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Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 18:37:33


Post by: Deadshot


Is it possible that the GK and the Custodes are related?

Both are described as superior to normal SM in every way.When the Grey Knights were formed,the Emperor hadn't yet sat on the Golden Throne.At this point, Guilliman hadn't yet introduced the Codex Astartes,so the Grey Knights,which were formed as a Chapter,wouldn't have been formed as a chapter,because there were no chapters.The Custodes are descibed as being 10,000 strong,same number as a SM legion.

So here is my speculations.

1)The Custiodes were one of the Missing Legions,The Grey Knights another
2,and probably most likely)The Custodes were an organization,and the Grey Knights a dirivetive chapter
3)The Custodes were one of the missing legions,and the Grey Knights a dirivetive chapter.
3)The Emperor did not set up the Grey Knights,because they would have been a legion.It wasdn't untill after the Codex that chapters started arppearing.Someone else set them up later.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 18:38:38


Post by: Coolyo294


Custodes aren't Space Marines.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 18:41:28


Post by: English Assassin


1) Were they indeed?
2) Oh really?
3) See 1.
4) Have you even read the Grey Knights' Codex?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 19:30:38


Post by: Deadshot


They are described as being the same as same as SM,just superior in every way.The GK are described as mega-marines.

@ English Assassin.

1 and 3 are not the same.Reread them.
What do you mean "oh really"?

How would the GK be set up as a CHAPTER,when the Codex Astartes hadn't been introduced yet?The would have to be derived from another legion.10,000 strong,which the Custodes were.The Custodes were similar to SM.IT fits the bill.Early GK halberds had the Storm bolter incorperated into the handle.Just like Custodes spears.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 19:36:02


Post by: purplefood


1) No
2) No
3 No
Other 3?) Also no.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 19:36:04


Post by: iproxtaco


1. Well we know that's wrong. They were trained by ex members of other Legions from simple human psykers. The Custodes were test tube grown, they aren't Astartes.
2. Nope.
3. Again, no. The Grey Knights are all psykers, we know their origins, and the Custodes aren't Astartes.
4. We know the Emperor ordered their creation, and we know how this happened. They didn't emerge organized as a Chapter, the returned 1000 strong, that's all, and they used to be 3000 strong. Typical Mat Ward idiocy.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 19:44:33


Post by: 1hadhq


1-4 = no

Grey Knights were founded at the Emperors order.
Space Marine Legions were founded at his order too.
Thats all they got in common.

The Grey Knights have a backstory in their codex. Please read it.
The lost Legions have been part of the 20 Legions at 1st founding.
The Custodes were his bodyguard when the Legions were around. Thus as old as the Legions and not lost.
The Grey knights were rapidly formed ( cheating in time ) and had the chapter structure to fit within the norm of the chapter since they got revealed at 2nd founding. Wouldn't it look weird to have lots of "chapters" around and 1 legion sized formation?
One thing to remember: GK are N° 666 for a reason. Following the procedure of the second founding, just 400 chapters would mean they should have a different number. But they don't. Maybe a hint on the warp and names....also counts for numbers?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 20:53:14


Post by: Grey Templar


Custodes are NOT space marines in any way, shape, or form.

They are, quite simply, Custodes. All thats known is that they are Artificially created. How is not. They are a different type of genetically altered super humans, designed to be the perfect Bodyguards just like the Astartes were created to be the perfect Warriors.



the GKs were founded by the Emperor for the express purpose of countering the threat from the Warp. It is rumored, and all but confirmed by the GK codex, that their Geneseed is based on the Emperor. It is 100% for sure it is not based on any pre-existing Legion. This accounts for the Psychic mastery and genetic purity the chapter exibits. There is a reason the GKs refer to their geneseed as "The Emperor's Gift"


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 22:23:16


Post by: Deadshot


Grey Templar wrote:It is rumored, and all but confirmed by the GK codex, that their Geneseed


In
Spoiler:
First Heretic
.it is rumoured that the custodes are closer to the Emperor than Astartes.They were based of the Emperor.Sound familiar?


The custodes are the same build and slightly stronger than marines,but not as strong as primarchs.the Grey Knights are able to take down Primarchs.This seems to me like they are stronger than normal SM,as the Custodes were.However, it took substantual effort,which the Custodes would need top bring one down.Normal marines wouldn't even be ablw to touch them,with or without chaos powers.In the same novel, Corax goes about slaughtering Marines and Possessed like they were naught but bothersome insects.How would a few space marines,because that is what you are saying they are,be able to take down Angron,who was one of the fighty ones,and upgraded with Chaosm powers,with or without 12 Bloodthirsters?They would have to be something stronger than marines,and Custodes fit the bill.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 22:32:34


Post by: bedeporter


They are something stronger than marines. They are all psychic marines with force weapons that are anathema to daemons. They were made to fight chaos spawn and that's why they were able to take down Angron and the Bloodthirsters. Since he was a daemon prince at the time.

edit: grammar.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 22:50:43


Post by: Deadshot


Daemons are immune to force weapons.Basically,they are all weak libbies.

