I was out and about today and noticed the hellish price of this. Now I usually spend a couple of quid at most on PVA I sure as hell hope no one is paying this much for white glue. Proof (if anyone needed it) that GW really is run by greedy .

For the numpties and parents who know no better.

GW are not alone in this sort of hobby mark up to be fair.

Probably why they are at full stock atm.

They are not alone. Can't be too critical of this since general retail is notorius for doing the same thing.

Kellog's Frosted Flakes cost about 25% more than the off brand.

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

Automobile insurance and car loans done at a dealership are more expensive than doing them on your time.

But no, rather than comment on those, or better yet, not comment at all about the obvious, you've done some intense and thorough investigation and uncovered the dark secret TROOF about Games Workshop: They're in it for the money!

Gasp!

But "Own Brand" goods are usually cheaper

Expensive glue is expensive.

Not much else to say, dude. I would have just smiled and moved on rather than get worked up over it. I bought 5 bottles of glue the same size for $0.25 each at Target the other day, for what it's worth.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:But "Own Brand" goods are usually cheaper

This isn't their own brand. It's someone elses with a GW lable slapped on. All the stuff not made by GW is marked up quite a bit. Calling it a 'Greedfest' is sort of dumb, since they and many other places do the exact same thing. And it's been this way for 20 years. Not news.

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Pointing at it and rolling around clutching sides laughing would be good, if a tad hystrionic.

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

Just saying.

I still try to use a mix of P.V.A (usually from a cheapo shop) and Wood glue, find it gives a good bond, and is great with my terrain pieces.

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Is this one of those 'over the pond' naming confusion moments, as we certainly call it P.V.A here, but its just known as 'White Glue' in the US. Or do you have both, and parents just aren't catching on?

That's official GW glue, though! Imagine the jealous looks you'll get if you're seen in public with that beast.

A lot of times I've seen it as "school glue".

PVA Glue would be technically the most correct name however, and I would think applicable in any situation, given that the glue contains polyvinyl acetate.

Yep, it tends to get labelled "School Glue", "White Glue", or if you're an Elmer's fan "All-Purpose Glue".

It's all the same PVA, but we Americans tend to think on brands and not what a product actually is.

Hence why here all tissues are referred to as Kleenex, all adhesive medical strips are referred to as Band-Aids, and all cotton swabs are referred to as Q-tips. And on the extreme end, why all sodas are referred to as Coke in the South(though that's a byproduct of all the bottling plants, too).

That's Capitalism. Can't complain.

warpgrenade wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

]

Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

Platuan4th wrote:
It's all the same PVA, but we Americans tend to think on brands and not what a product actually is.

Clerks the Animated Series wrote:
-> '''Carnie:''' Mary, Mother of God! I cut my hand on a rubber band! Do you sell Band-Aids?
-> '''Randal:''' "Band-Aid" is a brand name! The proper term is "adhesive strips".
-> '''Dante:''' The man is bleeding to death and you're getting into a semantics argument?
-> '''Randal:''' Man! Name-brand word association is one of the more subtle threats to this nation's free trade! It gives the larger, well-known companies an unfair advantage. I'm doing my part to keep the playing field level by weaning people off of referring to generic products with brand names!
-> '''Dante:''' Way to show some backbone.
-> '''Randal:''' No spine of Jell-O here, my friend.

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mikhaila wrote:

Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

C'mon, you could make literally TENS of dollars this way!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I still try to use a mix of P.V.A (usually from a cheapo shop) and Wood glue, find it gives a good bond, and is great with my terrain pieces.

Is this one of those 'over the pond' naming confusion moments, as we certainly call it P.V.A here, but its just known as 'White Glue' in the US. Or do you have both, and parents just aren't catching on?

Yep. No one calls it PVA over here. 'white glue' 'school glue', but usually just 'Elmers Glue', which is the most prolific brand.

I generally use woodglue, either Elmers or Tighbond, and buy it a gallon at a time. Holds better than straight PVA. With as many projects as I do, I go through about a dozen gallons at a time.

mikhaila wrote:You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

It works for GW.

Besides, how hard is it to buy some PVA glue for $.25, slap a "Mikhaila's super-awesome glue (perfect for scenic bases)" label on it and and sell it for $5?

Probably a better markup, even counting the five or six minutes of extra work each week, than just about anything else you carry.

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Seriously does anybody still use the citadel glue products? Everything citadel makes is grossly overpriced from their glue to their figure cases, however I have never felt forced to buy that stuff, there is ALWAYS a cheaper alternative.

actually wood glue is great for this as well, and I like the idea of mixing it in with some white glue.

I also prefer Tacky Glue. its just pva, but at a thicker consistency. its still cheaer than the GW white glue.

but they aren't marketing that to adults that realize what it is and can go elsewhere. its marketed for children (or rather their parents) and dumbasses. literally dumb people who don't care that its the same stuff at 5x the cost.

all in all, I'm still not mad at them. nor do I need proof they are a FOR profit company (know that first hand). they sell a product, because people will buy it.

we as informed consumers simply choose to purchase a different product. its all the same.

I thought PVC *was* wood glue.

Here is the difference:

When I go to a 'hobby' shop in my area with model planes and RC cars and board games and Plasticard and railroad sets... *NONE* of those hobbies really use elmers glue. I was in one yesterday and none of them sold that type of glue. I can get airplane glue, i can get all sorts of super glue, I can get epoxy, but not that.

When I go to a 'Game Store in my area with yugioh cards, and models and roleplaying books and anime... *NONE* of those stores really have glue except for a few forms of model specific superglue. They also don't have a wide array of basing materials like the hobby shop does.

GW supplies it as part of a 'if you show up and we have this stand, you can get everything!' It then becomes an impulse buy because not everyone wants to make a second trip to the craft store or the grocery store to buy elmers glue for less. I often find myself needing to make a dual trip every time I need model supplies because there are some things I want cheap craft-like supplies for and some things I need real product for like models and some of the paints which I want specific shades.

I don't blame them for selling Glue for 8$ and spray paint for 15$. Yesterday I was at the hobby store and wanted some clear coat protect... Of all the paints there, all they had was heavy gloss for the model car paints. GW was the only clearcoat matt available and it was 15 bucks. I chose not to buy it as I was not in a rush and could get some at the craft store next trip, but if I was busy or needed it fast, I would have gotten it as it is not worth my time driving across town to get a 3.99$ clearcoat spray.

Impulse buy and lack of easy alternatives makes the price successful. If my hobby shop stocked alternatives then it would be a no brainer, but they usually don't.

biccat wrote:

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Do you have an registered MSDS for said glue in your company's name?

Are you a registered with your local state's environmental commission as a chemical manufacturer?

Do you have a license from the original manufacturer to repackage and resell the product under your own brand name?

Do you have a good lawyer?

daedalus wrote:

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

I agree with you on the theme park, but what the hell pizza place do you go to?

