Just wondering how many of you guys text while you drive/what your thoughts on it are. It seems most of my friend thinks its okay to do, even if it means that their driving goes to gak and they nearly get into accidents. I myself only ever do it if I'm stopped at a traffic light or in heavy traffic (and thus am not moving).

Using mobile phones whilst driving is illegal here.
Not that it stops the numpties from doing it.

It's illegal for the driver to use a mobile in non-handsfree mode here (and this also technically includes texting - althugh not specifically) too.

It was even written into one of our soapies - the dangers of text-driving - one of the characters was killed off while doing so.

Worth noting though, is that GPS units contribute to more traffic incidents than mobile use. Either drivers blindly following their directions (when their map is innaccurate) turning into a road that doesn't exist, or has become one-way (the other way), or drivers distracted by frantically re-entering waypoints.

Saw a chap belting down the M1 in the outside lane with a map spread out on his lap and a sandwich in his left hand.

Think he must of been using his right hand to have a shave. This was BM (before mobiles. I know. Some of you can't imagine how we ever managed without them! )

Dependent on driver skill. If I am a passenger in your car, and you text while driving with no noticeable impact on your driving..I don't care. If, on the other hand those oncoming traffic, ditches, trees, and guardrails are coming reeeeaaaal close and getting closer, expect me to rage at you. Threaten me with walking if you like, I have no tolerance for stupidity on the highway any more than I do on the firing line.

Doesn't matter if it is texting, eating, talking on the phone, admiring the scenery, reading a map, furious self-pleasuring sessions, I really don't care....but if you can't manage to control your vehicle GET OFF THE ROAD.

I flat out just don't want anyone texting while I'm in their car, unfortunately, its their car, and by getting into it I agreed to an unwritten contract that puts me at their mercy... I have only met one person who was capabl of driving basically flawlessly while texting, but she was evil... and a ginger...

But anyway, I feel like if someone is in my car I am ultimately responsible for their well being, and as such would never do anything that might even remotely jeopardize their well being, when I'm alone on the other hand, I feel more comfortable to relax a bit. By all means, I'm a safe driver, just I'm more willing to say eat food or fuss around with the radio/my iPod (played over the speakers of course, headphones are a dumb idea when driving IMO) when I'm alone.

There is no functional difference between texting while driving, and drinking a 6 pack before driving.

it is better to get in the car with someone stoned on weed than a drunk person or a texter/driver.

I think its illegal here in California... I forget...

I hate texting or using the phone while driving... but there are still times where I do it. It gets me all nervous... not because of cops but because gak can happen.

I think its illegal in most of the US, yes? Its illegal in NY/NJ at least. In regards to the drinking vs. texting/weed, is that actually established fact? If you have links to studies I'd love to see them.

I think the worst I've ever done is answer my phone to tell my parents I was driving (because they wouldn't stop calling me).

well, aside from having witnesses, weed simply makes you a bit floaty feeling.



alcohol reduces reaction time and effectiveness.
both bad, but I would go with the lesser of two evils.

I often text while driving. In fact I even post on dakkadakka while driving...oh adsfcuk crassshjj

LOL.

really.

Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to drive around without watching the road is asking to have an accident.

ineptus astartes wrote:well, aside from having witnesses, weed simply makes you a bit floaty feeling.

And you know this how?

I ask questions.

I got rear ended about a year and a half ago. A car 2 or so cars in front of me was turning into a parking lot. I looked in the rear view mirror when i stopped and sure as I saw some girl with her face glued to her phone. She didn't even look up until she was about 5 feet away.

But, she bought me a new truck, a brand new contractors cap, brand new 28 foot ladder, etc... so I guess I should have thanked her lol!

SOFDC wrote:Dependent on driver skill.

It really isn't, texting requires a bit of effort and draws a lot of concentration. Having a conversation with a person is one thing, but you should always have both hands available to drive the car even if you're not using them all the time. Also you shouldn't take your eyes off the road for more than a moment and I don't see how texting is compatible with that. Ask someone else in the car to do the text or pull over.

Anyone who thinks they have the skill to drive and text is exactly the sort of person who should be a worry, what else are they likely to do that involved not actually driving the damn car?

I can barely text when I concentrate my hardest with no distractions, never mind behind a wheel.

I don't text.

I do use the phone while driving, but that's no more distracting than listening to the radio or talking to a passenger.

No texting whilst driving and no phoning either, it's illegal here, but as was said earlier, idiots still do it.

Completely anecdotal but, most I've seen on the phone driving are in 4x4s.

while it is not illegal in my state it is in my county. i think that all cellphone use should be banned while you are driving unless you are using hands free.

to all of those people who use them while driving i will issue you my warning...

if your cellphone usage (calling or texting) is the reason you caused an accident with my vehicle, i reserve the full right to take said mobile device from you, beat you with it and smash it completely so that there is no usable part.

i will then sue you for using said mobile device while driving and causing an accident.

you have been warned.

A study was done a few years back (if I find the source I'll post it) where a tv presenter took part in a driving simulation under normal conditions. His driving was very smooth and observant throughout. They then redid the test and the guy controlling the simulation rang him on the presenters "handsfree" mobile (yes, I said a handsfree mobile)and had a conversation with him about some random topic, after completing the second part of the test they found the drivers reaction speed were very much slower and his lane control was wavery whilst talking on the handsfree phone. Basically he was not paying enough attention to the road.

Then just for argument sake because of all the nay sayers that say that if mobiles are distracting then so are passengers, they redid the test again only this time the guy controlling the simulation joined him in the car and had a random conversation, The guys driving was virtually the same as it was in the first test.

So if you aren't paying much attention when using a hands free then how the hell can you pay attention when physically holding a mobile phone with one hand to your ear or using it to text. The point they were trying to prove is that when talking on the phone to someone the conversation distracts you as the person calling will be talking normally without an idea of the surroundings your in .... whereas, when in the car with you, most passengers will stop talking when the driver reaches junctions or complex manovers as a natural reaction to allow the driver to concentrate as well as the driver ignoring the passenger when concentrating as well.


I would give my own personal view on people using mobiles, but I don't want to be banned. I've seen far to many programs on what happens for me to be polite about it.

I was wondering if there had been any scientific tests done.

While listening to radio, talking to a passenger and talking on the phone superficially seem like the same thing, I can well suppose there are different psychological processes in operation in the three cases, which would affect driver skill differently.

