Viral video star Rebecca Black, known for her amateur music video “Friday,” was forced to drop out of school due to constant harassment, she told ABC News' Nightline. The 14-year-old is being home-schooled by her mother, a former teacher.
“Friday,” a video Black’s parents paid $4,000 to produce, went viral after it was posted on YouTube this spring.
"After seeing it go from 4,000 views to 70,000 views in one night, and then waking up and it was at 200,000 views, that was when I realized this is going to be big," Black said of her unintentionally funny video.
Along with newfound fame, the wannabe singer began experiencing bullying about her earnest, albeit cheesy, song. Black saw cruel comments posted online, and was constantly harassed at school.
"When I walk by they'll start singing 'Friday' in a really nasally voice,” she explained of her teen tormentors. “Or, you know, they'll be like, 'Oh hey, Rebecca, guess what day it is?'"
Rebecca’s spokesman, John Vlautin, had this to say about whether his client was pulled out of school due to harassment over her “Friday” video: “That was certainly part of it, but in Orange County a student can't get credit for school if they miss class for work. So her mom enrolled her in a special program that [Orange County] offers for athletes, performers, etc....”
Black's mother, Georgina Marquez, told ABC that home schooling will help the 14-year-old focus on her career.
And her career seems to be skyrocketing: “Friday” was featured on “Glee,” and Black appeared in Katy Perry's video for "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)." She also won the Teen Choice Award for Choice Web Star at Sunday's show, and has released another single, “My Moment.”
So far, Black says that the proceeds from “Friday” will be enough to cover college tuition.
ROFLMAO. Wow, what a wuss, chick needs to ranger up... and 'focus on her career'? Excuse me, career as what? Pro laughing stock?
If I was in Highschool and I released a single that could pay for my college tuition. I could put up with kids making fun of me. Or I would just punch them.
Agreed with you Dreadwinter. Personally, I would simply respond with 'I'll think about what you think of me and how this affects my life while I'm rolling around in a pool full of money."
Ineptus, I also know how dumb kids can be in high school... BUT, she's made a pile of money, she should be able to get over it, and I'm sure she still has friends...
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
astartes, you got out soon, good man...the stuff ive taken at school made me a better person. seriously if it wasnt for me ending up in casulaty after a beating id never have started karate. i would be one of the people who would say that rebecca black 'could' be a good singer its just that her songs are too self-centred
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
in case you're wondering, my last post was sarcasm, I got picked on for looking feminine, but, I couldn't help it, I had a twin sister, and we looked very similar, in russia, it's like america, all the girls go for the athletic jerk-bags, and not the nice guys.
I am beginning to be glad I have never heard this song...
and yeah, I was jumped behind the school once, me and a friend.
If I recall correctly, we were going to head over to his house for a game of 40k (the day was, ironically, friday, so no real homework) and there is his cliff area that you walk past to get from the 5th grade portable rooms to the parking lot. anyways, these guys (wont say their names) leaped off the cliff and attacked. it ended up not going their way when one of them tripped over a rock and knocked out a tooth, but Ii decided to be homeschooled instead of going to junior high the next year.
I have been homeschooled for...lost count of how many years I have been homeschooled acualy
It sucks, I know that feeling ineptus, I used to get beaten up too. it really sucked, especially when I discovering who I was, the guys would beat me up, spit on me, and tell me I'm a freak.
I'm glad you got out of there, nobody deserves that, it's like they say, kids can be cruel. You don't have much more to go, college is different though, since being there is an option, you'll find the significant decrease in bullies.
When I started beauty school, since it's at a college, there were a lot of douchebag frat guys who like to pick on people, so, when one of the students who was there for something I can't remember, who always saw fit to point out that I was different, and kept bothering me, until I told him "what of it?", at that point, he never bothered me again.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
Then I say to you this: get bent. You don't know me, you don't know what I went through, you don't know the torture that I was put through, the number of times I stayed up all night crying because of how much I hated my life. I have the scars, a visibly broken nose, and plenty of witnesses to prove it. And speaking to someone who was apparently a bully, I hope you one day run into the guys you used to pick on, and realize how much your life sucks in comparison to theirs. Forgive me if I don't take pity on a girl who only has to deal with people singing her song in a funny voice or being asked what day of the week it is, I would have been ecstatic if thats all I had to deal with on a given day. Try having vicious rumors spread about you through the school that you shagged your dog (I didn't even have a dog...) and your (male) cousin. Try being choked out by the kid who sits behind you in class (in the middle of class no less). Try being the kid picked last in gym class, and then being targeted by the other kids on your team for physical abuse (being tackled by your teammates when you're not carrying a ball, having dodgeballs thrown at you by your team mates, having soccer balls and basketballs kicked/thrown at your face, etc.). Try sitting a table filled with other kids, and all of them start playing card games, etc. or decide to have a party/hang out after classes or go to a concert and be the only one sitting there at the table not invited. Worse, have them invite people sitting at the other tables around you and still not be invited. Worse still have them finally invite you to do something, and then when you show up at the movie theater to meet them, nobody shows up at all. Yeah, get bent.
I really don't understand how she is going to make a career out of music, since the reason that video got so famous, was because how bad it really was.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
Then I say to you this: get bent. You don't know me, you don't know what I went through, you don't know the torture that I was put through, the number of times I stayed up all night crying because of how much I hated my life. I have the scars, a visibly broken nose, and plenty of witnesses to prove it. And speaking to someone who was apparently a bully, I hope you one day run into the guys you used to pick on, and realize how much your life sucks in comparison to theirs. Forgive me if I don't take pity on a girl who only has to deal with people singing her song in a funny voice or being asked what day of the week it is, I would have been ecstatic if thats all I had to deal with on a given day. Try having vicious rumors spread about you through the school that you shagged your dog (I didn't even have a dog...) and your (male) cousin. Try being choked out by the kid who sits behind you in class (in the middle of class no less). Try being the kid picked last in gym class, and then being targeted by the other kids on your team for physical abuse (being tackled by your teammates when you're not carrying a ball, having dodgeballs thrown at you by your team mates, having soccer balls and basketballs kicked/thrown at your face, etc.). Try sitting a table filled with other kids, and all of them start playing card games, etc. or decide to have a party/hang out after classes or go to a concert and be the only one sitting there at the table not invited. Worse, have them invite people sitting at the other tables around you and still not be invited. Worse still have them finally invite you to do something, and then when you show up at the movie theater to meet them, nobody shows up at all. Yeah, get bent.
You know I found a weakness in bullies.... they can't handle wit. Depending on who you are dealing with and how witty you are, you can practically run circles round their taunts.
But then again if verbal warfare doesn't work bullies usually move onto physical attacks. Ouch.
I would of just shrugged it off. Go ahead and make fun, I made a half assed video over the weekend that paid for whatever college I want to attend, what did you do last weekend, get herpes?
Besides the Friday black metal version is still hilarious
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
Then I say to you this: get bent. You don't know me, you don't know what I went through, you don't know the torture that I was put through, the number of times I stayed up all night crying because of how much I hated my life. I have the scars, a visibly broken nose, and plenty of witnesses to prove it. And speaking to someone who was apparently a bully, I hope you one day run into the guys you used to pick on, and realize how much your life sucks in comparison to theirs. Forgive me if I don't take pity on a girl who only has to deal with people singing her song in a funny voice or being asked what day of the week it is, I would have been ecstatic if thats all I had to deal with on a given day. Try having vicious rumors spread about you through the school that you shagged your dog (I didn't even have a dog...) and your (male) cousin. Try being choked out by the kid who sits behind you in class (in the middle of class no less). Try being the kid picked last in gym class, and then being targeted by the other kids on your team for physical abuse (being tackled by your teammates when you're not carrying a ball, having dodgeballs thrown at you by your team mates, having soccer balls and basketballs kicked/thrown at your face, etc.). Try sitting a table filled with other kids, and all of them start playing card games, etc. or decide to have a party/hang out after classes or go to a concert and be the only one sitting there at the table not invited. Worse, have them invite people sitting at the other tables around you and still not be invited. Worse still have them finally invite you to do something, and then when you show up at the movie theater to meet them, nobody shows up at all. Yeah, get bent.
None of that sounds particularly harrowing....
Agreed. That just sounds like the typical stuff that happens to the unpopular kids in high school.
You aren't being singled out my the ENTIRE SCHOOL in a methodical, organized way.
Is that not Black Friday Metal Version KC?
Cost of materials plummets wiping lots off share prices.
GW revert back to white metal and increase prices by 30%
No idea who she is (I don't follow this kinda popular stuff) but, I mean, can't she just taunt back with stuff like "have fun paying off your school loan for 20 years" or "I just bought myself a benz, how's that '89 buick running?"
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
Then I say to you this: get bent. You don't know me, you don't know what I went through, you don't know the torture that I was put through, the number of times I stayed up all night crying because of how much I hated my life. I have the scars, a visibly broken nose, and plenty of witnesses to prove it. And speaking to someone who was apparently a bully, I hope you one day run into the guys you used to pick on, and realize how much your life sucks in comparison to theirs. Forgive me if I don't take pity on a girl who only has to deal with people singing her song in a funny voice or being asked what day of the week it is, I would have been ecstatic if thats all I had to deal with on a given day. Try having vicious rumors spread about you through the school that you shagged your dog (I didn't even have a dog...) and your (male) cousin. Try being choked out by the kid who sits behind you in class (in the middle of class no less). Try being the kid picked last in gym class, and then being targeted by the other kids on your team for physical abuse (being tackled by your teammates when you're not carrying a ball, having dodgeballs thrown at you by your team mates, having soccer balls and basketballs kicked/thrown at your face, etc.). Try sitting a table filled with other kids, and all of them start playing card games, etc. or decide to have a party/hang out after classes or go to a concert and be the only one sitting there at the table not invited. Worse, have them invite people sitting at the other tables around you and still not be invited. Worse still have them finally invite you to do something, and then when you show up at the movie theater to meet them, nobody shows up at all. Yeah, get bent.
Man, bullies in the States sound softcore. Social pressure is all very well and good, but once you've been bricked in the head or something, you realise you have reason to complain.
one of the good things about nepal, is that there is no such thing as a 'nerd' or 'geek' people who have bad grades are considered shameful, while the most popular kids have the best grades.
ineptus astartes wrote:one of the good things about nepal, is that there is no such thing as a 'nerd' or 'geek' people who have bad grades are considered shameful, while the most popular kids have the best grades.
