Hi All,

All of the events are online for 40K and Warhammer Fantasy, including the rules packets.

SoCal Smackdown events are being run by Adam from the Orange County Hammer & Bolter Leauge. The rules packets are up for both the fantasy and 40K events.

To see the packets, please visit: http://socalsmackdown.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&catid=45

If anyone has any questions, please contact Adam at adam@socalsmackdown.com

This should be a great event with lots of fun and prizes.

Best,
Adam

Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

I have a question...
...okay, I have two of them:
1.) What exactly is the painting matrix that is going to be used? My army was not paimted by me, I freely admit that; but I am wondering how much that is going to hurt me.
2.) What exactly is the Comp score based off of? I run an almost all Termimator a Deathwing army...
....How much is that going to effect me?

Both are mentioned in the packet with no clear definition given.

I emailed them the same questions Magilla. They said the guidelines would be posted to the site the packets on later this week. Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

Grimgob wrote: Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

I can do that....
...oh wait, I play Deathwing.

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Magilla Gurilla wrote:

Grimgob wrote: Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

I can do that....
...oh wait, I play Deathwing.

You can finish a game in that time but can your opponent? You play a larger army and you are looking at ending on turn #3

Phazael wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Q, given Adam's history, how is any of this surprising in the least. He still lists sponsors on his site that want nothing to do with his event, so he can try and trade on their good names. He is still trying to con people into laughable "deals" to run events at his con (the first group he talked to, he wanted to charge 500 dollars and badge costs for staff for the privilege of running a 40K GT for him). It does not surprise me in the least that he is plagiarizing parts of another group's packets and then trying to cannibalize their event.

This clown isn't just trying to do this with gaming, he tried a similar stunt earlier in the summer with an anime/sci-fi con the same weekend as anime expo, and got several companies from Japan to sink way too much into it before they realizes that his promise of thousands of attendees was not going to happen. He seems to think he is going to make a lot of money cannibalizing established geek events.

Blackmoor wrote:

Magilla Gurilla wrote:

Grimgob wrote: Everything looks good to me except 1h 45min rounds.

I can do that....
...oh wait, I play Deathwing.

You can finish a game in that time but can your opponent? You play a larger army and you are looking at ending on turn #3

Agree.
As I have that weekend off, I will give it a try as I can catch a ride with a friend who is going for the Malifaux.

Everyone gets one chance.

Lets start with the basics, we will be updating the timing to 2 hours per round.

We just spoke with GW who is fully supporting us for both the 40K and Fantasy events.

Winners of both the 40K and Fantasy two-day event will be given an invitation to the Throne & Skulls.

In addition, there are following gift certificates available to the GW online store for the winners of both two-day tournaments.

$150 - first place
$100 - second place
$50 - third place

The composition and rules matrix will be up later this week.

If anyone wants to know more please PM me.

adamr714 wrote:Lets start with the basics, we will be updating the timing to 2 hours per round.

We just spoke with GW who is fully supporting us for both the 40K and Fantasy events.

Winners of both the 40K and Fantasy two-day event will be given an invitation to the Throne & Skulls.

In addition, there are following gift certificates available to the GW online store for the winners of both two-day tournaments.

$150 - first place
$100 - second place
$50 - third place

The composition and rules matrix will be up later this week.

If anyone wants to know more please PM me.

Sounds good to me!
Especially since I already paid for the event!

sharkticon wrote:

Phazael wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Q, given Adam's history, how is any of this surprising in the least. He still lists sponsors on his site that want nothing to do with his event, so he can try and trade on their good names. He is still trying to con people into laughable "deals" to run events at his con (the first group he talked to, he wanted to charge 500 dollars and badge costs for staff for the privilege of running a 40K GT for him). It does not surprise me in the least that he is plagiarizing parts of another group's packets and then trying to cannibalize their event.

This clown isn't just trying to do this with gaming, he tried a similar stunt earlier in the summer with an anime/sci-fi con the same weekend as anime expo, and got several companies from Japan to sink way too much into it before they realizes that his promise of thousands of attendees was not going to happen. He seems to think he is going to make a lot of money cannibalizing established geek events.

Not sure where you are getting you facts, but please lets get them straight for everyone benefit:
1. Not sure what sponsors you are talking about as all of them signed-n last year and NONE of them have asked to be taken off the site. If they do I will be happy to remove the.
2. The only group we spoke to about runing a GT last year was Quinton, and we didn't charge anyone running events anything.
3. We do copy a lot of different formats and we do write our own too. The re-roll token is something that we did for the last two years for Privateer Press events.
4. AnimeExpo wasn't our event nor were we involved with the planning or talking to sponsors for it. We were approached, wanted to run events, but due to space we pulled out as there wasn't room for table-top gaming.

If anyone wants more details, please PM me or email me at adam [at] socalsmackdown.com


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Phazael wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:Who is the savvy tournament veteran that thought it would be a good idea to play a 2000 point game in 1 hour 45 minutes?