PS-Chaos Spawn aren't Daemons.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 22:55:16


Post by: Chowderhead


Deadshot wrote:Daemons are immune to force weapons.Basically,they are all weak libbies.

PS-Chaos Spawn aren't Daemons.

One: Force weapons rip the soul out of a deamon, killing it's essence forever. Go read Eisenhorn.

Two: Questionable.


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Deadshot wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:It is rumored, and all but confirmed by the GK codex, that their Geneseed


In
Spoiler:
First Heretic
.it is rumoured that the custodes are closer to the Emperor than Astartes.They were based of the Emperor.Sound familiar?


The custodes are the same build and slightly stronger than marines,but not as strong as primarchs.the Grey Knights are able to take down Primarchs.This seems to me like they are stronger than normal SM,as the Custodes were.However, it took substantual effort,which the Custodes would need top bring one down.Normal marines wouldn't even be ablw to touch them,with or without chaos powers.In the same novel, Corax goes about slaughtering Marines and Possessed like they were naught but bothersome insects.How would a few space marines,because that is what you are saying they are,be able to take down Angron,who was one of the fighty ones,and upgraded with Chaosm powers,with or without 12 Bloodthirsters?They would have to be something stronger than marines,and Custodes fit the bill.

Lexicanum wrote:Much of the Grey Knights history remains in mystery and secrecy or has been purposefully removed from archives. However according to legend, the Grey Knights began as a project during the final days of the Horus Heresy. The Emperor foresaw that the Heresy would likely end at such a great personal cost to himself that he would be prevented from actively defending mankind from the great threat of Chaos and its Daemons. So the Emperor set in motion a plan to form a defence against such evil. Malcador the Sigilite, closest of the Emperor's servants, was sent to search across the Imperium for men suitable to rise to such a burden.10 p.6-7
Malcador found twelve worthy champions; four were lords and administrators, and eight were Space Marines (Garviel Loken, Iacton Qruze, Nathaniel Garro, Librarian Tyloss Rubio, Captain Varren, Janus21 22 23), some hailing from Legions that had turned traitor. The Emperor surveyed the chosen recruits and granted his approval and consent to proceed with the project. So the recruits split ways to go off towards separate tasks; the four lords ventured off to lay the framework of the Inquisition, whilst the Space Marines and Malcador traveled to Saturn's moon of Titan.10 p.6-7
Titan, through Malcador's sorcerous means, had been hidden away from the ravages of the Horus Heresy. When they arrived they found a Fortress-monastery already fully prepared and stocked with everything necessary to create a new army of Space Marines including supplies of gene-seed, which is suspected to have been taken from the Emperor directly, and all the necessary armaments. The fortress was also already populated with hundreds upon hundreds of suitable recruits from across the Galaxy. Some were raw and untrained, whilst others were selected in secret from among the ranks of loyalist Legions. This new army would be a Chapter - a smaller, tighter brotherhood of Space Marines than a Legion. Malcador could no longer remain and thus he appointed Janus, one of the eight original Space Marines, to be the Grey Knights leader and take the title of Supreme Grand Master. Before leaving, Malcador cast his greatest enchantment yet; he hid Titan away from Horus in the most unlikely of places, inside the Warp itself. Titan was protected by Macro-Geller fields and sigilic rites whilst the final battles of the Heresy took place in Real Space.10 p.6-7
When Titan eventually returned, the Second Founding was taking place. Whilst in the Warp, time had passed at a greater rate for Titan and so it had emerged not with the original eight Space Marines and their raw recruits, but with a full Chapter of one thousand fully trained Battle-Brothers. The Second Founding was being directed by the newly formed Inquisition under the control of the same lords who Malcador had selected years before. So they secretly included the Grey Knights amongst the growing list of new Chapters, designating them Chapter 666, despite there being barely 400 Chapters commissioned at the time. The Grey Knights, different from all the other new Chapters, were embedded within the Inquisition to serve as the Chamber Militant of the Ordo Malleus to fight against all things Daemonic.10 p.6-7


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 23:00:49


Post by: ZacktheChaosChild


From Lexicanum concerning Grey Knights:

Much of the Grey Knights history remains in mystery and secrecy or has been purposefully removed from archives. However according to legend, the Grey Knights began as a project during the final days of the Horus Heresy. The Emperor foresaw that the Heresy would likely end at such a great personal cost to himself that he would be prevented from actively defending mankind from the great threat of Chaos and its Daemons. So the Emperor set in motion a plan to form a defence against such evil. Malcador the Sigilite, closest of the Emperor's servants, was sent to search across the Imperium for men suitable to rise to such a burden.10 p.6-7


From Lexicanum concerning Custodes:

The Adeptus Custodes were known originally as the Legio Custodes. The original Custodians were the first genetically and psychologically altered warriors created by the Emperor during the Terran Unification Wars. They served as the Emperor's personal bodyguard.4 The genetic enhancement that forms the Custodes is different from and predates that developed to create Space Marines.3 p.29
During the Great Crusade, the Custodes always kept a contingent with the Emperor for his protection, but also travelled individually as envoys. Since the Emperor's internment in the Golden Throne, the Adeptus Custodes have taken a more limited role as protectors of the Imperial Palace.
Originally, they were equipped with the best power armour of the age, and had access to the same type of equipment and weapons as had the Space Marine Legions. Equipment which was characteristic of the Custodes would influence the equipment of the later Grey Knights. After the confinement of the Emperor within the Golden Throne, the Custodes abandoned, among other things, the use of their armour, and their traditional colour of red was changed to black.