It's the benefit of living in a country where you're judged more on merit than genetics, I will grant you that.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
Then I say to you this: get bent. You don't know me, you don't know what I went through, you don't know the torture that I was put through, the number of times I stayed up all night crying because of how much I hated my life. I have the scars, a visibly broken nose, and plenty of witnesses to prove it. And speaking to someone who was apparently a bully, I hope you one day run into the guys you used to pick on, and realize how much your life sucks in comparison to theirs. Forgive me if I don't take pity on a girl who only has to deal with people singing her song in a funny voice or being asked what day of the week it is, I would have been ecstatic if thats all I had to deal with on a given day. Try having vicious rumors spread about you through the school that you shagged your dog (I didn't even have a dog...) and your (male) cousin. Try being choked out by the kid who sits behind you in class (in the middle of class no less). Try being the kid picked last in gym class, and then being targeted by the other kids on your team for physical abuse (being tackled by your teammates when you're not carrying a ball, having dodgeballs thrown at you by your team mates, having soccer balls and basketballs kicked/thrown at your face, etc.). Try sitting a table filled with other kids, and all of them start playing card games, etc. or decide to have a party/hang out after classes or go to a concert and be the only one sitting there at the table not invited. Worse, have them invite people sitting at the other tables around you and still not be invited. Worse still have them finally invite you to do something, and then when you show up at the movie theater to meet them, nobody shows up at all. Yeah, get bent.
Sounds rather typical, to tell the truth. I myself had to put up with that sort of gak, not only in High school, but all the way through Elementary school, too. Parents were no help; mom was the secretary, and not the "Lets let my kid get away with everything" sort of parent, either. Dad was a cop. So I was basically getting "Kick Me" signs stuck on my back in second grade, and by third grade I was gay because one of the other (typical bully) kids was peeping through the doors of the bathroom stalls. Add to this the fact that I made it no secret that I played Warhammer, and you can imagine why I'm now playing you the worlds smallest violen.....
Sorry, but after reading this thread I can't help but laugh.
If that 14 year old brat can't take someone asking her "'Oh hey, Rebecca, guess what day it is?" (Oh the horrors) then she deserves everything she gets as she is going to have a very rude wake up call when she leaves her ultra sheltered home school life and hits mainstream at 18.
ineptus astartes wrote:Oh, you meant they labeled you as gay. Well, they did to me too. Because 'who else wants to play with toy soldiers?'
Anyone who is 'uncool' is gay by their standards.
Not sure how they put two and two together and ended up with thirty-six.
Here "gay" no longer seems to mean homosexual. Unless of course you make appropriate hand gestures to indicate otherwise. That and kids are evil creatures of unpleasantness.
Hey, homeschool is not as sheltered as you think. I know more about the world (and the abominations that can reside in it) than a lot of kids my age, I am homeschooled.
But she does need to be able to take more than just some verbal abuse. it took some kid trying to throttle the life out of me to get me to Homeschool.
Ahhh psychological abuse at the hands of your peers... brings back memories. Second I was home schooled most of my life and I do just fine, it really depends on the parents whether or not she gets the sheltered life or not.
See I was the lowest on the totem because I was the new guy. I spent one year in middle school but got expelled because some of the preppy kids were spreading malicious rumors that I was threatening the school. God there is absolutely nothing worse than preppy rednecks.
jp400 wrote:Sorry, but after reading this thread I can't help but laugh.
If that 14 year old brat can't take someone asking her "'Oh hey, Rebecca, guess what day it is?" (Oh the horrors) then she deserves everything she gets as she is going to have a very rude wake up call when she leaves her ultra sheltered home school life and hits mainstream at 18.
I mean seriously? Rofl.
And you're not getting that it's not about what's being said, it's about the fact that the ENTIRE SCHOOL, not just her class or grade, is doing it in an organized fashion.
This isn't bullying, it's psychological warfare to wear her down.
jp400 wrote:Sorry, but after reading this thread I can't help but laugh.
If that 14 year old brat can't take someone asking her "'Oh hey, Rebecca, guess what day it is?" (Oh the horrors) then she deserves everything she gets as she is going to have a very rude wake up call when she leaves her ultra sheltered home school life and hits mainstream at 18.
I mean seriously? Rofl.
And you're not getting that it's not about what's being said, it's about the fact that the ENTIRE SCHOOL, not just her class or grade, is doing it in an organized fashion.
This isn't bullying, it's psychological warfare to wear her down.
No, I still get it. And I still am laughing.
Let's face it, most people get picked on in school. And everyone knows of those few special kids that attract the harassment like a gak magnet on crack and get the treatment almost every day for the entire length of their schooling.
So seriously, why is she special again? Because she made a horrible song/video and made the mistake of releasing it on the internet? Welcome to real life, where your every action has the possibility to come back and bite you in the rear.
jp400 wrote: Let's face it, most people get picked on in school. And everyone knows of those few special kids that attract the harassment like a gak magnet on crack and get the treatment almost every day for the entire length of their schooling.
And the few people that get it from the entire school leave that school.
Who said she was different or special?
She's being home schooled because there's no indication it would be different at any other school and her mother is a teacher.
jp400 wrote:
Let's face it, most people get picked on in school. And everyone knows of those few special kids that attract the harassment like a gak magnet on crack and get the treatment almost every day for the entire length of their schooling.
And the few people that get it from the entire school leave that school..
Yeah, sorry, not buying this.
I can think of a few kids when I went through that got it much worse then the examples given here in the OP for multiple years and stuck it out.
Hell, we even voted one kid "Most likely to: earn the killing spree achievement"
jp400 wrote: Let's face it, most people get picked on in school. And everyone knows of those few special kids that attract the harassment like a gak magnet on crack and get the treatment almost every day for the entire length of their schooling.
And the few people that get it from the entire school leave that school..
Yeah, sorry, not buying this.
I can think of a few kids when I went through that got it much worse then the examples given here in the OP for multiple years and stuck it out.
Hell, we even voted one kid "Most likely to: earn the killing spree achievement"
Ok and?
I have a story too: A kid at my high school got mad because my high school GF picked me to sleep with over him. So, he threatened my life to his friends. She beat the tar out of him in public over that(I didn't find out about any of this until it had all gone down). He never heard the end of it, so he changed schools. He still heard stuff about it at other schools. He decided to move out of the city and legally change his name to attempt to erase his past.
To this day, people STILL talk about her Epic Beatdown of him in the ROTC office.
We ALL have anecdotes that can support our story, doesn't change the fact.
jp400 wrote:
Let's face it, most people get picked on in school. And everyone knows of those few special kids that attract the harassment like a gak magnet on crack and get the treatment almost every day for the entire length of their schooling.
And the few people that get it from the entire school leave that school..
Yeah, sorry, not buying this.
I can think of a few kids when I went through that got it much worse then the examples given here in the OP for multiple years and stuck it out.
Hell, we even voted one kid "Most likely to: earn the killing spree achievement"
Ok and?
I have a story too: A kid at my high school got mad because my high school GF picked me to sleep with over him. So, he threatened my life to his friends. She beat the tar out of him in public over that(I didn't find out about any of this until it had all gone down). He never heard the end of it, so he changed schools. He still heard stuff about it at other schools. He decided to move out of the city and legally change his name to attempt to erase his past.
To this day, people STILL talk about her Epic Beatdown of him in the ROTC office.
We ALL have anecdotes that can support our story, doesn't change the fact.
So... you are actually claiming that a dude not only changed schools, but he physically moved out of the city/state and had his name legally changed?
Sorry, still not going to buy this story.
I won't sit here and believe that someones parents would go so far as to physically pack up and move out of the city.. change their lifestyles and jobs, and let him change his name legally over this.
So... you are actually claiming that a dude not only changed schools, but he physically moved out of the city/state and had his name legally changed?
Sorry, still not going to buy this story.
I won't sit here and believe that someones parents would go so far as to physically pack up and move out of the city.. change their lifestyles and jobs, and let him change his name legally over this.
Cool story though.
Go ahead and don't believe it, it doesn't change the fact that it happened.
Again, I had no knowledge of any of this until after the fact(I didn't even know about his moving or changing his name until earlier this year when several people mentioned it).
She's going to an online homeschooling program, which one of my friends is also in. I told my friend to get my an autograph for me hahaha
Also my same friend's mom works for the online homeschool, so they have her address and everything. Guess where IIIIIIIII am going.
By the way, as much of an donkey-cave as I am, I probably wouldn't have bullied Rebecca Black, I would've tried to make as good friends with her as I possibly could.
1.Whiteknight that bish into oblivion 2. Acquire entry into new music videos 3. ??? 4. Profit!
Back when I was the Army, I met two people who were home schooled. They are the most socially inept people I have ever met in my entire life.
Now, I'm not saying that happens to everyone that is home schooled, as that's clearly not the case, but I would never homeschool my children after meeting those two.
More to the point of this topic, I think people really need to toughen up. I think it's a sadder state of affairs that Parents are pulling their kids out of school in an attempt to fix issues like this. I think that only makes the situation worse.
I mean honestly, you have kids all over the world that can barely eat, or afford to go to school, and here they are getting pulled out because they can't handle having some mean things said about them.
Born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, moved to New Orleans in '91, moved back to BR in '03, married my wife in '08 a month before she commissioned into the Airforce, moved to California in '08, moved to Colorado in '09.
Sasori wrote:Back when I was the Army, I met two people who were home schooled. They are the most socially inept people I have ever met in my entire life.
Now, I'm not saying that happens to everyone that is home schooled, as that's clearly not the case, but I would never homeschool my children after meeting those two.
You hear about the "socially inept" stuff, but I'm sure that's more of a passed-down trait from the parents than it is simply due to homeschooling. I knew a few kids in high school and college who were homeschooled and they weren't any more 'socially inept' than I was. But they did tend to be smarter than the average kid.
The more I think about sending my kid to a government school the more I about the benefits of home- or private schooling.
Vladsimpaler wrote:By the way, as much of an donkey-cave as I am, I probably wouldn't have bullied Rebecca Black, I would've tried to make as good friends with her as I possibly could.
1.Whiteknight that bish into oblivion
2. Acquire entry into new music videos
3. ???
4. Profit!
Yeah, that's pretty much the way I see it.
We'll see how the tables have turned by the time their 10 year high school reunion rolls around; I'm betting not many of them will be doing as well as she is.
