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The Imperial Palace
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and the Sanctum Imperialis
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Post by: Coolyo294
+1 to the Imperial Palace.
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Post by: Blacksails
Well it does have some superb plot shielding, that's for sure. It might be the biggist as well, not sure. Though the biggest would be the Imperial Palace.
In short, the Imperial Palace.
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Post by: terranarc
Medrengard
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Post by: Lynata
The Fang, obviously. 
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Post by: daveNYC
Biggest: Imperial Palace
Tallest: The Fang
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Post by: Coolyo294
terranarc wrote:Medrengard
1) Medrengard is a planet, not a fortress
2) Medrengard is not an Imperial world.
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Post by: Psienesis
Earth.
The defenses for this Fortress-Shrine-World begin somewhere at the orbital ring of Jupiter, and only get heavier the closer you get to Terrra. It even has its own Fortress-Forge-World playing doorman, as you have to get past Mars to get to Earth.
While the Fang is certainly a formidable fortress, it pales in comparison to the fact that the entire planet of Holy Terra is defended by a Segmentum's worth of military force.
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Post by: BeefCakeSoup
Biggest and best is the Imperial Palace.
Plus it has something like 10,000 Custodes defending it... yeah... GL HF - No Thanks!
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Post by: Platuan4th
BeefCakeSoup wrote:Biggest and best is the Imperial Palace.
Plus it has something like 10,000 Custodes defending it... yeah... GL HF - No Thanks!
Have fun storming the castle!
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Post by: happygolucky
Sanctuary 101  .
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Post by: black templar
Sanctum Imperialis The emperor is in there its the most sacred and most defened area in the imperium.
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Post by: Cain
Definiaty the Imperial Palace, agree with all palace statements above.
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Post by: Darthslowe
I'm going to have to throw in a vote for the Rock. The Rock is the remnants of the world Caliban. It only survived the bombardement of the entire Dark Angels fleet because of its force shields (which implies that the shields are pretty awesome). It also houses the entire Dark Angels chapter, arguably the bestest chapter in existence (at least my favorite; I like the dresses their company vets wear).
Essentially, I think the Rock can be considered the best fortress in 40k that isn't also a planet.
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Post by: Cain
Oh yea and GK moon is in the same sector still within range of the defences of earth Automatically Appended Next Post: Darthslowe wrote:I'm going to have to throw in a vote for the Rock. The Rock is the remnants of the world Caliban. It only survived the bombardement of the entire Dark Angels fleet because of its force shields (which implies that the shields are pretty awesome). It also houses the entire Dark Angels chapter, arguably the bestest chapter in existence (at least my favorite; I like the dresses their company vets wear).
Essentially, I think the Rock can be considered the best fortress in 40k that isn't also a planet.
Not to say that I'm a big fan of DA but have to add that no one can find the rock but other DA
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Post by: Brother Coa
Holly Terra....
The reason: it was never attacked after the Heresy because even the Necrons and Tyranids would suck Imperial d*** if they try to get it down...
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Post by: Deadshot
The Palce.It survived a full few legions' assault,including the Iron Warriors.It has 10000 Custodes guarding it,Space Marines who could rip Calgar a new one without trying,the orbital fleets from Jupiter,The GK on Saturn's Moon,the Daddy Forge World,Mars,who have enough Titan's to rip Nurgle a new one,and the palace itslef,and has 2 warhounds for good measure.
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Post by: English Assassin
coolyo294 wrote:terranarc wrote:Medrengard
1) Medrengard is a planet, not a fortress
2) Medrengard is not an Imperial world.
1) Medrengard is described as a "fortress-world" which covers both options.
2) All worlds belong to the Imperium.
The Imperial Palace on Terra is nevertheless still the most appropriate answer to the question, however.
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Post by: Coolyo294
English Assassin wrote:coolyo294 wrote:terranarc wrote:Medrengard
1) Medrengard is a planet, not a fortress
2) Medrengard is not an Imperial world.
1) Medrengard is described as a "fortress-world" which covers both options.
2) All worlds belong to the Imperium.
Unless it's in the Eye of Terror and controlled by the Iron Warriors.
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Post by: English Assassin
coolyo294 wrote:Unless it's in the Eye of Terror and controlled by the Iron Warriors.
I think you have utterly missed the point.
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Post by: Kanluwen
English Assassin wrote:coolyo294 wrote:Unless it's in the Eye of Terror and controlled by the Iron Warriors.
I think you have utterly missed the point.
You're also missing the point that "Fortress World" is a designator thrown out to a lot of planets.
Cadia is a Fortress World. Morlond is a Fortress World.
It does not mean the planet is one giant fortress. It means it's a world that is heavily fortified and constantly garrisoned with Guard regiments.
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Post by: Harriticus
1.) Terra. With stuff like the Imperial Palace, Luna Space Fortress, vast orbital defenses, the Inquisitorial HQ Fortress, and so on the entire planet is a massively populated fortress.
2.) Mars
3.) Cadia
4) The 4 other Segmentum Fortresses: Bakka, Kar Duniash, Cypra Mundi, Hydraphur.
5.) Macragge
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Post by: Arturius
Brother Coa wrote:
Holly Terra....
The reason: it was never attacked after the Heresy because even the Necrons and Tyranids would suck Imperial d*** if they try to get it down...
It was, though. (By humans, granted, but still.) Reign of Blood and all.
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Post by: LumenPraebeo
You're all wrong, the Imperial Palace is not a fortress, it's actually a giant of an Emperor Class Titan, and it's body is half of Terra, with the Emperors Golden Throne Chamber as the cockpit. If Terra falls under siege, it will transform from a fortress into The Emperors-Emperor Titan, it has guns the size of mountains and can shoot missiles and plasma the size of meteors.
The earth will light ablaze and all life on Terra will die. The Emperor Titan will shoot laser out of its eyes powerful enough to cause exterminatus, and drop nuclear bombs out of its arse, it will eat other titans to fuel its engines and burp melta-fire. Then its feet will turn into rockets and it flies around the universe destroying all in it's path.
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Post by: Lord Rogukiel
LumenPraebeo wrote:You're all wrong, the Imperial Palace is not a fortress, it's actually a giant of an Emperor Class Titan, and it's body is half of Terra, with the Emperors Golden Throne Chamber as the cockpit. If Terra falls under siege, it will transform from a fortress into The Emperors-Emperor Titan, it has guns the size of mountains and can shoot missiles and plasma the size of meteors.
The earth will light ablaze and all life on Terra will die. The Emperor Titan will shoot laser out of its eyes powerful enough to cause exterminatus, and drop nuclear bombs out of its arse, it will eat other titans to fuel its engines and burp melta-fire. Then its feet will turn into rockets and it flies around the universe destroying all in it's path.
Wtf?
I beg to differ against whoever says that all worlds are Imperial. Maybe some crazed Imperium fanatic would think so, but anyone with a mind capable of processing information logically would see that its completely false. The eye of terror worlds, the Tau empire, the Exodite worlds but to name a few which are most definately not Imperial worlds.
OT: As much as I like the Rock due my playing DA, I think other fortressess do have much more plot armour. As for the best, probably the Imperial Palace.
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Post by: Soladrin
Imperial Palace, really no competition here.
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Post by: terranarc
Kanluwen wrote:English Assassin wrote:coolyo294 wrote:Unless it's in the Eye of Terror and controlled by the Iron Warriors.
I think you have utterly missed the point.
You're also missing the point that "Fortress World" is a designator thrown out to a lot of planets.
Cadia is a Fortress World. Morlond is a Fortress World.
It does not mean the planet is one giant fortress. It means it's a world that is heavily fortified and constantly garrisoned with Guard regiments.
I don't think you realize that Medrengard IS one giant fortress. It has litterally been tunneled and hollowed out completely. There are nothing but towering monolithic gun spikes all over. There are oceans, there are no mountains as it is no longer a "planet" by any means.
Think, The Rock, but on a larger scale. Much larger. Which, btw, would also qualify as a fortress for the purpose of this thread.
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Post by: Coolyo294
No, on Medrengard there are big stretches of wasteland with nothing on them. Clearly the whole planet isn't a fortress.
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Post by: Soladrin
terranarc wrote:Kanluwen wrote:English Assassin wrote:coolyo294 wrote:Unless it's in the Eye of Terror and controlled by the Iron Warriors.
I think you have utterly missed the point.
You're also missing the point that "Fortress World" is a designator thrown out to a lot of planets.
Cadia is a Fortress World. Morlond is a Fortress World.
It does not mean the planet is one giant fortress. It means it's a world that is heavily fortified and constantly garrisoned with Guard regiments.
I don't think you realize that Medrengard IS one giant fortress. It has litterally been tunneled and hollowed out completely. There are nothing but towering monolithic gun spikes all over. There are oceans, there are no mountains as it is no longer a "planet" by any means.
Think, The Rock, but on a larger scale. Much larger. Which, btw, would also qualify as a fortress for the purpose of this thread.
And that doesn't fix the problem of it not being in the Imperium.
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Post by: TechMarine1
[quote=Platuan4th
Have fun storming the castle!
Bye Bye, boys!!
But, yeah, my vote has to be on the Imperial Palace.
