What do you guys think? I think being ripped to shreds by a chain sword

Anything involving Dark Eldar.

Yeah they extend the pain pretty well, flesh gauntlets are probably up there.

being captured by Urien whatsizface of the dark eldar. nasty way to go.

Harlequin's Kiss must be pretty fun too

Being Virus bombed probably isn't merciful in any way. having your body decompose while still alive probably sucks.

Perils of the warp anyone? Utter terror until a Commissar puts a bolt in your head...

Tyranid weapons! They shoot beetles that crawl into your brain!

Vacuum of space. It's just absolute, uncaring death.

I would say Dark Eldar, but by the time they get around to killing you, they could take all week and it would still be sweet mercy.

Yeah, having your blood boil as your body slowly turns into jelly, then a gas, has to be horrible.

Being dragged off to Commoragh. About the fastest and least painful death possible in Commoragh would be being ripped limb from limb my a Clawed Fiend. The most painful doesn't bear to think about.

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, having your blood boil as your body slowly turns into jelly, then a gas, has to be horrible.

Your blood doesn't boil in space, and nor would you turn to jelly. Space is much, much colder than any planet, so you would freeze - eyes first most likely. The difference in pressure between your insides and out would mean you would simultaneously vomit, defecate, urinate and bleed from your nose (and other, delicate external organs). That said, unless you die of cold first - death by lack of oxygen isn't actually that painful. Your lungs would burn to begin with, but just before death your brain releases a massive surge of endorphins, so unless you froze to death you'd probably die giggling.

Ravenous D wrote:Tyranid weapons! They shoot beetles that crawl into your brain!

That's if you're lucky, some just eat the guts which is much slower.

Or gauss weapons which strip you atom by atom!

Killed by a Fire Warrior in melee combat. Not painful physically just emotionally.

A humiliating and badly-written death at the hands of Kaldor Draigo? Nobody deserves to go like that.

that would be painful!

Nurgles choisest plagues and mixtures. Hell, your immortal soul turns into a plague bearer more often than not...

Eldar D-Cannon seems pretty nasty.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:Being dragged off to Commoragh. About the fastest and least painful death possible in Commoragh would be being ripped limb from limb my a Clawed Fiend. The most painful doesn't bear to think about.

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, having your blood boil as your body slowly turns into jelly, then a gas, has to be horrible.

Your blood doesn't boil in space, and nor would you turn to jelly. Space is much, much colder than any planet, so you would freeze - eyes first most likely. The difference in pressure between your insides and out would mean you would simultaneously vomit, defecate, urinate and bleed from your nose (and other, delicate external organs). That said, unless you die of cold first - death by lack of oxygen isn't actually that painful. Your lungs would burn to begin with, but just before death your brain releases a massive surge of endorphins, so unless you froze to death you'd probably die giggling.

You don't actually lose heat very quickly in space. There is no matter around you so heat can not be conducted or convected away from you. The only way to lose heat is through radiation, so it is doubtful that you would freeze before you die.

Having your flesh stripped off and some Super Acid poured onto your bare flesh...That's a Talos Pain Engine for you

Nicholas wrote:Killed by a Fire Warrior in melee combat. Not painful physically just emotionally.

, yeah that would be pretty bad, although it would be a close call between being killed by a Fire Warrior in CC, or by a grot at whatever.

Trickstick wrote:You don't actually lose heat very quickly in space. There is no matter around you so heat can not be conducted or convected away from you. The only way to lose heat is through radiation, so it is doubtful that you would freeze before you die.

Well then you would be in agony for about 30 seconds and then giggling for another 20 until death by asphyxiation killed you.

Rampage wrote:

Nicholas wrote:Killed by a Fire Warrior in melee combat. Not painful physically just emotionally.

, yeah that would be pretty bad, although it would be a close call between being killed by a Fire Warrior in CC, or by a grot at whatever.

Speaking of which... well, simply put, Termi with Twin Lightning claws gets owned... in CC... by a firewarrior.

[url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0AiS8OPOL0[/url] starts at around 2:14

Abstract Catalyst wrote:

Trickstick wrote:You don't actually lose heat very quickly in space. There is no matter around you so heat can not be conducted or convected away from you. The only way to lose heat is through radiation, so it is doubtful that you would freeze before you die.

