along with the models, and are re-thinking the army as we speak...

How did someone put it when I asked about this in 4E?

Oh yes.

Q: How do I beat Tyranids?
A: Play an army.

New pics from the Clapham Wargamers Guild website, reposted and brought to my attention by Gazak Blacktoof over at Warseer:











I absolutely love the Garden of Morr!

Harry wrote:The Garden of Morr is cooler than it looks when you pull it apart.
It can jigsaw together or would make a great set of individual bits of scenery.
(perfect for scenic monster bases. )
It has a lot of potential.

HOLY CRAP-SPACKLE! I LOVE that garden! I was already planning to get it, just based on the idea, but wow!

I see what people were talking about when they talked about "the bat thing." Now I wonder what it DOES. I also wonder if TG can be taken in units anymore or not...

The Herald looks like he is surfing and is even doing the Rock hand signal...

Thanks but no thanks on the new DE, I'll just get converting instead. Was really hoping for a decent Ur-Ghul, but that just looks half arsed t be honest. Would be interested to see a more detailed picture on the Medusae

Still not a fan of GWs Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee. Well, the Cairn Wraith isn't bad. but the Banshee is.

The Terrorgeist looks utterly terrifying. Superb model. Just a pity that the zombie wyvern isn't as good.

dude I love the new vamp. stuff

The Banshee suffers from a bad colour choice. just imagine her painted like a real ghost in greenish colours:

The Heralds quite cool but the Disc is also quite meh and the hole model looks OK. The Zombie dragon looks great however and would make an awesome Daemon prince.

An impressive batch of releases mostly!

The Zombie Dragon / Terrorgheist kit doesn't disappoint, both variants and the rider options look great.

I rather like that Herald of Tzeentch, definitely has that old-school vibe which I think works well. Do want

The Cairn Wraith and Banshee are another pair I want, horray for being plastic (I assume because of the packaging shown?). I'll think I'll have one each for Quest.

Garden of Morr is great, but don't want one.

Don't like the Dark Eldar stuff, but have a Wych Cult so no loss to me.

It looks like the legs and wings are the only parts of the Zombie Dragon/Terrorgeist that are common across both monsters. Seems like it should be easy to build both from the same kit with a bit of bits scrounging, though I don't think many spare wings or legs will be floating around.

WOW! Seriously, the more of these plastic blisters I see the more I loves them.

I must get both of those just to build/paint. And I don't even play fantasy.

I may even pick up the Zombie Dragon for the same reason. So sexy.

PLEASE, GW, can we get some plastic blisters for 40K? The Archon's retinue would have been perfect candidates!

Fantastic!!

Brian Nelson is seemingly given time to do these absolutely fantastic one frame plastic characters. Starting with the wizards and now gorgeous new undead models.

My latest =I= will get a retinue made solely from these new Nelson sculpts. And look at that Ghoul riding the Terrorgheist! That is so going to be the sickest ever archoflagellant conversion

Fantastic models I must say.

Black knights ? :(

Is it just me or is the Vampire's Dragon's base ing huge? Like anyone is actually going to field it. It is on the other hand a nice sculpt.

Casper wrote:Is it just me or is the Vampire's Dragon's base ing huge? Like anyone is actually going to field it. It is on the other hand a nice sculpt.

I believe it's the same size as other large monsters - HPA, Sphinxes, etc.

I'll definitely be adding a Terrorgeist to my army. Monsters may not be the best option in 8th, but that is one stunning model.

Vampire Counts:

Wow... Brian Nelson hits it out of the park again. At last were moving away from the comical/goofy looking undead of the past. I love both the Wraith and the Banshee. I already considering getting the dragon, but having seen the Terrorgiest version w/ Ghoul King I'll definitely but one maybe two. The terrain is just beautiful: no excessive amounts of skulls, gorgeous wrought iron gate... Just classy. I'll need at least two. I have to give credit where its due. GW has impressed me with these new VC miniatures. I would never have bought any of the old versions of these models. I ended up converting or buying alternatives for most of them. But I will buy these.



Chaos Daemons:

I think the herald on the disc is good, it fits the current range. In any case its good to see Tzeetch get some love. I could not careless about the Finecast Greater Daemons though.



Dark Eldar:

As for the dark eldar I don't much care for those. They're not terrible, but they're not up to the high standard expect of the earlier DE releases. If I played DE I'd probably just convert them.


Still all and all a good release.

That ghoul would be a nice wulfen

That garden is really, really good. Probably one of the best kits they have made.

-Loki- wrote:

Casper wrote:Is it just me or is the Vampire's Dragon's base ing huge? Like anyone is actually going to field it. It is on the other hand a nice sculpt.

I believe it's the same size as other large monsters - HPA, Sphinxes, etc.

I'll definitely be adding a Terrorgeist to my army. Monsters may not be the best option in 8th, but that is one stunning model.

HPA and Sphinxes come on two different bases.
>.>
<.<

Someone had said the TG is coming on the Arachnarok's base, which sounds... naughty.

If only the rest of my VC list didn't suck butt, I'd be up for this in a heartbeat. And though I don't MIND the VC love, how about a random bunch of patch models/rules for WE or Brets? They could use it more. :eyeroll:

Sidstyler wrote:


But yeah, how does the model not "scream whip thin horror", when it's about as thin as you possibly could have sculpted the thing without just making it look stupid? I don't think when they wrote that line in the codex they meant that it was literally as thin as a whip, so that it would look like a walking stick figure, it was just a small embellishment to make it sound more ooky scary. Also, complaining that it looks too ghoulish is kind of silly considering the name is just a weird spelling of the word "ghoul".

It was a matter of opinion, as I had pictured it from the description. It was not a complaint but an observation. For my own personal tastes it just doesn't fit. The new DE model range is brilliant and I have replaced all of my old army with the newer models. The only disappointments in the line are the grotesques and the ur-ghul for me. The necron wraith is thinner I believe.

I like the herald but the disk looks like crap. I'll be sticking to my design thank you!

The Dragon is nice but looks kind of comical. The rotting/exposed muscle areas look cheaply done. Looks like a 3d rendering of a 32 bit Final Fantasy monster.

Shawn G. (SoI)

migsula wrote:Brian Nelson is seemingly given time to do these absolutely fantastic one frame plastic characters. Starting with the wizards and now gorgeous new undead models.

