So this has been one of my pet projects for a while, creating civilian vehicles for 40k and i plan to turn it into an article.

For now I'm just gathering ideas of what they ought to look like.

I figure transportation will not look much like it does today. There will be construction/ag vehicles, limos for the elites, trucks to move cargo and not much else. Personal cars grant people a bit too much freedom for the Imperium's taste.

Anyway here are some ideas I've found.

These are my work

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-403_Armored%20Limo.html









And then I've yoinked these from the interwebs

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-19183_Civilian%20Vehicle%20ideas.html


The classic Genestealer cult armored limousines.













Anyone have civilian vehicles they've done?

Also I know at some point I had the Citadel Journal with Tim Huckleberry's Genestealer Cult rules (#40 and 41) which had some great limos made from the black coach and an issue of Necromunda magazine with some great converted ork buggies into Ash Wastes dune buggies but I can't find them. Anyone have scans?

there are the conversions based on the plastic ork truks, which were made into conventional army trucks.

http://davetaylorminiatures.blogspot.com/2009/06/troop-transport-truck-tutorial-part-two.html


The methodology could be repurposed to civilian quite easily.

The Tauros is meant to be a civilian vehicle. The elysian one is a stripped down version of it.

The Tauros isn't really a "common" civilian vehicle. It's a rugged all-terrain vehicle that's common on frontier worlds as a utility or tractor vehicle. They've been converted into combat vehicles by rebels, militias, and are sometimes adopted by Imperial Guard regiments for service.

I don't think we've ever had a 'real' description of the common vehicles of the Imperial citizenry. We've had descriptions of groundcars, stripped down Land Speeders, "hoverbikes" utilizing the anti-grav plates from Land Speeders, things like that.

Interesting topic....

There are several models of a "Rolls-Royce British Armoured Car" that are similar to your Russian one.
http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/p/131549/1338079.aspx

The "40 ton Dragon Wagon Tank Transporter" is exactly how I picture a civilian heavy transport to look. Too bad it cost 100+ US dollars in 1/35 scale.

more pics of it at http://www.tamiyausa.com/articles/feature.php?article-id=194

http://www.accurate-armour.com Has a ton of highly detailed military vehicles including cargo/utility vehicles. Worth a look for sure!

Someday I'd love to scratchbuild these trucks from the game Rise of Legends, to me they look exactly what a 40k truck should be, reconzibly human, a bit primative, and way too big.



Option B looks just about perfect to me. I would only add a crane/robot arm to move the crates.



Some smaller tractors and delivery vehicles.



I have no idea what this is but it looks like something the local tech priest should drive around in just because.

All of these are out of the league for most of us (I'm more of a glue skulls to an existing model kind of guy) but they sure would look great.

I agree! those are cool!

I really like that Option B

They all look good, but not very civilan.

Maybe a train or monorail type thing?

I have been thinking along the same lines for some time. I was wondering if you might be thinking of possible rules for these vehicles. I would love to help.

Some great ideas hear!

Rennoc215 wrote:I have been thinking along the same lines for some time. I was wondering if you might be thinking of possible rules for these vehicles. I would love to help.

I am. Give me a week or so and I'll have idea written up.

Generally I'm thinking of a mission where you have to get a convoy out and adding civilian vehicles as transport options.

We already know what a car would look like in 40k, 9 armor, basic transport capacity. Then we need some rules to differentiate it from tracked military vehicles. How's this?

The Fjord Motors Basicar



9/9/9

12" move transports 5 humans (no one with a save greater than 4+)
2 access points, 2 fire points

Road vehicle - Moves 2d6" extra inches when on a road
Immobilized on a 1, 2 or 3 in difficult terrain

There are a few similar vehicles in a White Dwarf with Necron scenery, and there were rules for civilian vehicles in Rogue Trader.

Those pics from the necromunda/Journal make me drool, what good times.

If there was a place where they could be found as pdfs, and of course there isn't such a place. I wouldn't mind not knowing where it couldn't be found.

A few more thoughts...

Thanks!

I love #2, is that the car from League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?

Yep, the famous car wider that the submarine transporting it. Maybe the movie with the most logic faults

Of couse there are thousand planets with different kinds of transportation, even medieval ones. Here some first sources:

Ramshackle Games http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6
Old Crow. http://www.oldcrowmodels.co.uk/25vehicles.htm (25mm)
Old VOID Junkers had some buggies: http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=59_64&sort=20a&page=4
Steam vehicles: http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/shop/category_9/Steam-tanks.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26
Scotia Grendel has two (one Blade Runner inspired): http://www.scotiagrendel.com/Products/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_42
Star Wars (WoC Miniatures or Action Fleet (second one modified):





Transformer Toy (right scale!) "Bonecrusher":

I produced a skip truck for a necromunda campaign. Some of the ramshakle stuff looks pretty good too in the right setting.



It was quite simple and fun to make, used the back ends of two spare ork trukks and some plasticard, plus other odd scraps I had lying around in my bitz box.

Very interesting topic, I always imagined a vast web of tubes and monorails that intertwine throughout a hive, cutting through buildings, dipping underground and on the verge of falling apart.
I think they've already been mentioned but I can see 'dave taylor' trucks as a standard vehicle used throughout all aspects of the imperium, wether it be troop transport, ambulances, utility vehicles and so on.
Oh and nice work Captain Jack!

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was indeed extraordinary - brilliant visual design (such as the car) tied to a really crap story :(

Back on topic, what sort of civilian vehicles would there be in the Imperium in the year 40000? I'm guessing something like 1950s Russia (and much of Britain for that matter) - very few private vehicles (except for the very rich or politically elite), plenty of 'useful' vehicles like trucks and tractors and buses and trains. Technology level will be all over the place - steam-driven (or even animal-drawn) through to antigrav, most of it very utilitarian looking and much-repaired.

As mentioned above, the ork trukk does indeed make a great civilian truck (if you go to the trouble of de-orkifiying it), and the same is true of the ork battlewagon to make a heavier truck. Expensive though, unless you have a local ork player to buy all the spare orky bits off you.

on hive-worlds I don't see private transportation other than bikes etc being overly common, but on more rural worlds etc they'd likely be a neccessity to get between places.. so it'd depend heavily on the world, tech level or even region of said world.

Also - the League of Extraordinairy Gentlemen books are great, the movie was rather a let down though pretty.

So here's the first few sections of my articles, comments?

there will of course be lots of pictures when it's done.

Introduction

So, in the grim darkness™ of the far future there is only war. Fair enough, who wants to play a miniatures game where you take the role of office workers and students commuting to work each day? But where there's war there's logistics. Soldiers have to eat. Vehicles need fuel. Weapons need ammo. Officers need a swanky ride to the Apotheosis Day reception. Man, Marines and Battle Sisters cannot live on Armored Fighting Vehicles alone.