As for the rest of your post, he isn't complaining about any of those things because this is a GW/minis based forum. None of those things have any relevance to what the community is here for.

Oh, btw... I paid that much money to buy a gallon... let me say that again a GALLON of Elmer's glue...

chaos0xomega wrote:

daedalus wrote:

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

I agree with you on the theme park, but what the hell pizza place do you go to?

It's Joannie's, an independent place about three buildings down the road from me. One of the best pizzas in Saint Louis. feth Imo's and their nasty plasticy provel. They do tend to gouge for soda though. I seem to recall pizza hut doing it last time I was there as well. Either that, or the price of a 20oz has skyrocketed recently. Maybe I'm just getting old. I seem to recall they were about a buck from an actual store, but I'm pretty sure they're 1.75-2.00 at the aforementioned places.

As for the rest of your post, he isn't complaining about any of those things because this is a GW/minis based forum. None of those things have any relevance to what the community is here for.

Well, that's fair. Not relevant to the community, but they do operate on the same principle. As nkelsch said earlier, it's an impulse item that they can charge that much for because they're not counting on you to go across town to buy some of the good stuff.

Not that I support GW prices, but when I started with 40K I almost bought their spray primer. I was new to the whole "paint your miniatures" version of wargaming and thought that was just another cost of playing the game. As I reached out, I learned from people, forums like this, and the internet that there are plenty of alternatives to get the job done and most are cheaper than GW product. I can't fault GW for looking to make a few bucks off the uninformed/impulse purchase gamer. Just about every company does this in some fashion or another. I don't know about anyone else, but I have never seen a company say the following to me:

Employee - "Hey there! I see you are looking to buy X product. Did you know that you can get the same thing for a 1/3 of the price at your local Wal-Mart and it is just as good?"

Like Mikhaila I see no issue with GW (or him) selling the so-called "Citadel" glue at the big markup. It's the consumer's choice what glue to buy. If they appreciate the convenience and peace of mind of buying the Citadel stuff, where's the problem? If they want to do the research and save a bit of money, there are good alternatives.

Personally I use whatever PVA glue is convenient to get hold of. Evostick wood glue is good, however graphic art PVA works just as well and is cheaper. I've also had good success with Chinese PVA from the 100 yen shop in Japan.

I don't use gallons, so price differences don't worry me too much. I don't think I've used more than 500ml of it in the past three years.

PVA is PVA, pretty much.

And the bottom line you are not forced to buy it. Sure a pushy salesperson may plead with you to buy it, but the ultimate choice rests with you.

Let the ignorant waste their money

Its like computers. Instead of complaining about apple or best buy gouging prices, I'll just let people do whatever they want to do with their money

Then again I'm buying UMvC3 and Skyrim..... Delicious irony I suppose

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and i heard that paint might be going to 4.25$

It tends to be a hobby thing. If a product is labelled for use with a hobby it gets a hefty price tag.

Look for a generic equivalent elsewhere and the same stuff is a lot cheaper.

mikhaila wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:But "Own Brand" goods are usually cheaper

This isn't their own brand. It's someone elses with a GW lable slapped on.

That's what pretty much what all 'own brand' products are... It's just whether that 'own brand' range is marketed as a discount range or a premium range that differs from company to company.

mikhaila wrote:

warpgrenade wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

]

Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

Alternatively, and this is just a suggestion and no criticism of the way you run your store......but you could spend a few minutes actually educating those people about the cheaper alternatives. It might mean you don't get to order and sell the expensive GW product, but it may garner you some respect and trust from your customers, that might be converted into $$$ when you get their repeat custom.

I would imagine those people you sell the GW stuff to will eventually, if they stick with the hobby, realise that there are cheaper products that do the same thing out there....and when they do, they may (or may not) question why your store didn't clue them up when they were newbs.....they may regard your actions as if you were trying to fleece them rather then guide them from newb-hood to experienced gamer.

Again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, just offering an alternative strategy.

I think the point that Mikhaila was making was that he had tried explaining that the cheaper stuff was the same. The thing is, some people won't believe you. Some people are just wired to believe that 'more expensive' = 'better quality'

Delephont wrote:

mikhaila wrote:........................GW PVA glue.............

..........................................

Again, not trying to tell you how to run your business,........

Are you sure about that? That like saying "no offence but.....". If someone wants little Tommy to have GW glue then let them have it.

Anyway the picture the OP shows looks like it was taken in a Hobbycraft store, which means he was probably no more that 5 yards from 2 litres of the stuff for about a fiver. Hardy seems worth a picture..

daedalus wrote:A lot of times I've seen it as "school glue".

PVA Glue would be technically the most correct name however, and I would think applicable in any situation, given that the glue contains polyvinyl acetate.

School glue is a cheaper recipie which is also thinner. not good for basing.

notprop wrote:

Delephont wrote:

mikhaila wrote:........................GW PVA glue.............

..........................................

Again, not trying to tell you how to run your business,........

Are you sure about that? That like saying "no offence but.....". If someone wants little Tommy to have GW glue then let them have it.

Totally sure about my statement. I'm basing my suggestion on a very limited view of how things are happening at the store. Maybe the customer is a real stinker and deserves to pay full whack, maybe like Insaniak said, the customer wants GW stuff because they think it's better....and on and on.

In light of the statements made, I've made a suggestion, that's all. There's a significant difference between making a suggestion, and trying to direct someone.

I certainly wouldn't presume to tell someone who runs a successful business and has years of experience how to do their job.

notprop wrote:Anyway the picture the OP shows looks like it was taken in a Hobbycraft store, which means he was probably no more that 5 yards from 2 litres of the stuff for about a fiver.

Lol, indeed

This calls for a boycott! Well, finecost called for a boycott...

insaniak wrote:I think the point that Mikhaila was making was that he had tried explaining that the cheaper stuff was the same. The thing is, some people won't believe you. Some people are just wired to believe that 'more expensive' = 'better quality'

It's what the jewellery and makeup industries thrive on, selling cheap stuff for high prices because people don't believe that you can get quality for less. Psychologically I think people need to pay a lot for some thing like make up and jewellery because they need to feel it's cost them something, they don't want to wear something that didn't cost a lot regardless of quality.

Take Gerald Ratner's jewellery shops, they sold stuff fairly cheap but people thought it was quality. Then he said it was crap (which is was), and the illusion was shattered, no one bought the stuff and the company went to the edge.

Ahh "Doing a Ratner".....nice, how to sink a company in two statements or less

Funny though, because in a way you might class some of GW's statements as Ratner-esque.....for example "We're a miniatures company, not a games company"...or words to that effect....should have been the death call for WHFB and WH40K etc....and yet.

Delephont wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

warpgrenade wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

]

Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

Alternatively, and this is just a suggestion and no criticism of the way you run your store......but you could spend a few minutes actually educating those people about the cheaper alternatives. It might mean you don't get to order and sell the expensive GW product, but it may garner you some respect and trust from your customers, that might be converted into $$$ when you get their repeat custom.

