Allo everyone,

those nice people at Mantic have just received a freshly painted forge father model from Golem Studio's and they'll post it when they get 3000 likes on facebook? Head over to their facebook page and click on like to get a preview of some awesome new shinies!

http://www.facebook.com/manticgames

I like the sound of it but i'm not on Facebook so i'll just give them a here!

I hit like a few days ago when i realised i can buy Mantic stuff within this great historic city of York. Still 411 people away.

deejaybainbridge wrote:I hit like a few days ago when i realised i can buy Mantic stuff within this great historic city of York. Still 411 people away.

400

You trendy kids and your social marketing techniques

Flashman wrote:You trendy kids and your social marketing techniques

Hardly a kid at 28, haha! free advertisement, Pretty much every company has jumped on that bandwagon, and why not, free adverts to thousands of people. Win win really.

I hate facebook :( but yeah, it really is the bestest way around for advertising a small/new company.. and for big companies if you're not on it, you're not cool.

Necros wrote:and for big companies if you're not on it, you're not cool.

GW tried to be cool, but then they remembered why they hate the internet!

lol, facebook.

It's kinda sad to see people rely so much on it.

I'm not fussed. The pics will be posted here within a day or two.

I liked it.

Melissia wrote:lol, facebook.

It's kinda sad to see people rely so much on it.

Sad, or mainstream and useful for normal people?

Feth them, I'm not gonna beg for a preview.

I'm with Lord Blackfang on this one...why would I give them free advertising for the privilege of being allowed to see more of their advertising?

I don't think they're going to get another 400 likes anytime soon, that will take at least a few weeks.

BoW will be showing them off before then.

Having seen the unpainted models, they look awesome. Now, I really hope they don't screw up and paint them in bright primary colours.

I can understand the giveaways like this for a promo.
But there was a time when Mantic just released images of forthcoming models.

First black mark against Mantic for me.
Just goddam show the pics already.

scarletsquig wrote:Having seen the unpainted models

Where did you see 'em?

Melissia wrote:lol, facebook.

It's kinda sad to see people rely so much on it.

Yeah, and it's sad to see people rely so much on telephones. Or writing. Or, you know... communicating with other people.

Popsicle wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Having seen the unpainted models

Where did you see 'em?

He would've seen them at gencon

ChocolateGork wrote:

Popsicle wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Having seen the unpainted models

Where did you see 'em?

He would've seen them at gencon

Ah, I see. Guess I'll just need to be patient then.

I wanna see them sooo bad.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I can understand the giveaways like this for a promo.
But there was a time when Mantic just released images of forthcoming models.

First black mark against Mantic for me.
Just goddam show the pics already.

Yeah, it's a bit egotistical. Just show the product off.

lord_blackfang wrote:Feth them, I'm not gonna beg for a preview.

It reminds me of Fanfiction.net. You always got people holding their stories hostage, threatening not to update unless they got so many reviews. But at least that had a kernel of merit in it: it's frustrating when you're looking for feedback so you can learn how to improve, but get nothing back. This is just whoring for likes.

I concur. Sod them.

Yeah, I can see what they're trying to do but I couldn't really care for it - just show the mini if you have it - it's far better. It's like they think facebook 'Likes' actually mean something.

I believe that the message is "feth social media"

Talk about turning a back on a market. Not everybody wants/has a FB account. Silly.

2,709 as of posting. FB moves a bit faster than people give it credit.

We may never see it...

Funny, coz it went up three between my last post and this one...

ChocolateGork wrote:

Popsicle wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:Having seen the unpainted models

Where did you see 'em?

He would've seen them at gencon

Saw them at their open day a month ago... really nice models, basically exact carbon copies of the forgefather concept art.

They do really need to show them already, I think they're trying to build suspense, but taking things a bit too far on that note.

The models won't be released until November, so we're getting a 4-month preview. Not bad.

I'm tempted to remove my "like" just because they are making bloody Squats 2.0...

That is a good idea, except I haven't liked it to remove.

Would it be going too far to "like" just so I can "unlike" to make a point?

Done that before several times myself.

Agamemnon2 wrote:I concur. Sod them.

Agreed as well.

I use facebook for keeping up with family and friends, particularly those who are in other states. I keep the number of people I add low, and the privacy settings hi.

I don't really see a problem with it. They are trying to increase their fan base, in a pretty harmless way. If clicking "Like" is such a hard thing to do to support an awesome miniatures company who actually LISTENS to their fan base, instead of doing everything to piss them off, well, maybe that's why we don't have more companies like them.

It isn't hard to click on a like button
But it sorta reminds me of a kids show and the guy says Hi, and the kids shout Hi and the guy says, but I can't hear you, you have to shout louder ,,, repeat,,, and I still can't hear you ,,, and so on and so forth

and personally I don't play that game. It was tedious and annoying when I was 5, and it is tedious and annoying now.

So, if we give them 3000 likes, they'll advertise to us?

I don't have anything against Mantic, but that doesn't sound right.

Then again, GW charges $10 for a monthly catalog, so I guess it's just a wargaming thing.

yeah,
boring...

Panic...