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Post by: terranarc
Soladrin wrote:terranarc wrote:Kanluwen wrote:English Assassin wrote:coolyo294 wrote:Unless it's in the Eye of Terror and controlled by the Iron Warriors.
I think you have utterly missed the point.
You're also missing the point that "Fortress World" is a designator thrown out to a lot of planets.
Cadia is a Fortress World. Morlond is a Fortress World.
It does not mean the planet is one giant fortress. It means it's a world that is heavily fortified and constantly garrisoned with Guard regiments.
I don't think you realize that Medrengard IS one giant fortress. It has litterally been tunneled and hollowed out completely. There are nothing but towering monolithic gun spikes all over. There are oceans, there are no mountains as it is no longer a "planet" by any means.
Think, The Rock, but on a larger scale. Much larger. Which, btw, would also qualify as a fortress for the purpose of this thread.
And that doesn't fix the problem of it not being in the Imperium.
Touche.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
When it is finished, Teh Grate Wall Of Spase will be the greatest fortress in the Galaxy, surrounding the entire Eye Of Terror.
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Post by: happygolucky
English Assassin wrote:coolyo294 wrote:terranarc wrote:Medrengard
1) Medrengard is a planet, not a fortress 2) Medrengard is not an Imperial world.
1) Medrengard is described as a "fortress-world" which covers both options. 2) All worlds belong to the Imperium. The Imperial Palace on Terra is nevertheless still the most appropriate answer to the question, however.
*Ahem* 2) All worlds belong to the warp. Still I believe that sanctuary 101 is the best ( lol).
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Post by: Botten3
I personally think the Fang because it's in a mountain, the biggest mountain in Fenris to be exact
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Post by: Small, Far Away
Terra. Or, the Sol System.
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Post by: Melissia
Terra or Cadia. Automatically Appended Next Post: Botten3 wrote:I personally think the Fang because it's in a mountain, the biggest mountain in Fenris to be exact
The Imperial Citadel on Holy Terra takes up the entire eurasian continent.
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Post by: Ridealgh
I think it's the fortress Monastery On Prometheus (Nocturnes moon and home to the Salamanders). It's got a HUGE orbital defence cannon that could easily take down a Battle barge in one shot.
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Post by: Dark Apostle 666
Terra has to win. Frankly there's not much else that comes even close...
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Post by: Psienesis
LumenPraebeo wrote:You're all wrong, the Imperial Palace is not a fortress, it's actually a giant of an Emperor Class Titan, and it's body is half of Terra, with the Emperors Golden Throne Chamber as the cockpit. If Terra falls under siege, it will transform from a fortress into The Emperors-Emperor Titan, it has guns the size of mountains and can shoot missiles and plasma the size of meteors.
The earth will light ablaze and all life on Terra will die. The Emperor Titan will shoot laser out of its eyes powerful enough to cause exterminatus, and drop nuclear bombs out of its arse, it will eat other titans to fuel its engines and burp melta-fire. Then its feet will turn into rockets and it flies around the universe destroying all in it's path.
Actually, I think you're slightly off. The Palace is just the head, see...
And instead of Lions, it's Aquilas.
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Post by: timmyurma
I didnt say in the imperium but the fang gets my vote for the punch it delivers for the size of it
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Post by: Deadshot
This should be a poll.
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Post by: Soladrin
timmyurma wrote:I didnt say in the imperium but the fang gets my vote for the punch it delivers for the size of it
Look at the topic name... which you made?
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Post by: Ridealgh
Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Terra has to win. Frankly there's not much else that comes even close...
Terra isn't a fortress though. It's just guarded by a couple of thousands of Titan Legions
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Post by: timmyurma
i didnt say it had to be in the imperium
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well how do i make a poll
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hi guys enter the poll i made
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Post by: Soladrin
Ridealgh wrote:Dark Apostle 666 wrote:Terra has to win. Frankly there's not much else that comes even close...
Terra isn't a fortress though. It's just guarded by a couple of Titan Legions
Have you read any part of this thread?
And OP no need to spam.
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Post by: Lord Rogukiel
timmyurma wrote:i didnt say it had to be in the imperium
This is your title: What the biggist and best fortress in the imperium ?
Ergo, as implied by the title above, only fortresses in the imperium count.
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Post by: huntho21
Ok so look at it like this. The imperial palace fell. Macragegot pwned.cadia can be bypassed. The fang held out against allmost all of the thousand sons and a primarch with one great company and the aettguard. For me th fang wins hands down. (Btw soz about the spelling I'm on my phone)
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Post by: Soladrin
huntho21 wrote:Ok so look at it like this. The imperial palace fell. Macragegot pwned.cadia can be bypassed. The fang held out against allmost all of the thousand sons and a primarch with one great company and the aettguard. For me th fang wins hands down. (Btw soz about the spelling I'm on my phone)
The armies facing both Terra and Cadia outclass those on the fang about a 100 times though...
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Post by: Melissia
Indeed they did.
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Post by: huntho21
Point taken.
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Post by: chaoslooksgood
Terra.
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Post by: iproxtaco
The Emperor's Palace. There is no competition.
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Post by: Spartan 117
In probable order:
1. Terra
2. Macragge
3. Cadia
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Post by: Commissar Typhus
Terra by a longshot
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Post by: Melissia
Spartan 117 wrote:In probable order:
1. Terra
2. Macragge
3. Cadia
Oh hell no. Macragge is far less fortified than Cadia. Goes more like this: Terra ... ... Cadia ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Macragge. Hell, Fenris is probably above Macragge.
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Post by: Brother Coa
Spartan 117 wrote:In probable order:
1. Terra
2. Macragge
3. Cadia
Why is Cadia beneath Macragge? And this should go like this: 1. Terra 2. Mars 3. Cadia 4. Cypra Mundi 5. West Hydraphur 6. East Kar Duniash 7. Bakka 8. Macragge 9. The Fang 10. Ball But this is my opinion dough...
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Post by: Deadshot
Do you mean Baal in No.10?
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Post by: biccat
I'd say the Blackstone fortresses. There's one still around Cadia, IIRC. Which is technically "in" the Imperium.
If you're talking about Imperial fortresses, it would have to be the Imperial Palace.
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Post by: Platuan4th
biccat wrote:I'd say the Blackstone fortresses. There's one still around Cadia, IIRC. Which is technically "in" the Imperium.
You do not recall correctly. Eldrad sacrificed himself to destroy that one.
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Post by: TechMarine1
What about the Tower of Angels (aka: The Rock)
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Post by: Asherian Command
Terra. defending against legions of space marines is no easy feat.
And they still won?
Terra is massive and has a fortress around a fortress that has another fortress. Hell the systems around terra are Fortress systems too.
Then another one. Then Another one. Then another one.
YEah try and getting to terra is like trying to run a 100,000 year light year marathon in SPACE. With no technology except your breather and your freaking rocket boots.
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Post by: Soladrin
Brother Coa wrote:Spartan 117 wrote:In probable order:
1. Terra
2. Macragge
3. Cadia
Why is Cadia beneath Macragge?
And this should go like this:
1. Terra
2. Mars
3. Cadia
4. Cypra Mundi
5. West Hydraphur
6. East Kar Duniash
7. Bakka
8. Macragge
9. The Fang
10. Ball
But this is my opinion dough...
I'd say The Fang could outlast Macragge. Though they may be about equal 
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Post by: Toastedandy
What about the Blackstone fortresses?
A fortress AND super weapon
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Post by: Asherian Command
Toastedandy wrote:What about the Blackstone fortresses?
A fortress AND super weapon
Is it bigger than the solar system?
Does it have weapons that could stop an entire armada?
No I didn't think so.
Terra wins fair and square.
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Post by: biccat
Asherian Command wrote:Toastedandy wrote:What about the Blackstone fortresses?
A fortress AND super weapon
Is it bigger than the solar system?
Does it have weapons that could stop an entire armada?
No I didn't think so.
Terra wins fair and square.
Stop an entire armada? No.
Destablize a star? Yes.
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Post by: Kilkrazy
Earth is bigger than the Solar System?
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Post by: Harriticus
Kilkrazy wrote:Earth is bigger than the Solar System?
He might mean that Terras defenses are in effect an entire solar system, which is pretty true. If you want to take a shot at Terra you also have to get through Battlefleet Solar, the Moon, Titan, Mars, etc..
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Post by: Asherian Command
biccat wrote:Asherian Command wrote:Toastedandy wrote:What about the Blackstone fortresses?
A fortress AND super weapon
Is it bigger than the solar system?
Does it have weapons that could stop an entire armada?
No I didn't think so.
Terra wins fair and square.
Stop an entire armada? No.
Destablize a star? Yes.
The Sun that is in the center of the solar system cannot be destroyed it is protected by something....
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Post by: mindfield
+1 Terra.
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Post by: BoTW
Doesn't the Fang have the biggest force to defend it? Each of the 12 companies are almost as big as another chapter IIRC.
And a fortress's strongest defence is the forces defending it, not the building itself
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Post by: iproxtaco
BoTW wrote:Doesn't the Fang have the biggest force to defend it? Each of the 12 companies are almost as big as another chapter IIRC.
And a fortress's strongest defence is the forces defending it, not the building itself
Two incorrect statements.
Firstly, the Space Marines number around 2000. Each Great Company is composed of more Marines than a standard Company, but not anywhere near the size of a chapter.
