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Post by: Reecius
These sound too good to be true, therefore, knowing GW, the opposite is probably the case.
Fat, massive, toadacious blocks of salt with these, guys. I mean huge. Moon sized. Like, if the moon was the size of the sun, then they would be moon sized blocks of salt that you should take, but they're more like sun-sized blocks of salt. I didn't believe them when I heard them second hand, but here they are.
As we get towards 6th edition, some things are rumored to be changing. White Dwarf is rumored to be going back to what they had before, with more battle reports and painting how-tos and less advertisements. Sisters of Battle is the poster child for the 'White Dwarf Codex' which may be getting more full-on Codices in the future depending on popularity. One such example would be for the Chaos Legions Codex, which would have a core, and then White Dwarf additions for other Legions as the months progress.
Oh by the way, Chaos Legions by March 1012 and 6th edition by October 2012, which will feature Eldar as the poster child. Heavy Xenos influence for 6th edition, including the long-awaited Tau update.
Here's a doozy. Fluff changes. (prepare for heavy summary) We're moving on from the 41st millenium into the 42nd. Yup. Here's the rumor: mankind's days are really waning. They're heading down the crapper fast and xenos, especially Necrons, are coming into quite the threat. Well, mankind just doesn't have the power, and now Necrons are threatening Chaos, and the Chaos forces are like 'well wtf guyz'. So, Chaos has to fight across the galaxy against the enemies that mankind were fighting against, perhaps even allying with loyalist forces against a common foe. This will be expanded on in the coming Codices, including Necron and Chaos Legions, which should set up for the big fluff change in 6th edition. Some of the rest sounded more like wish, opinion, and extrapolation; Void Dragon coming up, Primarchs coming back, Emperor's descendants being found by an unnamed portion of the Imperium in order to fight the Void Dragon, etc etc...
Now here are some other things that are founded in reality: Matt Ward? Gone. Don't expect him to be writing any more Codices. His baby was 5th edition, and now that 5th edition is up, Ward is done. Board Members for GW? 3 of the old geezers gone. Company-wide changes. Everything since Tyranids? Made for 6th edition.
Speaking of 6th edition again, the main rulebook that comes out is supposed to be 'the book to rule all books'. It'll have ways to include Superheavies and rules for Fliers in regular games, and should errata a lot of rules in Apocalypse, past FAQ's, and past Codices to make it all fit together. It'll have updated stuff for Planetstrike, Cities of Death, etc, perhaps even to make room for more expansions in the future.
Ugh. The person I heard this from is a good friend and reliable source, and the person *he* got this information from is an unnamed employee of a certain facet of our favorite gaming company that deals with items made out of a material that is notorious for melting if exposed to direct sunlight and heat. By the way, all those rule sets that Forgeworld has been making? They may suddenly find themselves approved for regular games.
I honestly feel tainted by a lot of this information. I'll be the first to say that so much of it is so unreal and so uncharacteristic for Games Workshop that it doesn't feel like it could happen at all. Moving the fluff forward? Having superheavies in a regular edition? Making Codex *supplements* exclusively through White Dwarf (and subsequently free a month later on their website like most White Dwarf stuff)? Knocking Space Marines down a notch?
But think about it. 5th edition has been the edition for the Imperium. Imperial Guard, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and of course Space Marines have all gotten Codices, and Black Templar and Dark Angels have been FAQ'd to match up. The only xenos forces we've seen have been Orks (which were technically still 4th edition), Tyranids, and Dark Eldar. And now Sisters of Battle are going to be covered. That leaves Tau, Orks (since they weren't really in 5th), Eldar, Chaos Marines, Necrons, and Chaos Daemons left to be covered. NONE of those are imperial forces, so it almost seems like they've been stacking the deck so that they can put a heavier focus on the xenos, which is a prime opportunity to advance the fluff. By advancing the fluff through xenos codices, they can then re-glorify the imperial forces by updating them further into 6th edition after they've figured all that stuff out.
Also, Chaos Marines have been a group of much attention. The Horus Heresy novels, Black Crusade RPG, and features as main villains in many a video game. They have a lot of new fluff that hasn't been explored before, and a lot of new material has been created that has kept them in the limelight, even if they haven't been on the gaming tables. They are Imperial Enemy No. 1. They are a very popular force. To have them suddenly take the spotlight in new fluff in a new edition only makes sense. A force as potent as the Chaos Legions, Legions of marines that number in the thousands, whose leader commands the last Black Fortress (one of the few great weapons against the C'Tan), is a force that can wreak proper havoc again, either in the form of a new Black Crusade, or in the form of a totally different type of war. Thus far, Chaos has seemed content to chill out in their warp homes within the Maelstrom and Eye of Terror, with the 13th Black Crusade being the last great push, and that was solely against the Imperium and anything else that happened to be in the way. There are many an enemy that Chaos can fight besides the waning Imperium, such as the Necron that they abhor for their desire to snuff out the sensation that Chaos enjoys.
There are a lot of other things that simply don't fit. We've already heard rumors about fliers, but the superheavies thing is a stretch. 'One book to rule them all' is a bit of a stretch, as that would cannibalize all of the books that have already been printed. Also, Forgeworld being brought into the fold doesn't make sense either. Though they've been pumping out a lot of new stuff, their business model is built as a boutique, and if they suddenly shift gears to mass-produce their stuff to satisfy the new net lists that come out, then that will completely undo their business model. On the other hand, Games Workshop has kicked metal straight out, so to get all their factories devoted to resin might end up increasing Forgeworld's production as well simply by volume of production.
Anyway, like I said. Salt, salt, salt. Not only am I hearing all of this second-hand, but it's difficult to weed out what's speculation on the speaker's part, and what he intended as rumor. I suppose we'll just see if he's right. The first hint would be Chaos Marines in March 2012 huh?
