After looking at the largest fortress thread, a thought popped into my head. What is the biggest/most powerful gun/orbital cannon/etc. in the galaxy? Can be Imperial, Chaos, Squat, etc.

Note: Unless there is literally canon that says "Emperors roundhouse kick is most powerful in the universe," I dont expect a real final answer. Just want people's thoughts.

The Planetkiller.

CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT.
/win... actually /CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT if i'm being honest.

The ship that is powered by a measure of the Nightbringer's power, powerful enough to make Star Systems disappear.

Behind that is probably a Talisman of Vaul/Blackstone Fortress.

The World Engne is pretty powerful too, and is possibly the biggest, being the size of a planet.

Cyclonic Torpedos.
They break PLANETS.

Necron World Engines. Planet Killer on steroids.

the strongest weapon is the blackstone fortress. The blackstone fires beams of pure warp energy able to destory anything. The planetkiller is a attempt by chaos to replicate the power of the blackstone and the planet killer is only a small fraction the power of a black stone.

Since their are only 2-3 left in existance they are the most powerful and sort after weapons because it takes thousands of years to reproduce a far less powerful copy( planet killer), they can destory anything in realspace i.e the only things that can kill a C'tan and are the only weapon left behind by the old ones.

While necrons have powerful weapons i.e World engines and the C'tan are one of the most poweful creatures in real space they still are a shadow of ther formour selves i.e old nightbringer before his weapons was lost in the warp and of course the necrons of the void dragon.

The old ones had tec far beyond what the necrotyer but one reason they lost the war was because even tho the old ones weapons were way more powerful, they were developed to late in the war.

thermatic wrote:The old ones had tec far beyond what the necrotyer but one reason they lost the war was because even tho the old ones weapons were way more powerful, they were developed to late in the war.

No, the Necrontyr had better technology than the Old Ones, the reason the Old Ones were defeating the Necrontyr before the discovery of the C'tan is because they had access to the Webway, and were massively powerful psychically.

The reason the Old Ones lost the war is because they simply could not handle the C'tan's supremacy in the Materium.

A very very very angry primarch

I remember reading in the last Soul Drinker's novel, Hell Forged, there was a Necron ship that ripped out the core of a star... so yeah, that big old scary thing

so yea, its pretty much the Nercons tech now, unless you can FIND a blackstone fortress.

I would argue though, for consideration, perhaps maybe the genestealers are the greatest weapon. hear me out here:

they are, in effect, the most efficiant means of biological warfare, they have infested MULTIPLE galaxies (as the Nids come from not of our galaxy to begin with)

they adapt and obsorb genus in order to create better more effective weapons for the nids AND create legions of mixed bred "humans" for infiltration.

so there, I humbly nominate the Genestealers as the most powerful weapon.

My dog.

This one time my dog hit the table and a whole city filled with 2 armies was destroyed.

And that's just a fraction of his power.

Human will...

The average human isn't particularly brave nor does he possess strong will.

Orky will is undeniably stronger, since it actually bends reality to accomodate it.

Would argue Eldar are far braver and possess stronger will, they are closer to extinction than Humanity is, and continue to dwindle, but refuse to give in.

As of now, the most powerful technology is within Nercron and Eldar hands.... we still don't know fully what the Nercrons are capable of doing so I guess we can't really say anything certain about the most powerful weapon....


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As of now, the most powerful technology is within Nercron and Eldar hands.... we still don't know fully what the Nercrons are capable of doing so I guess we can't really say anything certain about the most powerful weapon....

Let su see last 10.000 years...
Humanity survives trough the sheer will of their race...
Nuff said...

Diesel Stradin wrote:As of now, the most powerful technology is within Nercron and Eldar hands.... we still don't know fully what the Nercrons are capable of doing so I guess we can't really say anything certain about the most powerful weapon....

Probably the most powerful technology we have seen from the Necrons is Iori Delta Tove, a planet-sized Necron vessel that was dormant, traveling between stars. Wherever it went, memories of the population of nearby worlds were altered, ancient historical writings were changed, and the orbit of entire planets was shifted, the GK codex attributing this to the device subtly rewriting history.

Oh, and of course being able to create Necrodermis bodies capable of containing a C'tan.


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Brother Coa wrote:Let su see last 10.000 years...
Humanity survives trough the sheer will of their race...
Nuff said...

Eldar have been surviving much longer, including those last 10,000 years.

Humanity survives because it is so numerous, for the most part.