(no don't judge homeschoolers, and for the kid argument, nobody leaving school has any bearing on kids in the 3rd world, one of the reasons I pulld out of shcool also, was because I have ADHD, OCDs, Dysgraphia, on/off dyslexia and a hell of a lot of other stuff that I am busy crushing Right now)
biccat wrote:You hear about the "socially inept" stuff, but I'm sure that's more of a passed-down trait from the parents than it is simply due to homeschooling. I knew a few kids in high school and college who were homeschooled and they weren't any more 'socially inept' than I was. But they did tend to be smarter than the average kid.
I know some people that were home schooled, and the only difference I can tell between them and the people that went to public school is that they are smarter by about an order of magnitude.
Sasori wrote:Back when I was the Army, I met two people who were home schooled. They are the most socially inept people I have ever met in my entire life.
Now, I'm not saying that happens to everyone that is home schooled, as that's clearly not the case, but I would never homeschool my children after meeting those two.
You hear about the "socially inept" stuff, but I'm sure that's more of a passed-down trait from the parents than it is simply due to homeschooling. I knew a few kids in high school and college who were homeschooled and they weren't any more 'socially inept' than I was. But they did tend to be smarter than the average kid.
The more I think about sending my kid to a government school the more I about the benefits of home- or private schooling.
Don't get me wrong, it's completely anecdotal on my part. I think part of the issue came from that they were home schooled nearly their entire K-12 lives, and had little, to no social life. Needless to say, the Army was quite a shocker for them.
I don't think I've come across any Home schooled people that were smarter than their public school counterparts. It could just be the social group I've had experience with though.
Really, I don't care. What a waste of 10 minutes of my day. So what? A girl at school puts a crappy video on YouTube and it goes viral? She gets well known and suddenly her life is hell? Boohoo......Suck it up girl!
If she had grown a pair of balls and stuck it out, the kids would have found someone else to stress out after a week. Sounds mostly like jealousy really.......
sarpedons-right-hand wrote:Really, I don't care. What a waste of 10 minutes of my day. So what? A girl at school puts a crappy video on YouTube and it goes viral? She gets well known and suddenly her life is hell? Boohoo......Suck it up girl!
If she had grown a pair of balls and stuck it out, the kids would have found someone else to stress out after a week. Sounds mostly like jealousy really.......
All I have to say is, good luck getting admitted to a CSU or UC system once she is 'done' with homeschool. From personal experience (and my father being the former Senior Admissions Counselor for the entire UC system (now retired, 2008)), applicants who are homeschooled cannot be admitted to either university system, as homeschooling cannot be sufficiently accredited by the 5 or so boards required for this.
She WILL have to do her transfer courses at a CC, if she wants to attend a public university in the future. I'm unsure of other states in the Union, but I'd bet their public institutions have a similar requirement. Or she could go to a private university.
jp400 wrote:
Let's face it, most people get picked on in school. And everyone knows of those few special kids that attract the harassment like a gak magnet on crack and get the treatment almost every day for the entire length of their schooling.
And the few people that get it from the entire school leave that school..
Yeah, sorry, not buying this.
I can think of a few kids when I went through that got it much worse then the examples given here in the OP for multiple years and stuck it out.
Hell, we even voted one kid "Most likely to: earn the killing spree achievement"
Ok and?
I have a story too: A kid at my high school got mad because my high school GF picked me to sleep with over him. So, he threatened my life to his friends. She beat the tar out of him in public over that(I didn't find out about any of this until it had all gone down). He never heard the end of it, so he changed schools. He still heard stuff about it at other schools. He decided to move out of the city and legally change his name to attempt to erase his past.
To this day, people STILL talk about her Epic Beatdown of him in the ROTC office.
We ALL have anecdotes that can support our story, doesn't change the fact.
Then maybe the idiot should have known better not to run his mouth and threaten to kill someone's boyfriend/girlfriend?
He thought he was a bad ass, and got his "bad ass" handed to him. It's his own fault he "never heard the end of it", and I shed no tears for him.
Slarg232 wrote: He thought he was a bad ass, and got his "bad ass" handed to him. It's his own fault he "never heard the end of it", and I shed no tears for him.
Did I say anything about shedding tears for this guy?
No, it's an example of how if someone can't psychologically handle the situation, they remove themselves from it.
If you and jp400 can't accept that as a solution(or "buy it" as he puts it), it's your hang up, not mine.
Act like a victim...become a victim...eventually get blamed.
...Running from adversity only lessons your ability to deal with it, stand the feth up for yourself FFS..
...Despite how many people seem to think things "should be", life is not all " gum drops and rainbows and people holding hands", cruelty exist everywhere and IMO teaching kids to " flee" from it only weakens their character...
...Just my 2 cents.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Dogma - far from it, I was an outcast and pariah between the 5th grade and the senior year of high school (when I somehow became popular). I was picked on by pretty much everyone, ate lunch by myself 90% of the time, was beat up by bullies on a regular basis, and could count the number of people I could consider to be a friend on one hand, even if two of the fingers on that hand were blown up in some sort of freak accident. The difference is, I had absolutely nothing going for me (read: I didn't make a pile of money).
No offense, but I don't believe you. I don't think that you really understand what it is to be picked on, and I say this as someone who has picked on (harassed) many an open nerd.
Then I say to you this: get bent. You don't know me, you don't know what I went through, you don't know the torture that I was put through, the number of times I stayed up all night crying because of how much I hated my life. I have the scars, a visibly broken nose, and plenty of witnesses to prove it. And speaking to someone who was apparently a bully, I hope you one day run into the guys you used to pick on, and realize how much your life sucks in comparison to theirs. Forgive me if I don't take pity on a girl who only has to deal with people singing her song in a funny voice or being asked what day of the week it is, I would have been ecstatic if thats all I had to deal with on a given day. Try having vicious rumors spread about you through the school that you shagged your dog (I didn't even have a dog...) and your (male) cousin. Try being choked out by the kid who sits behind you in class (in the middle of class no less). Try being the kid picked last in gym class, and then being targeted by the other kids on your team for physical abuse (being tackled by your teammates when you're not carrying a ball, having dodgeballs thrown at you by your team mates, having soccer balls and basketballs kicked/thrown at your face, etc.). Try sitting a table filled with other kids, and all of them start playing card games, etc. or decide to have a party/hang out after classes or go to a concert and be the only one sitting there at the table not invited. Worse, have them invite people sitting at the other tables around you and still not be invited. Worse still have them finally invite you to do something, and then when you show up at the movie theater to meet them, nobody shows up at all. Yeah, get bent.
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Man, bullies in the States sound softcore. Social pressure is all very well and good, but once you've been bricked in the head or something, you realise you have reason to complain.
You miss the part where I had my nose broken? Maybe I should throw in that I was wearing my glasses at the time as well, yeah those were shattered and scratched up my face underneath my eyes and along my eyebrow ridge. How about the fact that the bottom halves of my two front teeth are artificially filled in, because some dick decided to push me down a full flight of stairs. Yeah, social pressure my ass, getting beat up isn't social pressure.
jp400 wrote:Sorry, but after reading this thread I can't help but laugh.
If that 14 year old brat can't take someone asking her "'Oh hey, Rebecca, guess what day it is?" (Oh the horrors) then she deserves everything she gets as she is going to have a very rude wake up call when she leaves her ultra sheltered home school life and hits mainstream at 18.
I mean seriously? Rofl.
Agreed.
Skycrawler wrote:See I was the lowest on the totem because I was the new guy. I spent one year in middle school but got expelled because some of the preppy kids were spreading malicious rumors that I was threatening the school. God there is absolutely nothing worse than preppy rednecks.
Totally 100% agreed. I live in farmville northwest NJ pretty much, but the vast majority of my town has money (and a lot of it). Everyone is more or less a stuck up rich kid that thinks their all classy and sophisticated and gak like that, but we're out in the boonies.
Platuan4th wrote:
And you're not getting that it's not about what's being said, it's about the fact that the ENTIRE SCHOOL, not just her class or grade, is doing it in an organized fashion.
This isn't bullying, it's psychological warfare to wear her down.
bs. Having been teased and made fun of by the vast majority of my school (pretty small one, ~600 students total) I can tell you that its NOT the entire school. Everyone has a handful of friends, everyone. Even the kid at the bottom of the totem pole. Besides, she had a handful of her friends APPEAR in the video with her. The part with her riding in the car? In an interview she stated that the 2 girls and the 2 boys with her in the car were her closest friends.
jp400 wrote:
Yeah, sorry, not buying this.
I can think of a few kids when I went through that got it much worse then the examples given here in the OP for multiple years and stuck it out.
Hell, we even voted one kid "Most likely to: earn the killing spree achievement"
I earned that title and the 'most likely to: conquer the world' title as well... its funny to, cuz I'm the one that reported the kid that brought a handgun to school, go figure Hell, while I had it pretty bad, I can think of a couple kids who had it even worse than me, we all toughed it out, and for the most part got our apologies our fourth year of high school, were invited to parties, etc. achieved acceptance, etc. once people realized how stupid they were being. The only ones that really didn't fit in at this point were the ones that really were psychologically scarred (although to be fair, the psychological scarring was the result of outside events, nobody at the school had anything to do with it, and nobody ever made fun of those kids, theres no fun in kicking a dog when its down, etc.).
As for the homeschooling bit, I know a couple kids that have been homeschooled, and they're some of the coolest kids I know. They certainly get more action with the girls than I do.
chaos0xomega wrote:You miss the part where I had my nose broken? Maybe I should throw in that I was wearing my glasses at the time as well, yeah those were shattered and scratched up my face underneath my eyes and along my eyebrow ridge. How about the fact that the bottom halves of my two front teeth are artificially filled in, because some dick decided to push me down a full flight of stairs. Yeah, social pressure my ass, getting beat up isn't social pressure.
Thank goodness your experiences have given you compassion for other people who experience bullying.
You miss the part where I had my nose broken? Maybe I should throw in that I was wearing my glasses at the time as well, yeah those were shattered and scratched up my face underneath my eyes and along my eyebrow ridge. How about the fact that the bottom halves of my two front teeth are artificially filled in, because some dick decided to push me down a full flight of stairs. Yeah, social pressure my ass, getting beat up isn't social pressure.
This reminds me of the time mom decided it would be a good idea to hire an army grunt to be a babysitter. ( I still have some of the scars from the "classes" I was given.