But anyway...
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Post by: BrookM
It's BoLS, so yeah..
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Post by: Ma55ter_fett
We will see.
I've been thinking of starting an elder army for awhile now though. A big release might just get me started on them.
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Post by: Alpharius
When you start out with:
Fat, massive, toadacious blocks of salt with these, guys. I mean huge. Moon sized. Like, if the moon was the size of the sun, then they would be moon sized blocks of salt that you should take, but they're more like sun-sized blocks of salt. I didn't believe them when I heard them second hand, but here they are.
well, what's the point?
And I'd LOVE for them to advance the timeline but again, these hints? No a lot of sense being made.
Points for putting in 'real world' stuff, I guess ( Mat Ward and the Board Members?!?!?), but again, huh?
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Post by: Ixquic
If Matt Ward is done who the heck is writing their books??? He's like 90% of the company now.
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Post by: BrookM
Is Jeremy Fantasy only? If not, let him take a crack at 40k.
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Post by: streamdragon
Cruddace writes all the books now! 
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Post by: Polonius
I don't buy the idea that GW would move the timeline up. It would change a core element of the game world, and it would change the way that gamers approach the game world.
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Post by: whitedragon
So...if Chaos allies with the Imperium to fight Necrons....then what will the Blood Angels do? They are like best friends with the Necrons right?
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Post by: darkPrince010
I call hyperbole. I suspect the underlying ideas (More xenos, less IoM) may be on the money, but not quite to the degree of the BoLS OP. Plus, I agree that the superheavies/Forgeworld stuff doesn't seem plausible either. Ah well, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by: Sasori
streamdragon wrote:Cruddace writes all the books now!
Don't even talk like that.
I'd be very surprised if Mat Ward is gone. His Codexs have been a huge success in terms of sales and he writes good rules. If they should kick anyone to the curb, it should be Cruddace.
If the Necrons become as mainstream as they are talking, it would be just fantastic. The fanboy inside me would squeal with joy.
That being said, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: DX3
"We warned you of the price of your actions, now you must pay it full - in blood."
Hooray for the Eldar rumor !
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Post by: BeefCakeSoup
Glad to hear it! Gonna love nerd rage as Xenos wreck in TT and fluff against the Imperium of Fail
Edit:
I put money on some of this being true, GW hasn't been making any substantial profits last few years. I'd wager this is a push at making their company more dynamic and less stagnant. Hopefully the days of waiting 13 years for a codex are gone for good.
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Post by: monkeyh
Interesting ideas - theres a grit box somewhere in our village, I'll just go and shovel some salt out of it........
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Post by: Andilus Greatsword
Hmmm... I have difficulty believing this until we get some real proof, but it sounds very promising.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
As interesting as all of this stuff sounds, I fear there is so much salt in the thread, should you place it in warm water, it would dissolve.  I suppose the Necron Codex will grant an insight to any truth to these rumours, but I am having serious doubts. Would also be shocked if Ward was gone.
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Post by: SickSix
I am leaning with the general direction of these rumours. I think they have to move forward. The story has stagnated. And I think expecting them to go backwards is just a pipedream. I don't know why everyone is so staunchly against story progression. GW is on a downward slide. Moving forward provides them with the ability to change things up and recapture the 'hearts and minds' of all those who have felt disenfranchised recently.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Not against would love it, just don't believe GW is capable of making the decision. Hope they prove me wrong. Hence doubts, concerns and mild amusement at rumours.
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Post by: Sersi
Well...that sounds almost entirely like wish-listing.  Still any update to timeline would be a welcome change. I'm not buying the focus being taken off the Marines though.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
Kind of doubt the Ward thing--since it refers to him writing 5th (When it was mainly Alessio Cavatore).
The fluff change (If true) could be interesting--but it's going to be very strange to get Chaos/Loyalist allying. 40k is the Heresy to me---mankind's greatest foe being his own ambitions/inner self and all of that--and picturing Horus/Dante bro hugging after a Necron battle wouldn't settle very well in the gut. BloodAngelNecronFistBump.jpg
Thanks for posting this up Reecius.
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Post by: Alpharius
I'd don't see much, if any, of this coming to fruition.
Again, I'd love to see the storyline moved forward, and there are MANY awesome ways that this could be accomplished but what I think we'll get is a few minor changes here and there to the rules, maybe a few major ones too (especially if they necessitate buying even larger armies!), and on the Background side of things, I'll think we'll be stuck with another "red light blinking on the Golden Throne" reference.
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Post by: MightyGodzilla
Sounds too good to be true. Very hopeful and excited for the Eldar. I don't keep too much up with the fiction these days, so it'll be interesting to see where they go from here.
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Post by: Theduke07
Does anyone ever keep up with the old rumors that turn out wrong? Because rumors seems to follow the same logic that conspiracy nuts use; throw out a bunch of junk and hope even a small portion is right so you can claim to be a valid source.
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Post by: gorgon
I'm willing to buy the "one book" thing. Seems like we've heard similar whispers elsewhere. And Chaos Legions and Eldar being big tentpoles of the new edition seems reasonable and believable. I think the bit about emphasizing xenos over imperials is more likely a slight shift and a relative thing. SM will still have umpteen codices, the Imperium will still be featured in the rulebook, etc.
"Advanced" fluff does not sound reasonable and believable. Methinks that just like with 3rd, 4th, and 5th, after talk of big fluff changes we'll only get some slight tweaks, retcons and new areas of emphasis, but no real wholesale changes. Which is fine with me. It's not a story, it's a background.