A Hive mind psionic lance

In my opinion, the Hive Mind is the most powerful weapon. You see the diagrams in various Codexes, huge tendrils of Tyranids sweeping the galaxy, slowly heading for Terra. It seems that while determined resistance can stem the flow, there appears to be no end to their onslaught, due to their origin being outside the Milky Way. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Hive Mind already.

Valkyrie wrote:In my opinion, the Hive Mind is the most powerful weapon. You see the diagrams in various Codexes, huge tendrils of Tyranids sweeping the galaxy, slowly heading for Terra. It seems that while determined resistance can stem the flow, there appears to be no end to their onslaught, due to their origin being outside the Milky Way. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Hive Mind already.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark and say no one mentioned the Hive Mind because the Hive Mind isn't a weapon.

Eldar just have luck ( they after all get all the tech from the Old Ones ) and now they are so arrogant they would rather die out then work with Humans to fight Chaos.

And it's not only numbers that helped Humans. Resolve, technology, faith and stubbornness all help us to survive... and of all things it is our faith and spirit that kept us going.

Brother Coa wrote:Eldar just have luck ( they after all get all the tech from the Old Ones ) and now they are so arrogant they would rather die out then work with Humans to fight Chaos.

And it's not only numbers that helped Humans. Resolve, technology, faith and stubbornness all help us to survive... and of all things it is our faith and spirit that kept us going.

You are by far the funniest person on this sight.

The Eldar are so arrogant they would rather die than work with Humanity to fight Chaos? The Eldar have tried to do so and have done so, and the reason they dismiss Humanity is because of their shameless xenophobia and horrible foreign policy.

All of that would mean nothing if they were not so numerous.

Blackstone Fortresses are the most destructive weapon we've actually seen in universe.

Given that the Necrons supposedly superior technology in the old war, they might have something better, but it hasn't shown up in any works yet.

Not quite nothing...Space Marines don't have numbers and they still get impossible things done. Other factions of Man to. And when Warp Storms get us to the edge of extinction, Mankind still survive ( the Emperor only united part of it, many colonies are still lost out there... ).

And Eldar don't trust Mankind because we "betray them" at the start of Heresy. And that is because idiot Eldrad go to Fulgrim to warn him about Horus betrayal not knowing this one already fallen. And after Fulgrim slaughtered his Eldar in the name of Mankind Eldar saw Humans as nothing more than mere savages.

And to this day they still believe it was we who attacked them, how intelligent for a race that can see future and that is the "smartest" in the universe...

A massive dakka cannon. Dakka dakka dakka dakka dakka. / mod cannon

The massed ranks of a billion billion lasguns!

Brother Coa wrote:Not quite nothing...Space Marines don't have numbers and they still get impossible things done. Other factions of Man to. And when Warp Storms get us to the edge of extinction, Mankind still survive ( the Emperor only united part of it, many colonies are still lost out there... ).

And Eldar don't trust Mankind because we "betray them" at the start of Heresy. And that is because idiot Eldrad go to Fulgrim to warn him about Horus betrayal not knowing this one already fallen. And after Fulgrim slaughtered his Eldar in the name of Mankind Eldar saw Humans as nothing more than mere savages.

And to this day they still believe it was we who attacked them, how intelligent for a race that can see future and that is the "smartest" in the universe...

Space Marines wouldn't mean gak if they did not have legions upon legions of guards to serve as the Emperor's hammer. Mankind is not inherently superior to the other races, which you seem to believe.

No... It's because they are relentlessly xenophobic. I have read Fulgrim, that wasn't the first contact the Eldar had with the Imperium. Eldrad even basically said that normally they wouldn't try to be so diplomatic because usually humans are typically unwilling to sit down and play nice with them, but chose to try because Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children were actually sparing Maiden Worlds because of their "beauty," seeing an appreciation for nature or some stupid crap that he hadn't come to expect in Mankind.

Also, why is Eldrad an idiot? Because he's not omniscient? Chaos was deliberately obscuring his vision so that they could cause the Heresy... How was he supposed to know Fulgrim possessed a Daemonsword? And why do you seem to view them viewing humanity as savages after the Marines slaughtered them during a peaceful diplomatic talk as unjustified?

Only they did attack them. Fulgrim had fallen, but the Marines did not, and the Eldar also realised something else, that humanity knew not of Chaos yet still used the Warp indiscrimately. Which is kind of stupid.

But that's enough of this, we are drifting far off topic.