Weird Face book gimmick = fail

Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Sidstyler wins the thread.

Mantic's mistake was counting on angry internet folk to help them advertise things so that they don't have to spend money on it so that their models stay cheap.

You mean we aren't entitled to cool, affordable models? Why I never. It's almost as if people have no understanding of business at all.

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

But clicking a button on a site that most of us are already registered on is so hard and morally repugnant!

...wait a minute, that sounds crazy...

Neconilis wrote:

But clicking a button on a site that most of us are already registered on is so hard and morally repugnant!

...wait a minute, that sounds crazy...

I wonder if I should exalt this post

It's at 2,791... almost there

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Is it really too much to ask that a company not act like a 13 year old girl? Or if they're going to play coy, learn not to run the joke into the fething ground. If they were willing to show off the models at their Open Day, the non-Brits should have had the same opportunity the following Monday. Waiting a month and then still making it dependant on 400 people jumping through a hoop is just frustrating.

AlexHolker wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Is it really too much to ask that a company not act like a 13 year old girl? Or if they're going to play coy, learn not to run the joke into the fething ground. If they were willing to show off the models at their Open Day, the non-Brits should have had the same opportunity the following Monday. Waiting a month and then still making it dependant on 400 people jumping through a hoop is just frustrating.

Because advertising is purely the domain of 13 year old girls?

GBL wrote:Because advertising is purely the domain of 13 year old girls?

Not advertising, fishing for praise by holding their work hostage until they get so many likes/faves/reviews.

I have been critical of GW not providing updates of their projects.
That does not mean I hate GW, just that I disagree with their lack of communication.
On the other hand I have praised Mantic for being open about showing concept art and greens.

It seems entiirely consistent to not want to see Mantic take this course of action.
Nor is it suddenly Mantic hating. Merely a dislike of a certain type of publicity.

It is silly imho and I want no part of it. If Mantic want me to approve of them, just show the piccies, instead of talking like a bunch of girlies from a high school drama who need others to tell them they are cool.
Like OMG Mantic so totally rock being way cool and popular, like they have like 2500 like likes now! AWESUM!

Ten year olds' mileage may vary, because they only have little legs and the attention span of mayflies.
Are we nearly there yet?


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Some people seem to be confusing advertising with publicity.
Obviously the years of conditioning by GW's muddled PR has had an affect on the gaming community.

Worth a like for the chance to win an army box I guess. Think they are on about 2800 now... sigh.. (although if people are saying they saw the minis a month ago I'm amazed pics haven't been posted online yet - they were shown at Gencon right?)

No, I think "holding their work hostage" would be something like "Give us 3,000 Likes on Facebook or we won't sell you Forge Father models at all!", not withholding a preview of one painted figure.

Which, you know, they could very well show off in the next couple weeks anyway. It's not like you have to give them what they want or you'll never see them.

AlexHolker wrote:

GBL wrote:Because advertising is purely the domain of 13 year old girls?

Not advertising, fishing for praise by holding their work hostage until they get so many likes/faves/reviews.

A like is another name for the registration to their newsfeed. It isnt a cry for attention, it simply gives them the ability to reach more people, which is the function of advertising and publicity. It is no different than when they were giving out free ghouls for newsletter registrations a few years back. Except in this case the reward isnt a physical model but a model preview. No harm done, and nothing to do with teenage girls.

GBL wrote:It is no different than when they were giving out free ghouls for newsletter registrations a few years back.

Your free ghouls were never made dependant on other people registering for their newsletter. If they'd simply said, "Anyone who likes us on Facebook can see the Forgefather, right now," then you could argue it is no different.

AlexHolker wrote:

GBL wrote:It is no different than when they were giving out free ghouls for newsletter registrations a few years back.

Your free ghouls were never made dependant on other people registering for their newsletter. If they'd simply said, "Anyone who likes us on Facebook can see the Forgefather, right now," then you could argue it is no different.

So? Its still just marketing. That doesnt beg any comparison to a teenage girl. They just (quite obviously) want to get a large number of subscribers. There are pay for services that could do that for them, but rather than use those they are using it as a platform for a preview.

They are going to show the models at the end of the week on BoW, but if they can get 3k likes on FB they will show one early... I don't see the problem

In which case, if they are going to show them on BoW (possibly on Turn 8 which will be on Thursday) it won't be long to have to wait.

Showing on BoW could also mean "Behind the Scenes" I guess.

Sorry, call me old fashioned but again, I really don't appreciate PR party games. Don't want to have to suck up their jelly and ice cream and lick their birthday buns.
Just show the pictures.

They're going to, on Beasts of War apparently. They don't have to show them off early and I don't get why people are being so butthurt over it.

And you all say I'm "entitled" and that I want "free models" whenever I bitch about GW's bs prices, lol. What the feth are you guys being right now?

Lord Shag wrote:So, if we give them 3000 likes, they'll advertise to us?

I don't have anything against Mantic, but that doesn't sound right.

Then again, GW charges $10 for a monthly catalog, so I guess it's just a wargaming thing.

