Do you like little kids playing warhammer 40k? I don't. I think they are a bit too immature and they don't have a passion for the hobby. What do you think?

Define -Little-

I have no problem with them if they have a basic understanding of the game and don't annoy the hell out of me.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote: I think they are a bit too immature and they don't have a passion for the hobby. What do you think?

I think that's one hell of a generalisation, right there.

Define 'little'... or 'a bit too immature'...

I've met 40-year-olds playing this game who I feel are 'a little too immature' for it, so that's not really a guideline.

And I've met 12-year-olds with more 'passion for the hobby' than many of the adults. For a lot of kids, it's still all exciting and new... they haven't lost that passion after years of rebuilding armies, relearning the same game every time a codex or rulebook is renewed, or just gotten fed up with year after year of the same old same old from Games Workshop.


SO no, I have no problem with 'little' kids playing 40K, specificially. If they want to play, and they can handle the rules, why shouldn't they?

coolyo294 wrote:I have no problem with them if they have a basic understanding of the game and don't annoy the hell out of me.

This, also if they can take a loss. I've played kids before ie. 12-13ish and i find that they can't take a defeat, after the game they're down faced and pack up real quick. Other than that i think it's fair game and it's good to have the next gen of 40kers. After all, we all had to start some time.

insaniak wrote:
And I've met 12-year-olds with more 'passion for the hobby' than many of the adults.

Group Age Size as of july first
12,15,16,17
Group Age Size as of July Second
13,15,16,17

Im the Lowest,me and the 17 year old( We are all neighbors the 15 and sixteen being brothers) have by far the most passion. The 17 year old has a job, the rest of us don't yet we manage to raise our arimes so slightly( Chores, various favors etc) Armys are\
13(Meee!)-Eldar Dark Eldar
15- Nilla Marines
16- Orks
17- Tau CSM

We have two people( Other neighbor and 17 year olds ex-step brother who lives in georgia(The State) are starting) who have
13- BA Battle Force
16- Two Boxes of SW
Proof Kids can and do play 40k

I've played great games against younger opponents

I had my titanium ass handed to me playing necrons against a 10 year old that was more tactically aware and rules savvy than most opponents i run into, and far more emotionally mature than a few i've had the misfortune to beat.

30-something guys should not cry and have a screaming, bawling tantrum when their army loses. Nuff said.

I'd rather play opponents based on maturity and TFG rating than on age.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote: I think they are a bit too immature and they don't have a passion for the hobby.

I can't really say myself, but since those 'little kids' are GW's target demographic for 40k, I'd say get used to 'em.

I don't play at a FLGS nor am in any club. I just play with friends and cousins. I would never want to play miniature wargames with any stranger younger than 17. I would never want to play with any stranger who I think is immature either. If I ever happen to end up in such a situation, I would excuse myself and walk away. That being said, if I know the kid/immature adult from somewhere or was introduced to the kid/immature adult by someone I know, and IF the kid/immature adult is curious about the game, I'd be glad to show them how its played.
However, it is hard to imagine myself playing with someone else other than friends or relatives, since we know each other and get along so well. We even have a couple of our own sets of rules as well as 40K rules, which suit different types of games or play styles, such as rpg, space battle, space and ground battle combined, and joint operations. But I guess if there was ever that one conditional situation, then they would technically be a friend too.

Without kids in this hobby the hobby will be filled with aging nerds.

I started RT as a kid, Space Hulk, WHFB..

If i was told to come back when i was 18 every time i wanted a game i would have never continued in the hobby.

I'd be richer, and very bored.

I agree with you all. I mean little as in under 10. Im actually just a few years above 10 and I am deeply passionate about the hobby.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I agree with you all. I mean little as in under 10. Im actually just a few years above 10 and I am deeply passionate about the hobby.

Hoooo boy. This explains so, so very much.

Hang on a second. You're saying you're, what, 12? 13? And you're already at the stage at which you're saying 'Ergh, these little kids are ruining the game'?

Does anyone on Dakka have a major in psychology? This is some deep stuff here. Thesis-paper level.

Yes, please define little. I got into this hobby when I was 12 and am more mature than the 17 year old who got me into it.

infinite_array wrote:

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I agree with you all. I mean little as in under 10. Im actually just a few years above 10 and I am deeply passionate about the hobby.

Hoooo boy. This explains so, so very much.

+1

I am just a geek and I hate seeing kids without respect for the hobby. They are always ruining models at the LA Bunker on sundays.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I agree with you all. I mean little as in under 10. Im actually just a few years above 10 and I am deeply passionate about the hobby.

Little over 10 hey... troll senses tingling, clicks on profile
Occupation: Wargaming Inquisition, Quantum Physics, Architect
What do you know, a troll.

I like little kids




Now seriously I don't like little kids playing games that I do. They have childish attitude but the main problem is that they do not know what they are doing and are quite annoying. I think that 40K is not a game for them. They will be corrupted by chaos because they are easily influenced/tainted.

It all depends on the player-not the age. I'm in my twenties and some of my closest warhammer friends just graduated high school. Other friends are grandparents. Passion and maturity make for the gamer, not age. I also know a 12 year old who, at the age of ten, painted better than I could ever hope to-and I'm a good painter (second best in my group). My 40 year old friend's son plays the game, and he's 12-very mature. He doesn't like hanging out with kids his age, he likes gaming with his dad and his dad's buddies. We treat him like an equal, because he acts like it (or maybe we're as immature as a 12 year old-a very likely possibility). Message in all this is "don't generalize."

I started this hobby when i was 9. It might have been a little harder for me to grasp some concepts in the beginning, but i was in no way immature about it. Im 15 now.
It does bug me however when i see players start the hobby because they think its cool, not thinking about how theyre going to get their figures painted or even built, and try to play games even though they dont know wprd one on how to play.

At the one tournament I had issues with, I had problems with a little kid and someone my age. Age seems to be no issue - idiots are just idiots. There was another kid there, for example, with his Vostyron Imperial Guard Army that looked excellent, and I'd seen him paint bits of it. He was a really fun person to play, and was less than impressed when he ended up facing whining kid who I had trouble with. I kept having to pop over to clarify rules he'd gotten 'wrong'.

Jon Garrett wrote:Age seems to be no issue - idiots are just idiots.

That is also true.

I started at age 9 too, there's no problem as long as the kid is mature and not the demented ADHD type.

I was mostly quiet and only a little bit annoying for the most part. "Don't bother the adults" is something that most of them figure out.

If they are old enough to cope with losing without throwing a tantrum (used to be quite common in my club with 4 of the members) and can understand the interrelationships of the codices and rules, they can play.

If not, they can go back to their pokemons and dragonballs.


I started 40kays when I was 18/19 - I didn't play boardgames as a 'little kid'. The people I started gaming with were also 18-19. I have tried to play against 'little kids' and between the attention lapses, tantrums and general low boredom threshhold, it didn't end well, and I try not to do it anymore (and I know full well that there are 'grown ups' with the same issues, and I try not to play against them, either). All of my gaming nowadays is played against people who at least can act as adults.

It's not that I don't like kids - I just don't know how to deal with them. I also have no experience at dealing with little brothers who wanted to do the same thing as me (never happened).

Personally, 'little' kids can do what the hell they like in regards to the uptake of the hobby.

I prefer not to play against kids myself, as I like to have a good heft of banter when I play games, and when you are playing kids you kind of have to kerb your tongue a little and can't really have the same kind of conversation you can have with people of a similar age (I remember one convo at FLGW on vet's night where we discussed performance enhancing condoms and making a HPA out of a fleshlight, couldn't have done that with under 16s in the room). With under 16s involved you have to be all serious and mature. Although saying that, I would rather play a 10 year old who knows the rules (i.e. no 'on a d6 I win'/'I'm a space marine so I only die if I'm hit by S10' type shenanigans) and is capable of losing with grace than someone my age that is a complete tit.

As far as grasp and enthusiasm, I can agree that there are kids out there that are more decent hobbyists than some adults, and more rounded and tolerable humans to boot, but as long as you're not a complete moron age is largely irrelevant in the hobby.

My little brother has been playing since he was 8. He does well and all and I dont mind playing him because it he takes it seriously. He is now 13 and does very well. At my local FLGS this past weekend out of 32 people he took 6th with a Chaos army. (I got 4th and beat him in the last round lol) People dont mind playing him there either. Actually hes well liked by the veterans at that shop. From what I've experianced playing with "kids" it almost usually has to do with how the kids maturiaty level is when you play them. Age doesnt matter but he player does.

chromedog wrote:If they are old enough to cope with losing without throwing a tantrum

at my LGS there is an 18 year-old that does that.
In our Necro campaign we had a dungeon crawl event and he lost his leader. Then I had a gang fight with him. His lack of tactics saw his gang bottle on turn 3/4 and one ganger died another got captured. Then for the rest of the evening he was grouchy and sulky and b***hing about to any one would go within 10 feet of him.
I've seen stropy ten year olds take a defeat better.

chromedog wrote:If they are old enough to cope with losing without throwing a tantrum (used to be quite common in my club with 4 of the members) and can understand the interrelationships of the codices and rules, they can play.

If not, they can go back to their pokemons and dragonballs.

Lol dont hate on Pokemon. Best card game ever! At my local FLGS some of us recently pulled out our pokemon cards from way back in the day and played. It was simply, awesome!