Valkyrie wrote:In my opinion, the Hive Mind is the most powerful weapon. You see the diagrams in various Codexes, huge tendrils of Tyranids sweeping the galaxy, slowly heading for Terra. It seems that while determined resistance can stem the flow, there appears to be no end to their onslaught, due to their origin being outside the Milky Way. I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the Hive Mind already.

umm... I did....right before you....

I honestly think the galaxies greatest threat is from the Necrons not the Tyranids. So Im going to have to say that big planet killing hulk that creates Necrodermis that the Necrons have.

The Warp and the Daemons that control it.

The Banhammer.

The editors red pen.

It doesn't see much use, but when it does come out it rewrites 20+ years of fluff in seconds, leaving nothing but pointless, often biased pap in it's place..

Never actually knew what the Blackstone fortresses did, thought they were supposed to function like the Halo rings or something like that.

Also, not that I dont like the answers some of you gave (Hive Mind, genestealers, etc.), but I was looking for the most powerful...weapon system. I guess thats the best I can describe. Although the Blackstones seem to be leading right now anyway. Imperium needs to get off its throne and make more dakka

love.

Tzeentch's staff. Reforged. In his hands..claws...tentacles...whatever.

A main character's plot weapon armed with special plot ammo, kills anything...

But seriously, I would go Blackstone fortresses

Spartan 117 wrote:I honestly think the galaxies greatest threat is from the Necrons not the Tyranids. So Im going to have to say that big planet killing hulk that creates Necrodermis that the Necrons have.

You missed the Chaos. While Tyranids or Necrons spare some planets and allow the life to continue Chaos will take all galaxy in Warp and life as we know it will cease to exist.

The most powerful weapon?

The utter and unshakable faith in the Emperor!!!!! Die filthy xenos!!!!!!


No, really.

Fanatic-o's

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Comes with a free plastic Primarch in every box !!

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A Vortex Grenade

Ignoring the World Engine because that only existed so that the Space Marines could blow it up, I'd say that the Blackstone fortresses are the strongest. I think there's some fluff about some (three?) of them combining their weapon strength to blow up a star during the 13th Black Crusade. So unless the Outsider's Dyson sphere has someting funky on it, I'd say they win.

Plus if you accept that the Blackstones are the legendary Swords of Vaul, then Eldar myth would indicate that they're capable of going toe to toe with anything the Necrons can throw at them. Though that could be due to their ability to combine their power and the fact that back in the day there were 99 (?) of them.

Void__Dragon wrote:
The reason the Old Ones lost the war is because they simply could not handle the C'tan's supremacy in the Materium.

No, the reason the Old Ones lost the war is that they owned the C'tan so hard that they messed up the warp, creating the Enslavers who promptly skipped into realspace and messed up stuff. Most of the life the C'tan wanted to harvest was destroyed, so they went into hibernation and waited until the galaxy had recovered, i.e. "now" in 40k's timeline.

Raulmichile wrote:The most powerful weapon?

The utter and unshakable faith in the Emperor!!!!! Die filthy xenos!!!!!!


No, really.

Now that you mention it, I'd say that the Emperor himself is a weapon, forged from the souls of all the psykers who joined together to create him. He's pretty damn powerful too...

EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Erm, the Old Ones were pretty much defeated until they started using the Warp as a weapon, creating Warp sensitive beings to fight them. THEN the Enslaver Plague began. Before that they were dominated to the point of ridiculousness

The humble lasgun of Ollanius Pius.

daveNYC wrote:Ignoring the World Engine because that only existed so that the Space Marines could blow it up, I'd say that the Blackstone fortresses are the strongest. I think there's some fluff about some (three?) of them combining their weapon strength to blow up a star during the 13th Black Crusade. So unless the Outsider's Dyson sphere has someting funky on it, I'd say they win.

Plus if you accept that the Blackstones are the legendary Swords of Vaul, then Eldar myth would indicate that they're capable of going toe to toe with anything the Necrons can throw at them. Though that could be due to their ability to combine their power and the fact that back in the day there were 99 (?) of them.

By the 13th Black Crusade, there were only 2 (known) left, and now they're pretty sure that one was destroyed by Necrons and the other is more or less controlled (if not possessed) by Slaanesh who more or less used it to nom nom on Eldrad's soul.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:My dog.

This one time my dog hit the table and a whole city filled with 2 armies was destroyed.

And that's just a fraction of his power.

Indeed. The might of a chuhuahua is enough to make even Imper Ator titans tremble in fear.

That would be the legendary Primarch Cannon. Forged at the Dawn of the Imperium of Man, the weapon was so dangerous that the organic munnitions componant had to be scattered throughout the galaxy until each matured and was ready for use. According to legend, the Primarch Cannon was only used twice, and the effects were so devisatating that the battles they were used in and the enemies they destroyed were never spoken of again.