AlexHolker wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC, even though your models look good and your prices are affordable and you don't treat me like some crack-addicted fething whore and act like you don't need to show me anything at all for any reason because you know I'll buy your product anyway no matter how expensive or gakky-looking it is like some other companies do, I can no longer promote you because of this...complete and utter BETRAYAL."

Yeah, Mantic is such a terrible fething company, they should be more like GW. I don't want any previews at all. I won't buy Mantic models until they match GW prices. I won't invest in a Mantic game until I know for a fact that the army I pick will only be worth playing for a few months and then I have to wait 5+ years before I get any more models or rules updates. That's what real companies do when they respect their customers!

wat

Is it really too much to ask that a company not act like a 13 year old girl? Or if they're going to play coy, learn not to run the joke into the fething ground. If they were willing to show off the models at their Open Day, the non-Brits should have had the same opportunity the following Monday. Waiting a month and then still making it dependant on 400 people jumping through a hoop is just frustrating.

Agreed.

I get the impression that a lot of people do not understand what a "Like" on Facebook really is.

All they are doing is saying "Sign up for our Facebook blog", not begging for anything.

I see bands do it all the time. when they hit a round number, they drop a link to a video or mp3 they put up just for the occasion.

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC

Rational people can change their opinions based on new information. Deal with it.

A lot of you need to get over it and stop acting like 13 year old girls. Don't sign up to FB, don't click their link. Just wait a few days and look at it then. BFD

lord_blackfang wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:Wow, the Dakka crowd is very fickle, aren't they? "I love Mantic, eat it GW! OMG! A fething PROMOTIONAL STUNT ON FACEBOOK, A POPULAR SOCIAL MEDIA SITE THAT EVERY OTHER COMPANY IN THE WORLD TAKES ADVANTAGE OF TO DO STUNTS JUST LIKE THIS ONE AND ADVERTISE THEIR PRODUCT?! But that's advertising! And I hate Facebook! FETH YOU MANTIC

Rational people can change their opinions based on new information. Deal with it.

lmao, oh yeah, this is completely rational behavior alright. An otherwise cool company does a pretty common Facebook stunt and the response is "feth THEM!"

Sorry but I think you need to take your own advice and "deal with it". You're not entitled to preview pics of models you want to buy, and the demands to "show the god-damned pics already" are childish and stupid. And this isn't even that big of a deal, either! It's not like GW's horsegak where they don't show you previews of anything until two weeks before the general release, it's a preview that they were already going to show off at a certain date (which from what I understand is still months in advance of the release, and this is AFTER we've already seen a lot of conceptual artwork for the line), that they promised to reveal a little sooner if their Facebook page got more "Likes". Kinda harmless really, and not deserving of all this hyperbolic crap about "holding their work hostage" or attention-whoring.

Mantic aren't the ones turning their backs on anyone here, its you guys. Because you're acting like spoiled rotten brats who didn't get their way one time. Wait until Mantic is a few years older and has been burning you (I use the term "burn" loosely) for as long as GW has before you start boycotting their product, that's my advice.

Agree with Sid - not sure where all the hostility is coming from? At the end of the day, Facebook is a vital marketing tool these days and any company not using it is really shooting themselves in the foot. Hell, even GW are using FB nowadays and their disdain for all things internet is legendary. I'm glad Mantic have the gumption to use FB in an effective way to hype and market their product; in certain respects, social media can be more powerful than emailing out countless newsletters that never get read.

I actually wish GW would use Facebook to show off previews and crap in a similar fashion. Though I'm sure their demands would probably be something along the lines of "If x,xxx,xxx people buy the new Storm of Magic expansion before 9am Monday, we'll show you a small portion of the concept art for one of our future releases...probably!"

And then we'd call that bs and everyone would say "omg you're so entitled, I bet you want GW to just give you all their models!"

Actually nah, it's probably impossible to buy that many copies of the expansion since they purposely print a small number of them just so they can later pat themselves on the back on their website and say "Oh boy we sold out already! We're that popular!"

Sidstyler wrote:Sorry but I think you need to take your own advice and "deal with it".

I am. I said "feth them" and didn't click the Like button. That's the full extent of my emotional investment in the matter. You're the one getting his panties in a twist about it and making up all sorts of crazy strawmen to make it look like it's unreasonable and wrongbad to feel one iota of dislike for anyone except big bad GW.

Except not many people can argue that GW haven't done a lot lately to earn people's ire. Treating Mantic as if they have the same long history of fething people over, for some trivial issue over their Facebook page, probably the only thing they've done in their life as a company so far that could possibly be considered bad (which really isn't), just doesn't seem very reasonable to me. GW eliminated all official previews for upcoming products, Mantic are still showing you a preview a good four months before it's due, but offered to show it off even earlier just for fun.

I just think that if you're going to say "feth you" to any company then there should be a good reason for it. Telling them to feth off for advertising in a pretty common and non-offensive way isn't a good enough reason in my opinion.

I see bands do it all the time. when they hit a round number, they drop a link to a video or mp3 they put up just for the occasion.

One of my favorite bands, Machinae Supremacy, did a similar thing on Facebook a while ago to promote their new album. They said if one of their wall posts got a certain number of likes they would release a few tracks from the new album early or something like that. It wasn't "fishing for praise" or any of that crap, it was just something fun they did for the fans. It's not like they were going to delay the album release if they didn't get enough likes for it.