And I'm glad to see that there are more of them coming. Hopefully soon they can start doing all single-pose characters in this method.

Nagashek wrote:If only the rest of my VC list didn't suck butt, I'd be up for this in a heartbeat. And though I don't MIND the VC love, how about a random bunch of patch models/rules for WE or Brets? They could use it more. :eyeroll:

They probably have them done already, but are waiting to release them with a book release. Things like WoC and VC they can't do it with, since they're going to be waiting quite a while for a new book. Brets are apparently after Ogres, so they probably see it as better to wait. Same as why we're not seeing any Ogre stuff.

Wow, I really like those VC minis. Black Knights really need a resculpt, now... ancient sculpts and they're still individuals blisters of 1 mini.

If they redo Black Knights, I really, really hope the skeletal horses get the same treatment. The old skeletal horses are hideous, and seeing them in a Tomb Kings army is really jarring.

The new plastic blisters are ace! Even though I stopped collecting GW I hope they do more of them.

Garden needs morr skulls!

All of the recent WHFB releases have been incredible. As amazing as the zombie dragon and terrorgheist are, I'm really impressed with that bestial ghoul.

The Chaos Daemons releases, however, have been overwhelmingly disappointing. The middle finger and rock hand symbols on half the models are just silly. The disc itself looks like something anyone with moderate sculpting skills could create easily. GW really needs to take inspiration from what FW is doing with their daemon releases.

Wow very nice VC goodies there!

Now that we've got some better pictures....

Zombie Dragon: I really like the pose. The Vampire lord's saddle seems much less silly than GW normally does these things. I'm not feeling a lot of the details though, especially the head/neck area. It doesn't so much look like a zombified rotting corpse to me as it does a skeleton that someone has glued some black rags to. Oh, and put some muscles in the places that would make really difficult joins if there weren't any. Not a bad job, but not great.

Terrorgheist: A Very nice pose, but I'm liking the bat head even less. The bestial ghoul however is almost epic. Not quite sure about how it's sitting there though. Anyway, finally the Blood Angels have a kit to make a giant bat mount from! Just glue on some SM bits to make it cyborg-y!

Herald of Tzeentch: I can't get past the head. Which is too bad. Because Tzeentch stuff can be hard to make not look silly, and this kit kinda pulls it off. Apart from the nutcracker-bird head with 2D fire arcing in a flat plane between its horns for some reason. But maybe there's some conversion fodder there.

Cairn Wraith: Is this plastic? It looks pretty solid, apart from a little looking slightly flat. Maybe it's the paint job. The metal mask looks like a little love being shown to the Necron players.

Banshee: I love it. Neck seems a little long, but I can totally forgive it because ghosts are supposed to be weird and uncomfortable-looking.

Garden of Morr: A+. This is the first scenery piece where I've thought GW's Empire aesthetic ("every surface must have decoration/skullz!") works. I might even be sorely tempted to buy it, if I had the cash, even though as my army is beastmen it doesn't fit at all. I hope it connects well to other Empire terrain.

So overall, GW doesn't look to be batting too badly with these. I don't think I'll buy any (especially if any of them are Finecast) but at worst they are some good models with a couple that are less good and a couple that are great. Let's hope getting to see clearer pics of the Dark Eldar figures doesn't lower their average.

I think the herald will enter my collection, however he may be kept on disc. The garden wow. I think their terrain is so ace lately. I really think the sculpts are based on a lot of WAR imagery.

The zombie dragon would be excellent for body and legs on greater deamon conversions.

Why does the Herald of Tzeentch look like he’s surfing and going “wuzzzaaap” at the same time? Has Tzeentch taken the mantle of cool from Slaanesh?

Yep, sign me up to the Cairn Wraith and Banshee. The latter is a good mini with a stupid paint scheme.

I like the Ghoul King sat astride the Terrogheist too. With a bit of leg repostioning and a suitably dramatic base he'd look great leading a regiment of Ghouls.

I love the terrorgheist, not so much the zombie dragon (the zombie dragon should have been more hulking like the vargulf imo, a larger chest to make it look more intimidating). The ghoul character looks epic and I see that mounted vampire being converted a lot into plastic blood knights (all the fantastic detail and options, all you need to do is swap out for a banner here or there). I would have liked to see a vampire with banner model that is not a blood knight. That said, initially I disliked the Wraith/Banshee but after a few more looks I started to like the wraith, but still am not a fan of the banshee. I think it's the really menacing look the wraith now has with the hunched features and massive weapon. All I'm wondering now is how well the model balances: I guess like any flying creature it will have many issues with being on slopes and such.

Anyone else thinking of using that mounted ghoul as a cheap Strigoi Vampire?

Love the graveyard, I will certainly be investing money in that, so long as it is not in excess of the manor house. Those mausoleums look fantastic and I'd like to see more like them floating around the fantasy terrain rather than the heman-esque that are now floating around (better known as 'fulcrums' - more like 'full'o'craps' because this the graveyard ****s all over them). It's good we're finally starting to see skulls where they belong: in the goddam cemetary. The front gate looks cheesy but absolutely spot on for fantasy.

Wraith has to be the first single-sprue character I like, however again I believe they'll be overcosted like the SoM characters ($22AUD for a single frame? $16 before GW sees any of my money for one of these).

Kind of odd that they make a model that near as damn it matches John Blanche's Abysaal Terror pic and then go and call it something else

1.) Wraith and Banshee ARE plastic, not metal or finecast (as said in the first post).
2.) Terrorgheist/ZombieDragon base is Arachnarok sized, so larger than for chariot or Skaven bell (as said in the first post).
3.) Archon court would be an awful choice for plastic blisters, as they are a choice noone takes so would sell badly. Better make popular HQ units in plastic.
4.) The Garden of Morr is modular. You can arrange the parts like in the picture or separate or easily combine 2-3 kits for a larger graveyard.

Vampire Counts are my favourite Warhammer Army by far - although I don't play I'm glad they are getting some new stuff. That Zombie Dragon is fantastic and the Wraith/Banshee are pretty nice too

The Garden of Morr is a great looking piece of terrain. As for the Herald, all it needs is a microphone

No Black Knights make me sad Oh well, just have to wait for the new edition in x years time

Temptation.....To Pay.....Likely Stupidly Large.......GW Price.......For Garden of Morr.....Too Strong...................

