Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid. I struggle to try and convince him that places like texas, and all states are all big part of the US and that he is a moron for thinking those three states could survive on their own. He would go on to say his reasoning is because NY, Cali, and D.C. are the only ones tourists want to see. . So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
Many in the South say the same things about the North or West Coast. Although it may be more oriented towards being liberal eggheads or some other nonsense. I think each region has it's idiots that hate the other regions. Then of course there is Texas, which has disdain for everyone.
Well, we do need the South and Midwest, unless of course the Northeast/West Coast wants to trade and pay tariffs and all that stuff that goes on when trading with a foreign nation for what they used to get from those states.
Doesn't mean those places aren't full of backward hicks.
Well, as one of the 'Backward Hicks', i'd like to point out not all of us fit the cookie cutter sterotype you're friend has.
I'm not a Conservative for example. i also don't believe all you 'Damn Yankees' are all complete tools.
I myself haven't really run into alot of State vs State (Except them bloody, backwards South Dakotans ), but I do work with a lady from Germany, and she is rather annoying in her "Now, over in Germany....."
Slarg232 wrote:Bring it on; Nodak has all the nukes........"
I thought Wyoming had a few floating around? Wasn't / isn't F. E. Warren AFB like the 'Hub' of the missle wing?
As for the German lady, i know what you mean! When people say crap like that, i'm always thinking 'If it was so damn great, then what the hell are you doing here?!'.
Speaking from a European pov, I think the hate for the perceived "red necks" is entirely reasonable.
When you see some douchebag saying grossly offensive things about "oversea's folks" Its never a nice liberal from San Fransisco is it?
As you all know, Ive lived and worked with Americans for years, and my missus is one. No other country is as close to my heart, and I met some proper good lads in the USAF, but I did meet a few truly idiotic, ignorant, bigoted individuals, and they were almost always deep accented Southern blokes who think that "Europeans are all queer" or some such nonsense.
Those bible bashing deep south passportless types give my American chums a bad name. I lived in CA for two years and I didn't meet a single person that was as annoying as several members of the Oklahoma national guard. And according to those lads, Arkansas is even worse if your not into going to Church like me.
mattyrm wrote: Speaking from a European pov, I think the hate for the perceived "red necks" is entirely reasonable.
When you see some douchebag saying grossly offensive things about "oversea's folks" Its never a nice liberal from San Fransisco is it?
As you all know, Ive lived and worked with Americans for years, and my missus is one. No other country is as close to my heart, and I met some proper good lads in the USAF, but I did meet a few truly idiotic, ignorant, bigoted individuals, and they were almost always deep accented Southern blokes who think that "Europeans are all queer" or some such nonsense.
Those bible bashing deep south passportless types give my American chums a bad name. I lived in CA for two years and I didn't meet a single person that was as annoying as several members of the Oklahoma national guard. And according to those lads, Arkansas is even worse if your not into going to Church like me.
I've heard that bit about Arkansas as long as i can remember. I guess it's bred into us Okies at a genetic level? and you hit the nail on the head about the bible thumping. never could stand the holier than thou they shovel. just
don't throw all of us Okies in such a light. i know the ANG members you met didn't help.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid. I struggle to try and convince him that places like texas, and all states are all big part of the US and that he is a moron for thinking those three states could survive on their own. He would go on to say his reasoning is because NY, Cali, and D.C. are the only ones tourists want to see. . So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
Many in the larger Midwestern cities also express this sentiment. Just as someone from Chicago how they feel about downstate Illinois, Indiana, or Iowa.
In general, while there's definitely a lot of regionalism (I went to school with plenty of people who called everything between the East and West coasts "flyover country."), I think its more a matter of urban versus rural than anything else.
I feel this poster is an accurate representation of the "Deep South". Any attempt to oppose my view points will be met with harsh retaliation in the form of snow balls, wild moose and hockey pucks.
Slarg232 wrote:Bring it on; Nodak has all the nukes........"
I thought Wyoming had a few floating around? Wasn't / isn't F. E. Warren AFB like the 'Hub' of the missle wing?
As for the German lady, i know what you mean! When people say crap like that, i'm always thinking 'If it was so damn great, then what the hell are you doing here?!'.
Meh, whatever. Kind of fun either way when you point out when someone says "The South will rise again!" that there IS a reason why the missles are in the north and the population heavy bases are in the south....
To be fair, her husband is military, she doesn't have a choice.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid. I struggle to try and convince him that places like texas, and all states are all big part of the US and that he is a moron for thinking those three states could survive on their own. He would go on to say his reasoning is because NY, Cali, and D.C. are the only ones tourists want to see. . So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
Steroetypes are Stereotypes are Stereotypes........