I was killed four times by my tormentors, and the Head Teacher only stepped in when his car was used to run back and forth over my mangled remnants.
He objected to bits of entrails splattered on his chromework.
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Yes
but you were only strangled once.
I was killed four times by my tormentors, and the Head Teacher only stepped in when his car was used to run back and forth over my mangled remnants.
He objected to bits of entrails splattered on his chromework.
Ah! Schooldays! The best days of my lives.
I'm going to have a statue built for you one day Chibi...I truly am..
chaos0xomega wrote:You miss the part where I had my nose broken? Maybe I should throw in that I was wearing my glasses at the time as well, yeah those were shattered and scratched up my face underneath my eyes and along my eyebrow ridge. How about the fact that the bottom halves of my two front teeth are artificially filled in, because some dick decided to push me down a full flight of stairs. Yeah, social pressure my ass, getting beat up isn't social pressure.
Thank goodness your experiences have given you compassion for other people who experience bullying.
You are truly and inspiration to us all.
The way I see it, it helped me grow as a person, and I'm stronger because of it. I hate it when I see kids being bullied, but from the description of what Rebecca Black is dealing with, its just teasing, she isn't being threatened or beat up over it. Besides that, she made money off of it and has achieved worldwide notoriety/fame as a result. If I were her I'd be laughing along w/ everyone making fun of me all the way to the bank.
Skycrawler wrote:
This reminds me of the time mom decided it would be a good idea to hire an army grunt to be a babysitter. ( I still have some of the scars from the "classes" I was given.
That almost sounds epically awesome.... share stories?
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Yes
but you were only strangled once.
I was killed four times by my tormentors, and the Head Teacher only stepped in when his car was used to run back and forth over my mangled remnants.
He objected to bits of entrails splattered on his chromework.
Ah! Schooldays! The best days of my lives.
Sigged, seriously where do you come up with this stuff?
chaos0xomega wrote:You miss the part where I had my nose broken? Maybe I should throw in that I was wearing my glasses at the time as well, yeah those were shattered and scratched up my face underneath my eyes and along my eyebrow ridge. How about the fact that the bottom halves of my two front teeth are artificially filled in, because some dick decided to push me down a full flight of stairs. Yeah, social pressure my ass, getting beat up isn't social pressure.
Thank goodness your experiences have given you compassion for other people who experience bullying.
You are truly and inspiration to us all.
The way I see it, it helped me grow as a person, and I'm stronger because of it. I hate it when I see kids being bullied, but from the description of what Rebecca Black is dealing with, its just teasing, she isn't being threatened or beat up over it. Besides that, she made money off of it and has achieved worldwide notoriety/fame as a result. If I were her I'd be laughing along w/ everyone making fun of me all the way to the bank.
Unfortunately, you aren't the one who decides how someone feels about the way they are being treated, and your positions in this thread have actually been pretty insensitive considering what you allegedly went through.
Piling on with everyone else makes you just as bad as the bully themselves, and that's exactly what you did in the OP.
chaos0xomega wrote:
As for the homeschooling bit, I know a couple kids that have been homeschooled, and they're some of the coolest kids I know. They certainly get more action with the girls than I do.
From your posts it sounds like it'd be pretty difficult -not- to.
Personally, I plan on having my kids go to a private school or have them homeschooled. Seems so much easier as a parent, and anecdotally it's harder to get in with a bad crowd that way
Monster Rain wrote:
Unfortunately, you aren't the one who decides how someone feels about the way they are being treated, and your positions in this thread have actually been pretty insensitive considering what you allegedly went through.
Piling on with everyone else makes you just as bad as the bully themselves, and that's exactly what you did in the OP.
Unfortunately, you aren't the one who decides how someone feels about the way they are being treated, and your positions in this thread have actually been pretty insensitive considering what you allegedly went through.
Piling on with everyone else makes you just as bad as the bully themselves, and that's exactly what you did in the OP.
:shrug: maybe I'm just a 'runt elitist' but I went through way worse than her, I know others that have been through/are going through way worse than her, and they haven't/didn't quit. I have no sympathy for her given how trivial her 'plight' is by comparison. After all I've dealt with, I now have thicker skin than a rhino unless something really pisses me off, and I am incredibly insensitive to pretty much everything. You are talking to someone who regularly bitches people out for complaining that they had to wake up for class at 7 A.M. (I've most likely been up since 5), or because the steak they ordered at a restaurant was slightly over/under cooked (there are people out there that are lucky to even have food), etc. Personally, I call it manning up.
Maybe I am just as bad as the bullies, but the way I see it, I'm not because I'm not (nor would I) do anything to her in person... in fact, I am more likely to be a bully when I hear someone is quitting/giving in than I am to make fun of them for the way they dress, how gakky their song is, etc.
ineptus astartes wrote:Private schools can have bad crowds too.
Fact, I was in private school between 5th and 8th (really where all my troubles started), and that was actually by far much worse than the public high school I went to.
Vladsimpaler wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
As for the homeschooling bit, I know a couple kids that have been homeschooled, and they're some of the coolest kids I know. They certainly get more action with the girls than I do.
From your posts it sounds like it'd be pretty difficult -not- to.
Har har. Im way better off nowadays, but I still have terrible luck (my timing is terrible). Still these guys are not only some of the smartest guys I know but they're massively popular with the ladies, moreso than the vast majority of the people I know/have met (and I know some MAJOR players).
chaos0xomega wrote:
:shrug: maybe I'm just a 'runt elitist' but I went through way worse than her, I know others that have been through/are going through way worse than her, and they haven't/didn't quit.
You know Ms. Black, then? You have seen what she goes through on a daily basis?
Didn't you try to tell me off for not "knowing you"?
chaos0xomega wrote:
After all I've dealt with, I now have thicker skin than a rhino unless something really pisses me off, and I am incredibly insensitive to pretty much everything.
No you don't. Your angry rant earlier may have been a special case, but I have sparred with you in the past and you have gotten seemingly irate as a result. Either I am especially irritating, which is certainly possible, or your skin is not so thick as you believe; which unfortunately means that this "big man" attitude is a defense mechanism.
chaos0xomega wrote:
You are talking to someone who regularly bitches people out for complaining that they had to wake up for class at 7 A.M. (I've most likely been up since 5), or because the steak they ordered at a restaurant was slightly over/under cooked (there are people out there that are lucky to even have food), etc. Personally, I call it manning up.
Monster Rain wrote:Funny, my definition of "manning up" would include sticking up for people when some donkey-cave is bullying them.
Agreed. In fact, it's a source of constant surprise that so many Americans males consider 'manning-up' to mean 'acting like an obnoxious dick'.
Nobleness is the measure of a man, not that.
I agree in part...
While I believe one should speak up against those that would push another around I also believe that the person who finds him/herself as a target of abuse should stand up for themselves as well...
One can only keep another " under their wing" for so long.
Personally I don't see the point in insulting people, it never really makes me feel better than anyone else so I don't do it, although I can be critical at times.
Monster Rain wrote:Funny, my definition of "manning up" would include sticking up for people when some donkey-cave is bullying them.
Agreed. In fact, it's a source of constant surprise that so many Americans males consider 'manning-up' to mean 'acting like an obnoxious dick'.
Nobleness is the measure of a man, not that.
I agree in part...
While I believe one should speak up against those that would push another around I also believe that the person who finds him/herself as a target of abuse should stand up for themselves as well...
One can only keep another " under their wing" for so long.
chaos0xomega wrote:
:shrug: maybe I'm just a 'runt elitist' but I went through way worse than her, I know others that have been through/are going through way worse than her, and they haven't/didn't quit.
You know Ms. Black, then? You have seen what she goes through on a daily basis?
Didn't you try to tell me off for not "knowing you"?
I told you off for in effect calling me a liar more than anything else. According to what she said, her problems are whatever, pretty much every kid is going to get teased for saying or doing something or other. She is not being beat up, she did not have pornographic images of her plastered on the walls of the school, she wasn't raped, she isn't claiming vicious rumors are spreading about her giving the black rapper from her video a blowjob or anything like that, etc. I have checked multiple articles, and all of them basically say the same thing, kids singing her song in a funny voice/poking fun at her about the lyrics, thats called life. Maybe there is more to it than that, but she hasn't admitted it thus far. Besides that, what has she got to complain about, she has sold thousands of copies of her song on iTunes, she has been on Good Morning America, Katy Perry featured her in at least one of her music videos, Lady Gaga went to her house to meet her, Simon Cowell said that he is a big fan of her song... Simon fething Cowell liked her song. As far as I'm concerned, at that point, people can say whatever the hell they want, it's all motivated by jealousy.
No you don't. Your angry rant earlier may have been a special case, but I have sparred with you in the past and you have gotten seemingly irate as a result. Either I am especially irritating, which is certainly possible, or your skin is not so thick as you believe; which unfortunately means that this "big man" attitude is a defense mechanism.
It is a defense mechanism. It didn't come about as a result of me living in a world of gumdrop smiles and lemonade streams. As for being irate in previous sparring matches, I can't say I can recall really being upset by something you said. I have my own personal opinion of you, that is true, but its pretty hard to READ a tone of voice...
Funny, my definition of "manning up" would include sticking up for people when some donkey-cave is bullying them.
Been there, done that. I don't consider off key singing to be bullying. Honestly, unless things are different in California, school isn't even in session right now. Either kids are calling her up and harassing her at home (which IS actual bullying, but she has made no mention of this), or she is just taking advantage of her 'situation'. As far as I'm concerned, she is old news anyway, like most internet related meme's, her lifetime of popularity has expired. This is honestly the first time I've heard/read/seen her name all summer, and my guess is that if she is enduring a fresh round of bullying, it might be motivated by her new song, which I honestly can't even be bothered to listen to, and I just asked a bunch of the people I know if they had (including the group that first introduced me to that original terrible terrible song), and half of them didn't even know about it. I mean honestly, when was the last time you saw/made a reference to Star Wars kid? Numa Numa? Hell, i haven't even heard a Justin Bieber reference for a while now.
In any case, most of the times I do stick up for the victim, once the bully disappears I usually give the victim a lesson from my school of hard knocks on not taking crap from people and sticking up for themselves. I've earned the respect of many of the people I know for the way I handle these situations. You know, its that whole 'give a man a fish, teach a man to fish' thing. Someone isn't always going to be there to help you, you need to learn to figure out how to handle things yourself.