No Really I actually have to get that Garden of Morr, it's beautiful.

This is how long the Dark Eldar players have been waiting, I suppose we can wait for a little bit longer for the rest of the Nid stuff.

The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

Looks horrid trying to move models within it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

That particular picture does but I think that is more down to the fact that it has been assembled with every possible feature included. Much like the city fight ruin sets, you can choose to include as much or as little as you like. I think it is a good concept; I really do like the GW pre-fab terrain sets.

The wraiths, dragon and banshee look awesome, it's too bad they are terrible in terms of gameplay :(

I'll buy them since they are pretty cool but it's not like they will ever see an actual game table.

Another interesting thing to note is that the Wraith has two options for his face. I hope that's a sign of things to come...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Another interesting thing to note is that the Wraith has two options for his face. I hope that's a sign of things to come...

I do as well - if you've looked at the Modelling and Painting forums recently we've pretty much been showing what you can do with those plastic clampack models - every one so far has been most impressive and even unconverted they're a joy to paint as well.

This is seriously coming across as a good step in the right direction from GW for a change...

The Garden of Morr is epic. Sweet jesus. I don't even play fantasy but I am sure I could make that work for 40k scenery. Add a statue of a Space Marine somewhere or some Sister model. Sister Shrine/Graveyard almost.

Plastic character sprues could be a game breaker for GW. One that will really help the fan base at the moment. If it makes HMBC even slightly happy I am all green for go!

Kroothawk wrote:3.) Archon court would be an awful choice for plastic blisters, as they are a choice noone takes so would sell badly. Better make popular HQ units in plastic.

Not sure if I agree with you here, KH. These mono-pose plastic blisters are not really that great for HQs unless they are compatible the the plastic troops choices - for instance with the DE Archon.

I think that the ones we've seen so far have been much closer to something like the retinue, or having a plastic champion. I could almost see having a plastic Klaivex, or something along those lines.

Maybe a plastic Techmarine for SM. That is a sort of 40K equivalent for what they have brought out so far. None of these plastic blisters scream "Lord choice" to me. They all look more like "Hero choices" with their relative simplicity. I think that's partly what I like about them.

Kroothawk wrote:

And so a thousand Necron conversion ideas were born.

Indeed, that face is very Necron-y.

Brian Nelson, why you be trollin'?

maybe I missed it.. what is the price on the Garden of Morr?

I saw the cross on top of the gate, and do admit.. first thought was "Ah! This is where they bury Terminators.. "

Im more amazed that official rules could actually be included in something other than a codex once again

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Garden looks good but... does anyone else think that it is ludicrously cluttered?

Again, this kit consists of a whole set of terrain pieces on separate bases. On the box you see them separate, on the other photo an shoved together for minimal footprint. You are free to place the individual parts of the set together as you like, even 2 or three sets of them.

Scottywan82 wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:3.) Archon court would be an awful choice for plastic blisters, as they are a choice noone takes so would sell badly. Better make popular HQ units in plastic.

Not sure if I agree with you here, KH. These mono-pose plastic blisters are not really that great for HQs unless they are compatible the the plastic troops choices - for instance with the DE Archon.

Plastic kits have to sell quite a lot to be economic. Much more than a Medusa will ever sell.

porkuslime wrote:maybe I missed it.. what is the price on the Garden of Morr?

Scan is from the US White Dwarf not showing prices, so Canadians don't get angry
There once was a list with prices in Singapore Dollars, but I haven't saved it. Just wait until end of the week.

While I do like the dragon and the scenery I expect the cost of both in Oz will be over $100 each and unaffordable but neither are worth more than $50 to myself. I just have to wonder how much the sale restrictions have dropped total unit sales/

The new vampire releases are gorgeous. If I could afford it, I would be making a vampire army with that dragon at the front. The Garden of Morr is also probably their best scenery kit to date, though I have to imagine that much plastic in one box is going to be exorbitantly priced.

One thing that really grinds my gears though is the way they describe these new kits. Every kit is "cleverly designed," or "innovative" in some way. A multi-pose kit with optional pieces isn't innovative!

Kroothawk wrote:

porkuslime wrote:maybe I missed it.. what is the price on the Garden of Morr?

Scan is from the US White Dwarf not showing prices, so Canadians don't get angry
There once was a list with prices in Singapore Dollars, but I haven't saved it. Just wait until end of the week.

There was a link to a preorder list on the Heresy Online forum which was mentioned at the start of this thread (the link doesn't work anymore). I don't remember the Dollar amount, but I think the price for the Garden that I saw translates to about 25/30,- Euros.

Love the dragon and the garden of moor. Though I think I would have liked to see the dragon with the wings spread open like it's trying to fly or land or whatever.

Can anyone confirm these are the American prices?

Aug 2011 Pre-Orders
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon $87.90
Vampire Counts Cairn Wraith $20.90
Vampire Counts Tomb Banshee $20.90
Aug Vlad Von Carstein $27.90
Aug Konrad Von Carstein $27.90
Inquisitor Karamazov $87.90
Dark Elves War Hydra $96.90
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Cold One $27.90
Wood Elf Spellweaver with Staff $27.90
Garden of Morr $62.90

pg2
Chaos Daemons Battalion Battleforce $149.90
Herald of Tzeentch on Disc of Tzeentch $56.90
The Changeling $27.90
Chaos Daemons Bloodthirster $87.90
Chaos Daemons Lord of Change $87.90
Dark Eldar Ur-Ghul $25.90
Dark Eldar Medusae $25.90

Certainly not. These are the Singapore Dollar prices.
Guess it is save to assume that the Wraith and Banshee cost as much as the other pastic blisters, so e.g. 10.50 €. Would make Garden of Morr cost like a standard regiment, around 30 €.

$96.90 for a war hydra?

Who is smoking what on those prices? That is what, almost a 200% price increase over metal?

Who thinks anyone is going to pay $56.90 for a herald on disc?


Edit: OOPs. In after I see those are Singapore prices. I was worried I was going to have to take up smoking crack as a cheeper addiction.

Shotgun wrote:$96.90 for a war hydra?

Who is smoking what on those prices? That is what, almost a 200% price increase over metal?

Who thinks anyone is going to pay $56.90 for a herald on disc?