... did you really think any intelligent discussion would ensue?
Well, since your friend is VERY clearly a liberal, his opinion doesn't matter.
Just kidding.
I'm from NY, lived in SC, TX, and currently reside in FL. I also resided in Southern California and Las Vegas NV for a short while.
It's easy to make generalizations about people when you've never been somewhere or met more than 'a couple' of people from a single geographical location. Your friend obviously has no idea what he is talking about. I've lived in both rural and urban areas of the states listed above (except CA and NV) and found that (if you actually put effort into talking to people) there are people born and raised there with all different political and social viewpoints. Granted, there are areas where either liberalism or conservatism is predominate, but just because New York is known for being a liberal state, doesn't mean that everyone there is a liberal. I'm not, and I lived there for 20 years.
While the east and west coasts provide some useful functions, for the most part they're useless eaters that simply consume the foodstuff and goods produced in the better part of the country (that is, everything out of California and the NE).
I really could care less if NY and LA were wiped off the map, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have much effect on the rest of us.
biccat wrote:While the east and west coasts provide some useful functions, for the most part they're useless eaters that simply consume the foodstuff and goods produced in the better part of the country (that is, everything out of California and the NE).
I really could care less if NY and LA were wiped off the map, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have much effect on the rest of us.
biccat wrote:While the east and west coasts provide some useful functions, for the most part they're useless eaters that simply consume the foodstuff and goods produced in the better part of the country (that is, everything out of California and the NE).
I really could care less if NY and LA were wiped off the map, and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have much effect on the rest of us.
I'm always mocking my girlfriend (who is German) by saying "Dis would NEVAH happen in Djermanee!" at her.
Though to be fair she's not so bad.
But when you emigrate you tend to compare stuff to your home country, it's just human nature. I do it all the time. (Usually the UK comes out toppers, even with all the Chavscum).
South of the US ranks high on my places-to-visit. Sounds like it's got awesome food, interesting wildlife and gorgeous scenery. (Course, north US is equally on my places-to-visit list.)
And one of my best friends is out in the mid-west, and he says it's grand.
alarmingrick wrote:I'm not a Conservative for example. i also don't believe all you 'Damn Yankees' are all complete tools.
People hate on the south because everyone needs to feel better than someone else, and there aren't many people that you're allowed to openly hate due to prejudice and stereotypes.
I say that as someone born and raised in New England.
Monster Rain wrote:
People hate on the south because everyone needs to feel better than someone else, and there aren't many people that you're allowed to openly hate due to prejudice and stereotypes.
I say that as someone born and raised in New England.
To be fair, being at the heart of the Civil Rights Movement is also a factor, and explains the whole "The South is backwards and racist." thing to some extent.
The redneck stereotype that gets associated with the South is, I think, more about "rural" than anything else.
Get rid of the south-east and California and I'll be happy. fething liberals in California, how do they work. And the rednecks who make the rest of us conservatives look like jackasses.
I knew this guy who was trying to set the world record on staying on a Ferris wheel. He'd been up there for, like, two days or something, and he wanted some beer, but they weren't givin' him any. So he got this rope―and don't ask me where he got the rope from―
Poverty and ignorance have a tendency to go hand and hand. I'm not saying poor people are stupid, ignorance and stupidity are entirely different things. It's okay to slam the so called white trash of the deep south because they're white. I believe that it's simply white self hatred. Conservatives are disgusted that such people are associated with their cause. White Liberals are disgusted that such people live in their country.
I'd just like to know how they manage to find Nascar so appealing...
Chowderhead wrote:As a filthy Northerner, I can say that although I find the south... off putting, I do enjoy many of it's delights. BBQ, for one.
One of the things I don't like about the north is how damn busy the cities are. I went to Boston for a weekend and it was just enough for me, I did see some sights though. I saw a homeless person's shopping cart version of an SUV(guy had like 4 carts strapped together along with a boombox and other nice things) and a bed laying in the middle of demolition site with a teddy bear sitting in front of a pillow like it was ready for someone to sleep in it.
I like some tourists more than others, I found that some of the southern tourists make more of a mess than northern or some foreign tourists. Two guys and three girls(the guys wearing KU hats and the girls fitting the stereotype of overweight southern mother) walked around the store while we were closed(we close at 8:00pm on sundays and it was already 8:05) and just messed with stuff, they didn't even pick up what they messed with. Pissed me the hell off to the point that we kept asking them if they needed anything until they left. Northern customers tend to be rude towards the employees if they are rude in any sense and one of our managers has a high level of disdain towards Indian customers because they seem to always open up the boxes to see what something looks like, even if its an electronic item. I've had to tell a couple to stop opening a box for a scooter(we don't let them ride the things in the first place) and when they said they wanted to know the color I pointed to the color indicator on the box and they asked "What if he can't ride it?" so I told them that they could return it after they bought it. I walked away and a few minutes later their kid was riding on the scooter, but that's a different story.