Well then you would be in agony for about 30 seconds and then giggling for another 20 until death by asphyxiation killed you.

I agree, death by vacuum would be a horrible way to go.

My cote would have to go for something dark eldar or daemon related.

Probably having your testicles slammed in the hatch of a rhino by a primarch while being tickled by a venomthrope

Nom'd nom'd by rippers

Bio acid or Eviscerated by an ork

On the battlefield: Talos pain engine.

Outside of the battlefield: Anything releated to Dark Eldar. I heard they can keep their victims alive for centuries while eviscerating them over and over again.

whatwhat wrote:Probably having your testicles slammed in the hatch of a rhino by a primarch while being tickled by a venomthrope

Yeah that would do it. I once heard a story (don't know if true) that this guy playing rugby got his leg dislocated (bad enough) but when they popped it back in they got one of his testis caught in the socket! Apparently you could hear the screams for miles before he passed out. Any testi trauma is bad, be it Rhino hatch or whatever (not quite sure how you'd get them caught in a Rhino hatch though).

monkeyh wrote:

whatwhat wrote:Probably having your testicles slammed in the hatch of a rhino by a primarch while being tickled by a venomthrope

Yeah that would do it. I once heard a story (don't know if true) that this guy playing rugby got his leg dislocated (bad enough) but when they popped it back in they got one of his testis caught in the socket! Apparently you could hear the screams for miles before he passed out. Any testi trauma is bad, be it Rhino hatch or whatever (not quite sure how you'd get them caught in a Rhino hatch though).

That Dark Eldar pain whip thing.

It tells your body to hurt as much as it phsyically can before dropping dead.

Or a Carnifex gobbing up molecular acid all over you.

Being eaten alive by tyranids. Being eaten alive by anything for that matter.

Being crushed by a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT wouldn't be fun either.

Snotling being test-pilot for a Shokk Attack Gun.

You are loaded into a big scary whirry thing, shot through the warp until you are insane with terror and then make a mach lots entry through some solid object.

And to add insult to injury, in one ancient battle report, materialize inside a terminator's helm and get your head bitten off and spat out as he goes his merry way..

King Pariah wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Nicholas wrote:Killed by a Fire Warrior in melee combat. Not painful physically just emotionally.

, yeah that would be pretty bad, although it would be a close call between being killed by a Fire Warrior in CC, or by a grot at whatever.

Speaking of which... well, simply put, Termi with Twin Lightning claws gets owned... in CC... by a firewarrior.

[url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0AiS8OPOL0[/url] starts at around 2:14

Oh my god is that video serious, Ninja Tau ,what happened to WS 2

That's one of the stupidest videos I've seen.

worst way to die? as a daemon prince of slaanesh's play thing

coolyo294 wrote:That's one of the stupidest videos I've seen.

Actually I liked the animation, but the Tau killing terminator AND a sergeant in CC was just stupid, considering that he is not even a Shas'ui.

Ascalam wrote:Snotling being test-pilot for a Shokk Attack Gun.

You are loaded into a big scary whirry thing, shot through the warp until you are insane with terror and then make a mach lots entry through some solid object.

And to add insult to injury, in one ancient battle report, materialize inside a terminator's helm and get your head bitten off and spat out as he goes his merry way..

On the other hand, getting a now maniacal snotling teleported into your throat must be pretty much as brutal, don't you think?

Either its being hit by monomolecular wire.

Or ist a headhot from an ork who's half a mile away. Its like being killed by a tau in cc

ajax22 wrote:What do you guys think? I think being ripped to shreds by a chain sword

That's the first thing that came to mind.

Being exploded by a bolter round probably would suck too.

I'd have to go with being the target of the Shokk attack gun. An insane snotling materializing in your guts, and clawing it's way out would be pretty traumatizing...

Heavy flamer would be fairly bad.

Ravenous D wrote:Tyranid weapons! They shoot beetles that crawl into your brain!

Yea Id agree with that one. Infact if I had to go against Nids ever, Id PREY that I was butchered by one of their close combat types, hormaguants or Genestealers...something like that. At least it would be a fast death, some diamond hard razor sharp claw just running me through in the vitals would be a fine way to go.