Edit: OOPs. In after I see those are Singapore prices. I was worried I was going to have to take up smoking crack as a cheeper addiction.

Those are Singapore dollars.....

nectarprime wrote:

Shotgun wrote:$96.90 for a war hydra?

Who is smoking what on those prices? That is what, almost a 200% price increase over metal?

Who thinks anyone is going to pay $56.90 for a herald on disc?


Edit: OOPs. In after I see those are Singapore prices. I was worried I was going to have to take up smoking crack as a cheeper addiction.

Those are Singapore dollars.....

Thank God! I was worried for a second

Cairn Wraith = Baby Nightbringer?

I do like the Garden, but I've got no use for it at present. It does look a very nice set, though.

The Cairn Wraith is my favourite of the bunch. That is an absolutely great looking miniature

What I don't understand though, is that they chose these particular items for single pose/single blister release as they are fielded in 3-10s. Why not put them in a kit with three of five different poses?

TBD wrote:The Cairn Wraith is my favourite of the bunch. That is an absolutely great looking miniature

What I don't understand though, is that they chose these particular items for single pose/single blister release as they are fielded in 3-10s. Why not put them in a kit with three of five different poses?

Probably because any pose differences likely won't be that different. Why bother with shapeless robe bodies 1-3 when you can do shapeless robe body 1 that can take options from any Skeleton, Zombie, Black Guard, or the Necromancer release?

Damn, well the Garden of Morr will be the Garden of Mordheim once I'm done with it. Going to need two of those I reckon.

Might nab one of two of the new undead for my Mordheim Undead band as well. Been meaning to add Wraiths to the warband.

TBD wrote:What I don't understand though, is that they chose these particular items for single pose/single blister release as they are fielded in 3-10s. Why not put them in a kit with three of five different poses?

See first post:

all these new rules are meant to be official rules. (...)

The wraiths become a hero choice, and it seems they can join units. They are the same stats as in the VC book, and can make an special attack, replacing its normal attacks. This special attack auto-wounds and doesn't allow armour saves. The model is plastic and has 3 different heads. It's like levitating, with a cloak and a scythe.

The banshees become a hero choice (not sure if they can join units). Not new rules. The model is great. Also levitating.

It isn't specified if the wraiths rare unit of the VC book is still usable.

Kroothawk wrote:

TBD wrote:What I don't understand though, is that they chose these particular items for single pose/single blister release as they are fielded in 3-10s. Why not put them in a kit with three of five different poses?

See first post:

all these new rules are meant to be official rules. (...)

The wraiths become a hero choice, and it seems they can join units. They are the same stats as in the VC book, and can make an special attack, replacing its normal attacks. This special attack auto-wounds and doesn't allow armour saves. The model is plastic and has 3 different heads. It's like levitating, with a cloak and a scythe.

The banshees become a hero choice (not sure if they can join units). Not new rules. The model is great. Also levitating.

It isn't specified if the wraiths rare unit of the VC book is still usable.

And this is the part that concerns me the most, to be honest. I look forward to learning the true answer.

Coming back to this thread after a hiatus...

WOW @ the Terrorgheist! (sp?) Although I don't like the dragon form of the kit nearly as much.

Also loving the wraith and banshee.

The DE characters are not bad.



The disc caster character, however, disappoints me... although it does save me some money as I will stick with the conversions I've already done for my WoC discs.

zombie wrote:While I do like the dragon and the scenery I expect the cost of both in Oz will be over $100 each and unaffordable but neither are worth more than $50 to myself. I just have to wonder how much the sale restrictions have dropped total unit sales/

Gotta love how this pops up in just about every single thread. We get it, some Australians are pissy over the embargo.

Now, applying a little logic here, the Zombie Dragon should fetch about the price of the other large Fantasy models. High Elves Dragon, Dark Elves Black Dragon, Hell Pit Abomination, Chaos Lord on Manticore, even the ludicrously big dual kit Warsphinx/Necrosphinx box all fall into the $83au price bracket. One monster, the Arachnorok, falls into the $96au price bracket. The Zombie Dragon kit it likely to fall into the $96au bracket, since it's similarly sized (and used the Arachnorok base), but honestly I'd bet it'll fall into the $83au bracket.

Barring terrain, Warhammer Fantasy is actually the only range so far with models not in the $100au+ range. 40k has several in there, and LotR has the Mumakil. I do admit though, Fantasy has some ridiculous pricing. $83au for Archaon? What that feth.

Clearer pic of the Dark Eldar models on Hogs of War:

Yeah...I still like the Ur-Ghul, even if it looks like it has no eyes and just bloody pits.

Might be a cool Ghoul King on foot no less.

Whoooooooaaaaaaaa . From that clearer pic, I actually like those two models quite a bit... I'm OK with all of the more recent DE- a clearly different style than the previous, non-haemonculii type stuff... but still very good, imho.

The Medusae looks awesome. I love how the mask shown inset mimicks a Zoanthropes face.

damn, i like the vamp dragon. looks like i'll be adding something to my mantic undead

Anyone know what will be in the Chaos Daemons Battleforce/Armybox?

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah...I still like the Ur-Ghul, even if it looks like it has no eyes and just bloody pits.

Since Ur-Ghuls are blind, they probably aren't supposed to have eyes. They just have a row of 'scent pits' (aka nostrils)

And two different heads each, it seems.

Sigh, another release where i just cant resist and i dont play dark eldar. the ur-ghul will make fine plaguebearers and or khorne heralds and the other thingy screams for a slaanesh conversion.

Swordwind wrote:Anyone know what will be in the Chaos Daemons Battleforce/Armybox?

First post in the thread - seems to be 20 Bloodletters, 10 Daemonettes, 10 Horrors and 5 Mounted Daemonettes.

I'm not gonna lie; when I first saw the 'Tomb Banshee' I thought of Ginny Weasley.

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah...I still like the Ur-Ghul, even if it looks like it has no eyes and just bloody pits.

...just like it's description in the codex! lol...

I'm surprised at how much its body reminds me of a bloodletter. I guess my conversion idea I had wasn't that far off after all. Would be a lot cheaper, too...

Good lord, I think that dragon made me splooge a little...

I really love the new vampire stuff.But the demon thing looks awful.