I would imagine those people you sell the GW stuff to will eventually, if they stick with the hobby, realise that there are cheaper products that do the same thing out there....and when they do, they may (or may not) question why your store didn't clue them up when they were newbs.....they may regard your actions as if you were trying to fleece them rather then guide them from newb-hood to experienced gamer.

Again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, just offering an alternative strategy.

Mother comes in: I need GW PVA glue for my son/nephew/other.
ME: Explanation of what it is and they can get it cheaper elsewhere.
Mother gives me skeptical look, says "So, you don't sell what I need?" Goes away thinking a) I can't help her and b) I'm offering excuses for what I don't have in stock. Decides to buy it (and other products) on the GW website.

It is far easier to stock the GW glue, explain what it is, and then let the customer make a decision on whether to buy it from me, or get something cheaper elsewhere. Many people still grab the GW glue.

mikhaila wrote:
Mother comes in: I need GW PVA glue for my son/nephew/other.
ME: Explanation of what it is and they can get it cheaper elsewhere.
Mother gives me skeptical look, says "So, you don't sell what I need?" Goes away thinking a) I can't help her and b) I'm offering excuses for what I don't have in stock. Decides to buy it (and other products) on the GW website.

It is far easier to stock the GW glue, explain what it is, and then let the customer make a decision on whether to buy it from me, or get something cheaper elsewhere. Many people still grab the GW glue.

Ok, well, theres the key point. I assumed you sold the other PVA brands as well, kinda like Hobbycraft etc. If the only glue you sell is GW branded product then it makes sense you'd want to turn your stock around. I wouldn't expect many business men would willingly send a paying customer away.

Delephont wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

warpgrenade wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Stop carrying GW 'PVA Glue'. Find a generic wholesale supplier and relabel it yourself and keep 100% of the markup.

]

Why? The customer is specifically asking for GW PVA glue, and I can sell it to them. With no effort, I can order it in and sell it.

You're suggesting I be deceptive, do more work, and reap the benefits of a couple of bucks?

Alternatively, and this is just a suggestion and no criticism of the way you run your store......but you could spend a few minutes actually educating those people about the cheaper alternatives. It might mean you don't get to order and sell the expensive GW product, but it may garner you some respect and trust from your customers, that might be converted into $$$ when you get their repeat custom.

I would imagine those people you sell the GW stuff to will eventually, if they stick with the hobby, realise that there are cheaper products that do the same thing out there....and when they do, they may (or may not) question why your store didn't clue them up when they were newbs.....they may regard your actions as if you were trying to fleece them rather then guide them from newb-hood to experienced gamer.

Again, not trying to tell you how to run your business, just offering an alternative strategy.

I think it's important to note that, especially given a mall location, a lot of the people asking for this glue aren't actually hobbyists, but the hobbyists parents. Trying to explain to them that they don't really want to buy this glue their son has asked for while they wrestle with an angry two year old in the three minutes they have at the mall before they have to pick up little Englebert from clarinet practice may not be seen as the beneficial act you imagine it to be.

I've got no beef with GW making it or Mikhaila selling it. I'm still going to rip on GW for selling PVA at over a 300% markup.

In the USA GW is quite clever in that they sell 4oz of glue for 8.25 by putting it in a paint tube, calling it PVA and labeling it "ml", all of which most American's won't associate with elmers.

That said, it's more than a little rediculous to ask a hobby shop to only carry the cheap glue. It's hard enough for them to stay alive as it is without asking them to make even less $ off a given product. Ideally a hobby shop would carry both. The regular stuff so that people like me won't buy their glue at JoAnnes. And the GW stuff so that maximum $ can be made from the suburban mom who will buy Jr. whatever he wants to ease her guilt for stopping breastfeeding when he was "only" 4.

Suburban Mom's. Keeping GW in bussiness since 1994.

lord marcus wrote:

daedalus wrote:A lot of times I've seen it as "school glue".

PVA Glue would be technically the most correct name however, and I would think applicable in any situation, given that the glue contains polyvinyl acetate.

School glue is a cheaper recipie which is also thinner. not good for basing.

Huh. Actually did not realize that. I think mine says "All-purpose", but I'll have to doublecheck. Learn something new everyday.

One of our kids has been basing his minis using the glue provided for us by the local council. Which will be the same stuff the kids use in schools.

Not seen any appreciable difference in performance so far.

AFAIK, one difference twixt "school glue" and some PVA types is that the former is water soluble and will soften after it has dried when soaked. (eg if a the glue hardens on a brush it can still be washed out) Others retain there bond after curing.

Oh, its a GW bash thread. I should of known. Laugh at the sticker price and then buy some Elmers for a quarter of that

daedalus wrote:Kellog's Frosted Flakes cost about 25% more than the off brand.

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

Automobile insurance and car loans done at a dealership are more expensive than doing them on your time.

But no, rather than comment on those, or better yet, not comment at all about the obvious, you've done some intense and thorough investigation and uncovered the dark secret TROOF about Games Workshop: They're in it for the money!

Gasp!

Other companies aren't usually stupid enough to drive their own customers away, and usually aren't quite so blatant about it. I remember getting three decent metal models for five quid. Now I get one crappy plastic one for a tenner. If their costs have gone up that much they've managed their business poorly to say the least.

I haven't bought much of anything from GK in years. I buy it all second hand and proxy when I can. That is stupid business. Rather than having some of my money, they chose to have none of it. Do they really think they can survive on selling the odd battleforce to a kid who will most likely never come back? Which, incidently, have increased in price by over 20% in the past year alone. Few companies would do that, because the customer can see the worth of your product dropping relative to the price in a very short space of time. Incidently, if they can sell all that to me (and I still make as saving of around 20/30 quid I think) and still make a profit...why does it have to be so expensive?

That is why their prices are going up. They are selling less and less. The product is getting less and less popular, and their only response is to increase prices for people who are, AT PRESENT, willing to support them financially. They would be better placed if they sought to get their product back into mainstream consciousness (as it was all through the 90's). Then they'd sell more and GASP, wouldn't have to charge their frankly ridiculous prices.

You used to get three rhinos for twenty quid. Now you get one for thirty. I honestly don't see GK being around in ten years time, which is a real shame. Noone to blame but themselves though, they treat their customers like gak.

KingCracker wrote:Oh, its a GW bash thread. I should of known.

Well, yeah... the thread title shoud have been a clue.

The Night Stalker wrote:Seriously does anybody still use the citadel glue products? Everything citadel makes is grossly overpriced from their glue to their figure cases, however I have never felt forced to buy that stuff, there is ALWAYS a cheaper alternative.

Not just overpriced, but of poor quality too. Their superglue goes funny and doesn't work after about five minutes. Locktight costs half the price and bonds in about a second. It also never goes 'off', or whatever the hell the citadel SG does.


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kronk wrote:

biccat wrote:

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Do you have an registered MSDS for said glue in your company's name?