A 2009 experiment with Car and Driver magazine editor Eddie Alterman that took place at a deserted air strip showed that texting while driving had a greater impact on safety than driving drunk. While legally drunk, Alterman's stopping distance from 70 mph increased by 4 feet; by contrast, reading an e-mail added 36 feet, and sending a text added 70 feet.

Just stopping distance though.

This could be a fun read, it's by the Royal Society for Preventation of Accidents.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/info/mobile_phone_report.pdf

There's a sort of summary on page 11 (7 if you go by the documents own pages) of the things using a phone impairs.

If you text/facebook (yes I know people that have browsed facebook while driving, down winding narrow country lanes, at 3am)/whatever while driving you are a f#####g moron...

I can't imagine a more stupid thing to do while driving than concentrate hard on writing a message on a tiny screen instead of looking where the car is going. IIRC they did a study, and talking on a non hands-free mobile phone lowers your concentration and attention to the road as much as being drunk.

I just don't get why people do it, I mean, if it's not that important, it can wait until you have completed your journey. If it IS that important, then find a place to pull over, stop the car and then phone/text/whatever! It's not exactly a difficult conclusion to come to



edit: Thankfully, MrDwhitey seems to have ninja'd me with the source for the study I mentioned in the post

Kilkrazy wrote:I was wondering if there had been any scientific tests done.

While listening to radio, talking to a passenger and talking on the phone superficially seem like the same thing, I can well suppose there are different psychological processes in operation in the three cases, which would affect driver skill differently.

All I remember is it was 15min long and may have appeared on a program like "the One Show". The test was indeed to show that a driver handles a conversation differently when with a person rather than talking through a handsfree/mobile. As a driver I would assume that knowing that you need to concentrate more in certain area's than others its a natural reaction to stop talking when you are the passenger of anothers car. I often find I do so without even thinking about it. Whereas on the contary I also know people who will keep talking regardless, and funny enough all those people I actually class as bad drivers as well because they can't drive straight.

Never mind the distraction, how can you control the are with just one hand? The amount of times some prat pulls out on me without signaling or looking properly because they are on the phone and are not looking for a bike...

Don't do it. Ever. If you think your skilled enough at driving to manage it, your not. Whats the point? It only takes one lapse to kill someone.


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chaos0xomega wrote:I flat out just don't want anyone texting while I'm in their car, unfortunately, its their car, and by getting into it I agreed to an unwritten contract that puts me at their merc.

I disagree. I will tell someone if they are a danger. When I have someone else in the car I make sure I take more care, not less and would expect if someone was frightend by my driving (I hope they are not) to tell me. They have a duty of care to the passengers, who have no control over what the car is doing.

Last time my mate tried texting while driving I told him he had a posh looking phone and could I look at it, as soon as he handed it over I tossed it into the back seat. He kinda knew I was making a point and couldn't disagree so said nothing about it. Just because your a passenger doesn't mean you have to accept there way of driving. Obviously you can't always opt for this, but there is the option of getting out and walking if they refuse to stop acting like a douche

I don't don't know about unwritten rules but there is a WRITTEN rule about paying due care and attention to the road. Texting is not paying attention and therefore you shouldn't do it. If someone thinks its ok to do it then I'll put them in touch with a guy who spends a lot of his time going from place to place to talk to drivers on the dangers of using mobiles in cars when he ran over and killed a young girl while using his.

This is starting to remind me of a conversation I had with a (ex)friend who thought you can drink and drive as long as you drive slowly enough. But thats another story thoughly mildly relating

Kilkrazy wrote:Anyone who thinks it is a good idea to drive around without watching the road is asking to have an accident.

I think this says it best. My opinion is that people who text and drive (or do anything other than pay attention!) simply take for granted that they are strapped into a large metal can filled with gasoline hurling down the road. I guess it has something to do with relative luxery of most cars these days. My first car was an '84 toyata corola and when you were flying down the highway at 60mph you felt like you were going 100mph and you held on for dear life.

Glad to see that most people in this thread are falling on the side of sanity. When you are operating a tonne of metal at speeds of 60mph or more in close proximity to other people you should bloody well concentrate on it.

Ouze wrote:There is no functional difference between texting while driving, and drinking a 6 pack before driving.

This. Texting is way too distracting.

I see it all of the time in Houston. It's wreckless driving, to be honest. I've also seen people reading books and magazines while driving, unfolding a huge map that covers the steering wheel and parts of the window.

All of that pales to how distracting and dangerous and wide-spread texting and driving is. I would vote for any law that would punish texter drivers to the same extent as drunk drivers.

Once, whilst on holiday in America, I saw a young lady steering her car with her feet whilst applying make-up with her hands.

At the risk of making a sweeping generalisation, I would suggest that this sort of thing is slightly more prevalent in America, as you chaps have many more driver aids as standard on your cars (like cruise control) and also have a larger proportion of automatics than over here. It makes it easier to jump in your car and cruise off with little driver input.

Having said that, I have seen just as many lunatics in cars over here - we have a particular scourge of boy-racers where I live whose driving skills are appalling.

Using a phone to do anything whilst driving is plain stupid. It matters not a jot how good you think you are behind the wheel of a car, if you do it and get caught you should be banned for 6 months and be forced to sit a re-test.
It effects your reaction time as much as having drunk 3 pints of beer. And driving whilst mightily stoned is also a VERY bad idea, thankfully I stopped smoking da 'erb before I passed my test.

As much as I would love forced re-sits of driving tests every 15 years or after a driving offence i know it would never happen. So many drivers would fail completly under the new test criteria that it would be laughable.

I seriously want to punch the gak out of people that do that. I wish it were legal for me to do that, or throw bottles at them. Something.

I see it all of the time in Houston. It's wreckless driving, to be honest. I've also seen people reading books and magazines while driving, unfolding a huge map that covers the steering wheel and parts of the window.

Holy cow, Houston is one of the worst places to drive in America, imo. It reminds me of driving in Mexico in that it is as if most vehicle operators are not aware of the fact there are indeed seperate lanes, and posted speed limits. Not only that, many seem to have an air of ' i dont care if something happens to my car and i assume you feel the same'.

In terms of texting while driving, I only have this to say:

I hope you wreck your car and only kill yourself before you have the opportunity to kill an innocent bystander. Getting yourself killed is inevitable, so better do it before you take anyone else with you.

filbert wrote:Once, whilst on holiday in America, I saw a young lady steering her car with her feet whilst applying make-up with her hands.