I can confirm the following:

6th August

Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (new plastic kit, also usable as Terrorgheist, on an Arachnarok sized base) 45.50 €
Vampire Counts Cairn Wraith (new plastic blister) 10.50 €
Vampire Counts Tomb Banshee (new plastic blister) 10.50 €
Vlad Von Carstein (recast, Finecast, mail order only) 15.00 €
Konrad Von Carstein (recast, Finecast, mail order only) 15.00 €

Garden of Morr (this is a new multipart plastic graveyard terrain set) 32.50 €


20th August

Chaos Daemons Battalion / Battleforce (20 bloodletters, 10 daemonettes, 10 horrors, 5 mounted daemonettes) 85.00 €
Chaos Daemons Herald of Tzeentch on Disc of Tzeentch (new, Finecast, mail order only) 30.00 €
Chaos Standards of Tzeentch (3, Finecast, mail order only) 15.50 €
Chaos Standards of Khorne #1 (3, Finecast, mail order only) 15.50 €
Chaos Standards of Khorne #2 (3, Finecast, mail order only) 15.50 €

Dark Eldar Ur-Ghul (new, Finecast) 12.50 €
Dark Eldar Medusae (new, Finecast) 12.50 €

There is no scroll of binding for including the Terrorgheist or Zombiedragon into SoM, but both and Wraith and Banshee are explicitely mentioned to be a possible part of a pact. And yes, Banshee and Wraith get a ruleset to make them a hero choice, explicitely in addition to existing rules in the army book.

None of the other Finecast recasts is mentioned in the WD, so GW continues to deny the existence of that product range

The preview page confirms the second part of the Sororitas Codex in the next WD and the September release of the Ogre Kingdom army book including monsters bigger than a house!

BTW the Garden of Morr is fantastic, many more pics in the WD.

Throw tentacles on the medusae and boom, instant mind flayer for DnD players.

I like the models for the vampire counts but I agree with the other about Dark eldar.Stop the madness and move on

They want how much for a Herald of Tzeentch on a disc!?

30€ for a Herald on Disc!? That's bloody ridiculous.

blood reaper wrote:30€ for a Herald on Disc!? That's bloody ridiculous.

If it's 30€ it will be at least $38 US and maybe more. Ugh.

So no Master of the Ravenwing on Jetbike? :(

oneway wrote: I agree with the other about Dark eldar.Stop the madness and move on

Heh. That's what I keep saying about Space Marines...

when the feth are the tyranids going to get a tervigon? I imagine those things would sell like hot cakes, I know I'd buy three...and I meant feth, not feth...feth

Kroothawk wrote:Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (new plastic kit, also usable as Terrorgheist, on an Arachnarok sized base) 45.50 €

Login prevails. $96au price bracket. I would have liked it in the normal monster bracket, but it's good they didn't price higher.

I had a look at the new White Dwarf yesterday. There are also new Finecast Chaos Icon Banner Packs coming. Some of the icons are the really cool ones straight out of existing plastic kits like the Bloodcrushers and Bloodletters, some are brand new icons and banners. Banners will be packaged by Chaos power.

BrassScorpion wrote:I had a look at the new White Dwarf yesterday. There are also new Finecast Chaos Icon Banner Packs coming. Some of the icons are the really cool ones straight out of existing plastic kits like the Bloodcrushers and Bloodletters, some are brand new icons and banners. Banners will be packaged by Chaos power.

I could get down with that. I was afeared I'd have to grab a ton of the same Icon for my Sons army.

Really like the Vampire stuff, especially the terrorgheist with the ghoul king. And talk about timing, I had just decided to start VC as a SoM pact/3rd WFB army

I wonder if it's possible to build the terrorgheist body with a zombie dragon head? I prefer the terrorgheist's pose and sculpt but hate the head.

Chaos finally getting a battle force makes me happy to bad no plaugebearers.

As a Vampire count player I really loved the new models I will buy them all and the scenery as well. I also have Dark eldar but im not sure if i would grab one of those models. Not that i didnt like them, i find them quite interesting tho i still believe they could work more ideas on medusae. The subject is that i dont play with court on most of my games. Anyway about the vampire counts... The dragon is awesome so does the terrogheist. I own the old wraiths and banshees tho i can add the new one as well. Its really a shame they didnt gave us new black knights tbh and incoherent but the herald looks awful dudes. I would prefer the tzeentch sorcerer on disc thousand times instead. Anyone knows anything about the cost of terrorgheist as a rare option? Hm we have to wait the new rules to make sure about the use of those monsters. One more thing, wraiths in units? what the hell? no ethereal rule? or they still cant be hurt but normal weapons? meeh i hope they wont ruin our good old wraith units!

Kroothawk wrote:20th August

*snip*
Dark Eldar Ur-Ghul (new, Finecast, see pic)
Dark Eldar Medusae (new, Finecast, see pic)

So let me get this straight......They are only releasing half of a unit?! The court of the Archon must include at least 1 of each critter, yet they only release 2 of the 4 models? Who on earth would buy them if its actually impossible to make a legal unit with them untill they they release other models? Don't get me wrong, I really like the sculpts, but they are utterly useless in gaming terms until a Lhamean and Sslyth are both released.

Woohoow! More dark eldar!!

Gorechild wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:20th August

*snip*
Dark Eldar Ur-Ghul (new, Finecast, see pic)
Dark Eldar Medusae (new, Finecast, see pic)

So let me get this straight......They are only releasing half of a unit?! The court of the Archon must include at least 1 of each critter, yet they only release 2 of the 4 models? Who on earth would buy them if its actually impossible to make a legal unit with them untill they they release other models? Don't get me wrong, I really like the sculpts, but they are utterly useless in gaming terms until a Lhamean and Sslyth are both released.

Agreed, this is a bit odd, but pales into insignificance when you consider to field a legal unit of 4 models would cost £40!!!

Not to mention my idea of fielding multiple sslyth to take advantage of majority toughness rule has gone from a vague idea to a little screwed up bit of paper in the back of my brain. These are almost double the cost (£££ wise) that they really should be for anyone to seriously consider them surely?

These are almost double the cost (£££ wise) that they really should be for anyone to seriously consider them surely?

Agreed. The fact they've only released half the unit (and I'd argue not even the best options from that unit) only makes it worse. Surely the Sslyth and Lhameans would sell more?