Seems like the nerdy wargaming community are the only ones who are deeply offended by this stuff. I mean could you imagine..."Oh no, I'm being forced to 'beg' for tracks from an album that I plan on buying when it's released anyway! This is so horrible! Not a fun little bonus at all!"



But yeah, that's about all I got to say I guess. Still not too interested in space dwarves so I don't really care, but I'm interested in seeing more about the other races in Warpath later.

Oh tehh noes! I haves to click on tehh likez!!!!1 Mantic is deadz to me!!!!2



Honestly people. Get a grip.

Sidstyler wrote:Except not many people can argue that GW haven't done a lot lately to earn people's ire. Treating Mantic as if they have the same long history of fething people over, for some trivial issue over their Facebook page, probably the only thing they've done in their life as a company so far that could possibly be considered bad (which really isn't), just doesn't seem very reasonable to me. GW eliminated all official previews for upcoming products, Mantic are still showing you a preview a good four months before it's due, but offered to show it off even earlier just for fun.

I just think that if you're going to say "feth you" to any company then there should be a good reason for it. Telling them to feth off for advertising in a pretty common and non-offensive way isn't a good enough reason in my opinion.

I think you're reading too much into that one word. Just because I said feth to this one marketing stunt does not mean I hate Matic forever and wish they would all die of dysentery or something. Also, please stop falling back on "GW is even worse!", it's a terrible excuse.

Have already made this point Blackfang
Which has been completely ignored. As will your comment.

The word "hate" gets thrown around the forum as soon as you disagree with something.
Apparently if you have a reasonable argument against an aspect of something you are an irrational hater and nerd rage against everything that company does.

Since I didn't see it mentioned, The reason they haven't posted the pic of the models yet (Open Day/Gencon) is so many people bitch about the photos of their unpainted models and then realize how great they look when painted. SO they wish to avoid that initial bitchfest, and just show off the painted version.

The Unpainted model sitting on my desk looks fantastic.

Sidstyler wrote:lmao, oh yeah, this is completely rational behavior alright. An otherwise cool company does a pretty common Facebook stunt and the response is "feth THEM!"

Frankly, I've never liked Mantic, so my behavior throughout the thread has been completely in-line with my earlier opinions.

Sidstyler wrote:I actually wish GW would use Facebook to show off previews and crap in a similar fashion. Though I'm sure their demands would probably be something along the lines of "If x,xxx,xxx people buy the new Storm of Magic expansion before 9am Monday, we'll show you a small portion of the concept art for one of our future releases...probably!"

Forge World actually did that. It's how we got the non-blurry photos from their seminar.

They held a vote on their page for what to show as detailed previews next, and the frickin' Praetor won.


Anyways, yeah. At least in this case, Mantic doesn't have to worry about what happened with some of their preview mailings that never actually arrived.

I dont understand the buzz from boot sides...

We are Mantic fans, we like it (in facebook too), and we want to see those forgefather miniatures...

We are just advising averyone oround that they will show the picks we want to see, if they reach 3000 likes on facebook.

If you dont like Mantic, or dont want to see the picks, or dont want to like it in facebook just to see the minis, its ok... You dont need to rant about that...

At the same time, im a GW Hater, i dont like GW as a company, and like to make fun with that. If someone want to do that with other company (like mantic) and dont offend me or anyone else (involved in the conversation) that should not be a problem at all...

Actually, when things like that happen, we should all just joke around and laugh together. Or do we prefere to burn wyches?

You people are hilarious. If GW did something like this, you'd be calling them worse than the anti-christ.

DarknessEternal wrote:You people are hilarious. If GW did something like this, you'd be calling them worse than the anti-christ.

I think people would actually be happy to see a GW preview that wasn't a crappy picture off someone's phone

In terms of the Mantic "like us to the xth number and we will show you things" - not really fussed. I already follow them on facebook, so there is nothing I can do except sit and wait to see the picture(s). What I think people are complaining about is that they have not ever placed any kind of limits on their previews - just showing them off.

If they show off unique previews on facebook every so often, people will sign up regardless.

"Build it and they will come".

DarknessEternal wrote:You people are hilarious. If GW did something like this, you'd be calling them worse than the anti-christ.

Not so.

I'd love any kind of previews from them, and clicking "like" on FB is a small price to pay.

The unpainted Forge Father models at Gen Con were extremely cool. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing how the range continues to develop. I think there's a tremendous potential with these.

Hmmm..clicking on FB gives them a good count of the number of customers they are potentially reaching.

This data can help them
Determine the effectiveness of the communication platform
Identify the type of customers and what they like.
Share this data with investors to fund more cool product.

Instead they get insanity.

"Sir they used the word Feth 376 times--We need to create a Feth Army..."

Whats a Feth?

"We don't know"

Monster Rain wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:You people are hilarious. If GW did something like this, you'd be calling them worse than the anti-christ.

Not so.

I'd love any kind of previews from them, and clicking "like" on FB is a small price to pay.

Agreed!