It's pretty safe to say that neither are actually the missing Legions.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 23:21:31


Post by: bedeporter


nemesis force weapons have the daemonbane special rule because they are designed to kill daemons. So whilst daemons may be immune to forceweapons they're not immune to daemonbane. Also, sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant the spawn of the immaterium rather than the unit chaos spawn.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 23:34:58


Post by: Grey Templar


Nemisis Force Weapons are force weapons designed to kill daemons.

they do so by being so utterly clean and poisonous to Warp things. not through the channeling of warp energy.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/28 23:40:02


Post by: Deadshot


Through the representatonal Daemonbane.Daemons are immune to ID,which is what I was pointing out.


I will drop this for now,but If I find new connections


"I'll be back"


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 02:18:38


Post by: purplefood


Deadshot wrote:Through the representatonal Daemonbane.Daemons are immune to ID,which is what I was pointing out.


I will drop this for now,but If I find new connections


"I'll be back"

You won't find new connections...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 09:12:51


Post by: Deadshot


Maybe,but with 6th ed coming soon,that is new background,so maybe I will.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 11:43:39


Post by: iproxtaco


Deadshot wrote:Daemons are immune to force weapons.Basically,they are all weak libbies.

PS-Chaos Spawn aren't Daemons.


Lolwut? Daemons are immune to Force Weapons? Why the feth do you think the Grey Knights use them? They're very effective, they cut the link between the Warp and material realm, they banish Daemons.

Second point though is debatable. They're swelled with Warp energy, they could be Daemons.


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Deadshot wrote:Maybe,but with 6th ed coming soon,that is new background,so maybe I will.


No, you wont. There's no connection bar their equipment, and that's tenuous at best, and there's not going to be a connection randomly created out of nowhere.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 12:15:46


Post by: Just Dave


Coolyo294 wrote:Custodes aren't Space Marines.


English Assassin wrote:1) Were they indeed?
2) Oh really?
3) See 1.
4) Have you even read the Grey Knights' Codex?


purplefood wrote:1) No
2) No
3 No
Other 3?) Also no.


iproxtaco wrote:1. Well we know that's wrong. They were trained by ex members of other Legions from simple human psykers. The Custodes were test tube grown, they aren't Astartes.
2. Nope.
3. Again, no. The Grey Knights are all psykers, we know their origins, and the Custodes aren't Astartes.
4. We know the Emperor ordered their creation, and we know how this happened. They didn't emerge organized as a Chapter, the returned 1000 strong, that's all, and they used to be 3000 strong. Typical Mat Ward idiocy.


1hadhq wrote:1-4 = no


Grey Templar wrote:Custodes are NOT space marines in any way, shape, or form.


...

Deadshot wrote:I will drop this for now,but If I find new connections


"I'll be back"





Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 13:10:18


Post by: Deadshot


iproxtaco wrote:
Deadshot wrote:Daemons are immune to force weapons.Basically,they are all weak libbies.

PS-Chaos Spawn aren't Daemons.


Lolwut? Daemons are immune to Force Weapons? Why the feth do you think the Grey Knights use them? They're very effective, they cut the link between the Warp and material realm, they banish Daemons.

Second point though is debatable. They're swelled with Warp energy, they could be Daemons.


In game terms,Daemons are immune to ID,so they would be immune to force weapons.It is the silver and iron blade/head/staff that makes it deadly.

Chaos spawn do not count as Daemons.In game,they do not count as Daemons,so in the fluff based on the game,it makes no sense for them to be Daemons.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 14:09:05


Post by: Coolyo294


Deadshot wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
Deadshot wrote:Daemons are immune to force weapons.Basically,they are all weak libbies.

PS-Chaos Spawn aren't Daemons.


Lolwut? Daemons are immune to Force Weapons? Why the feth do you think the Grey Knights use them? They're very effective, they cut the link between the Warp and material realm, they banish Daemons.

Second point though is debatable. They're swelled with Warp energy, they could be Daemons.


In game terms,Daemons are immune to ID,so they would be immune to force weapons.It is the silver and iron blade/head/staff that makes it deadly.