The Mat Ward rumor gives me pause about the entire batch, because that sounds like the wishes of a pocket of haters on the internet.
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Post by: Alpharius
In my opinion, GW is more likely to advance the background before they would ever think about any 'one book' type of scenario!
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Post by: streamdragon
Ma55ter_fett wrote:I've been thinking of starting an elder army for awhile now though. A big release might just get me started on them.
Same. Cause ya know what I needed? Another 40k army. 
Sasori wrote:streamdragon wrote:Cruddace writes all the books now!
Don't even talk like that.
The proud tradition of "Codex: Go Buy New Models!" shall continue! I can only assume his releases have made more money than Ward's books.
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Post by: gorgon
Why? They'd likely be optional rules...not like we'd necessarily see superheavies, flyers, etc. in normal gaming.
And how many of those supplement books sell after the initial push? I'm guessing darn few. And it doesn't mean they couldn't produce more supplements that expand on the rules in the main book.
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Post by: Swara
All this seems way too much, but I guess we'll have to see. Don't get me wrong, a lot of it sounds nice. Progressing the story line and making Chaos and Xenos more of a threat to the imperium?
Yes please.
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Post by: rabidaskal
It reads like a mission / vision statement for what GW SHOULD do . . . advancing the timeline? Fantastic, we've been teetering on the brink of 41.999 so long that it's become boring, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: Alpharius
Actually, it is all fairly irrelevant, as I'm sure that most of this is someone's idea of a joke - throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.
I think that this thread will soon become a Wishlisting Thread, and the soon after that it will find its way to "40K General Discussions" and then, soon after that, it will drop into oblivion...
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Post by: chaos0xomega
Yeah, I call bs on this. So much of this is self contradictory and not meshing with the way things work in real life. For example of self contradictory "Matt Ward is 5th edition, he's done with 6th yaddayaddayadda" and "Everything since Tyranids has been written for 6th edition." Well, how many of those post Tyranid books has Ward written? I'm pretty sure at least 2 of them are his monstrosities....
As for dropping 3 board members, we would have seen an announcement about that by now I would think. A publicly traded companies board of directors is not something that you can change at the flip of a hat, I'm not 100% on GW's corporate structure, but generally if you're removing members from a board of directors, one of four things is occuring:
1. They are retiring
2. They were voted off by the shareholders
3. They were voted off by the board themselves
4. They sold their stakes in the company
Now, 1 is entirely possible, there could be rumors that 3 of the members are retiring, etc. and we're all just waiting on official statements to be released, but three at the same time seems unlikely.
2 and 3 however... There are shareholders on Dakka, one of them would have probably posted an announcement from a shareholders meeting, etc. that a vote was held to axe 3 members on the part of the shareholders. Likewise, a vote by the board themselves would have resulted in notification to the shareholders by now (unless this happened like yesterday). Additionally, unless GW has a rather bloated board, axing three members could be anywhere from 25% to 50% of the board. It's usually not that easy to vote someone off, let alone three people.
And 4, we would have seen that in the recent financial release if someone bought up such large parts of the company.
In addition to that, the rumored fluff changes fly in the face of pretty much everything. Space Marines (NOT Chaos Marines) are something like 30% of GW's total sales... not just 40k, but Fantasy and LotR, etc. included. To give such a large cash cow the shaft by putting them on the losing foot plus shifting sales focus away from them is a very risky move, and threatens shareholder confidence if it doesn't pan out. Besides that, if everything since nids has been written with 6th in mind, none of the fluff in any of those books seems to suggest the doom and gloom for the Imperium that 6th is supposedly going to be pushing. Seems kinda silly to change up the background so drastically in a new edition, but to not mention anything of the sort in the supplementary works supposedly produced for it. The fact that the original rumor states that "Chaos seems content to just chill out, blah blah blah except for the last black crusade, blah blah blah" is the clearest indicator of bs, IMO. Last I checked, the 13th Black Crusade pretty much takes place at the end of M41. Following the campaign, both sides are going to need to rebuild, which is going to take a rather significant amount of of time. The forces of Chaos simply aren't going to have the manpower to be a potent threat for quite some time afterwards. IIRC, the outcome of EoT was "the Cadian Gate was shattered, but at great expense to the Legions of Chaos, and its unlikely that they will be able to mount a campaign of such size and/or magnitude again anytime soon."
Besides that, Chaos allying with the Imperium? Are you fething kidding me? After all the trouble GW has gone through to make the Imperium and Chaos into one of the strongest rivalries in science fiction history? After all the trouble GW has gone through of updating the Grey Knights... a book about a specialist chapter of marines, and an organization of the Imperium, that exists SPECIFICALLY to eliminate Chaos? RIIIIiiiigggghhhttt....
Now, if any of this is true, I think I'll quit now while the going is good. Why you may ask? Simple, the Sisters are stated to be the 'poster child' for WD codecies... yeah, if thats the poster child then I've lost all faith in GW ability to deliver worthwhile content. I would say I lost faith in their ability to write rules too, but thats been long gone.
There might be a modicum of truth to these rumors, but I think they are being grossly exaggerated and blown drastically out of proportion. Besides that, the supposed source of the rumors isn't what I would exactly call an inside source. The guy works Finecast production... GW's manufacturing division is about as reliable a source for rumors as a red shirt. The only thing they can really tell us is what new minis are upcoming, which in itself is a great boon, but I don't see where a knowledge of fluff changes, and company structure changes comes from. Really, the only part of these rumors I might believe is that Forgeworld might be further integrated into GW. It makes sense if you think about it. GW is doing resin production, they have a great line of resin miniatures in existence already that is supremely overpriced but has a lot of existing demand. If GW starts switching more FW pieces over to Citadel via Finecast they could possibly generate more sales. The alternative is that FW continues as is, but production is moved fully in-house.
