Her tutorial video on miniature mentor was great, but sadly was for a monochrome miniature. This color miniature should be great to see how she gets such perfect blends and clean painting.
Huh, I didn't think anyone would have the balls to charge more ridiculous prices than GW for a product, but I guess I was mistaken. Maybe they should use more boob advertisement.
Great googly moogly those are some beautifully painted miniatures. I'm not sure why everyone's so hung up about an adequately attractive female being on the front cover. At the end of the day, most of us like looking at women more than men and there's no questioning her painting expertise. What would you prefer instead, this guy?
Irdiumstern wrote:Huh, I didn't think anyone would have the balls to charge more ridiculous prices than GW for a product, but I guess I was mistaken. Maybe they should use more boob advertisement.
You realise that the market for this sort of thing is incredibly small right?
If you don't like paying for things I'm sure YouTube can help you out with painting tutorials.
ancientsociety wrote:I see they still have the "OMG, a woman....with BOOBS!!" cover thing going, though a bit less gratuitous then the last DVD.
Cleavage and boobs sell. Marketing research indicates something like (going by memory) a 25% to 40% boast in sales of products with boobs on the cover...even products specifically aimed at women (like Cosmo). Like it or it - for either sex...they grab the eye sparking interest and increasing sales.
Kroothawk wrote:I remember the last thread, when US posters went all mad over the boobs and were not interested in the painting at all, ruining the thread.
Yep, we are a silly lot sometimes.
I think Jennifer Haley's cover looks fine. She is tastefully attired, in a relaxed pose (not jutting out her chest) and her smirk is rather amusing. Now, that mini to the right of her...that is just a blatant attempt to capture the attention of hormonally charged males. I mean look at that woman. She is practically falling out of her armor!
Kroothawk wrote:I remember the last thread, when US posters went all mad over the boobs and were not interested in the painting at all, ruining the thread.
She has another video? Who published it - Vivid or Wicked?
Kroothawk wrote:Some 28mm examples of her work: (images)
..... wow. That blending is incredible.
Does anyone actually own this DVD? I'd like to know if it's worth it. I've looked at several of these DVD's and been intrigued, but not quite enough to buy one... yet.
Irdiumstern wrote:Huh, I didn't think anyone would have the balls to charge more ridiculous prices than GW for a product, but I guess I was mistaken. Maybe they should use more boob advertisement.
You realise that the market for this sort of thing is incredibly small right?
If you don't like paying for things I'm sure YouTube can help you out with painting tutorials.
It's not that people don't like paying for things, it's the idea that any painting tutorial video sells for $130, and is being offered at the bargain price of $100. Even the $39.99 is a little laughable in my opinion. The work is brilliant, but the price seems shocking to me.
People pay $15 for a 1.5hr DVD full of entertainment.
$40 for a 6hr instructional DVD full of a person's life work is not unreasonable. It's on the high side, but at least she has quality to show for it. This ain't no Finecost scam. There are plenty of DVDs that teach you Photoshop, camerawork, 3D modelling, etc for more than this. Go to your local bookstore and you'll find How-To books for over $120, and that's with a 2hr DVD. $40 is reasonable and selling it in a bundle with an equivalent DVD for $10 off is also reasonable.
It's no must-have deal, but it's on par in comparison to other how-to DVDs.
What she's wearing on that cover is in no way gratuitous or exploitative. It's nothing you wouldn't see in a restaurant, a book store, or a convention. Get over yourselves.
Absolutionis wrote:What she's wearing on that cover is in no way gratuitous or exploitative. It's nothing you wouldn't see in a restaurant, a book store, or a convention. Get over yourselves.
Agreed. That outfit might be pushing the limits of "business casual" depending on your office, but that's about it. Sometimes I don't think folk here get out all that much...
Otherwise, I am glad to see that so many really good painters are getting painting videos put out. While I probably won't be buying one myself, it is cool to see them getting some notoriety and hopefully another stream of income as a result of their hard work.
Absolutionis wrote:What she's wearing on that cover is in no way gratuitous or exploitative. It's nothing you wouldn't see in a restaurant, a book store, or a convention. Get over yourselves.
Agreed. That outfit might be pushing the limits of "business casual" depending on your office, but that's about it. Sometimes I don't think folk here get out all that much...
This. Although I will admit, that's the most makeup I've ever seen her wear.