But despite 30 years of making terrain, premium resin kits and a huge range of plastic vehicles 40k has never had any civilian vehicles. They're often referenced in novels but rarely, if ever, seen in artwork and never in models.

However vehicles are a major part of any community. I'm seen many modelers produce detailed cities, factories and farms but leave out any sign of how people get around. Even GW produces some excellent roads but nothing other than tanks to drive on them.

So let's give this matter some thought.

A (very) Brief History

Rogue Trader had rules for ground cars but they were never really followed up on. There's a reference to the idea that land raiders and other vehicles were originally designed for explorers or for industry and not for war.

Later the original Genestealer Cult rules had armored limos for the magus and patriarch to ride around in in style. But again they didn't appear again and were never made into models.



In 3rd edition Tim Huckleberry's Genestealer Cult in the Citadel Journal list had armored limos and some nice conversions made from the Vampire Counts Black Coach. Later the Vehicle Design Rules specifically listed AV9 as the proper armor for civilian vehicles.

In the early 2000s Specialist Games' Necromunda Magazine had rules for adventures in the Ash Wastes. These rules came with some brilliant conversions for dune buggies and mining vehicles.



Several BL books have mentioned staff cars, delivery trucks and other civilian vehicles but never with much detail. Dan Abnett's novels have referred to the Cargo 6 and Cargo 8 (6 and 8 wheeled trucks) but that's the only name I've found.

Forgeworld has the Sentinel Powerloader and some engineering/recovery vehicles but no trucks or cars for the less glamorous side of war. The Tauros is supposed to be a converted civilian vehicle but there's no information on what the original looked like. It's suggested that Ork trucks and battlewagons are actually looted Imperial civilian vehicles but I've never seen an official picture of what the unlooted ones might look like (though I've seen some good conversions).

And that's about it.

(All this being said I am not all-knowing, if you know of references I missed please let me know.)

Transportation in the Imperium

So here's my take.

On most worlds cars do exist but the situation is much more like the old Soviet Union than the modern US/UK. You need permission to own a vehicle and they are rare. Most people who have them are well off enough to have drivers and guards, they don't drive themselves.

They do this because limiting mobility helps keep people in line. One of the Dune books their God Emperor outlawed the wheel because "it's much easier to control a society where everyone walks". Historically in Edo-era Japan the Tokugawa Shoguns made it illegal to build or maintain roads without permission. Without roads no one could mobilize an army to overthrow them.

They would also be rare due to limited resources, the Imperium is constantly at war and is now being strained to the breaking point. Fuel and parts for civilian vehicles will always be a lower priority than military.

So the vast majority of the Imperium walks or takes some form of mass transit, probably big crowded dirty buses and trains.

But still you need to move people and goods.

So typically in a city you'd have limos, trucks, trains and buses and not much else. Maybe scooters or bikes for messengers. Outside the city you'd have trucks, tractors and other agricultural vehicles. In more wild areas people would some sort of armored vehicle, maybe even a rhino, for transport.

Some of these designs will be STC (Standard Template Construct) models that are standard throughout the Imperium and work on just about any habitable world. Others will be local designs, that might be more primitive than the STC or more advanced but rely on some locally-produced parts or fuel that are not easy to get off world. So one world might have flying air cars but they only work in that world's unique magnetic field, or rely on a rare mineral to make the anti-gravity plates.

We also need to keep in mind that even a peaceful Imperial world is a lot closer to Baghdad than to Cleveland. There are regular riots, bombings and assassinations. Outside the cities we would expect to find bandits, cults and even xenos. An Imperial VIP will want bulletproofing and armor at the very least. Even on a civilian vehicle a few discrete weapons would not be out of place.

A gamer could go crazier with all sorts of scratch builds and conversions. BL books have mentioned worlds with skimmer cars and cargo walkers. But let's assume for the moment that most of the Imperium uses a standard design similar to other 40k vehicles.

Naturally the easiest answer is to just use modern vehicles, there's tons of 1/48 scale toy cars out there already. And that's a fine answer.

The problem would be that many modern vehicles don't fit the look of 40k. It would be a shame to create a dark Gothic battlefield and then put a shiny red sports car in the middle of it. Most 40k vehicles are patterned after WWI and WWII vehicles so that's the era I look to for inspiration on civilian vehicles. Even then familiar vehicles like the Willy Jeep will look out of place so I tried to look for more exotic and unusual choices.

I would say there's nothing saying that the Tauros proper is actually "converted" in any way. It seems like it's fairly stock, just with a gun mounted on it.

The Venator though is definitely converted.

I think that sums up the situation nicely, Kid.

So we need sources of 28mm (or 1:48 scale, to be more practical) 1920s-40s style vehicles, to use either straight or as conversion bases. Sadly, they aren't too common... :(

It all depends up[onm each Imperial world, some do have more or less interesting takes on personal conveyances, in Dead Men Walking the hive had cars one could rent, like taxis, or automated on rail systems. I would also imagine based on "For the Emperor" that busses and trains would also work for the Imp0erium as mass transit would be a workable solution to getting workers from the hab-blocks to their jobs and such.

I would also add engine bits for like tubes and piupes as well as extra tanks for making them look steam powered or other such methods as Prometheum is for the military. Some worlds are mentioned as having skimmer cars, for the elites and the high end spire workers, (Executives and such) employed to run the nobilities businesses. Tamiya has been making nice 1/48scale WW-II vehicles for several nations. The Japanese coupe looks like a nice low budget personal car for a midhiver.


http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/category.php?sub-id=10500










Here is always an odd truck not seen in film.



Good city official car




That mid-hiver personal car


Heckuva enforcement patrol car


General use tractor



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Other odd vehicles in 28mm scale from that era here: http://store.warlordgames.co.uk/28mm-ww2-bolt-action-101-c.asp

Looks like Tamiya blocks hotlinking, can you copy them into the Dakka gallery?

Odd, I am seeing the right now. very strange. Okay for those unable to see them, I did as Kid Kyoto suggested

utilitarian vehicles, most likely what some mid-to high rankers would get to have option to have in 40K
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An amphib for watery marshy worlds.
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A more luxurious model for hivers with some pull, or a mass production car/taxi.
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High official's car, including chief magistrate of enforcement or even an Inquisitor?
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Speaking of enforcers, I can see this as a great Police or factory owner's car, depending on bitz and paintwork.
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Mid-Hiver's coupe, for managers and other types of the mid hives and such. Bachelors, not so much a family car.
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With a slick paint job, this could be a Mayoral transport, or other official city beaurocrats' ride
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For enforcers or other official city business
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Now this one is hardly seen in films, and could also be for enforcement or a business truck
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Definitely IG/PDF use type vehicle.
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I see this and can't help painting it with "Mrs. Lovetts' meat pies" "why settle for soya?"
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Definitely for construction ideas or terrain where it was left quickly!
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These all look very nice but what about that mainstay of the urban battlefield, the burned out wreck? Anyone have any destroyed civilian vehicles as terrain set pieces? I think these would make a more realistic feel.