Are you a registered with your local state's environmental commission as a chemical manufacturer?

Do you have a license from the original manufacturer to repackage and resell the product under your own brand name?

Do you have a good lawyer?

A free market right? My arse.

mikhaila wrote:I didn't used to carry 'PVA Glue'. But after years of parents asking for this magical stuff, and not believing that it's plain white glue, I started ordering it in from GW, and it sells on a regular basis.

Pure gold, this line

Edit: In most stores I've seen two options: "School glue" and a similar bottle with a different label. Good to know that the school glue is watered down / not the same stuff... I suspected as much and bought the stuff in the same size bottle that didn't say "school".

I was pumped when I saw they were going to release a tzeentch herald on a disc. I had just started a demons army and he was the only model I was going to have to convert.

Then I saw the price ... $38.00. This isn't even a monstrous creature. It's just a box for a single model. I decided to convert and get the most out of my extra 2 models.

Tehjonny wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:Seriously does anybody still use the citadel glue products? Everything citadel makes is grossly overpriced from their glue to their figure cases, however I have never felt forced to buy that stuff, there is ALWAYS a cheaper alternative.

Not just overpriced, but of poor quality too. Their superglue goes funny and doesn't work after about five minutes. Locktight costs half the price and bonds in about a second. It also never goes 'off', or whatever the hell the citadel SG does.

Completely true. I've used both their super glue and their plastic glue.

I ended up buying Revell plastic glue for about half the price of GW plastic glue, which comes in a bottle with a really handy super thin steel applicating rod. I've had the rod clog once, but otherwise it's held stronger and bonded faster than GW glue. It just smells like complete gak.

As for superglue, I now just use the cheap stuff I see in bargain shops. I think recently I got 12 tubes for $2au, and having used it already, it works just fine.


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besthegreat wrote:Then I saw the price ... $38.00. This isn't even a monstrous creature. It's just a box for a single model. I decided to convert and get the most out of my extra 2 models.

Archaon is $83 in Australia. A single character on a horse. The same price as a Carnifex. Their finecast pricing can get a bit ridiculous. Thanksfully the stuff I do want in finecast isn't much more expensive than it was in metal.

Tehjonny wrote:

daedalus wrote:Kellog's Frosted Flakes cost about 25% more than the off brand.

Buying a 20oz soda at a theme park or a pizza place will cost you on average twice as much elsewhere.

Automobile insurance and car loans done at a dealership are more expensive than doing them on your time.

But no, rather than comment on those, or better yet, not comment at all about the obvious, you've done some intense and thorough investigation and uncovered the dark secret TROOF about Games Workshop: They're in it for the money!

Gasp!

Other companies aren't usually stupid enough to drive their own customers away, and usually aren't quite so blatant about it. I remember getting three decent metal models for five quid. Now I get one crappy plastic one for a tenner. If their costs have gone up that much they've managed their business poorly to say the least.

I haven't bought much of anything from GK in years. I buy it all second hand and proxy when I can. That is stupid business. Rather than having some of my money, they chose to have none of it. Do they really think they can survive on selling the odd battleforce to a kid who will most likely never come back? Which, incidently, have increased in price by over 20% in the past year alone. Few companies would do that, because the customer can see the worth of your product dropping relative to the price in a very short space of time. Incidently, if they can sell all that to me (and I still make as saving of around 20/30 quid I think) and still make a profit...why does it have to be so expensive?

That is why their prices are going up. They are selling less and less. The product is getting less and less popular, and their only response is to increase prices for people who are, AT PRESENT, willing to support them financially. They would be better placed if they sought to get their product back into mainstream consciousness (as it was all through the 90's). Then they'd sell more and GASP, wouldn't have to charge their frankly ridiculous prices.

You used to get three rhinos for twenty quid. Now you get one for thirty. I honestly don't see GK being around in ten years time, which is a real shame. Noone to blame but themselves though, they treat their customers like gak.

True, but in the early 90s, I seem to recall cassettes being roughly $8.00-$12.00, gas being less than a buck, soda was a quarter, and most magazines listing the CAD price as being double the USD price. Find me a CD for less than $16 from a brick and mortar nowadays.

Having that been said, I'm not blaming it all on economic strife, nor am I claiming there's no profiteering going on. However, having THAT been said, I could say the same thing about crude oil. I'd provide a source, but it'd debilitatingly hard to find a site that will do a chart over time for anything that's not an equity.

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To be honest, I get it, it's expensive. I understand that. I buy less as a result, especially now, post-Finecast. We all know that GW=$$$ though. It's no surprise, and it annoys me when people regard it as one, especially when they set the OP up broadcasting that fact. "Greed Fest continues" is nothing but flamebait, at best. I'm just burnt out on the hate. What's the point? You can't change them. The constant bitching doesn't add any value to the situation. If you don't like it, then leave GW. Stop buying 40k. Go buy Mantic, go buy Warmachine. Go wherever feels good. You claim GW doesn't want you anyway because they're pricing you out of the market? Fine. Man up and vote with your wallet.

+1 To Daedalus



A tenner for 10 L.... see the internet is not just for pron!

Eilif wrote:I've got no beef with GW making it or Mikhaila selling it. I'm still going to rip on GW for selling PVA at over a 300% markup.

In the USA GW is quite clever in that they sell 4oz of glue for 8.25 by putting it in a paint tube, calling it PVA and labeling it "ml", all of which most American's won't associate with elmers.

....................................

Yes whiley GW, using factual names and the metric system to fool poor unknowing Amurikans.

On the subject of the paint bottle it comes in, I actually have a GW PVA bottle from many many years ago and although it is now full of A N OTHER BRAND glue its actually quite a good dispensor.

Tauzor wrote:+1 To Daedalus



A tenner for 10 L.... see the internet is not just for pron!

Now thats just a blatant lie, take it back!



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-Loki- wrote:As for superglue, I now just use the cheap stuff I see in bargain shops. I think recently I got 12 tubes for $2au, and having used it already, it works just fine.

Just a word of warning on these sorts of superglue (having bought 10 for £1 from Tescos) and I found the glue to be very thin. No less strong or longer for bonding but the runnyness took some getting used to resulting in a fair amount of fingers nearly getting stuck together.

I have since gone back to more expensive branded gel superglues. One to watch out for mate.

A tenner for 10 L.... see the internet is not just for pron!

Depends on how you intend using the stuff. That's an aweful lot of PVA you have there.
Could be a lot of fun putting it on a willing partner and ....
Better stop there, this is a family show after all!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:It tends to be a hobby thing. If a product is labelled for use with a hobby it gets a hefty price tag.

Look for a generic equivalent elsewhere and the same stuff is a lot cheaper.

Model kits makers do EXACT same thing as GW does (even those whose actual products tend to be cheaper). Revell stands have small 100ml bottles of Revell paint thinner for like 5 euros a piece. I used to buy those, until I figured that general stores sell 2 litre bottles of the same thinner for same price.