Being eaten alive by super beetles? No thanks. Being melted by some super slime? Uhmm.....Ill pass. Being picked up and snipped in 2 and be dead before I hit the ground? Yes...Ill take that one

+1 on that quick and painless!

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:That's one of the stupidest videos I've seen.

Actually I liked the animation, but the Tau killing terminator AND a sergeant in CC was just stupid, considering that he is not even a Shas'ui.

First I was like and and "what the "

...and then I was like

King Pariah wrote:

Battle Brother Ambrosius wrote:

coolyo294 wrote:That's one of the stupidest videos I've seen.

Actually I liked the animation, but the Tau killing terminator AND a sergeant in CC was just stupid, considering that he is not even a Shas'ui.

First I was like and and "what the "

...and then I was like

I went fire warrior with ninja sword, then ninja Tau, then this is ridiculous.

coolyo294 wrote:Anything involving Dark Eldar.

Me too no doubt!

Anything involving a Terminator

monkeyh wrote:

whatwhat wrote:Probably having your testicles slammed in the hatch of a rhino by a primarch while being tickled by a venomthrope

Yeah that would do it. I once heard a story (don't know if true) that this guy playing rugby got his leg dislocated (bad enough) but when they popped it back in they got one of his testis caught in the socket! Apparently you could hear the screams for miles before he passed out. Any testi trauma is bad, be it Rhino hatch or whatever (not quite sure how you'd get them caught in a Rhino hatch though).

I fail to see how that would work - there's no way you could trap your testicle between your femur and your hip. I mean, the joint is inside your body, with an inch or so of muscle, skin and other tissue in the way.

Being tortured by the inquisition for information after being decreed a heretic by someone high up, ugh they will stop at no lengths

First thing that came to mind - being sat on by a Gargantuan Squiggoth.

Andilus Greatsword wrote:First thing that came to mind - being sat on by a Gargantuan Squiggoth.

Worse a Great Unclean One

DE or tyranids... any means of death that either of these races comes up with is going to be particularly pleasant.

Abstract Catalyst wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Yeah, having your blood boil as your body slowly turns into jelly, then a gas, has to be horrible.

Your blood doesn't boil in space, and nor would you turn to jelly. Space is much, much colder than any planet, so you would freeze - eyes first most likely. The difference in pressure between your insides and out would mean you would simultaneously vomit, defecate, urinate and bleed from your nose (and other, delicate external organs). That said, unless you die of cold first - death by lack of oxygen isn't actually that painful. Your lungs would burn to begin with, but just before death your brain releases a massive surge of endorphins, so unless you froze to death you'd probably die giggling.

actually, you do boil away.

as pressure decreases, so too does the boiling point of any liquid. when pressure is reduced to zero, the liquid will instantly turn into a gas.


Look up the Bends, officially called Decompression Sickness, a condition divers can get.

it happens when, at high pressure, gases which at Sea Level are gasses become dissolved in your blood and internal organs. If a diver returns to the surface, and lower pressure, too quickly the gases can form bubbles in your blood stream. this is a potentially lethal problem.

coolyo294 wrote:That's one of the stupidest videos I've seen.

Yeah that was dumb as dumb can get, I dont even know where to start...

Stepped on by a titan
Fallen on by a dreadnought
Tortured by a interrogator chaplain
Landed on by a drop pod
Bit by a nurgling(s)
Run over by a tank
On a planet being hit with the exterminatus

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Nicholas wrote:Killed by a Fire Warrior in melee combat. Not painful physically just emotionally.

, yeah that would be pretty bad, although it would be a close call between being killed by a Fire Warrior in CC, or by a grot at whatever.

Speaking of which... well, simply put, Termi with Twin Lightning claws gets owned... in CC... by a firewarrior.

[url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0AiS8OPOL0[/url] starts at around 2:14

Oh my god is that video serious, Ninja Tau ,what happened to WS 2

Thats just, excuse the word, slowed.

The sword didn't even go in deep enough. a Terminators actual skull is much further back. the sword would simply have just broken some of the interior mechanisims.


and Tau are NOT ninjas dispite the obvious Japanese influence. they are I2 people, 2!!! a human moves faster then that.