Bombastic wrote:These all look very nice but what about that mainstay of the urban battlefield, the burned out wreck? Anyone have any destroyed civilian vehicles as terrain set pieces? I think these would make a more realistic feel.

With the right conversion touch, any of these could be made to look burned out, shot up, crushed, etc.

@shasolenzabi - seems like once you've seen the image on their site it's in your cache and you can see it here but otherwise it's just broken links.

Thanks for the post, I have 2 of those kits but I see quite a few more worth getting.

Bombastic wrote:These all look very nice but what about that mainstay of the urban battlefield, the burned out wreck? Anyone have any destroyed civilian vehicles as terrain set pieces? I think these would make a more realistic feel.

The best I've seen is here:

http://www.combatzonechronicles.net/cozo8/pcar.htm





It uses a Plasticville car (basically the Mercury Coupe I linked to earlier).

What a fantastic thread, I can't believe I haven't seen this before! Thanks so much for the inspiration, everyone. The walker and JCB from the magazine are probably my favourites so far!

I've been playing around with some Ramshackle vehicle kits to make vehicles for my ash wastes-style Necromunda gangs. Bought the parts individually then used some plasticard to change the shape a little and threw in some 40k gubbins. All their vehicle kits seem really interchangable though, so I totally recommend them. (Be prepared to do a LOT of cleaning up though - thick mould release, tons of flash etc. Worth it IMO!)





Obviously, they're WIP. Hope you like though!

IMHO a Volkswagen Beetle or Ford Pickup would destroy the illusion of a SciFi setting 40k years in the future on a distant planet. There are historical games where they fit, in 40k they look like misplaced proxies.

Kroothawk wrote:IMHO a Volkswagen Beetle or Ford Pickup would destroy the illusion of a SciFi setting 40k years in the future on a distant planet. There are historical games where they fit, in 40k they look like misplaced proxies.

I definitely agree, modellers should reach for more obscure vehicles or do some work to alter the iconic shapes. Something like this would be great



Of course I do kind of like the idea that the VW Beetle is such a good design it's still in service 40,000 years from now. If someone did a whole city filled with VW Beetles I wouldn't object.

Anyway if you want to see the one and only set of official rules for cars in 40k:

Who's to say a design may not get reproduced by simple odds/accident?

And here's part 2, an indepth treatment of what sort of cars you're likely to find in the Imperium. Sorry for the lack of pictures, I have them in my word doc but no easy way to post them here.

Most of them are in my Civilian Vehicle gallery anyway.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-19183_Civilian%20Vehicle%20ideas.html


Scooters and carts

Bicycles, scooters and motorbikes will probably exist in most Imperial cities. People still have to move and these are cheap and easy ways to do it.

Motor rickshaws are common in India, China and other developing countries as a way to move both goods and people. In many Imperial cities I would expect these to be the most common motor vehicles.

Historically there's the German Kettenkard which is available in 1/48 scale from Tamiya.


Ramshackle games makes a crude motorcycle cart (the Armored Toad).


And it should be easy to convert one from a Ork wartrack or a Marine bike.

Many companies make civilian motorcycles including Ramshackle, Reaper, EM4, Urban Mammoth and Westwind. Wargames Foundry also has a few bicycles.

And of course animal and human pulled carts would be common even on the most developed worlds where motor vehicles are available. The Imperium is an empire with a vast underclass and their betters would rather see them doing backbreaking labor than sitting idle and getting into trouble.

Town Cars/Sedans

In the road-wheeler category Rogue Trader gave us the mighty City Car.


Inconspicuous enough for a bank raid – fast enough for a dash to the spaceport – common enough to re-sell with no questions asked. But design-wise it looks more like a generic futuristic car and really does not fit the retro-tech look of 40k.
But it does have a 10% chance of flight!




There are many 28mm or 1/48 scale cars available as toys and models. Generally we're looking for boxier and somewhat retro ones over sleek modern sports cars.



These vehicles would be more restrained and drab, they're for petty officials and wealthy merchants not for the true upper class of the Imperium. But they would still be fancier than most modern cars.

Tamiya makes some 1/48 WWII staff cars that also work well.







If you want to bulk up your motor pool quickly you might look at the old Plasticville cars, they're the right scale and they have a nice 50s vibe but need a lot of work to make them look decent.



Combat Zone Chronicles has a nice tutorial on turning one into a wreck.



http://www.combatzonechronicles.net/cozo8/pcar.htm



Armored Limousine

These will be the more striking civilian models and ones most unlike real world vehicles. The Imperium is not about subtlety or good taste, I would expect that the real elites have vehicles covered in angels, skulls, pipes and other excesses.



The original Genestealer limos are a good place to start and they'll only get more outrageous from there.


Something like this, only not so restrained.

For my Inquisiton force (RIP… damn you Mat Ward!) I started a stealth limo. I started with an Italeri 1/35 scale German armored car kit (Sd. Kfz. 232 6 Rad if you're interested).



I left off the turret and added 40k bitz to create the Gran Salon, a coffin-shaped limo with a pop-up turret and pop-out heavy bolter that can double as a Chimera.



Rolling Palaces

And for the very highest ranks, the cardinals, the planetary governors, the rogue traders, things would get even more absurd.



A lot of the most striking 40k vehicles came about when Jes Goodwin or John Blanche saw a fortress, castle or cathedral and said "not bad, but wouldn't it be better on top of tank treads, a giant robot or a mile-long starship?"

So I would expect the ultimate in luxery to be a literal palace on wheels, two lanes wide, three stories tall, covered in statues, skulls, angels and eagles and towering over anything else on the road. I can't wait until someone builds one.

Jeeps/SUVs/Hummers

Off road vehicles are a common sight in any developing country where roads range from poor to non-existent. In the Imperium they would be vital for anyone who has to move around outside a city, or even into rough neighborhoods. Law enforcement, farmers, merchants and the military would all have a need for something that can go anywhere but is smaller and lighter than a tank or an APC.



Forgeworld makes the Tauros Assault Vehicle which they describe as "a common sight on many frontier worlds within the Imperium, where it is used as a utility vehicle."


There is also a very common conversion, the Land Speeder jeep (Land Runner?).



This is one of the best I've seen and while it's clearly a military vehicle it can be an inspiration for what people might drive on farms and in the wilderness.

WWII presents us with a host of options like this one:




Both Old Crow and Void make wheeled jeeps that look great for 40k.

Trucks

Trucks are the lifeblood of any city or settlement. They move raw materials to factories, food from farms and haul the trash away when everything is over. Put some benches in them and they can move troops, prisoners or workers. It's hard to imagine how a city could function without them (maybe lots of pneumatic tubes? Conveyer belts? Servitors? But I digress).

Imperial trucks would follow the basic rules of all Imperial technology – big, ugly and dirty.