Secondly, no matter the strength of the defenses, the thickness and quality of the barricades, walls, gates, and in 40k, it's Void Shields, matter just as much, if not more, in this universe.
The Fang would also never usually be defended by the entire Chapter, most of the time it'll be garrisoned by two or three for some are and r. Keep in mind, that the Thousand Sons have already taken the Fang, numbering a good bit less than a thousand.
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Post by: ChaosGalvatron
I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.
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Post by: Spartan 117
No way in he11 that the Fang is more defensible then Terra. Can't believe SW fanboys are polluting this thread lol. If anything Cadia is more of a fortress then the Fang.
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Post by: iproxtaco
ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.
Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.
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Post by: ChaosGalvatron
iproxtaco wrote:ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.
Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.
yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.
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Post by: iproxtaco
ChaosGalvatron wrote:iproxtaco wrote:ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.
Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.
yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.
It has been breached. That's not going strong. The Emperor's Palace withstood the full might of all the Traitor Legions, including nine Primarchs and the full might of the Imperial Navy, Titan Legions and Mechanicus forces. And that's just a single location on a single planet. The Cadian Gate is a conglomerate of systems, all designed to support Cadia itself and other fortress worlds. It has more defending it, with less attacking it, than Terra had.
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Post by: ChaosGalvatron
iproxtaco wrote:ChaosGalvatron wrote:iproxtaco wrote:ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.
Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.
yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.
It has been breached. That's not going strong. The Emperor's Palace withstood the full might of all the Traitor Legions, including nine Primarchs and the full might of the Imperial Navy, Titan Legions and Mechanicus forces. And that's just a single location on a single planet.
The Cadian Gate is a conglomerate of systems, all designed to support Cadia itself and other fortress worlds. It has more defending it, with less attacking it, than Terra had.
you do know that in fluff the traitors had beaten the loyalists and they had breached the ultimate gate? then Horus dropped his shields and Emperor/Sanguinus and termies beamed up.
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Post by: iproxtaco
ChaosGalvatron wrote:iproxtaco wrote:ChaosGalvatron wrote:iproxtaco wrote:ChaosGalvatron wrote:I would say Cadia is the best fortress, simply because it has taken so many hits but is still standing.
Admittedly many of them came from failaddon. But there must be a reason hes such a failure.
Cadia has been breached. About two thirds of the planet itself has been taken by Chaos.
yep. but still going strong. its the plug that keeps the full force of chaos in the eye of terror and its going okay.
It has been breached. That's not going strong. The Emperor's Palace withstood the full might of all the Traitor Legions, including nine Primarchs and the full might of the Imperial Navy, Titan Legions and Mechanicus forces. And that's just a single location on a single planet. The Cadian Gate is a conglomerate of systems, all designed to support Cadia itself and other fortress worlds. It has more defending it, with less attacking it, than Terra had.
you do know that in fluff the traitors had beaten the loyalists and they had breached the ultimate gate? then Horus dropped his shields and Emperor/Sanguinus and termies beamed up.
Not quite. They didn't breach the Eternity Gate, it was defended by Sanguinus and some Blood Angels whilst all other withdrew.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Cadia Gate, is still being defended but the problem is that they faced a planet killer a massive fleet of black stone fortresses. Compared to space wolves facing a 1,000 thousand sons? Really thats alot? Cadia is facing entire regenade forces.
The fang may be a great fortress hell its better than maccragge. But still it does not compare to Cadia or Terra or Mars or the other greatest fortress's that lie with-in the imperium of man.
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Post by: Bran Dawri
Order goes like this:
1) Imperial Palace
2) The Fang
3) Unsure, probably The Rock or Cadia.
This is not supposition, it's fact as SW Codices since 2nd edition have stated the The Fang is the largest and most well-defended fortress outside of Terra (or the Imperial Palace).
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Post by: Asherian Command
Bran Dawri wrote:Order goes like this:
1) Imperial Palace
2) The Fang
3) Unsure, probably The Rock or Cadia.
This is not supposition, it's fact as SW Codices since 2nd edition have stated the The Fang is the largest and most well-defended fortress outside of Terra (or the Imperial Palace).
No.
Cadia is no.2
IT is one of the most well defended. Fenris is the third, not the second.
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Post by: Brother Coa
iproxtaco wrote:
It has been breached. That's not going strong.
It is, the fact that Cadia survived 13 massive invasion point's to something. And of course 2/3 Cadia is now under renegade control when 90% of Cadian solders are not on Cadia...
But the 13' th Black Crusade failed, and Chaos forces are trapped on Cadia with no support while Imperial Navy will bring down reinforcements. So Cadia will be under Imperium control once again ( technically it still is since Chaos don't control the sky above the planet and don't have forces to conquer the rest 1/3 of the planet ).
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Post by: Riddick40k
Baal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Coolyo294
The post above mine is so wrong it hurts.
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Post by: Brother Coa
coolyo294 wrote:The post above mine is so wrong it hurts.
You got that right.
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Post by: biccat
Brother Coa wrote:But the 13'th Black Crusade failed, and Chaos forces are trapped on Cadia with no support while Imperial Navy will bring down reinforcements. So Cadia will be under Imperium control once again ( technically it still is since Chaos don't control the sky above the planet and don't have forces to conquer the rest 1/3 of the planet ).
At first I thought I had somehow forgotten that the Forces of Order had won the Eye of Terror event.
Then I realized, no, GW retconned the whole thing.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:
It has been breached. That's not going strong.
It is, the fact that Cadia survived 13 massive invasion point's to something. And of course 2/3 Cadia is now under renegade control when 90% of Cadian solders are not on Cadia...
But the 13' th Black Crusade failed, and Chaos forces are trapped on Cadia with no support while Imperial Navy will bring down reinforcements. So Cadia will be under Imperium control once again ( technically it still is since Chaos don't control the sky above the planet and don't have forces to conquer the rest 1/3 of the planet ).
90% of Cadian soldiers are away because they aren't permanent garrison forces. You say it like they're supposed to be there. They aren't.
The 13th Black Crusade has far from failed. It's still going, and will likely continue for many years. The Imperium control Space. Woopty-feth, good luck getting your insufficient reinforcements to the surface to fight a now superior enemy. You're also ignoring the fact that said fleet in space has been savagely mauled and is under strength with a Blackstone Fortress somewhere near. Even the Imperium command suspects they may not be able to push Abbaddon back this time. You're also ignoring the fact that Cadia itself is not the only battle-ground in the Crusade. Many other planets are besieged by Chaos, and the already stretched Imperium is going to have a difficult time.
So yeah, currently the Imperium isn't in such an advantageous position as you seem to think. In fact, they're probably on an even footing.
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Post by: Brother Coa
Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
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Post by: Asherian Command
Cadia is now winning the battle. They still have a fortress.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses.
Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Not really all fanboys are we?
Quoting Lexicanum
State after the Thirteenth Black Crusade
During the worldwide campaign of Abaddon the Despoiler's Thirteenth Black Crusade, the forces of Chaos managed to establish a major foothold on Cadia, though they lost the battle in space. The result of this is that most of Cadia is now under control of Chaos forces, although they have no way currently of being reinforced.
Chaos did alot of damage still but they are still stuck...
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Post by: iproxtaco
I never said YOU were a fanboy, you're making that up, and I never said Chaos was winning. Simply that they are no where close to being defeated, and that the Imperium is already stretched, with little hope of bringing the necessary forces round in time to push Abbaddon back.
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Post by: RogalDorn69
The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists 
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )
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Post by: Asherian Command
iproxtaco wrote:I never said YOU were a fanboy, you're making that up, and I never said Chaos was winning. Simply that they are no where close to being defeated, and that the Imperium is already stretched, with little hope of bringing the necessary forces round in time to push Abbaddon back.
Wait your saying I am making up that I am fanboy or the quote? And not really they still have a few more reinforcements. Plus Abbaddon being able to defeat the terran defense force is going to be absolutely impossible with his current forces. Automatically Appended Next Post: RogalDorn69 wrote:The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )
The Phalanx
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Post by: Punisher Gatling Cannon
My vote goes for cadia, the rock, or the phalanx
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Post by: Brother Coa
iproxtaco wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses. Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.