A sever weapon malfunction corrupted a number of the organic componanents for the munitions, which originally numbered only twenty, so devastating was the weapon. The malfuction produced an instability that nearly ripped appart Terra and the Imperium. The effects of the malfunction are still felt across the galaxy to this day. Now only a few precious pieces of munition remain, hidden in stasis in darkened temples in the hopes that, should the need arise, the weapon will still be able to fire.




Or the Blackstone Fortresses, although to be honest, it seems like the ability to destroy planets is pretty common in 40k sometimes, and other times, not so much, so it is hard to tell when the next plot device will be the new, long lost, most powerful weapon in creation.

The Blackstone Fortress, short of that the World Engine.

Also, The Emperor.

Plasma pistol. I've seen more Space Marines die to a plasma pistol over-heating than anything else...

A boltgun. That shoots lasers. That's mounted to the Golden Throne. Which is situated upon a Unicorn. And the Unicorn's horn's made of win.

chaoslooksgood wrote:EXTERMINATUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It took volleys and volleys of Exterminatus class torpedoes to kill a shieldless world engine.

I'd say The World Engine(s) and Blackstones are prolly about as bad as shizz gets in weaponry. I'd laff if the Necrons have more World Engines.. so rigged.




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Leonus Cohol wrote:Cyclonic Torpedos.
They break PLANETS.

Yet it took countless volleys to bring the world engine down AFTER its shield went down to a suicide battle barge attack.

Necron Tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IoM Tech

Matt Ward...

He destroyed the Chaos Space Marines... single handed.

geordie09 wrote:Matt Ward...

He destroyed the Chaos Space Marines... single handed.

And Grey Knights, and Ultramarines, and Blood Angels - with his pen.

The imperial warmachine...

Faith.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:No, the reason the Old Ones lost the war is that they owned the C'tan so hard that they messed up the warp, creating the Enslavers who promptly skipped into realspace and messed up stuff. Most of the life the C'tan wanted to harvest was destroyed, so they went into hibernation and waited until the galaxy had recovered, i.e. "now" in 40k's timeline.

Um, you're wrong?

"The Old Ones' mastery of the Warp was countered by the C'tan's utter supremacy in the material universe, and the enemies of the Necrons suffered greatly in the slaughter which followed."
- Necron codex, page 25

"The C'tan now dominated the galaxy. The last bastions of the Old Ones were besieged and the races they had nurtured became cattle for the obscene hunger of the C'tan."
- Also page 25

The Old Ones were able to make one last offensive against the C'tan, and this was after their empire was fractured and they had just gotten done eating eachother. Then the Enslavers came.

Or in short, read the codex again

The Old Ones did at one point beat the Necrontyr back into a relatively small part of space, but the old ones and their creations were the ones that eventually got owned so hard it made the warp a dangerous place, as they were desperately using all the psychic mojo they could to fight back. If they'd laid off the offensive psykerness the Enslaver Plague probably wouldn't have happened

Ascalam wrote:Or in short, read the codex again

The Old Ones did at one point beat the Necrontyr back into a relatively small part of space, but the old ones and their creations were the ones that eventually got owned so hard it made the warp a dangerous place, as they were desperately using all the psychic mojo they could to fight back. If they'd laid off the offensive psykerness the Enslaver Plague probably wouldn't have happened

Are you talking about the first war between the Necrons and the Old Ones? Because they were garbage before the C'Tan rolled up and gave em god mode.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Or in short, read the codex again

The Old Ones did at one point beat the Necrontyr back into a relatively small part of space, but the old ones and their creations were the ones that eventually got owned so hard it made the warp a dangerous place, as they were desperately using all the psychic mojo they could to fight back. If they'd laid off the offensive psykerness the Enslaver Plague probably wouldn't have happened

Are you talking about the first war between the Necrons and the Old Ones? Because they were garbage before the C'Tan rolled up and gave em god mode.

Nope, enslaver plague is what really killed the old ones, and drove off the C'tan.

Psykers are some of the most powerful living weapons as they can open portals to the warp and the emperor protects humanity and the old one were killed off by a warp virus and they created races like the eldar to fight for them

kavyaanshrike wrote:Psykers are some of the most powerful living weapons as they can open portals to the warp and the emperor protects humanity and the old one were killed off by a warp virus and they created races like the eldar to fight for them

That made absolutely no sense....

Hardly garbage.