I'll hate on pokemon if I choose to, thank ye very much.

Too kawaii for words and too kawaii to live.

"gotta get 'em all" might be GW's raison d'etre but it was an evil mantra, and encouraged ocd behaviour.

chromedog wrote:I'll hate on pokemon if I choose to, thank ye very much.

Too kawaii for words and too kawaii to live.

"gotta get 'em all" might be GW's raison d'etre but it was an evil mantra, and encouraged ocd behaviour.

Hahaha I guess. No offence but did you ever play Pokemon? It was actually a really good system for a card game lol. Just saying.

Spartan 117 wrote:

chromedog wrote:If they are old enough to cope with losing without throwing a tantrum (used to be quite common in my club with 4 of the members) and can understand the interrelationships of the codices and rules, they can play.

If not, they can go back to their pokemons and dragonballs.

Lol dont hate on Pokemon. Best card game ever! At my local FLGS some of us recently pulled out our pokemon cards from way back in the day and played. It was simply, awesome!

Pokemon sort of sucks now because its not a trading card game anymore, seei g as you can just buy any card you want in a special deck, rather than trading or buying packs for it. But yes, in its golden age it was pretty great.

Ya Pokemons system sucks now. But the actual game is still great. Probably one of the best card games ever invented. Actual game play wise. And it definitely still is. The haters are definitely going to hate lmfao

Being 15, I can say this kind of offends me. Someone's age, especially before adulthood, is a horrible way to judge how people act at a certain age, because everybody grows and matures at different rates and times. So telling me to go back to my pokemon and dragonballs sounds more immature than I ever act, and let's be honest, everyone on this thread is most likely below the age of 17. So to any adults (I think they are few) who are actually immature enough to hate kids playing the same game, I reserve both of my middle fingers. Kids are the future of the hobby.

And about the passion thing, OP, I totally disagree.


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Spartan 117 wrote:Ya Pokemons system sucks now. But the actual game is still great. Probably one of the best card games ever invented. Actual game play wise. And it definitely still is. The haters are definitely going to hate lmfao

Magic The Gathering. For Men .

As a "little kid" I don't find this offensive at all. I know we can be annoying some times, but we're learning. It's not our fault that we haven't been playing as long as others.

Although I myself find it annoying when 2 people who appear to be toddlers walk in with there identical Ultramarine armies lead by Marneus Calgar and his landraider.

I was 7 when I got space marine for my brithday my brother who was 10 helped me out with the rules and it ent on from there with my brother getting 40k a few weeks later. Prior to this we would have games of space crusade as a family, no cludo for us lol

I have no problem with little kids WHAT SO EVER.

I dont care how old you are, I do have a problem with the following:

- Immaturity
- Lack of rules knowledge to the point of creating rules / cheating (I have no problems with teaching a self admitted newb, but you get the picture)
- Childishness
- Lack of sportsmanship, including but not limited to not being able to take a defeat. OR on that note, take a win like a gentlemen.

infinite_array wrote:Hang on a second. You're saying you're, what, 12? 13? And you're already at the stage at which you're saying 'Ergh, these little kids are ruining the game'?

Does anyone on Dakka have a major in psychology? This is some deep stuff here. Thesis-paper level.

There's nothing unusual there. Labelling anyone younger as a 'little kid' is fairly standard teenage behaviour.

insaniak wrote:

infinite_array wrote:Hang on a second. You're saying you're, what, 12? 13? And you're already at the stage at which you're saying 'Ergh, these little kids are ruining the game'?

Does anyone on Dakka have a major in psychology? This is some deep stuff here. Thesis-paper level.

There's nothing unusual there. Labelling anyone younger as a 'little kid' is fairly standard teenage behaviour.

True.

Holy fething gak.

I feel old. Real old. Hell, I have *dice* older than most of you...

I dont mind them, until they run around the table your playing at and knock your fragile scratchbuilt ork something or other off the table.

but if they want to get into the hobby i dont mind

I's rather play some 10yr old who only wants fun instead of some spotty greasy haired trenchcoat wearing mettalica loving freak of nature who cheats, lies, powergames and rules lawyers while insisting being 20yrs old makes them so experienced nobody can beat them

I admit I'm torn.

I have no issue at all with kids per se - as has been pointed out, age and immaturity can and surprisingly often are unrelated to each other. I've experienced this in P&P first-hand. In addition to this, they're the "next generation" and as such the future of the hobby, keeping the game alive. So ... as long as whoever I'm playing with "fits the bill" and makes it a fun game, why the warp not!

On the other hand, I have a feeling that GW has shifted its focus towards younger players in a way that it ends up having an effect on the style of the game. You know ... an even stronger Marine hype than we had before, miniatures being made to look more "family-friendly", etc. All just little things, but they add up, and for some reason they make me nervous about said future mentioned earlier. Or I'm just paranoid about keeping mah grimdark - the changes mentioned earlier could just as well be merely the result of staff changes amongst the designers...

So I should probably adjust my statement - I absolutely don't mind kids, but I mind the company moving closer towards them and away from people like me. The funny thing is that many of these kids probably do not even appreciate this approach, for they'd have gotten into the hobby exactly because 40k looks fairly mature and pulp. I'd not be surprised if many of them would feel the same way about these changes.

as long as they,or any other opponent for that matter,doesn't look at the cdex/BRB every time he shootsthe same unit with the same bs and guns,im fine.I don't expect them to learn it by heart as i do but,c'mon,at least make an effort to remember that SM move 6",s does every other SM from AoBR he has!stupid little brother.


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and i know this is major stereotyping and their only little but i prefer the better painted armies of vets.even if i lose i can say ,i lost to a vet. who had a beautiful army.instaed of i just creamed a 7 yr old and his ultramrines that have clearly been swiimming in a can of wall paint.

I would perfer gamers over 16, that way I can swear in front of them when my I roll for and not feel bad about it.

Deadshot wrote:as long as they,or any other opponent for that matter,doesn't look at the cdex/BRB every time he shootsthe same unit with the same bs and guns,im fine.I don't expect them to learn it by heart as i do but,c'mon,at least make an effort to remember that SM move 6",s does every other SM from AoBR he has!stupid little brother.


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and i know this is major stereotyping and their only little but i prefer the better painted armies of vets.even if i lose i can say ,i lost to a vet. who had a beautiful army.instaed of i just creamed a 7 yr old and his ultramrines that have clearly been swiimming in a can of wall paint.

is that a little bit selfish? You like playing against older players so you dont feel like you lost to a newb?

no.its just generally vets have better painted armies.

Deadshot wrote:no.its just generally vets have better painted armies.

Not really. Experience =/= painting well.

and vets are more of an enjoyable expiriance because they adapt quicker to the battle and is more of a challenge

That said, of course a 16 year old who has been playing for four years is more of a veteran than a 20 year old with a single year into the hobby.

im 14.i enjoy challenges.i regard vets as anyone who has 5 yrs under his belya nd sdoesnt play nilla marines because he got AoBR

For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

I'll play you no matter what age you are, but you'd best make a reasonable impression. There are several people I have chalked up as "immature" due to what i've witnessed in my own games and other peoples. These include people who:

- Kill a tough unit and proceed to loudly shout and/or run around the room proclaiming what happened as gleefully as possible without any consideration for their opponent; this boasting lasts for several minutes, during which time it's brought up just about every other minute. If there was ever an example of a sore winner, this would be it.

- Have the attention span of an overactive puppy with alzheimers. Just because it's my turn or i'm rolling, doesn't mean you can start an in-depth conversation with your back turned, or wander off and pester somebody or gloat AGAIN.

More often than not, any rolls I make during this time (since the last second I looked, they were still concentrating on the game) are demanded to be re-rolled by my opponent when I manage to get his attention, and/or his friends. This is why I prefer having spectators or a trusted member to watch the game, so they can tell me if my opponent has buggered off during the roll, or they can grab his attention for me, or back up my rolls.

- Have sod all knowledge about their own army and its rules and/or the rules of the system.

- Demand to be shown evidence of every rule and weapon I use the first time I use it, but turn down the opportunity to leaf through my codex/army book whenever I show him. If it was one or two rules, or he asked to see the book beforehand, then it's fine, but asking about every-fethng-thing without even showing an interest other than the will to inconvenience me just gets annoying.

Admittedly, the last one has happened once, the first one three times, the second too many times to count, and the third twice, the majority of them were kids i've never seen again, and hope I don't, but a few were people i'd come to respect and even believe were mature.

Luke_Prowler wrote:For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Do you like little kids playing warhammer 40k? I don't. I think they are a bit too immature and they don't have a passion for the hobby. What do you think?

They gotta start somewhere. At least they're not into Yu-Gi-Oh... Why not be a big boy and hep to guide them, rather than be a TFG with disdain for everyone who isn't as committed as you are... and I'm sure someone may have said the same about you when you started,too.

Luke_Prowler wrote:For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

And it's really only how they act while playing. Once we're done, and they want to start doing childly things, more power to em.

Luke_Prowler wrote:For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

thats the large majority of players out the window then, the majority act like pathetic spoilt brats whos favourite hobby after GW games is throwing toys out of prams or being a drama queen

I don't mind kids playing 40k. I like it when youth partake in gaming activities. I think its healthy for them. Builds character and all that. I wish I played more of these games when I was younger. As it stands now I feel kind of embarrassed at my age for still being involved with this stuff... just a hang up I have.