Chaos spawn do not count as Daemons.In game,they do not count as Daemons,so in the fluff based on the game,it makes no sense for them to be Daemons.
Again, rules =/= fluff.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 14:12:36


Post by: Deadshot


Fluff comes from rules,so they can't be Daemons,but not be Daemons.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 14:20:35


Post by: Henners91


In the second HH book it's established that the Custodes pre-date the Space Marines.

Plus Lexicanum'll tell you that they're created by a completely different (and much longer) process.


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Deadshot wrote:Fluff comes from rules,so they can't be Daemons,but not be Daemons.


That is debatable.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 14:35:54


Post by: BluntmanDC


Deadshot wrote:Fluff comes from rules,so they can't be Daemons,but not be Daemons.


In GW you will find that rules come after fluff, this is pointed out in the standard bearer aticle from last month's WD and many other interviews with GW creatives.

As it is already pointed out by so many others:

1. GK are specially processed SM (made using only psykers, and filtered through one of the most aggressive filtering systems in IoM recruitment) but at the end of the day they are SM that 'reproduce as SM.
2. The custodes are not SM they are not made like SM so therefor cannot be GK for the above reason.
3. The custodes predate SM
4. The 'missing' legions (they are only missing to the reader, the Emperor and the rest of the primarches all know what happened to them) are removed from play before the Horus Heresy.
5. the custodes and GK have completely different fighting styles so it makes little sence that hey are related, or one would be used to form the other.


It should be clear by now that your hypothesis makes very little sence with all the info that is available.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 15:26:54


Post by: Azza007


I think the OP needs to drop this theory of his as there is no evidence supporting it and plenty against as has been shown.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 15:32:44


Post by: iproxtaco


Deadshot wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
Deadshot wrote:Daemons are immune to force weapons.Basically,they are all weak libbies.

PS-Chaos Spawn aren't Daemons.


Lolwut? Daemons are immune to Force Weapons? Why the feth do you think the Grey Knights use them? They're very effective, they cut the link between the Warp and material realm, they banish Daemons.

Second point though is debatable. They're swelled with Warp energy, they could be Daemons.


In game terms,Daemons are immune to ID,so they would be immune to force weapons.It is the silver and iron blade/head/staff that makes it deadly.

Fluff=/=Game rules. Force Weapons are powerful due to the psychic ability of the wielder. All Grey Knights are incredibly powerful psykers, their Nemesis weapons are extremely effective against them. Rules have no place in this discussion, as its the background forum, and a question that's specifically about the background.

Chaos spawn do not count as Daemons.In game,they do not count as Daemons,so in the fluff based on the game,it makes no sense for them to be Daemons.

How many times do you have to be told that Fluff=/= Game Rules before you start believing it?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 15:34:13


Post by: Grey Templar


Chaos Spawn aren't daemons because, in the fluff, they are simply mortals that have recieved too many Mutations as gifts and have lost their mind as a result.

Daemon Princes, on the other hand, are daemons that were once mortals, but were elevated to Daemonhood(becoming a true daemon)


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:01:12


Post by: Deadshot


Azza007 wrote:I think the OP needs to drop this theory of his as there is no evidence supporting it and plenty against as has been shown.



Deadshot wrote:I will drop this for now


I tried!


It supporsts itself in my mind.Good enough for me.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:05:06


Post by: iproxtaco


You must have a strange mind then, one that hates using the space bar after commas and full stops and creates random theories with no basis of fact, and believes the rules have a place in the discussion of the background.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:16:17


Post by: Deadshot


They don't.I am just trying to explain myself.

I don't hate the space bar,I just don't believe it is correct to use it after every mark you make on paper,so to speak.

GW have extreme inconsistencies,saying this weapon can kill,but this other one can't,yet saying that they all work the same in fluff,just takes the cake.

I was convinced that they are related in some way.I still am,but I won't continue this discussion.Can I have this thread locked up or something?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:22:37


Post by: Grey Templar


Proper punctuation is preferred on this site. While yours isn't horrible compared to others, it would be nice if you used spaces(because you are supposed to put a space between words and most punctuation marks)


Custodes don't have any rules so you can't draw any similarities from the rules.


NFWs have daemonbane not because they are force weapons, but because the weapon is purpose built to poison warp things. regular old Force Weapons are designed to channel a psyker's warp power into the weapon to make it more deadly to things made of flesh and bone.