"During the worldwide campaign of Abaddon the Despoiler's Thirteenth Black Crusade, the forces of Chaos managed to establish a major foothold on Cadia, though they lost the battle in space. The result of this is that most of Cadia is now under control of Chaos forces, although they have no way currently of being reinforced." "The Thirteenth Black Crusade began in 999.M41, and resulted in the largest mobilisation of both Imperial and Chaotic forces seen since the Horus Heresy. In this campaign at least one Blackstone Fortress was destroyed by Necron raiders as they were designed to destroy the C'tan. The Thirteenth Black Crusade was the background to the worldwide Warhammer 40,000 Eye of Terror campaign, which resulted in a minor victory for the forces of Chaos and gave Abaddon a foothold in the Cadian Gate, though he suffered grievous losses to his fleet. While the ground is largely controlled by the forces of Chaos, the skies above Cadia are almost entirely ruled by Admiral Quarren and the entire Battle Fleet Groups: Gothic and Solar and elements of several chapters of Space Marines, leaving the results open as the battle rages on. Having both space and air superiority gives a significant advantage to the Imperial forces, allowing the deployment of fresh troops and the bombardment of Abaddon's army." It's fanboyism? God how people don't read official matterial. Were does it say that Chaos won the 13' th Black Crusade? But to be fair, it doesen't say taht they lost as well ( well for exept Space Battle ). And Imperials are getting reinforcements, dough they are yet to come to the planet. Before you start writing nonsense look from the 3'rd perspective: -Abaddon attacked, kicked ass and gain ground. -While his forces gain control of 1/3'rd of the planet the combine Eldar and Imperial force attack Abbadon's fleet and r*** him. -Now, when Imperial control the sky above Cadia they orbital bombard the Chaos positions. -Chaos forces on the ground suffer losses and cannot conquer the rest 1/3'rd of the planet. -Imperial forces are getting reinforcements ( those reinforcements will come in M42 so the battle is still pretty much draw ), while there is no confirmation that Abaddon will send help thus leaving his troops on Cadia to be slaughtered by incoming Imperial Troops. Unless you have some source to implement different, the fact is - Chaos will lose this battle. So your sentence "Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" is so wrong it hurts my heart...  Anyway...there is one more reason why Cadia won't fall, and you don't have argument for this:   Automatically Appended Next Post: iproxtaco wrote:I never said YOU were a fanboy, you're making that up, and I never said Chaos was winning. Simply that they are no where close to being defeated, and that the Imperium is already stretched, with little hope of bringing the necessary forces round in time to push Abbaddon back.
And what part of "Having both space and air superiority gives a significant advantage to the Imperial forces, allowing the deployment of fresh troops and the bombardment of Abaddon's army."
You didn't understand?
It's not fanboyism - it's a fact. Deal wit hit
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Post by: huntho21
Botten3 wrote:I personally think the Fang because it's in a mountain, the biggest mountain in Fenris to be exact
Its actually a mountain range so its ALL of the mountains on Fenris.
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Post by: Asherian Command
Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses.
Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.
"During the worldwide campaign of Abaddon the Despoiler's Thirteenth Black Crusade, the forces of Chaos managed to establish a major foothold on Cadia, though they lost the battle in space. The result of this is that most of Cadia is now under control of Chaos forces, although they have no way currently of being reinforced."
"The Thirteenth Black Crusade began in 999.M41, and resulted in the largest mobilisation of both Imperial and Chaotic forces seen since the Horus Heresy. In this campaign at least one Blackstone Fortress was destroyed by Necron raiders as they were designed to destroy the C'tan.
The Thirteenth Black Crusade was the background to the worldwide Warhammer 40,000 Eye of Terror campaign, which resulted in a minor victory for the forces of Chaos and gave Abaddon a foothold in the Cadian Gate, though he suffered grievous losses to his fleet.
While the ground is largely controlled by the forces of Chaos, the skies above Cadia are almost entirely ruled by Admiral Quarren and the entire Battle Fleet Groups: Gothic and Solar and elements of several chapters of Space Marines, leaving the results open as the battle rages on. Having both space and air superiority gives a significant advantage to the Imperial forces, allowing the deployment of fresh troops and the bombardment of Abaddon's army."
It's fanboyism? God how people don't read official matterial. Were does it say that Chaos won the 13' th Black Crusade? But to be fair, it doesen't say taht they lost as well ( well for exept Space Battle ). And Imperials are getting reinforcements, dough they are yet to come to the planet.
Before you start writing nonsense look from the 3'rd perspective:
-Abaddon attacked, kicked ass and gain ground.
-While his forces gain control of 1/3'rd of the planet the combine Eldar and Imperial force attack Abbadon's fleet and r*** him.
-Now, when Imperial control the sky above Cadia they orbital bombard the Chaos positions.
-Chaos forces on the ground suffer losses and cannot conquer the rest 1/3'rd of the planet.
-Imperial forces are getting reinforcements ( those reinforcements will come in M42 so the battle is still pretty much draw ), while there is no confirmation that Abaddon will send help thus leaving his troops on Cadia to be slaughtered by incoming Imperial Troops.
Unless you have some source to implement different, the fact is - Chaos will lose this battle. So your sentence "Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" is so wrong it hurts my heart...
Anyway...there is one more reason why Cadia won't fall, and you don't have argument for this:
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iproxtaco wrote:I never said YOU were a fanboy, you're making that up, and I never said Chaos was winning. Simply that they are no where close to being defeated, and that the Imperium is already stretched, with little hope of bringing the necessary forces round in time to push Abbaddon back.
And what part of "Having both space and air superiority gives a significant advantage to the Imperial forces, allowing the deployment of fresh troops and the bombardment of Abaddon's army."
You didn't understand?
It's not fanboyism - it's a fact. Deal wit hit
Wow I hear the word owned comes to mind XD
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Post by: iproxtaco
Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses. Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.
"During the worldwide campaign of Abaddon the Despoiler's Thirteenth Black Crusade, the forces of Chaos managed to establish a major foothold on Cadia, though they lost the battle in space. The result of this is that most of Cadia is now under control of Chaos forces, although they have no way currently of being reinforced." "The Thirteenth Black Crusade began in 999.M41, and resulted in the largest mobilisation of both Imperial and Chaotic forces seen since the Horus Heresy. In this campaign at least one Blackstone Fortress was destroyed by Necron raiders as they were designed to destroy the C'tan. The Thirteenth Black Crusade was the background to the worldwide Warhammer 40,000 Eye of Terror campaign, which resulted in a minor victory for the forces of Chaos and gave Abaddon a foothold in the Cadian Gate, though he suffered grievous losses to his fleet. While the ground is largely controlled by the forces of Chaos, the skies above Cadia are almost entirely ruled by Admiral Quarren and the entire Battle Fleet Groups: Gothic and Solar and elements of several chapters of Space Marines, leaving the results open as the battle rages on. Having both space and air superiority gives a significant advantage to the Imperial forces, allowing the deployment of fresh troops and the bombardment of Abaddon's army." It's fanboyism? God how people don't read official matterial. Were does it say that Chaos won the 13' th Black Crusade? But to be fair, it doesen't say taht they lost as well ( well for exept Space Battle ). And Imperials are getting reinforcements, dough they are yet to come to the planet. Before you start writing nonsense look from the 3'rd perspective: -Abaddon attacked, kicked ass and gain ground. -While his forces gain control of 1/3'rd of the planet the combine Eldar and Imperial force attack Abbadon's fleet and r*** him. -Now, when Imperial control the sky above Cadia they orbital bombard the Chaos positions. -Chaos forces on the ground suffer losses and cannot conquer the rest 1/3'rd of the planet. -Imperial forces are getting reinforcements ( those reinforcements will come in M42 so the battle is still pretty much draw ), while there is no confirmation that Abaddon will send help thus leaving his troops on Cadia to be slaughtered by incoming Imperial Troops. Unless you have some source to implement different, the fact is - Chaos will lose this battle. So your sentence "Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" is so wrong it hurts my heart... Automatically Appended Next Post: iproxtaco wrote:I never said YOU were a fanboy, you're making that up, and I never said Chaos was winning. Simply that they are no where close to being defeated, and that the Imperium is already stretched, with little hope of bringing the necessary forces round in time to push Abbaddon back.
And what part of "Having both space and air superiority gives a significant advantage to the Imperial forces, allowing the deployment of fresh troops and the bombardment of Abaddon's army." You didn't understand? It's not fanboyism - it's a fact. Deal wit hit.
You went through all that to make an irrelevant point. I have never said that Chaos has won, nor have I said that they are winning, you THINK I said that for some odd reason, probably because you can't deal with any sort of opposing information. The Impeirum as not won, they aren't even close to winning, but neither are Chaos, and both have their current disadvantages and advantages over their opponents. Those images kind of prove that most of this argument is motivated by you being a fanboy, as once again Coa, you ignore a lot of the stuff you quote. That lovely wishlist has nearly no basis of fact in your predictions. The Imperium doesn't have the reinforcements they need, their fleet is borken, the Eldar have retreated and there's still the Blackstone Fortress and possibly the Planet Killer to deal with, as well as Chaos controlling the vast majority of Cadia's surface, and the damage they've done to the other planets that compose the Gate.
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Post by: purplefood
Brother Coa wrote:God how people don't read official matterial.
This statement is so ironic it hurts...
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Post by: iproxtaco
Asherian Command wrote:iproxtaco wrote:I never said YOU were a fanboy, you're making that up, and I never said Chaos was winning. Simply that they are no where close to being defeated, and that the Imperium is already stretched, with little hope of bringing the necessary forces round in time to push Abbaddon back.
Wait your saying I am making up that I am fanboy or the quote?
And not really they still have a few more reinforcements.
Plus Abbaddon being able to defeat the terran defense force is going to be absolutely impossible with his current forces.
I'm saying you wrongly accused me of calling you a fanboy. I did not.
They have some reinforcements, but it won't be enough. The Crusade will continue into the next millenia, and this time it may not be defeated.
I never said a thing about Terra, but I agree, currently, Abbaddon doesn't have a hope in hell of defeating Earth's defenses.
RogalDorn69 wrote:The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )
The Phalanx
The Phalanx is huge, not the size of a planet, they size of a moon.
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Post by: Abadabadoobaddon
This is the greatest and best fortress in the Imperium... tribute.