Stella Cadente wrote:

Luke_Prowler wrote:For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

thats the large majority of players out the window then, the majority act like pathetic spoilt brats whos favourite hobby after GW games is throwing toys out of prams or being a drama queen

The same could be said about any hobby/fandom ever.

Avatar 720 wrote:- Have sod all knowledge about their own army and its rules and/or the rules of the system.
.

at my LGS there is guy who has to every thing in the codex. Basic stuff like the strength and AP of a Bolter.
Having played the hobby for 3-4 years he was genuinly shocked to see loyalist marines were the same str and toughness as CSM

I don't mind them playing the game either.

The kids that start playing today are the next generation of hobbyist, designers and authours. They start when it's all cool, new and fun, and may one day develop into a true passion with a deep understanding of the game as it grows as they grow.

I don't play against them (I only play at home against a few different people in social, friendly games) but at the GW stores, even the youngest little tykes are polite and excited. Though I have to admit, I've stepped on them more than once when the store's been crowded... :S

I dont mind them. As long as they are mature and know the rules when we play the game.

As long as the backwards little squirts keep their grubby hands off of my models, sure why not.

I think younger kids should be able to play if they want to. I started off playing 3rd edition with eldar when I was 9. I could barely see over the table but I had a hell of a time killing the few units I could. Someone at my local gaming store had bought a little bit and gave it too me. I've gathered most of my eldar through buying small armies off of people. Its much cheaper. As long as they can keep interest in the game and know the rules for a smooth game its no problem with me.

Stella Cadente wrote:

Luke_Prowler wrote:For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

thats the large majority of players out the window then, the majority act like pathetic spoilt brats whos favourite hobby after GW games is throwing toys out of prams or being a drama queen

Wow, I must play in one of the few groups you're not involved with then, since we don't know who you are and you've played with the majority of 40k players in the world.

How impressive it must be to be you.

DarknessEternal wrote:

Stella Cadente wrote:

Luke_Prowler wrote:For me it's not how old you are, but how old you act.

thats the large majority of players out the window then, the majority act like pathetic spoilt brats whos favourite hobby after GW games is throwing toys out of prams or being a drama queen

Wow, I must play in one of the few groups you're not involved with then, since we don't know who you are and you've played with the majority of 40k players in the world.

How impressive it must be to be you.

your sarcasm is amazing, truly it is

scarletsquig wrote:I started at age 9 too, there's no problem as long as the kid is mature and not the demented ADHD type.

I was mostly quiet and only a little bit annoying for the most part. "Don't bother the adults" is something that most of them figure out.

Yeah, after playing against a 9 year old last week with CSM where every time he moved, shot, or did anything he would go into some schizophrenic acting-out of fight scenes or whatever until he had to do something else, I come to agree with you.

I'm 15 and I consider myself mature enough. People are actually willing to play against me regularly so that must be a sign. I'm pretty dedicated to DE to the point where I've actually researched tactics and built a list that isn't entirely net list but is sort of based off of Dash's. I actually paint my things, too. You'd be surprised how few *people*, not just kids, actually paint their models at my FLGW.

I don't really mind playing against children but if you come up against me with an army that's literally a mish-mosh of Space Marines gak, know none of your rules and make pew pew noises the whole time I'm just packing my things and playing someone else.

I dont mind them but I do consider myself a younger player as well. Im only 13 for gods sakes. But the thing is a lot of the veteran players like playing with me because I take the game seriously and I know my rules a lot better then some of the older kids and younger kids at my FLGS. I dont complain and pout when I lose. Its a game for gods sake.

Also just want to put it out there though I took 6th in a tournament of 32 last weekend with Chaos and I was the youngest player there! Lol

This is just a terrible question imho. I can definitely understand why somebody wouldn't want to play with little kids.
But having some kind of problem with kids playing plastic toy soldiers is just puzzling.
Even if they can't appreciate hobby like you do, so what? Among others, main rule of wh40k, having a hobby, socializing with other people is to have fun. If they are having fun while not hurting anybody then everything should be OK. That "You are not having fun the proper way! Stop having fun guys!" mentality is just stupid.

Macok wrote:This is just a terrible question imho. I can definitely understand why somebody wouldn't want to play with little kids.
But having some kind of problem with kids playing plastic toy soldiers is just puzzling.
Even if they can't appreciate hobby like you do, so what? Among others, main rule of wh40k, having a hobby, socializing with other people is to have fun. If they are having fun while not hurting anybody then everything should be OK. That "You are not having fun the proper way! Stop having fun guys!" mentality is just stupid.

The question wouldn't be asked at all if there weren't tons and tons of immature little buggers that give all the mature kids a bad name.

I have had grown men (40-50) scream and throw a fit that someone wasn't playing fair even though he had not played since 3rd. And I have had some play very well. The opposite is also true I know one kid who is 14 who cries alot if stuff goes bad for him and I know a 10 year old who plays very well and is fun to play against. So I don't think that the age has anything to do with it. It is more the maturity of the player and how much the player enjoys the game and not neccessarily winning.

Mr. Self Destruct wrote:The question wouldn't be asked at all if there weren't tons and tons of immature little buggers that give all the mature kids a bad name.

Immature little buggers can annoy you no matter what they do.
But I don't think that is what the OP asked. Question: "are you annoyed by annoying kids" is kinda redundant

Being annoyed by them only because they play wh40k is not cool imho. You need to get off your high horse and accept that new generations can also enjoy what you enjoy. Don't be old grandpa feeding birds in the park and curse young ones under your nose. That's just silly.

I just don't like them for the fact that Gw is going to make the next edition not as good and more suitable for younger ages. Like pokemon or Lego

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I just don't like them for the fact that Gw is going to make the next edition not as good and more suitable for younger ages. Like pokemon or Lego

Do I sense jealousy?

In general, I don't like kids at all. But I especially don't like playing Warhammer with them. By "kids" I mean people under the age of 15 or so. Of course, there are some exceptions and I've played against some kids who were good opponents, but for the most part.... I want nothing to do with them. To be fair, I've... actually been fairly lucky and can't remember the last time I played against an immature adult. Still, I know they're out there and I wouldn't want to play against them either.

Queue people saying "You're a jerk" blah blah blah. Yeah. I know. Sorry. Still don't like kids. I recognize that they need to get kids sucked into the game for it to exist and grow. I recognize that someday these kids will (hopefully) be adult gamers. I still would rather not play against the vast majority of them. Perhaps that's my loss.

Basically, I don't think my problem is not liking kids playing 40K, my problem is not liking kids. With all that said, I'm not saying they shouldn't play 40K. By all means, go for it, and I know lots (perhaps most) people will play against kids. Heck, I'll play against kids, and I'll do it politely, I just generally do not enjoy it.

Also lol @ the OP. In this thread: "Kids calling kids kids".

I just realized that, not only do I own dice older than half the people posting in this thread... I have a collection of Dungeons & Dragons (red box set) character sheets that are twice as old as some of the people posting in this thread.

There's nothing wrong with kids playing the game... but, holy hells, do I feel old...

For me, it's a double edged blade. My sister is ten and is building an army; she is polite to strangers and wants to put an effort into understanding the game before playing. On the other hand, there is a kid only a few years older than my sister at my local GW who plays a list that is blatantly wrong, gloats at every success and believes himself invincible. I encourage kids to play, but like children, some are nice and others not so much.

Psienesis wrote:I just realized that, not only do I own dice older than half the people posting in this thread... I have a collection of Dungeons & Dragons (red box set) character sheets that are twice as old as some of the people posting in this thread.

There's nothing wrong with kids playing the game... but, holy hells, do I feel old...

Same here.

I have models in my collection (that i bought whe dinosaurs still roamed the earth ) that are older than most of my opponents.

I have an ambull in there somewhere i think. No-one these days seems to know what an ambull is/was

I think i still have a few old WHFB Norscans in the crate too, and Ghazgkull the pre-mega armour version (tiny )

I feel old

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I just don't like them for the fact that Gw is going to make the next edition not as good and more suitable for younger ages. Like pokemon or Lego

Ah, the cycle begins anew with the next generation.

so long as they understand the rules i dont have a problem, heck i got my ass handed to me in a tourney by a 13 year old playing as foot slog tau, nd in the same tourney i had a guy pack up his models and leave when i rolled to be the defender in king of the hill with my foot slog guard whilst he was mech dar

the hobby isnt designed for pre 16's as it has complex rules, but some of the craftiest players are the little beardless stunties

Fairfeldia wrote:
the hobby isnt designed for pre 16's as it has complex rules, but some of the craftiest players are the little beardless stunties

Oh, is that why the recommended age for Assault on Black Reach is 12 and up?

oh, is that why the you make da call page is full of flame wars becasue NOBODY on dakka fully understands every rule

Fairfeldia wrote:oh, is that why the you make da call page is full of flame wars becasue NOBODY on dakka fully understands every rule

Are you suggesting that every flame war on that subforum is due to people younger than the age of 16 not being able to grasp the rules of 40k?

no im suggesting that that subforum is full of people between the ages of 3 and 112 are causing flame wars because we all have personal interpretations

Fairfeldia wrote:no im suggesting that that subforum is full of people between the ages of 3 and 112 are causing flame wars because we all have personal interpretations

But what does that have to do with "the hobby being too complex for under-16s?"

age is a point of contention that is really irrelivant if you think about it.

what matters is your grasp of the game, your ability and desire to learn, and your sportsmanship.