Daemons aren't vulnerable in the same way that a normal creature is. Normal bodies will die to loss of blood or Hydrostatic shock, Daemons won't. Daemons die when their connection to the material plane is severed. a Nemisis Force Weapon has had additional properties put into it to cause daemons to become destabilized. the Force Weapon ID effect and Daemonbane are totally different.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:23:53


Post by: iproxtaco


Yet you use it between words? It's grammatically correct to use it after commas, it simply makes things easier to read. You're not doing a very good job to be fair. Instead of jumping from one point to the other, actually explain why you think they're connected.
It has fluff inconsistencies, but everything falls into place once you accept that the Fluff=/=Game Rules.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:29:11


Post by: Deadshot


I accept that. There are fluff inconsistencies. I have no more to say. I will find a connection, eventually, possibly in 14th ed,but I WILL find it.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:36:19


Post by: iproxtaco


No you wont.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:39:50


Post by: Deathsadvocate


There is no connection. Accept it and move on to better things.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:47:15


Post by: Deadshot


I can't. I am a stubborn guy. I don't quit, even if I know I can't prove it.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:48:49


Post by: Grey Templar


All Hail Deadshot's Great Crusade!!!


while you are at it, pick up the Elixer of Life. and I seem to have lost my piece of Unobtainium, its very expensive and rare so could you please look for it?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 16:59:38


Post by: 1hadhq


Deadshot wrote:

I was convinced that they are related in some way.


By whom?

Deadshot wrote:
.Can I have this thread locked up or something?


Ask one of the Mods.




Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 17:17:49


Post by: Deadshot


Grey Templar wrote:All Hail Deadshot's Great Crusade!!!


while you are at it, pick up the Elixer of Life. and I seem to have lost my piece of Unobtainium, its very expensive and rare so could you please look for it?


I will give it a go.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 17:24:27


Post by: Lobokai


We know the origins of both ARE different

We know they aren't the same (in time, location, or substance).

You might as well insist that Edlar are actually reborn Space Marines... while it is possible that a later edition might support this, it is so improbable that it would be a worthless position to take.

Just curious, who on earth thought that GK and Custodes were the same and what was the basis for their position (the GK and Custodes have been around since the RT days and have NEVER EVER been the same).


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/29 17:32:25


Post by: Deadshot


I did,and the OP is there,have a look.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 04:37:09


Post by: Lobokai


Deadshot wrote:I didn't, and the OP is there, as I didn't actually read your post, which is weird, since that is what I'm accusing you of, have a look.


Fixed for English language and truth... moving on


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 04:45:23


Post by: purplefood


Deadshot wrote:I did,and the OP is there,have a look.

I think Lobukia was asking if someone had... started, your theory or you managed to come up with it all by your lonesome...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 06:19:55


Post by: Deadshot


Sorry,no I came up with idea while reading First Heretic.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 06:34:36


Post by: purplefood


Well there you go then.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 12:20:03


Post by: Henners91


Deadshot wrote:
Azza007 wrote:I think the OP needs to drop this theory of his as there is no evidence supporting it and plenty against as has been shown.



Deadshot wrote:I will drop this for now


I tried!


It supporsts itself in my mind.Good enough for me.


I think that what Dakka wishes to array against this is best represen!ed like so:

BACK DOWN, YOUR OPINION IS WRONG AND UNSUBSTANTIATED. YOU HAVE UNLEASHED MY NERD RAGE. YOUR PERSONAL THOUGHTS ARE INTERFERING WITH MY QUALITY OF LIFE. I CANNOT LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE SOMEONE PERCEIVES MY TOY SOLDIERS DIFFERENTLY FROM MYSELF. YOU CAN'T EVEN PUNCTUATE PROPERLY. BACK DOWN. SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE. OR ELSE YOU WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF MY INTERNETS!

Srsly, I think this theory is moronic but the fanatacism being displayed by my fellow basement-dwellers is rather shocking. Talk about tetchy eh? And why do all internet 'discussions' boil down to conversations about grammar...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 12:26:44


Post by: purplefood


Fanaticism?
You clearly haven't seen half the 'discussions' that happen on Dakka.
This is relatively low key compared to them.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 12:30:12


Post by: Henners91


Sure, does that make it any less pitiful from an outside perspective

Not that I'm going to assume some position of superiority, I love making fluff-nabs hang on my triple dots as much as the next guy. Just decided to take a step back on this one.

I mean the premise of this post is ridiculous and I do think OP needs to back down and accept that it's totally unsubstantiated... but to get wound up about it? WHAT HAVE WE BECOME?!


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 16:14:38


Post by: Deadshot


I just want people to leave it.Let me deal with this,as no one agrees with me.It is highly improbable that they are related,but the similarities are enough to give me a small hope of finding a connection.

Don't respond,just leave and look at other stuff.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 22:48:15


Post by: Grey Templar


You were the one who posted the topic on a public forum. Anyone and Everyone has the right to post in this topic(following the Dakka user policy)

You can't say "If you don't agree with me, don't respond", especially when you asked everyone's opinion on the subject.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 23:00:42


Post by: Asherian Command


Custodes are not Grey Knights
Custodes are not Astrates.
Custodes train in a personnel fashion not as a squad.
Custodes are not pyskers.
Custodes are older.
Custodes wear golden armor.
Custodes have different ranks.
Custodes have the Aquallia for their symbol.
The Custodes are the bodyguards of the emperor and the palace.
The Custodes have red capes.
The Custodes have spears with guns on the top.
The Custodes fought in the great crusade.
The custodes fought at almost every major event in the Horus Hersey.
They do not listen to Malcador.
They don't give a crap about pyskers. Except the one they protect.
They are artificially born.
How could you think they are the same?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 23:02:04


Post by: Azza007


I have yet to see any similarities apart from metallic coloured armour.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 23:21:10


Post by: Asherian Command


Azza007 wrote:I have yet to see any similarities apart from metallic coloured armour.