I have the miniature painting video released last year by Natalya. I was very underwelmed by it. We are never told what colors are being used, there is very little narration, just her painting at double speed for 10+ hours. To make maters worse many of the minis used in the video are out of print thus hard to copy and follow along. I am afriad this disk will be the same, but I hope not as Jen was one of those painters who really got me into the hobby back when she posted her first fianna mini back in the day.
If you want a good painting video I suggest Hot Lead. Lazlo knows what he is talking about and does a great job explaining things. FYI if anyone is interestd my Natalya video is up for sale or trade.
augustus5 wrote:It's not that people don't like paying for things, it's the idea that any painting tutorial video sells for $130, and is being offered at the bargain price of $100.
It is not one video for $130, it is three different ones sold in a bundle, having maybe 20+ hours of footage.
Necrosis wrote:Just wondering does anyone know where the models (in the pictures) come from aside from the GW and PP ones.
I'm not buying Ms Haley, I'm purchasing the secrets to her painting skills, so maybe, just maybe, her work should have been the focus of the cover and not her!
Personally, I don't find her that attractive, most guys know that means, should she offer herself to me I probably wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't take a bullet for her.
Without being old fashioned, she does herself an injustice by dominating the cover of her DVD, it does suggest a "sex sells" theme, or an amazing amount of ego. I've purchased other How to DVD's from male painters and you're lucky if you see their face on the DVD box, let alone a good portion of their naked chests!
To harsh and funny about the attractive remark Delephont
Attractive or not for me personally I would NOT like to have a miniature painting DVD with lady boobs on the cover Its totally OFF for what I consider a hobby for the family. So for me personally this cover will detach this potentially good dvd from my hobby.
Vertrucio wrote:Her tutorial video on miniature mentor was great, but sadly was for a monochrome miniature. This color miniature should be great to see how she gets such perfect blends and clean painting.
+1 to this, I love that tutorial too! I'm buying this DVD for sure. It's fun seeing how different painters take pretty different aproaches, and they still get awesome results.
Delephont wrote:Personally, I don't find her that attractive, most guys know that means, should she offer herself to me I probably wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't take a bullet for her.
Without being old fashioned, she does herself an injustice by dominating the cover of her DVD, it does suggest a "sex sells" theme, or an amazing amount of ego.
It's the same as this:
The target audience is not for people that want to bonerize Bob Ross but for those that care about painting.
Sex is not trying to sell. Women wear outfits like that all the time. It's delusional to think otherwise.
Just because she doesn't have the Y-chromosome that Mr. Bob Ross has, she is allowed to dress differently.
Man, the negativity over someone doing smart marketing is amazing. Who cares if she's showing a SMALL amount of cleavage. Should she dress as a nun or something? (Guess thats good for selling SoB painting secrets)
A relatively attractive woman sells a product better than Milton the balding overweight gamer (Apologies if anyone is named Milton and has the same qualities)
Its not like this isnt the tactic for virtually EVERYTHING sold in the entire world. My problem with this product is that you can get painting tutorials for free so shrug
Delephont wrote:Personally, I don't find her that attractive, most guys know that means, should she offer herself to me I probably wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't take a bullet for her.
Without being old fashioned, she does herself an injustice by dominating the cover of her DVD, it does suggest a "sex sells" theme, or an amazing amount of ego.
It's the same as this:
The target audience is not for people that want to bonerize Bob Ross but for those that care about painting.
Sex is not trying to sell. Women wear outfits like that all the time. It's delusional to think otherwise.
Just because she doesn't have the Y-chromosome that Mr. Bob Ross has, she is allowed to dress differently.
Yes, but even Bob Ross's cover is heavily sexualised, I had to look twice because I thought that was a Ron Jeremy DVD.....I think it was the Afro that did it!
Just to be clear, my comments were tongue in cheek, I'm sure she's a lovely lady, so lovely I would bear her children.
Oh and the statement about a "boy wearing a dress"! Awesome
Anything that inspires people to put a nice paint job on their armies, I am in favor of. While I wouldn't buy it myself, (Not to say I am anywhere near as talented as her, but I paint well enough for my own purposes when I want to.) if anyone wants to learn how to paint really, really well, by the looks of the miniatures posted a few posts above mine, it seems like she's the one to listen to. A couple of those, it looks like she actually made them look better than what the sculptor intended. Damn nice work.