9 or 90, if you're a fun opponent, i'll game with you.

i'm 30, and having played against grown men my age who acted out worse in public than my 5 year old daughter.

gaming with young kids in person isn't as bad as xbox gaming or (not directed at you) forums.

I actually really dislike dealing with younger individuals on most forums. (this is not my only one trust me)

Dakka interestingly enough, is not nearly as bad with younger players being immature. we're all immature LOL.

it should be 12+ as that is the age the are generally competent at building and paintng.as i said i dont mind kids as long as they knowe the stuff and don't say a marine dipped in Homebase's range of blue wall paint is an Ultramarine im good

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Do you like little kids playing warhammer 40k? I don't...

I don't either. It's not just 40k, generally I don't like other peoples children anywhere I go.

Augustus wrote:

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Do you like little kids playing warhammer 40k? I don't...

I don't either. It's not just 40k, generally I don't like other peoples children anywhere I go.

I am okay with children generally....but when you mix that with a hobby you have a passion for, complex rules, and paint, I prefer to be isolated from chaos.

Nerivant wrote:

Fairfeldia wrote:no im suggesting that that subforum is full of people between the ages of 3 and 112 are causing flame wars because we all have personal interpretations

But what does that have to do with "the hobby being too complex for under-16s?"

The aobr set does say for 12 years old and up, however, i think thats due to the fact that it has some small pieces, and the general consensus is that you dont want anyone remotely young around very small pieces.
So i dont think that it hqs much to do with comprehension of the game, especially because aobr is much simpler than the actual game.
However, as already mention, a bunch of people here mentioned that they statrted at age 8, 9, and 10 or so on, and more than half this thread is under 16 year olds. So i domt think age has much to do with comprehension of the game, especially because its been proven that its easier to learn at a young age then when youre older.

Commissar Typhus wrote:I would perfer gamers over 16, that way I can swear in front of them when my I roll for and not feel bad about it.

Dude I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush. That said I'm fine with playing them, yeah most under 15 year old gamers have poorly painted armies, and they are easy opponents because thier lack of high end tanks/cheese knowledge/experience/etc. However, they learn, and outside of school, generally have all the time in the world to devote to getting better. The other thing is wheter you like it or not you were a kid once, so remember what it was like when older people looked down on you.

And no that doesn't mean kick them in the shin, and call them old. I started this game when I was 14-15 years old so I grew up with the hobby. I'm 25 now.

KingmanHighborn wrote:I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush.

i happen to be one of them.not one thet you've met but,you should here the words coming outta my mouth when my mum brings my clean laundry up to be put away

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I will say that, older than dirt I may be, but if I was at a tourny at my FLGS and some kid kicked me in the shin and called me old, I'd slap the taste out their mouths and then beat them with my pimp-stick.

Don't you dare call it a cane... it's a pimp-stick.

What I don't like is someone who walks away when its not their turn...

or someone who has to cheer and yell out to others when his 20 SW own 9 pathfinders...

or someone who sulks on turn 2 because his axesome Du4e got instakilled...

or someone who insists that all attacks against a dreadnought auto hit since its a vehicle...

Those tend to be younger kids... but its not because they're young that they're poor opponents it because many of them lack the courtesy and life experience to understand why certain behaviors aren't welcomed by other gamers.

I'd never turn down a game based on age... but I might be less thrilled to play some "kids" than others, due to childish behavior.

I don't mind some cheering, as I'm excitable myself sometimes, though I tend to cheer my models doing something rather then anything I actually did. Granted I don't gloat, but I do cheer when 3 Nid' Ripper bases hold up and pull down a warboss AND his nob bodyguards. Or other similar underdog scenarios.

im absolutely fine to play little kids. as long as they are actually decent

by decent i mean capable of understanding the rules. their own rules and the game systems rules. i personally am almost 14 but im happy playing gamers of any age. as long as they don't talk snobbery to me (generally older players). if they do i generally hand thier ass to them. in my gaming store im known as "the necron player". one other kid plays necrons (very rarely) and one of the managers does as well. most of the time i hand almost everybodies asses to them. now im on a losing streak unfortunately...

but back on-topic as long as they understand the rules im happy. i've refused to only ever play 2 people.
1 is about 8-9. i dont play him because he doesn't know how to play. in one game i anhilliated his entire army (only AOBR box worth) with a shot from a super-heavy. but guess what he goes and does... he says, and these were pretty much his exact words "my marines aren't dead! there super space marines! with a massive force shield that protects them from anything!". he then proceeds to, instead of removing them from the table, move them to the other side of the board and continue playing. i had to get a staff member to convince him that they were dead.
the other person i refuse to play is just a total snob. around 30, and says he plays most armies. he uses 3 codexs in 1 army (imperial guard, death korps of krieg and vostroyan). and picks and chooses what to use from which. he claims rules that don't exist. especially about my own army. i tell him time and again he was wrong but he still goes and makes sure its not in the FAQ, even though its in the codex he thinks hes read it in the FAQ. the other thing is hes was carrying an out-of-date FAQ. he couldn't even find it in there, and by the time hes finished looking ive checked the codex, FAQ and rulebook for this rule. suffice to say i still beat him. though only just.

occasionally people don't like to play against me because i take advantage of almost every single rule. thats because ive essentially memorised the rules. occasionally ill act a little immature, generally when ive gotten a really lucky kill thats won me the game or made it much easier, or some incredible streaks of rolling that have bought almost my entire army back to life (had a few models left from a devastating round of firestorm, than bought all of them back but 1 or 2) but the majority of the time i won't.

im also very annoyed at people who walk away on their turn. and by the time ive come back ive fired a weapon and am waiting for him to take his saves, and then they go and complain i didn't tell them whats shooting. i did but they weren't paying attention.


anyway /rant.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:I agree with you all. I mean little as in under 10. Im actually just a few years above 10 and I am deeply passionate about the hobby.

I'd just like to point out that the OP is really being a bit hypocritical about "little kids" as shown in the bolded text, he's actually what most gamers would consider a "little kid".

VI th legion wrote: I'd just like to point out that the OP is really being a bit hypocritical about "little kids" as shown in the bolded text, he's actually what most gamers would consider a "little kid".

Again, that's not being hypocritical. It's being a teenager.

Pretty much every kid over the age of 3 sees anyone younger as 'little kids'...

Sabet wrote:occasionally people don't like to play against me because i take advantage of almost every single rule. thats because ive essentially memorised the rules. occasionally ill act a little immature, generally when ive gotten a really lucky kill thats won me the game or made it much easier, or some incredible streaks of rolling that have bought almost my entire army back to life (had a few models left from a devastating round of firestorm, than bought all of them back but 1 or 2) but the majority of the time i won't.

iam the same,14 with 99% of the rules in my noggin'.i also take advantage of every rule to get the victory.why should i not?

such as

a campaign game i played,where my team win by default if its a draw.

the guy i was annihilating only basically had Abbadon left on turn 6. ther were 2 objectives,i controlled niether
he insisted that abbadon can capture it because my tac squad were far away.you see my point.i would have won because by default i win if its a draw and no one controlled the objectives

after argueing and the involvement of a staff member,he agreed to go to kill pointsd

he had abbadon,an immobilised,cannonless chaos vindicator and a 3 man possessed squad that had deep striked(mission special rule)and sat,since turn 2! left out of a 2500pts army

i had lost
a five man combat squad
a dread
a pred
a rhino with 2 marines passengers.


i still had
Calgar
Draigo
a storm raven
a rhino
a five man tac squad,the other half of the destroyed one
a five man tac squad combat squad
the other 3 marnies of that sdquad seperate
a vindicator
a vindicare assassin


and yes it was using allied grey knights and BA SR in one list

campaign rules let you



granted he was 14ish and not a little kid

So I should preface this, that at 41 years old I *know* this is immature and not the best way to deal with this, but being from Camden, New Jersey, we don't have nicer ways of dealing with things!

Whenever I play younger dudes, say 15-17, I always put a ball peen hammer on my side of the table, on the far right. When they ask what it's for, my response is "every time you act like a rules lawyer and belittle or demean me for not knowing all of the new rules, or if you whine and pout, I take that hammer and smash a model of yours that is on the board."

100% of the time it works and we have fun playing a *game*. Getting my butt kicked is something that I actually enjoy in the game, to really know success you have to know failure. And learning what not to do is still learning, so it doesn't bother me in the least to lose to a good player, regardless of his or her age. And the rules have changed greatly since 2nd edition, and I let my opponents know this. So as long as they aren't demeaning, it's never an issue.''

I stopped playing in 1995, so it's literally a "I stopped playing this game before you were even born, kid." type of thing.

Depends of the kid.

Kirigakure wrote:So I should preface this, that at 41 years old I *know* this is immature and not the best way to deal with this, but being from Camden, New Jersey, we don't have nicer ways of dealing with things!