So, who are these "you people" anyway?

Alpharius wrote:Agreed!

So, who are these "you people" anyway?

thommed wrote:"Sir they used the word Feth 376 times--We need to create a Feth Army..."

I propose The United Fetheration of Planets for a new faction.

lol
This planet is ed so we ought sign up or is it for the fething up of other planets?

Sure is taken a long time to get 3000 "likes".

Come on people like it!

*don't really care, but think this is funny*

Byte wrote:Sure is taken a long time to get 3000 "likes".

Come on people like it!

*don't really care, but think this is funny*

At least if it was GW, those numbers would be racking up doublefast. But since Mantic is tiny and obscure, we'll probably be waiting for another few weeks to a month.

Tiny and obscure? Oh you drama queen.

I have to admit Agamemnon2, you aren't doing much to disprove the stereotype of Finns being a dour, depressive and morose people

..hmm.. I think he's got a point actually.

Games Workshop 36,284
people like this

Mantic 2,864
people like this


There's a big old gulf there, indicative one would suggest of the true difference in scale between.. well... not just them but GW and pretty much every other mini/wargaming company.

Think how quickly Forgeworld got up to... 5k was it ?... "likes" when they did a similar tease.

So, why are they doing this? What's the benefit of getting a lot of likes? I'm not being facetious, I'm not on facebook and I genuinely want to know.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:lmao, oh yeah, this is completely rational behavior alright. An otherwise cool company does a pretty common Facebook stunt and the response is "feth THEM!"

Frankly, I've never liked Mantic, so my behavior throughout the thread has been completely in-line with my earlier opinions.

Noted!

Also, I saw this posted on their Facebook page. I lol'd. From Mr. Huw Grant:

GIVE US THE F*****G FORGEFATHER!!!!!!!!!

Mantic's response:

‎3000 likes :p

X)

Mantic's response:

Nah nah nah nah nah nah!!

Good grief Charlie Brown.

Why are there no pics of the Forgefather models from Gencon?

whitedragon wrote:Why are there no pics of the Forgefather models from Gencon?

Ronnie had a no cameras allowed policy, he wants the first pictures to be released to be the painted ones from Golem.

I couldn't even take a picture to share internally with the rest of OTL.

Im a lot disapointed with that behavior...

I dont expect this degree of secrecy from Ronnie and Mantic, specially, its like they dont knew about the lots of out UK/USA fans they had, who are willing and waiting to buy those minis...

That sounds like "they will buy it anyway, cook them a little more".

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:
That sounds like "they will buy it anyway, cook them a little more".

Why hello there GW strategy!

That sounds like "they will buy it anyway, cook them a little more".

Yeah, I think we can all agree the Facebook idea is a little lame. I can perhaps understand why they'd want nicely photographed ones shown, but you'd think Gencon would be the perfect place to show them off, what difference is a few days going to make to them

Only a 125 more to go, we should be there by Sunday.

Guys, the models aren't even painted yet, golem have only done 2 out of the 5 models that make up a unit.

This thread is packed full of hyperbolic statements, on both sides.

Cyporiean wrote:Since I didn't see it mentioned, The reason they haven't posted the pic of the models yet (Open Day/Gencon) is so many people bitch about the photos of their unpainted models and then realize how great they look when painted. SO they wish to avoid that initial bitchfest, and just show off the painted version.

And yet I've only ever heard people say the Golem paintjobs look worse than bare plastic. Certainly that's the case for the orcs, at least, with their radioactive green skin.

warspawned wrote:

That sounds like "they will buy it anyway, cook them a little more".

Yeah, I think we can all agree the Facebook idea is a little lame.

No. In fact, I think the exact opposite. This thread has proven that it's definitely NOT something we can all agree on.

Eric

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Sidstyler wrote:lmao, oh yeah, this is completely rational behavior alright. An otherwise cool company does a pretty common Facebook stunt and the response is "feth THEM!"

Frankly, I've never liked Mantic, so my behavior throughout the thread has been completely in-line with my earlier opinions.

Yeah but you don't like anything so what's new there?

Like it more!

Are we there yet????
(Ducks for heavy cover)

I have FB more to keep in touch with friends and family, I check onit occassionally, but yeah, I "liked" Mantic to help nudge them.,

I liked it, if only to prove to myself that I'm not a maladjusted hater.

Monster Rain wrote:I liked it, if only to prove to myself that I'm not a maladjusted hater.

Hey!

I am not maladjusted!









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Vladsimpaler wrote:Yeah but you don't like anything so what's new there?

Bahahaha!

Ok, genunine LOL right there. Well done.

Honestly, I do want to see what these models look like.

I actually have a resin master in my possession. I was sworn by Ronnie at Gencon not to take pics, but considering he and llew Almost beat me in a grudge match game of KoW, I assented. I have also seen the painted pic and some other WIP art. Looks amazing.

Sorry Marcus but this sort of statement just makes me wonder all the more why they don't just put the pics on the web.

They have an agreement with BoW. What else is there to say? I will state the the detail is sharper and crisper than everything else i have seen before, although whether this translates into the Restic Production run is to be seen.