But of course it isn't Official Revell Paint Thinner (tm).

There are some things that are not too bad. The Revell Contacta cement for instance. But not aware of any generic polystyrene cement.

Is that the thinners for enamel paints? I did the same with Humbrol cellulose thinners. Also the other thing is size.
I bought a small bottle of Tamiya Acryiic thinners but when you work out the equivalent cost per same amount in the big bottle it works out a lot cheaper.
Til you realise you can use Isopropylene (spelling?) which workes out cheaper still

Just don't confuse enamel thinners with cellulose thinners...

The only thing I give money to GW for nowadays is miniatures.

White glue: Elmers 1.99, GW 8.25 for the same amount
Static Grass: Woodland Scenics 12.49 for a 50 cu in. shaker bottle. GW 8.25 for about 1/5th the amount if not even less.
exacto knife: Any hardware store 1.00-2.00, GW 15.00
Clippers: any hardware store 3.00, GW 15.00
Super glue: Any hardware store 1.00-3.00 for 5g. GW 6.00 for 5G

It goes on and on like that... ANYTHING that you can buy in a craft or hardware store you can get for a fraction of the price GW wants you to spend.

It's not far fetched for a hobbyist to save 100$ a year or more by going that route rather than GW.

insaniak wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Oh, its a GW bash thread. I should of known.

Well, yeah... the thread title shoud have been a clue.

Yea it was, but I was really expecting something GASP inducing. Like they melt down young children to make their finecast resin, so THATS why its so expensive. But this is glue..........total let down

KingCracker wrote:

insaniak wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Oh, its a GW bash thread. I should of known.

Well, yeah... the thread title shoud have been a clue.

Yea it was, but I was really expecting something GASP inducing. Like they melt down young children to make their finecast resin, so THATS why its so expensive. But this is glue..........total let down

Well, not ENTIRE children. Their tears are used in the process though. As I understand, they keep them in undersized cages suspended from the air and read C.S. Goto books to them until they collect enough for a batch. It's like one of those old-school fairy tales.

GW glue has been like this for nearly a decade.

KingCracker wrote:Yea it was, but I was really expecting something GASP inducing. Like they melt down young children to make their finecast resin, so THATS why its so expensive. But this is glue..........total let down

You should find circumstantial evidence that supports the 'Finecast is people!' argument. Then spread it around the internet and see how many people bite.

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

Just saying.

You're confused I think.... GW pays money to whoever makes this glue and then puts their label on it. Nothing illegal at all. Kneadatite makes GS, but GW sells it also (at about x5 the price). Same with their tools.


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kronk wrote:

biccat wrote:

kronk wrote:Tapering with labels, specifically with labels on chemicals, can get you time in a state-run facility.

As long as you're only changing the trademark, I don't see the problem.

Do you have an registered MSDS for said glue in your company's name?

Are you a registered with your local state's environmental commission as a chemical manufacturer?

Do you have a license from the original manufacturer to repackage and resell the product under your own brand name?

Do you have a good lawyer?

LOL Elmer's glue doesn't need an MSDS, you can drink a whole bottle of the stuff.

Most of that stuff can be bought for cheap if you use other brands, like testors, elmers and such.

Smillie wrote:I was out and about today and noticed the hellish price of this. Now I usually spend a couple of quid at most on PVA I sure as hell hope no one is paying this much for white glue. Proof (if anyone needed it) that GW really is run by greedy .

Don't buy it then.. That s what is great about consumerism, if you don't like the price don't buy it..

Cheers

Then spread it around the internet and see how many people suck.

Corrected for accuracy.

nectarprime wrote:

LOL Elmer's glue doesn't need an MSDS, you can drink a whole bottle of the stuff.

At the risk of being contrary for the sake of it, here's one for dihydrogen oxide:

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927321

There's no fething around when it comes to MSDSs, no matter how trivial the substance seems.

Personally, my sensibilities are kind of offended in that they failed to mention "water intoxication" under the "other toxic effects on humans" section.

daedalus wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

LOL Elmer's glue doesn't need an MSDS, you can drink a whole bottle of the stuff.

At the risk of being contrary for the sake of it, here's one for dihydrogen oxide:

http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927321

There's no fething around when it comes to MSDSs, no matter how trivial the substance seems.

Personally, my sensibilities are kind of offended in that they failed to mention "water intoxication" under the "other toxic effects on humans" section.

I stand corrected! Here's the MSDS for Elmer's: http://www.elmers.com/msds/me375_c.htm

nectarprime wrote:

I stand corrected! Here's the MSDS for Elmer's: http://www.elmers.com/msds/me375_c.htm

Thanks for correcting your error.

So I recently got back into this hobby after a long absence.

Driving my usual route, I noticed a GW store that just opened, (the first and only GW store in my area, it turns out). Out of nostalgia, I stopped and went in.

Long story short, I walked out with a IoB set, some paints, spray primer, and model glue.

Did GW make money on me? Yes.
Did I know I could get paints / supplies cheaper? Yes.
Do I care? NO!

To have gotten those other items, I would have needed to drive to another hobby store, which would have been 30 minutes in the wrong direction. Frankly, my time is more valuable than the few dollars I would have saved (which probably would have been washed away with gas costs anyways). Instead I went straight home and started messing with my stuff.

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Of course the whole point is to make money ... jez
Its a business, you may not like it , you might not agree with how to does it .

At the end of the day its about profit or shareholders like me get angry...

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Sure, you can run around and save some money. That's not news. His point was that for some people, they don't mind paying a bit extra if it cuts down the run around.

Convenience and one stop shopping are always appealing, and will always increase sales.

How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

I'm about 6000miles from the nearest Walmart.

Monster Rain wrote:How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

Yeah, PVA.

But not polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate.

notprop wrote:I'm about 6000miles from the nearest Walmart.

Surely your country has a comparable store.

Kanluwen wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

Yeah, PVA.

But not polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate.

Or uranium.

I thought we were discussing overpriced PVA?

Monster Rain wrote:

notprop wrote:I'm about 6000miles from the nearest Walmart.

Surely your country has a comparable store.

They do. Tesco's, I think it's called.

Kanluwen wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:How far could you possibly live from a Walmart?

They sell PVA in gallon jugs for a laughably small amount of money.

Yeah, PVA.

But not polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate.

Or uranium.

I thought we were discussing overpriced PVA?

We are, but Chibi was replying to someone who distinctly said that they walked out of GW with model glue.

Whose talking about runaround?
Oh sorry.Forgetting that some people only shop for toys

From my visits to the US there seems to be more of an emphasis on driving to each store, the idea of walking between shops appeared to be abhorrent to the locals - but in the Florida heat & humidity I could hardly blame them.