If people are distracted by the obvious attempt at sales by sex appeal of the cover, just replace it with the one below. For those who have bought previous versions, does she really only use two colors for the ranger on the rock in her monochrome video? That's pretty amazing if so.
warboss wrote:For those who have bought previous versions, does she really only use two colors for the ranger on the rock in her monochrome video? That's pretty amazing if so.
Yes, she does. She uses a dark chocolate brown tone a creamy white tone. Makes a 50/50 mix to get a mid tone. And then mixes again the mid tone with the darker tone and the lighter tone, so she gets 5 colours to play with. In some areas she paints with the 3 darker colours, in others with the 3 middle colours and in other with the 3 lightest colours. Pretty nice tutorial.
Jayden63 wrote:Artists are recognized by their work and name. But its always nice to know the face behind the work.
I don't have a single issue with her dvd cover. I could wish the figure was a little bit bigger, but that's it.
That's an excellent point. Unless some of her specific models are so epic and well known that people would recognize who they were by, just having a name and some models isn't too clear. Putting the faces of the painters on the DVD makes them more distinguishable in a way humans appreciate. Imagine having a rack of 20 of these (which sooner or later will exist) in your store. Customers can very easily see which ones they have and which they don't at a glance. Each DVD is very easily distinguished where as just name and some models requires a bit more consideration. Plus, it builds a brand. If Jen's video sells really well, they can make another one with her picture on it, and people who liked the first will immediately recognize it as being something they might be interested in.
Wehrkind wrote:[...Imagine having a rack of 20 of these ...
Heh. You said rack. Heh.
Anyway, the example mini of the lady holding the fire is from George RR Martin, "A Song of Ice and Fire" miniature line. Character name is Melisandre. That color scheme is very out of character (based on the books), but the paint job is so well executed I just don't care!
Jayden63 wrote:Artists are recognized by their work and name. But its always nice to know the face behind the work.
I don't have a single issue with her dvd cover. I could wish the figure was a little bit bigger, but that's it.
That's an excellent point. Unless some of her specific models are so epic and well known that people would recognize who they were by, just having a name and some models isn't too clear. Putting the faces of the painters on the DVD makes them more distinguishable in a way humans appreciate. Imagine having a rack of 20 of these (which sooner or later will exist) in your store. Customers can very easily see which ones they have and which they don't at a glance. Each DVD is very easily distinguished where as just name and some models requires a bit more consideration. Plus, it builds a brand. If Jen's video sells really well, they can make another one with her picture on it, and people who liked the first will immediately recognize it as being something they might be interested in.
That's the other issue. I can recognize several artists with just a glimps of their work. Adams, Esher, Royo, Shirow, Lee. But that's because their characters and backgrounds have a very distinct style and character about them. A mini is a mini. Yeah its painted awesomely, but spend enough time looking at various different mini galleries and they all start to blend together. There needed to be something on the cover to help make the DVD unique in that regard. Since Haley isn't a bad looking girl, why not put the artist on the cover. It sure as hell isn't going to hurt sales and it does give her DVD series a unique image to go with it and help it stand out.
Part of my makeup that's directly connected to my interest in miniature painting: I'm not quite right in the head. Literally.
A few years ago, after a lifetime of shy, compulsive, withdrawn, morbid, creative, loner, overachiever, space cadet, I was finally diagnosed with Asperger syndrome. Asperger's is a neurological condition which falls within the autism disorder spectrum. Some doctors classify it as 'high-functioning autism.' Girls tend to go undiagnosed because they have better language skills and learn to blend in more easily than autistic boys. If you've ever seen me go blank in the middle of a class, or twitch and make odd noises to myself, or put in earplugs during dinner...well, now you know why.
How does this translate in real life?
I have weird problems with sensory and spatial perception. Noises that other people can't hear give me headaches or make me nauseous. I run into walls, knock things over, and couldn't dance or hit a baseball to save my life. Jazz music agitates me. Too many conversations in one room, if I'm unable to tune it out, will send me into an anxiety attack, crying or hyperventilating. The chronic pain that has plagued me since I was fifteen, I suspect, is not an independent disorder, but connected to this whole neurological traffic jam.