Being the emperor, it's certainly the slowest death in 40k.

Everyone who is thinking of really painful or slow deaths is kind of straying away from the target. The idea was most brutal death, not necessarily most painful. Sure, being tortured by DE for weeks is really painful, but is it really as brutal as a chainsword? I think brutal deaths should be probably quicker and, well more visually grand if you see what I mean.

With that in mind, I'd say getting crushed by a Bloodthirster's axe in CC. It's quick, but that's alot of blood and guts flying around in the air.

Strangleweb.

Punisher Gatling Cannon wrote:Stepped on by a titan
Fallen on by a dreadnought
Tortured by a interrogator chaplain
Landed on by a drop pod
Bit by a nurgling(s)
Run over by a tank
On a planet being hit with the exterminatus

Being squished isn't that bad really; there are worse things wich last longer and are much mor uncomfortable

Your soul being tortured by daemons for eternity...anyone?

Being captured by a Haemonculus and at his "experimental" mercy

marauder6272 wrote:I'd have to go with being the target of the Shokk attack gun. An insane snotling materializing in your guts, and clawing it's way out would be pretty traumatizing...

Could be worse if you get one teleport inside your terminator armour and starts ripping you to sheds. Would be like getting set on by an angry cat but with no way to stop it....unless you start beating yourself with a power fist.

Being thrown into a Tyranid reclamation pool while still alive.

As Much as I hate em, definitly a shokk attack gun, having a gretchin war[ed inside you to rip you apart is just brutal

Being on the wrong end of a Death Or Glory attack against a Land Raider.

Something in a John Blanche drawing. Anything drawn that horrifically has to be painful.

The Most Interesting Commissar in the Galaxy and his bottle of Dos Aquillas. Nothing more needs to be said...

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:Nurgles choisest plagues and mixtures. Hell, your immortal soul turns into a plague bearer more often than not...

yeah. I gotta go with Nurgle on this one because you'd die a horrible, slow, agonizing death just so that you can be brought back to life by "grandfather Nurgle" to be killed by a bolter round.

Horribly slow isn't exactly brutal...

Try telling that to a Dark Eldar experiment.

true.

Your balls slowy and painfully mutating into demons then eating you from the bottom up, with no way to stop them. They would also take centuries to do it, putting you in excruciating pain.

chaoslooksgood wrote:Your balls slowy and painfully mutating into demons then eating you from the bottom up, with no way to stop them. They would also take centuries to do it, putting you in excruciating pain.

This

Grey Templar wrote:

actually, you do boil away.

as pressure decreases, so too does the boiling point of any liquid. when pressure is reduced to zero, the liquid will instantly turn into a gas.


Look up the Bends, officially called Decompression Sickness, a condition divers can get.

it happens when, at high pressure, gases which at Sea Level are gasses become dissolved in your blood and internal organs. If a diver returns to the surface, and lower pressure, too quickly the gases can form bubbles in your blood stream. this is a potentially lethal problem.

Whilst the bends and similar effects would occur due to the change in pressure, these are hardly an issue seeing as your lifespan is measured in minutes at best. You wouldn't boil, simply because space is too cold. There have been experiments done on humans and other organisms in vacuums, and one incident of accidental, unprotected exposure to a vacuum and the humans survived just fine, the only limiting factor was oxygen really. Other issues are things like sunburn and the bends, but they're minor when oxygen isn't present.

Link to NASA page on the issue.

Painful-Anthing with DE

Brutal-1-Being on the underside of a Deff Rolla
2-Getting in the path of a carnifex on his way to tackle a baneblade.

Having just come to the rescue of some GK in a bad situation. Saving their backsides. Only to have the say thanks for all your help,but you cannot know we exist Storm bolter to the head for being a hero.

Grey Templar wrote:

Nicholas wrote:

King Pariah wrote:

Rampage wrote:

Nicholas wrote:Killed by a Fire Warrior in melee combat. Not painful physically just emotionally.

, yeah that would be pretty bad, although it would be a close call between being killed by a Fire Warrior in CC, or by a grot at whatever.

Speaking of which... well, simply put, Termi with Twin Lightning claws gets owned... in CC... by a firewarrior.