Also, you seriously bitch people out for wanting their food cooked a certain way because some people don't get food?
Read that comment again. I have nothing against people wanting their food cooked a certain way. Its when they get their food and everyone at the table is enjoying their meal, and the one dick in the corner is sitting there saying "Eh, this steak is terrible, its just way to dry, and look the color and texture is all wrong, and there is a little bit of pink in the center, I wanted medium well and this is clearly medium, and its over seasoned, and yadda yadda yadda." If the steakk is bad, we get it, you can go ahead and say so, its when you spend the entire time we are sitting their eating complaining about it that I have an issue and tell the guy to stfu and deal with it.
Agreed. In fact, it's a source of constant surprise that so many Americans males consider 'manning-up' to mean 'acting like an obnoxious dick'.
chaos0xomega wrote:
I told you off for in effect calling me a liar more than anything else.
I assume everyone is lying.
chaos0xomega wrote:
According to what she said, her problems are whatever, pretty much every kid is going to get teased for saying or doing something or other. She is not being beat up, she did not have pornographic images of her plastered on the walls of the school, she wasn't raped, she isn't claiming vicious rumors are spreading about her giving the black rapper from her video a blowjob or anything like that, etc. I have checked multiple articles, and all of them basically say the same thing, kids singing her song in a funny voice/poking fun at her about the lyrics, thats called life.
Well, right, but being hit in the head with a brick is also part of "life", and yet people seem to object to it.
Quite honestly, you sound vindictive.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Maybe there is more to it than that, but she hasn't admitted it thus far. Besides that, what has she got to complain about, she has sold thousands of copies of her song on iTunes, she has been on Good Morning America, Katy Perry featured her in at least one of her music videos, Lady Gaga went to her house to meet her, Simon Cowell said that he is a big fan of her song... Simon fething Cowell liked her song. As far as I'm concerned, at that point, people can say whatever the hell they want, it's all motivated by jealousy.
And yet another defense mechanism.
chaos0xomega wrote:
It is a defense mechanism. It didn't come about as a result of me living in a world of gumdrop smiles and lemonade streams. As for being irate in previous sparring matches, I can't say I can recall really being upset by something you said. I have my own personal opinion of you, that is true, but its pretty hard to READ a tone of voice...
Not as hard as you might think. For example, were I speaking these words, the tone would be exceptionally smug, as I am generally smug, and quite arrogant. Of course, you probably knew that at first breath.
Anyway, the funny thing about defense mechanisms is that they tend to produce false insecurity. For example, I don't trust people because I have issues trusting people in the past, and so I am comfortable with my own lies, and those of others. You appear to simply be angry, as it appears you have had experience dealing with anger in the past. My objection revolves around whether or not your anger is really the best recourse here.
Monster Rain wrote:Funny, my definition of "manning up" would include sticking up for people when some donkey-cave is bullying them.
Agreed. In fact, it's a source of constant surprise that so many Americans males consider 'manning-up' to mean 'acting like an obnoxious dick'.
Nobleness is the measure of a man, not that.
I agree in part...
While I believe one should speak up against those that would push another around I also believe that the person who finds him/herself as a target of abuse should stand up for themselves as well...
One can only keep another " under their wing" for so long.
Sometimes you only have to do it once for a person though. I've personally interrupted people who were giving someone a hassle, and once I did the victim (who was obviously at fault for his predicament ) took care of the problem on their own.
In some cases you just need to give a little nudge to get the ball rolling, that's all.
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chaos0xomega wrote:
dogma wrote:
You are an adorable little Cialis commercial.
ROFLMAO HAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAH sigged and exalted.
As for the rest of your post, meh.
Petulance. The true hallmark of an internet tough guy.
I'm surprised the video of the large kid being bullied by the small kid and going mental hasn't been posted yet. Surely that's how all bullying should be solved, with pile drivers?
MrDwhitey wrote:I'm surprised the video of the large kid being bullied by the small kid and going mental hasn't been posted yet. Surely that's how all bullying should be solved, with pile drivers?
Agreed, lol
Monster Rain wrote:
Petulance. The true hallmark of an internet tough guy.
Petulance? No, I really found that hilarious. I actually posted that quote to my facebook too.
MrDwhitey wrote:I'm surprised the video of the large kid being bullied by the small kid and going mental hasn't been posted yet. Surely that's how all bullying should be solved, with pile drivers?
Agreed, lol
Fun fact from a former bully: making things physical is usually the wrong route. Not only are we generally popular with students, we tend to be popular with administrators. It is very much a case of win the battle (maybe) and lose the war.
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Monster Rain wrote:That wasn't the part I was referring to, hoss.
Also, I've read more cringe inducing things than that National Review article. But not many.
I think we can all agree that Frank Miniter has a giant forehead.
MrDwhitey wrote:I'm surprised the video of the large kid being bullied by the small kid and going mental hasn't been posted yet. Surely that's how all bullying should be solved, with pile drivers?
Agreed, lol
Fun fact from a former bully: making things physical is usually the wrong route. Not only are we generally popular with students, we tend to be popular with administrators. It is very much a case of win the battle (maybe) and lose the war.
Fun fact from a former victim: this isn't true. At least it wasn't for me, most of the bullies were popular in their own cliques, but with the general population of the school they were kinda meh. Not unpopular, but by no means were they popular and well liked/respected. As for teachers/administrators, I was one of the star students at my school and well loved by all but a handful of the administrators, which was both a blessing and a curse (blessing because I had my ass saved by the teachers more often than not, a curse because it earned me additional ire from my peers as well as the reputation of being a teachers pet).
MrDwhitey wrote:I'm surprised the video of the large kid being bullied by the small kid and going mental hasn't been posted yet. Surely that's how all bullying should be solved, with pile drivers?
Also, you seriously bitch people out for wanting their food cooked a certain way because some people don't get food?
Read that comment again. I have nothing against people wanting their food cooked a certain way. Its when they get their food and everyone at the table is enjoying their meal, and the one dick in the corner is sitting there saying "Eh, this steak is terrible, its just way to dry, and look the color and texture is all wrong, and there is a little bit of pink in the center, I wanted medium well and this is clearly medium, and its over seasoned, and yadda yadda yadda." If the steakk is bad, we get it, you can go ahead and say so, its when you spend the entire time we are sitting their eating complaining about it that I have an issue and tell the guy to stfu and deal with it.
I DID. You don't say that, you say complain.
That's not complaining, that's bitching.
Your wording suggested something entirely different than your clarification.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Fun fact from a former victim: this isn't true. At least it wasn't for me, most of the bullies were popular in their own cliques, but with the general population of the school they were kinda meh. Not unpopular, but by no means were they popular and well liked/respected. As for teachers/administrators, I was one of the star students at my school and well loved by all but a handful of the administrators, which was both a blessing and a curse (blessing because I had my ass saved by the teachers more often than not, a curse because it earned me additional ire from my peers as well as the reputation of being a teachers pet).
If you were as heavily abused as you claim, then you have little credibility when it comes to judging popularity. It is a strange, but predictable, mistress which generally sides with those folk who have groups to begin with; making said folks more popular than those who lack any group.
Also, being a star student doesn't necessarily make administrators love you. Indeed, it often makes them resent you. If you want them to love you, then you do things which help them profit.
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dogma wrote:In this thread: people who have never been psychologically abused.
Personally, I would have contented myself with the fact that unlike all of the donkey-caves that hung around my school (half of them doing one form of drug or another) I actually managed to accomplish something.
And pointed this out in as vicious a way I could (whether subtle or not) any time they tried to start anything.
Yes, sometimes when I hear that one, I actually think of some of the bullies I knew, and whilst most of them are indeed locked into a life of chavism now, some were highly successful.
Personally I prefer the lesser known "They have no affect on my life now, bar constant friending on Facebook" thing.
dogma wrote:In this thread: people who have never been psychologically abused.
Personally, I would have contented myself with the fact that unlike all of the donkey-caves that hung around my school (half of them doing one form of drug or another) I actually managed to accomplish something.
And pointed this out in as vicious a way I could (whether subtle or not) any time they tried to start anything.
But then, spite is a very good motivator.
See, but I'm not a very vengeful person and I'm not really concerned about making others jealous, being more concerned about living a self-fulfilling lifestyle. Plus, I don't really consider myself above or lower than
Also, you seriously bitch people out for wanting their food cooked a certain way because some people don't get food?
Read that comment again. I have nothing against people wanting their food cooked a certain way. Its when they get their food and everyone at the table is enjoying their meal, and the one dick in the corner is sitting there saying "Eh, this steak is terrible, its just way to dry, and look the color and texture is all wrong, and there is a little bit of pink in the center, I wanted medium well and this is clearly medium, and its over seasoned, and yadda yadda yadda." If the steakk is bad, we get it, you can go ahead and say so, its when you spend the entire time we are sitting their eating complaining about it that I have an issue and tell the guy to stfu and deal with it.
I DID. You don't say that, you say complain.
That's not complaining, that's bitching.
Your wording suggested something entirely different than your clarification.
My bad, to me the words mean the same thing mostly, just one is used in a more derogatory manner.
If you were as heavily abused as you claim, then you have little credibility when it comes to judging popularity. It is a strange, but predictable, mistress which generally sides with those folk who have groups to begin with; making said folks more popular than those who lack any group.
Well, lets put it this way. None of the kids who picked on me ever won the popularity contests that come with high school (student government, prom queen/king (then again, i didn't go to prom, so I don't know who won...), etc. All the kids that were star football players/class president, etc. pretty much ignored me. Given the chance I don't doubt that they would have bullied me, but my guess I was to pathetic for them to even notice.
In fact, most of the kids that picked on me were arrested/suspended regularly for drug/alcohol use (on school grounds no less), dealing, fighting, being disruptive in class, etc.
Also, being a star student doesn't necessarily make administrators love you. Indeed, it often makes them resent you. If you want them to love you, then you do things which help them profit.
Well, if they resented me, they sure didn't act that way. When a teacher walks into a classroom and sees me jump on top of another kid and start waling on his face, and yells at the OTHER kid (not nearly as bad as it sounds, he had been punching me in the back of the head every so often for the previous five minutes or so and wouldn't stop and I had reached my breaking point by then) and sends him to the principals office, you know you're on his good side. Generally I wouldn't go out of my way to look good, but I pretty quickly became the 'go to guy' when the teacher invariably asked the class a question and got blank stares for an answer.
chaos0xomega wrote:Well, if they resented me, they sure didn't act that way. When a teacher walks into a classroom and sees me jump on top of another kid and start waling on his face, and yells at the OTHER kid (not nearly as bad as it sounds, he had been punching me in the back of the head every so often for the previous five minutes or so and wouldn't stop and I had reached my breaking point by then) and sends him to the principals office, you know you're on his good side.