Whenever I play younger dudes, say 15-17, I always put a ball peen hammer on my side of the table, on the far right. When they ask what it's for, my response is "every time you act like a rules lawyer and belittle or demean me for not knowing all of the new rules, or if you whine and pout, I take that hammer and smash a model of yours that is on the board."

100% of the time it works and we have fun playing a *game*. Getting my butt kicked is something that I actually enjoy in the game, to really know success you have to know failure. And learning what not to do is still learning, so it doesn't bother me in the least to lose to a good player, regardless of his or her age. And the rules have changed greatly since 2nd edition, and I let my opponents know this. So as long as they aren't demeaning, it's never an issue.''

I stopped playing in 1995, so it's literally a "I stopped playing this game before you were even born, kid." type of thing.

This post goes to show that some people are childish no matter what their age....

You were a kid once you know let them play it. everyone had a hobby when they were younger, so why should it be any different for the kids of today to have a hobby that they enjoy

nectarprime wrote:This post goes to show that some people are childish no matter what their age....

Not really necessary to refer to me as "childish", you must be one of those who've been on the receiving end of a lesson in manners no doubt. Most of the time, an ill-mannered child points directly to an ill-mannered parent. There are times when society has to step in where parents obviously haven't, and in the case of teenaged rules lawyers who have to demean others instead of effectively communicate, well you get the picture. How many times have you invested hours into a game, only to be rudely badgered by a teenaged know-it-all right towards the end? Yeah sure, you can say "look kid, don't talk to me that way. This game is over.", but after a few dozen times it gets frustrating. Sure, you could give the kid what he really needs - a smack across the face, but really, that complicates the situation now doesn't it? So you drop the hammer and instantly the whining ceases.

I have no problem with kids playing the game, I just think they should play against people their own age. I started hanging out at game stores at 15, and it was a blast.

I am a 31 year old, and have a 3 year old son. I work in an elementary school as a Teacher's Assistant for behaviorally disordered kids (doing restraints and dealing with tantrums in addition to instruction). I have no desire to spend my free time hanging out with anyone younger than 20, believe me.

Also, I just don't think it's that good for little kids (13 and younger) to be hanging out with 30-40 year olds all the time. I've seen some examples of this, and the adults usually aren't that nice to the kid. And the kid just has to take it, because it's his parent's idea of babysitting.

Im 15and i hang out at my FLGS with all the 30+ fellows and i tell you a lot of gets thrown my way because of my age lol. I know that they respect me because of the fact that i school them most times (not trying to be boastfull). Its funny because i hear allot of you guys talking about not cussing with people under 16 at the shop, the guys at my shop would laugh so hard at that valour when im there its cuss after cuss lol and no one cares when i join in on the fun lol.

Kirigakure wrote:

nectarprime wrote:This post goes to show that some people are childish no matter what their age....

Not really necessary to refer to me as "childish", you must be one of those who've been on the receiving end of a lesson in manners no doubt. Most of the time, an ill-mannered child points directly to an ill-mannered parent. There are times when society has to step in where parents obviously haven't, and in the case of teenaged rules lawyers who have to demean others instead of effectively communicate, well you get the picture. How many times have you invested hours into a game, only to be rudely badgered by a teenaged know-it-all right towards the end? Yeah sure, you can say "look kid, don't talk to me that way. This game is over.", but after a few dozen times it gets frustrating. Sure, you could give the kid what he really needs - a smack across the face, but really, that complicates the situation now doesn't it? So you drop the hammer and instantly the whining ceases.

So you, a grown man, would smash a child's toy to show him a "lesson"? The only lesson he will learn is that some people are jerks.

Your tough guy mentality is pretty funny

Furthermore, I'm sure you would get kicked out of a store, and maybe punched in the face by an angry father.

Im 14 and you will probably see me as a little kid

So, no problem.
As long as they dont make up that they have chaos tyranids that are hunted by Orks because they have something the Orkses like (read: the golden throne)

questions would go as follows if the "little kid" is under 16 ( i ask the same 2 questions to all players though if i have never played them so really it isn't age discrimination at all)

"do you know the rules?"
"did you bring your codex?"

if the answer is yes to both then let's play.

if the answer is no to the first but yes to the second then lets play and make it a demo game inviting another person to play my orks and we'll teach you both

if both are no's then sorry unless you are playing an army that I have a codex to or have your list on army builder i just don't think you'll rememebr everythign about your units but ask you not take it personal as i hold everybody by those two questions anyway

nectarprime wrote:So you, a grown man, would smash a child's toy to show him a "lesson"? The only lesson he will learn is that some people are jerks.

Your tough guy mentality is pretty funny

Furthermore, I'm sure you would get kicked out of a store, and maybe punched in the face by an angry father.

Would smash a toy? Have done it, but only twice. Only because the rest of the store was full of people probably much like yourself - gutless and unable to get a message across. In that particular case, the kid (a 16 year old boy) was so embarrassed that he told me he deserved it, and everybody applauded and he hasn't been the same since. In the other instance, indeed a parent confronted me, he was standing right there when I did it. And he laughed and told his son, "that's what you get for being a jerk!".

It's not a "tough guy mentality", and most of the time it's done in a humorous way with both of us laughing. Just like when I stop a game and demand my opponent roll a deodorant test else forfeit the turn (smelly fat guys must roll a 3 or under to pass on a D6, else go find deodorant in order to continue the game).

I've never been kicked out of a store, and would *gladly* love to have a father attempt to punch me in the face due to his offspring's lack of manners.

Kirigakure wrote:

nectarprime wrote:So you, a grown man, would smash a child's toy to show him a "lesson"? The only lesson he will learn is that some people are jerks.

Your tough guy mentality is pretty funny

Furthermore, I'm sure you would get kicked out of a store, and maybe punched in the face by an angry father.

Would smash a toy? Have done it, but only twice. Only because the rest of the store was full of people probably much like yourself - gutless and unable to get a message across. In that particular case, the kid (a 16 year old boy) was so embarrassed that he told me he deserved it, and everybody applauded and he hasn't been the same since. In the other instance, indeed a parent confronted me, he was standing right there when I did it. And he laughed and told his son, "that's what you get for being a jerk!".

It's not a "tough guy mentality", and most of the time it's done in a humorous way with both of us laughing. Just like when I stop a game and demand my opponent roll a deodorant test else forfeit the turn (smelly fat guys must roll a 3 or under to pass on a D6, else go find deodorant in order to continue the game).

I've never been kicked out of a store, and would *gladly* love to have a father attempt to punch me in the face due to his offspring's lack of manners.

I'm gutless because I disagree with your method? Interesting conclusion you have.

Ah, I missed that you were from Jersey. It all makes sense now

You're probably gutless for a host of additional reasons too, but in this instance it's for the tough talk from behind a keyboard.

Glad it makes sense to you now, you apparently know that South Jersey has a proven method of dealing with idiots and immature gamers.

Kirigakure wrote:You're probably gutless for a host of additional reasons too, but in this instance it's for the tough talk from behind a keyboard.

Glad it makes sense to you now, you apparently know that South Jersey has a proven method of dealing with idiots and immature gamers.

How is this tough talk? You're the one talking about getting physical with children over a game.

Welcome to my ignore list tough guy. Do you feel macho bro?

Whoa!

Everyone please remember that this site is governed by rules - there's a link in my signature to them.

Public warning now issued!

It is now time to settle down and STOP insulting each other.

G00fySmiley wrote:questions would go as follows if the "little kid" is under 16 ( i ask the same 2 questions to all players though if i have never played them so really it isn't age discrimination at all)

"do you know the rules?"
"did you bring your codex?"

if the answer is yes to both then let's play.

if the answer is no to the first but yes to the second then lets play and make it a demo game inviting another person to play my orks and we'll teach you both

if both are no's then sorry unless you are playing an army that I have a codex to or have your list on army builder i just don't think you'll rememebr everythign about your units but ask you not take it personal as i hold everybody by those two questions anyway

I do the same exact thing. i have a very good comprehension of the rules. I've been playing since I was a wee lad back in 3rd Edtition and had gotten schooled so many times by the elder players that I always played against at my FLGS. Because of that Im super good at the rules and such compared to others I've played.

Basically, I break down ages like this (not just for 40k, but for any video/board/card/tabletop game):

21 and older: This is my preferred opponent. Mainly because we'll have things to chat about while playing. Plus, you can go out for a beer afterwards and talk about your war stories.

15-21: I have no problem at all playing someone in this age range. I expect them to obey the rules 100%, and I won't be going easy on them.

10-14: I'll occasionally play against an opponent of this age. But, I go in knowing that they may have some made-up rule that they won't budge on, or simply be a very poor sportsman. I go easy on them and am patient in trying to explain rules.

6-9: I typically avoid these gamers. Sometimes, I'll play them. But, if I do, I don't even bother trying to play a real game. Just try and have fun (more for them than me). I'll play by the rules, but basically let them "bend" the rules. I'll try help them understand the rules, but getting them to understand every little thing is more hassle than it's worth. They'll get better at the rules as they get older. I also fully expect the game to end abruptly when their parent says its time to leave.

5 and under: I won't play a pickup game against these players. They need to be related to me, or a child of one of my friends. I've never seen someone this young play 40k. But, if playing a different game, I will go very easy on them. I won't break the rules to let them win, but I go out of my way to let them win. Of course, games for this age range are typically ones like Life, Candyland, War, or other ones where the players can't actually control the outcome.