A full sized 18 wheeler would be longer than a Baneblade (though more narrow) but since Imperial cities tend to be cramped and shorter trucks would probably be more practical. And since everything in the Imperium is strained to its limits they'd be piled high and overloaded.





40k vehicles are also old and well-used. I imagine that Imperial truckers like truckers in India and Japan might extensively customize their vehicles with religious images, skulls (of course!) and other personalizations. Alternately they might belong to a company or trading house and kept deliberately drab to save money and so as not to attract bandits.




I use some die-cast toy trucks I found in China. They're old Soviet designs so they already have the big, ugly and dirty look we want. I'd like to make a removable set of cargo for them so they can transport troops or goods.
There is a wealth of WWII and modern truck kits out there so we really are spoiled for choice. Most seem to be in 1/35 but with some work that scale can look OK in 40k.






If you'd like an unconventional design there's this bit of concept art from the video game Rise of Legends.



It would a difficult scratch build but certainly captures the Imperial aesthetic better than a WWII truck with a skull on it.
Old Crow also does a nice science fiction truck that's not too expensive.


Finally Dave Taylor, one of finest modelers around, converted Ork Trukks into spectacular Imperial troop trucks (a rare care of reverse looting). I really like how he made sure these could count as Chimeras in a game.



http://davetaylorminiatures.blogspot.com/

His templates for this conversion are here:

http://davetaylorminiatures.blogspot.com/search/label/Truck%20Template



Buses

Buses are harder to find ideas for and it's tempting to just use trucks with some benches and call it a day. Like trucks I would imagine they are big, dirty, old and overloaded.



Sloppy Jalopy does an old London bus in the right scale.



Yellow school buses might also work.


They tend to be boxy and retro and once painted another color may not look out of place. Especially if you can cover the roof with luggage or passengers.

I saw some great old Soviet designs.


But prices start in the 100s of dollars.

http://russiancarandtruckmodels.hypermart.net/forsale7.html

Trains

Most of what I said for trucks and buses would apply to trains as well.



In fact the Imperium probably likes trains better than buses or trucks since they're easier to control, they can only go where the tracks go. No wandering off.

And yeah, they'd probably look a little like this



(I feel like I'm picking on India at this point, I'm really not trying to, it's just that's what keeps coming up.)

But for gaming trains are problematic. There's plenty of models out there, 'O' scale is the closest to 28mm, that's not the problem. The problem is size. A 28mm train would absolutely dominate a board effectively cutting it in half and blocking line of sight. It could be an interesting set up but not for a normal game.

A shorter tram might work better.



Ramshackle Games makes this little number which can work as a train or a road vehicle.

Armored Cars

Wheeled armored cars are one of my favorite places to look for good bulky designs. These vehicles would be popular for any number of roles in the Imperium. As I mentioned earlier Imperial worlds are dangerous places beset by wars, riots, invasions and bandits. In a climate like that armored cars might just be the norm.

And it's not hard to make them look less military by taking off the turret and adding some stowage. Avoid tracked or half track vehicles since they look too military.

Dragon makes some Russian armored cars from between the wars that look perfectly Grimdark



I converted some into armored cargo trucks. I see them as the 40k equivalent of a stage coach or covered wagon making the run through the dangerous wilderness between settlements laden with passengers and cargo.




Old Crow has an extensive line of wheeled APCs, which can become civilian armored cars simply by subtracting the turrets.

Interesting stuff, although I have to admit those Realms of Legend concepts have me planning more orky vehicles

Not been able to find any kits, but how about the classic bubble cars for personal civvy transport?

The old bubble cars (to me) look too curvy and go against my idea that transport in the Imperium is tightly controlled.

they might be good for messengers but why would the Imperium be concerned about anyone's comfort (barring the top folks of course). Messengers would get bikes.

However they would be a great starting point for a tau city. I really think the Tau are the equivlent of a modern consumer culture while the Imperium is closer to the old Soviet bloc.

I always imagined imperial vehicles looking something like this, quite blocky and much bigger than they need to be...



I couldn't find the car pic I was looking for though :(

Also very worthwhile checking out my friends blog to see some of the scratch building work that he has done recently.

http://ajsgamingworld.blogspot.com/2011/06/guard-troop-truck-and-converted.html

Well, many worlds across the Imperium have varied degrees of social orders, even up to local democracies, (but the Governor still follows the Pax Imperialis, and tithes accordingly) So, in my view of the Imperium of Man, anything goes, some places have air cars and so on. But expensive, so many folks may have to be in very good jobs or save a long while to have a personal vehicle, some settling for the barest for their needs, such as the rickshaws and other stripped down machines.,

Oooh, sudden temptation to convert an ork battlewagon into a civilian bus, by lengthening the frame then adding an unarmoured body on top. The tracks might look a little too weird though.

Even a stretched trukk would be a good base for a smaller bus.

there's also the arvus lighter from forgeworld. that could easily be used for civilian stuff.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:IMHO a Volkswagen Beetle or Ford Pickup would destroy the illusion of a SciFi setting 40k years in the future on a distant planet. There are historical games where they fit, in 40k they look like misplaced proxies.

I definitely agree, modellers should reach for more obscure vehicles or do some work to alter the iconic shapes. Something like this would be great

Of course I do kind of like the idea that the VW Beetle is such a good design it's still in service 40,000 years from now. If someone did a whole city filled with VW Beetles I wouldn't object.

Anyway if you want to see the one and only set of official rules for cars in 40k:
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If memory serve me right there is another place for actual civy vehicle rules. I'm pretty sure the old VDR rules in 3rd/4th ed mention them with a AR value of 8 or 9. It had a short bit on all vehicles being AR 10 all the way round on the battlefield, and that lower AR's could and should be used for civillian vehicles for scenarios.

They're in Chapter Approved either 2002, 2003, or 2004 I believe (I seem to have lost my copy, which bugs as they had the Raven Guard codex as well which I'd LOVE to have in addition to the VDR rules).

I use CA-2004 as that was the last year they did that compilation, and yes, the VDR is in there as well as Tau/Necron VDR

I'd like to see some vehicles modeled that represent the dichotomous nature of technology in the Imperium. Imagine places with corrupted STC designs. A horse drawn all terrain buggy or a anti-grav handcar.

Noticing this thread is about civilian vehicles, its doesn't state Land Vehicles! Whats about Boats and Airvehicles, I would like a the Guncutter from Eisenhorn. Or a personal flyer of a Upper Hive merchant or some dignitary, that or an Adeptus Arbites Gunship (like a cross between a Police Helicopter and a "Hind" Gunship) although it wouldn't strictly be civilian!

Arvus landers and Aquila shuttles are listed for civilian as well as Rogue trader use.

On the contrary, I feel that the VW Bug would add a great amount of humor to the story . Imagine a space marine punching another saying "Green One!"

I believe there should be some fluff shouldn't there?