I notice details and patterns in odd ways. As a kid I couldn't read a clock. Nobody pointed out to me the simple counting-minutes principle, and so until fourth grade (as I now realize) I told minutes as a memorized pattern, much in the same way an illiterate person will recognize words. On the other hand, it wasn't until I was out of college that I comprehended: not everyone has to read every bit of print that falls within her field of vision. People can actually just not register words. This was a shock. That Discovery Channel show, 'How Things Are Made'? Best show ever. I easily get derailed speculating what went into making some object that catches my gaze.
Social interaction is a conscious process, and a pleasant evening with friends can exhaust me just as much as a meeting with a hostile acquaintance. As long as I can remember, I've had to remind myself to look people in the eye while speaking...and I still have conversations with a point over someone's left shoulder. I have to prepare what to say in situations ranging from party small talk to buying new shoes. When someone catches me with questions or comments I wasn't expecting, I freeze up.
Others are hard to read, and I give off abnormal cues myself. (In a very real way, every culture is a foreign culture to me.) I don't realize someone was hitting on me until a third party points it out, and the person I'm speaking with may see me as defensive or snobbish when I thought I was friendly and polite. It's hardest for me to interact with 'normal' women. I may adore corsets and petticoats (provided they're not pink or sparkly), but my brain processes things in a more typically masculine fashion. That, and my interest in subjects usually considered macabre or icky by girls, means that most of my activities are male-dominated.
Miniature painting allows me to channel usefully much of the hypercritical attention to detail. It's a help, not a hindrance. Getting absorbed in a project to the exclusion of all normal life doesn't hurt anything. And since my social and professional circles are made up of geeks--bright and creative people, many of whom have their own oddities and disorders--I don't feel abnormal, or even stand out all that much. Perhaps this is why I've worked at mini painting longer and more successfully than any other single pursuit in my life."
*edit* I wanted to add that I had about a 10 minute conversation with Jen at Reapercon and I just wanted to say that she is one of the nicest folks I've had the pleasure of having a conversation with. She is absolutely helpful and was very willing to give me advice. I never once got the 'she's a jerk' vibe or anything... total delight. Side note - Lazlo was there and is an awesome person too!
MajorTom11 wrote:And here we go again lol, lap 27 on the track of circular boob debates lol
Is that the debate about shape alone, or just whether fake ones are acceptable?
Actually, as a bit of an aside, because I just thought about it so to hell with whether it is relevant to this thread! TO HELL I SAY!
*ahem*
I kind of wonder if these painting videos featuring women on the cover might actually be pretty beneficial to bringing more women into the hobby as a whole. I can imagine a female going into a game store with her male and seeing these videos by the register and thinking to herself "Huh, girls actually do this stuff? And are really good at it? Maybe there is something to it." Not in those exact words of course, but in general. After all, people are more comfortable with new things when they see people like them doing it, especially if the people like them are appealing in some way (attractive, powerful etc.), and even more so if the people like them are respected by the rest of the group. Sparks that "I could be like that" feeling that marketing people probably have a much better phrase for than I do.
I don't know, might just be wishful thinking, but I think a lot more girls would be interested in gaming if it wasn't predominantly seen as a hobby for fat and nerdy guys. Showing attractive women who are involved in the hobby and in fact somewhat revered for their contributions (such that people are willing to make and buy videos of them painting) might go a long way towards that.
These videos tend to be expensive overall because they are time intensive to make, with both the painter and the studio producing them having to get together and spend a lot of time doing the painting, then even more time after that editing all the video and audio.
On top of that, it's a niche market to begin with.
Ouze wrote:Congratulations, Dakka, on again showing why women aren't interested in wargaming.
I don't think the DVD covers are helping the situation or doing any favours. They're a blatant targeting of a certain demographic if ever i did see it.
Ouze wrote:Congratulations, Dakka, on again showing why women aren't interested in wargaming.
Women aren't interested in wargaming because there are painting tutorials with a cover that shows the barest hint of cleavage and people comment about it?
In all seriousness, I won't be buying this DVD or anything to do with Jennifer Haley, I've had more then a few negative experiences with her in the past and have zero interest in supporting anything she does
It is time to move on from comments pertaining to anatomy, grade scales for attractiveness, preferences in potential mates/dates, bad (or good) puns/jokes/etc.
In other words, all off topic stuff.
Consider this an Official Public Warning to stay on topic.
I wonder why we did not see Brandon looking sultry on the cover of the GMM studios DVD? Or did I just not see the 'special calendar edition' of his tutorial?