And, of course, these are just generalizations. Plenty of individuals can easily bump up or down a category.

Grakmar wrote:Basically, I break down ages like this (not just for 40k, but for any video/board/card/tabletop game):

21 and older: This is my preferred opponent. Mainly because we'll have things to chat about while playing. Plus, you can go out for a beer afterwards and talk about your war stories.

15-21: I have no problem at all playing someone in this age range. I expect them to obey the rules 100%, and I won't be going easy on them.

10-14: I'll occasionally play against an opponent of this age. But, I go in knowing that they may have some made-up rule that they won't budge on, or simply be a very poor sportsman. I go easy on them and am patient in trying to explain rules.

6-9: I typically avoid these gamers. Sometimes, I'll play them. But, if I do, I don't even bother trying to play a real game. Just try and have fun (more for them than me). I'll play by the rules, but basically let them "bend" the rules. I'll try help them understand the rules, but getting them to understand every little thing is more hassle than it's worth. They'll get better at the rules as they get older. I also fully expect the game to end abruptly when their parent says its time to leave.

5 and under: I won't play a pickup game against these players. They need to be related to me, or a child of one of my friends. I've never seen someone this young play 40k. But, if playing a different game, I will go very easy on them. I won't break the rules to let them win, but I go out of my way to let them win. Of course, games for this age range are typically ones like Life, Candyland, War, or other ones where the players can't actually control the outcome.


And, of course, these are just generalizations. Plenty of individuals can easily bump up or down a category.

what i'm hearing is you will go out for a beer with the 15-20 croud...

but srsly pretty reasonable guidelines. the onyl reason I'll go lower in age is the store i play in is a gaming center in a mall so there's plenty of kids around curious about toy soldiers and the more they like it the more people will come in. I've shown a kid who couldn't be older than the 7th grade how to play and his two older brothers came the next week after he told em abotu it and one curious kid who thought orks looked mean and scary btu coool ended up getting my flgs at least another 4-5 customers (his brothers friends) and by extention got me more opponents

granted sometimes I'll teach somebody how to play and never see them again btu that is how things work

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KingmanHighborn wrote:I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush.

i happen to be one of them.not one thet you've met but,you should here the words coming outta my mouth when my mum brings my clean laundry up to be put away

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and this is something that you are proud of?

perhaps if you understand that its a problem, you should make a consorted effort to change it.... for the better. just my $.02


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G00fySmiley wrote:questions would go as follows if the "little kid" is under 16 ( i ask the same 2 questions to all players though if i have never played them so really it isn't age discrimination at all)

"do you know the rules?"
"did you bring your codex?"

if the answer is yes to both then let's play.

if the answer is no to the first but yes to the second then lets play and make it a demo game inviting another person to play my orks and we'll teach you both

if both are no's then sorry unless you are playing an army that I have a codex to or have your list on army builder i just don't think you'll rememebr everythign about your units but ask you not take it personal as i hold everybody by those two questions anyway

this is refreshing to hear. positive encouragement. keep our kids in hobbies!

little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

No,Its good for them to get into it.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

Mephiston I CHOOSE YOU!!!

Bib, I just explained why not!

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

Here's the thing... To most of the people posting here, you fit into the 'little kid' bracket yourself. Just as you see those under 10 as little kids, anyone in their 20s sees anyone under 20 as a kid. Anyone in their 40s sees anyone under 30 as a kid.

Age has nothing to do with whether or not they should be playing the game.



Incidentally, the assumption that pre-painted minis are the domain of young kids is a very common one... and very, very mistaken. Star Wars and D&D minis were aimed rather squarely at an adult market, as were Mechwarrior and Axis & Allies.

From my experience, pre-paints actually appeal more to the older set, who often don't have the time or the inclination to paint. Kids are generally happier to either just play with unpainted minis or spend a morning throwing paint on instead of playing.

Well thats not how I wan't GW to end up, and I don't think people call 5ft. 6in. very "little kiddish"

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Well thats not how I wan't GW to end up, and I don't think people call 5ft. 6in. very "little kiddish"

considering I am 6'6", I would.

the entire point was, age is relative to the person. its the situation that is important.

comparing particulars is a waste of time.

as stated above, do you know/understand the rules and do you have your codex, if yes, be a good sport and lets have some fun.

if no, then perhaps you need more time to read and ask questions maybe even observe a game with someone willing to answer questions that observation will not show you.

and if GW ends up with pre-painted mini's, actually i would be happy with that. its not going to stop the die hards from converting and painting. its just going to make it so that people who show up to events with naked and based miniatuires are a thing of the past.

I can see a cost increase to have them pre-painted, but I see a benefit there as well.

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:Well thats not how I wan't GW to end up,

And that's all well and good... but it's got nothing to do with an influx of kids. That's not a recent development... The gaming club that I played in for most of 2nd edition had a fairly large contingent of under 10 to 14-year olds playing, and a couple younger.

The idea that kids playing means the game turning into Pokemon is, frankly, a little over the top.

... and I don't think people call 5ft. 6in. very "little kiddish"

As a wise man once said, 'Size matters not'...

So it doesn't mean I am a "Little Kid"

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:So it doesn't mean I am a "Little Kid"

If you are still only a little over 10 then yes, yes it does.

Almost about 1180 days isn't very little either

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:So it doesn't mean I am a "Little Kid"

see that's just the thing. what are you trying to qualify as a little kid?

I am old enough to be your father. to ME, you ARE a little kid. that's just what it is.

I have played games against men old enough to be my grandfather. so to them, I am a little kid.

its a relative argument.

WHOOP, there it went, I just realized I am arguing semantics with an 11 year old.

with that realization, I have removed troll food from today's menu.

correct that, i'm not 11
0-1 Infant
1-2 Baby
2-4 Toddler
4-8 Little Kid
8-11 Kid
12 Pre-Teen
13-17 Teen
18-61 Adult
61-Beyond Senior

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:correct that, i'm not 11
0-1 Infant
1-2 Baby
2-4 Toddler
4-8 Little Kid
8-11 Kid
12 Pre-Teen
13-17 Teen
18-61 Adult
61-Beyond Senior

I'm going to propose an adjusted scale that I use on a day to day basis.

1-17: Child
18+: Grown Up Child
Someone who can shoulder responsibility and think outside themselves: Adult.

The chart is of an average behavior

no, the chart is a specific labeling of age groups.

seriously, you're 12 then is it?

just go enjoy being 12. you have all the rest of your life to try and be an adult. enjoy being a kid.

play warhammer, don't play warhammer, whatever.

you're still a 12 year old. stop arguing with the myriad of adults when you have asked for an opinion and you don't like it. thats why its called an opinion.

Nerivant wrote:I'm going to propose an adjusted scale that I use on a day to day basis.

1-17: Child
18+: Grown Up Child
Someone who can shoulder responsibility and think outside themselves: Adult.

I would go more with:
1-35-ish: Kids
36-ish+: Everyone else.

I would agree with the last part, though

For anyone who is currently in their 20's or early 30's, that's not intended as any sort of put-down. From teens through to your 30's, you tend to feel all grown up... it's only afterwards looking back that you realise just how much you weren't.

Heck, I'll probably hit 40 and look back at my 30's and think the same thing.

Whether you're 11, 12, or 16... hell, you could be as old as 20, I don't give a gak, you fall under my category that I call "You're, like, 12". I use this category for anyone under the age of 20 who wants anything.

Kid wants me to buy beer at 7-11 for him?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

20-year-old girl used a fake ID to get into the club and is flirting with me at the bar?
"You're, like, 12. Go away.

16 year old at the FLGS wants to get into a political discussion?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

Of course, if these same people walk up with a copy of Dark Heresy under their arm or a box of painted miniatures and want to "talk shop" about gaming, war-gaming, video games or whatever similar hobby-related topics? Sure, I'll spend all day talking to them. Of course, I'll probably forget what I'm talking about halfway through, but, well, that's life.

It doesn't matter. For those of us who are as old as your parents (and quite possibly older), the handful of years in the 12-20 spread are meaningless. To us, you're a kid. There's no shame in that, you're still young. Enjoy it while you can, because once it's gone, it's gone, and will never come again.

The fact that you're basically here, in this thread, stamping your foot and angrily declaring that you're not a little kid is.... well, let's call it "cute".

You're at the age where you are beginning the first steps in establishing your own identity, separate from your parents, as a part of your peer-group and as an individual. You don't want to be considered a child, but you're not yet an adult. We've all been there before.... or, for some of the other posters, they'll be there soon enough, too.

Before you know it, you'll be here on Dakka, sitting at home, shaking your pimp-stick in the air, ranting about these damned kids with their Pokemans and their DragonFall Deez, what with their DaemonPrince Primarchs and CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORTS, and, why, back in my day...

So it goes.

Those damn Pokemans.

nectarprime wrote:Those damn Pokemans.

Do you want to see mine?

coolyo294 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:Those damn Pokemans.

Do you want to see mine?

My little brother very nearly kicked my ass. He's six...

What kills me is when 7 year olds say that that play "Space Maweens" and paint their salamanders "Weel good."

Besides that, anything else is okay, as long as the player can not cry uncontrollably when they lose their captain (im a hippocrite!)