So from the teachers viewpoint all he sees is:
Student A attack Student B.
He promptly blames the victim/Student B and without question sends him to the Principal. Did this teacher use to post on Dakka by any chance? If that's how it went down, then that teacher is a jackass. There must be more contextual evidence.
And yeah, having one kid always be the one with the answer doesn't mean they like you (though they could, how would I know). It's actually a big no no here for a teacher to encourage/condone just one kid giving answers.
chaos0xomega wrote:Well, if they resented me, they sure didn't act that way. When a teacher walks into a classroom and sees me jump on top of another kid and start waling on his face, and yells at the OTHER kid (not nearly as bad as it sounds, he had been punching me in the back of the head every so often for the previous five minutes or so and wouldn't stop and I had reached my breaking point by then) and sends him to the principals office, you know you're on his good side.
So from the teachers viewpoint all he sees is:
Student A attack Student B.
He promptly blames the victim/Student B and without question sends him to the Principal. Did this teacher use to post on Dakka by any chance? If that's how it went down, then that teacher is a jackass. There must be more contextual evidence.
Well, to be fair I don't know exactly what happened. He pulled me off of the other kid, brought me outside, asked me for my side of the story (because he knew me well enough to know that this was uncharacteristic behavior of me) heard my side of the story, walked back in the room and closed the door behind him, and then a minute or two later brought the kid out made him apologize, gave him a verbal dressing down, told him not to lay a finger on me ever again, and sent him to the office. I don't know if the other kid confessed or if the others kids in the class confessed for him. Either way, I didn't get in trouble for defending myself, even when on first sight it appeared that I was the attacker, and I rather enjoy that fact.
And yeah, having one kid always be the one with the answer doesn't mean they like you. It's actually a big no no here for a teacher to encourage/condone just one kid giving answers.
I know, my aunts and uncles are all teachers, I know how the system works, which is why I wouldn't answer unless asked directly/ the teacher started begging ("Does anybody have any idea?") or the teacher started flipping a gak (you know, the whole "What the hell is wrong with you guys, why don't you do your fething homework" speech?). In any case, I was also usually the best behaved student in class as well. Its hard to be disliked when you're the only one who shows up on time regularly, always has all his work done, doesn't talk/text/chew gum in class, doesn't make inappropriate comments and remarks, and treats the teachers with respect. I'm still on speaking terms with several of my teachers from way back when to this day, seems kinda silly to me to keep in touch with a student you didn't particularly like, no?
And this thread is quickly turning into a "what was your life like in high school" thread, lol
dogma wrote:The problem is that, on occasion, said donkey-caves turn out to be fairly accomplished.
True. But it's comforting for certain people to think that their tormentor will end up morbidly obese, and unemployed in a trailer park. Unlike the harsh reality where the former bully is doing well and the victims are still sitting around on the internet posting about people that don't even remember them.
MrDwhitey wrote:He promptly blames the victim
And well he should.
Medium of Death wrote:presumably 'turn out' would imply after further education... no?
Chaos, I must admit, a tremendous amount of what you're saying sounds improbable, exaggerated, and filled with 'internet tough guy' vibes. We've gone from you being the one being left a broken and abused shell to jumping on another student in class and 'wailing on his face'.
Sorry. I'm going to take pretty much everything you say in this thread now with a small mountain of salt.
Ketara wrote:Chaos, I must admit, a tremendous amount of what you're saying sounds improbable, exaggerated, and filled with 'internet tough guy' vibes. We've gone from you being the one being left a broken and abused shell to jumping on another student in class and 'wailing on his face'.
Sorry. I'm going to take pretty much everything you say in this thread now with a small mountain of salt.
waling on his face doesn't necessarily mean I inflicted any amount of damage, considering that this kid was easily double my weight and about a foot taller than me at the time, he prolly woulda killed me if the teacher hadn't shown up. Also worth noting that this is the same kid that tried choked me out in the middle of class. Just because I tried defending myself doesn't mean I wasn't abused, theres a reason why I got the "Most likely to shoot up the school" superlative (unofficially of course, teachers would never actually allow that in the yearbook), everyone has a breaking point, and I probably hit mine two or three times during high school and (tried to) get physical. Honestly, nothing is exaggerated, every bit of everything I have posted (in this thread) is true, whether or not its the whole truth is a slightly different manner. I'm trying my best to not look like a complete nancy boy (because God, was I a pathetic little feth back then). So yes, in some respects I am trying to be an 'internet tough guy', but only because I'm really embarrassed by a large chunk of my life.
chaos0xomega wrote:Honestly, nothing is exaggerated, every bit of everything I have posted (in this thread) is true, whether or not its the whole truth is a slightly different manner.
You're just babbling nonsense now.
chaos0xomega wrote:I'm trying my best to not look like a complete nancy boy (because God, was I a pathetic little feth back then). So yes, in some respects I am trying to be an 'internet tough guy', but only because I'm really embarrassed by a large chunk of my life.
Well, this thread is certainly worthy of being added to the list.
Slarg232 wrote:
He thought he was a bad ass, and got his "bad ass" handed to him. It's his own fault he "never heard the end of it", and I shed no tears for him.
Did I say anything about shedding tears for this guy?
No, it's an example of how if someone can't psychologically handle the situation, they remove themselves from it.
If you and jp400 can't accept that as a solution(or "buy it" as he puts it), it's your hang up, not mine.
And once again, it's his own fault for thinking he was a bad ass and then getting put in his place. Psychologically, if your story is true, he should have learned his lesson of getting whipped by someone when he insulted her Boy Friend. Maybe he should have thought about it instead of running his mouth, and it's his own fault if he got thrashed in such a way that made the entire town know about it.
In the Words of the New Guy: (Directed at your example, not you)
Gumdrop forests? Lemonade Streams? Oceans of Tears? I have seen all of these things mentioned and I want to know where they are.
Sounds a bit like:
For he led us, he said, to a joyous land,
Joining the town and just at hand,
Where waters gushed and fruit-trees grew,
And flowers put forth a fairer hue,
And everything was strange and new;
The sparrows were brighter than peacocks here,
And their dogs outran our fallow deer,
And honey-bees had lost their stings,
And horses were born with eagles' wings:
chaos0xomega wrote: So yes, in some respects I am trying to be an 'internet tough guy', but only because I'm really embarrassed by a large chunk of my life.
You have the wherewithal to say this, yet you do not act in accordance with it. Either you are exaggerating, or you need to come to terms with your feelings.
Well, this thread is certainly worthy of being added to the list.
Why, because I have an opinion that differs from your own?
dogma wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote: So yes, in some respects I am trying to be an 'internet tough guy', but only because I'm really embarrassed by a large chunk of my life.
You have the wherewithal to say this, yet you do not act in accordance with it. Either you are exaggerating, or you need to come to terms with your feelings.
Wanna run that by me one more time? Especially since last I checked wherewithal's definition had to do with having the financial means to do something...
Context is everything. Being thick skinned (I never said manly) does not make me a badass , it just means that I have a higher tolerance for abuse (and as a matter of fact I do have rather thick skin on my hands and feet, mostly from callouses while working. To pre-empt you, that doesn't make me a badass, it means I've done manual labor). waling (actually, is that even a word?) on someones face after they've punched you in the back of the head repeatedly likewise does not make me a badass, all that means is that I acted in self defense. Now, had I said I broke his nose, shattered his jaw, then yeah, I would say thats kinda badass, but I didn't. To my knowledge the kid didn't even really bruise up.
If thats what it takes to be a badass in your world, and you don't consider yourself to be a badass as a result, then I feel sorry for you, by that standard of measurement, even Steve Urkel (of Family Matters fame) is a badass. Kids got thicker skin than a dragon.
chaos0xomega wrote:If thats what it takes to be a badass in your world, and you don't consider yourself to be a badass as a result, then I feel sorry for you, by that standard of measurement, even Steve Urkel (of Family Matters fame) is a badass. Kids got thicker skin than a dragon.
I'm saying that you set the standard for what it means to be a bad ass very low if you think I'm claiming to be a bad ass based off of me saying I have thick skin and that I tried defending myself.
I went further and hit you with a veiled insult by saying that you either consider yourself a bad ass as well (and are therefore a hypocrite) based off of such low standards (qualities that a very large portion of the population possess), or that you don't consider yourself a badass meaning that you don't also possess these qualities, and as such would overreact to the simplest of insults and wouldn't raise a finger to stop someone from attacking you, I.E. you're a total wuss.
I went even FURTHER by implying that based off of your standards for what it means to be a badass (being thick skinned and willing to try defending yourself), Steve Urkel, perhaps the biggest nerd ever seen on a family sitcom, is apparently a bigger badass than you.
Ketara wrote:Chaos, I must admit, a tremendous amount of what you're saying sounds improbable, exaggerated, and filled with 'internet tough guy' vibes. We've gone from you being the one being left a broken and abused shell to jumping on another student in class and 'wailing on his face'.
Sorry. I'm going to take pretty much everything you say in this thread now with a small mountain of salt.
waling on his face doesn't necessarily mean I inflicted any amount of damage, considering that this kid was easily double my weight and about a foot taller than me at the time, he prolly woulda killed me if the teacher hadn't shown up. Also worth noting that this is the same kid that tried choked me out in the middle of class. Just because I tried defending myself doesn't mean I wasn't abused, theres a reason why I got the "Most likely to shoot up the school" superlative (unofficially of course, teachers would never actually allow that in the yearbook), everyone has a breaking point, and I probably hit mine two or three times during high school and (tried to) get physical. Honestly, nothing is exaggerated, every bit of everything I have posted (in this thread) is true, whether or not its the whole truth is a slightly different manner. I'm trying my best to not look like a complete nancy boy (because God, was I a pathetic little feth back then). So yes, in some respects I am trying to be an 'internet tough guy', but only because I'm really embarrassed by a large chunk of my life.
Pic related to my earlier posts, as well as this whole personal debacle.
chaos0xomega wrote:Then let me make it simpler for you.