Fortunately I had my stiff upper lip with me and strolled around like the lobster pink tourist I was.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Whose talking about runaround?
Oh sorry.Forgetting that some people only shop for toys

What you're forgetting, actually, is that the grocery chains that we have here in the US don't commonly stock model building supplies.
You can walk into most grocery stores like Food Lion or Kroger and find PVA glue and maybe Krazy Glue(which is terrible for models, but it's something I guess), but not polystyrene cement.

Some chains like Target or Wal-Mart(depending if they're a "Super" Target or Wal-Mart) will have all the supplies you'd feasibly need, but you really need to luck out on that one.
Hardware shops don't stock polystyrene cement but they will have wood glue, PVA, and some kind of cyanoacrylate.

There's a chain called "Michael's" which is an arts and crafts supply shop which will have polystyrene cement, but they seemingly are going out of business.

So to get polystyrene cement(any kind), cyanoacrylate, and PVA in one shop--I have to go to a train shop that is an hour and a half away from where I live. If they don't have it, I have to go another half hour to the next train shop. My LGS has cyanoacrylate and pva, but not the kind of polystyrene cement that I like using.

I don't think that I'm necessarily alone in this being the situation for me though.


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notprop wrote:From my visits to the US there seems to be more of an emphasis on driving to each store, the idea of walking between shops appeared to be abhorrent to the locals - but in the Florida heat & humidity I could hardly blame them.

Fortunately I had my stiff upper lip with me and strolled around like the lobster pink tourist I was.

If the shops are close to each other? It's not a problem.

If there's a half hour of travel time in a car between them--that's a completely different story.

What everyone is forgetting is that I did state that I didn't know what it is like in the USA

But it cannot be beyond the wit of man to see when one is getting short of supplies to arrange things in advance.
I have a train journey and other limiting factors to contend with if I need some poly cement.

So make sure when in town I get what I need if getting low on supplies. I don't get much in the way of hobbying supplies from grocers.
A bit of simple forward planning is all that is required.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What everyone is forgetting is that I did state that I didn't know what it is like in the USA

Your statement was "Oh sorry. Forgetting some people only shop for toys".

Sometimes, that's all one's local shop will actually have. "The toys".

But it cannot be beyond the wit of man to see when one is getting short of supplies to arrange things in advance.
I have a train journey and other limiting factors to contend with if I need some poly cement.
So make sure when in town I get what I need if getting low on supplies. I don't get much in the way of hobbying supplies from grocers.
A bit of simple forward planning is all that is required.

There's only so much that planning will do if the place doesn't actually have it in stock when you go, wouldn't you agree?
It's gotten to the point where I make one journey to my LGS a month, make a fairly big purchase(modelwise) and get my hobby supplies from Squadron or The Warstore. It's cheaper, I can get them in bulk, and what's more--they actually stock primer that I like and Vallejo Model Air paints.

I live out in the sticks and rely on public transport. I also have a Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which buggers up my sleeping patterns and energy levels.
I haven't managed to get into the main nearest city of Sheffield since around October 2010.

If something is out of stock it is hard lines. There is always the internet as a last resort.

Maybe have lived in South Yorkshire so long that thrift has rubbed off, I don't know.
I will pay a little extra for something if it means I don't have to expend energy I don't have looking for it.
But screw paying way over the odds because it has a label on it, whatever the shopkeepers say.

We have no public transport worth mentioning here in North Carolina.

When it comes to PVA glue, you're absolutely right about it being a ripoff--but people will buy anything if you brand it properly.
When it comes to polystyrene cement or cyanoacrylate, you can actually be starved for choices.

Michael's is closing?!?!?! Please tell me it isn't true. If so, that just may be the worst news I've heard all year, including the GW price hikes in may. Michael's is where I get all of my art supplies, both for wargaming and any other art I do.

I don't know for certain if they are Guildsman, but I had 3 Michael's near me--and they've all gone under.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Try wargames emporium in orchard square.

This purchase still fills me with shame, but the very first time I went to a gaming store, I got a few paints a a bottle of Games Workshop PVA glue. It wasn't until I got home and opened it that I realized I had just paid $8 for 80 cents of Elmer's glue.

Yes its overpriced, but if they can get some fool to pay that price, then more power to them.

Buyer beware, as they say.

Ouze wrote:This purchase still fills me with shame, but the very first time I went to a gaming store, I got a few paints a a bottle of Games Workshop PVA glue. It wasn't until I got home and opened it that I realized I had just paid $8 for 80 cents of Elmer's glue.

I lucked out, I had been doing scale models before I got into miniatures so I knew that PVA is Elmer's.

Meh, our GW manager tells us where to go to get alternative supplies...

Like when he tells new purchasers they can buy it here, hangs the conversation, then tells them the place to get el cheapo supplies which are better.

mikhaila wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Sure, you can run around and save some money. That's not news. His point was that for some people, they don't mind paying a bit extra if it cuts down the run around.

Convenience and one stop shopping are always appealing, and will always increase sales.

Exactly the point I was making.

I was not about to trek all over the city in Friday night rush hour traffic to find a miserable bottle of polystyrene cement so I can save a whole two dollars. I also know that PVA glue is Elmers glue, and I happen to have tons of it, so I'm set there. But you know what? If I needed it that night, I would have bought it from GW. Just to cut down on trips.

I think this is one of those things that the older folks are going to see one way, and the younger folks will see differently; and I don't mean that in a nasty way at all. It's just a different mindset. Making an extra stop at Walmart, fighting the parking lot traffic, then hunting the entire store for the one item you need, then waiting for the brain-dead cashier to ring out the dozen people in line in front of you, while all the time your wife was expecting you home a while ago to help with the chores, and every minute that ticks by is another you won't get to see your kids before they have to go to bed..... well a simple trip to Walmart takes on a whole new meaning that is not worth the few dollars you would save on some glue.

Any one would think you had a choice as a customer. I didn't realise you had to purchase something directly from GW when you needed it.

I've been doing it wrong all these years!

Phobos wrote:I think this is one of those things that the older folks are going to see one way, and the younger folks will see differently; and I don't mean that in a nasty way at all. It's just a different mindset. Making an extra stop at Walmart, fighting the parking lot traffic, then hunting the entire store for the one item you need, then waiting for the brain-dead cashier to ring out the dozen people in line in front of you, while all the time your wife was expecting you home a while ago to help with the chores, and every minute that ticks by is another you won't get to see your kids before they have to go to bed..... well a simple trip to Walmart takes on a whole new meaning that is not worth the few dollars you would save on some glue.

But that's the point, you are paying for the convenience of it. If you need it RIGHT NOW you are right, it probably doesn't pay to leave the GW store, drive a few miles and hunt out a cheap bottle. But most sensible people don't do that, they just pick up a huge tub occasionally whenever they go to these places for other reasons and then store it, so they aren't in the position of finding themselves stuck in GW at 8pm realising they need it by the next morning.

Hi all.
My LFGS stocks general hobby suplies as well as the GW branded ones.
And even though thier is much better and/or cheaper alternatives available ,(Testors, Humbrol,Railway Scenics.) The 'kiddies still buy GW branded suplies !