Also, my interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KdTBbAydFU

I can understand that, but the BoW deal makes no odds to what they are doing on FB.

Just put the pics up on Backstage then release the info slightly later for the rest of us who can't be bothered with Backstage.

Vladsimpaler wrote:Yeah but you don't like anything so what's new there?

I like a lot of things but since one of them is not "justifying myself to people like you", you're going to have to do your own fething research to find out what they might be.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Vladsimpaler wrote:Yeah but you don't like anything so what's new there?

I like a lot of things but since one of them is not "justifying myself to people like you", you're going to have to do your own fething research to find out what they might be.

Puppies?

Nah, I'm a cat person. But on the miniatures front, I quite liked the bell-ringing oni from that Bushido game.

Meh. Don't use Facebook and by the time they get around to posting pictures, I won't care anyway.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I can understand that, but the BoW deal makes no odds to what they are doing on FB.

Just put the pics up on Backstage then release the info slightly later for the rest of us who can't be bothered with Backstage.

If anything showed up on Backstage it'd be posted on the net for the rest of us within 10 minutes. Probably be half a dozen different people.

Also, who's Ronnie? I know he's a honcho at Mantic. I mean what's his backstory? Ex-GW? What did he do there?

That's true and good by me!

Only 68 likes to go!

Just went to 2933. I just liked it. I just bought the 110 piece undead army deal last night. So awesome. It's really even bigger than that if you are judicious with your zombies-you can make 40 instead of 30. Definitely worth it. One more zombie box for an appropriate horde of 80


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H.B.M.C. wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:I liked it, if only to prove to myself that I'm not a maladjusted hater.

Hey!

I am not maladjusted!









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Vladsimpaler wrote:Yeah but you don't like anything so what's new there?

Bahahaha!

Ok, genunine LOL right there. Well done.

You? Maladjusted? All I have to do is say..."GW price hike" and you turn into She-Hulk during 'that time of the month' Haha, just kidding buddy. They're just trying to use social media though to get people involved. It's still a small company, but growing and doing well. One of my semi-local shop owners just got 90% of the range in yesterday and finished it today. Hopping over there on Friday to pick me up some wraiths And maybe more revanents. Looking forward to beards in space.

iron clad beards in space. Space, where beards have armor

2,955...

Still not liking RiTides!
Edit: I mean, I like RiTides, but am not going to click on the FB like button

3000 reached...

http://www.beastsofwar.com/warpath/painted-forge-father-mantic/

et voila !

After all the hype I feel... not much.
Is okay
Maybe space dwarves are just not my thing.

Blue and gold, an odd choice of colour scheme.
It reminds me of something, but I just can't put my finger on it.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:After all the hype I feel... not much.
Is okay
Maybe space dwarves are just not my thing.

Blue and gold, an odd choice of colour scheme.
It reminds me of something, but I just can't put my finger on it.

Yeah... not that excited. But then, I've never been big on Dwarves, even Dwarves in spaaaace. Uh, pun not intended.

It's quite a bold blue, more of an ultramarine. I think another system has a faction that swans about in blue and gold... now what were they called.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
It reminds me of something, but I just can't put my finger on it.

.. It did make me think of "Emu", of Rod Hull fame.

Wasn't what I was thinking...
but now you mention it!

I think the paint scheme is not doing him justice. I could see myself collecting an army of these if there's enough variety.

Er!

Is that it?

Glad I didn't join fb for that!

It is a bit of an anti-climax, after 5 pages of petulent mud-slinging....er I mean discussion.

Nice to see they kept the GW giant weapon obsession going.

Looks a bit mono-pose but with seperate arms (does that make sense?).

Does anyone know if/when they will post sprue pictures?

Hype fail.

Really not worth the wait. Would have prefered some better photo's then that one small image.

If they get another 3000 'likes' can we have a bigger photo?

Pic will only be up for a day according to Mantic, but stay tuned for more stuff down the road in the coming weeks.

notprop wrote:It is a bit of an anti-climax, after 5 pages of petulent mud-slinging....er I mean discussion.

Nice to see they kept the GW giant weapon obsession going.

Looks a bit mono-pose but with seperate arms (does that make sense?).

Does anyone know if/when they will post sprue pictures?

This is a heavy weapon trooper, not a regular guy. That's why the gun is big.

Agree that the paint scheme and photography are not good. It looked better when I was holding it in my hands, unpainted. The models are plain amazing, they are some of the best sculpts released by any manufacturer this year.

There are too many shadows on the pic, and the models hasn't been based.

I would not have painted these blue either. Here's a photoshop (courtesy of max jet on warseer) that I think suits them better Blue changed to olive, no other changes:



Bit rough, but you get the idea.

There aren't any sprues for this model, it's resin plastic, possibly in 2-3 pieces.

The basic forgefather infantry will be plastic.

BrookM wrote:Pic will only be up for a day according to Mantic, but stay tuned for more stuff down the road in the coming weeks.

Implying they can stop anyone from reposting it...

Well, i think it looks great

Great to be able to use these models for 'counts-as Demiurg' when GW finally release rules and models for them in the next Tau codex

I like it!