This I think hits the nail pretty squarely on the head:
Alpharius wrote:Actually, it is all fairly irrelevant, as I'm sure that most of this is someone's idea of a joke - throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.
This is more or less the same reasoning that gave us the Summer of Flyers rumors. I tried pretty hard to convince people of that fact (since the process of those rumors was a bit more transparent, especially in the sense that the rumor started believable (some new flier kits coming our way), someone speculated that maybe they were planning on doing flyer rules, and then wouldn't you know it Stickmonkey started claiming he had it on good authority that there was an upcoming expansion called 'Summer of Flyers' and that there would be new kits plus dogfighting rules, etc. via WD), but no one listened to me... we all see how that went.
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Post by: Bloodwin
Not fussed about the moving timeline as the Horus Heresy is far more interesting. As for Matt Ward moving on and the general 40k gushing, it might have escaped your notice but the hobbit movie is out next year and GW have the licence. Now I wonder who rewrote the LotR books to do massive battles like the Battle of the Five Armies? I would not be surprised in the least to see that Mr Ward could head the Hobbit game. Also if 40k hits, that would be two boxed sets in one year. Warhammer Fantasy players had best enjoy this winter cos after then they are going to face stiff competition for big release slots.
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Post by: winterman
Other then the ward/board members thing its just a rehash of the BoK rumors. Or is there something I missed while trying to find my box of kosher salt?
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Post by: wyomingfox
winterman wrote:Other then the ward/board members thing its just a rehash of the BoK rumors. Or is there something I missed while trying to find my box of kosher salt?
He rehashed some rumors from Ghost 21 as well.
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Post by: Mad4Minis
I like the sound of pretty much all of that...would be nice to see it play out.
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Post by: ceorron
Ahhhhhh!!11!!1!1 i'm being crushed by a HUGE block of moon size salt.
Talking more seriously, this sounds feasible tbh. Maybe the first rumour I believe about 6th.
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Post by: infinite_array
When we hear something from BoK, or the Eternal Warriors, I believe it.
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Post by: BrookM
I think my kidneys just stopped working after reading the sources of this stuff.
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Post by: BeefCakeSoup
Alpharius wrote:Actually, it is all fairly irrelevant, as I'm sure that most of this is someone's idea of a joke - throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.
I think that this thread will soon become a Wishlisting Thread, and the soon after that it will find its way to "40K General Discussions" and then, soon after that, it will drop into oblivion...
Hmmm.. to trust Alpharius or to not trust him...
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Post by: J.Black
Alpharius wrote:throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.
A very neat analysis as to how BOLS keeps it's traffic numbers up....
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Post by: His Master's Voice
Yeah, let's take an established and well loved IP, with strong, realistic dynamics and turn it into Starcraft 2 like steaming turd. Makes sense! Go for it GW...
Everything else in the OP just pales in comparisons to the ridiculousness of that single idea.
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Post by: ceorron
On second thoughts this is saying a lot of what I want to here and GW never listen to thier fan base so this makes me think this probably isn't true.
Most likely wishlisting by a person who is a fan and wants the samethings I want.
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Post by: Theophony
Totally believable, after all GW has been taking everything positive about the game and ruining it, might as well destroy the timeline in the process too.
Just waiting for that Dallas moment when the CEO wakes up and realizes that 5th ed. Was all just a horrible nightmare and we get back to real chaos armies, models that don't look like bad cartoons,and decent pricing.
Nerd rage vented.
Carry on.
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Post by: MoD_Legion
The whole necron/primarchs returning/void dragon stuff sounds an awefull lot like 'Rise of the Tau'. Anyways, I have enough unfinished models left to last me well untill the supposed release date of 6th so I wont be buying GW any time soon (and I just started with warmachine).
Speculation and rumours are nice and all, but as said before, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Post by: Manchu
I think this belongs in Dakka Fiction ...
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Post by: Noisy_Marine
No I don't like most of these rumors. The part about Chaos Legions coming is nice. The rest ... nah.
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Post by: snake
The WD legion support sounds like a smart way to get a lot of different and characterful warbands rather than packing them all into a codex. Looking forward to the Chaos Legion book and really do hope it comes out in early 2012.
Erm Chaos fighting alongside IoM? Moving to 42nd Millennium? I'll believe these when I see it.
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Post by: Theduke07
Theophony wrote: we get back to real chaos armies models that don't look like bad cartoons
Pick one. All the old models looked like bad cartoons. And what 'real' chaos armies? When chaos was the best-est and made even the hardest armies now looked like a Swedish comped tournament?
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Post by: Avrik_Shasla
I'm calling BS on most of these rumors, fluff wise atleast. Games-workshop has spent more than two decades to construct the rivarly between the Imperium and the Chaos, not to just have them work together ( I mean....come on, they have been at war with each other for more than 10 Millinium), that rumor is bogus.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
The board room members thing alone completely invalidates this.
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Post by: Quintinus
Now here are some other things that are founded in reality: Matt Ward? Gone. Don't expect him to be writing any more Codices.
  it's pretty obvious that all this stuff is fake, but a guy can dream
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Post by: Flashman
Walks in.
Rolls eyes.
Leaves.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I always enjoy a nice piece of fiction, esp. the Mat Ward part 
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Post by: candy.man
I’m treating this email as fiction or a massive exaggeration.
The thing about GW is that they’ve been particularly underhanded in the way they operate ever since 4th edition. Whilst the SOB WD and previous 6th edition rumours show a small vein attempt on GW’s part to fix 40k, the rumours in the original post don’t synch with GW’s underhanded nature and how they operate. I’d probably believe the rumours if they said something like Matt Ward was given a promotion and the Ultramarines were now the most dominant force in the galaxy.