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Post by: Commisar Von Humps
Imperial Palace, the fang is just tall and has 1500(not sure if thats right)+ marines and protected by the forces of the great (cheese) wolf!
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Post by: Brother Coa
iproxtaco wrote:
You went through all that to make an irrelevant point. I have never said that Chaos has won, nor have I said that they are winning, you THINK I said that for some odd reason, probably because you can't deal with any sort of opposing information. The Impeirum as not won, they aren't even close to winning, but neither are Chaos, and both have their current disadvantages and advantages over their opponents.
Those images kind of prove that most of this argument is motivated by you being a fanboy, as once again Coa, you ignore a lot of the stuff you quote. Like what, that Creed kick Abaadon's but several times? That lovely wishlist has nearly no basis of fact in your predictions. The Imperium doesn't have the reinforcements they need, their fleet is borken, the Eldar have retreated and there's still the Blackstone Fortress and possibly the Planet Killer to deal with, as well as Chaos controlling the vast majority of Cadia's surface, and the damage they've done to the other planets that compose the Gate.
I don't know what to say. I am backed by official fluff. I didn't read anywhere that "Imperium doesn't have the reinforcements they need" but I read that reinforcements are on their way."
It is obvious you don't know what you are writing and blaming others not being informed enough when they oppose your claims. And this statement you are making that Imperium has no force to respond when codex clearly states it has proves my point.
I am am a Human fanatiic, but Tau conquered Taros, Tyranids eat Gryphone IV, Chaos raided Cadian sector and it will be rebuilding for years, maybe centuries, Eldar cleansed several planets from Humans, Orks devastated Armageddon, Daek Eldar r**** Bakka, Mankind is losing war for it's survival... They kick our ass, we kick theirs and it goes around in circle...
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purplefood wrote:Brother Coa wrote:God how people don't read official matterial.
This statement is so ironic it hurts...
I can remember even you few times going against fluff but let's just move on...
Everyone makes mistakes, that doesn't mean when I say "Cadia is not conquered" that I am gaoing against official fluff.
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Post by: Gorskar.da.Lost
Terra.
Seriously, it's not only defended by the Custodes, it's entire solar system is bristling with fortifications, fleets and other surprises for any would-be invaders - including the Moon, which is now a giant floating battlestation. Hell yeah.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:
You went through all that to make an irrelevant point. I have never said that Chaos has won, nor have I said that they are winning, you THINK I said that for some odd reason, probably because you can't deal with any sort of opposing information. The Impeirum as not won, they aren't even close to winning, but neither are Chaos, and both have their current disadvantages and advantages over their opponents.
Those images kind of prove that most of this argument is motivated by you being a fanboy, as once again Coa, you ignore a lot of the stuff you quote. That lovely wishlist has nearly no basis of fact in your predictions. [b]The Imperium doesn't have the reinforcements they need, their fleet is borken, the Eldar have retreated and there's still the Blackstone Fortress and possibly the Planet Killer to deal with, as well as Chaos controlling the vast majority of Cadia's surface, and the damage they've done to the other planets that compose the Gate.
I don't know what to say. I am backed by official fluff. I didn't read anywhere that "Imperium doesn't have the reinforcements they need" but I read that reinforcements are on their way."
It is obvious you don't know what you are writing and blaming others not being informed enough when they oppose your claims. And this statement you are making that Imperium has no force to respond when codex clearly states it has proves my point.
Making things up. It says reinforcements are on their way. It does not say they will be enough, it doe not say how much, it does not reveal how many other threats are running rampant due to the stupid number of forces being diverted, it doesn't say that the Imperium will win back Cadia because of it.
I am am a Human fanatiic, but Tau conquered Taros, Tyranids eat Gryphone IV, Chaos raided Cadian sector and it will be rebuilding for years, maybe centuries, Eldar cleansed several planets from Humans, Orks devastated Armageddon, Daek Eldar r**** Bakka, Mankind is losing war for it's survival... They kick our ass, we kick theirs and it goes around in circle...
It's not a circle. Humanity is losing it's battle for survival. They're getting their buts kicked more than they kick back.
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purplefood wrote:Brother Coa wrote:God how people don't read official matterial.
This statement is so ironic it hurts...
I can remember even you few times going against fluff but let's just move on...
Everyone makes mistakes, that doesn't mean when I say "Cadia is not conquered" that I am gaoing against official fluff.
Purlpleflood does not have a reputation for doing it all the time. Saying that is massively hypocritical.
Why am I responding? You aren't going to read what I post, or you won't understand it at the very least. Who wants to bet money that you'll post some weird fanboy video or 1d4chan picture?
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Post by: Brother Coa
iproxtaco wrote:
Making things up. It says reinforcements are on their way. It does not say they will be enough, it doe not say how much, it does not reveal how many other threats are running rampant due to the stupid number of forces being diverted, it doesn't say that the Imperium will win back Cadia because of it.
It also doesn't say that Chaos will win. But it is implemented that Imperials will get reinforcements while Chaos will not. Because GW writters are not neard to say us how many Guardsman will Imperium send, or how many Marines. One thing is sure, Chaos will get no help while Imperium will get fresh troops. But for now it is status quo since we will not go in M42 for a very long time...
It's not a circle. Humanity is losing it's battle for survival. They're getting their buts kicked more than they kick back.
For now at least, tides can change you know... ( again we will see it in M42 )
[Purlpleflood does not have a reputation for doing it all the time. Saying that is massively hypocritical.
Why am I responding? You aren't going to read what I post, or you won't understand it at the very least. Who wants to bet money that you'll post some weird fanboy video or 1d4chan picture?
No, it's you guys who want to know how many screws does Leman Russ have and who can't take a joke or question seriously. ( and for 1d4chan, maybe it is funny but it's facts are true. Purplefood said that himself ) And I am not using 1d4chan as official source, I only put pictures for fun and ask when I read some paragraph "when this happened in official fluff", but as always you don't read my posts to the end - why should I read yours?
And you guys are all saying that Wikipedia in not official source which is idiotic to me since everything that exist in some encyclopedia is written down on Wikipedia.
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Post by: Rynsester
Somebody should find the actual Eye of Terror campaign end result report instead of this Lexicanum copypasta.
On topic: Terra is the most heavily fortified planet in the Imperium, there is nothing comparable imo
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Post by: iproxtaco
Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:
Making things up. It says reinforcements are on their way. It does not say they will be enough, it doe not say how much, it does not reveal how many other threats are running rampant due to the stupid number of forces being diverted, it doesn't say that the Imperium will win back Cadia because of it.
It also doesn't say that Chaos will win. But it is implemented that Imperials will get reinforcements while Chaos will not. Because GW writters are not neard to say us how many Guardsman will Imperium send, or how many Marines. One thing is sure, Chaos will get no help while Imperium will get fresh troops. But for now it is status quo since we will not go in M42 for a very long time...
Fully aware of that. Neither did I. It does not say that Chaos wont get reinforcements. It says they will have a difficult time getting to the surface. Once again though, you seem to ignore the fact that the reinforcements sent are likely not to be enough as the Imperium is already stretched as it is.
It's not a circle. Humanity is losing it's battle for survival. They're getting their buts kicked more than they kick back.
For now at least, tides can change you know... ( again we will see it in M42 )
Whishful thinking. It's vastly more likely that things will continue going downhill for the Imperium. A change in millennium does little to improve their chances.
[Purlpleflood does not have a reputation for doing it all the time. Saying that is massively hypocritical.
Why am I responding? You aren't going to read what I post, or you won't understand it at the very least. Who wants to bet money that you'll post some weird fanboy video or 1d4chan picture?
No, it's you guys who want to know how many screws does Leman Russ have and who can't take a joke or question seriously.
First part doesn't make sense, second part is firstly, irrelevant, and secondly, wrong.
( and for 1d4chan, maybe it is funny but it's facts are true. Purplefood said that himself ) And I am not using 1d4chan as official source, I only put pictures for fun
Not all of them are true. The overwhelming majority are boosted to hyperbolic levels of stupidity. And yes, you do use 1d4chan as a source, when you shouldn't. Just to make it clear, you haven't used it in this thread, but you have in others. Just to stop another potential argument.
and ask when I read some paragraph "when this happened in official fluff", but as always you don't read my posts to the end - why should I read yours?
Not sure what you're talking about here. I read your posts in full, you simply disagree with what I have to say, so you're jumping to conclusions in defense.
And you guys are all saying that Wikipedia in not official source which is idiotic to me since everything that exist in some encyclopedia is written down on Wikipedia.
It isn't. It's superseded by quotes from the actual texts. Think of it as a long chain of people before you in a game of chinese whispers. What is written in the book won't often be the same thing that appears on your screen.
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Post by: RogalDorn69
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:This is the greatest and best fortress in the Imperium... tribute.
Tenacious-D lol
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Post by: DaemonJellybaby
On the results front:
40k wikia wrote:The campaign ran for eight weeks, in which more than forty thousand players registered, and submitted over a quarter of a million games results to the campaign website. The conclusion of the campaign resulted in a minor victory for Chaos. The line was held in many places but on the strategic level the Disorder players were considered to have consistently out-fought and out-maneuvered their opponents, and held over half of Cadia itself. The Chaos forces made slow but somewhat steady progress on many fronts, yet made no decisive victory, especially when a "backstage" plan to gain a foothold in the Eldar Webway system turned into a complete and total failure. In addition, Abaddon suffered severe losses to his fleet in the crusade.