GW plcs greatest achivement is the level of brain washing they manage in thier more gullable customers.

I asked Steve why he stocked GW branded stuff AND regular stuff.He said some customers wouldnt buy anything but GW branded hobby supplies.

'Stupid is, as stupid does...' as Forest Gump said.

abaddonsdrummer wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

Try wargames emporium in orchard square.

Just be prepared for a healthy jog up the circular staircase to get to it.


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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

Fact is, to people like me who work long hours and have children, time is often the most precious commodity we have. If I had to go to another store to buy the supplies I can tell you I almost certainly would have walked out with nothing.

Don't know about the USA but it is fairly easy to get a lot of the cheaper alternatives while doing a normal shopping run. Actually for me it is easier than going into Sheffield or Meadowhall to a GW store.

I think they tried to fit a bottle of PVA glue into Meadowhall GW once, and found that they had to throw a customer out to get it to fit. Meadowhall GW, the only genuine MINIATURE store.

lol
Man, those bloody stairs but the trek through Meadowhall from the station to the GW boxroom is far, far worse!

I can assure you that I do NOT jog up the spiral. How I wish that I could
Would be good if there was a helter skelter to get back down again
Still I like the guys that run the joint.

We all know this "slap a company logo on something and sell it for 10 times the price" from nearly every product; be a company with a popular name, buy a tshirt for 3$, print your name on it, sell it for 80$. Its simply capitalism

Yeah but it only works cos of the suckers that buy into that crap!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Yeah but it only works cos of the suckers that buy into that crap!

But the value is what people are willing to pay for it.

Can GW continue to price hike its products?

So long as people are willing to pay and the company sees profits.

But only because... etc

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:But only because... etc

True...but you do your best not to indulge if you don't like forking over 6 gallons worth of gas for a thing the size of your thumb.

Get models second hand or switch hobbies.

It comes naturally, there is no need to try.

I buy GW, because that's what I know works. And, last time I asked for PVA glue from a relative, instead of going to GW for some, I got wood glue, which might work but by the name itself, probably not.

I lost my track of thought, but basically, I will continue to occasionally buy GW glue and paints, because it's what I know is good and not too hard to get, but I ain't picky so If someone buys me some cheap stuff, I won't throw a tantrum, I'll just use it till it dies

DukeBadham wrote:I buy GW, because that's what I know works. And, last time I asked for PVA glue from a relative, instead of going to GW for some, I got wood glue, which might work but by the name itself, probably not.

I lost my track of thought, but basically, I will continue to occasionally buy GW glue and paints, because it's what I know is good and not too hard to get, but I ain't picky so If someone buys me some cheap stuff, I won't throw a tantrum, I'll just use it till it dies

Wood glue is that same stuff man. Draw your own conclusions through research as opposed to just taking GW's word for it.


Do you buy GS from them too?

Doctadeth wrote:Meh, our GW manager tells us where to go to get alternative supplies...

Like when he tells new purchasers they can buy it here, hangs the conversation, then tells them the place to get el cheapo supplies which are better.

Your manager is...AWESOME!
Seriously, there needs to be more like him. It'll give GW a much better rep, which'll serve them better in the long run.

Also, where else can you buy GS? There are alternatives?

You went to hobbycraft didn't you...

But like I say wargames makers are politcans...

Cthulu
GS is generically called Kneadatite
A quick search on googlre or ebay will throw up results that are cheaper than GW

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Cthulu
GS is generically called Kneadatite
A quick search on googlre or ebay will throw up results that are cheaper than GW

I see. I trust that it could be found at any hardware/hobby store?

Goodness I hate spotting a typo in a quote!

You might find it in some but tbh I don't know.
Is there a problem ordering online?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Goodness I hate spotting a typo in a quote!

You might find it in some but tbh I don't know.
Is there a problem ordering online?

Not really, but I generally prefer to get things physically. Much lower chance of getting cheated.
I'm just paranoid like that I guess.

Just ordered a tube of the stuff from Heresy
Arrived within one working day, and got a lollipop with the order

Maelstrom sell the Army painter version and deliver worldwide for free
afaik they are very reputable though not used them myself
http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=tap_hob_mod_scp_001_000

not sure how much is in the Army Painter pack is just over half price at £3.59
GW is £6.15 for 20gm

I paid £13 inc postage for 100gm so by my maths that would have cost me £30.75 from GW

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Cthulu
GS is generically called Kneadatite
A quick search on googlre or ebay will throw up results that are cheaper than GW

No, "Kneadatite" is still a brand name; it's not 'generic'.

It's just "Blue-Yellow Epoxy Putty".

I only got into the hobby a few months ago and at first I was going to order from GW direct, until I found FirestormGames and noticed everything was cheaper. GW seem to really overcharge for everything, I've been buying stuff from Army Painter instead as they're much cheaper and just as good (or better), plus I'm paying 50p less per pot of paint using Vallejo which adds up over time.

No, "Kneadatite" is still a brand name; it's not 'generic'.

Well if yer gonna split hairs!!

nectarprime wrote:

DukeBadham wrote:I buy GW, because that's what I know works. And, last time I asked for PVA glue from a relative, instead of going to GW for some, I got wood glue, which might work but by the name itself, probably not.

I lost my track of thought, but basically, I will continue to occasionally buy GW glue and paints, because it's what I know is good and not too hard to get, but I ain't picky so If someone buys me some cheap stuff, I won't throw a tantrum, I'll just use it till it dies

Wood glue is that same stuff man. Draw your own conclusions through research as opposed to just taking GW's word for it.


Do you buy GS from them too?

I didn't know wood glue was the same thing, now I do, cheers for telling me, btw, no one at GW told me they were different, I made that assumption based on the fact it was called wood glue.
I have never used green stuff, and I do't plan to.

Have you seen those monsters at Ben and Jerry's, too? The markup on ice cream in the cinema is insane! And the prices they charge for Maltesers?! Lighter way to enjoy chocolate my backside!

On the other hand, GW doesn't force you to buy their glue in order to use models in their stores/tournaments. As opposed to cinemas, which can and do force you to produce a receipt from their food concessions if you're taking chocolate goodies into a movie.

Blame the free market economy. Personally, I feel the pros of capitalism outweigh the cons.

Didn't realise you HAD to buy ice cream and Malteasers at the flicks?
Never done so at our local. Maybe some of the multiplexes you go to are run by gangsters?

BTW if the market was truely free there would be no such restrictions on food purchases

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Didn't realise you HAD to buy ice cream and Malteasers at the flicks?

You've evidently never had to sit through a film you didn't want to see for the sake of social conformity. I wish you joy of Transformers 3.

Technically, you don't 'need' PVA glue - there are other adhesives that can substitute.

Nope never had but given that it was Transformers 3 am assuming it wasn't a family outing. I was never forced by peer group pressure to do something I was uncomfortable with. If they are your mates they should be understanding about you not wanting to sit through it.

hth

Technically I do need pva glue, for certain functions it performs how I need it to. Prittstiks tend not to cut the mustard.