Interesting that much of the material is a direct lift from our packets from last year (including the reroll token and soft score terminology) but they didn't copy the round times...
Can't say I am thrilled that they are trying to schedule a Fantasy GT right on top of ours a half hour down the road, but I guess Adam is still pretty salty about us accepting a more stable deal with the Strategicon group, despite claims to the contrary. Guess its my own fault, since I accepted his request and emailed him all of our old packets to give him some ideas, I just wasn't expecting an attempt to donkey punch our Fantasy GT.

Oh well, if you are playing small model count lists, the 40k GT might be worth checking out (we are just doing one day things, so no conflict there), but I am certainly not going to endorse a competing Fantasy event on the same day that tries to do 2500 point games in 105 minute rounds. The only thing I can think of is that the new hotel must have limits on how long the event rooms can be open, or something. I mean, there is no accounting for time to do pairings between rounds and the round times run parallel in both game systems, so this is not possibly going to run at the schedule they have set. I think those round times will end up being at least 90 minutes longer than they are listed, unless the hotel has limited their time in the room, especially since this is (to my knowledge) Adam's first time running a two day event for 40k or Fantasy. He may have taken my suggestion and gotten some assistance from the Broadside folks, though, so it could be a tight run ship the day of.

I guess it wouldn't be the LA gaming scene if there wasn't drama and balkanization!

Again, please lets facts straight:
1. Quinton, you agreed in front of numerous people, at the end of the last SoCal Smackdown to run the GT for us and then you pulled out. No big deal, but we wish you would have told us before the GT deadline at the end of Dec. So you already knew what we were doing and realistically at this point, you really scheduled against us....but no hard feelings from our end.

2. You sent me the packets, but almost nothing is the same...please take a look again. The things that do match yours are taken from it and numerous other packages where you must have also gained your inspiration for them.

3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

4. As far as running events, I have been running tournaments for different games for more than a decade. Anyone that has any questions about our events and if they are professional, please call the LA Battle Bunker and they will let you know.

Last year for Privateer we ran two-day tournaments and they were well received, we decided to do the same this year for GW.

Like I said in the earlier post, if anyone has any questions or comments, please PM me or email me at adam [at] socalsmackdown.com

adamr714 wrote:
3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

This just show you don't play warhammer or 40k at all. "We talked with a lot of people" is more like a lie. Anyone play warhammer or 40k at an event knew they need 2 hour min to play. I am not sure by lying is the best method to get anything solve or clean up the misunderstanding.

tyllon wrote:
3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

This is what I was talking about. If you knew 40k, you know that you can't do 2000 points in 2 hours (sure some armies can, but some can't). That was the biggest problem that came out of Wargames Con was they tried 2000 points in 2 hours. You need over 2 hours to play a 2000 point game (2.5 hours might be ideal for a 2k game). It would have also been fine to play 1500 points at 1 hour 45 minutes.

I would recommend that if you want to stay at 2 hours per round you lower your point limit to around 1750 points.

adamr714 wrote:
1. Not sure what sponsors you are talking about as all of them signed-n last year and NONE of them have asked to be taken off the site. If they do I will be happy to remove the.

Funny, I know of at least one group that has raised questions about why they are still on the site.

2. The only group we spoke to about runing a GT last year was Quinton, and we didn't charge anyone running events anything.

Possible BS, I was in the room at the battle bunker when you talked to the GiP people, that's why I know the numbers. I admit you never used the term GT but you were asking for a ridiculous amount of money to run 40K events for you.

4. AnimeExpo wasn't our event nor were we involved with the planning or talking to sponsors for it. We were approached, wanted to run events, but due to space we pulled out as there wasn't room for table-top gaming.

I didn't say you were involved in AX, I said that you were involved in AM2, which was the same focus, same weekend, similar to what you are doing to SoCal Slaughter and Strategicon. You're involvement with AM2 was one of the first things mentioned to me about it by a pair of catalyst games reps.

Like Tyllon said, stretching the truth to various degrees may not be the best way to handle this.

I do have to admit that in my experience 2 hours for 2,500 points of WHFB is more than just a stretch... and 40k's pretty fast so even 2 hours and 30 minutes for WHFB might not cut it...

sharkticon wrote:

adamr714 wrote:
1. Not sure what sponsors you are talking about as all of them signed-n last year and NONE of them have asked to be taken off the site. If they do I will be happy to remove the.

Funny, I know of at least one group that has raised questions about why they are still on the site.

2. The only group we spoke to about runing a GT last year was Quinton, and we didn't charge anyone running events anything.

Possible BS, I was in the room at the battle bunker when you talked to the GiP people, that's why I know the numbers. I admit you never used the term GT but you were asking for a ridiculous amount of money to run 40K events for you.

4. AnimeExpo wasn't our event nor were we involved with the planning or talking to sponsors for it. We were approached, wanted to run events, but due to space we pulled out as there wasn't room for table-top gaming.