The single figure plastic kits (although nice) are also overpriced - £8-10 is just madness for single pose plastic kits (conversion possibilities aside) - the standard 20% from Wayland et al makes them far more attractive - still get 'em while you can, next year they'll likely go up to £10-12

One more thing, wraiths in units? what the hell? no ethereal rule? or they still cant be hurt but normal weapons? meeh i hope they wont ruin our good old wraith units!

I'm sure they won't - but it seems contardictory to the Armies book if this is the case - typical GW Does anyone else see the banshee coverted into an (expensive) plastic ethereal vampire?

Of all the things they could have done bitz packs for, they do banners. For Daemons. In Finecast.

FFFFFFFUUUUUUUU-

All jokes aside I do find that interesting. I know they won't actually release anything useful, like a pack of blasters or dark lances for Dark Eldar for example, but at least this means it's in the realm of possibility, and that all of the suggestions we've been making this whole time weren't stupid after all.

oneway wrote: I like the models for the vampire counts but I agree with the other about Dark eldar.Stop the madness and move on

Oh yeah, you're right, time to move on. It's not like Dark Eldar have been ignored for a decade or anything, why the feth do they need models?

warspawned wrote:The single figure plastic kits (although nice) are also overpriced - £8-10 is just madness for single pose plastic kits (conversion possibilities aside) - the standard 20% from Wayland et al makes them far more attractive - still get 'em while you can, next year they'll likely go up to £10-12

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised and happy with the price. I'm liking them more than single pose metal models (well, now Finecast models) and they're the same price as the old metals, cheaper than Finecast. Some are in poses that really couldn't be done with metalsand would be terrible in Finecast - look at the Necromancer, with its sweeping cloak. Wouldn't have been done in metal because it would have been too hard to build, and in Finecast it would be far too brittle as the cloak is very, very thin. Or the Tzeentch sorcerers thin arms that would snap in Finecast.

The second wave of plastics are also getting things that the single pose metals never did - the Wraith has an alternate head, and the Herald has two alternate arms. I wouldn't be surprised if further releases end up with even more options crammed into the little frame - looking at some of the Fantasy sprues they can really jam things in there. The plastic characters could have easily been priced higher with 'GW logic', but where they are is pretty good. Maybe not compared to other companies stuff, but for GW models, their price is good.

I long ago made peace with the idea that GW feel they can charge 5x the price for a single figure as it represents a more powerful figure in the game, and consequently more points, but IIRC the ur-ghul and medusa are ~15 points each? So we are looking about £40 (which probably translates to AUS$100) for a unit which, while containing some individually characterful and fluffy units, which aren't totally useless in game terms, isn't what you would call competitive, or even powerful, for a sub-100 point unit?

Makes I laugh.

I'm liking the new selections for Fantasy. I'm definitely going to get me one of the Zombie Dragons and if the other option with the ghoul is just as good then I'll have to get a second one so I can field both if necessary

Can you equip the wraith with any magic items? 50 points for 3 strength 5 WS3 attacks while being T3 with no save of any kind is a pretty bad deal. Ethereal is only so good.

75 points for a banshee is still a ripoff although hiding her in a tough unit makes her somewhat better.

For the Medusae I'm thinking herald of tzeentch conversion.

I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Ixquic wrote:Can you equip the wraith with any magic items? 50 points for 3 strength 5 WS3 attacks while being T3 with no save of any kind is a pretty bad deal. Ethereal is only so good.

Apparently there's an upgrade option for Wraiths, which lets them do one attack that automatically wounds and ignores armour saves. But I can't see them not getting the usual 50 point magic item allotment that all other heroes get.

Any news on the leadership of a wraith? That or their WS?

Methinks an ethereal crown of command skirmisher could be good...

From what people have said, it's the same stats as the Cairn Wraith choice but costs 10 points more.

If anybody has noticed the ur-ghul's skull was already sculpted on the back packs of the warriors and on the poles that adorn the raiders. i was first wondering what race they were. i guess the dark eldar also hunt and kill the ur-ghul's just like they hunt the kroothawks I love kroothawks skulls.

I honestly love the new Dark Eldar models, especially the Medusae. I don't use a court anyways, but I definitely won't buy them because I'm avoiding Finecast. The new Vampire Counts models also make me very happy, and I don't even play them! I am, however, playing with ideas to do a little work on the new Tomb Banshee and have her turned into a Dark Elf Sorceress. You can never have too many Sorceresses.

Janthkin wrote:<broadcast mode active: while I personally lament the lack of new tyranid models, that's not what this thread is about; stay on topic>

-Loki- wrote:

Ixquic wrote:Can you equip the wraith with any magic items? 50 points for 3 strength 5 WS3 attacks while being T3 with no save of any kind is a pretty bad deal. Ethereal is only so good.

Apparently there's an upgrade option for Wraiths, which lets them do one attack that automatically wounds and ignores armour saves. But I can't see them not getting the usual 50 point magic item allotment that all other heroes get.

I know you can't see that, but what I couldn't see was the actual thing that ALLOWED them to have it.

As near as I can tell, no. The "new" "heros" are not allowed to take magic items. You pay a premium for slightly different abilities and hero points, rather than rare points. Yee haw. So much for regenerating my desire to play VC. Oh wait, Terrorgheist... "2d6+ its remaining wounds - the enemy's LD= dead models." Yeah, I'll enjoy that one...

Looks like some good releases are comin up.

I'm just going to throw this out there but I love the idea of a Zombie Dragon.
As if a zombie wasn't terrifying enough and if dragons wern't also very terrifying they just had to go and make a ... Zombie .... Dragon, very good GW.

Man i want that grave yard for my slowly developing city board it would look awesome next to the Shrine of the Aquilla to bad its 70 bucks haha

-Loki- wrote:

zombie wrote:While I do like the dragon and the scenery I expect the cost of both in Oz will be over $100 each and unaffordable but neither are worth more than $50 to myself. I just have to wonder how much the sale restrictions have dropped total unit sales/

Gotta love how this pops up in just about every single thread. We get it, some Australians are pissy over the embargo.