Anyways, some things are bred into certain regions. Kansas and Missouri are at odds with each other near the border thanks to Civil War era history, doesn't mean they hate each other but they have a nice rivalry going on. New Englanders do talk funny though, my dad being one of them, funny and fast usually.
Cheesecat wrote:I feel this poster is an accurate representation of the "Deep South". Any attempt to oppose my view points will be met with harsh retaliation in the form of snow balls, wild moose and hockey pucks.
Challenge accepted.
I live in texas, but, I'm a foreigner, so, I'm viewed as a whole different species.
Not to mention it has never been as hot in russia as it's been in texas.
D:
Coolyo294 wrote:Most people I know don't hate the south. We just think it's too hot down there.
It IS too hot
What do you mean...I enjoy having my face burst into flame every time I open my car door...and don't even get me started on how much I love having my flesh sizzle and stick to the steering wheel.. ...Hot, pffft..it's just a bit balmy.
Cheesecat wrote:I feel this poster is an accurate representation of the "Deep South". Any attempt to oppose my view points will be met with harsh retaliation in the form of snow balls, wild moose and hockey pucks.
Challenge accepted.
I live in texas, but, I'm a foreigner, so, I'm viewed as a whole different species.
Not to mention it has never been as hot in russia as it's been in texas.
D:
I guess it depends on where you live in Texas. I know in the Dallas area is a huge melting pot for foreigners, especially from Asia, and I don't feel that the average person from the area looks at foreigners any different.
I have a bit of experience in this area(my wife being Asian) and she has never felt "like a different species".
Not saying that you haven't experienced issues in some places, but it's very unfair to paint Texas as a whole like that.
I know, I love the DFW area, but, I live in north texas, where things aren't as nice, and many people aren't as understanding. Just the other day, I went to get gas and asked my fiancé if she wanted anything, and some guy asked why am I in this country, nothing really gets to me, except those kinds of statements.
LumenPraebeo wrote:I don't hate any states other than Texas....mainly because of the fat people and the fat foods.
I think that your hatred is misdirected.. if your main reason for hating a place is because of fat people and food, then you should definitely hate Mississippi.. because its the FATTEST state in the whole country, and has been for years.
Man I love the midwest with their corn and and corn related products. I'm a nor'easter boy myself and I do get tired of hustle and bustle of the city and love the countryside and do some fishing and hunting.
You could hate the south, or just not worry about it, I mean, during my first several weeks in this country, I went to ellis island, I saw the statue of liberty, the alamo, and I enjoyed the southern hospitality. I always hear that the south is so awful and backwards, but, there's good people and bad people, just like everywhere else.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid. I struggle to try and convince him that places like texas, and all states are all big part of the US and that he is a moron for thinking those three states could survive on their own. He would go on to say his reasoning is because NY, Cali, and D.C. are the only ones tourists want to see. . So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
Ask him where the food he eats is raised and grown.
Being southern California raised, I hate living in Texas, its to damn hot. Thats about it, Texas would be a cool place to live if it wasn't melting outside in the summer and snowing in the winter.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid. I struggle to try and convince him that places like texas, and all states are all big part of the US and that he is a moron for thinking those three states could survive on their own. He would go on to say his reasoning is because NY, Cali, and D.C. are the only ones tourists want to see. . So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
Ask him where the food he eats is raised and grown.
Come now Jake, you know that the "Elite" seldom (if ever) consider the efforts that go into the services and goods they enjoy.
Honestly, I would never live further north than NC, where I currently reside. First reason being that I can't stand anything under 50 degrees Fahrenheit. Second reason being that I find the south to be a more vibrant enjoyable place to live. The people are nicer, the climate is nicer, everything is just more cheerful down here. As for us being uneducated backwards conservatives, well, yeah. Some of us are. But you damn yankees have your fair share of donkey-caves as well. I also have a dislike for the large cities up north. I much prefer cities like Charleston or Savannah.
It really comes down to personal preference, neither region is necessarily 'better' than the other. I just prefer to live somewhere where people smile and wave and hold the door for you and where life is happier and more vibrant. That's just my personal preference. It's all fine by me if you damn yankees enjoy being masochistic sad sacks.
What part of Southern California were you from, the freaking beach? During Junior High my mom moved down to Santa Clarita, by Magic Mountain. That has to be one of the most god awfully hot and dry places I've ever been to, worse than the Palm Desert or whatever. Probably is the combination of high heat and humidity in Texas?