Of course, the Terra system is the greatest fortress built, probably with the Cadian system in second place
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Post by: Asherian Command
Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.
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Post by: purplefood
Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:
Making things up. It says reinforcements are on their way. It does not say they will be enough, it doe not say how much, it does not reveal how many other threats are running rampant due to the stupid number of forces being diverted, it doesn't say that the Imperium will win back Cadia because of it.
It also doesn't say that Chaos will win. But it is implemented that Imperials will get reinforcements while Chaos will not. Because GW writters are not neard to say us how many Guardsman will Imperium send, or how many Marines. One thing is sure, Chaos will get no help while Imperium will get fresh troops. But for now it is status quo since we will not go in M42 for a very long time...
It's not a circle. Humanity is losing it's battle for survival. They're getting their buts kicked more than they kick back.
For now at least, tides can change you know... ( again we will see it in M42 )
[Purlpleflood does not have a reputation for doing it all the time. Saying that is massively hypocritical.
Why am I responding? You aren't going to read what I post, or you won't understand it at the very least. Who wants to bet money that you'll post some weird fanboy video or 1d4chan picture?
No, it's you guys who want to know how many screws does Leman Russ have and who can't take a joke or question seriously. ( and for 1d4chan, maybe it is funny but it's facts are true. Purplefood said that himself ) And I am not using 1d4chan as official source, I only put pictures for fun and ask when I read some paragraph "when this happened in official fluff", but as always you don't read my posts to the end - why should I read yours?
And you guys are all saying that Wikipedia in not official source which is idiotic to me since everything that exist in some encyclopedia is written down on Wikipedia.
I never said what was on 4chan is true.
It's like propaganda...
It may have an element of truth but they twist it to make it funny.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.
It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.
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Post by: Grey Templar
the entire Sol system is the greatest fortress.
the Fang is 2nd.
3rd probably has alot of things gunning for it.
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Post by: iproxtaco
The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
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Post by: Grey Templar
the Fang hasn't even come close to being taken.
Cadia is currently 1/2 occupied.
the Cadian Gate is also a string of Fortress Worlds. the Fang is a single planet.
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Post by: iproxtaco
I would like to refer you to Battle of the Fang.
Two thirds of Cadia belongs to Chaos.
I'm well aware of this, notice how I referred to Cadia as the planet Cadia itself.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Ok, I was thinking the Battle of the Fang was when the crazy high lord led a rebellion, not the Thousand Son attack.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Posted this after your edit, but at least this might be a little bit of clarification. The Sons obviously retreated in the end when superior forces arrived.
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Post by: Asherian Command
iproxtaco wrote:Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.
It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.
Thanks for clearing that up :p
The black stone fortresses remain in chaos hands but not for long is what i can say.
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Post by: Grey Templar
iproxtaco wrote:
Posted this after your edit, but at least this might be a little bit of clarification. The Sons obviously retreated in the end when superior forces arrived.
Still, it took a Primarch to penetrate it. and a Daemon Primarch with awsome Warp powers no less. Lets be fair to the Fang. Automatically Appended Next Post: Asherian Command wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.
It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.
Thanks for clearing that up :p
The black stone fortresses remain in chaos hands but not for long is what i can say.
all the Blackstone fortresses the Imperials had self destructed for some unknown reason. it isn't known if Abbaddon's did the same.
the Planet Killer was destroyed, but Abbaddon has another in the Warp(which he is loath to risk losing)
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Post by: iproxtaco
Grey Templar wrote:iproxtaco wrote:
Posted this after your edit, but at least this might be a little bit of clarification. The Sons obviously retreated in the end when superior forces arrived.
Still, it took a Primarch to penetrate it. and a Daemon Primarch with awsome Warp powers no less. Lets be fair to the Fang.
I am, but it's not up to the standards of Cadia in my opinion.
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Asherian Command wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Asherian Command wrote:Minor victory implies that neither actually gained anything, but still chaos did its damage. But space battle is done.
The Planet Killer is Destroyed.
It think you may be slightly twisting the meaning behind minor victory to seem like it wasn't actually a victory. Well, you know, it was a victory, which resulted in minor gains for Chaos. The Space Battle is not done. The Blackstone Fortress remains in Chaos hands, the Planet Killer may still be around, or something similar to it.
Thanks for clearing that up :p
The black stone fortresses remain in chaos hands but not for long is what i can say.
all the Blackstone fortresses the Imperials had self destructed for some unknown reason. it isn't known if Abbaddon's did the same.
the Planet Killer was destroyed, but Abbaddon has another in the Warp(which he is loath to risk losing)
Not from what I heard at least. It skulked off, possessed by a part of Slannesh or something like that.
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Post by: Brother Coa
iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
For once I agree with Automatically Appended Next Post: iproxtaco wrote:Brother Coa wrote:iproxtaco wrote:
Making things up. It says reinforcements are on their way. It does not say they will be enough, it doe not say how much, it does not reveal how many other threats are running rampant due to the stupid number of forces being diverted, it doesn't say that the Imperium will win back Cadia because of it.
It also doesn't say that Chaos will win. But it is implemented that Imperials will get reinforcements while Chaos will not. Because GW writters are not neard to say us how many Guardsman will Imperium send, or how many Marines. One thing is sure, Chaos will get no help while Imperium will get fresh troops. But for now it is status quo since we will not go in M42 for a very long time...
Fully aware of that. Neither did I. It does not say that Chaos wont get reinforcements. It says they will have a difficult time getting to the surface. Once again though, you seem to ignore the fact that the reinforcements sent are likely not to be enough as the Imperium is already stretched as it is.
It's not a circle. Humanity is losing it's battle for survival. They're getting their buts kicked more than they kick back.
For now at least, tides can change you know... ( again we will see it in M42 )
Whishful thinking. It's vastly more likely that things will continue going downhill for the Imperium. A change in millennium does little to improve their chances.
[Purlpleflood does not have a reputation for doing it all the time. Saying that is massively hypocritical.
Why am I responding? You aren't going to read what I post, or you won't understand it at the very least. Who wants to bet money that you'll post some weird fanboy video or 1d4chan picture?
No, it's you guys who want to know how many screws does Leman Russ have and who can't take a joke or question seriously.
First part doesn't make sense, second part is firstly, irrelevant, and secondly, wrong.
( and for 1d4chan, maybe it is funny but it's facts are true. Purplefood said that himself ) And I am not using 1d4chan as official source, I only put pictures for fun
Not all of them are true. The overwhelming majority are boosted to hyperbolic levels of stupidity. And yes, you do use 1d4chan as a source, when you shouldn't. Just to make it clear, you haven't used it in this thread, but you have in others. Just to stop another potential argument.
and ask when I read some paragraph "when this happened in official fluff", but as always you don't read my posts to the end - why should I read yours?
Not sure what you're talking about here. I read your posts in full, you simply disagree with what I have to say, so you're jumping to conclusions in defense.
And you guys are all saying that Wikipedia in not official source which is idiotic to me since everything that exist in some encyclopedia is written down on Wikipedia.
It isn't. It's superseded by quotes from the actual texts. Think of it as a long chain of people before you in a game of chinese whispers. What is written in the book won't often be the same thing that appears on your screen.
I will only say this: sometimes you are right, sometimes I. Let us shake hands for now and start fight in another thread Automatically Appended Next Post: purplefood wrote:
I never said what was on 4chan is true.
It's like propaganda...
It may have an element of truth but they twist it to make it funny.
No, but you said: "In fluff it say: "Space Marines won", in 1d4chan say: "Space Marines won by throwing 1 TH and killing 1000 Chaos Marines"."
So you actually implement that it is partially true. And I don't use that as a source anymore since it is reliable as Tau claim that they can kill Chaos Gods with Railguns... Automatically Appended Next Post: As for OP:
1. Terra
2. Mars
3. Cadia
4. everyone else...
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Post by: Bwolf999
Im gonna have to say Maccrage. Those 8 Space Marines still alive on it will kick @$$!!!
Wolf 
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Post by: Lord Demon
Terra offcourse because that is the imperiums most important planet. Not so much because all the other planetary and moon bases in the sol system. It is easy to bypass a planet. They do tend to have a predictable movement. And you don't really need to worry about a planet flying after you.
But if terra is your target then it's defenses will get you.
Also mars is out of the competition for me. Werent there a few necron ships that basicaly cruised in the sol system without any real trouble. Then before theycould destroy al of them one landed on mars?
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Post by: Bran Dawri
iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
No.
2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy
Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Bran Dawri wrote:iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
No. 2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy
Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.
So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it? Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.
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Post by: Brother Coa
iproxtaco wrote:
So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.
For once I agree with you
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Post by: MrTau
Terra, or someone hasnt done their job...
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Post by: daveNYC
The Thousand Sons' forces had made it into the Fang before Magnus showed up. What they weren't able to do is get past the internal defenses that had been setup. And then Magnus showed up and punched everything to death.
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Post by: Grey Templar
iproxtaco wrote:Bran Dawri wrote:iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
No.
2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy
Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.
So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.
the Fang wasn't taken. it was simply breeched and, like any good fortress, has many layers of defense.