It's critical skills like these that allowed us to throw off the shackles of our British oppressors. I suppose it was an intimidating sight, that - the raw American exceptionalism that allowed our country to mount the world as a conquered steed, while yours is reduced to slowly whittling away at our economy with your plastic spacemens.

USA! USA! USA!

Ouze wrote:

filbert wrote:Once, whilst on holiday in America, I saw a young lady steering her car with her feet whilst applying make-up with her hands.

It's critical skills like these that allowed us to throw off the shackles of our British oppressors. I suppose it was an intimidating sight, that - the raw American exceptionalism that allowed our country to mount the world as a conquered steed, while yours is reduced to slowly whittling away at our economy with your plastic spacemens.

USA! USA! USA!

Something like that. I certainly admired the flexibility demonstrated - I assume she had one foot on or near the pedals and the other shoeless foot was grasping the steering wheel. It definitely demonstrated remarkable agility.

Grakmar wrote:In terms of texting while driving, I only have this to say:

I hope you wreck your car and only kill yourself before you have the opportunity to kill an innocent bystander. Getting yourself killed is inevitable, so better do it before you take anyone else with you.

As much as I agree with this, its always seems the case that they wipe someone else off the road, killing them whilst they themselves walk away. Its a sad trend

I only do it when I'm stopped, and only if it's a very, very brief text (something like OMW to let someone know I'm on the way to their house). Otherwise, it is illegal in my state of Minnesota.

I do eat and drive, though...nothing fancy, usually just a sandwich in one hand, steering wheel in the other.

There is nothing so important that it should be texted whilst driving. If it was important stop and call.

And since texting is usually just used to let someone know banal imformation (Lol!) I heartily approve of all convicitions for anyone that does this.

Texting while driving is more dangerous than talking on the phone while driving. People who do it are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I get nervous just answering my phone on the road-- I prefer to pull over to answer it unless I'm on a highway.

People around my area can barely drive even without cellphone use. Its asking to get your car wreck!

Plus its illegal for fresh driver licenses to have cellular devices I think in the car but I doubt too many people care about that

Using a phone while driving is both Illegal, and so insanely dumb people who do it should just hit walls.

This is illionis. Our drivers suck. No matter what 1/10 of my class will be involved in an accident because of texting, or drinking.
don't believe drive in illionis....

In Germany here, its illegal to use a phone without handsfree device.. but that doesnt stop many people from doing so. Also, the way that they define it here, apparently you are "driving" your car if it has keys in the ignition.. so if you want to use the phone without a headset, you have to stop, turn off the car, and remove the keys...

In Oregon, where I am originally from, its been illegal for a long time, but only recently became a "primary offense". So, it used to be that phone use would be something added on to a ticket, now you can be pulled over for nothing more than using the phone whilst moving in a vehicle

Asherian Command wrote:This is illionis. Our drivers suck. No matter what 1/10 of my class will be involved in an accident because of texting, or drinking.
don't believe drive in illionis....

OMG, I drove through Illinois on my way to Seattle, easily the worst drivers and the worst roads in the country. I DO NOT KNOW how the roads could be so crappy when there seems to be a toll every 5 miles. And drivers need to learn how to use a turn signal... and how to merge... and how to drive in a straight line...

Anyway, glad to see most of my fellow Dakkites/Dakkanauts don't engage in such risky behavior, although its strange since most of my non-dakka based friends do, maybe that speaks for the general level of intelligence of posters on these forums...

So how about texting while having sex? Hasn't happened to me personally, but Ive heard stories from my friends about the girl reading and replying to texts while my buddies been porkin' them, in most cases it seems to have been a mood killer and the fun ended there.

chaos0xomega wrote:
OMG, I drove through Illinois on my way to Seattle, easily the worst drivers and the worst roads in the country. I DO NOT KNOW how the roads could be so crappy when there seems to be a toll every 5 miles. And drivers need to learn how to use a turn signal... and how to merge... and how to drive in a straight line...

YEah thats why i don't drive anymore. Parkour is safer than driving in Illionis IMHO.
Yeah. Roads suck here.

Anyway, glad to see most of my fellow Dakkites/Dakkanauts don't engage in such risky behavior, although its strange since most of my non-dakka based friends do, maybe that speaks for the general level of intelligence of posters on these forums...

That is good to hear.

So how about texting while having sex? Hasn't happened to me personally, but Ive heard stories from my friends about the girl reading and replying to texts while my buddies been porkin' them, in most cases it seems to have been a mood killer and the fun ended there.

Wait what? That has never ever happened to me. Well mostly because I am a virgin. But I have heard of a few girls doing it.

I once was in a chain-crash because some stupid she-dog was texting and driving.

ten cars were totaled.

the van behind us was crushed like a tin can by an oil tanker. lucky the worst the drivers suffered was a sprained ankle.
and the worst part, is that when a cop showed up, he said 'talk amongst yourselves' and drove off.

I was lucky I was wearing my seatbelt. because a box of pineapples flew right through our windshields when the impact happened.

ineptus astartes wrote:I was lucky I was wearing my seatbelt. because a box of pineapples flew right through our windshields when the impact happened.

Lol Nepal

actually, this was when i lived in the states. driving home from Christmas.

I hate people who text while driving. Some idiot tried to switch lanes on the highway while texting a couple weeks ago and almost hit me! if people want to text and drive, they had minus well jump off a cliff in a forest somewhere, just kill yourself rather than yourself AND others, freakin idiots.

It's illegal here, like it should be.

They've proven that it's damn dangerous, so why people keep doing it, I don't know.

Wolfun wrote:so why people keep doing it, I don't know.

Because as we progress, the level of common sense has eroded, and the addiction to facebook and this twitter crap fuels a "need" to always be connected, even though you arent... dunno how true that is, but its my own 2 cents.

Texting while driving is stupid, and you should feel..... no, scratch that, you ARE stupid for doing it.

Ensis Ferrae wrote:

Wolfun wrote:so why people keep doing it, I don't know.

Because as we progress, the level of common sense has eroded, and the addiction to facebook and this twitter crap fuels a "need" to always be connected, even though you arent... dunno how true that is, but its my own 2 cents.

What is this common sense you speak of?