Dark Angels Champ-Master wrote:little kid, refers to 10 and under. I am not that old myself, almost into my teen years, but not very many little kid have the patience or anything, and if more youngsters join, GW will make stuff like machine painted models, next edition more suitable for younger ages, and the whole hobby will turn out like pokemon!

Again, you do realize who 40k is aimed at right?

To me, those guys who are 40+ and play either 40k or Fantasy are... strange, especially those who insist that the game's meant for adults. It's a kids game. I don't see how they could make the next edition more suitable for younger ages, unless you want a 500 page tome with big, pretty pictures.

Now, to those who hobby 40k or Fantasy - kudos to you guys. Seriously, the stuff the hobbyists make over on CoolMiniOrNot are mind-blowing.

Oh, and to whether or not you're a little kid, well...

Little kid is little.

Rimmy wrote:

Deadshot wrote:

KingmanHighborn wrote:I've seen some 14 year olds curse in such a way, that a USMC drill sergeant would blush.

i happen to be one of them.not one thet you've met but,you should here the words coming outta my mouth when my mum brings my clean laundry up to be put away

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and this is something that you are proud of?

perhaps if you understand that its a problem, you should make a consorted effort to change it.... for the better. just my $.02

I am not entirely* proud of it.I was just agreeing with Rimmy that most 14 yr olds,and even younger now swear because they hear their parnets doing it,and so pick up on it.

*I feel proud to stand up to my mum like that.If you had met my mum,you'd know why.

Psienesis wrote:Whether you're 11, 12, or 16... hell, you could be as old as 20, I don't give a gak, you fall under my category that I call "You're, like, 12". I use this category for anyone under the age of 20 who wants anything.

Kid wants me to buy beer at 7-11 for him?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

20-year-old girl used a fake ID to get into the club and is flirting with me at the bar?
"You're, like, 12. Go away.

16 year old at the FLGS wants to get into a political discussion?
"You're, like, 12. Go away."

Of course, if these same people walk up with a copy of Dark Heresy under their arm or a box of painted miniatures and want to "talk shop" about gaming, war-gaming, video games or whatever similar hobby-related topics? Sure, I'll spend all day talking to them. Of course, I'll probably forget what I'm talking about halfway through, but, well, that's life.

It doesn't matter. For those of us who are as old as your parents (and quite possibly older), the handful of years in the 12-20 spread are meaningless. To us, you're a kid. There's no shame in that, you're still young. Enjoy it while you can, because once it's gone, it's gone, and will never come again.

The fact that you're basically here, in this thread, stamping your foot and angrily declaring that you're not a little kid is.... well, let's call it "cute".

You're at the age where you are beginning the first steps in establishing your own identity, separate from your parents, as a part of your peer-group and as an individual. You don't want to be considered a child, but you're not yet an adult. We've all been there before.... or, for some of the other posters, they'll be there soon enough, too.

Before you know it, you'll be here on Dakka, sitting at home, shaking your pimp-stick in the air, ranting about these damned kids with their Pokemans and their DragonFall Deez, what with their DaemonPrince Primarchs and CRASSUS ARMORED ASSAULT TRANSPORTS, and, why, back in my day...

So it goes.

Woh woh woh what were you thinking with this one

Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

I don't even know where to start.

Well, I do, but I really, really don't want to type it all out. Not worth it.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

You realise that all of that post could just as easily be applied to people over 15, right?

Unpainted armies and lack of knowledge of the rules are by no means confined to kids.

I once played against a kid who was going "Waddu i need to roooool???" for the 20th time after me and my brother explained the basic rules to him over and over again. Or the ones who just ask you what they should do and then they only roll the dice, and if there is a single 6 among them he goes crazy how smart he is. I think people can do well without these

I suppose it all really depends, if a kid can prove he can play then sure i don't see why not, but if he just wants to play because he likes the little army guys and doesn't know the first part of actually playing the game, then no. Then again this can all apply to older players as well.

I suppose the lesson here is that don't judge a player by his age.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Na. Little kids under 15 shound not play, unless with other people their age. Look at it this way, you have this beautiful army that you've spent countless hours and nights painting, and heres this kid who half assembled, poorly painted army is playing against you in a tournament.

He doesnt know the rules because he cant read, or doesnt want to. So you end up telling him the rules, and how to beat you just so you dont feel bad about taking advantage of a kid who is to lazy to learn how to play.

NO TO KIDS PLAYING UNLESS THEY"RE WELL INFORMED.

Excuse me but I resent this very much! I'm 14,I have memeorised the rules of both my armies,Tyranids,4th and 5th ed,and Space Marines,and the BRB,my armies are well painteed,not to Golden Daemon standard,but to a standard that doesn't make my opponent gag,and I take consideration the modalling,especially with characters.

Yes I did read the last statement,buy the objection is to the 1st clause,no under 15s.

Here are my rules

1-know the rules and codex enough so I don't have to correct you every phase,and then give you the BRB to prove it.
2-As long as the base coat is on it's painted.However if you do paint it properly, make it good.
3-Don't use modals with missing arms or wings.Wings not so much as you can count it as a griounded version,ie,Tyranid Shrikes as warriors.Missing arms is bad because you can count it as an assaulkt cannon on the army list,but the arm might only be a stormbolter.

I don't get the primed rule. Grey models do look much better than black blobs of something. I never prime my stuff unless I'm about to paint it, because the black color takes away all the details.

Some modals may be designed to be black.Or white.And it's not my rule it's the rule of my FLGS.Which makes it my rule.

Nicholas wrote:Woh woh woh what were you thinking with this one

It sounds fun, at first... and, for a brief time, it may well be...

... but it all too quickly becomes its own circle of Hell.

In regards to all of you who don't want to play against kids because their models arn't painted, or look terrible, I don't understand you. So many more older players probably have not painted their army than younger players, because younger players, or kids as your calling them, have more time for it.

Rather a generalization there. While I have hundreds of as-yet-unpainted miniatures, I won't so much as play a game of Blood Bowl without my team being fully painted, converted and what-not.

young gamers are probably more passionate than us older ones(18+)

we older gamers(18+) often get corrupted/distracted mainly from sex, drugs, alcohol and careers
those younger gamers aren't, so they're able to concentrate more without taking on to much responsibilities and are free to let there imaginations run wild over hobby limitations even though most lack money

i was only 12 when i first started and warhammer was my religion,
now that im 22 i have responsibilities and find it harder than ever to free myself some time on warhammer even though i have more money than when i was young

it depends on the gamer, i dont age is a factor

Ahh. Well that stinks.

Considering this a game of plastic toy soldiers, aren't we all kids at heart? I've never considered age as a factor in my wargamming. I've faced everything from grizzled long-beards to snot-nosed kids and in the end it's all about wether or not I had fun. TBH i didn'tthink a younger croud really played 40k. I don't see much evidence of it in my community. I first got into 40k my freshmen year in highschool at the original Dakka Dakka building in NH. We had a few kids there and I'm sure I was considered one of them for many years. There were some small problems I had with kids there. For instance one would build his calvary models by filling the horses with glue, another would continously build conversions and never paint or play (he became very inspired with warhammer and is now becomeing a green barret lol). But, as these examples show, I have a problem with kids in the hobby. Not the game.

To cover a few points brought up previously:

I can't count how many times I've shown up to a tournament with the only fully painted army (Painting has nothing to do with age).

I have seen "kids" throw models in the trash because they "suck" and I've seen "adults" throw Daemon Princes across the room because of... well I don't know why but man did that Prince shatter. (I'm guilty of crushing my devistators in my fist for failing to hit anything....20 games in a row. But in this case my friends knew that and laughed at the marines misfortune). Age has nothing to do with self control.

Pokemon is a big game in my state. I think I'm partially responcable. "Pokemon Night" at burger king was a good thing for me. I taught an army of kids (and their parents) how to play, trade and sell cards. I was able to collect the whole first set. (MtG is way better BTW).

Oh, and as for smashing a childs model with a hammer... If it were my model (at that age and time in my life) you'd never make it out the door. And if my father had found out about it (at that age and time in my life) I'd own the gaming store.

Sorry for the rant. I haven't been on these forums in sometime. Life and all that.

I

at the school league I saw 13 year olds with more skill than some adults I know....nuff said

though then again the shrill high pitch voices do make me reach for my blast master every now and then

I'm 13 and I think I have passion for the hobby, I paint my armies and I've learnt the rules. I also play fairly and don't mind loosing, is that mature enough?

And besides it's just a hobby right?

Only if the little kid in quetion knows what they're doing. If they have to ask you about every rule and every stat line of every unit in the game then no.

or if they cast "unleash rage" after losing a battle :/

This thread is made of pure win. I can't stop laughing at the first comments

Personally I have no problem with younger players, as long as they understand the rules and don't start whining when they lose. I once played against a nine-year-old, who had built his tyranid army wrong (I mean illegally). After just three turns, I handed his ass to him. And what do you know? He threw his hive tyrant to the ground, sweeped his gaunts across the room, and we had to call his mother to calm him down.

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:This thread is made of pure win. I can't stop laughing at the first comments

Personally I have no problem with younger players, as long as they understand the rules and don't start whining when they lose. I once played against a nine-year-old, who had built his tyranid army wrong (I mean illegally). After just three turns, I handed his ass to him. And what do you know? He threw his hive tyrant to the ground, sweeped his gaunts across the room, and we had to call his mother to calm him down.