It is a bit of an anti-climax, after 5 pages of petulent mud-slinging....er I mean discussion.

Mud slinging or discussion...

how about a compromise, 5 pages of muddled discussion.

I offer 5 pages of muggles discussing, but by Griffondors Codpeice I will not compromise any further!

I got to admit the photoshop repaint makes it look better

I was a bit excited for this.. but it looks a bit plain. The tiny picture doesn't help it any either..
For not wanting to show us the model until it was painted.. that's a pretty sub-standard paint job.

wow.. what a waste of time this model turned out to be...

I have to admit...

...I like it!

Brings to mind the Squat miniatures of old, but without a lot of the silliness many of the models in that line had.

Looking forward to more - and looking forward to figuring which Codex to use as my "Counts As" Squat army... if the Price is Right!

I like that everyone's complaining about this model when it looks EXACTLY like the concept art. Quit your bitching ffs, you should have seen this coming if you didn't like the original designs. I'll agree the paintjob doesn't look great and they could have chosen something much better, like that Photoshopped image. I liked the art earlier, and I like the model now.

I like the model and concept. I just fail to understand after so much hype of not wanting to release a picture before it was painted.. that they wouldn't have a nicely painted model that was based as well.

I don't have any issue with the beard armor, as many historical armor sets had the same thing. It's not really there to protect the beard, it's just decorative. I was thinking when the original pics came out that they would be fun to convert to some chaos dwarf space marines.. and at mantic's normal low prices it'll be a cheap project as well.

It's promising. The truth will be in the rest of the line, but it's promising.

Yes, mark your calendars, for today is the day I say nice things about a Mantic product.

So they made a big deal about showing a miniature GW made 20 years ago?

Weak.

You see, i pass one day away from internet and they release that picture...

The model is nice, the paintjob is not. That guy on golem studios dont paint bad, but he dont know how to choose colors... I hope Gold and Blue dont turn into the "oficial" color scheme for them...

It looks just like the concept art (ok, legs are a little small, but we can deal with that, and could be just the angle). positive score
It looks easy to paint, basecoat, undercoat, wash, higllight. OR do it the hard slow way. positive score
working all this circus to show that? Sorry Mantic, thats a BIG negative score.

To recap:

"Hurrr facebook."

followed by

"Hurrrr I don't like the model or facebook promotion and yet can't stop myself from posting in a thread that involves the two."

Scatter in a few sensible comments here and there.

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EDIT: When you remove the post I was quoting, this part made no sense!



I think it's a pretty good model, all in all. It reminds me of LoTR which is always a good thing.

scarletsquig wrote:I would not have painted these blue either. Here's a photoshop (courtesy of max jet on warseer) that I think suits them better Blue changed to olive, no other changes:

This is a very good color scheme that really shows off the miniature. The model is very nice, and I'm certainly interested in the Forge Father range.

Not sure yet if I'd buy any, mainly due to my current painting backlog.

Why does the blue and gold look so crappy? It works well for Cygnar dogs and the Ultrasmurfs.

biccat wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:I would not have painted these blue either. Here's a photoshop (courtesy of max jet on warseer) that I think suits them better Blue changed to olive, no other changes:

This is a very good color scheme that really shows off the miniature. The model is very nice, and I'm certainly interested in the Forge Father range.

Not sure yet if I'd buy any, mainly due to my current painting backlog.

Why does the blue and gold look so crappy? It works well for Cygnar and the Ultrasmurfs.

Likely because the Forgefather is very angular, rather than rounded like most Cygnar and Ultramarine models.

As for the model proper.

Well...it's clearly a Dwarf. I don't like the beardplate, I don't like that they basically took what appears to be the armor we saw on Gimli in the Lord of the Rings and added some techy bits to it.

Here I was thinking they were actually going to be making a unique race, not just "Dwarfs in Space!". My mistake.

Silly Kan, Mantic isn't that clever yet.

The digital repaint works better for me for some reason.

I suppose it would make sense for room to be made in a helmet for an elaborate beard, if the person to be wearing it absolutely needed to have a beard.

I think it would be simpler to just shave than design a helmet to fit around a beard, but I'm not a dwarf.

I'm guessing they're going with the dwarven stereotype of leaving the beard as it is, lest they insult their deities or whatever.

Kanluwen wrote:Here I was thinking they were actually going to be making a unique race, not just "Dwarfs in Space!". My mistake.

I honestly don't know why you would expect anything unique out of a company whose entire business model is "cheaper models for GW's games" but that's just me

BrookM wrote:I'm guessing they're going with the dwarven stereotype of leaving the beard as it is, lest they insult their deities or whatever.

I agree.

It's a pretty common theme in anything involving Dwarves that their beards are extremely important, culturally speaking. Combine that with space combat where they'd have to wear a self contained breathing apparatus and you can sort of see why the beard-plate is necessary.

I'd like to see Space Wolves with beard-plates, actually.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Here I was thinking they were actually going to be making a unique race, not just "Dwarfs in Space!". My mistake.

I honestly don't know why you would expect anything unique out of a company whose entire business model is "cheaper models for GW's games" but that's just me

Mainly because they're supposedly "GW but Creative" if some of their interviews are to believed.