I didn't say you were involved in AX, I said that you were involved in AM2, which was the same focus, same weekend, similar to what you are doing to SoCal Slaughter and Strategicon. You're involvement with AM2 was one of the first things mentioned to me about it by a pair of catalyst games reps.

Like Tyllon said, stretching the truth to various degrees may not be the best way to handle this.

Facts...
1. You must be talking about Games I Play. I spoke to Brian last month and they aren't involved with Smackdown, but never asked to be taken off the site. If they want off the site, they just need to ask.
2. I spoke to GiP about 40K and Fantasy this year, however there was no money being asked for to run events. The amount was $350 and it was for a space in the dealer room like last year, which hasn't gone up. We also talked about them keeping all the fees for the tournaments, which they ran, same deal we did with Q last year. We would never charge an organizer to run a tournament.
3. Sorry, same answer as before but with AM2. Our entire involvement was we were asked to run events at it, which we didn't do.

For SoCal Smackdown, we looked for a three-day weekend, that is our crime. I haven't lied or told half-truths anywhere in here.

I will put it up to the majority for Fantasy and the time limit for 2,500 points. We can still move it to 2.5 hour rounds if that is what the majority wants.

sharkticon & Phazael: I understand that it can be frustrating to feel like someone has copied some portions of your own tournament rules and then is using them to run an event during the same weekend...but such is life. You've made your points and he has made his rebuttals, so from here on out I'd prefer if you'd take any further personal issues between you guys into some sort of private medium (like PMs or email).

At the end of the day the best run event always tends to win out.


adamr714:

I personally wouldn't consider playing in your event with the current round schedule. 1hr 45min for 2,000 points is a joke to me and 2 hour rounds for 2,000 points is still insanely unfun IMHO as you have a high likelyhood of not finishing your games unless you're playing a teeny-tiny army (and so is your opponent)...and if you do manage to finish your games in this time its likely because you're playing like an absolute mad-man to do so...which isn't my personal idea of fun. There's enough events out there nowadays that I'm drawing my own line in the sand and I'm just not going to bother attending events that don't give players the time to have an enjoyable game for the points values being used and IMHO 2 1/2 hours is the minimum needed to do that for 2,000 point armies.


Also, looking at your sample missions, they are an absolute mess. I know they're just samples, but if they're any indication of what your missions might look like then I'd be really afraid to attend. I'll give you some examples of what I'm talking about:


Mission #1:

Objective: It says to randomize which sections of the table have the artifacts. What the heck does this mean? It also says these are considered the primary objectives. What the heck does that mean (no other mention is made of primary or secondary objectives in the mission)?

Is the only way to contest an objective with a scoring unit unlike standard 40K rules which allow any unit to contest an objective? If so, why would you change this basic tenant of 40K 5th edition?

You should also probably mention what constitutes a draw (even though its pretty obvious).


Set-up: It says that the player who chooses their home quarter must deploy their entire army as one placement. What does this mean for infiltrators? Can units be put into reserve and/or outflank, deep strike, etc? The other two missions specifically say that infiltration, deep strike, etc, are allowed but this mission does not...does this mean these rules aren't allowed in this mission?


Bonus Battle Points: How exactly do you control more table quarters to get that bonus point? Do scoring units have to be entirely or only partially in a deployment zone to avoid that negative bonus point? What exactly is your commander? And giving people -1 bonus point for NOT getting a scoring unit in their opponent's deployment zone? Really? Do you really think that every army type should fairly able to get a scoring unit in their opponent's deployment zone?



Mission #2:

Objective: Is the only way to contest an objective with a scoring unit unlike standard 40K rules which allow any unit to contest an objective? If so, why would you change this basic tenant of 40K 5th edition?

To win this game do you really have to capture BOTH objectives as the mission seems to suggest? That seems utterly harsh. And what happens if one player captures one objective but their opponent captures none? Is this a draw or what? You need to clearly define what a win is and what constitutes a draw.


Scenario Special Rules: You mention that infiltrate (which isn't technically even a mission special rule anymore), Deep Strike & Night-fighting are used. does this mean reserves, including outflanking is not allowed?

And Night-Fighting for a whole game? Are you crazy? That's just nutballs for 5th edition...you're basically just handing the win to certain armies by including this rule for the whole game on this mission.


Set-up: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1.


Bonus Battle Points: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1.



Mission #3:

Objective: In the 2nd paragraph here, you totally mix up your terminology. The first sentence indicates that you're accruing kill points for killing UNITS, but then the rest of the paragraph seems to suggest you're only getting points for wiping out whole force organization choices. If the latter is true (which it seems to be), then you need to completely remove any reference to 'unit' from these rules as you are NOT getting points for destroying units but ONLY for wiping out whole force organization choices.