VermGho5t wrote:What part of Southern California were you from, the freaking beach? During Junior High my mom moved down to Santa Clarita, by Magic Mountain. That has to be one of the most god awfully hot and dry places I've ever been to, worse than the Palm Desert or whatever. Probably is the combination of high heat and humidity in Texas?
Yes, 110 degree temperatures with like eighty percent humidity isn't all that uncommon.
Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless?
I went from the past 13 years in Texas (Also my birth state) to northern Suburbia California. You might say I have encountered people. There are plenty of elitist snobs, plenty of good people, and a whole lot of human trash in both areas.
One thing I have noticed in Cali, and this is a very stark contrast to the areas like Alaska and borderline Gulf oil field area Texas...people here? Seems to be the most awful thing to happen to a good portion of them really IS that the starbucks wasn't correct this morning, and it seems like a lot of them lack a certain...perspective that one gets actually living in the sticks. Another thing is this immediate propensity to make something someone else`s problem. "Hire someone to do that." "The city takes care/should take care of that." to the point where it seems like its actually undesirable to get <CENSORED> done yourself.
This bled over into a very, VERY unexpected area when I moved in, when I had to rent a handtruck designed for moving coke machines/heavy equipment around to move my gun safe into the house, in Texas this is not a big deal, needing a 10 minute drive to a score of welding or construction equipment rental places/moving businesses. In California this requires calling about fourty five thousand different places until finally stumbling someplace that has one stuffed in the back corner that no one has touched since the bronze age requiring a multi-hour odyssey to reach. Now, during all this, you will be bombarded by a torrent of "Ugh, just hire a moving company to do it." which may just leave you mumbling about "Damned pampered Californians." or similar.
Other posters are right, it IS a Rural versus Urban situation, rather than a purely state vs. state outlook. In rural areas, there probably -is- no public transport. There is no police response time under 15 minutes (Granted, the 5+ minutes generally seen in urban areas is absolutely appalling and utterly worthless for any purpose other than to draw chalk outlines around bodies, but it won't stop people in the area for putting their total faith in the system and berating anyone "Insane, backwards, and rednecky" enough to take their own precautions additionally) There is no public sewer system, you have a septic tank...or an outhouse. There is no public garbage service. There is no recycling program. There are likely to be a grand total of 0 hospitals within 20+ minutes. (In my last rural location, 45 minutes is more likely with the winding two lane roads and traffic.) You will have comparitively frequent disruptions in both water and power, farther rural you may not have one or both of these at all. You will have a wide and varied selection of one, perhaps two public schools to attend, or home schooling.
Being one one side or the other of this kind of situation is going to promote a -vastly- different mindset, let alone all the other little details I haven't mentioned yet.
By the way, as a southerner: You yankees can't shoot...but good God you can cook.
SOFDC wrote:
This bled over into a very, VERY unexpected area when I moved in, when I had to rent a handtruck designed for moving coke machines/heavy equipment around to move my gun safe into the house, in Texas this is not a big deal, needing a 10 minute drive to a score of welding or construction equipment rental places/moving businesses. In California this requires calling about fourty five thousand different places until finally stumbling someplace that has one stuffed in the back corner that no one has touched since the bronze age requiring a multi-hour odyssey to reach. Now, during all this, you will be bombarded by a torrent of "Ugh, just hire a moving company to do it." which may just leave you mumbling about "Damned pampered Californians." or similar.
Speaking to this, it isn't necessarily a matter of being pampered. There's a reason people speak to the bustling lifestyle in cities like Chicago, LA, and NY. People are always in a hurry, and it isn't because they're impatient jerks. While they may act that way, they generally do so because they have reason to: they're busy, all the time. When you live in a large urban area your time tends to be in a high degree of demand, and therefore taking time to complete certain tasks yourself is expensive, often more expensive than hiring someone else to do it for you. This expense isn't necessarily monetary either, because the cost of canceling an appointment or missing a day of work is often losing out on a job, or promotion. And its important to note that nearly everyone has a life like this, which means everything is scheduled. If you've ever wondered why the job description for assistants and secretaries is basically "problem solver" this is the reason, they are essentially professional improvisers.
This isn't to say people in rural areas don't have busy lifestyles either, but there is a big difference between telling yourself that you need to, say, paint the house, and being told by an HR person that you need to show up to an interview at 9. Some people are socialized for one, and some the other, and some lie in between. Personally, I prefer having lots of independent time, but find rural America to be kind of boring, so I'm screwed either way.