Thank you.
chaos0xomega wrote:I'm saying that you set the standard for what it means to be a bad ass very low if you think I'm claiming to be a bad ass based off of me saying I have thick skin and that I tried defending myself.
I am at fault here. I didn't put [/sarcasm] tags around that post.
chaos0xomega wrote:I went further and hit you with a veiled insult by saying that you either consider yourself a bad ass as well (and are therefore a hypocrite) based off of such low standards (qualities that a very large portion of the population possess), or that you don't consider yourself a badass meaning that you don't also possess these qualities, and as such would overreact to the simplest of insults and wouldn't raise a finger to stop someone from attacking you, I.E. you're a total wuss.
It would be hard for you to prove that I'm a hypocrite, since you don't know what I actually believe. That may have been the first time I've heard the term "wuss" used since exiting the 6th grade. Then again, I apparently don't move in the circles of Viking Biker Chainsaw-Juggling Warlords that you do.
chaos0xomega wrote:I went even FURTHER by implying that based off of your standards for what it means to be a badass (being thick skinned and willing to try defending yourself), Steve Urkel, perhaps the biggest nerd ever seen on a family sitcom, is apparently a bigger badass than you.
I never outlined what it means to be a badass. I highlighted and paraphrased some silly things that you said.
And he is. He totally is. By the way, what year is it? Do people still talk about Urkel?
Pic related to my earlier posts, as well as this whole personal debacle.
Lol, that pic was really out there? Hah, how appropriate.
It would be hard for you to prove that I'm a hypocrite, since you don't know what I actually believe.
It was implied by what you stated before, although you claim that it needed sarcasm tags, so I don't even know anymore.
That may have been the first time I've heard the term "wuss" used since exiting the 6th grade. Then again, I apparently don't move in the circles of Viking Biker Chainsaw Juggling Warlords that you do.
You forgot the sarcasm tags again.
And he is. He totally is. By the way, what year is it? Do people still talk about Urkel?
Nick at Nite?No? I'm the only person on earth that still watches it? Darn...
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Is anyone else confused by the amount of different arguments springing up in this thread
Rebecca! You mega troll you!
Honestly I dont even know anymore... what was the OP about again?
chaos0xomega wrote:
Wanna run that by me one more time? Especially since last I checked wherewithal's definition had to do with having the financial means to do something...
It has to do with having the means, of any sort, to do any given thing.
The point was that you have stated your dislike of life portion X, and yet you seem to be continuing actions which likely created life portion X.
There was a line in an old John Cusak movie about never missing a good chance to shut up that keeps coming back to me as I read this thread.
I'm expecting to read tales of being beaten with chains and then dragged over cactus soon.
chaos0xomega wrote:
Wanna run that by me one more time? Especially since last I checked wherewithal's definition had to do with having the financial means to do something...
It has to do with having the means, of any sort, to do any given thing.
The point was that you have stated your dislike of life portion X, and yet you seem to be continuing actions which likely created life portion X.
It might be a difference of definition. I dunno, I just don't see what I've said in this thread as bullying. I would certainly never bully her if I met her in person, nor would I ever 'cyberbully' (which I think is a bit of a joke in and of itself anyway), nor am I facilitating or encouraging bully. Only thing I'm really doing is questioning the course of action she has pursued.
I'm expecting to read tales of being beaten with chains and then dragged over cactus soon.
Not so much the cactus, but there is a story involving chains and my ex... we're not going there and she is my EX for a reason...
MrDwhitey wrote:I'm surprised the video of the large kid being bullied by the small kid and going mental hasn't been posted yet. Surely that's how all bullying should be solved, with pile drivers?
Agreed, lol
Fun fact from a former bully: making things physical is usually the wrong route. Not only are we generally popular with students, we tend to be popular with administrators. It is very much a case of win the battle (maybe) and lose the war. \
not true, i can tell you now that you were not popular, you were hated behind your back, people discussed doing things to your regenerative member with a sausage grinder. nobody likes a jerk, they can fear bullies, but not respect them or think them actually cool, they just are too scared for their teeth.
if you actually thought you were 'popular' that is more than a bit pathetic.
dogma wrote:The problem is that, on occasion, said donkey-caves turn out to be fairly accomplished.
I laugh at that. Ever heard of Bill Sykes? he bullied Charles Dickens as a kid and now everybody thinks of him as the Sid and Nancy poster boy.
people like that start high, end up in the gutter begging.
Goddard wrote:This girl deserves none of the hate she gets.
ineptus astartes wrote:
not true, i can tell you now that you were not popular, you were hated behind your back, people discussed doing things to your regenerative member with a sausage grinder. nobody likes a jerk, they can fear bullies, but not respect them or think them actually cool, they just are too scared for their teeth.
if you actually thought you were 'popular' that is more than a bit pathetic.
You can tell me things about my life which you did not experience?
ineptus astartes wrote:
I laugh at that. Ever heard of Bill Sykes? he bullied Charles Dickens as a kid and now everybody thinks of him as the Sid and Nancy poster boy.
people like that start high, end up in the gutter begging
*Counts his money*
Oh, I'm sorry, was high school supposed to be important?
Yes, I can point out that in every school I have visited or attended, the bully thought he was a popular person and that everyone liked him, in fact everyone hated him and his dim perception of other people was clouded further by delusions of grandeur and flat out stupidity, which is the hallmark of all his ilk.
including you.
What the hell is wrong with you anyway? You get your sick kicks by tormenting others?
Your poor parents.
Albatross wrote:Uh, at least until mattyrm returns from his latest 'moderator holiday'...
Man, I only get four weeks Holiday a year. He must get half the year off!
ineptus astartes wrote:Yes, I can point out that in every school I have visited or attended, the bully thought he was a popular person and that everyone liked him, in fact everyone hated him and his dim perception of other people was clouded further by delusions of grandeur and flat out stupidity, which is the hallmark of all his ilk.
Some bullies were popular in my old school and some were not. It's never a flat out "If Bully = True then Popular = False".
ineptus astartes wrote:Yes, I can point out that in every school I have visited or attended, the bully thought he was a popular person and that everyone liked him, in fact everyone hated him and his dim perception of other people was clouded further by delusions of grandeur and flat out stupidity, which is the hallmark of all his ilk.
including you.
Bullies are often popular kids. The two terms are not mutually exclusive. I mean, nice as it is also, to believe in some giant cosmic karma in which the people who used to torment you end up starving in a Victorian gutter, in reality they end up living down the road from you, working three streets over from you, and possibly making more money than you.
Albatross wrote:I am clearly the biggest badass on this, or any other thread
ineptus astartes wrote:not true, i can tell you now that you were not popular, you were hated behind your back, people discussed doing things to your regenerative member with a sausage grinder. nobody likes a jerk, they can fear bullies, but not respect them or think them actually cool, they just are too scared for their teeth.
if you actually thought you were 'popular' that is more than a bit pathetic.
It's funny how you use the past tense in this post.
edit: and by that I mean, I still hate the bullies I knew in high school. I wasn't a victim (6'4", played football, and was still a geek), but I knew enough of them to dislike the bullies.
I dunno, I think Albatross could cheat in a fight club style fighting. Just after the bell rings....or bottle break whatever the trigger is, he can just let out a mighty 80s metal note that pierces the ears. That hurts, then whilst distracted from the bleeding ears, he can jump on them. That should be a rule anywas, no 80s wailing
While her song (and video) were horrible, at least she put herself out there and had the means to do so (supportive parents with more $$ than sense).
Jealousy of her fame/popularity lead to bullying which snowballed as others piled on. Typical high school B.S.
It's a shame she had to leave school rather than those responsible getting punished. Hopefully she'll have a functional, productive life and not end up selling her positions, declaring bankruptsy, becoming a security guard, beating her spouse, and dying before 45 to a "mysterious illness."
Best of luck to her.
Also: My neutered cat has more balls than most of the people that have called themselves badass in this thread. Just sayin...
Edit: "So far, Black says that the proceeds from “Friday” will be enough to cover college tuition." Wow. I would not have expected that. Good for her. Down with the bullies, though. Bullies suck.
Is it bad if I read some threads just for the funny pictures and dont participate in the arguments?
Automatically Appended Next Post: as for the OP, if I had to choose between getting bullied and not being in debt up to my eyeballs with student loans, or not being bullied, I might have picked the former, although I never experienced bullying, so make of that what you will.
ineptus astartes wrote:Yes, I can point out that in every school I have visited or attended, the bully thought he was a popular person and that everyone liked him, in fact everyone hated him and his dim perception of other people was clouded further by delusions of grandeur and flat out stupidity, which is the hallmark of all his ilk.
including you.
I don't hate dogma.
In fact, he's probably in my top 5 favorite posters. Also, it's not having "delusions of grandeur" if you actually are as awesome as you think you are.
ineptus astartes wrote:Yes, I can point out that in every school I have visited or attended, the bully thought he was a popular person and that everyone liked him, in fact everyone hated him and his dim perception of other people was clouded further by delusions of grandeur and flat out stupidity, which is the hallmark of all his ilk.
including you.
I don't hate dogma.
In fact, he's probably in my top 5 favorite posters. Also, it's not having "delusions of grandeur" if you actually are as awesome as you think you are.
I don't think he is awesome. a lot of people hopefully do not think he is awesome, if they do, well than I am clearly on the wrong board. I think I am trying top point out that you cant have everything you want in life by hurting others. its a means to an end, yes, but someday, unless you play your cards just right. Somebody is going to get fed up with you.
I really wish that Dogma would stop all this internet tough guy bisness. for all we know, he could be massively compensating for something with that massively overblown ego of his, or he could be a tiny, snotling sized person sitting at his desk in his parent's basement at the age of forty, getting off on all this fake rep he has built for himself.
ineptus astartes wrote:I don't think he is awesome. a lot of people hopefully do not think he is awesome, if they do, well than I am clearly on the wrong board. I think I am trying top point out that you cant have everything you want in life by hurting others. its a means to an end, yes, but someday, unless you play your cards just right. Somebody is going to get fed up with you.
I really wish that Dogma would stop all this internet tough guy bisness. for all we know, he could be massively compensating for something with that massively overblown ego of his, or he could be a tiny, snotling sized person sitting at his desk in his parent's basement at the age of forty, getting off on all this fake rep he has built for himself.
or he could just be a jerkoff.