And IMHO, that mission is absolutely slowed. It means an entire IG platoon...every squad & every Chimera must be completely wiped out to get any points and its only worth...one point. Basically it will be a game of hiding one part of your force org choice somewhere safe and then rushing the other part forward knowing the enemy can't get any points from killing it. What a terrible game that would be!

Also, what constitutes a win, loss or draw in this mission?


Scenario Special Rules: Ummm, what is concealment? Perhaps this is a 4th edition mission you've badly updated for 5th edition?

As with mission #2, you mention that infiltrate (which isn't technically even a mission special rule anymore) and Deep Strike are used. does this mean reserves, including outflanking is not allowed?


Set-up: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1 & #2.


Bonus Battle Points: Same issues with the wording here as with Mission #1 & #2.



Anyway, that's my feedback. I do not think I will be attending as your time schedule and sample missions give me every indication that this is not the kind of event I'm interested in attending.


Good luck, though!

adamr714 wrote:

Facts...
1. You must be talking about Games I Play. I spoke to Brian last month and they aren't involved with Smackdown, but never asked to be taken off the site. If they want off the site, they just need to ask.
2. I spoke to GiP about 40K and Fantasy this year, however there was no money being asked for to run events. The amount was $350 and it was for a space in the dealer room like last year, which hasn't gone up. We also talked about them keeping all the fees for the tournaments, which they ran, same deal we did with Q last year. We would never charge an organizer to run a tournament.
3. Sorry, same answer as before but with AM2. Our entire involvement was we were asked to run events at it, which we didn't do.

For SoCal Smackdown, we looked for a three-day weekend, that is our crime. I haven't lied or told half-truths anywhere in here.

I will put it up to the majority for Fantasy and the time limit for 2,500 points. We can still move it to 2.5 hour rounds if that is what the majority wants.

adamr714 wrote:
3. The hotel has nothing to do with it for timing as we are running games starting at 5 on Friday and running straight through Monday at 5. We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time, but we have change rounds to 2 hours. We are happy to listen and change.

This statement itself is an lie. If " We talked to a lot of people that said it was enough time" happened then you knew 1.45 is not enough. The rest, I can't said any mistatement or care to find out. Anyone play 40k or warhammer knew 1.45 is not enough time for a round.

I'm not trying to be negative here, just my two cents.

2k needs 2.5 hours to be fun. You also need at least 15 minutes between rounds and that is if you run things very smoothly and get pairings done fast, which doesn't usually happen in battle point missions.

Writing your own missions is a recipe for disaster. As yak pointed out, they leave too much ambiguity and are usually very imbalanced. Book missions work great. Nova missions or adepticon missions also work great. What you have now, won't.

Like I said, just my two cents.

@ all concerned:
Just to wrap this all up, and quell any rumors-
Adam and Henry offered us a descent deal to run the event we did for them last year and we were very pleased with how the Smackdown proceeded last year. Strategicon simply offered us a long term stable deal that we had to take, given the options before us. I had wanted to repeat the Smackdown, but running two events the same weekend was beyond our capacity and Strategicon, understandably, did not want us running competing events either.

Adam was upset by this, partly from the timing, which I understand and I am solely responsible for. I had a limited time in which to finalize a decission for the event venue. I was fine endorsing their running of a 40k GT that weekend and have (up until this thread) offered verbal support for that event. At Adam's request, I also sent him copies of every event packet we have put out in the last four years to give him some ideas to work from, which is where some of the soft scoring and such came from. A third party who loves to stir up drama led Adam to believe we were not being genuine in speaking positively about the Smackdown, which is demonstrably false as Scott even talked about it at the Bay Area Open to people. I have continously (even in this thread) recommended to people that who want to play in a 40k GT in two weeks to check out the Smackdown.

Where I take issue is the addition of the Fantasy GT on the same exact weekend as our Fantasy event, which is going to do zero to help an already flagging Fantasy community. Since Adam and Henry insist on going head to head with the Strategicon group and doing an event on the same weekend (I have suggested Thanksgiving Weekend in the past, since there would be no competiting event), my recommendation to Adam has always been that he run a 40k GT and two one day Fantasy events. This would prevent us from competing with each other for the same limited player base. I even went as far as to recommend various people to assist him in running the events, notably the Broadside guys and the Chosen, who probably would have given him the same advice.

How or why he decided to add a Fantasy GT this week, I cannot say, but it does bother me since we have been referring 40k players interested in a GT to him in good faith.

Anyhow, those are the basic facts as I understand them. Sorry to muck up the thread Yak, but I want the facts known and public so that people don't come up with a bunch of conjecture and cause drama based on it.

@Topic
If there is no limit on the time you have the room, then you need to extend the round length to 2.5 hours for the point levels you are choosing. Furthermore, you need to stagger the Fantasy and 40k times or you will end up behind all day trying to schedule rounds.