I will check texts while driving. I will answer the phone once in awhile to see if its important. Never on the freeway unless its like a convey type situation for directions.

As for passenger, you can check, but don't text back. Unless you are my friend Karl. It is safer for him to text than to drive undistracted.

Illegal here; doesn't stop some fethers from doing it though.

What's even better is the dirty look you get when you mime putting the phone down to someone who's using it, the "What the feth are you looking at you gakker?" look that tries to make you look like the person in the wrong. They're eager enough to accept it's wrong when the fuzz are nearby though, both hands on the wheel until they're out of sight and then it's right back up to their head again as they narrowly miss striking every car in sight when they change lanes or realise the lights are on red.

sparkywtf wrote:I will check texts while driving. I will answer the phone once in awhile to see if its important. Never on the freeway unless its like a convey type situation for directions.

Make sure you tell the police it was an important call when you cause an accident, they'll understand I'm sure

HellsGuardian316 wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:I will check texts while driving. I will answer the phone once in awhile to see if its important. Never on the freeway unless its like a convey type situation for directions.

Make sure you tell the police it was an important call when you cause an accident, they'll understand I'm sure

This, indeed. I wonder, how important must a call be to justify the death of another person because you smashed into their car whilst not paying attention?

htj wrote:

HellsGuardian316 wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:I will check texts while driving. I will answer the phone once in awhile to see if its important. Never on the freeway unless its like a convey type situation for directions.

Make sure you tell the police it was an important call when you cause an accident, they'll understand I'm sure

This, indeed. I wonder, how important must a call be to justify the death of another person because you smashed into their car whilst not paying attention?

Didn't you know, the phone call about how uber rad last night was is much more important than the lifes of the people he will hit not seeing the red light. Or the car doing an emegancy stop in front. Or the Biker in the next lane he will not see when he pulls across. etc etc.

filbert wrote:

Ouze wrote:

filbert wrote:Once, whilst on holiday in America, I saw a young lady steering her car with her feet whilst applying make-up with her hands.

It's critical skills like these that allowed us to throw off the shackles of our British oppressors. I suppose it was an intimidating sight, that - the raw American exceptionalism that allowed our country to mount the world as a conquered steed, while yours is reduced to slowly whittling away at our economy with your plastic spacemens.

USA! USA! USA!

Something like that. I certainly admired the flexibility demonstrated - I assume she had one foot on or near the pedals and the other shoeless foot was grasping the steering wheel. It definitely demonstrated remarkable agility.

You missed out the " And reader, I married her !" bit.

ineptus astartes wrote:I ask questions.

Right, so you asked some questions (presumably to young teens, who are fething clueless about such matters) about what it's like to get high, and suddenly you think you're qualified to say what is and isn't a dangerous substance to drive under the influence of? Rad. Do me and everyone around you a favour - never drive. Cannabis is a powerful narcotic substance; it affects people in different ways, but it most certainly does not just make you feel a bit 'floaty', and I most certainly would not recommend trying to control a bomb-on-wheels at high speed when baked. Weed can affect your concentration in a major way, it can make your reactions sluggish, and in extreme cases, can make you hallucinate or give you panic attacks. Don't be so stupid as to suggest that you can drive well whilst stoned. You can't.

nope. I was asking my mom because I was dong a report on the adverse affects on drunk driving, I wanted something totally unbelievable to compare it with, I got it.

(And my mom was a teacher for 6 years, as well as a journalist her whole life, she knows this stuff)

And about it being a hallucinogen? Bullgak.

I am not saying that it is 'alright' to drive whilst stoned. I am saying that if given the choice between being driven by a guy who has been drinking and a man who has been smoking weed, go with the junkie.

ineptus astartes wrote:

I am not saying that it is 'alright' to drive whilst stoned. I am saying that if given the choice between being driven by a guy who has been drinking and a man who has been smoking weed, go with the junkie.

Tbh if those were my only choices... I think I'd rather walk, unless I utterly desperately needed to get somewhere. (And then I'd call myself crazy!) I've been offered a ride in a car by someone who was stoned, didn't get in and saw how they drove down the road... not better than drink at all!


I'll agree with most here and say texting while driving is just plain idiocy. Being currently a non-driver (planning on fixing that next year) I am often forced to take a ride with someone who uses a mobile while driving, not a hands-free one either and their driving is definately affected in a bad way... though they swear otherwise. I have to cope with this however as its not someone I can say anything too.... or I don't get to go to important hospital appointments.

iving and texting is just like doing it in a bike. exept that bike is a one-ton peice of metal with a combustable gasoline tank hurtling along at 40 MPH.

ineptus astartes wrote:iving and texting is just like doing it in a bike. exept that bike is a one-ton peice of metal with a combustable gasoline tank hurtling along at 40 MPH.

Man, I have got to get me one of these one-ton megabikes!

ineptus astartes wrote:driving and texting is just like doing it in a bike. exept that bike is a one-ton peice of metal with a combustable gasoline tank hurtling along at 40 MPH.

I agree, you can actually get killed by a cyclist as daft as it might sound. Though obviously a car will be travelling at a much greater speed and impact more of the body, thus making it more dangerous.

I'm gonna leave this here
http://youtu.be/ZqgOzLqUERM





Apologies for my post going more off topic, but thought this might be useful on the Cannabis statements
http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugdope.html

Partial Quote from link above -- Most cannabis is pretty mild, although recent varieties such as skunk, northern lights and purple haze can have a very strong - and sometimes hallucinogenic - effect.

Its possible she might not be aware of the varients mentioned that do cause hallucinogenic effects. My mother is a teacher aswell so I know they have enough on their plates

you see in America Fox News is treated as a comedy because they couldnt report REAL news if they tried, i put them on par with Nancy Grace

ineptus astartes wrote:nope. I was asking my mom because I was dong a report on the adverse affects on drunk driving, I wanted something totally unbelievable to compare it with, I got it.

(And my mom was a teacher for 6 years, as well as a journalist her whole life, she knows this stuff)

Being a journalist and a teacher doesn't necessarily mean she knows gak about drugs, sorry.

And about it being a hallucinogen? Bullgak.

Once again, you know this how? You're talking out of your arse, son. You need to come back once you actually have some experience in these matters. I've been smoking pot since before you could walk, and I can attest to the fact that in sufficient 'doses', weed can alter your vision and hearing - certainly enough to affect your driving ability. Don't try to school me when you haven't got a fething clue what you're chatting.