The analogy is not very successful as the ice cream is being consumed on the cinema premises. Unless you only base your models at the GW store it does not apply.
I am at liberty to walk out of the store across the shopping precinct and into Works to buy PVA should I so wish.

Don't like the price, don't buy the product.

And yep, I think that's it pretty much covered.

I walk 15 more meters past the GW, go to the sewing store and buy 1 liter of PVA for less than the cost of GW glue.

Same place does Superglue and plastic cement for roughly the same cost.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The analogy is not very successful as the ice cream is being consumed on the cinema premises. Unless you only base your models at the GW store it does not apply.
I am at liberty to walk out of the store across the shopping precinct and into Works to buy PVA should I so wish.

You've made my point, while it seems missing it entirely. You don't have to use GW's glue, hence running to Dakka complaining to the world about it being overpriced is akin to a housewife running to The Internet to complain that the packs of chicken breasts cost more at Sainsbury's than they do at Tesco's, despite coming from the same free range farm.

Will try and remember next time not to pay silly money for something I don't want.

You are wasted here, you should be financial advisor for The Times

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Will try and remember next time not to pay silly money for something I don't want.

Which pretty much sums up my view on the thread.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:You are wasted here, you should be financial advisor for The Times

See, that? Right there? That was uncalled-for and caustic. Largely, it seemed, we were in agreement - but you feel the need to be mean-spirited and impolite.

/sigh

If someone makes the assumption that I am too stupid not to buy something I don't want and feels the need to make the point explicit, that is in itself very impolite.

I can assure you that if I wished to be mean-spirited and impolite young Mythal, my comment would have been a lot more barbed and vitriolic than some mild sarcasm that Mr Mystery is more than capable of shrugging off.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:If someone makes the assumption that I am too stupid not to buy something I don't want and feels the need to make the point explicit, that is in itself very impolite.

Were you the OP?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I can assure you that if I wished to be mean-spirited and impolite young Mythal, my comment would have been a lot more barbed and vitriolic than some mild sarcasm that Mr Mystery is more than capable of shrugging off.

But you're being mean-spirited and impolite right now. And you've added condescending to the list. You're in blatant violation of Rule 1, and I fail to see why you're being so belligerent on a topic we seem to be very much in agreement on - which is, if the glue is overpriced there, buy it elsewhere.

Dude, you're complaining about the price of something you have no intention of purchasing. Is that not just a complete waste of time?

This is why I get frustrated with Dakka. The second someone shows a glimmer of actually enjoying their hobby, they get pounced on, and labelled. Meanwhile others will tour any and all threads, claiming to have quite, and moaning on and on about something that, you know, having allegedly quit, doesn't affect them in the slightest. I've been over on Warseer recently, and whilst hardly whinge free, it's a far better place for a general chinwag, as there is a lot less ego driven whinging.

Seriously, as I sit here in my flat, literally surrounded by thousands of pounds worth of models, I do have to wonder, why can't some just enjoy their hobby? I get that some people feel priced out, or are literally priced out. But the vitriol and bile aimed at a company doing nothing any company doesn't do utterly, utterly baffles me.

Dude you are in a thread discussing the mark up on hobby accessories.
Do you think everyone is a sucker because of the GW label? Do you think everyone on this thread is going to say they will gladly pay way over the odds for a product because it is GW

Didn't realise that only members of the GW Sychophant Society were allowed to post on Dakka!

I didn't know wood glue was the same thing, now I do, cheers for telling me, btw, no one at GW told me they were different, I made that assumption based on the fact it was called wood glue.

Should we have kept him in the dark paying more than he needs because you and your buddies in the stores aren't going to inform him?
This is not about ego, it is about free discussion.

Your last comment is your opinion. Not all of us of the same mind and we have a right to tell people that there are other ways of running a business so they are not kept in the dark about products. No one is saying you are not allowed to enjoy your extensive collection. Good luck to you with it.

Hence my post above, don't like the price, don't buy the product.

There are cheaper ways to buy it, so why complain about the higher price? This really is an utterly pointless thread!

No it isn't pointless for the reason I stated above. Good grief man it is your platitudes that are pointless.

If it is platitudes you wish trade in then how about not reading pointless threads? Then you don't get to see all the naughty things people say and get baffled. Let's see if I can do this correctly, here goes...

If you don't like the discussion don't join in the thread.
How did I do?

Better.

So what exactly is your point? GW glue is expensive compared to other sources, so you buy from other sources. Well done, have a biscuit, cup of tea and a bit sit down. But why a thread about it?

I didn't know wood glue was the same thing, now I do, cheers for telling me, btw, no one at GW told me they were different,

This

Mr Mystery, your loyalty to GW is commendable. But plucking out your left eye so you cannot see their faults, and plucking out your right so you cannot see the virtue in others seems like nothing but the deepest folly.

Just a note, Wood Glue is not exactly the same as PVA, they are similar, but Wood Glue can be toxic depending on brand, not that I suspect any folks are drinking the stuff down.

They also grip slightly differently when applied, and wood glue makes a waterproof bond, is usually regarded as stronger bond as well but takes longer to set.

Hence why I use a PVA/Wood Glue mix, a slightly stronger bond, and sets relativiely quicker.

What is sad is that we have spent 5 pages and time talking about simple glue. Sigh!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

I didn't know wood glue was the same thing, now I do, cheers for telling me, btw, no one at GW told me they were different,

This

Mr Mystery, your loyalty to GW is commendable. But plucking out your left eye so you cannot see their faults, and plucking out your right so you cannot see the virtue in others seems like nothing but the deepest folly.

Huh? No, seriously...huh? I see the faults, I just don't give a monkeys. I play the games as a Hobby. The various decisions made by said company don't really affect me. I play GW games because I'm guaranteed opponents. Others, not so much, and as I'm sure you're aware it can be difficult to get others to kick off a new system. Guys up the local club are getting into Malifaux, and I am intrigued. But hobbywise, I have more than enough to be getting on with for the time being, so not looking to kick off a new system. PP games and the styling aren't my bag. I get that many enjoy the more skirmishy level things, but as said, it's not my bag. So how does this become folly?

"I don't see my folly." quoth the blind fool.

So, it's folly because I don't agree with you?

Right. That makes sense....

You know what, you have derailed the thread long enough.

You could if you were so inclined find any number of my posts where I have categorically stated that I have nothing to say against other people enjoying Warhammer.
I have nothing against you doing so either.
But you constantly turn a blind eye to GW's poor management and harange those who speak against it.
You accuse others of whinging whilst whinging yourself.
You accuse others of doing something pointless whilst pointlessly winding up people on this thread.
You fail to see your hypocrisy.
- Edited by insaniak. You can make your point without resorting to name-calling. -

To be fair he sounds like the other GW apologists... where is eldargirl these days?

I think we're done here.