Also, if you are going to use non-book scenarios, they need to all be available for people to test with and build lists. Nothing will equal the nerd rage of someone who brings Footdar or Horde Orks, when you spring an unexpected "requires mobility" style mission on them out of left field. If the missions are all posted, then flawed or not, people can make the nessecary adjustments to their list to compete.

Latest news I have herd:

Rounds will be 2h30min, so now there is plenty of time to finish your rounds.

Missions, they will be using a mix of Adepticon and book missions so now they will be balanced to all armys.

Bonus points, are now going to be more balanced and I think they are making it so only one opponant will be able to claim the points each match.

It sounds like they are really listening and want to put on an event that the community can get behind. Also its sounding alot better and I hope more of the tourny regulars will come. Plus its only 10$ plus con registration which is pretty cheap including that it now has a golden ticket for the wienners.

I'll see ya there if you're rollin Levi!

Great have to face Grimgobs Orks again!

Nothing like getting shot to death by orks!

I will be there.

Any fantasy players in this thread?

I'll be showing up with Dwarfs, for whatever it's worth.

Any word on the new and updated player packet?

Sorry, Bronchitis got in the way this week. Working on it and should have it up by Monday.

Time is now:2h30min per round
Missions: Adepticon (with permission) + book missions

Adam - Could you please include the comp and painting matrix?
I am taking my Deathwing no matter what, just want to see how bad I am gonna get hammered!

This also applies to the Fantasy tournament as well correct?

Magilla Gurilla wrote:Adam - Could you please include the comp and painting matrix?
I am taking my Deathwing no matter what, just want to see how bad I am gonna get hammered!

Their isn't a Comp matrix, but there is a sportsmanship matrix. You may get hammered, but it won't be terrible, you just won't win the best army award.

The painting matrix is completed, and will be put up shortly.


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Cryonicleech wrote:This also applies to the Fantasy tournament as well correct?

Correct.

Where do we submit our list at?

Grimgob wrote:Where do we submit our list at?

Yea, what he said!

Please send them to adam@socalsmackdown.com

Have the new player packets been uploaded?

I just sent an email to adam about it. It seams like from what I herd there is no comp but a sportmanship checklist at the end of your games. they might be using list comp for the inital pairings though.

New packets for 40K and Fantasy will be uploaded tomorrow as well as the painting guide.

We won't be using a comp score for the tournament, it will be more heavily focused on sportsmanship.

Thanks for the update.
It is very much appreciated that you have listened to the feedback.

Hi All,

The new rules and timing are up on the site and can be seen at:http://socalsmackdown.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&catid=45

Timing for both has been changed to 2hr30min, to give everyone time to play well and enjoy their games.

Painting guide has also been put up on the same page. Painting will count for 20% of your total score. This will also determine best painted for both 40K and Fantasy.

I appreciate the constructive feedback and want to make this the best event that we can for you. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.

Thanks and look forward to hopefully seeing some of you at the event.

Best,
Adam

adamr714 wrote:Hi All,

The new rules and timing are up on the site and can be seen at:http://socalsmackdown.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=144&catid=45

Timing for both has been changed to 2hr30min, to give everyone time to play well and enjoy their games.

Painting guide has also been put up on the same page. Painting will count for 20% of your total score. This will also determine best painted for both 40K and Fantasy.

I appreciate the constructive feedback and want to make this the best event that we can for you. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.

Thanks and look forward to hopefully seeing some of you at the event.

Best,
Adam

This needs to be removed from page 3 of your packet:

Daemon Hunter players with a hard copy version of their book may select Witch Hunter and Inducted Guard/Marine allies, as outlined within those books.

And assuming you're not using the new Sisters of Battle White Dwarf army list for your tournament (and as part 2 of the codex won't be out until September, I'm guessing you're not) then this part can stay:

Witch Hunter players with a hard copy version of their book may select Daemon Hunter and Inducted Guard/Marine allies, as outlined within those books.

But needs to be changed to:

Witch Hunter players with a hard copy version of their book may select Inducted Guard/Marine allies, as outlined within those books.

I have to say that I really like how this rules packet looks and how things are going to work. Hopefully I'll be able to make it.

@Yakface: Thank you for the feedback, it is appreciated. The changes will be made.

Does that mean your thinking about coming Yak? We keep missing playing each other at these events.

Grimgob wrote:Does that mean your thinking about coming Yak? We keep missing playing each other at these events.

Well, I do love the Adepticon-style three tiered mission objectives, so it is very tempting...although you do know that Battlewagon Orks is a terrible match-up for me so if we ever played you'd likely destroy me unless something wacky happened.

But I actually don't think I can make it as I have already committed to being out of town that weekend. So unless something changes, I definitely won't be able to make it.

I also am looking forward to trying the three tier missions as I have never played them. Wacky is synonamous with Orks and I love a challange so we should meet up sometime and swap armys for a game. sorry to hear you wont be there, you will be missed.

How many people are coming so far? Some of the Zero Comp team is thinking about making the trip.

Reecius wrote:How many people are coming so far? Some of the Zero Comp team is thinking about making the trip.