If I could wish that one of the rumours in the original post was fact and not fiction, I’d definitely wish for the “Matt Ward being gone” rumour to be true.
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Post by: Absolutionis
I used up all my salt with the rather-believable "Summer of Flyers" rumors. It's better just to outright disbelieve this wish-list.
BoK and BolS have become the wish-listing tabloids of the wargaming world.
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Post by: IdentifyZero
whitedragon wrote:So...if Chaos allies with the Imperium to fight Necrons....then what will the Blood Angels do? They are like best friends with the Necrons right?
well you c, Dante's necron broz nevr call him back but he hear Abbadon was lookin 4 new broz and Dante was like yo abz can we chill 2gether? Now they share a Bromance together in the style only two 'heterosexual' men can.
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Post by: Compel
I'm guessing the board members thing has come from wild mass extrapolation of the (if I'm half remembering correctly) recent financial statement where a couple of the top cheese mentioning that they're thinking about retiring in the not distant future, been working there for X many decades etc...
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Post by: Reecius
I HOPE Ward is gone or contained. He shot his creative wad with Space marines. That was a great book. Everything else has been terrible.
I also HOPE that whoever has been responsible for some of these terrible decisions GW has been making leaves and they get some new blood in to bring GW into modern times.
I think advancing the storyline, slowly, is a great idea. It keeps things fresh, and without major changes really doesn't alter the status quo much.
We'll see.
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Post by: -Loki-
Reecius wrote:I HOPE Ward is gone or contained. He shot his creative wad with Space marines. That was a great book. Everything else has been terrible.
He's better than Cruddace, whose 40k codex lineup has been - terrible, but with so many options packed in some of them had to make up a good list, and fluff copy/pasted from 2nd edition. Then terrible with no options at all, and fluff rewritten because he decided he didn't like the good fluff.
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Post by: JOHIRA
I think advancing the 40K timeline is about as likely as a significant across the board price cut.
At this point actually I'd be a bit worried to see any huge changes at GW. I'd be worried they were a last-ditch effort to stop a failing company from going completely down the tubes.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out. I don't care what anything else says, or even if I am out of context about the Void Dragon, I just want it fielded!!!!
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Post by: JoeyHeadwounds
Things in this that I'm interested in, and what I think of them.
1."Chaos Legions by March 1012".
This I think could be possible, but I have to wonder if it's just a rehash of what the rest of the rumor mill has been saying. Also have to like how it was posted as 1012, instead of 2012.
2."Fluff changes. (prepare for heavy summary) We're moving on from the 41st millenium into the 42nd. Yup. Here's the rumor: mankind's days are really waning. They're heading down the crapper fast and xenos, especially Necrons, are coming into quite the threat. Well, mankind just doesn't have the power, and now Necrons are threatening Chaos, and the Chaos forces are like 'well wtf guyz'. So, Chaos has to fight across the galaxy against the enemies that mankind were fighting against, perhaps even allying with loyalist forces against a common foe. This will be expanded on in the coming Codices, including Necron and Chaos Legions, which should set up for the big fluff change in 6th edition. Some of the rest sounded more like wish, opinion, and extrapolation; Void Dragon coming up, Primarchs coming back, Emperor's descendants being found by an unnamed portion of the Imperium in order to fight the Void Dragon, etc etc..."
There is just so much bull in this I don't even know where to start.There are things here that could be true, such as the Necrons being more of a threat, but the part where Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines team up... not gonna happen.
Any truth to this portion could be in the Necron Codex when it comes out supposedly before the end of the year...
3."5th edition has been the edition for the Imperium. Imperial Guard, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and of course Space Marines have all gotten Codices, and Black Templar and Dark Angels have been FAQ'd to match up. The only xenos forces we've seen have been Orks (which were technically still 4th edition), Tyranids, and Dark Eldar. And now Sisters of Battle are going to be covered. That leaves Tau, Orks (since they weren't really in 5th), Eldar, Chaos Marines, Necrons, and Chaos Daemons left to be covered. NONE of those are imperial forces, so it almost seems like they've been stacking the deck so that they can put a heavier focus on the xenos, which is a prime opportunity to advance the fluff. By advancing the fluff through xenos codices, they can then re-glorify the imperial forces by updating them further into 6th edition after they've figured all that stuff out".
Ok, this kind of makes since, so it could be believable. There are bitz of truth in here I think, but only time will tell.
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Post by: CT GAMER
His Master's Voice wrote:realistic dynamics
I LOL'd
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Post by: Guildsman
I can't believe this. These rumors are so contrary to everything that GW has been doing for the last few years, it isn't even funny. Ward gone? Substantial number of board members gone? Space marines losing power? Why don't you just throw in a comprehensive, across the board price decrease while you're at it? If these changes happen, I will literally eat the computer I'm typing this on.
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Post by: Jwalker52
The space marine might just kill off all the necrons and all the Xenos, then the all the choas gods will spontanuesly combust, just as likely as all the space marine wanning crap.
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Post by: nels1031
The only thing I believe out of this collection of rumors is making superheavies and fliers playable in standard games as well as making Forgeworld stuff "official". It just makes perfect business sense to me.
The fluff changes remind me of the rumored "Blood Angels will fall to chaos in this edition and the overal story arc will progress" that we heard a few editions ago.
The corporate shuffling sounds like a load of bull and some of it is flat out erroneous.
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Post by: aka_mythos
NELS1031 wrote:The only thing I believe out of this collection of rumors is making superheavies and fliers playable in standard games as well as making Forgeworld stuff "official". It just makes perfect business sense to me.