I am not saying that it is 'alright' to drive whilst stoned. I am saying that if given the choice between being driven by a guy who has been drinking and a man who has been smoking weed, go with the junkie.

...based on on the fact that your mum has seemingly told you that weed makes you feel a bit 'floaty'. Which is horsegak. Also, smoking pot doesn't make you a heroin addict, so the word 'junkie' is inaccurate in this context.

Speaking of walking, I do remember reading that MILES PER TRAVELED, its more dangerous to walk drunk than to drive drunk. I wonder how the comparison is for texting

I fudging hate people who text while walking in the parking lot! Cant they see I'm parking here

Such is the laws of nature, culling out those unfit from the genepool and the ones who suffer from collateral damage

kenshin620 wrote:Speaking of walking, I do remember reading that MILES PER TRAVELED, its more dangerous to walk drunk than to drive drunk.

Yeah, I think I got that one recently.

I shouldn't have drunk so much, especially when walking down a street where it has those old fashioned spiral staircases going straight down.

I never text while driving. It's stupid, unsafe, and against the law... And I could spill my beer!

I say institute the death penalty for the first offense of getting pulled over for it. Okay, that's a little harsh. Perhaps just immediate revocation of you driver's license.

If you have that little regard for the other people on the road, you shouldn't be driving.

ineptus astartes wrote:nope. I was asking my mom because I was dong a report on the adverse affects on drunk driving, I wanted something totally unbelievable to compare it with, I got it.

(And my mom was a teacher for 6 years, as well as a journalist her whole life, she knows this stuff)

And about it being a hallucinogen? Bullgak.

I am not saying that it is 'alright' to drive whilst stoned. I am saying that if given the choice between being driven by a guy who has been drinking and a man who has been smoking weed, go with the junkie.

Guess I'll step in here.

While weed is somewhat less dangerous then drunk driving, it's still extremely dangerous to do so.

And it is hallucinogenic in large doses, but these doses can't be achieved by smoking, that's why space cake was invented.

If given that choice, you walk.

And Albatross, the word junky can be applied to weed addicts. It's not a physical addiction, I know, but it messes up your brain just as much.

ineptus astartes wrote:And about it being a hallucinogen? Bullgak.

Wrong again.

It's definitely classified as a hallucinogen.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/293752-overview

Drugs classified as hallucinogens (abbreviated)

Lysergamides
Lysergic acid diethylamide
Lysergic acid hydroxyethylamide (in morning glory seeds and Hawaiian baby woodrose)
Indolealkylamines
Psilocybin
Psilocin
Bufotenin
Dimethyltryptamine (DMT)
Alpha-methyltryptamine (AMT)
5-methoxy,-N,N-dimethyltryptamine (5-MeO-DMT)
5-methoxy,-N,N-diisopropyl-tryptamine (5-MeO-DIPT)
Phenylethylamines
Mescaline
Methamphetamines
3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA)
3,4-methylenedioxyethamphetamine (MDEA)
3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine (MMDA)
4-methyl-2,5-dimethoxymethamphetamine (DOM)
Piperidines
Ketamine
Phencyclidine (PCP)
Cannabinols - Tetrahydrocannabinol (marijuana, hashish)

http://www.acde.org/common/Marijana.htm

Sources and backing Monster? That's not how you debate on the internet!

Albatross wrote:...based on on the fact that your mum has seemingly told you that weed makes you feel a bit 'floaty'. Which is horsegak. Also, smoking pot doesn't make you a heroin addict, so the word 'junkie' is inaccurate in this context.

It does make you tear into pizza boxes and doritos bags, then leaves you lazy enough to leave them all over the place, so maybe he meant 'junky'.


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kenshin620 wrote:Speaking of walking, I do remember reading that MILES PER TRAVELED, its more dangerous to walk drunk than to drive drunk. I wonder how the comparison is for texting

That's because driving is 10-60 times faster than walking, so a distance that takes a few minutes driving can take hours walking, especially if you're weaving around and falling and such. A 20 mile drive is often less than 30 minutes on the road, but walking it would take around a day, plus you'd be sober long before you finished the walk unless you kept drinking as you walked.

thedude wrote:

I see it all of the time in Houston. It's wreckless driving, to be honest. I've also seen people reading books and magazines while driving, unfolding a huge map that covers the steering wheel and parts of the window.

Holy cow, Houston is one of the worst places to drive in America, imo. It reminds me of driving in Mexico in that it is as if most vehicle operators are not aware of the fact there are indeed seperate lanes, and posted speed limits. Not only that, many seem to have an air of ' i dont care if something happens to my car and i assume you feel the same'.

Well you do realize a substantial portion of the drivers in Houston are, in fact, from Mexico (or other Central American country)?

But agreed. I'll take California drivers any day of the week over Houston drivers. Its particularly exhilarating to be moving slowly through a rain squall (back in the time when it rained here) and have a pickup come flying through, as if they are impervious to water. Saw one spin 360 into a ditch doing that.

Wjhats interesting is that, when in Austin, I go berserk if driving. They are so mellow, so slow, I just want to leap out the car, rip their doors off and scream in their faces. "GO FOR THE SWEET LOVE OF BABY JESUS'S COCONUT EATING DINOSAUR JUST ING GO!!!" The Wife generally drives when I am in Austin...



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filbert wrote:

Ouze wrote:

filbert wrote:Once, whilst on holiday in America, I saw a young lady steering her car with her feet whilst applying make-up with her hands.

It's critical skills like these that allowed us to throw off the shackles of our British oppressors. I suppose it was an intimidating sight, that - the raw American exceptionalism that allowed our country to mount the world as a conquered steed, while yours is reduced to slowly whittling away at our economy with your plastic spacemens.

USA! USA! USA!

Something like that. I certainly admired the flexibility demonstrated - I assume she had one foot on or near the pedals and the other shoeless foot was grasping the steering wheel. It definitely demonstrated remarkable agility.

Unless you saw her feet she was probably knee driving.

Frazzled wrote:

Unless you saw her feet she was probably knee driving.

Negatory - her foot and toes were curled around the steering wheel in the manner of a surrogate hand.

Her other leg/foot was nowhere to be seen - I assume it was operating the pedals (unless she was one-legged).

It was one of those double take moments - the kind where you absolutely, positively cannot believe what your eyes are telling you.