Interestingly, this is also the source of the joke "Friends = needing to help someone move." To some of the people I know from rural areas this type of thing always just seems lazy, but its very different when you realize that helping someone move usually involves replacing precious leisure time with labor.
Of course, the suburbs can go either way on this, depending on where, and how long, a person works.
dogma wrote:
Interestingly, this is also the source of the joke "Friends = needing to help someone move." To some of the people I know from rural areas this type of thing always just seems lazy, but its very different when you realize that helping someone move usually involves replacing precious leisure time with labor.
Of course, the suburbs can go either way on this, depending on where, and how long, a person works.
This is probably why the payment for your friends helping you move is the same the entire country over: beer/pizza (or some other variety of takeout food)
I have often found that, ultra-urbanites have tended to "create" business for themselves as often as it is a "real" busy. For instance, getting nails or hair done is now a life or death thing; whereas those people who live on the outskirts of town, in the rural areas, or maybe even the suburbs will see it as a nice thing to have done once in a while. As parents, we also force this on our kids with afterschool soccer practice (until they reach an appropriate age for 'real' sports), music lessons, etc. So that eventually they just learn to be busy nearly all the time.
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I have often found that, ultra-urbanites have tended to "create" business for themselves as often as it is a "real" busy. For instance, getting nails or hair done is now a life or death thing; whereas those people who live on the outskirts of town, in the rural areas, or maybe even the suburbs will see it as a nice thing to have done once in a while. As parents, we also force this on our kids with afterschool soccer practice (until they reach an appropriate age for 'real' sports), music lessons, etc. So that eventually they just learn to be busy nearly all the time.
I know a few girls working in the fashion industry for whom getting their nails done is about as important as showering before going to work. All professions have certain expectations of appearance, and some are more demanding than others.
One of things I learned from living on my own in Chicago, and even St. Paul, is that what is a luxury for one person is often a necessity for another.
We had one kid in my highschool who said she was from some State in the South of America (the name escapes me), and might I just say I have never met a more ignorant, biased, socially out-of-touch person in my life. I am hoping there arn't many more of these people in the states and I'm sure there arn't.
I have no idea why her parents made her move to my country because she absolutely hated everyone and everything Australian. For one Australia is a very multicultural place, and since where I lived there was a large muslim and asian community. The very first day she arrived she spat abuse at nearly every kid who wasn't white, even resorting to the bible to 'convert' them.
I think she was suspended a number of times from school for fighting and dress code (every school here wears uniforms). I'm not trying to portray a stereotype or anything on Southerners, but geeze this kid was something else.
Private_Joker wrote:We had one kid in my highschool who said she was from some State in the South of America (the name escapes me), and might I just say I have never met a more ignorant, biased, socially out-of-touch person in my life. I am hoping there arn't many more of these people in the states and I'm sure there arn't.
I have no idea why her parents made her move to my country because she absolutely hated everyone and everything Australian. For one Australia is a very multicultural place, and since where I lived there was a large muslim and asian community. The very first day she arrived she spat abuse at nearly every kid who wasn't white, even resorting to the bible to 'convert' them.
I think she was suspended a number of times from school for fighting and dress code (every school here wears uniforms). I'm not trying to portray a stereotype or anything on Southerners, but geeze this kid was something else.
To be fair, she'd probably do just as poorly in any urban area in the U.S.
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mattyrm wrote: This child makes me scornful of the mid-west.
Someone should smack that kid in the mouth.
Figuratively, of course.
Personally, I would rather smack that nice tush that fine black lady has.
Private_Joker wrote:We had one kid in my highschool who said she was from some State in the South of America (the name escapes me), and might I just say I have never met a more ignorant, biased, socially out-of-touch person in my life. I am hoping there arn't many more of these people in the states and I'm sure there arn't.
I have no idea why her parents made her move to my country because she absolutely hated everyone and everything Australian. For one Australia is a very multicultural place, and since where I lived there was a large muslim and asian community. The very first day she arrived she spat abuse at nearly every kid who wasn't white, even resorting to the bible to 'convert' them.
I think she was suspended a number of times from school for fighting and dress code (every school here wears uniforms). I'm not trying to portray a stereotype or anything on Southerners, but geeze this kid was something else.
Some people don't like to conform to the society that they now live in and adhere to the "When in Rome, make the Romans do as I do." approach. Unfortunately it happens everywhere, but Australia is too expensive for my taste, that and hot. I mean its so hot that some of the sand looks red, and man when the Earth begins to get a sunburn then you know its hot. I may be a southerner but I'm a yankee by blood, I prefer the Mid-West(Wisconsin) side over the North Eastern(Rhode Island) side in terms of food and atmosphere. Unfortunately my family in the mid-west is mostly comprised of racist pricks so I usually tend to stay with my mom's adoptive family which is comprised of kind souls who actually do things with their lives(let's just say that my mom's adoptive mother was more missed by us than my mom's biological mother).