One is Gray, one is Crimson and Gold.
Haha really hard to see any difference apart from their 'halberds'


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 23:46:53


Post by: cadbren


Maybe the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Word Bearers. The Imperial Cult started with them, the Grey Knights uphold it and even have a similar icon plus Lorgar was slightly psychic.
It fits and what was their legion colour?....dun dun dun...grey!


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 23:48:02


Post by: Asherian Command


cadbren wrote:Maybe the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Word Bearers. The Imperial Cult started with them, the Grey Knights uphold it and even have a similar icon plus Lorgar was slightly psychic.
It fits and what was their legion colour?....dun dun dun...grey!

Your insane.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/30 23:52:51


Post by: English Assassin


Deadshot wrote:I don't hate the space bar,I just don't believe it is correct to use it after every mark you make on paper,so to speak.

I think this rather sums up the problems with your theory. A cursory check of any English style manual would correct you on this, just as reading Codex: Grey Knights and the Horus Heresy novels would make it clear that your claims and the grounds on which you base them are nonsensical.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 00:00:29


Post by: cadbren


Asherian Command wrote:
cadbren wrote:Maybe the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Word Bearers. The Imperial Cult started with them, the Grey Knights uphold it and even have a similar icon plus Lorgar was slightly psychic.
It fits and what was their legion colour?....dun dun dun...grey!

Your insane.

Blame Lorgar, I do.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 10:48:43


Post by: Azza007


I thought it was more gun metal than grey.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 11:42:48


Post by: cadbren


With a hint of mauve perhaps?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 15:14:05


Post by: Grey Templar


Asherian Command wrote:
cadbren wrote:Maybe the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Word Bearers. The Imperial Cult started with them, the Grey Knights uphold it and even have a similar icon plus Lorgar was slightly psychic.
It fits and what was their legion colour?....dun dun dun...grey!

Your insane.


Or IS he???

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Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 15:50:50


Post by: iproxtaco


cadbren wrote:Maybe the Grey Knights are actually loyalist Word Bearers. The Imperial Cult started with them, the Grey Knights uphold it and even have a similar icon plus Lorgar was slightly psychic.
It fits and what was their legion colour?....dun dun dun...grey!

Except Grey Knights are all psykers, and their colours are metalic silver to show their purity, not the dark grey of the Word Bearers.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 15:58:30


Post by: English Assassin


I don't think the Word Bearers were intended as a serious suggestion, I presume the point was that it's no less ridiculous that the Grey Knights secretly being both the Custodes and the missing legions.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 17:30:38


Post by: Deadshot


Asurmen blue,by my check.

Early GK halberd used to have S.Bolters in the haft,in the same way Custodes do.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 20:07:13


Post by: Grey Templar


Its just coencidence.


That was back when the Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines was 1/2 Eldar, the Ultramarines were based on a Desert planet and had to scavange equipment from the Traitors. The fluff that old should be viewed with extreme scepticisim.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/08/31 21:16:18


Post by: iproxtaco


Deadshot wrote:Asurmen blue,by my check.

Early GK halberd used to have S.Bolters in the haft,in the same way Custodes do.

Not any more, so like Grey Templar has said, this is dubious. It has been retconned really, Grey Knights now use Storm Bolters attached to their wrists.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 10:01:18


Post by: cadbren


On a serious note, if the Grey Knights have silver armour then what's with the name?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 10:07:51


Post by: ph34r


cadbren wrote:On a serious note, if the Grey Knights have silver armour then what's with the name?
Grey Knights armor is unpainted, their armor is grey/silver. Word Bearers I believe did not have unpainted armor, but rather painted it a darker grey/silver.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 10:08:36


Post by: iproxtaco


They aren't pure and righteous servants of the people, nor are they evil and careless murderers. They're in the middle. They protect by any means necessary.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 10:28:08


Post by: shakey787


cadbren wrote:On a serious note, if the Grey Knights have silver armour then what's with the name?


listen to garro legion of one and oath of moment


Spoiler:
Basically Captain Garro of the death guard, steals oooge spaceship to go to terra to warn EMPREROR about heretical shennanigans of Horus , space marines getting up after lights out, taking chow from the mess hall, and other such lulz,
gets to terra grasses on everyone, and cos noone likes him now cos he's a snitch and that, Malcador the stalagtite says "hey cos your a tool an that n nobody likes you anymore you have no chapter innit"
so Garro gets out the brake fluid and strips his armour of everything, Now his armours grey (AHHHHHHHHHHHH i sees where your going) so malky the hermaphrodite says "cool" and offers Garro an oath swearing to be his homey and that he's not allowed to grass him up and ting.
garro says "mega"
and some mecanichum dude comes in and "Banksies" up his pauldron with Malky's tag, which is a stylised letter I !!!! (OMG MY BRAIN JUST POO'd)
Malky then says "Yo there is only you just now yeah?
Garro = Yeah
Malky = everyones gonna call you billy no mates bruv
Garro = No way i is like a lone badass n that
malky = no creepy or smelly they'll fink, heres a list of some uva bruvas for ya crew
Garro = sweet
Malky = jog on sweetheart

IIRC




Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 11:30:36


Post by: purplefood


Great job on the spoiler tags there...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 11:36:06


Post by: 1hadhq


purplefood wrote:Great job on the spoiler tags there...