I am an admirer of her work and wonder why she and Natalya (who's work I am unfamiliar with) were put on the cover as they were. Or rather, I am likely fully aware to the reason but am puzzled about it.
Wehrkind, mate, what the hell office do you work in? If a woman had come to work in my office dressed like that, she'd have been sent home again to change into something more professional and less 'evening'...
Alpharius wrote:It is time to move on from comments pertaining to anatomy, grade scales for attractiveness, preferences in potential mates/dates, bad (or good) puns/jokes/etc.
In other words, all off topic stuff.
Consider this an Official Public Warning to stay on topic.
Erasoketa wrote:So, do we know a release date -apart from that GenCon- for the DVD release at the CMON store?
Maybe you want to reread the first sentence of this thread
Yes but... I don't know when GenCon is. And also, when last year CMON published Natalya's DVD, it took several months for them to have the DVD in stock, when the digital version was already available. I had in mind the availability in CMON store of the physical DVD.
This thread is not about the cover of a DVD. This thread is about a DVD concerning miniatures painting and the appearance of the person in that DVD at a certain event. Please keep the comments on-topic. Failure to do so, after many explicit moderator warnings to this effect will result in suspension of your account.
I'd love to find out more of what's on Jen's DVD. I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.
FWIW, she's a lovely person. I hope she has the sense to avoid this site like the plague.
Mastiff wrote:I'd love to find out more of what's on Jen's DVD. I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.
FWIW, she's a lovely person. I hope she has the sense to avoid this site like the plague.
Not sure why she'd want to avoid this site like the plague?
This thread has veered off topic, but every attempt has been made to steer it back on topic.
Overall, I think Dakka Dakka does a fairly good job at keeping at even keel.
She's one of best painters around but the reviews about Natalya DVD were not that good so I fear for the content of this one also... One DVD that its a must for me but I still didn't got it ( but has very nice reviews and the little teasers on the net show a million light years ahead of the CMON ones is Jeremy one for kraken ( I also prefer his panting style).
More than looking at someone painting is important that the painter has some inclination to be a teacher and as we know not every good artist has that ability.
Well, Jen has a lot of experience teachign peopel how to paint. I am not sure how much experience NAtalya has / has had, and then language is a barrier fro Natalya as well. If anything can be Said for CMON they take what they do very very seriously and I would imagine that they want to produce as many succesful products as possible. By that I imagine that this will be a worthwhile purchase. Jen is a great painter and artist and seems to be a competent teacher.
NAVARRO wrote:She's one of best painters around but the reviews about Natalya DVD were not that good so I fear for the content of this one also... One DVD that its a must for me but I still didn't got it ( but has very nice reviews and the little teasers on the net show a million light years ahead of the CMON ones is Jeremy one for kraken ( I also prefer his panting style).
More than looking at someone painting is important that the painter has some inclination to be a teacher and as we know not every good artist has that ability.
I don't know if Natalya's DVD for CMON was her first tutorial ever, but I know that Jen Haley has done at least two more before CMON's. I own the "Monochrome techniques" tutorial from Miniature Mentor and IMHO she is a very good teacher. I hope that she will be as communicative in this new tuto as she has been before.
If the reviews of the DVD are good, I'll pick it up. She's a better painter than I'll ever be, and if it helps me at all, I've nary a problem with that.
I question the need to sell painting advice when it is so readily available on the internet. For free.
Granted her models are very nice, but most of those results come down to a certain degree of skill combined with countless hours of practise, which is something that you can't teach over a 6hr DVD.
Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I question the need to sell painting advice when it is so readily available on the internet. For free.
Granted her models are very nice, but most of those results come down to a certain degree of skill combined with countless hours of practise, which is something that you can't teach over a 6hr DVD.
L. Wrex
True to some extent but you are not considering the fact that these DVD's are usually more like a condensed pill of information and its objective is to trim down as you say the countless hours required to acquire knowledge by trial and error.
Also, with things like studying the arts, just being able to see someone at work, in high detail, watching for stuff like how exactly paint is applied, how the brush is swept across in a certain way to make sure paint is applied in the right areas, but not too much or too little. Or other things like what kind of consistency the paint, and more.
Other smaller things, like learning what you should expect to see when you put brush to mini is also a big deal.
Many of the little things that make you efficient and effective (and avoid frustration) are within those details, and are the difference between painting on the level of Jen Haley, or fast painting for the table.