There's all sorts out in the world no matter where you go, its just that those who give bad examples of their areas are easily remembered compared to the good ones who fall in between the cracks of memory.
Private_Joker wrote:We had one kid in my highschool who said she was from some State in the South of America (the name escapes me), and might I just say I have never met a more ignorant, biased, socially out-of-touch person in my life. I am hoping there arn't many more of these people in the states and I'm sure there arn't.
I have no idea why her parents made her move to my country because she absolutely hated everyone and everything Australian. For one Australia is a very multicultural place, and since where I lived there was a large muslim and asian community. The very first day she arrived she spat abuse at nearly every kid who wasn't white, even resorting to the bible to 'convert' them.
I think she was suspended a number of times from school for fighting and dress code (every school here wears uniforms). I'm not trying to portray a stereotype or anything on Southerners, but geeze this kid was something else.
I'm not trying to portray stereotypes here, but let me tell you a story about the only Southerner I ever met and how backwards and ignorant she was...
Ah well, when the Chinese finalise buying out your country I'm sure you will all have more to worry about than "those guys in other states" and more about having to work in sweat shops making cheap electrical and clothing items to ship over to China and delivering take away American food to your new Chinese overlords
I'm reminded by a sketch by (I believe) Jason Manford about people hating each other until someone from slightly further away comes along
I was lucky enough to get out to FL this year for a few weeks and although we did a lot of the tourist stuff, we also did a lot of day to day type stuff and i have to say the vast, vast majority of people i spoke to were extremely polite and friendly. I did encounter a couple of donkey caves passing through airport security (one in Newark, the other in Atlanta). I understand and approve of the job they were doing but the attitude stank! Not the welcome i expected from my first encounter with an American on his home turf.
mattyrm wrote: Speaking from a European pov, I think the hate for the perceived "red necks" is entirely reasonable.
When you see some douchebag saying grossly offensive things about "oversea's folks" Its never a nice liberal from San Fransisco is it?
As you all know, Ive lived and worked with Americans for years, and my missus is one. No other country is as close to my heart, and I met some proper good lads in the USAF, but I did meet a few truly idiotic, ignorant, bigoted individuals, and they were almost always deep accented Southern blokes who think that "Europeans are all queer" or some such nonsense.
Those bible bashing deep south passportless types give my American chums a bad name. I lived in CA for two years and I didn't meet a single person that was as annoying as several members of the Oklahoma national guard. And according to those lads, Arkansas is even worse if your not into going to Church like me.
You should have went to Compton. Oh wait then you would be dead.
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Cheesecat wrote:I feel this poster is an accurate representation of the "Deep South". Any attempt to oppose my view points will be met with harsh retaliation in the form of snow balls, wild moose and hockey pucks.
Just remember, Tim Hortons is owned by an American Company. HURR!
(PS can you send me some maple glazed donuts? I've had Horton's donut DTs for about two years now).
Frazzled wrote:
You should have went to Compton. Oh wait then you would be dead.
I've been to Compton, and I used to regularly go to Long Beach for Chicken and Waffles at Rosco's. They aren't as bad as I expected from all the Snoop Doggy Dogg when I was a teenager.
In fact, Compton is way nicer than Middlesbrough. I was the only guy in my unit who wanted to stay in Baghdad after we invaded Iraq.
Why, we would eat Snoop and Doctor Dre for breakfast!
remilia_scarlet wrote:I know, I love the DFW area, but, I live in north texas, where things aren't as nice, and many people aren't as understanding. Just the other day, I went to get gas and asked my fiancé if she wanted anything, and some guy asked why am I in this country, nothing really gets to me, except those kinds of statements.
"Cause I likes your wimminzz." Just start running.
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rubiksnoob wrote:Honestly, I would never live further north than NC, where I currently reside. First reason being that I can't stand anything under 50 degrees Fahrenheit. Second reason being that I find the south to be a more vibrant enjoyable place to live. The people are nicer, the climate is nicer, everything is just more cheerful down here. As for us being uneducated backwards conservatives, well, yeah. Some of us are. But you damn yankees have your fair share of donkey-caves as well. I also have a dislike for the large cities up north. I much prefer cities like Charleston or Savannah.
It really comes down to personal preference, neither region is necessarily 'better' than the other. I just prefer to live somewhere where people smile and wave and hold the door for you and where life is happier and more vibrant. That's just my personal preference. It's all fine by me if you damn yankees enjoy being masochistic sad sacks.