Necrontyr tech was superior, but they were outmaneuvered due to the webway, which they couldn't access.

They fought terrible, long and bloody wars before being beaten back to the point that they were pretty much an irritation. At the end of the wars they were a bit naff, yes (losers of a war generally are ), but fighting the Old Ones enough to fill a library with accounts of the battles would indicate that they were close to on par (and outmaneuvered) not curbstomped.

If they were too much weaker than the Old Ones then they would have lost immediately, or just been ignored by the Old Ones.


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kavyaanshrike wrote:Psykers are some of the most powerful living weapons as they can open portals to the warp and the emperor protects humanity and the old one were killed off by a warp virus and they created races like the eldar to fight for them

1/. They can open portals to the Warp, but it's an amazingly bad idea.

2/. He does, but then he's not a standard psyker. He's a god wannabe that didn't want to be

3/. The Old ones did indeed create the eldar and other races, such as Humanity (arguably) and the Orks, Rashan and K'nib. They created races with more and more connection to the warp, more psychic power, as a desperate bit to win the war against the Necrons, who were by that point dominating the galaxy. The psychic races were effective against the necrons, but the concentration of psykers turned the Warp nasty.

The Enslaver plague was not a virus. Enslavers are warp entities (think Daemons) who could possess psykers and turn them into gates to enter the universe. They overran the Old One strongholds and started killing EVERYTHING. The Ctan went into hibernation, and took their Necrons with them, as the Enslavers looked likely to kill of the 'cattle' the Ctan fed on entirely (other races).

Ascalam wrote:Hardly garbage.

Necrontyr tech was superior, but they were outmaneuvered due to the webway, which they couldn't access.

They fought terrible, long and bloody wars before being beaten back to the point that they were pretty much an irritation. At the end of the wars they were a bit naff, yes (losers of a war generally are ), but fighting the Old Ones enough to fill a library with accounts of the battles would indicate that they were close to on par (and outmaneuvered) not curbstomped.

If they were too much weaker than the Old Ones then they would have lost immediately, or just been ignored by the Old Ones.


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kavyaanshrike wrote:Psykers are some of the most powerful living weapons as they can open portals to the warp and the emperor protects humanity and the old one were killed off by a warp virus and they created races like the eldar to fight for them

1/. They can open portals to the Warp, but it's an amazingly bad idea.

2/. He does, but then he's not a standard psyker. He's a god wannabe that didn't want to be

3/. The Old ones did indeed create the eldar and other races, such as Humanity (arguably) and the Orks, Rashan and K'nib. They created races with more and more connection to the warp, more psychic power, as a desperate bit to win the war against the Necrons, who were by that point dominating the galaxy. The psychic races were effective against the necrons, but the concentration of psykers turned the Warp nasty.

The Enslaver plague was not a virus. Enslavers are warp entities (think Daemons) who could possess psykers and turn them into gates to enter the universe. They overran the Old One strongholds and started killing EVERYTHING. The Ctan went into hibernation, and took their Necrons with them, as the Enslavers looked likely to kill of the 'cattle' the Ctan fed on entirely (other races).

Pre-C'tan they were just a really angry mortal race at war.... Post-C'tan they were Terminators capable of fighting with nigh infinite numbers, due to being slipped into new armor once they died. They became unreal soldiers, that had there technological levels bolstered to insane levels. The wars they waged became one giant culling called a red harvest.


So I think Pre-C'tan they were a race more akin to the Tau with the Post-C'tan meeting making them Tau on roid rage for tech levels.

Actually pre-ctan the Necrotyr were still more advaced than the Old Ones, tech-wise. It's in the codex.

Post Ctan they also had gods on their side and metal bodies, but their tech didn't advance too much further, from what i can tell.

Ascalam wrote:Actually pre-ctan the Necrotyr were still more advaced than the Old Ones, tech-wise. It's in the codex.

Post Ctan they also had gods on their side and metal bodies, but their tech didn't advance too much further, from what i can tell.

Except suddenly they had FTL travel, phase tech, and teleportation which allowed them to counter and over power the Old Ones' use of the Warp. That itself is a massive technological jump.

Who's to say that they didn't have them before the Ctan showed up? They had millenia to research before they got the Ctan awakened.

If you allow BL as canon they had phase tech before the Ctan. They may well have had teleportations and FTL travel beforehand also. I don't think it says in the fluff anywhere that the Ctan gave them these tech upgrades.