All that requires a better production value to see than small youtube videos.
painting tutorials are great since I am great at copying. If there is a step by step guide I will be able to copy anything to 95% of its original feel and look.
Not sure why she'd want to avoid this site like the plague?
This thread has veered off topic, but every attempt has been made to steer it back on topic.
Overall, I think Dakka Dakka does a fairly good job at keeping at even keel.
And look how many attempts it takes. Per page. I do appreciate the moderation though, and recognize that the mods do what they can.
Manchu wrote:
Mastiff wrote:I always thought her colour sense was one of her greatest strengths, I'm curious if she explains how she makes her choices.
Agree on color choice. I don't think she's as good with lighting, however. Example. Of course, I'm not saying I could do better. Far from it.
I agree, that's not her best example of source lighting. Try these:
The minis are mostly monochrome to give the effect of a single light source.
As far as teaching goes, I know she used to run painting clinics at gaming conventions. Not sure if she still does. But I would expect that would give her more experience in preparation for the video.
Lycaeus Wrex wrote:I question the need to sell painting advice when it is so readily available on the internet. For free.
Granted her models are very nice, but most of those results come down to a certain degree of skill combined with countless hours of practise, which is something that you can't teach over a 6hr DVD.
True, but she's targeting advanced painters, not beginners. At some point it's very helpful to see some of the more subtle tricks of the trade, that need to be shown rather than written about. Sometimes it's small details like holding the brush, painting environment, mixing mediums, whatever. Whether it's worth paying for depends whether you feel free advice is of the same value I guess.
I am a little unsure because I heard people from her classes at adepticon and none of the reviews were all that great. She is an amazing painter but personally I would love too see a video by the first crystal brush winner Marike because she is just as amazing at painting, and has some great tutorials on her site.
I've seen most of the videos produced by Miniature Mentor and the two previous dvds made by CoolMiniorNot and all I can say is MM is a lot better in terms of content and production value. As previously mentioned, Jen did a video for MM which was very well structured and easy to follow. The guy doing the videos can be a bit annoying but he does a good job in asking the right questions from the artists so that the viewer can understand all the details and steps fully.
For the CMON dvds they did with Natalya and Brandon, it seems like the artist was left to their own devices to come up with the content. Some things are glossed over and some steps are not explained fully in detail. To make matters worse, the person doing the video editing loves to splice in horrible music that loops throughout the video. Natalya's video had some gypsie sounding music and Brandon's music was rock/heavy metal...all of which was looped continuously to fill in the silent parts.
That being said, Jen is still a great painter so I'll probably look for this once it's out for download though I have my expectations set pretty low.
Edit: The list at 15:49 made me LOL. I'm not saying I agree with this dude. But sometimes a person says something extremely funny...
Damn that fella has a really annoying way to express himself almost looks like he needs therapy quickly... yet he is quite right about many points he raises.
NAVARRO wrote:Damn that fella has a really annoying way to express himself almost looks like he needs therapy quickly... yet he is quite right about many points he raises.
Some people just have no in-camera presence or ability to express themselves clearly, concisely and to the point. This fella is a very good example of a person lacking these qualities. Other prominent examples include the hosts of 40k Radio and almost all other gaming podcasts.
Panic wrote:yeah,
I skimmed that dudes review (it's a hour long!)...
It seemed fair and thought out.
Yeah, it seemed far fairer than I'd've been, highlighting what seemed to me rather serious issues with editing and production, but still ending with an overall rating of about 5/10. I didn't like some of the insinuations he made like "maybe the people who hated my first review spent all of their time looking at the chick's cleavage and not the DVD" (not nearly in those words, mark you). His complaining about miniature nudity felt almost quaint, too.
Agamemnon2 wrote: His complaining about miniature nudity felt almost quaint, too.
To be fair it's not his fault, it's very likely just because he's american. I mean they get upset with superbowl nipples and Katy Perry's nudity assault on elmo.
Seriously 'too much flesh for young eyes' outrage got this pulled from the airwaves...
I enjoy the part where she is running in place hehe. Seriously though if your going to star on a kids show the least you could do is put some clothes on for modesty.
Fishboy wrote:I enjoy the part where she is running in place hehe. Seriously though if your going to star on a kids show the least you could do is put some clothes on for modesty.
sorry joe : ) i see no reason why she isn't being modest. she is almost completely covered....