Steroetypes of the South being the only region to have rednecks were so destroyed by this series:
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mattyrm wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
You should have went to Compton. Oh wait then you would be dead.
I've been to Compton, and I used to regularly go to Long Beach for Chicken and Waffles at Rosco's. They aren't as bad as I expected from all the Snoop Doggy Dogg when I was a teenager.
In fact, Compton is way nicer than Middlesbrough. I was the only guy in my unit who wanted to stay in Baghdad after we invaded Iraq.
Why, we would eat Snoop and Doctor Dre for breakfast!
Long Beach is not bad, just industrial.
Did you walk through Compton or drive?
EDIT: PLease tell me you went to Venice Beach. Everyone should take the Hajj to Venice Beach at least once in their life.
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
I have often found that, ultra-urbanites have tended to "create" business for themselves as often as it is a "real" busy. For instance, getting nails or hair done is now a life or death thing; whereas those people who live on the outskirts of town, in the rural areas, or maybe even the suburbs will see it as a nice thing to have done once in a while. As parents, we also force this on our kids with afterschool soccer practice (until they reach an appropriate age for 'real' sports), music lessons, etc. So that eventually they just learn to be busy nearly all the time.
I know a few girls working in the fashion industry for whom getting their nails done is about as important as showering before going to work. All professions have certain expectations of appearance, and some are more demanding than others.
One of things I learned from living on my own in Chicago, and even St. Paul, is that what is a luxury for one person is often a necessity for another.
That's the fashion industry. It's not lthe people who work at wal-mart
Commisar Von Humps wrote:Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid.
Sure is, the midwest is a collection of backwards dirt farmers who just recently discovered them magic talkin' boxes with the real culture like Jersey Shore and 'dem 'dere other reality TV shows. The southern states are similar to this, except that think they won the war, and are even more into guns and Christianity. They claim that the world is flat and 6000 years old, also.
Of course, this doesn't change the fact that the west coast is full of the most unreliable people I've dealt with that weren't drug addled hobos, based upon personal interaction. When saddled with the decision of whether to spend money to improve curriculum or have a architect design a super-trendy NEW school, with the same broken curriculum in place, they'll go for the school. Oh, and iPads. Those where the reason the kids weren't learning.
Now, this sounds bad, but then we have to turn to the fact that the East Coast is full of donkey-caves. Literally, full of donkey-caves. There isn't room for one more without stacking them, and you're all as bad as the next. You all would stab your mother for a dime and drag the body through the street for a promotion. I mean, it's the East Coast, it's that place that's renown for such amazing things as: Wall Street, Washington, and Jersey Shore. That should read like a list of war crimes, not accomplishments. And I'm just talking about the northern portion of the east coast. The southern portions resemble some bizarre amalgumation of the South and the East Coast, with toolbags and people who can't figure out how to vote all over. I'm looking at you Florida.
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Or, on the other hand, stereotypes exist everywhere. Your friend is being a judgmental donkey-cave, and probably hasn't even left the comfort of his surroundings to come here and see it and develop reasons to hate it like those of us who have been living here have. It happens. We've a transplant from Connecticut we play D&D with who rants and raves about how much better things are back in the East, especially when some Midwesterner does something stupid (which happens a lot, don't get me wrong), and then I YouTube 30 seconds of Jersey Shore. It's the only counterargument needed.
Private_Joker wrote:We had one kid in my highschool who said she was from some State in the South of America (the name escapes me), and might I just say I have never met a more ignorant, biased, socially out-of-touch person in my life. I am hoping there arn't many more of these people in the states and I'm sure there arn't.
I have no idea why her parents made her move to my country because she absolutely hated everyone and everything Australian. For one Australia is a very multicultural place, and since where I lived there was a large muslim and asian community. The very first day she arrived she spat abuse at nearly every kid who wasn't white, even resorting to the bible to 'convert' them.
I think she was suspended a number of times from school for fighting and dress code (every school here wears uniforms). I'm not trying to portray a stereotype or anything on Southerners, but geeze this kid was something else.
I'm guessing that this girl's behaviour was probably most likely down to anxiety at having been uprooted from her home, friends, family and school against her wishes, and moved to a different country a few thousand miles away, as opposed to being from the American south.
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Never been there, what's wrong with Six Flags?
Outside of the fact that there's states you can go to Six Flags in that aren't Jersey, it's kind of the McDonald's of amusement parks. There are better, and it's vastly overcrowded.
I also find it interesting that there are lots of bands that come out of Jersey, and I've heard plenty of songs talking about how they never want to go back, but never a single one about how they miss it or can't wait to go home.