[url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0AiS8OPOL0[/url] starts at around 2:14

Oh my god is that video serious, Ninja Tau ,what happened to WS 2

Thats just, excuse the word, slowed.

The sword didn't even go in deep enough. a Terminators actual skull is much further back. the sword would simply have just broken some of the interior mechanisims.


and Tau are NOT ninjas dispite the obvious Japanese influence. they are I2 people, 2!!! a human moves faster then that.

I have no idea why people are taking this even a tad seriously.

Jaws of the war wolf against my avatar and rolled a 6.

The fluff for the Talos says that it picks up its target and starts halving it until it's down to flakes basically, I'd say that.
Or that missile off the Jetfighter that explodes in a circular disk several feet off the ground and cuts everything in half that it touches.

AzureDeath wrote:Jaws of the war wolf against my avatar and rolled a 6.

That's not that brutal.

Being melta'ed just sounds dead awful. I would hate to be turned into a slag of i dont know what

Failing a DoG

Being killed by Aun'Va. You'd die so slowly and ineffecitvely, whilst suffering as much humiliation as possible in the process. Your comrades look on, unable to decide whether to mourn your death, or laugh at how it happened, as Aun'Va prods you with whatever he has to hand at that moment in time.

Avatar 720 wrote:Being killed by Aun'Va. You'd die so slowly and ineffecitvely, whilst suffering as much humiliation as possible in the process. Your comrades look on, unable to decide whether to mourn your death, or laugh at how it happened, as Aun'Va prods you with whatever he has to hand at that moment in time.

That definitely beat dying at the hands of ninja tau.

Avatar 720 wrote:Being killed by Aun'Va. You'd die so slowly and ineffecitvely, whilst suffering as much humiliation as possible in the process. Your comrades look on, unable to decide whether to mourn your death, or laugh at how it happened, as Aun'Va prods you with whatever he has to hand at that moment in time.

The threads about the most brutal way to die, not the most humiliating(i'll make a thread for it )

Slanneshi/DE anything....Chainsword i would imagine would be quick if not send someone into an numb shock, i don't care to find out though.

I don't know if a chainsword actually would be quick.

if it cut your head in twain you would die instantly.


otherwise, you bleed to death. and after you are technically dead, your brain survives for about 5 minutes, regestering unbelivable pain and watching whatever is left of your body.

assuming your brain didn't shut off from sensory overload.

Grey Templar wrote:
otherwise, you bleed to death. and after you are technically dead, your brain survives for about 5 minutes, regestering unbelivable pain and watching whatever is left of your body.

Noooooooooooooooooooo.

The brain does not survive five minutes without blood circulation.

Not from what i have heard about heads being decapitated. the person is actually concious for several minutes after the neck is severed. of course the person can't do much.

Grey Templar wrote:Not from what i have heard about heads being decapitated. the person is actually concious for several minutes after the neck is severed. of course the person can't do much.

After blood stops circulating to the brain, consciousness is lost in a few seconds, with measurable brain activity ceasing in under a minute.

Have a devourer blade forcefully take ur soul from your body

Being killed by the Harelquin's Kiss

Mawloc error from the deep?

Having your horse punched out from under you by an Ork Warboss. Which is what happened in the Ork fluff section of the rulebook.

A Dreadnought with Blood Talons would chew you up pretty good too.

Grey Templar wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Being killed by Aun'Va. You'd die so slowly and ineffecitvely, whilst suffering as much humiliation as possible in the process. Your comrades look on, unable to decide whether to mourn your death, or laugh at how it happened, as Aun'Va prods you with whatever he has to hand at that moment in time.

The threads about the most brutal way to die, not the most humiliating(i'll make a thread for it )

It will be brutal; you're dying very slowly via small wounds over a very long period of time; the humiliation is just extra.

I know that there are ways i would like to die more than being jabbed to death by the space pope!

SMASHED BY A THUNDER HAMMER

Avatar 720 wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Being killed by Aun'Va. You'd die so slowly and ineffecitvely, whilst suffering as much humiliation as possible in the process. Your comrades look on, unable to decide whether to mourn your death, or laugh at how it happened, as Aun'Va prods you with whatever he has to hand at that moment in time.