MrDwhitey wrote:Sources and backing Monster? That's not how you debate on the internet!

Ah yes, silly me.

'HURRRRR ya it iz."

For those who asked up above about when is an important time to talk on the phone while driving.

Mostly it has to do with work. If we get a phone call from the FAA about a chemical leak or something from DOT on a spill, we HAVE to answer the phone, no matter what. To not answer is a federal offense.

Also, when driving later at night on my way home, and a parent calls, it is usually something bad that can't wait. I would much rather know ASAP that my mom is getting sent to the hospital then find about it the next day because I didn't pick up a phone call.

What, you can't pull over ever?

Of course it's understandable in some cases to pick up the phone and answer it, but you should be making your way to pull over as soon as possible.

sparkywtf wrote:For those who asked up above about when is an important time to talk on the phone while driving.

Mostly it has to do with work. If we get a phone call from the FAA about a chemical leak or something from DOT on a spill, we HAVE to answer the phone, no matter what. To not answer is a federal offense.

Also, when driving later at night on my way home, and a parent calls, it is usually something bad that can't wait. I would much rather know ASAP that my mom is getting sent to the hospital then find about it the next day because I didn't pick up a phone call.

those both sound like reasonable times to talk on the phone while driving. but isnt this about texting?

MrDwhitey wrote:What, you can't pull over ever?

going 80mph in the fast lane isn't exactly the easiest thing to pull over from. But yes, when the call happens (which it hasn't yet for me) pulling over is part of the plan, after answering the phone.

dajobe wrote:those both sound like reasonable times to talk on the phone while driving. but isnt this about texting?

Yes this thread is. But I also mentioned that I will answer the phone while driving. And someone asked if anything is that important to kill someone else. Although I am never distracted while on the phone, I probably pay more attention instead of nodding off in boredom.

Also now, since I use my phone for music while I drive, when I answer it goes into speaker phone mode and uses my cars speakers for the call.

Soladrin wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:nope. I was asking my mom because I was dong a report on the adverse affects on drunk driving, I wanted something totally unbelievable to compare it with, I got it.

(And my mom was a teacher for 6 years, as well as a journalist her whole life, she knows this stuff)

And about it being a hallucinogen? Bullgak.

I am not saying that it is 'alright' to drive whilst stoned. I am saying that if given the choice between being driven by a guy who has been drinking and a man who has been smoking weed, go with the junkie.

Guess I'll step in here.

While weed is somewhat less dangerous then drunk driving, it's still extremely dangerous to do so.

Yep. I equate it to the choice between having either a rottweiler or a wolf attacking your bollocks. Yes, the wolf will feth you up worse, but the other option is still a rottweiler.

And it is hallucinogenic in large doses, but these doses can't be achieved by smoking, that's why space cake was invented.

Amsterdam lol.

If given that choice, you walk.

Agreed.

And Albatross, the word junky can be applied to weed addicts. It's not a physical addiction, I know, but it messes up your brain just as much.

The 'junk' part of the word is a reference to the colloquial term for heroin.

I'm getting English lessons from foreigners and drug advice from home-schooled teenagers!

Frazzled wrote:

thedude wrote:

I see it all of the time in Houston. It's wreckless driving, to be honest. I've also seen people reading books and magazines while driving, unfolding a huge map that covers the steering wheel and parts of the window.

Holy cow, Houston is one of the worst places to drive in America, imo. It reminds me of driving in Mexico in that it is as if most vehicle operators are not aware of the fact there are indeed seperate lanes, and posted speed limits. Not only that, many seem to have an air of ' i dont care if something happens to my car and i assume you feel the same'.

Well you do realize a substantial portion of the drivers in Houston are, in fact, from Mexico (or other Central American country)?

But agreed. I'll take California drivers any day of the week over Houston drivers. Its particularly exhilarating to be moving slowly through a rain squall (back in the time when it rained here) and have a pickup come flying through, as if they are impervious to water. Saw one spin 360 into a ditch doing that.

i wonder if people thought that of me when i was driving in Phoenix during monsoon season, because here on the east coast we get rain all the time so its not hard to drive in. in Phoenix... if it pours everybody starts going 35MPH, the first time this happened i thought there was an accident and then i realized people are not used to driving in the rain.

Plus, if it hasn't rained in a long while, all of the oil and film that has soaked into the concrete seeps out and mixes with the water. This makes it even more dangerous when it first starts to rain.

Just something you have to keep in mind in the South West. (Or anywhere, really).

sparkywtf wrote:For those who asked up above about when is an important time to talk on the phone while driving.

Mostly it has to do with work. If we get a phone call from the FAA about a chemical leak or something from DOT on a spill, we HAVE to answer the phone, no matter what. To not answer is a federal offense.

I don't beleave you. I can see that you would have to answer as soon as humanly possible, i.e. pull over and call back imidiatly, but must answer strait away? I call BS. There are many cases I can think of where you could not answer immediately, so I do not believe you at all.

sparkywtf wrote:
Also, when driving later at night on my way home, and a parent calls, it is usually something bad that can't wait. I would much rather know ASAP that my mom is getting sent to the hospital then find about it the next day because I didn't pick up a phone call.

Again, nothing that cannot wait until you can pull over and call back. You can't do anything about it, but what you can do is kill someone else. Your just being selfish. So what if your mum is getting sent to hospital. How is you knowing that now rather than in the two minuits it takes to pull over more important than the persons life you take not looking where you are going?

When we were taking the class on it (we have to be certified to ship stuff at work, this is IATA training), we were told we had to answer the phone no matter what.

You could be shaking the hands with (pick head of state here) and you still have to answer the phone.

When one of these calls come its not a "oh sorry about bugging you, we just have some questions"

It is more of a "The box you sent is leaking and we need to know 5 minutes ago what it is, what will happen, how to contain, is there any threat, will this blow up the air plain...."

Not answering means your in big trouble with the FAA.

Albatross wrote:

I'm getting English lessons from foreigners and drug advice from home-schooled teenagers!

Actually I work for the biggest legal drug supplier in the country, I have to know this

sparkywtf wrote:When we were taking the class on it (we have to be certified to ship stuff at work, this is IATA training), we were told we had to answer the phone no matter what.

You could be shaking the hands with (pick head of state here) and you still have to answer the phone.

When one of these calls come its not a "oh sorry about bugging you, we just have some questions"

It is more of a "The box you sent is leaking and we need to know 5 minutes ago what it is, what will happen, how to contain, is there any threat, will this blow up the air plain...."