Such situations are fortunately the exceptions rather than the rule.

When I first started playing WH40k when I was 13, I didn't know the rules. I learned to play by gaming with my friends of similar age. I'd ask them how far my units could move, what I needed to hit and wound, and pretty much about everything that wasn't described in the Codex. I didn't have my own copy of the core rulebook, because money for me was scarce back then - my allowance was 2 dollars and 50 cents a week if I cleaned my room - and I'd rather spend my money on minis and brushes and paint. My Eldar armies were often illegal lists - as I recall, I had a single Eldar Guardian Jetbike as its own unit. When I lost, which was easily every game I played or close to it, sure I felt a bit down - and who doesn't when they lose? - but I always came back for more.

I don't recall any of my friends throwing fits about losing, either. Even the really young kid who played - probably 8 or 9 years old - didn't throw fits.

Every miniature I had back then was painted. Maybe not superbly or even well, but I did paint them. These days, now that I'm 22 and will be 23 in a couple of weeks, I have more unpainted and unprimed miniatures than I do painted ones. I dunno why, but painting isn't as enjoyable as it used to be. Maybe I just have more ways to get gratification, or maybe it's that I'm now spending more than 10 times as much on miniatures as I was back then, and the sheer volume is daunting... Whatever the reason, the armies I field all have unpainted miniatures in them.

Of course, that's all just my experience.

I dont mind, I mean I'v seen some very mature 10 year old that get the game perfectly. Actually, I mind my friends, they aren't little, but if they get one wound on Mephiston(even worse if 2 at a time), they are VERY immature about it

whats so bad about mephiston? why is he so hard to wound that they glorify in it?

Sabet wrote:whats so bad about mephiston? why is he so hard to wound that they glorify in it?

Because Meph is secretly a Demon, acording to his stat line.

Overall, I think the hobby recreates our inner kid, do you agree?

Somewhat, it is just like other hobbies really; relieves stress. Probably why people try to avoid versing little kids when possible. Some might be mature enough to be like versing anyone else whilst others can come across as extremely annoying (my space marines, let me give you a 10 minute speech about why they are soooo awesome and make your guys look like crap).

The annoying types who have a little tantrum when the game shifts slightly away from exactly where they want it are not age exclusive, just more likely to appear at certain age brackets.

Lord of Baal wrote:Overall, I think the hobby recreates our inner kid, do you agree?

Possibly, I played the game back in second ed. and I started again in 5th not because of nostalgia or wanting to be Peter Pan but because I remember how much fun it was. I have more money to spend on the hobby, I have a better understanding of how to play now and it also keeps me out of the pub, much to my other halfs delight.

I don't mind who I play, as long as they aren't going to throw a wobbly. I try to avoid the younger players as they sometimes want to play with everything they have ...

So you have Orks, Space Marines and Tyranids on the table ... ok ... have you done an army list ... no ... ok ...

I really have no problem with kids playing 40K. In fact, our FLGS could use a few more members. What I'm worried about is the fact that the fluff is going to warp their soul(it's the originator of Grim Dark for a reason).

Ha ha ha I have played a kid like that Pilau. I even know people my age who do that like for exmaple chaoslordsam. It's quite funny even though he older...(uLtRaNoOb) what a neophyte.

Lord of Baal wrote:Do you like little kids playing warhammer 40k? I don't. I think they are a bit too immature and they don't have a passion for the hobby. What do you think?

You are 12. Who are you to say others are too immature, and more so, who are you to say how much passion anyone else has for anything? Troll less.

I dont mind playing against younglings, but I am aware I have to consciously watch my language.

I remember once watching a game between a twenty-something and a tweenie. The kids was good and watching the adult's face as his units died in droves was priceless!

Plus it's a fun opportunity to prat around a bit, kids always seem to enjoy watching an adult do the machinegun dance (you know hold your hands if if you've got a machine gun, jerk aroun and make 'dakka dakka dakka' noises) or slow motion diving (going 'nooooooooooooooooo' in slow mo while falling to the ground)

Fun times!

coolyo294 wrote:I have no problem with them if they have a basic understanding of the game and don't annoy the hell out of me.

+1

In many cases, I'd rather play against a 12 year old who's excited about the game and really into it and wants to learn and have fun, than a fat smelly 40 year old who's going to quote every rule verbatim only when it's to his benefit and try to sneak little cheat moves in when I'm not looking and act like a crybaby when his favorite unit gets blown away.

Necros wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:I have no problem with them if they have a basic understanding of the game and don't annoy the hell out of me.

+1

In many cases, I'd rather play against a 12 year old who's excited about the game and really into it and wants to learn and have fun, than a fat smelly 40 year old who's going to quote every rule verbatim only when it's to his benefit and try to sneak little cheat moves in when I'm not looking and act like a crybaby when his favorite unit gets blown away.

Quoted for truth.
Who misses people who make up/cheat rules and then claim "back in 1st/2nd/3rd edition they could do that. i must have got my codex mixed up"? or any number of neckbeard cheat/exploits.

No Lying

No Cheating

No Stealing-The Imperial Way

I have a friend who I go to Games Workshop LA Battle Bunker With, he tries to get me to roll the dice cocked, but I didn't, haven't, won't and I ended up telling our opponents he was cheating. And he was on my team. It's Chaoslordsam and it shouldn't be tolerated, the Chaos has possessed him!

I don't understand how people keep getting into gaming situations where they don't have a good time or at least a path to one. How is it that the OP HAS to play with little kids and then begin a thread about the issue. Is it that bad out there that no one has a choice and issues like this keep croping up?

Maybe I'm spoiled, but the only "kids" I ever see playing this game are those brought along by adults. Usually, those kids are well behaved and just enjoy being part of the group.

The last time I experienced any problems with kids was at a local GW store. Most of the time the parent wasn't there. Instead, the other gamers and myself were the unwitting stooges in an ad-hoc baby-sitting scheme.

Hahaha thats funny

I played by first game of Space Hulk aged 8, so I can't criticise young kids too much. I guess kids get a bad rep, I don't recall what I've said in the thread before, I wouldn't play children now unless they were family/friends. But in truth, there's a fair few adults that act like spoilt brats.

As long as they either understand the game, or are willing to listen to and understand your explanations.

I don't mind them not understanding the game, as long as they're polite and don't pretend to know the game.

Lord of Baal wrote:No Lying

No Cheating

No Stealing-The Imperial Way

I have a friend who I go to Games Workshop LA Battle Bunker With, he tries to get me to roll the dice cocked, but I didn't, haven't, won't and I ended up telling our opponents he was cheating. And he was on my team. It's Chaoslordsam and it shouldn't be tolerated, the Chaos has possessed him!

1. You said you are switching(again I might add) to Tau, so the imperial way wouldn't apply to you.

2. Quit bad mouthing another member of the dakka community. It's really getting old, and it breaks rule number 1.

3. Quit acting like you are so much better than others your own age.

Just because I play Tau it doesn't mean I am not a fan of the Imperium. I do matches with Lord of Caliban 2 vs 2 and he playes the imperium. I think your being a bit mean don't you think?

Lord of Baal wrote:No Lying

No Cheating

No Stealing-The Imperial Way

I have a friend who I go to Games Workshop LA Battle Bunker With, he tries to get me to roll the dice cocked, but I didn't, haven't, won't and I ended up telling our opponents he was cheating. And he was on my team. It's Chaoslordsam and it shouldn't be tolerated, the Chaos has possessed him!

Uh, what the hell?

Don't call out other posters on the forums. It's immature, childish, and reflects more poorly on you than on them.

Really? That was quoted from a codex, really?

I hate kids they cheat all the time.

Asherian Command wrote:I hate kids they cheat all the time.

Yes, all kids, everywhere, cheat all the time.

Lord of Baal wrote:Really? That was quoted from a codex, really?

*beat*

What?

Nerivant wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:I hate kids they cheat all the time.

Yes, all kids, everywhere, cheat all the time.

Lord of Baal wrote:Really? That was quoted from a codex, really?

*beat*

What?

You have not been to my store..... A kid brought Gazghull vs my Veteran squad (Back in the 4th edition you could equip them with anything, like artificer armor on all of them dear god where they awesome back then. but problem is they cost like 800 points for 10 of them.)
It was a 2,000 point game. But he had 2,500 points. I had 2,000......

Lord of Baal wrote:Just because I play Tau it doesn't mean I am not a fan of the Imperium. I do matches with Lord of Caliban 2 vs 2 and he playes the imperium. I think your being a bit mean don't you think?

I'm being mean? You straight up call other members cheaters and talk down to them. And yes I'm poking fun at the fact that you've changed armies twice in the last week.

And he made the thread about getting his friend to stop switching armies...

No I was looking at new armies, never got the blood angels.

And then the 12 year old made a thread about not wanting KIDS to play...

As an "off topic question",are you nice in real in real life?

Relating to the original question, I don't mind what age the person I'm playing against is as long as they are mature and will give a fun game. The other day I walked into my local and could have killed half the kids in there within 10 minutes. Some of them were hitting each other/throwing things, there was the usual pestering the manager who was trying to get control of the situation. That is the sort of kids I don't like to play.

Lord of Baal wrote:As an "off topic question",are you nice in real in real life?

Not really no.

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