GW may be pushing it agenda of friendly play that was a strong part of Apocalypse, but bring it down to the standard 40k scope; I'm inclined to believe if its in the book it'll just be an optional, less competitive rule set.
What I want to see is a well developed rule set for low point cost games... as it is the rules don't do enough to support sub-thousand point games as well as they could. The low point game is important if GW wants to draw people into the game without putting out a $400 set with enough points to actually play.
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Post by: sennacherib
I dont believe a word of it. this sounds like a load of horse puckie.
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Post by: Kingsley
Mixture of fluff rumors that we've all heard before-- the Void Dragon coming back thing has been a rumor since 2008, if not earlier-- fanservice (people love to hate Mat Ward, but his books are good), and nonsense (superheavies in normal games? FW models always legal?), with remarkably little actual substance. Massive grain of salt here.
Also, if FW models are legal in normal games, the game will be completely and utterly broken. Bring on the Land Raider Achilles, Hades Breaching Drills, and Lucius/Deathstorm Drop Pods!
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Post by: ph34r
These rumors are a bit much to take! I feel like our newest orkmoticon is appropriate here 
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
If you're going to invent some random rumours you could at least make them plausible... here's mine:
1. Across the board points drop to encourage bigger armies (have you seen our new models???)
2. Rules giving in-game benefits to bigger units (again, have you seen our new models???)
3. Interactive terrain (did we show you all this new terrain we want you to buy???)
4. First supplement to allow for mad-as-a-box-of-badgers games with huge and powerful stuff available to all (did we show you these new generic big kits???)
Oh wait, that was WFB 8th, they won't make that mistake again
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Post by: Cryonicleech
Wow... too bad Storm of Magic was actually a good supplement and is really better than the internet hyperbole and the tons of people who like to bash on WFB because they think the game is undeniably broken past the point of redemption despite either not having played the system or horribly overreacting...
Anyway, back on point...
Generic wishlist thread is generic. Why don't they let the Imperium team up with 'nids to save all life from the 'Crons?
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Post by: Ozymandias
Sasori wrote:
I'd be very surprised if Mat Ward is gone. His Codexs have been a huge success in terms of sales and he writes good rules.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha... 
Are you thinking of the same Mat Ward as I am??
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Post by: Marrak
Cryonicleech wrote:Generic wishlist thread is generic. Why don't they let the Imperium team up with 'nids to save all life from the 'Crons?
 Don't you dare give them this idea! It was bad enough that the Necrons and Blood Angels fought side by side, 'bro-fisted, then went their separate ways.
On the other side of the coin, the least likely thing about this rumor is about Matt Ward. His books, while heavily debated for their fluff, usually have good options and multiple builds. Cruddace (and for the life of me I used to defend the Nid codex...) gave such obvious favoritism to his IG and then destroyed the Nids rulewise (fluff was alright); as I understand it, Sisters look to be falling into a similar trap. Some very cool unit ideas with absolutely horrid rules to back them up, leading to a wide range of options but few actual valid choices in slots. Either options were so good it became a non-issue (Hive Guard, Tervigons) or they were so terrible they left everyone who read them in utter loss on when they would ever be used (Pyrovores, Rippers).
Not saying Ward doesn't have his issues, but his books are at least competitive in a real sense.
Last note... this is some nice thoughts, but honestly? Wishlisting at best. I'm going to go drink some water to get rid of all the salt.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
Cryonicleech wrote:Wow... too bad Storm of Magic was actually a good supplement and is really better than the internet hyperbole and the tons of people who like to bash on WFB because they think the game is undeniably broken past the point of redemption despite either not having played the system or horribly overreacting...
Anyway, back on point...
Apologies for apparent offence - my point was that regardless of the quality of WFB 8th rules and/or Storm of Magic rules the whole project smacks of being written to sell more stuff - whether the rules are good or not is irrelevant to the GW suits.
GW Exec: We need to sell more - make it so people need more stuff to play
Designer: Hey, I've created some great terrain pieces
GW Exec: give them rules, people will be more likely to buy them!
Designer: err, ok. I've also made these cool new monsters
GW Exec: make sure every army can have them, then. We must sell loads!!!
etc...
I feel sure whatever people's ideas are for 40k 6th a similar conversation will be held in an office in Nottingham 
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Post by: His Master's Voice
CT GAMER wrote:His Master's Voice wrote:realistic dynamics
I LOL'd
Lol all you want, a world defined by xenophobia, fear and absolute disregard for the human (or otherwise) life is realistic. Or at least as realistic as a piece of fiction can be.
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Post by: Snord
Chimera_Calvin wrote:Apologies for apparent offence - my point was that regardless of the quality of WFB 8th rules and/or Storm of Magic rules the whole project smacks of being written to sell more stuff - whether the rules are good or not is irrelevant to the GW suits.
I wonder if we'll ever reach a point when people on discussion forums realise that this comment adds nothing to a discussion.
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Post by: Sasori
Ozymandias wrote:Sasori wrote:
I'd be very surprised if Mat Ward is gone. His Codexs have been a huge success in terms of sales and he writes good rules.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...
Are you thinking of the same Mat Ward as I am??
I've been over this a few times, but his rules ARE good, and in line where they should be. While sometimes(Often), the wording can be a bit poor, they are still competitive, and flexible without being to powerful. His fluff has no excuse though. It just seems like there is a big "Mat Ward Hate" Bandwagon that goes around.
His rules are solid, and all of his codexs have been in the the middle of the "power" bracket, unlike Robin Cruddance who wrote the IG book and the Tyranid book which are considered the strongest, and weakest books respectively.
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Post by: Ledabot
This seems kind of what I was expecting for thing to go anyway, but I can’t see them getting rid of ward, He's too good for them. Every dex he's wrote has been very successful. Anyway, I staying tuned.