Oh well. Maybe the human models will be better.

I agree, their corporation troopers looked generic enough allright.

I think it's the blue paint that makes me hate it.. the gold scheme looks way better. Still, I dunno, I guess I was expecting a lot more after all the hype. It looks like the mock up drawing, which is fine, but that leads me to believe the orcs will look like theirs, and suck (don't like the orc concepts...) I like the human concept art, so here's hoping they come out good...

On that note, why did they have to do orcs at all? I mean, f'reals, there's so so so so so many things you can do with space aliens, why just copy GW here? I get that they want people to buy their models and use em in GW games, but still...

Kanluwen wrote:

biccat wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:I would not have painted these blue either. Here's a photoshop (courtesy of max jet on warseer) that I think suits them better Blue changed to olive, no other changes:

This is a very good color scheme that really shows off the miniature. The model is very nice, and I'm certainly interested in the Forge Father range.

Not sure yet if I'd buy any, mainly due to my current painting backlog.

Why does the blue and gold look so crappy? It works well for Cygnar and the Ultrasmurfs.

Likely because the Forgefather is very angular, rather than rounded like most Cygnar and Ultramarine models.

As for the model proper.

Well...it's clearly a Dwarf. I don't like the beardplate, I don't like that they basically took what appears to be the armor we saw on Gimli in the Lord of the Rings and added some techy bits to it.

Here I was thinking they were actually going to be making a unique race, not just "Dwarfs in Space!". My mistake.

I think you understood it wrong... They are supposed to be "just Dwarfs in Space". That was the initial concept, they are regular fantasy dwarves, from a regular fantasy world, who evolved until the "space age". You know, when i refer to "regular" fantasy dwarfs, im talking about all the concept generated by gamers like us about them, in diferent medias (video game, wargames, RPG, card games, movies), trought the last 30-40 years, right?

Some concepts of the regular troopers show them without the beardplate, and they look better. I have to agree with you about it dont looking great. But it make sense, for a dwarf the beard is normally a simbol of honour, respect and pride, make sense that they want to protect them better into battle, right? Would you not protect your penis if going to battle?

I really hope the regular troopers comes with close combat weapons, that BFG looks cool, but i dont want my dwarfs to be a shooty army...

I 'like' it. Looks pretty cool, the armoured beard is odd but strangely appealing.

Necros wrote:I think it's the blue paint that makes me hate it.. the gold scheme looks way better. Still, I dunno, I guess I was expecting a lot more after all the hype. It looks like the mock up drawing, which is fine, but that leads me to believe the orcs will look like theirs, and suck (don't like the orc concepts...) I like the human concept art, so here's hoping they come out good...

On that note, why did they have to do orcs at all? I mean, f'reals, there's so so so so so many things you can do with space aliens, why just copy GW here? I get that they want people to buy their models and use em in GW games, but still...

They are not necessarely copying GW. There is a monetary situation, they are not selling games, they are selling miniatures, and happening to have games with them. GW is the dominant company around, and so, they have public. Making similar products for cheaper prices, Mantic aim those GW players. That is why they are selling orcs in space, as they will sell elves in space. Additionally, GW is overconfident, and is lacking in a lot of things letting costumers unhappy. Mantic is trying to atract those costummers that for some reason want to play GW games, but dont want/could buy them from GW (as myself). In GW, orcs are a expensive army, loved by a lot of players, who are normally willing to save some bucks, not making orcs would be very dumb for Mantic in this situation...

And lets be true: develop a miniatures line is not cheap, do you think a company like mantic could afford to make ma shoot in the dark releasing something tottally new? Give them time, and they will bring something new, but right now it is not possible...

Come to think of it, didn't Squat exo armour also have armoured beards?

Yes they did indeed. They also looked like eggs, though.

I don't mind the concept pics, the model itself looks nice enough. The paintjob is a letdown after all of the "excitement" and "hype" with the facebook thing (one small picture of one model? really?) and the paintjob and lack of being properly based are disappointing and don't do the model much justice.

Love the olive-colored photo-shopping of the model.

Is it me, or does Mantic need to change who they're having paint their show models (is it Golem painting studios, or someone else?).

They never seem to do them justice, and tend to highlight the bad parts of the models (case in point: bulging eyes on the orcs) rather than making up for them, and highlighting the good parts.

What's up with that?

Well, I'm very pleased witht the fig, though I vastly prefer the Photoshop recolor. I'm in for some of these for sure. The only question is whether I'll buy a warband or an army. That will depend on the other units that are released and just how multipart the figs turn out to be.

As to the armored beard, it's wierd but cool and it shapes the armor a bit differently than other armored space types.

Interestingly, there's enough armor on this guy that I could see someone using them as space marine proxies. Standard marines are so wussy compared to the fluff, that using forgefathers and marine stats or scout marine stats might be an appropriate match.

DarknessEternal wrote:So they made a big deal about showing a miniature GW made 20 years ago?

Yes, apart from the part where the GW squats look nothing like that. Observe:

Well, it looks like their FB campaign was a success, so...

Please see this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/345885.page

for the continuing discussion.

Thanks!