Oh, there's that scratch built Apoc Train they did too. Sort of civilian.

Howard A Treesong wrote:There are a few similar vehicles in a White Dwarf with Necron scenery, and there were rules for civilian vehicles in Rogue Trader.

Those pics from the necromunda/Journal make me drool, what good times.

If there was a place where they could be found as pdfs, and of course there isn't such a place. I wouldn't mind not knowing where it couldn't be found.

I've got a copy of the ash wastes vehicle generation rules somewhere (with pics) as pdfs. I got them from the OLD GW site.
There is a site where the old necro stuff is archived - but the bookmark is on my old computer, stored in the windows directory somewhere, and I can't access it atm, so I'm finding my old bookmarks via trial and error and luck. I might be able to relocate it.

I think a conversion of a Stormraven gunship into an Arbite Gunship is in order here, either that or something like a Van Saar Flyer. I could do the whole Anime style tech for Van Saar with some Tau extra's.

I thought you might find this interesting

http://www.scribd.com/doc/31440376/Dark-Heresy-Apocrypha-Vehicles

morbidprogeny over at the Eastern Fringe Forums was building a brilliant cargo hauling vehicle for a Necromunda Ash Wastes Journeyman gang.

http://easternfringe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4927

I've been toying around with creating a civilian walker to use as a cargo hauler for my own Journeyman gang, going off the assumption that a walker would be able to handle rough terrain better than a wheeled or tracked vehicle.

I really like this thread you've put together, as it hits a side of 40K that isn't usually considered. I suppose Forgeworld has made some attempts (their Sentinal Powerlifter fits the civilian feel quite well).This is the sort of area that really shines when used for skirmish scale games like Necromunda (Ash Wastes) and Inquisimunda.

And here's part 3/3

The earlier parts have all been revised and I hope to get the final version up this weekend, so check it out and let me know what you think!

Using Civilian Vehicles in 40k

The quickest and easiest use is to have them count as something already in the game. Both my armored limo and Dave Taylor's trucks are designed to count as Chimeras. Many people have used jeeps as Sentinels.

Another easy idea that works in every game is to make them terrain. Either model them as damaged or destroyed or just assume they are inoperable/out of fuel. Cars can provide some low cover for infantry models or even tanks. Trucks can block line of sight and become major obstacles. It might seem like a lot of work to make something a rock or wall could do but you'll find they add a lot to the typical battlefield, making it look more realistic and lived in.

They can also be characterful objectives. A supply truck is an obvious prize. An armored limo might have a valuable prisoner on board.

As a house rule or a special scenario you can have neutral vehicles either side can use. Give them stats and place them in neutral territory for either side to take advantage of. This might require stretching the fluff a bit; sure we can all see Guardsmen, Tau or Orks driving a car. Marines might have to rip out the seats or even the roof but I can see it working. Maybe the Eldar have a squad member who's been reading up on primitive vehicular technology. But daemons? Necrons? Tyranids? Maybe there's a civilian driver aboard they can intimidate.

Finally you can write them into a narrative scenario where a VIP or a convoy must make it to friendly lines.

If you play Fantasy Flight Games' 40k RPGs like Dark Heresy you'll probably find a need to include some civilian vehicles for the characters and their foes. This fan article has some ideas for rules:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/31440376/Dark-Heresy-Apocrypha-Vehicles

Rules and Stats for Civilian Vehicles

Below are some thoughts on common civilian vehicles. These rules are not at all exhaustive but offer a starting point on how to use them.

Although the 40k vehicle rules are pretty robust, accommodating everything from Ork buggies to Imperiator Titans but there are some small adjustments to make for civilian vehicles.

As the old Vehicle Design Rules notes they should have armor 9. Most will have armor 9 all around, but 'bulletproof' vehicles will have AV10 or 11.

Most 40k vehicles are tracked or designed for all terrain, they move relatively slowly (just twice as fast a jogging man) but cross broken ground and most obstacles with ease. Civilian vehicles are faster but generally need roads to perform at their best and get bogged down easily when going off road.

And of course most civilian vehicles are not designed to accommodate armored warriors, soldiers in carapace or power armor won't fit in most vehicles.

So I suggest the following rules to simulate the flimsier nature of civilian vehicles.

Road vehicle – This vehicle is designed to run on smooth roads where it can achieve considerable speed. On a road it may move an additional 2d6" (normally vehicles get a 1d6" bonus). However it lacks the off-road and rough terrain abilities of other more robust vehicles. It is immobilized on a 1, 2 or 3 in difficult terrain.

Off Road vehicle – This vehicle has some off-road ability but is not as rugged as tracked military vehicles. It is immobilized on a 1 or 2 in difficult terrain.

Cramped – This vehicle is not designed to accommodate armored warriors and does not have large hatches. It may not transport any model with a save greater than 5+

The Hermes Motors Coupe – 15 Points

Personal cars are an almost unimaginable luxury in the Imperium. The ability to travel anywhere (well anywhere you have a permit for) without being pressed among thousands of other Imperial subjects is a privilege reserved for only the top tier. The Hermes Motors Coupe is a town car is used by mid-ranked officials from one end of the galaxy to the other allowing them to be whisked from work to home in style and comfort. The oversized engine gives them a feeling of power while the narrow windows provide some protection against snipers, petrol bombs and other hazards of daily life.



Armor: 9/9/9

12" move
Transports 5 models
2 access points, 2 fire points

Cramped – this vehicle is not designed to accommodate armored warriors and does not have large hatches. It may not transport any model with a save greater than 5+

Road vehicle – Model G Town Cars are designed to run on smooth roads where they can achieve considerable speed. On a road they may move an additional 2d6". However they lack the off-road and rough terrain abilities of other more robust vehicles. They are immobilized on a 1, 2 or 3 in difficult terrain.

Bullet Proofing (10 points) – A Coupe may mount additional armor for protecting the occupants. This improves the armor to 10/10/9 but reduces the bonus for driving on a road to 1d6" and eliminates the fire points.

The Iron Ox Armored Car – 30 points

Another popular vehicle in all parts of the Imperium is the venerable Iron Ox. This armored car is tough enough to withstand most small arms and has the space to transport both cargo and passengers through rough wilderness and rougher underhives. Properly maintained an Iron Ox can run for centuries. It's not uncommon to meet drivers with Iron Oxen not just older than they are, but older even than their grandparents and great-grandparents.

It can be found on almost any world used to move passengers of every type. Fleets of them line up at spaceports and land train stations waiting to carry visitors to their lodgings. They serve as ambulances for the sick and injured or meat wagons for dead. Designs vary from world to world but the basic cassis is as familiar to an Imperial subject as the Aquila itself.







Armor: 10/10/9

12" move
Transports 10 models
2 access points, 1 fire point

Cramped – this vehicle is not designed to accommodate armored warriors and does not have large hatches. It may not transport any model with a save greater than 5+

Off Road vehicle – Iron Oxen have some off-road ability but are not as rugged as tracked military vehicles. They are immobilized on a 1 or 2 in difficult terrain.