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Post by: Ian Sturrock
The rules writers are far less of an issue than the apparent total lack of playtesting. :( A rules writer with a good sense of balance can do a reasonable job of guessing, estimating, and/or intuiting the correct balance in the first draft, but the number of turkey codices just indicates that the far more important work of developing the initial drafts through the test-iterate-test-iterate cycle is not being done at all.
I guess I'll see how the balance goes in 6th, and hold on to my tyranids till it is released, but once it is, any armies I have that remain sub-par are going on eBay. Chaos Marines are going there already, much as I love 'em...
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Post by: supremeoverlordVECT
FalkorsRaiders wrote:All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out.
FW already has a void dragon..or somwthing like that.. And its not a necron vehicle vut eldar/dark eldar vehicle...a pretty big one,too.
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Post by: BrookM
supremeoverlordVECT wrote:FalkorsRaiders wrote:All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out.
FW already has a void dragon..or somwthing like that.. And its not a necron vehicle vut eldar/dark eldar vehicle...a pretty big one,too.
He is referring to the Necron god, not a flyer..
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Post by: thenoobbomb
supremeoverlordVECT wrote:FalkorsRaiders wrote:All I read in that stuff was "Void Dragon", and thats all I care for. Either the Void Dragon better be a new piece for Necrons, or an Adeptus Mechanicus army better come out.
FW already has a void dragon..or somwthing like that.. And its not a necron vehicle vut eldar/dark eldar vehicle...a pretty big one,too.
Im going to slap you in the face!
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Post by: Evil Lamp 6
BoLS wrote:Now here are some other things that are founded in reality: Matt Ward? Gone. Don't expect him to be writing any more Codices. His baby was 5th edition, and now that 5th edition is up, Ward is done.
BoLS wrote:Everything since Tyranids? Made for 6th edition.
Now I'm no logic man, but those statements seem just a little contradictory.
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Post by: Warboss Gutrip
If Imperium ever ally with Chaos, I will nerdrage.
More Xenos attention sounds good though.
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Post by: htj
Well, I'll believe it when I see it, and not a second sooner. These are some pretty outlandish claims, after all.
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Post by: endtransmission
The advancing storyline, while it would be great, is unlikely as the same rumour has appeared before every edition of 40k. I remember hearing all about how the Emperor was going to die and the IoM crumble before 3rd edition was released.
As for the IoM and Chaos Legions fighting side by side? Don't be rediculous! That'd be like an Empire army summoning Bloodletters in Warhammer... oh wait.
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Post by: SkaerKrow
This is the biggest load of horse excrement that I have ever seen.
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Post by: ChiliPowderKeg
Wow, these rumors are quite-
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Post by: Puscifer
Thats the first time I've read that article, but I also heard very similar things about 3-4 months ago.
Moving the Timeline ahead was the big one, but not likely to happen. Making 6th ed the focus of everything but the Imperium was the other and is likely to happen.
The culmination of the end of times (mankind's last stand) and all it's enemies closing in for the kill was definitely mentioned, as was the waning hours of the Eldar, the full rise of the Tau, mass return of the Necrons, Chaos finally bursting through from the EoT and more Tyranid fleets.
The only things I heard rules wise about the book was that there will be only one rulebook with rules for CoD, Apoc and Planetstrike included and that special characters will be a big focus on the way games are played.
Also another "grade" of character far beyond that of regular HQs and Special Characters.
I didn't think anything of it when he told me, but to have this info come out after what I had heard and seeing as though I only read stuff on Dakka for GW news, seems to be a bit more than coincidence.
But as for Chaos Legions, I heard September-December 2012 after 6th ed and being the first new dex of 6th ed.
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Post by: Battle Brother Ambrosius
Chaos allying with the IoM is just... wrong. After all these years, they give us this...
(7th edition: Chaos: HUG KISS PET! HUG KISS PET!
IoM: For the glory of the carebears! Use your water guns!)
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Post by: shoggoth
Wouldn't it more likely be the Orcs teaming up with the space marines, I was told the Old ones created the Orks to combat the Necrons?
or am i wrong?
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:
I'd like a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic army. It would always tie so that no one's feelings would be hurt. I would also always field Derpy Hooves, even if it was the worst HQ ever.
Back on topic:
I would love Necrons to play a bigger role, and I'm hoping Matt Ward does a nice job with them, but to believe he is going to finish his 40k run with Necrons? I'm calling BS on that. Automatically Appended Next Post: shoggoth wrote:Wouldn't it more likely be the Orcs teaming up with the space marines, I was told the Old ones created the Orks to combat the Necrons?
or am i wrong?
All I know is that if orks get guass weaponry, we are all doomed.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
FalkorsRaiders wrote:I'd like a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic army.
That's actually Warmachine's equivalent of the WHFB Fishmen running gag.
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
lord_blackfang wrote:FalkorsRaiders wrote:I'd like a My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic army.
That's actually Warmachine's equivalent of the WHFB Fishmen running gag.
I was being quite serious, but if Warmachine is getting My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, I'm jumping ship to privateer press now. sorry GW, shoulda had more ponies.
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Post by: Ouze
Alpharius wrote:Actually, it is all fairly irrelevant, as I'm sure that most of this is someone's idea of a joke - throw stuff at wall, see what sticks, see what I can get the Internet to believe, etc.
I think that this thread will soon become a Wishlisting Thread, and the soon after that it will find its way to "40K General Discussions" and then, soon after that, it will drop into oblivion...
Another rumor I heard was that Necrons will no longer engage in combat with other races, but will instead harness the power of expressive dance.
Take it with a pinch of salt though.