Not answering means your in big trouble with the FAA.

I could see that. There are always exceptions to the rule.

Troy wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:When we were taking the class on it (we have to be certified to ship stuff at work, this is IATA training), we were told we had to answer the phone no matter what.

You could be shaking the hands with (pick head of state here) and you still have to answer the phone.

When one of these calls come its not a "oh sorry about bugging you, we just have some questions"

It is more of a "The box you sent is leaking and we need to know 5 minutes ago what it is, what will happen, how to contain, is there any threat, will this blow up the air plain...."

Not answering means your in big trouble with the FAA.

I could see that. There are always exceptions to the rule.

i believe he was talking to paul

dajobe wrote:

Troy wrote:

sparkywtf wrote:When we were taking the class on it (we have to be certified to ship stuff at work, this is IATA training), we were told we had to answer the phone no matter what.

You could be shaking the hands with (pick head of state here) and you still have to answer the phone.

When one of these calls come its not a "oh sorry about bugging you, we just have some questions"

It is more of a "The box you sent is leaking and we need to know 5 minutes ago what it is, what will happen, how to contain, is there any threat, will this blow up the air plain...."

Not answering means your in big trouble with the FAA.

I could see that. There are always exceptions to the rule.

i believe he was talking to paul

I meant there are excpetions to the rule of pulling over first. Any sort of emergency response personnel for example.

Unless you're actually important enough to need to use a bluetooth phone while driving (Talking on handhelds is illegal in Canada), then you shouldn't answer your damn phone at all until you've pulled into a parking lot somewhere. We have these amazing things called 'call logs' on phones now. They record all incoming and outgoing calls on the phone, so that you don't have to worry about not knowing who called you.

As for people that text while driving, I'd pull you over and shoot you if I could, because you're everything that's wrong with young (mostly U30) drivers today. I sincerely hope that each and every one of you suffers paralysis, either complete or partial at the least, or outright death in a head on with a semi truck. It's annoying enough when I see people stopped at green lights because they were texting instead of watching the ****ing road. But to see people swerving and drifting around busy city streets, nearly running over peds or hitting other vehicles because they're too goddamn stupid to figure out what 'priorities' are... I hope anyone that's so irresponsible, self-centered, and careless as to do something that stupid will be fortunate enough to recieve a driver's side T-bone from a bus, semi, tank, or other large 'lol ur ded' vehicle. Let's see you text when you can't move your limbs, huh?

metallifan wrote:Unless you're actually important enough to need to use a bluetooth phone while driving (Talking on handhelds is illegal in Canada), then you shouldn't answer your damn phone at all until you've pulled into a parking lot somewhere. We have these amazing things called 'call logs' on phones now. They record all incoming and outgoing calls on the phone, so that you don't have to worry about not knowing who called you.

As for people that text while driving, I'd pull you over and shoot you if I could, because you're everything that's wrong with young (mostly U30) drivers today. I sincerely hope that each and every one of you suffers paralysis, either complete or partial at the least, or outright death in a head on with a semi truck. It's annoying enough when I see people stopped at green lights because they were texting instead of watching the ****ing road. But to see people swerving and drifting around busy city streets, nearly running over peds or hitting other vehicles because they're too goddamn stupid to figure out what 'priorities' are... I hope anyone that's so irresponsible, self-centered, and careless as to do something that stupid will be fortunate enough to recieve a driver's side T-bone from a bus, semi, tank, or other large 'lol ur ded' vehicle. Let's see you text when you can't move your limbs, huh?

Angry much?

Not doubting the fact that you are told/trained to answer the phone no matter what. All I'm gonna say is you can happily tell that to the police when they pull you over because I'm sure they'll give a damn. Of course, judging what what you said earlier, the likely hood of that happening is so unlikely that I doubt it would be a problem anyway

You know, I was at the DMV fairly recently renewing my license, and I saw a good PSA. At least, I thought it was.

Most people I see driving with a phone stuck to their ear are either in a van or a flash car.
1. It's been illegal here to use a handset while driving for years.
2. I have seen bluetooth headsets selling for 12 quid ($15?)! If they can afford an expensive car, or can get it on tax-deductable expenses, what's their excuse?

Texting, people know they shouldn't do it, and hold it under the wheel, out of site.
This means they need to look down further to see the phone, and everyone knows they're doing it.

At worst, I hold the handset to the wheel and put it on loudspeaker. If I need to, I can drop it and still keep ahold of the wheel.
It is far more distracting than the radio though, so I only answer if I know who's calling, and why.

HellsGuardian316 wrote:Not doubting the fact that you are told/trained to answer the phone no matter what. All I'm gonna say is you can happily tell that to the police when they pull you over because I'm sure they'll give a damn. Of course, judging what what you said earlier, the likely hood of that happening is so unlikely that I doubt it would be a problem anyway

Although it shouldn't be likely, I would still rather get in trouble with the local/state police than with the feds. It is a pretty hefty fine from them.

I did learn the FAA carries guns. Yet we can't take them on airplanes. Talk about fun suckers.

CT GAMER wrote:

metallifan wrote:Unless you're actually important enough to need to use a bluetooth phone while driving (Talking on handhelds is illegal in Canada), then you shouldn't answer your damn phone at all until you've pulled into a parking lot somewhere. We have these amazing things called 'call logs' on phones now. They record all incoming and outgoing calls on the phone, so that you don't have to worry about not knowing who called you.

As for people that text while driving, I'd pull you over and shoot you if I could, because you're everything that's wrong with young (mostly U30) drivers today. I sincerely hope that each and every one of you suffers paralysis, either complete or partial at the least, or outright death in a head on with a semi truck. It's annoying enough when I see people stopped at green lights because they were texting instead of watching the ****ing road. But to see people swerving and drifting around busy city streets, nearly running over peds or hitting other vehicles because they're too goddamn stupid to figure out what 'priorities' are... I hope anyone that's so irresponsible, self-centered, and careless as to do something that stupid will be fortunate enough to recieve a driver's side T-bone from a bus, semi, tank, or other large 'lol ur ded' vehicle. Let's see you text when you can't move your limbs, huh?

Angry much?

I think that sociopaths endangering the lives of the people around them is a pretty reasonable thing to be angry about.