Turret (15 points) – An Iron Ox is often retrofitted with a defensive turret. For 15 points you may mount a turret with a twin linked heavy stubber, heavy bolter or heavy flamer. This reduces the transport capacity to 5 however.


The Salon Royale Armored Limousine – 50 points

Across the Imperium there is one name synonymous with luxury and that name is Royce Benz. And their premier vehicle, the first choice for wealthy merchants, high-ranking officials and visiting off-worlders is the Salon Royale. No other vehicle delivers the comfort, style and security of this armored limousine. The interior of rich Catachani leather brings joy to the senses while the discrete pop-up turret brings relief to the mind.








Armor: 12/10/10

12" move
Transports 10 models
2 access points
BS3

High-quality Road vehicle – The Salon Royale is designed to run on smooth roads where it can achieve considerable speed. On a road it may move an additional 2d6". Due to its high-quality construction and fine Mordian Engineering it is only immobilized on a roll of a 1 in difficult terrain.

Turret – The Salon Royale is designed to offer the finest in luxury and security. All models are equipped with a discreet pop-up turret to deter bandits, assassins and rioters. The turret may be equipped with a heavy bolter, heavy flamer or multi-laser.

Hull weapon – As an additional deterrent the Salon Royale may have a front-mounted heavy bolter or heavy flamer for 10 points.




The Long March Truck 25 points

One of thousands of 3-ton trucks found throughout the Imperium the Long March is a rugged, versatile model used by PDF and Imperial Guard forces as well as civilian companies to move men, fuel, equipment and goods.




Armor: 9/9/9

12" move
Transports 20 models
Open topped
BS3

Off Road vehicle – Trucks have some off-road ability but are not as rugged as tracked military vehicles. They are immobilized on a 1 or 2 in difficult terrain.

The Fjord Motors Land Runner

Fjord Motors is an ancient and revered manufacturing house whose storied history goes back before the founding of the Imperium, some say all the way back to Holy Terra itself. The Land Runner is a classic design capable of going almost anywhere and easily armed to defend itself. Land Runners are common vehicles in wastelands and wilderness areas and often seen in the service of PDF and Imperial Guard units.

The main limitations is the lack of space, the vehicle can carry two seated passengers, a third in the optional turret and two on the running boards. It's more suited for patrols or quick strikes than transportation. However Fjord also makes a longer version called the Land Runner Storm that can carry eight models.




There's a tutorial here:
http://forums.tauonline.org/conversion/8479-gun-jeep-walkthrough.html


Armor: 10/10/10

Fast
Transports 5 models
Open topped
BS3





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Earlier I mentioned Tim Huckleberry's GS cult list, well I emailed him and he sent along some pictures of his armored limos. Check them out!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-518-19378_Tim%20Huckleberry%20Genestealer%20Cult.html

Howard A Treesong wrote:Oh, there's that scratch built Apoc Train they did too. Sort of civilian.

That was for adeptus mechanicus.

Orinoco wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Oh, there's that scratch built Apoc Train they did too. Sort of civilian.

That was for adeptus mechanicus.

Anyone have pictures? I'd be happy to include it.

I was referring to the gamesday one. the blue one was made and used in an ultramarines vs nids pictorial. polar fortress etc. the mechanicus one was black and very, very long. I'll have a look when I get off work.

Depraved wrote:

Sweet grimdark Jeebus on a pogo stick. that is beautiful.

One thing I'd suggest on the vehicle rules is to clarify Cramped to exclude models with better than 5+ armor saves, and also to disallow them transporting anything that counts as two models for transport capacity. As is, a Ministorum Priest or a Wyche couldn't fit in a Cramped vehicle (4+ Invulnerable saves) while an Ogryn or Grotesque could (Bulky as a special rule but low armor saves).

One word: Ramshackle

i have this bad boy:


hes painted now and i kinda need a leamon russ so i probs got another convertion on the way

I've posted this elsewhere but here's mine. It's a fisher price toy with new wheels, a removable roof and a modified dump area so you can put models in there.



more about it here
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/369049.page

http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=1/32%20dub%20city&origkw=1%2F32+dub+city+&f=Taxonomy/TRUS/2254197&sr=1

dub city 1/32

there is a pick-up that is perfect scale (armored one as well), the rest are a bit large, and the diesel is smallish, but worth a look, at walmart as well...

I have the 1/32 Jada Battle Machines armored pickup from the line that rexscarlet mentions above. It's almost sci-fi enough to pass with minimal modification. With different wheels and a new grill, (get rid of the chevy logo) it might work.

I modified mine a bit for post-apoc, but it's still clearly an upgunned modern truck and not sci-fi

So, still very much WIP, but I thought I'd throw it up on here before it gets orkified.



Basically a series of small flat-beds, tacked and wheeled. The plan is to have removable cabs and coupling devices. Singly they count as buggies. Remove the cab from one and attach it to the back of another to form a trukk. Big line of them = orky land train

truks are good. id use a deffroller at the front though.

There's something very cute about the single wheel under the sentinel cockpit, I may steal the idea for one of my own conversions

If I ever get around to making a sweet ride for my orlocks I will post it here. In the mean time thanks for all the inspirational images

Here's an inspiring civilian looking vehicle from ironhands.com
More info on the conversion at the bottom of this page: http://www.ironhands.com/votomsminis.htm


The GW figure in the very back of the bed indicates that it's a nice match for 28mm.

It's kitbashed/converted from this matchbox "mega rig" series vehicle or one like it.


At 30 bucks at TRU ( http://www.toysrus.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=matchbox%20mega&origkw=matchbox+mega&f=Taxonomy/TRUS/2254197&sr=1) I'll be watching the clearance aisle, but it gives me one more line of vehicles to keep an eye out for. A google of matchbox mega rig brings alot of other vehicles with Sci-Fi potential.

I disagree, Throughout the Eisenhorn, Ravenor, Gaunts Ghosts, and Caiphas Cain novels, staff cars, private land cars (and hover models) are often described as sleek, with curved panel and fender lines. A Cargo Eight is also often referred to as a common munitorum vehicle. When I read these, I am often given images in my minds eye of a mix of sleek 1930's-esque and traditional 40k STC sharp lines. The statement that private cars give too much freedom is not true in my opinion. Having said that, everything I see here is commendable and looks absolutely perfect. thanks everyone. I am definately going to put civvy vehicles on my future project plans!

The genestealer cult transport limo was a curvaceous 30's-50's style large sedan. So there's really no need to grimdark its appearance with card or anything. Probably just make some believable 40k wheels and decide if it's in poor shape and rust and weather it, or if it's immaculate. I remember a convoy in a WD based on Armageddon where the vehicles were pretty much all sentinels with truck bodies. I don't really agree, I see the sort of pseudo 50's look from Gears of War as the civilian look of the IoM. Just look at the military equipment vs civilian from the 30-50's civvie stuff is smooth and sleek and the mil stuff is blocky and riveted. It fits perfectly into 40k

When considering civilan vehicles in 40k, what should strike someone is the multitude of options you have. Both because of their aparent scarcity in the fluff, and because when they are described, they are described in many different ways on many different planets.