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Post by: Murenius
Since I just started CSM I'll be happy if new stuff comes, but only if they keep all the old models.
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Post by: Grakmar
NEW YORK (Wall Street Journal) - A surprising string of announcements have wrecked havoc on Wall Street today.
It all started with an announcement by Games Workshop Group (GAW). They stated, in a press release, that they are going to throw out their traditional business plan and simply cave into whatever the internet wanted. When asked for comment, Games Workshop CEO, Mark Wells, had this to say:
"We at Games Workshop have spent the last 35 years employing a large number of business experts who would research market conditions to determine the direction our company should go. They've helped guide our company to dominate our industry for many years. However, doing things like employing experienced personnel and conducting market research requires significant resources. So, to cut back on costs, we've fired everyone in the company with a business major and are simply using random fan websites to shape our business model."
After this press release, Games Workshop stock took a heavy nosedive. But, a few hours later, Goldman Sachs (GS) made a similar announcement. They were firing all of their analysts and traders, and simply relying on Google's trending topics to decide what to invest in. This immediately caused both Games Workshop and Goldman Sachs stock prices to rise dramatically, each more than tripling in price in only half an hour. Some experts argue that this was due to Goldman Sachs's new policy and the internet talking about the press releases so heavily, rather than an actual increase in the value of these companies.
But, the trend to let the internet decide how to run your business has been spreading rapidly. Microsoft Corporation (MSFT) recently announced that they would fix the RROD problem, and would make their XBox Live service free. This was followed by Newscorp (NWS) announcing that they were bringing back Firefly. The Recording Industry Association of America is expected to announce later today that they will no longer prosecute anyone for music piracy.
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Post by: pretre
Grakmar wrote:NEW YORK (Wall Street Journal) - A surprising string of announcements have wrecked havoc on Wall Street today.
You win!
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Post by: Mr Mystery
What a load of twaddle.
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Post by: Orion_44
Yeah, unless Jervis Johnson died and I missed the memo there is no way that they are advancing the timeline. Official view in the studio is that 40k is a historical setting not something that can advance.
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Post by: Mr Mystery
Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
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Post by: thenoobbomb
shoggoth wrote:Wouldn't it more likely be the Orcs teaming up with the space marines, I was told the Old ones created the Orks to combat the Necrons?
or am i wrong?
Orks actually team up when they are Deathskulls or mercenaries, but they werent created by the Old Ones, unless the Old Ones are noe Snotlings.
No, Orks are created by the Brainboyz.
@Orion_44 Luckily, Lord Jervis Johnson is alive, being summoned to write a column in the WD.
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Post by: Puscifer
Mr Mystery wrote:Suffice to say, if any of this is actually true, then clearly Elvis is hiding behind my left testicle, and Lord Lucan behind the right.
Sigging that.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, time to move this out of NEWS & RUMORS...
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Post by: Cryonicleech
Chimera_Calvin wrote:Cryonicleech wrote:Wow... too bad Storm of Magic was actually a good supplement and is really better than the internet hyperbole and the tons of people who like to bash on WFB because they think the game is undeniably broken past the point of redemption despite either not having played the system or horribly overreacting...
Anyway, back on point...
Apologies for apparent offence - my point was that regardless of the quality of WFB 8th rules and/or Storm of Magic rules the whole project smacks of being written to sell more stuff - whether the rules are good or not is irrelevant to the GW suits.
GW Exec: We need to sell more - make it so people need more stuff to play
Designer: Hey, I've created some great terrain pieces
GW Exec: give them rules, people will be more likely to buy them!
Designer: err, ok. I've also made these cool new monsters
GW Exec: make sure every army can have them, then. We must sell loads!!!
etc...
Eh, fair point. You're absolutely right in that they're just trying to push models, but the rules aren't necessarily utter crap, and I've seen such nonsense coming from people who haven't even played the game...
I feel sure whatever people's ideas are for 40k 6th a similar conversation will be held in an office in Nottingham
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Post by: Ascalam
thenoobbomb wrote:shoggoth wrote:Wouldn't it more likely be the Orcs teaming up with the space marines, I was told the Old ones created the Orks to combat the Necrons?
or am i wrong?
Orks actually team up when they are Deathskulls or mercenaries, but they werent created by the Old Ones, unless the Old Ones are noe Snotlings.
No, Orks are created by the Brainboyz.
@Orion_44 Luckily, Lord Jervis Johnson is alive, being summoned to write a column in the WD.
According to the Necron codex the Orks (Krork back then) were created by the Old Ones, along with just about every other sentient race in the Galaxy. I'd assume that the Old Ones also created the Brainboyz to lead them I miss Snotling swarmbases :(
That said, I remember the days when Squigs were a tyranid vanguard creature and Nid armies could take Squig Swarms
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Post by: Cerebrium
So many pinches of salt, I've desiccated like a raisin.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
FalkorsRaiders wrote:I was being quite serious, but if Warmachine is getting My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, I'm jumping ship to privateer press now. sorry GW, shoulda had more ponies.
Privateer Press actually published a playtest list for them at one time. Their warlock's main attack was Sparklepocalypse.
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Post by: Brother Coa
Uh.......
Chaos and IoM together?
The galaxy is doomed....
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Post by: FalkorsRaiders
lord_blackfang wrote:FalkorsRaiders wrote:I was being quite serious, but if Warmachine is getting My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic, I'm jumping ship to privateer press now. sorry GW, shoulda had more ponies.
Privateer Press actually published a playtest list for them at one time. Their warlock's main attack was Sparklepocalypse.
You better not be sh* tt* ng me, or my next 4 hours will be a waste of time looking for said document.
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Post by: chaos0xomega
He ain't gaking you, try checking on their old forums.
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