I don't think there is anything saying that they didn't either, as Necron fluff is a bit sparse right now

Im gonna have to put in my vote for a bunch of 40k gamers all in a small room for a long tournament in the middle of summer in florida. Eye watering, rotten onion and dirty undershorts BO. We are talking high alert here. Nothing out there can match that.

Free Speech. Boom, keepeeeeeer.

sennacherib wrote:Im gonna have to put in my vote for a bunch of 40k gamers all in a small room for a long tournament in the middle of summer in florida. Eye watering, rotten onion and dirty undershorts BO. We are talking high alert here. Nothing out there can match that.

QFT - Gamer Chemcannon BO is pretty potent

Virus bomb, when it hits, it won't stop till everything is dead.

Yeah, works a treat on Necrons, anything nurgle, anything with a sealed cab ...

Orks are the most powerful thing in the galaxy. As soon as a few of them get on a planet you are never gonna get rid of them cause of the spores. plus they can make any weapon or machine work just by thinking it should work how many races can do that. And if there ever was a warlord able to unite all of the orks they would wipe out everything in their path the only reason they haven't is it's just too much fun to fight and they get distracted easily. Other than that I would say those star fort things that were made to kill C'tan or vortex missiles which detonate into black holes.

Ascalam wrote:Who's to say that they didn't have them before the Ctan showed up? They had millenia to research before they got the Ctan awakened.

The Necrontyr interplanetary travel is only described as (if I recall correctly) using slow-burning candle ships with the crew in stasis (almost certainly not faster-than-light, or at least not to the extent the Necrons now have). They were also outmaneuvered due to the Old Ones using the Webway, which wouldn't be a considerable advantage if the Necrontyr had the current technology of the Necrons. I'd say that it's heavily hinted, although not outright said, that the C'tan managed to grant the Necrontyr a technology boost, either directly or indirectly.

Chuck Norris!


No,seriously,the Blackstone Fortress.

That's when they started exploring. Slow burning torch-ships and stasis crypts.

I was referring to the time during and after the war with the old ones, where they had millenia to improve their tech base, which was already better than that of the Old Ones to start with. If they were smart, and they were, they wouldn't re-attack immediately after making some tech didscovery or advance, but would build up fleets and improve them as they went along, waiting until they thought that they could crush the Old Ones. The Ctan were the point where they decided that they could, but their already impressive technical knowledge wouldn't have stood still for thousands of years while they looked for something better to destroy the Old Ones with.

The fluff isn't specific as to where they got the tech from. The breakthrough that allowed them to translate the Ctan from incorporeal to corporeal (inside a shell) could also have been the one they needed to manage true FTL etc.

EXTERMINATUS!!!

Teh Emprah is the strongest and more powerful weapon in the 40k galaxy.

Seem to recall the Eldar have weapons of last resort hidden in the webway/black library that can destroy the galaxy. That would probably be the most powerful weapon.

Wish i could remember where i read it but i think it may have had something to do with removing the the barrier between the warp and real-space.

The craftworlds can destroy planets. They did it to prevent the tyranids resources.

Ascalam wrote:That's when they started exploring. Slow burning torch-ships and stasis crypts.

I was referring to the time during and after the war with the old ones, where they had millenia to improve their tech base, which was already better than that of the Old Ones to start with. If they were smart, and they were, they wouldn't re-attack immediately after making some tech didscovery or advance, but would build up fleets and improve them as they went along, waiting until they thought that they could crush the Old Ones. The Ctan were the point where they decided that they could, but their already impressive technical knowledge wouldn't have stood still for thousands of years while they looked for something better to destroy the Old Ones with.

The fluff isn't specific as to where they got the tech from. The breakthrough that allowed them to translate the Ctan from incorporeal to corporeal (inside a shell) could also have been the one they needed to manage true FTL etc.

No, before they had the Ctans on their side they were a lot less technically advanced than the Old Ones. One of the reasons they were pissed at the Old Ones in the first place was that they lived on a next to uninhabitable planet. If they had FTL travel then whey wouldnt they just leave the craphole they called home planet?

Ego.

The main imperium character in a black library novel.

Matt Ward.


or Matt Ward's fluff regarding the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT.

tedurur wrote:

Ascalam wrote:That's when they started exploring. Slow burning torch-ships and stasis crypts.

I was referring to the time during and after the war with the old ones, where they had millenia to improve their tech base, which was already better than that of the Old Ones to start with. If they were smart, and they were, they wouldn't re-attack immediately after making some tech didscovery or advance, but would build up fleets and improve them as they went along, waiting until they thought that they could crush the Old Ones. The Ctan were the point where they decided that they could, but their already impressive technical knowledge wouldn't have stood still for thousands of years while they looked for something better to destroy the Old Ones with.