IMHO, all that is necessary is to find someway to make it appear futurisic or at least different from modern vehicles, and someway to make it fit in with 40k. For me and my terrain which is all focused on my desert/outpost terrain, this takes the form of blocky vehicles with exagerated features, but the fluff provides more than enough room for designs incorporating vintage streamline moderne and raygun gothic stylings like those mentioned buy the two posts above.

Bit of threadcromancy here but I'm finally going ahead with the article version of this, check it out here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k

Nice little article

Little?

I've only ported over 11 pages of the 92 in my word doc.

When I'm done this will be the authoratiative work on transport in the 41st millennium!

That will be awesome!! If I were an imperial civilian, I would be riding in a tauros with some sweet stuff! And a flame paint job!

What I am looking to do is some retro-metabolising of the Ork Battlewagon.

Considering, from what I have been told, that Orks don't manufacture their vehicles, they just repair and re-purpose things others have discarded. This then, to me at least, begs the question "What was a Battlewagon" built from? What was it Before the Orks got their green little paws on it?"

So I bought one, removed the Ork-y gliphs and the teeth from the front, mentally left off the tracks on the rear and replaced them with wheels, and left off the Ork building on the rear and the turrets. What, in my minds eye at least, I was left with was the cab of a 16 wheeler. Probably an imperial vehicle, either for transport of civilian goods around imperial worlds, or the military equivalent.

This then sparked the idea of an imperial military transport of some sort, but I would have to scratch build the trailer for it. I didn't want fabris to be part of it, and I can't work thin GS or other filler well, so curtainsider was out. The I remembered that the British military don't use articulated trucks much, preferring the 7.5 tonne for the main transport of stuff, it would have to be something big to require a 16 wheeler.

OK, so what is the biggest thing in the imperium to require land transport? IG superheavy is the biggest thing that could be taken anywhere by road, so yes, a tank transporter it will be! That means either a delivery vehicle taking superheavies from the manufactorum to a lift facility to take them off-world and into the fight, or a multi-purpose transporter deisgned to take either a single SH, 2 LRs, or 3-4 Rhinos from a beachhead to near the front on a planet under attack.

Considering that the dedicated SH transport would be the easiest to make ............................... Yes, I decided to go for the multi-purpose transport.

Then the project ground to a halt. I don't like the wheels with the kit, and re-mastering and then moulding multiple sets just seemed like a lot of work. I will presumably have to do some moulding to produce enough suspension sets to do both the rear of the truck and the trailer, but the more of that I have to do, the less likely I am to pick up the project again, and the longer it will take me to gather materials and produce them. Also this would be my first 2 half mould, and that is also putting me off. I want to do doubles on both rear axles of the truck, and of course on the trailer, although the trailer wheels I envisioned as the size of bike wheels rather than battlewagon wheels.

I don't suppose anyone can help me out a bit? Anyone know a supplier of good quality Imperial design wheels that would be available in both Battlewagon and Bike sizes?

(Sorry if this is in the wrong area, or considered a thread hi-jack, but am suffering with back and a killer headache can't concentrate.)

http://members.multimania.nl/Pil3/Miniatures/Battlecars/battlecars-08.jpg

Something like this, without the gun? That could work well.

Unless you have finally defined how a 40k "Cargo Eight" looks, as referred to in the Gaunt's Ghost's novels, it isn't complete...yet

A potential idea could be converted military vehicles. After all, STC patterns such as the Rhino, Chimera and Salamander are so ubiquitous they could easily be modified for public transport. In the Planetstrike book there are some chimeras and a baneblade converted into construction vehicles. The board is in Warhammer World in Nottingham, for those who want to see it.

As you have detailed several yellow construction vehicles you might want to add the Forgeworld Sentinel Powerlifter as this is really a non-combative vehicle and the only they have officially produce, though they have given rules for it to use the claw offensively.

The Rhino was originally an STC vehicle for civilian use anyways.

Yes, the Sentinel Power Lifter as well. I do remember in Courage and Honour a crazy preacher went round in a big red Rhino.

Some of the Ramshackle vehicles are great for civilian/junker vehicles.

http://shop.ramshacklegames.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6

good stuff! looking forward to the next update.

I like the idea of a self-contained factory that you can just drop from orbit like a drop pod. Dump in any local metal, press the button and out pops a piping hot rhino!

i guess that image is straight of some strategy game ...

That is what I envision an STC being anyways.

i think that is why the rhino is so damn boxy looking anyway... simple and massproduced = simple forms...= rhino...^^

I forget which novel it was, but some SM chapter had an ancient Rhino in their hall of relics. The thing was thousands of years old, and once a year, they pressed the rune of activation and the thing fired up every time. I'd like to see a Chevy or Ford do that! lol

I've always assumed either its mass transportation with no personal transport execpt for those higher up, such as huge trains or even buses.

Utility wise i've read mention of trucks and other cargo loader like machines.

I personally built a Dragon Wagon from a Battle Wagon with all manner of parts on it.
simple idea being it used to be used on the planet to salvage wrecks and other valuble things that the citizens could use, and the 'Wagon itself was built out of nessecity for that job.

As for Mechanicus transportation I would imagine anythign they fancy on building would do.

well... i think for such a car you should turn it on more often then^^

Is your sig the tank from Red Alert? The dragon Wagon kicks ass btw!

to answer your quesiton yes the sig is the Apocolypse Tank from Red Alert 3. i wanted a baneblade but couldn't find picture small enough. An Apoc Tank would make a very cool Super heavy though


edit: the Dragon Wagon has the front bull bars (or would it be Grox Bars?) with a plate that says "I Win" the Rear ramps on the trialer on the rear also say something. look at it from the back it says "You" on the left and "Lose" on the right.

dsteingass wrote:I forget which novel it was, but some SM chapter had an ancient Rhino in their hall of relics. The thing was thousands of years old, and once a year, they pressed the rune of activation and the thing fired up every time. I'd like to see a Chevy or Ford do that! lol

LOL I think it was salamanders, Its in the rhino fluff

Engine of War wrote:I've always assumed either its mass transportation with no personal transport execpt for those higher up, such as huge trains or even buses.

Utility wise i've read mention of trucks and other cargo loader like machines.

I personally built a Dragon Wagon from a Battle Wagon with all manner of parts on it.
simple idea being it used to be used on the planet to salvage wrecks and other valuble things that the citizens could use, and the 'Wagon itself was built out of nessecity for that job.

As for Mechanicus transportation I would imagine anythign they fancy on building would do.