Skinnereal wrote:I have seen bluetooth headsets selling for 12 quid ($15?)! If they can afford an expensive car, or can get it on tax-deductable expenses, what's their excuse?

They make you look like a prick. Seriously.

Although people driving around in expensive cars probably aren't worried about that.

Monster Rain wrote:
I think that sociopaths endangering the lives of the people around them is a pretty reasonable thing to be angry about.

Sociopaths don't generally have friends, at least not any they would acknowledge as such.

By "people around them" I was referring more to other folks on the road.

Monster Rain wrote:By "people around them" I was referring more to other folks on the road.

I know, I was hinting at the idea that sociopaths wouldn't be taking many phone calls.

dogma wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:By "people around them" I was referring more to other folks on the road.

I know, I was hinting at the idea that sociopaths wouldn't be taking many phone calls.

Unless it's 'the voices' calling them...

"The Leprichaun tells me to burn things!"

Derp!

Not from friends, maybe. You see a lot of people that are constantly on the phone for work and whatnot though.

That explains why people call me.

I'm sad now.

Meh. Talking on the phone is still dumb, but at least you're watching the road for the most part. I still don't agree with it, but at least it's smarter than driving a car while LOOKING AT A ****ING PHONE SCREEN

dogma wrote:That explains why people call me.

I'm sad now.

You're always got me and FITZZ, your faithful and weasely toadies.

Or was it lackeys? The Grover Dill to your Scut Farkas.

metallifan wrote:Meh. Talking on the phone is still dumb, but at least you're watching the road for the most part.

Especially with a bluetooth. I don't see much difference between this and talking to a passenger in the car with you.

Like it or not, looking at things other than the road is necessary some times.

Phones.
Maps.
Directions.
Etc.

I don't think that its necessarily the distractions, its the people who cannot multitask while driving. Some people are simply not capable of doing anything else while driving. And unfortunately (or fortunately) there are more and more laws forcing everyone to stoop to the level of those who cant do something.

Monster Rain wrote:

metallifan wrote:Meh. Talking on the phone is still dumb, but at least you're watching the road for the most part.

Especially with a bluetooth. I don't see much difference between this and talking to a passenger in the car with you.

Studies have shown that even talking on a Bluetooth has a significant impact on your driving. It's not as bad as holding the phone, or texting. But, it's still much worse than talking to a passenger.

This is mainly because a passenger is also aware of the situation you're driving in. So, if things get a little scary or something jumps out at you, the passenger is yelling out a warning and not still listing things to get from the store.

Grakmar wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

metallifan wrote:Meh. Talking on the phone is still dumb, but at least you're watching the road for the most part.

Especially with a bluetooth. I don't see much difference between this and talking to a passenger in the car with you.

Studies have shown that even talking on a Bluetooth has a significant impact on your driving. It's not as bad as holding the phone, or texting.

Oh sure, that's all I was saying. The lesser of three evils.

Grakmar wrote:But, it's still much worse than talking to a passenger.

This is mainly because a passenger is also aware of the situation you're driving in. So, if things get a little scary or something jumps out at you, the passenger is yelling out a warning and not still listing things to get from the store.

That's a pretty good point.

Texting/phoning while driving pisses me off.

Ouze wrote:You know, I was at the DMV fairly recently renewing my license, and I saw a good PSA. At least, I thought it was.

Thats actually the commercial I was watching that prompted me to make this thread...

The remix is also pretty good. Perhaps less effective as a PSA though.

I thought this was quite thought provoking

Ouze wrote:The remix is also pretty good. Perhaps less effective as a PSA though.

Yeah, I agree. I was laughing and not paying attention to the gravity of the situation at all.

I found it funnier that if you pause it at the right moment, you still get the "Yeah"

Monster Rain wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

metallifan wrote:Unless you're actually important enough to need to use a bluetooth phone while driving (Talking on handhelds is illegal in Canada), then you shouldn't answer your damn phone at all until you've pulled into a parking lot somewhere. We have these amazing things called 'call logs' on phones now. They record all incoming and outgoing calls on the phone, so that you don't have to worry about not knowing who called you.

As for people that text while driving, I'd pull you over and shoot you if I could, because you're everything that's wrong with young (mostly U30) drivers today. I sincerely hope that each and every one of you suffers paralysis, either complete or partial at the least, or outright death in a head on with a semi truck. It's annoying enough when I see people stopped at green lights because they were texting instead of watching the ****ing road. But to see people swerving and drifting around busy city streets, nearly running over peds or hitting other vehicles because they're too goddamn stupid to figure out what 'priorities' are... I hope anyone that's so irresponsible, self-centered, and careless as to do something that stupid will be fortunate enough to recieve a driver's side T-bone from a bus, semi, tank, or other large 'lol ur ded' vehicle. Let's see you text when you can't move your limbs, huh?

Angry much?

I think that sociopaths endangering the lives of the people around them is a pretty reasonable thing to be angry about.

Agreed.

However Being angry and wishing death on people are not the same. In fact one of them is rather sociopathic...

I guess I just have a gift for sorting through hyperbole to just get to the actual point of a post.

I don't think anyone is being put in danger by metallifan's statements.

Monster Rain wrote:I guess I just have a gift for sorting through hyperbole to just get to the actual point of a post.

It is good we have a white night such as yourself (with the gift for sorting through hyerbole no less) to save the day...

How did I save the day, exactly?

By riding a wave of such bluntness, those who were once willing to defy Justice, Peace and Love were forced fleeing from the thread.

Or just by firing rainbows out of various orifices.

MrDwhitey wrote:

Or just by firing out of various orifices.

I agree.

You changed the quote.

MrDwhitey wrote:By riding a wave of such bluntness, those who were once willing to defy Justice, Peace and Love were forced fleeing from the thread.

But I'm still here.

That's because, you sir, are a rebel.

With or without a cause?

While I don't agree with the whole texting while driving thing, I find it quite funny when someone is texting while driving their stick-shift, then looks up at the last minute, slamming on their brakes, but unable to downshift cause they have their phone in their hands. Transmissions make the best sounds when they fall off someone's car.

These people clearly never mastered the art of knee driving.

Can you teach us, sensei?

Your phone is held in the left hand, the right hands shifts, easy enough. The great trial is that your left foot must clutch, and your right foot must brake/accelerate while your knees remain in contact with the steering wheel. One must take advantage of the human ankle with great judiciousness.

This cannot be taught, it must be learned.