The fluff isn't specific as to where they got the tech from. The breakthrough that allowed them to translate the Ctan from incorporeal to corporeal (inside a shell) could also have been the one they needed to manage true FTL etc.

No, before they had the Ctans on their side they were a lot less technically advanced than the Old Ones. One of the reasons they were pissed at the Old Ones in the first place was that they lived on a next to uninhabitable planet. If they had FTL travel then whey wouldnt they just leave the craphole they called home planet?

Did you ever actually read the codex or are you just skimming lexicanum or something?

By the time the Old Ones and the Necrontyr were at war they had long since moved beyond that planet. They held a grudge because their race was short lived and the Old Ones were near immortal, not because their yard was less lush

It says in the codex that Necron tech was superior to Old One tech, but the Old Ones had the webway, which they used to outmaneuver them (and massive Psyker mojo that the necrontyr lacked). I'd quote, if i had the dex on me (and will if need be when i get home from work).

They were beaten back to a smallish part of space and left alone for millenia, when they already has an impressive tech base. They likely developed FTL at that point, not the moment they achieved spaceflight It took them a very long time to figure out how to talk to the Ctan and to bottle them into a bodysuit. Science doesn't stand still for millenia.

I'm not saying (as you would have gathered if you had actually read my post) that they definitely developed FTL before the Ctan showed up. I'm saying that it was possible that they did. The codex doesn't say that the Ctan gave them the tech either, just that the next time they went to war that they had it

Hmm, its on page 24 in the Necron codex.
The third (and last) paragraph of "The Necrontyr" subchapter says things like
"Using stasis crypts and slow burning torch ships"

"Sometime into their SLOW expansion, the Necrontyr encountered the Old Ones"

Then in the next subchapter called "War in Heaven" it pretty much starts out with saying "Their superior technology was consistently outmanouvered by the Old Ones thanks to their mastery of the webway"

So I guess you were right, I just didnt realize that the Old Ones had such crappy technology...

Every Space marine chapter. THE ULTIMATE WEAPON!!

tedurur wrote:Hmm, its on page 24 in the Necron codex.
The third (and last) paragraph of "The Necrontyr" subchapter says things like
"Using stasis crypts and slow burning torch ships"

"Sometime into their SLOW expansion, the Necrontyr encountered the Old Ones"

Then in the next subchapter called "War in Heaven" it pretty much starts out with saying "Their superior technology was consistently outmanouvered by the Old Ones thanks to their mastery of the webway"

So I guess you were right, I just didnt realize that the Old Ones had such crappy technology...

From what I understand the Old Ones tended to build everything pyschically, like the eldar do but much more so.

Eldar tech is almost organic in some ways, built from psychically reactive materials etc.. I would imagine that Old One tech took a back seat to psyker powers and so on. The Webway could be one huge, stable psychic construct (not saying it is, but it could be ).

I'm not disputing that they lacked FTL before the war with the old ones. I'm saying that between war one and war two it may have been developed, during the millenia that the Old Ones were pretty much ignoring them. There was a lot of downtime after War 1, and the necrontyr were an inventive bunch.

I find that easier to swallow, personally, than the idea that they were technolgically superior, got beaten anyway, then sat on their hands for hundreds of generations until they suddenly got God Mode

Void__Dragon wrote:
Humanity survives because it is so numerous, for the most part.

The most powerful weapon in the universe: The human libido.

Thatguyoverthere wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:
Humanity survives because it is so numerous, for the most part.

The most powerful weapon in the universe: The human libido.

Mega exalt.

lol... Orks on Ritalin or Focalin.

Can you imagine orks without ADD?

From what i have read its the blackstone, but whats this about eldar warp closer? And what is the strongest weapon in the actually tabletopgame, is it a vehicle or artillery? Well from what i have seen the tyranids would still be a reasonable terrifying weapon. The scary thing is if they came to our galaxy earlier we would be destroyed to hell.

How about the Necrons Celestial Orrey? That Room which has a replica of every star in the universe and if the replica goes out, so does its celestial counter part. Imagine throwing an angry ork in there, say good bye to the universe...

Celestial Orrery.

The ability to remove large chunks of the lifespan of every star in the galaxy is absurd. In terms of power, and concept.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
The ship that is powered by a measure of the Nightbringer's power, powerful enough to make Star Systems disappear.

Behind that is probably a Talisman of Vaul/Blackstone Fortress.

The World Engne is pretty powerful too, and is possibly the biggest, being the size of a planet.