...Or...he could be exactly what he claims to be.. ...not that he's really claimed to be much.
ineptus astartes wrote:I don't think he is awesome. a lot of people hopefully do not think he is awesome, if they do, well than I am clearly on the wrong board. I think I am trying top point out that you cant have everything you want in life by hurting others. its a means to an end, yes, but someday, unless you play your cards just right. Somebody is going to get fed up with you.
I think you have misread some of the posts here. I can only imagine that you're referring to dogma saying that in some cases the person who hassled others in high school ends up as being successful and isn't stricken down by some avenging angel as punishment for dishing out a wedgie that one time.
ineptus astartes wrote:I really wish that Dogma would stop all this internet tough guy bisness. for all we know, he could be massively compensating for something with that massively overblown ego of his, or he could be a tiny, snotling sized person sitting at his desk in his parent's basement at the age of forty, getting off on all this fake rep he has built for himself.
I don't think he comes off as a internet tough guy at all. He might just be Chaotic Evil, but to me that's part of his charm.
Seriously though, I think that if some stranger on the internet has gotten you this upset it might be time to take a break from the computer. Besides which, all of this is based off of your statement that it was possible that everyone hates the person that you happen to have "beef" with. I was just pointing out that it isn't the case in this instance.
ineptus astartes wrote:or he could just be a jerkoff.
That's just mean.
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dogma wrote:There are pictures of me on this board, and I've met some of the figures of note.
One of my great regrets is not getting the chance to meet up with you in Chicago.
ineptus astartes wrote:I don't think he is awesome. a lot of people hopefully do not think he is awesome, if they do, well than I am clearly on the wrong board. I think I am trying top point out that you cant have everything you want in life by hurting others. its a means to an end, yes, but someday, unless you play your cards just right. Somebody is going to get fed up with you.
I really wish that Dogma would stop all this internet tough guy bisness. for all we know, he could be massively compensating for something with that massively overblown ego of his, or he could be a tiny, snotling sized person sitting at his desk in his parent's basement at the age of forty, getting off on all this fake rep he has built for himself.
or he could just be a jerkoff.
If persons are making threats or are not complying with Rule #1 they should be reported. On the other hand if they are offering chocolate chip cookies they should be reported...to me!
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Monster Rain wrote:
ineptus astartes wrote:I don't think he is awesome. a lot of people hopefully do not think he is awesome, if they do, well than I am clearly on the wrong board. I think I am trying top point out that you cant have everything you want in life by hurting others. its a means to an end, yes, but someday, unless you play your cards just right. Somebody is going to get fed up with you.
I think you have misread some of the posts here. I can only imagine that you're referring to dogma saying that in some cases the person who hassled others in high school ends up as being successful and isn't stricken down by some avenging angel as punishment for dishing out a wedgie that one time.
ineptus astartes wrote:I really wish that Dogma would stop all this internet tough guy bisness. for all we know, he could be massively compensating for something with that massively overblown ego of his, or he could be a tiny, snotling sized person sitting at his desk in his parent's basement at the age of forty, getting off on all this fake rep he has built for himself.
I don't think he comes off as a internet tough guy at all. He might just be Chaotic Evil, but to me that's part of his charm.
Seriously though, I think that if some stranger on the internet has gotten you this upset it might be time to take a break from the computer. Besides which, all of this is based off of your statement that it was possible that everyone hates the person that you happen to have "beef" with. I was just pointing out that it isn't the case in this instance.
ineptus astartes wrote:or he could just be a jerkoff.
That's just mean.
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dogma wrote:There are pictures of me on this board, and I've met some of the figures of note.
One of my great regrets is not getting the chance to meet up with you in Chicago.
Damn flight itinerary changes!
And a nice reminder that there is an IGNORE button. It can be most helpful.
Well, Dogma himself has insisted he is a bully, I hate bullies. With every fiber of my being, they are Xeno Horrificus in my opinion.
He DOES seem to want to make himself look cool. I joined this forum to talk about 40k and take part in a few RPGs. not get in a flame war. but you see, if we do, you, me or him can't win, its like the crusades. both sides believe they are right. Personally, I do not see why you are defending someone who has proclaimed himself to find it funny to visit pain and misery on others.
ineptus astartes wrote:Well, Dogma himself has insisted he is a bully, I hate bullies. With every fiber of my being, they are Xeno Horrificus in my opinion.
He DOES seem to want to make himself look cool. I joined this forum to talk about 40k and take part in a few RPGs. not get in a flame war. but you see, if we do, you, me or him can't win, its like the crusades. both sides believe they are right. Personally, I do not see why you are defending someone who has proclaimed himself to find it funny to visit pain and misery on others.
ineptus astartes wrote:
He DOES seem to want to make himself look cool.
Yes I do, and, in all likelihood, so do you.
Who wants to be uncool?
Monster Rain wrote:
I joined this forum to talk about 40k and take part in a few RPGs. not get in a flame war. but you see, if we do, you, me or him can't win, its like the crusades. both sides believe they are right. Personally, I do not see why you are defending someone who has proclaimed himself to find it funny to visit pain and misery on others.
ineptus astartes wrote:Well, Dogma himself has insisted he is a bully, I hate bullies. With every fiber of my being, they are Xeno Horrificus in my opinion.
He said "former". I think that recognizing a failing in your past and being honest about it is a sign of maturity and personal growth.
ineptus astartes wrote:He DOES seem to want to make himself look cool.
How so?
ineptus astartes wrote:I joined this forum to talk about 40k and take part in a few RPGs.
I'd stay clear of the OT then. It's all drama and hatred. Everyone learns that sooner or later.
ineptus astartes wrote: I do not see why you are defending someone who has proclaimed himself to find it funny to visit pain and misery on others.
Does it look like I'm defending him? I'm just offering a differing viewpoint of someone that I've interacted with over a couple of years.
Also, this is a welcome diversion while I procrastinate doing my homework.
AH HA! You admit that he WAS a bully. but he seems to say he IS a bully. he said 'yes, I get my sick kicks out of tormenting others' or what amounted to that.
As a pasive observer of said thread. Yes there is some internet tough guy-ary here. And you like the bully in Christmas story are his little weasly lacky.
ineptus astartes wrote:AH HA! You admit that he WAS a bully. but he seems to say he IS a bully. he said 'yes, I get my sick kicks out of tormenting others' or what amounted to that.
Monster Rain wrote:
He said "former". I think that recognizing a failing in your past and being honest about it is a sign of maturity and personal growth.
Yes, I have indeed made (many, many, many) mistakes; it comes with growing up (and being human) .
This realization is why we go to high school.
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Also, this is a welcome diversion while I procrastinate doing my homework.
But your homework is delicious, and related to shrimp.
fire4effekt wrote:As a passive observer of said thread. Yes there is some internet tough guy-ary here. And you like the bully in Christmas story are his little weasly lacky.
ineptus astartes wrote:AH HA! You admit that he WAS a bully. but he seems to say he IS a bully. he said 'yes, I get my sick kicks out of tormenting others' or what amounted to that.
He said it in this thread. I don't know what you're getting all worked up about. See?
dogma wrote:Fun fact from a former bully
Also.
dogma wrote:But your homework is delicious, and related to shrimp.
If only. It's Nutrition, so it's about fiber whatnot. Boo.
ineptus astartes wrote:AH HA! You admit that he WAS a bully. but he seems to say he IS a bully. he said 'yes, I get my sick kicks out of tormenting others' or what amounted to that.
fire4effekt wrote:As a passive observer of said thread. Yes there is some internet tough guy-ary here. And you like the bully in Christmas story are his little weasly lacky.
fire4effekt wrote:As a passive observer of said thread. Yes there is some internet tough guy-ary here. And you like the bully in Christmas story are his little weasly lacky.
me?
No you ninja'd me. Monster Rain
I think we have a different interpretation of the events in question. Also, it would appear that I'm not the only one with this view.
FITZZ wrote: I'm still not really seeing where Dogma is coming across as an "internet tough guy"...
I happen to disagree with ineptus' statements, and I'm illustrating why. I'm sorry that this makes you so upset, fire4effekt.
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dogma wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
If only. It's Nutrition, so it's about fiber whatnot. Boo.
Pepper has fiber, and Steak au Poivre is a thing.
Sorry I just want meat to rain with the Monsters!
Oh, but it's not about the food that contains fiber so much as LDL cholesterol and fecal bulk and all that jazz. But, now that I'm really thinking about it I suppose I'll go do it now.
..." Coming soon, to a theater near you. Revenge of the Nerds: Part VIII..20 Sided Dice OF DEATH!!!..
...See: The Jock who mocked him beaten into a coma with his own football helmet!!!
...See: The Cheerleader who rejected him strangle on her pompoms!!!
...See: Him whine on an internet forum and cry himself to sleep!!!..."
..." Coming soon, to a theater near you. Revenge of the Nerds: Part VIII..20 Sided Dice OF DEATH!!!..
...See: The Jock who mocked him beaten into a coma with his own football helmet!!!
...See: The Cheerleader who rejected him strangle on her pompoms!!!
...See: Him whine on an internet forum and cry himself to sleep!!!..."
..." Coming soon, to a theater near you. Revenge of the Nerds: Part VIII..20 Sided Dice OF DEATH!!!..
...See: The Jock who mocked him beaten into a coma with his own football helmet!!!
...See: The Cheerleader who rejected him strangle on her pompoms!!!
...See: Him whine on an internet forum and cry himself to sleep!!!..."
Are you implying that I do that?
Well..no actually, I wasn't even thinking about you at all...and you say Dogma has delusions of grandure..
ineptus astartes wrote:Jesus! Look at those muscles! (and those elf ears!)
Tsk,tsk...pointing out another persons physical "oddities" borders on " bully behavior"...you should really be more sensitive ...his balloon of happiness is not yours to pop...his Mother probably loves his precious elf ears.
Hell, while I had it pretty bad, I can think of a couple kids who had it even worse than me, we all toughed it out, and for the most part got our apologies our fourth year of high school, were invited to parties, etc. achieved acceptance, etc. once people realized how stupid they were being. The only ones that really didn't fit in at this point were the ones that really were psychologically scarred (although to be fair, the psychological scarring was the result of outside events, nobody at the school had anything to do with it, and nobody ever made fun of those kids, theres no fun in kicking a dog when its down, etc.).
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Tsk,tsk...pointing out another persons physical "oddities" borders on " bully behavior"...you should really be more sensitive ...his balloon of happiness is not yours to pop...his Mother probably loves his precious elf ears.