Step 1:

- hit "spoiler"

Step2:

- type in or copy in

Step3:

- hit "spoiler*"

Step4 and more:

- preview it, submit it.

done.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 11:49:54


Post by: Henners91


Don't Custodes wear black capes now?

At least, lexicanum implies that they only wore red during the HH and now wear black...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 17:15:24


Post by: ph34r


Henners91 wrote:Don't Custodes wear black capes now?

At least, lexicanum implies that they only wore red during the HH and now wear black...
If they do, it's too bad there has never been any artwork produced for post-heresy Custodes.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 17:40:51


Post by: shakey787


purplefood wrote:Great job on the spoiler tags there...


As i said in my original post i couldnt get it to work, and as i couldnt find instructions i decided to post anyway, Great job on your comment there though, it helped me greatly towards preventing another such incident.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 17:46:05


Post by: purplefood


shakey787 wrote:
purplefood wrote:Great job on the spoiler tags there...


As i said in my original post i couldnt get it to work, and as i couldnt find instructions i decided to post anyway, Great job on your comment there though, it helped me greatly towards preventing another such incident.

Just do what 1hadhq said if you want to spoiler things in the future.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 17:54:41


Post by: iproxtaco


shakey787 wrote:
purplefood wrote:Great job on the spoiler tags there...


As i said in my original post i couldnt get it to work, and as i couldnt find instructions i decided to post anyway, Great job on your comment there though, it helped me greatly towards preventing another such incident.

Then you shouldn't have posted it at all, you deserved any sarcasm directed at your inability to look for the answer before hand.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 18:02:23


Post by: Henners91


It's fun laying into nublets, eh?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 18:06:32


Post by: iproxtaco


Henners91 wrote:It's fun laying into nublets, eh?

Tremendously.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 18:43:11


Post by: sirrah


ph34r wrote:If they do, it's too bad there has never been any artwork produced for post-heresy Custodes.


Well, it's not like they get out much anymore...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/01 23:11:30


Post by: shakey787


iproxtaco wrote:
shakey787 wrote:
purplefood wrote:Great job on the spoiler tags there...


As i said in my original post i couldnt get it to work, and as i couldnt find instructions i decided to post anyway, Great job on your comment there though, it helped me greatly towards preventing another such incident.

Then you shouldn't have posted it at all, you deserved any sarcasm directed at your inability to look for the answer before hand.


lol cheers for your input,
Im glad you felt the need to add your 2 cents to this, i mean who else is going to stir up arguments if you leave your computer unmanned?
I thank you for your constant vigil and dilligence in your duty, i mean you could be a better person and assist one who might require assistance or is new to a forum, but it's far more fun to show what a mature and well balanced individual you are by beratting anyone who isnt as adept as yourself at using online messaging systems, and to show off in front of strangers by trying to whip out your massive online
Spoiler:
phallus
(yaaay i can do it now)
and tank slap another member with it....
Yes i am new to forums and yes im sure yours is indeed very impressive as you have no doubt spent many solitary bleak years pumping it up online sculpting it into a mighty girthy chunk of manliness.

However

I have spent many years developing my Sarcastic pump action custard chucker and your online one wouldnt touch the sides of my sarcasm ones pee hole, now i had left this previous matter of my forum faux pas as it was, for i saw no benefit in instigating an argument over such a trivial point, i was wrong i was suitably flamed for it we all learned from the incident and tried to get on with online life, but your fine self felt this wasnt ample embarrassment and ridicule.

I again apologize profusely for my previous error and ensure you all it shall not happen again, lest i incur the wrath of angry teens
i shall now pay penance by basting my man parts in pate and "sand goggle T-bag" the neighbours rottweiler, i hope to return from hospital in time for my inevitable ban being lifted

Kind Regards
Shakey


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 11:33:24


Post by: iproxtaco


Have fun whatever it is that you do from now on. Maybe you can work on using the shift key when typing the letter 'i' when referring to ones self. That's right, I just dissed your grammar.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 11:55:29


Post by: reds8n


I've had to send warnings to several people with regards to behaviour in this thread, perhaps a reminder of the forum rules would be handy http://www.dakkadakka.com/core/forum_rules.jsp

I hope we don't have to act further.



Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 12:52:34


Post by: Henners91


shakey787 wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:
shakey787 wrote:
purplefood wrote:Great job on the spoiler tags there...