Right now the numbers aren't really in as it seems that most register at the door. We have about 10 pre-registered for both.

Wish I could give you more specific numbers.

Originally I was not planning on attending due to some of the problems that seemed to be surrounding the event in combination with having gone to the NOVA the weekend before, but after all the changes that have been made due to feedback I am really gonna try and make it out. See ya there.

I will not be there because I need to take a weekend off.

What is the Warmachine/Hordes expected turnout? Have people registered for the Iron Arena events? From what I read, all the WM events are free outside of door registration?

I'll probably make it out there along with the rest of Zero Comp.

Looking forward to hanging out with some Dakkanauts!

drpieceofme wrote:What is the Warmachine/Hordes expected turnout? Have people registered for the Iron Arena events? From what I read, all the WM events are free outside of door registration?

All of the WM events should have really good attendance. The Iron Arena and Hardcore are filling up nicely.

adamr714 wrote:All of the WM events should have really good attendance. The Iron Arena and Hardcore are filling up nicely.

Excellent. I'll see if I can get a few of my buddies from GMI to make the short trip down. Is Battlefoam planning on having a booth?

~Greg V.

skrewpa wrote:Originally I was not planning on attending due to some of the problems that seemed to be surrounding the event in combination with having gone to the NOVA the weekend before, but after all the changes that have been made due to feedback I am really gonna try and make it out. See ya there.

It would be nice to see you again. How'd your Orange Necrons do at Nova?

Blackmoor wrote:I will not be there because I need to take a weekend off.

You deserve it.

See all you Zero Comp guys this weekend Bringing your wolves Reece?

drpieceofme wrote:

adamr714 wrote:All of the WM events should have really good attendance. The Iron Arena and Hardcore are filling up nicely.

Excellent. I'll see if I can get a few of my buddies from GMI to make the short trip down. Is Battlefoam planning on having a booth?

~Greg V.

Battlefoam made a last minute decision not to come as they are burned out from GenCon and had PAX last weekend. They did however send prize support and Brookhurst should have a large amount of their podcut for sale.

Battlefoam should be at the convention next year.

I will be there with the rest of the zero comp crew.

adamr714 wrote:Battlefoam made a last minute decision not to come as they are burned out from GenCon and had PAX last weekend. They did however send prize support and Brookhurst should have a large amount of their podcut for sale.

Battlefoam should be at the convention next year.

Works for me. Just need some foam for my Titans. Any idea if Privateer Press is going to sell their pre-release models?

I just registered, but I have a question with the re-roll dice. Is that basically used once per game so we can basically get 5 re-rolls over the course of the tournament or is it once per tournament? Just want to have an obvious answer out there for people to prepare hehe =).

Grimgob wrote:

It would be nice to see you again. How'd your Orange Necrons do at Nova?

I ended up going 5-3. One of my losses was really close, but the other 2 were just turn 4 phase out rape trains. Mech Blood Angels and Wych heavy DE.

All in all it was a very fun time and I was pleased to come out with a winning record. I really hope I have the funds to make it out again next year.

I'm sure I'll get into the particulars when we are shooting the gak this weekend at the Smackdown. See ya there.

mortetvie wrote:I just registered, but I have a question with the re-roll dice. Is that basically used once per game so we can basically get 5 re-rolls over the course of the tournament or is it once per tournament? Just want to have an obvious answer out there for people to prepare hehe =).

There-roll dice is useable once during the convention...use it as you see fit. On the other hand, you can buy more $3 each and all the money benefits the Make-A-Wish Foundation. You can use a maximum of 1 re-roll d6 per game.

Hope that helps....

@Grimgob

Yessir! The wolves will be back in action. Been ages since I played them.

Well, I know that I am going to be bringing 3 falcons for you, then, Reecius .

Glad to see you and Team Zero Comp are gonna make it Reece.
I will be there with the Angels of Vengeance.

Looking forward to seeing everyone again!

@Mortetvie

Tri Flacon Eldar? Haha, haven't played that since 4th, and my wolves need a rematch after Ard Boyz last year!

You should bring some Dark Angels Reece

At the last smack down the re-roll tokens were being used to re-roll first turn, end of game rolls, sieze the inititive rolls, and other re-rolls. this brought on lots of problems (because it really changed the games drasticly) and they banned the use of the re-rolls for these (first turn, end of game rolls, sieze the inititive rolls, and other re-rolls) at the Slaugter in Space 3. Are you following the same guidelines?

@Frenrik
I haven't played my Dark Angels in ages. Like, years. I don't think I still have enough to even field an army.

@OP
Yeah, I agree with Grimgob. The reroll tokens were game changing when they could be used for things like that.

I was hoping to be able to use the re-roll token for just such rolls lol...Sometimes you just need that extra turn! But a clarification would be nice...

For Warmachine events, it says events are "Closed" and are no longer accepting registration, but it says player capacity is unlimited.