Now, applying a little logic here, the Zombie Dragon should fetch about the price of the other large Fantasy models. High Elves Dragon, Dark Elves Black Dragon, Hell Pit Abomination, Chaos Lord on Manticore, even the ludicrously big dual kit Warsphinx/Necrosphinx box all fall into the $83au price bracket. One monster, the Arachnorok, falls into the $96au price bracket. The Zombie Dragon kit it likely to fall into the $96au bracket, since it's similarly sized (and used the Arachnorok base), but honestly I'd bet it'll fall into the $83au bracket.

Barring terrain, Warhammer Fantasy is actually the only range so far with models not in the $100au+ range. 40k has several in there, and LotR has the Mumakil. I do admit though, Fantasy has some ridiculous pricing. $83au for Archaon? What that feth.

Well the dragon almost got over $100 at $96 andthe garden is going to be closer to $80 than under $50

=I= White-Wolf wrote:Hey everyone,
Mostly all vampire stuff with some notable exceptions like Finecast Inquisitor Karamazov and the Hydra:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=wh
On my iPhone so can't exactly put up pics, so if someone could edit them in that would be awesome, anyway here are the American prices for comparison:
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon/Terrorgeist: $57.75 ($96 aus )
Wraiths and Tomb banshee (plastic): $13.25 each
Finecast Vlad and Konrad von Carstien: $18:50 each
Garden of Morr: $41.75
Finecast Inquisitor Karamazov: $53.75 ($90 aus )
DE War Hydra (finecast): $66 ($102 aus!)
DE Dreadlord on cold one (finecast): $25
DE Sorceress with skull staff (finecast): $15.25
WE Spellweaver with staff (finecast): $18.25

I can't wait to get my hand on that zombie dragon! Many many ideas running though my head! A bit sad about the lack of DE pre-orders but you know, one can live Really wanted to see the rest of the court...

I really like the new stuff and the fact that WD has new rules for them is just icing on the cake. With some luck they keep this up.

army310 wrote:I really like the new stuff and the fact that WD has new rules for them is just icing on the cake. With some luck they keep this up.

Yeah, I want 3 more vampire count units each month.

-Matt

That got to be the most ugly dragon of the last years... terrible, ugly plain ridiculous.

Finecast for me is a big red flag... so Im stuck to plastics... prices on these single plastics are WAY to high so a red flag also... Talk about killing the interest.

Field Marshal Wiley wrote:Man i want that grave yard for my slowly developing city board it would look awesome next to the Shrine of the Aquilla to bad its 70 bucks haha

Hang on - if you're in the US, chief, then it has been quoted at a little over $40. The figure at ~$70 was in Singapore dollars, as I recall.

So after getting the White Dwarf, the banshee is 20 points more than she was before and the the wraith 10.

I can't see anyone using these in a list unless they are just jonesing to display the new models or something. Although sticking a banshee in a unit makes her more survivable, she will almost never make her points back unless someone decides to charge heavy cavalry into her unit like an idiot. Likewise the wraith is meh and if I really wanted 3 strength 5 attacks I'd shell out the extra 40 points for a Vampire and get better WS and a wizard. Ethereal is meaningless against most things anyway although I will admit that there is less stuff that will pick them out when they are leading a unit, only being T3 with 2W a goblin here will have no trouble killing either one. Vampire Counts are already fighting to fit heroes into their army so these being overpriced and not very useful will be a rough sell when the other choices are so much better.

NAVARRO wrote:That got to be the most ugly dragon of the last years... terrible, ugly plain ridiculous.

Finecast for me is a big red flag... so Im stuck to plastics... prices on these single plastics are WAY to high so a red flag also... Talk about killing the interest.

You must like it as a Terrorgeist, though, right? I agree that the dragon-form is not a world ender... but the terrorgeist is amazing, imo!

A shame about the two dark eldar models being only half what is needed to make a court... I have the codex, am starting the army, and didn't know this . Now, I'm less enthused... even at that price point, I would have eventually bought a court with how much I like those models. But with only half of those needed available, I probably won't...

Not a huge deal, but also something that just makes no sense- unless GW are planning to release the others soon, which would make me personally happy but maybe not too many others

RiTides wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:That got to be the most ugly dragon of the last years... terrible, ugly plain ridiculous.

Finecast for me is a big red flag... so Im stuck to plastics... prices on these single plastics are WAY to high so a red flag also... Talk about killing the interest.

You must like it as a Terrorgeist, though, right? I agree that the dragon-form is not a world ender... but the terrorgeist is amazing, imo!

Both melon goofy heads and some nonsense details ruin the feeling of both for me, all just a bit to childish to be honest... I prefer the new individual necro or wizards plastics they are releasing atm...

So after getting the White Dwarf, the banshee is 20 points more than she was before and the the wraith 10.

Yeah I noticed that, but it's because they're Heroes (it still doesn't replace the Rare choice) and I guess unit protection etc is the reason for the points rise, as well as allowing the units they join to cause Terror. Personally I'd like to use a Banshee in a unit of Ghouls or a Wraith to bolster some Skeletons on the cheap if the points were available. It adds variety even thouhg the other heroes are probably better - at least now you could have a Banshee Spam! list

NAVARRO wrote:Both melon goofy heads and some nonsense details ruin the feeling of both for me, all just a bit to childish to be honest... I prefer the new individual necro or wizards plastics they are releasing atm...

I can see that... I felt that way about the Arachnorak or whatever it is (giant spider) a bit. Starts to look like a toy at that scale, unless they get really detailed with it... still, this one I find awesome

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

This one, I believe.

RiTides wrote:

NAVARRO wrote:Both melon goofy heads and some nonsense details ruin the feeling of both for me, all just a bit to childish to be honest... I prefer the new individual necro or wizards plastics they are releasing atm...

I can see that... I felt that way about the Arachnorak or whatever it is (giant spider) a bit. Starts to look like a toy at that scale, unless they get really detailed with it... still, this one I find awesome

Arachnorak is still on my to-buy-or-not list I look at it and see a big crab but also a world of cool convos... and yes the head is also VERY goofy with even a ridiculous pair of nostrils Easy to fix though. Funny while GW is going GET BIG MONSTA TO KILL BIGGA MONSTA path I'm going 15mm

I have zero interest in the arachnarok or however you spell it. The terrorgheist tickles my fancy though.

Bloodhorror wrote:

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

Blast from the past. I have the fire dragon version of that somewhere in the back of my closet.

I'm trying to sell it but apparently no body wants to give this little fella a home !