The Celestial Orrery sneers at all that.

With it you could potentially destroy the entire galaxy.

 OrkArmageddon wrote:
From what i have read its the blackstone, but whats this about eldar warp closer? And what is the strongest weapon in the actually tabletopgame, is it a vehicle or artillery? Well from what i have seen the tyranids would still be a reasonable terrifying weapon. The scary thing is if they came to our galaxy earlier we would be destroyed to hell.

As far as I am aware, the most powerful TT is the Orbital Defense Laser which had its datasheet on the website for a time

Rg 36-Unlimited
Str D
AP 1
Type Ordnance 1, 10" Blast

It also had a form of Interceptor, could fire at every unit that arrived from reserve.


Between the updating of the Destroyer Weapon rules, this thing Auto-Wounded with ID, auto-penetrated with +3 to the damage chart, and ignore cover, could shoot any reserver and had unlimited range. So unless it was an EW or SHV, that's a dead unit or vehicle with a minimum of a Weapon Detroyed result.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
The Warp and the Daemons that control it.

This
A warp storm can swallow entire systems and prevent navigation. You just killed a planet? No biggy. It just destroyed many tes that just from coming into being. Look what the birth of slannesh did to the eldar empire in a matter of moments. And the eye of terror has remained for millenia.

Surely in principal the most powerful is the Necron Celestial Orrery?

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Celestial_Orrery#.Ul5SP9Ksim4

The death star.

Wait...

Overall: blackstone fortress or necron something or other...
Imperium: that stupid death star thingy the imperial fists have (if it actually worked properly).

Although (being technical here)... arent all tyranids part of a single organism....?

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/DeathStar.html

Anything which can actually blow a planet apart wins, anything which can do that on a bigger scale wins even more.

Lasgun.

Nerdrage.

Haven't you read the Necron fluff? an Ork messin with a Doomsday cannon

I think the most powerful force in the galaxy is the power of thread necro-ing...
Failing that, the celestial orrery

Fanboyz and haters...dark side and the dark, frustated side...

Why is anyone mentioning anything that's not the Celestial Orrery? Turning it off destroys the entire galaxy, if not the universe, as every single star goes supernova.

 Kain wrote:
Why is anyone mentioning anything that's not the Celestial Orrery? Turning it off destroys the entire galaxy, if not the universe, as every single star goes supernova.

Because it is a Necron weapon. And Necrons were defeated by the Eldar. Aaaand... Eldar and Orks (and many others, probably including mankind) are biological weapons created by the Old Ones.

The most powerful weapon ever? the Eldar race.
The most powerful weapon now? Orks or Humans, take your choice.

 da001 wrote:

 Kain wrote:
Why is anyone mentioning anything that's not the Celestial Orrery? Turning it off destroys the entire galaxy, if not the universe, as every single star goes supernova.

Because it is a Necron weapon. And Necrons were defeated by the Eldar. Aaaand... Eldar and Orks (and many others, probably including mankind) are biological weapons created by the Old Ones.

The most powerful weapon ever? the Eldar race.
The most powerful weapon now? Orks or Humans, take your choice.

Only after destroying the Old Ones and breaking the power of the C'tan. Until Szarekh betrayed the C'tan, they were handily defeating the Old Ones and all they had created.

Had he not betrayed the C'tan and focused on the Eldar, he would have squashed them.

But they used many, many weapons, one of them being the Celestial Orrery.

The Eldar race, all of them, is a single weapon. And the same goes for the Orks.

 da001 wrote:
But they used many, many weapons, one of them being the Celestial Orrery.

The Eldar race, all of them, is a single weapon. And the same goes for the Orks.

Neither the Orks nor the Eldar could potentially destroy all of existence (or at least the galaxy) by turning off a single machine.

That is a power beyond even Chaos.

An entire chapter of movie marines

I'm going with Orks, most numerous threat, even states if they worked together, they could krump the world, they were made by the old ones, so best biological weapons, also if we are talking about a gum then theoretically the Orks could make the most powerful one, considering the they believe it works so it does work rule, Orks just haven't thought about it

Nids are superior to everyone in terms of biological adaption, including orks. They are possibly more numerous, and can replenish losses so easily its unbelievably whilst denying the orks their reinforcements (by eating the spores) that give thr Greenskins their numerical advantage, and the Shadow in the Warp is potentially able to disrupt/prevent their psychic field. So Nids beat Orks in the long run.

We'll let this run for now, but if we could please generally avoid digging up threads this old t'would be appreciated.


Thanks.