Are these events full and should I not bother trying to get in them?

Ya some clarification on those tokens would be great. I was a little surprised when I saw you could buy more tokens for 3 dollars a pop. Seems a little cheap if you could use them for rolls that see if the game goes on, first turn, or seizing.

Yeah...Vect what, seizes on a 4+? Imagine that with a Reroll in EVERY game. 75% seize initiative, I'll take it! I know in years past I've used the re-roll to try to re-roll the end of game roll and I felt dirty doing it and quite annoyed my opponent (even though it failed). I like the idea of the re-roll token but...one for every game with the effect it can have is a bit much. Especially when your opponent doesn't have them.

Im going to be able to make it and will there be open gaming on Saturday night. Grimgob i think im going to beat you again does that sound good. I know it sounds good to me.

I have to fight the urge to go!!!

christianA wrote:Im going to be able to make it and will there be open gaming on Saturday night. Grimgob i think im going to beat you again does that sound good. I know it sounds good to me.

Not if I can help it you just want to try your crazy GK list on my Orks. Ill bring it anytime buddy

Grim gob is right and I'm glad he pointed it out.

Things that the re-roll can't be used for as it is a game changer:
1. Seize the initiative
2. End of game roll
3. Re-rolls (e.g. You can't re-roll a re-roll)

None of games are closed, the registration is closed as we need time before the convention to do all the paperwork. All the events except the RPG ones are open.

Best,
Adam

Blackmoor wrote:I have to fight the urge to go!!!

Rest is for the weak...
...Go!

Yeah, come and I will buy you a beer for beating stelek and making him eat his words!

Just so I get this straight...online registration is closed, but I could theoretically still just show up, buy a badge and also sign up for the tourney? Otherwise I'll stop trying to find a 4th Piranha.

Yeah, you can just show up, that is what all of us are doing.


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And Adam told us that was cool.

lambadomy wrote:Just so I get this straight...online registration is closed, but I could theoretically still just show up, buy a badge and also sign up for the tourney? Otherwise I'll stop trying to find a 4th Piranha.

Online registration is closed, but we still have plenty of room in the tournament. Please just show up and have your lists ready.

Hope to see you there. I won't be online after this post, but my email will go to my phone if anyone needs me. Adam@socalsmackdown.com

Thanks all for your guidance in making this possible, I appreciate the feedback.

Just got back from day 1 for the Warmachine events. Great turnout and I had a great time. Looking forward to waking up tomorrow so I can make the hardcore. Thanks again Adam =)

~Greg V.

The 40k GT has a total of 11 people. If the Comp Zero guys hadn't shown up it would have been only like 5 or 6.

the funny thing is that for 11 people its a pretty tough field. the terrain is horrable. I think with better terrain and better advertising it would have been alot better. They updated alot but it still needs a little work.

Yeah, I was gonna come through but my car took a dump on me. Good luck tomorrow guys.

Woke up feeling horrible; I seem to have caught some plague from the kids. Hopefully I start feeling better soon or I am just gonna have to miss day 2.

http://www.ocregister.com/news/players-315438-bring-smackdowncontact.html

someone please provide some pictures after the tournament. !

@tyczynski, Thanks for the link. Thats me checking line of site for Reecius's typoons against my BW (wich he promptly blew sky high) and my family would love too make fun of me about it

It was really fun as there were 11 players, we all knew each other except one young guy who was nice,and 8-9 of those players are high ranking recognizable players from the westcost. It made for five friendly and tough games. I tied to mortive and lost to reecius (were even and I cant wait till the tie breaker). Reecius took best Overall, I took Best General, Mortevie took 3rd.

The event itself had better terrain the second day as they condenced alot of the sparce terrain to a few tables and had maybe a little too much terrain (I'm looking at you villages of death table). Two and a half hours was great and played leasurly all weekend. I'm sure if they do the event again next year, with some more advertising and a few more tweeks, more terrain (I would like to see more of you show up) It could be a really good event.

Thanks Adam for putting it on, I'm sure its alot of work.

Very small, but fun event. Kind of a bummer so few people showed up, but of the 11 there, 9 were top notch players. So, despote the small field, it was a really tough tournament.

Every one of my 5 games was against an expert player with an excellent list. I can honestly say that only adepticon had as tough of a lneup to play through for me personally.

I was pleased to win with my good old bjorn wolves. I have not played them in a while but they still deliver the goods, particularly at 2,000pts.

I got to get a rematch with mortetvie and grimgob who both beat me in excellent games last time we played, so it was good to get some payback!

Every games was close and fun, and very challenging.

The tournament itself uad some issues with structure, but the to's was more than willing to make changes amd I think next year can be a really fun event.

I took footage while there and I will post it up shortly.

I think the tournament was fun overall, mainly because of the competition. The scenarios were good, challenging and fun.