Albatross wrote:I'm guessing that this girl's behaviour was probably most likely down to anxiety at having been uprooted from her home, friends, family and school against her wishes, and moved to a different country a few thousand miles away, as opposed to being from the American south.
Wait... are you implying that someone could post something untrue on the internet? Preposterous; what would a person gain from posting anything but the considered, unbiased truth? You sir, are ridiculous.
Commisar Von Humps wrote:Hey guys, this is more posed towards Americans on the forum, and the question is, Has anyone encountered anybody who feels the mid west and south are backwards and useless? I live in NY and i know many people who feel that way, one of which goes on to declare that the only states worth anything are California, NY, and D.C.(which i went on to explain was not a state....). He says that because to him the entirety of the south and mid west is backwards, Conservative, and stupid. I struggle to try and convince him that places like texas, and all states are all big part of the US and that he is a moron for thinking those three states could survive on their own. He would go on to say his reasoning is because NY, Cali, and D.C. are the only ones tourists want to see. . So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
I find this funny. The reason I find it funny, is because most Conservative southerns would not mind if California, NY, and DC all left the Union. Also tell your friend, that the South and Midwest is were about 75% of this countrys food is grown. I really don't think New York state could grow enough food for New York City. So, the North needs the South and Midwest alot more than we need or want them.
That show really is excellent, though I didn't watch it much when it first came on.
Well, here in Chicago, we are pretty liberal. Though most of the people I know give roughly zero feths about politics, all of them agree that Republicans are stupid.
Religion has a large impact on all of this, hence the "Bible Belt", its rather pathetic.
There are quite a few demo people in north texas compared to the other regions (hello gerrymanding! What do you mean you want republican districts?)
Anyways, each state has its..."flaws". Looking past them is how we became a great nation (although since I was born in non Quebec canada, I also have some ill harbor to those idiots who keep wanting to have their own country!)
Karon wrote:Religion has a large impact on all of this, hence the "Bible Belt", its rather pathetic.
Now, what was this about the bible belt?
You do know that at this point almost every state has a Pride Parade, right? That doesn't mean they aren't more conservative (religious and/or political) than other parts of the country. It isn't an all or nothing situation. Even 'Left Coast' California has conservative strongholds in it. States are made up of lots of different groups and while the Bible Belt may not be quite as backwards as it used to be, Kansas is still doing it's best to go back. All that for a joke at Kansas's expense. Because I care.
Karon wrote:Religion has a large impact on all of this, hence the "Bible Belt", its rather pathetic.
Now, what was this about the bible belt?
You do know that at this point almost every state has a Pride Parade, right? That doesn't mean they aren't more conservative (religious and/or political) than other parts of the country. It isn't an all or nothing situation. Even 'Left Coast' California has conservative strongholds in it. States are made up of lots of different groups and while the Bible Belt may not be quite as backwards as it used to be, Kansas is still doing it's best to go back. All that for a joke at Kansas's expense. Because I care.
Well, yeah. That's what political liberals believe - all conservatives are stupid backwards hicks. Possibly bitterly clinging to their guns and/or religion.
Well, yeah. That's what political liberals believe - all conservatives are stupid backwards hicks. Possibly bitterly clinging to their guns and/or religion.
There isn't much possibility to it. That is exactly what they are. Everyone has said that in every post and no one noticed it except you. Bitter, gun clinging conservatives that truly understand what liberals believe know how to read between the lines. They also know how to use political bullet points and recognize the world is made up of only liberal and conservative and that each person in each camp is exemplifies every possible stereotype of attributed to it.
Ahtman wrote:They also know how to use political bullet points and recognize the world is made up of only liberal and conservative and that each person in each camp is exemplifies every possible stereotype of attributed to it.
Ahtman wrote:There isn't much possibility to it. That is exactly what they are. Everyone has said that in every post and no one noticed it except you. Bitter, gun clinging conservatives that truly understand what liberals believe know how to read between the lines. They also know how to use political bullet points and recognize the world is made up of only liberal and conservative and that each person in each camp is exemplifies every possible stereotype of attributed to it.
You appear to have misread my post, or, more likely, are simply trolling. I invite you to read it again in light of your post, paying particular attention to how your comments have no bearing on those that I made.
I don't think you know what you mean half the time you post. If you actually read what you wrote, you would realize my post was a subtle and nuanced as was necessary.
I don't think you know what you mean half the time you post. If you actually read what you wrote, you would realize my post was a subtle and nuanced as was necessary.
Upon further reflection, it's possible that you might not entirely understand sarcasm.
. So fellow Dakka members what do you all think?
), but I do work with a lady from Germany, and she is rather annoying in her "Now, over in Germany....."