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Post by: daveNYC
Actually, the Fang doesn't really have that much of a layered defense. At least nothing on par with any of the Iron Warrior fortresses in the lore. A lot of the internal chokepoints that held off the 1k Sons were setup for the occasion. There weren't any internal strongpoints, or even murder holes in the story.
And saying that the Fang was simply breeched is like saying that Vietnam was a tie.
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Post by: Bran Dawri
iproxtaco wrote:Bran Dawri wrote:iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
No.
2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy
Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.
So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.
It doesn't matter what I believe. P 45 of the 2nd edition codex says so in black and white. Don't know on what page it's written in the 4th edition codex, but I'm sure it's there.
Fang has never fallen. If this fortress can withstand a siege by the greater part of roughly half the Imperium's forces (Age of Apostasy), then not even a Primarch with his entire Legion can take it.
I don't care what a random Black Library book says - they're not canon, especially when they directly contradict earlier fluff that's actually from GW (Index Astartes: Space Wolves, which again states the Fang is the greatest fortress outside Terra, and tells a different tale of the Thousand Sons' siege, as do the SW Codices). Especially where SW are concerned, as no BL book portrays the SW very well IMNSHO.
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Post by: Grey Templar
Like I said, the Fang didn't fall. Sure they were running around inside it, but they certaintly didn't have control over the fortress.
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Post by: daveNYC
Grey Templar wrote:
Like I said, the Fang didn't fall. Sure they were running around inside it, but they certaintly didn't have control over the fortress.
You serious? I won't argue that there wasn't still resistance, but the defenders were broken and the fortress had fallen. It's like saying that the US didn't retake the Philippines in WWII because Hiroo Onoda was still running around on Lubang.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Bran Dawri wrote:iproxtaco wrote:Bran Dawri wrote:iproxtaco wrote:The Fang is not second. Cadia is second, or any of it's cities if you don't count it as a single fortress.
No.
2nd, 3rd & 5th ed Space Wolf Codexes wrote:Outside Earth, The Fang is the greatest fortress in the human galaxy
Never been repealed or directly contradicted elsewhere. And BL isn't canon.
So, you believe that The Fang, a single fortress, that's already been taken once by Chaos, that's manned by only a few hundred marines at a time, along with a few mortal defenders, is greater than the planet that has defeated many orders of magnitude greater threats about 12 times, and has still not yet been completely conquered. Also, can you give me the page numbers of this quote? Or would you prefer me to find some material on Cadia, which I can guarantee says the same thing about it?
Black Library is canon in mine and a few BL writer's opinions.
It doesn't matter what I believe. P 45 of the 2nd edition codex says so in black and white. Don't know on what page it's written in the 4th edition codex, but I'm sure it's there.
Fang has never fallen. If this fortress can withstand a siege by the greater part of roughly half the Imperium's forces (Age of Apostasy), then not even a Primarch with his entire Legion can take it.
I don't care what a random Black Library book says - they're not canon, especially when they directly contradict earlier fluff that's actually from GW (Index Astartes: Space Wolves, which again states the Fang is the greatest fortress outside Terra, and tells a different tale of the Thousand Sons' siege, as do the SW Codices). Especially where SW are concerned, as no BL book portrays the SW very well IMNSHO.
There's not point even trying to have a reasoned discussion with a fanboy such as yourself. Most of the stuff above is made up, wildly exaggerated, misinformed or twisted to the extreme, all to try and cover up several obvious flaws in your argument.
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Post by: Ineed2bucks
black templar wrote:The Imperial Palace
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and the Sanctum Imperialis
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Post by: Deadshot
Put simply,Holy Terra.Think about it.If mankind had a living god,and they wanted to protect him,they are damn well going to make sure that he is defended better than an unorthodox space marine chapter.If that were the case then the Adeptus Terra might just take over Fenris toprotect him there.
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Post by: ChaosGalvatron
Im sticking with Cadia. It gets more action than anywhere else in the imperium (except maybe armageddon and thats only recently) and is still standing [a bit wobbly]. The fang only gets attacked when the thousand sons O/S gets a bit scrambled and terra hasnt faced a full scale assault for a few thousand years.
++ Cadia is a whole planetary system, as well as the surrounding sectors devoted to defense.
The fang is just a big mountain on viking world.
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Post by: iproxtaco
It's more than a bit wobbly. As in, two thirds of it's surface is owned by Chaos. Other than that, I agree, but the Emperor's Palace is still more heavily defended.
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Post by: Dingdoodah
Most say Imperial palace.
OP Even in death you got served.
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Post by: Deadshot
The OP is a big SW fan.
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Post by: atlas_garon
Fang has fallen just read the book its going to be Palace of terra it still has never fallen!
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Post by: Cain
RogalDorn69 wrote:The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )
I agree that Dorn made the best fortress because he designed the Palace, but that last part about gold man, you hurt my brain, gold is one of the weakest medals, infact the most pure gold you can bite and see indentions thats why in pirate movies you always see them bite the gold sorry:/ Automatically Appended Next Post: iproxtaco wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses.
Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.
I'm just saying but by you saying "cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" i dont know about other readers but i am pretty sure that you were saying that Chaos has won, so dont defend yourself that you diddn't say that bc it is right there, just go with it say something like "yea i was wrong" i think that gets you more points than anything else when you can admit you were wrong.
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Post by: KingDeath
Cain wrote:RogalDorn69 wrote:The fortress that Rogal Dorn gave to the emprah, but nice emprah gave it back. Now it Imperial Fists
carnt remeber name of it, only remeber it was as big as a planet and shone like a star in the night sky (Knowing Rogal Dorn, it was all pure gold )
I agree that Dorn made the best fortress because he designed the Palace, but that last part about gold man, you hurt my brain, gold is one of the weakest medals, infact the most pure gold you can bite and see indentions thats why in pirate movies you always see them bite the gold sorry:/
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iproxtaco wrote:Brother Coa wrote:Wasn't the BF destroyed by Eldar and Imperials?
And are you implementing that Chaos forces on Cadia have strong AA defenses?
While they lay dormant there, reinforsments are arriving at Cadian sector. So yeah, they pretty much lost it ( at least in the year 42. 010 )
I'm implying, which is the correct word, that they control the skies, the Imperium does not. I would also think they would have decent enough AA defenses.
Once again though, your blind fanboyism has blinded you to any other possibility other than Imperial victory. Here's the truth though. This Crusade is still very much on going. The Imperium is far from winning, for the simply do not have the resources to push Abbaddon back currently. Cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact.
I'm just saying but by you saying "cadia is lost, Chaos has taken it, deal with that fact" i dont know about other readers but i am pretty sure that you were saying that Chaos has won, so dont defend yourself that you diddn't say that bc it is right there, just go with it say something like "yea i was wrong" i think that gets you more points than anything else when you can admit you were wrong.
Regarding Cadia, it is unlikely that any reinforcements will reach Cadia soon for the sector is engulfed in warpstorms which make travel and communications difficult, if not impossible.
Regarding Quarren's fleet, it is badly mauled. Still in a better shape than the Chaos armada but both took critical losses during the attack on the Blackstone fortress ( as described in the 13. Black Crusade backgroundbook ). Still, Cadia hasn't fallen yet so there is still hope for Creed and his men ( warpstorms can't last forever, reinforcements could arrive despite the storms...)
Regarding the op's question, i think the answer is Terra and/or Mars. Both are defended with the best that the Imperium of Man has to offer.
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Post by: mr.ultramarine
  To end iproxtaco and brother coas argument ifound this in tau online forum
I just stumbled upon a white dwarf the other day featuring the results of the Eye of Terror campaign.
Games Workshop clearly wanted to sugar coat the loss for the forces of order, by saying that many of the key worlds were still held.
Now this is a lie and nothing more. The imperium lost, utterly. Every single world on Cadia, Belis Corona and Agrippina were basically almost solidly controlled by chaos at the end of the campaign. Cadia itself had a control of around 30%, the only planet that sort of held out was destroyed by the planet killer.
The only consolation to this all round loss was that the Eldar absolutely massacred the forces of disorder in the webway sectors (esp Belial IV) and that the Caliban, Medusa, Chincare and Nemesis Tessera are in firm control of the forces of order. But there was no denying it, the Cadian gate realistically were under the firm control of the forces of disorder.
Anyone care to have a stab at why the forces of order players seem so much more incompetent? Where as the forces of disorder had a doctrine, a high command (was it the triad?) and a strategum of how they engaged the enemy, the forces of order wasted tens of thousands of battles trying to mop up lost worlds and secure their control on a system level, which was stupid in the first place. We spent 4000 victories on St Josmane's hope in a counter attack that gained around a 20% come back, whilst by this time the forces of disorder had already moved on (I think to Macharius or something) and eventually the world was destroyed. Thats 6000 victories for nothing. On a pure victory number thing, every single place had almsot equal number of victories, but the forces of order just didn't know how to make them count. There was no unity, no plan.
Ironically, the forces of disorder were well ordered whilst the forces of order were in utter chaos and had to rely on sheer numbers most of the time.
So there it is.
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Post by: Deadshot
Well,I just finished a 2 month GW campaign,in which the chaos forces obliterated the Imperium.