NAVARRO wrote:Arachnorak is still on my to-buy-or-not list I look at it and see a big crab but also a world of cool convos... and yes the head is also VERY goofy with even a ridiculous pair of nostrils Easy to fix though. Funny while GW is going GET BIG MONSTA TO KILL BIGGA MONSTA path I'm going 15mm

Agreed (with Da Boss as well)... it would probably also help their cause if cannons weren't so crazy in 8th edition that people are scared to put riders on monstrous mounts

Bloodhorror wrote:

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

If you like that you can keep it the new one looks great. I really don't see why everyone is hating on the new Terrorgheist/Zombie Dragon, the free bits you get are cool you can make a Ghoul King on foot from the bits the only thing that kinda sucks is the cost, but at that its not too bad.

I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

Wraith units are terrible anyway so don't worry about it too much.

$pider wrote:I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

And when you realize that Banshees/Cairn Wraiths can be taken as heroes as well now?

How does that change your mind?

Bloodhorror wrote:

RossDas wrote:I was really hoping they'd go back to the style of the old (Undead army book) zombie dragon - the one on all fours; with the exception of it's garlic-clove-looking claws that mini was awesome, and seemed to fit the undead mood more. The new one looks more like a bony Balrog to me.

Do you mean this one?

Nope, that looks like something that might follow a curry and pint!
I mean this one:


There was a wight or something riding it too.

Kanluwen wrote:

$pider wrote:I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

And when you realize that Banshees/Cairn Wraiths can be taken as heroes as well now?

How does that change your mind?

Not at all. So if I want a Banshee hero and Banshee unit then I am stuck with the same unipose model for both?

$pider wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

$pider wrote:I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

And when you realize that Banshees/Cairn Wraiths can be taken as heroes as well now?

How does that change your mind?

Not at all. So if I want a Banshee hero and Banshee unit then I am stuck with the same unipose model for both?

Exactly as planned!

GW doesn't want anyone figuring out their gameplan. They're crazy like a fox.

I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

My son and I were discussing this yesterday. Minimum units are about $40 US. The models look great, but Warhammer is getting less practical all the time. Like so many other units with incredibly high single model prices (e.g., Ogryns, Wraithguard, Immortals) these may be units one rarely sees any more or that are nearly always minimum sized units when someone does buy them.

The arrogance in pricing over the past couple years knows no bounds and the only thing that gets a reaction from GW regarding pricing is when people stop buying the items in question. What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf. I will be interested to see when they finally get one of their "ah-ha" moments again, it's been about three years now since the last one where they used more affordable pricing on some new releases and revised releases. Hopefully they won't run themselves out of business before getting there.

Not bad, I like the dragon.

In the new White Dwarf there are rules for using the Banshee and the Wraith as characters. That makes it a bit more affordable and useful for those who only wish to buy one of each model.

You could always go for a cheaper option and buy Mantic wraiths and undead for your army. The cost to buy 1 wraith from GW is the same for a box of 10 from Mantic. Banshee's can be sourced from a variety of locations, I am currently using Reaper ones.

I have an undead army using their miniatures and it's been a pleasure to purchase and put together.

If you think GW is asking too much, go elsewhere.

Fenriswulf wrote:You could always go for a cheaper option and buy Mantic wraiths and undead for your army. The cost to buy 1 wraith from GW is the same for a box of 10 from Mantic. Banshee's can be sourced from a variety of locations, I am currently using Reaper ones.

Except Mantics Wraiths look terrible. Not being anti-Mantic, their Ghouls and Zombies are better than GW's offerings. But the bulk of Mantics undead range is below average, and the Wraiths are uip there with the terrible Soul Reaver knights and mounted Vampire.

If you're going to recommend non-GW wraiths, at least recommend the good alternatives, like Reapers wraith box set. Sure, they're not as cheap as Mantics, but they are still a lot cheaper than GW, being $40us for 9, and they look awesome as well.

The Mantic wraiths look perfectly fine to me. And I have seen the Reaper ones, and they are pretty uninspiring to be honest, especially for that price. Twirled sculpted green stuff with oversized scythes? Pass.

All depends what you like. Thus far having bought most of Mantics undead line, I have been very very impressed with it.

BrassScorpion wrote:

I like the VC stuff and they actually had me considering a VC army with Banshee and Cairn Wraith units. That all ended when I realized that they were $13.25 model. I know that min Banshee unit size ranges from 3-10. Too expensive for a unit.

My son and I were discussing this yesterday. Minimum units are about $40 US. The models look great, but Warhammer is getting less practical all the time. Like so many other units with incredibly high single model prices (e.g., Ogryns, Wraithguard, Immortals) these may be units one rarely sees any more or that are nearly always minimum sized units when someone does buy them.

The arrogance in pricing over the past couple years knows no bounds and the only thing that gets a reaction from GW regarding pricing is when people stop buying the items in question. What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf. I will be interested to see when they finally get one of their "ah-ha" moments again, it's been about three years now since the last one where they used more affordable pricing on some new releases and revised releases. Hopefully they won't run themselves out of business before getting there.

Personally, I've found that smaller games of Fantasy have a much better game play. It keeps the real nasties out of the game. Some armies will be more than others though especially undead. You've just got to have so many bodies!

BrassScorpion wrote: What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf.

Well, to be fair we've never had a repeat of the Blood Knight fiasco. Every other army's mounted equivalent started coming out in plastic following that. I've yet to come across someone who isn't a GW employee who actually owns any Blood Knights...

DarkStarSabre wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote: What amazes me is the fact that there are certain items I almost never see purchased over the past couple years most likely due to the egregious pricing, yet no pull-back yet on those items from GW. In fact, instead they've pushed many other items up to those exorbitant price points at which little moves off the shelf.

Well, to be fair we've never had a repeat of the Blood Knight fiasco. Every other army's mounted equivalent started coming out in plastic following that. I've yet to come across someone who isn't a GW employee who actually owns any Blood Knights...

Which is a real tragedy because i for one think the sculpts are great and would LOVE to own 5. Or 10. But at $100 that's half of the rest of my army in price. THE ENTIRE rest of my army! The mounted Chaos Knights are, sadly, a little too chaosy, and none of the elves fit the bill for me in terms of over all menace. Alas!

Straight from The White Dwarf!