As i said in my original post i couldnt get it to work, and as i couldnt find instructions i decided to post anyway, Great job on your comment there though, it helped me greatly towards preventing another such incident.

Then you shouldn't have posted it at all, you deserved any sarcasm directed at your inability to look for the answer before hand.


lol cheers for your input,
Im glad you felt the need to add your 2 cents to this, i mean who else is going to stir up arguments if you leave your computer unmanned?
I thank you for your constant vigil and dilligence in your duty, i mean you could be a better person and assist one who might require assistance or is new to a forum, but it's far more fun to show what a mature and well balanced individual you are by beratting anyone who isnt as adept as yourself at using online messaging systems, and to show off in front of strangers by trying to whip out your massive online
Spoiler:
phallus
(yaaay i can do it now)
and tank slap another member with it....
Yes i am new to forums and yes im sure yours is indeed very impressive as you have no doubt spent many solitary bleak years pumping it up online sculpting it into a mighty girthy chunk of manliness.

However

I have spent many years developing my Sarcastic pump action custard chucker and your online one wouldnt touch the sides of my sarcasm ones pee hole, now i had left this previous matter of my forum faux pas as it was, for i saw no benefit in instigating an argument over such a trivial point, i was wrong i was suitably flamed for it we all learned from the incident and tried to get on with online life, but your fine self felt this wasnt ample embarrassment and ridicule.

I again apologize profusely for my previous error and ensure you all it shall not happen again, lest i incur the wrath of angry teens
i shall now pay penance by basting my man parts in pate and "sand goggle T-bag" the neighbours rottweiler, i hope to return from hospital in time for my inevitable ban being lifted

Kind Regards
Shakey


Exalted.

It's nice to see petty internet elitism get slapped down a peg from time to time:



Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 16:14:28


Post by: Deadshot


Henners91 wrote:




Lol,exalted.Is that a guy you know or a pic from the Internet?


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 16:21:03


Post by: Grey Templar


either way, its on the internet now


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 16:32:34


Post by: Deadshot


Hehehehehehe!


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 17:03:32


Post by: Grey Templar


I think I improved it a little


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Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/02 17:11:10


Post by: Henners91


I'd say that interpretation added a fair amount of truth to the image, sure...


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/03 07:31:25


Post by: shakey787


iproxtaco wrote:Have fun whatever it is that you do from now on. Maybe you can work on using the shift key when typing the letter 'i' when referring to ones self. That's right, I just dissed your grammar.


Cool
Friendly advice though, When correcting someones grammar, be sure to use commas and not fullstops in the construstion of your statements, lest you'd have a red face.
Kind Regards
Shakey

P.S
lets knock this on the head before one of us gets a ban.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/03 08:02:05


Post by: 1hadhq


shakey787 wrote:
lets knock this on the head before one of us gets a ban.


How about you go edit your post to:

a) get the spoiler to work. Its possible to edit posts.
b) edit that slang-tastic wording. We are not your local buddies, maybe these flags could hint on it?
c) consider your urge to start a "discussion" as off-topic, unnecessary and tiresome? If you feel the need of this, there's PM...



Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/03 08:23:25


Post by: ArbitorIan


ph34r wrote:
Henners91 wrote:Don't Custodes wear black capes now?

At least, lexicanum implies that they only wore red during the HH and now wear black...
If they do, it's too bad there has never been any artwork produced for post-heresy Custodes.


Actually, the very first published images of the Custodes were in their 'post-heresy' attire - from the Rogue Trader book.




Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/04 11:24:35


Post by: shakey787


1hadhq wrote:
shakey787 wrote:
lets knock this on the head before one of us gets a ban.


How about you go edit your post to:

a) get the spoiler to work. Its possible to edit posts.
b) edit that slang-tastic wording. We are not your local buddies, maybe these flags could hint on it?
c) consider your urge to start a "discussion" as off-topic, unnecessary and tiresome? If you feel the need of this, there's PM...



a) done
b)
Spoiler:
Garro goes to terra strips his armout of all markings, Malcador marks his pauldron with his symbol, i looked at your flag and ich sprechen bischen deutch ein oder zwei worder, aber ich bin nicht fließend

c) i never started the argument merely responded.


Adeptus Custodes and The Grey Knights?Possible connection? @ 2011/09/05 08:24:13


Post by: cadbren


shakey787 wrote:
iproxtaco wrote:Have fun whatever it is that you do from now on. Maybe you can work on using the shift key when typing the letter 'i' when referring to ones self. That's right, I just dissed your grammar.


Cool
Friendly advice though, When correcting someones grammar, be sure to use commas and not fullstops in the construstion of your statements, lest you'd have a red face.
Kind Regards
Shakey

P.S
lets knock this on the head before one of us gets a ban.


Or:

[Some] Friendly advice though, when correcting someone's grammar, be sure to use commas and not fullstops in the construction of your statements least you have a red face.