Week 1-Imperium wins,gets feel no pain for 1 game turn,all campaign
week 2-chaos win,gets to infiltrate all troops
week 3-chaos win,gets no force org.
week 4-imperium win,chaos get to upgrade a modal with a force weapon that doubles toughness(Doom of Malan'tai)
week 4,imperial win-chaos get to deep strike everything
week 6-imperium win,they get twinlinked for one turn,all weapons in the army.They had one game to use it and forgot.
Yesterday and Today-Apocalypes-Imperium thrashed-Cadia is destroyed
Hope that is worth something.
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Post by: Inquisitor Bond
Does this have to be an imperial world? Because I would imagine there are better ones.
Ala, any necron tomb world. I do not recall any piece of fluff of any tomb world being taken/destroyed SINCE the necrons woke up and the eldar lost all the talismans of Vaul.
Commoragh, repelled a whole Orky thingie and a Space Marine chapter, and the only reason any part of it was damaged? They were working against themselves for intrigue and "just as planned".
A chaos planet (i forget what the actual word is) but where the warp and the materium overlap in such a way as reality is warped to the whims of the god to whom it belongs. No amount of force could take something where the laws of physics do not apply.
I think the palace is overrated. Sure it repelled abaddon, but that was with the assistance of 3 loyalist legions (which don;t tend to hang around terra these days). Also Horus only had the resources of HALF the imperium at MOST. And he was knockin on the door. This was also at the height of the imperium, when the emperor himself fought in defence of the palace? Nowerdays, an individual with similar might to Horus (abaddon isn;t even close!) could get to there again, and no emprah to stop them.
My piece.
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Post by: Doctor Khorne
Id say most likely terra as a whole or the Phalanx, if you would count that.
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Post by: The Bloodbearer
If we're saying off Terra then the best is the fang, it's not the strongest, Obviously as a GK player i'd say Titan is the strongest but the fang is one of the strongest, it held off the thousand sons and it must look the best.
The rocks not bad but is that a fortress or a ship?
Obviously, the Imperial Palace is the most defencible though.
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Post by: Sharkvictim
1) I for one think the Black Templar fleet should count in the running. They are out there crusading around la-de-da but do you ever hear of anyone attacking them? No.
2) The fang. If you are going to bar the Imperial Palace then the doghouse is pretty slick. I'm reading 'battle of the fang' atm, and as a CSM player with a 1K Sons bent, I can humbly say SW have it going on.
3) Mars. Whereas fortress worlds aren't necessarily fortresses, you can bet forge worlds are. They are super-secretive about their tech. GKs don't even know how half of their stuff works, and they're the only ones with it. Though there is a bit of fluff from the current CSM codex where they hint at Mars possibly being a necron tombworld or something. Look it up, it's on the page with Huron. Go ahead... I'll wait...
That's my 2 cents.
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Post by: purplefood
Sharkvictim wrote:1) I for one think the Black Templar fleet should count in the running. They are out there crusading around la-de-da but do you ever hear of anyone attacking them? No.
2) The fang. If you are going to bar the Imperial Palace then the doghouse is pretty slick. I'm reading 'battle of the fang' atm, and as a CSM player with a 1K Sons bent, I can humbly say SW have it going on.
3) Mars. Whereas fortress worlds aren't necessarily fortresses, you can bet forge worlds are. They are super-secretive about their tech. GKs don't even know how half of their stuff works, and they're the only ones with it. Though there is a bit of fluff from the current CSM codex where they hint at Mars possibly being a necron tombworld or something. Look it up, it's on the page with Huron. Go ahead... I'll wait...
That's my 2 cents.
The BT fleet is scattered across the Imperium.
If you knew their locations and headings it would be relatively simple to wipe out significant portions of them provided you had competant naval assets at your disposal.
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Post by: Sharkvictim
yeah good point. i assumed they probably regroup every now and then to plot new and wondrous crusades in the name of the false emperor, but still they wouldn't be just sitting in one place.
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Post by: Da Boss
No force has ever taken the Fang because no one wants to land a giant army on an unstable death world- there's no friggin' benefit.
Macragge took the full force of a hive fleet to the face.
Baal is likewise a deathworld, not sure why it's on any of these lists except that it has a chapter based on it.
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Post by: purplefood
Da Boss wrote:No force has ever taken the Fang because no one wants to land a giant army on an unstable death world- there's no friggin' benefit.
Macragge took the full force of a hive fleet to the face.
Baal is likewise a deathworld, not sure why it's on any of these lists except that it has a chapter based on it.
That's actually a good point...
There are very few SM chapter homeworlds worth invading and occupying. Once you kill the chapter off they are fairly worthless.
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Post by: Deadshot
Macragge was mauled by Behemoth,which was one of thwe small fleets,and it took Ultramar and Tempestus fleet to win.Even then,Calgar badly wounded,Dominus Astra had to kill itself,Prandium was lost,the first company destroyed entirely.
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Post by: AustonT
The title of this Thread virtually answers itself. Terra is clearly the biggest and best Imperial fortress. You can't disqualify it, that's like saying,"what's the most influential city in the Roman republic, but you can't say Rome" or what's the Capitol of England but you can't say London.
No Space Marine Fortress Monastary even competes in this category. Period. As for the OPs void shields make the Fang the best. The Ark Tyrannus had void shields...that ended well.
Space Marine FMs are valuable only for the marines inside, thier geneseed stores, and as a symbol.
The entire Sol system is one big mess of stay the feth out. Terra, Mars, Titan. I'd imagine the Inquisition, Mechanicus, and Navy all have Home Fleets. It's also the cradle of humanity, no other world holds the same value as Earth.
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Post by: iproxtaco
Da Boss wrote:No force has ever taken the Fang because no one wants to land a giant army on an unstable death world- there's no friggin' benefit.
Macragge took the full force of a hive fleet to the face.
Baal is likewise a deathworld, not sure why it's on any of these lists except that it has a chapter based on it.
I'd like to point you to Battle of the Fang. Lets just say that it didn't end well for the Space Wolves, and it was certainly beneficial to land a giant army on it. Automatically Appended Next Post: The Bloodbearer wrote:If we're saying off Terra then the best is the fang, it's not the strongest, Obviously as a GK player i'd say Titan is the strongest but the fang is one of the strongest, it held off the thousand sons and it must look the best.
The rocks not bad but is that a fortress or a ship?
Obviously, the Imperial Palace is the most defencible though.
It didn't hold off the Thousand Sons.
The Rock is what's left of Caliban. It's riddled with ancient chambers and tunnels, but it isn't a completely secure fortress.
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Post by: Deadshot
Let's just see, in excruciating detail, what defends Terra.
First(that I know of), is Titan.Home of the GK, the mega maruines with SRs,Force Weapons, and more ruthlessness than you can shake a Hellblade at.
Then you have Jupiter and the Space Ports.Enough said.
Then there is Mars.The Big Daddy of FWs.Probably more weapons and Titans there than in the Whole of Ultramar.
Somewherte in there you have the Inquisition,who say you fight,and you MUST fight.There isn't even the question of "what if I don't?"You do.
By this time,the IoM will have heard the news,and you will have and 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000....Imperial Guardsmen and about 1000 chapters of 1000 SMs arriving to ram Laser Batteries and Vortex missiles up your rear end.
Then you have Terra's Orbital defences.No question it is the best defence system the Imperium can muster.
Then you have Terra itself.The citizens will fight with their last breath to defend Earth.
Then there is the Custodes.10,000ish Super Space Marine type guys.Finally,you have to get into the Throne room,which was originally designed as a vault.
Then there is the 2 Warhound Titans who live inside.Fighting one Titan ibn a city,where there is buildings to hide behind,is difficult enough,but 2? In an open area?Not happening.Warhounds are the only Titan that can fit,so Chaos need Feral Titans.Eldar and Ork Titans are smaller,Nid Bio-Titans are as well.Even if you could get in,they would just be bottlenecked into the doorway.Trying to push past a fellow titan while get a fusilade of Turbo-Laser and Vulcan fire.
If you have anyone left by that stage,then all there is left is the EmperorKill him,watch the warp consume,and enter daemonhood,becuase the Gods would SERIOUSLY like you after that.
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Post by: Master of Arms
Lord Rogukiel wrote:LumenPraebeo wrote:You're all wrong, the Imperial Palace is not a fortress, it's actually a giant of an Emperor Class Titan, and it's body is half of Terra, with the Emperors Golden Throne Chamber as the cockpit. If Terra falls under siege, it will transform from a fortress into The Emperors-Emperor Titan, it has guns the size of mountains and can shoot missiles and plasma the size of meteors.
The earth will light ablaze and all life on Terra will die. The Emperor Titan will shoot laser out of its eyes powerful enough to cause exterminatus, and drop nuclear bombs out of its arse, it will eat other titans to fuel its engines and burp melta-fire. Then its feet will turn into rockets and it flies around the universe destroying all in it's path.
Wtf?
I beg to differ against whoever says that all worlds are Imperial. Maybe some crazed Imperium fanatic would think so, but anyone with a mind capable of processing information logically would see that its completely false. The eye of terror worlds, the Tau empire, the Exodite worlds but to name a few which are most definately not Imperial worlds.
OT: As much as I like the Rock due my playing DA, I think other fortressess do have much more plot armour. As for the best, probably the Imperial Palace.
Of course all worlds belong to the imperium. (click) Dont they.....
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