All my games were good, so I am very pleased, I had to think really hard in my games so I feel like I came out of the tournament a stronger player, you know, when you think "oh if only I did that differently" and so on. Really good games everyone!

I also think that everyone, at some point in this tournament had freakishly good or bad dice lol! My poor necron oponent 3rd game had his Lord run off the board and another destroyer squad also run off along with other terrible luck in one turn alone, like wow.

I had some pretty clutch dice fails where one warwalker failed a dangerous terrain test and died which would have blocked Gaz's charge into my Wraithguard in my game with Levi but the luck turned on levi with the game going on long enough for me to contest enough objectives to pull out a tie lol. Levi also managed to blow up FateWeaver and some other things with some crazy shooting against the fate-crusher demon player in one turn while Reece never went first even with Bjorn's re-roll (lol at EVERY opponent rolling a 6 to go first against you Reece). But still, you managed to pull out amazing shooting phases in all of your games =).

I would go again next year and recommend anyone else interested to go to.

One issue with the tournament was the terrain the first day was a joke, almost nothing blocked LOS and it was really a let down. The second day they fixed that with some of the tables (the city fight table was a bit much ha) and if they work on the terrain issue for next year it should be great.

Another issue was communication, one tournament judge came over and specifically said only scoring units can claim terrain in my mission with Levi (contrary to what the packet said) then at the end of the game they said oops we meant stick with the rules packet which really messed everything up for me but I'm sure that was just a simple breakdown in communication on some level, I should have clarified with them before hand so that is partly my bad I guess (but I think everyone else heard only scoring units and played that way until the end anyway).

So yeah, great games, thanks for putting it on Adam and hope to see what next year brings! Special thanks to Reece and his friends for coming down giving this tournament a better turnout.

I was sorry to miss day two, but I had a horrible stomach flu or food poisoning hit me early Sunday morning.
Sounds like Day was as fin as Day One.

Hi All,

Thanks to everyone that could make it, especially Reece and his crew from up North. Thanks also to Levi, he was constantly there letting me know what needed to be done to make the event better, and every time he was right.

Hope you are feeling better Magilla.

Next year we are going to work on making it better and hope to see more of you there.

Any comments to make the event better are welcome...we have a year to fix our mistakes.

Best,
Adam

Grimgob wrote:@tyczynski, Thanks for the link. Thats me checking line of site for Reecius's typoons against my BW (wich he promptly blew sky high) and my family would love too make fun of me about it
...

Don`t worry, my fiancee already made fun out of me, because i posted this link on her facebook wall to show im missing cool events while shes there ;P

The Warmachine/Hordes side was great. The turnout was hitting 50 people on saturday for the tourney and the smaller events all had near 20 people each, except the Monday highlander which we hit 14 I believe. Gayle ran all the events well and the prize support for open gaming was a bonus. Of course I did all the tourneys so a lot of the goodies were gone by the time I realized I had to spend my tickets lol.

I met a lot of great people and discovered more good venues that I am already planning on visiting (one as early as this Sunday for the Thou Shalt Game Steamroller). The Marriott was a great place to have it, the food choices around it were plentiful, and the Staff was very professional. Going to try to work it out to get some PG action in Riverside over the next month until we can get a permanent one. Thanks again Adam for the help at the door when I first came Friday night and for hosting a great event.

When I'm fighting a different faction with a different list every game then something has gone wonderfully right!

The only thing I would think about doing next year would be to have a snack vendor inside the Con itself. I may just not have seen it, but it would be awesome just so we can get a small snack between rounds.

Thanks again!

~Greg V.

I was kind of disappointed with the turnout for the WHFB tourney (4 people in total) but it was still fine all-around.

However, I would like to mention that the terrain for the Warhammer tables was a bit underwhelming, if anything.

Overall though, fun weekend.

@Cryonicleech we always seam to miss each other even though we hang in the same places. Were you the guy that hung around the 40k tables at the end wearing the orange belt?

@tyczynski I dont have a facebook but my wife does and I've accidently liked and linked wargaming stuff to her page (she still cant get rid of it) and her friends make fun of her too, so I expect a fair amount of teasing from her, its expected. If your getting married get used to it, I'm sure there is something emberassing on her end you could razz her about (Mines freakishly into Hello Kitty

@grimgob
I was at my in-laws last night and they saw your picture in the paper and asked if I knew abut the event... haha!

That picture is sweet! Too bad you can't enlarge it.

Nerds in the news! Hahaha.

@ Grimgob

Naah, I was the dude in the "Choose you Weapon" Green shirt and the For the Horde shirt on Sunday.

You were playing the Orks right?

Orks.....Really....Really..............Really.....I missed the whole event, had to work the whole week end Grrrrr. Next time my Chaos will run rampant over all those that dare to stand before me. Unless my wife finds out I ran off to another gaming event lol. Nice to hear about myold stomping grounds having a local event, hope to get in a few good games soon. Brian

Well hopefully you can make Comikaze in November!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/394584.page