The threads about the most brutal way to die, not the most humiliating(i'll make a thread for it )

It will be brutal; you're dying very slowly via small wounds over a very long period of time; the humiliation is just extra.

perhaps,

at least you can take comfort from the fact that the Space Pope will probably die of shock upon actually killing you. and then the whole Tau army runs away.

Flesh Gauntlets FTW!

Powerfist. Smash.

Being on the receiving end of Vulkan's Spear. That thing can melt through ceramite like it was paper. Imagine what it can do to an unarmored body!

Any tyrannic shooting weapon or nurglings

10 assault termies, 40 on a charge,re-wounds,power weapons...

I dont no about you but having ur insides getting ripped to shreds by a puny grechin isnt how i want to die.... Shokk attack gun for the win

It's not a Grot, it's an even punier little Snotling.

I dont think half you guys are getting what the question actually is. Most brutal way to die. In my minds eye, that would be the most horrific way to be killed that you could think of. Being stepped on by a Titan, your INSTANTLY dead, you would be you one moment, then a puddle of goo/blood/organ mush the next. You wouldnt even realize you died. Same concept by drop pod or a Dread falling on you. A dread?!? Seriously? You know how fething HEAVY those things are? Id be like a train car carrying a full load of coal, just tipping over on you. Your brain might register the image of the thing coming at you, then *squish*

Those would be MAAAAAaaaaany times better then some of the others mentioned. I agree, anything DE or most Tyranid weapons would be the worst way to go. Inquisition torture would be a pretty terrible way to die as well. A Terminator? Who ever said that needs to slap themselves in the testicles. Oh high giant hydraulically driven super human, whatcha got there for me? Oh a power fist? Thats not only hydraulically powered, but it has a crackling energy field that carves through anythi*squishy lightning sounds* Again, easy way to die


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coolyo294 wrote:It's not a Grot, it's an even punier little Snotling.

an they be crazy

Being explodificated by your dad. Because you stabbed him.

I can tell you guys about being killed by the dark eldar...I think the copy machine at my work is a device of theirs...the pain that thing has caused me...it is slowly destroying my soul...

I think that my dog is another DE torture device. Can't say for sure though...

At the mercy of either a Talos Pain Engine or Slaneesh Cultist. There won't be much left of you.

Being eatin alive by Ripper Swarms.

How about second edition barbed strangler. Nothing like having a fist sized spore pod shot into your flesh for it yo evolve and grow inside your own body tearing you apart as the tendrils wrap around your friends.

Brutal? A half dozen marker lights at your chest with a fulisade of broadsides taking aim.

Or being found by hungry hungry kroot.

kronk wrote:At the mercy of either a Talos Pain Engine or Slaneesh Cultist. There won't be much left of you.

or there might be more of you then you ever thought possable

How about getting your head taken off by a tau railgun solid shot. splat.

That wouldn't be painful.

No but it would be brutal and your friend whose standing next to you, how would he feel?

He would probably be dead, so he he couldn't feel anything.

ajax22 wrote:How about getting your head taken off by a tau railgun solid shot. splat.

Darnit...NINJA'D!!!

Other than by the odoriferous emanations of certain WH 40k players at tournaments, dying at the hands of the Inquisition or the Dark Eldar would be long and unpleasant.

Being in a deepstruck landraider that had a mishap, and being squished by all your battlebrothers!

A charging carnifex.
A DE disintergrator cannon.
A dreadknight with a Daemon Hammer playing golf with you as the ball.
Being swallowed by a Mawloc
Being kicked by a warhound titan
The Nightbringer
Being defeated by Space Pope,as he would have to cut off little tiny bits at a time.
Being fired through a SAG,but with the result that uses a template,where the snotling gets pulped.
A Heavy Venom Cannon,which shoots large quantities of crystalized acid at supersonic speed,smashing into you.
Getting run over by a Baneblade.
A rupture cannon.
Getting hugged by the Avatar.
A direct hit from a Vindicator.
Railguns.
Bolt of Change.
Sliced in half by a Bloodletter.
Possessed going ape.
Genestealers.
Getting hit by a Turboboosting SM bike.
Chainsword
Bolt round

Having Andy Chambers be a reason for it.