Nice truck, can I add it to the article?


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Just added the next section on cars.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k#Cars%2C_vans%2C_SUVs_and_Pickup_Trucks

Stay tuned for jeeps, trucks and other modes of transport.

you should look into weety´s armored truck... she recently started to make vehicles...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/s/i/at/at2/2011/11/15/1d7d42832c31fdfaf8464f217ae8cccb_29449.jpg

As it happens, I've spent the last year collecting battered old diecasts from ebay, giving them a lick of olive drab, and buying various bits as loads. And my camera's broke, so you'll have to imagine:

First up, buy one and see if it "looks" right size wise: I've samples of 28mm, 1/56, 1/60, 1/43, 1/48, 1/35 and 1/32, each looks "right" if kept with similar models in the same scale, but not so good if mixed.

So, I've found old 1950's Lone Star tractor units, with various Lone Star/ Corgi/ Matchbox (king size) trailers work ok for my Guard loggies and engineers' transport.
Loads, you can make up from GW spares, or cheaper go on ebay and look for "code 3", all sorts of resin/plastic/metal goodies there.

Lone Star/ Crescent/ Britains also do some suitable diecast armoured cars, and you could look at some of Corgi/ Dinky sci-fi stuff like the Captain Scarlet SPV or UFO's SHADO truck/tank. Mostly, these are cheap, cheap, cheap, say £3 for a tractor unit and maybe £ 5 for a semi trailer; they're diecast, so heavy, and even if a bit battered there are plenty of third party spares shops on the net, God forbid, it may even give you a new hobby.

Camera now fixed, here goes[img]

The internet's your friend here, although you'll likely kill a week just looking.

Photos once my camera's fixed, but my loggie "convoy" of about 20 rigs will happily stretch 8 feet and that makes for a nice target- rich environment, or a great objective?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Engine of War wrote:I've always assumed either its mass transportation with no personal transport execpt for those higher up, such as huge trains or even buses.

Utility wise i've read mention of trucks and other cargo loader like machines.

I personally built a Dragon Wagon from a Battle Wagon with all manner of parts on it.
simple idea being it used to be used on the planet to salvage wrecks and other valuble things that the citizens could use, and the 'Wagon itself was built out of nessecity for that job.

As for Mechanicus transportation I would imagine anythign they fancy on building would do.

Nice truck, can I add it to the article?

Stay tuned for jeeps, trucks and other modes of transport.

Yes you are certinly allowed to add my truck to your article.

IG GENERAL wrote:

Photos once my camera's fixed, but my loggie "convoy" of about 20 rigs will happily stretch 8 feet and that makes for a nice target- rich environment, or a great objective?

I'm looking forward to seeing them!

Kroothawk wrote:IMHO a Volkswagen Beetle or Ford Pickup would destroy the illusion of a SciFi setting 40k years in the future on a distant planet. There are historical games where they fit, in 40k they look like misplaced proxies.

I agree with everything but the Beetle. They are still making the older models new in Mexico today. Hopefully they will still be making them thousands of years from now...

No Way! Like someone said on my thread, add a plow and a mounted bolter to a VW van and it's totally 40k!

Its all fairly simple to work out.

Definative Formula for Civilian vehicle of the Imperium.

Commercial vehicle + skulls = Imperial commercial vehicle.

Orlanth wrote:Its all fairly simple to work out.

Definative Formula for Civilian vehicle of the Imperium.

Commercial vehicle + skulls = Imperial commercial vehicle.

Isn't that my line?

Well I added some more sections, trucks, buses, trains. More to come.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k

I was mentioned!! hooray. I always thought that the citroen 2CV would make a great little hive runabout myself. And big trucks but with half tracks would be cool for ash-waste trading

Maybe a CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT could be converted into a heavy-duty supply vehicle.

I belive the Hydra Car from Captain America with a few adjustments (aquila hood orniment, and a few other things) would make a perfect Imperial Officers car (or any high society Imperial Individual for that matter).



Would be an interesting thing to build.
Part War Machine, Part Super Luxury, Part 18 Cylinder Aircraft Engine power Sports Car. It would certinly fit under the catagory of soemthing an Imperial Guard General would want to show up in.

Dead Men Walking described autonomous vehicles that were assumed to be commonplace in hivecities.
Half-tracks are common vehicles (other modern-ish vehicles probably exist) on Pyrites, at the very least only in major cities like Cracia (Gaunt's Ghosts)

Just added armored cars and limos, I'm about 75% done.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k

One minor proofread "Finally there are Ork vehicles which most players assume are looted from Imperial trucks. Dave Taylor, one of finest modelers around, converted Ork Trukks into spectacular Imperial troop trucks (a rare care of reverse looting). I really like how he made sure these could count as Chimeras in a game." - you mean "a rare case" I think?

And Cargo Eight! It is mentioned so frequently in Dan Abnett novels, I really think we need a definitive "image" of one of these.

dsteingass wrote:One minor proofread "Finally there are Ork vehicles which most players assume are looted from Imperial trucks. Dave Taylor, one of finest modelers around, converted Ork Trukks into spectacular Imperial troop trucks (a rare care of reverse looting). I really like how he made sure these could count as Chimeras in a game." - you mean "a rare case" I think?

And Cargo Eight! It is mentioned so frequently in Dan Abnett novels, I really think we need a definitive "image" of one of these.

OUCH!

Not only have a I read that darn article about 100 times, I read your quote and still couldn't see the mistake!

Thanks!


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And it's done!

Feedback is of course welcome!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_vehicles_in_40k

really like what you did - i thik everyone digging into the fluff is sooner or later frustrated by the lack of information about everyday civil life in the imperium
as for my personal thoughts:
as noted here before, construction vehicles are usually rather utilitarian and rugged and don't need much tuning from our century to the grim dark future
so it's easy to convert them from toys - just add some bits like power cables, atmospheric filters, armour plates, aquilas... ...and of course skulls and rivets )
there are lots of more or less toy-like die cast vehicles availiable in 1:50 scale from various manufacturers and some of them work even without any modifications
While Matchbox Siku and Majorette are more on the toy side, Norscot, Joal and Conrad produce highly detailed models for big boys
especially the bigger mining vehicles work very well with 8mm figures - sadly most of them are even more expensive than GW...
i got a bunch of them rather cheap via ebay (less than 10 € each)

they still need some reworking and weathering, but we already used them in some games as moving terrain pieces
the trucks are about the size of a Land Raider - wich is rather small fluff-wise but works well in "game dynamics scale" (compare weapon range)

Now I could definitely see two of those dump trucks being combined into a 'cargo Eight"- Take the dump bucket off the back of one for the tractor, and build a trailer out of the other set of wheels.

dsteingass wrote:Now I could definitely see two of those dump trucks being combined into a 'cargo Eight"- Take the dump bucket off the back of one for the tractor, and build a trailer out of the other set of wheels.[/quote
yes!