I enjoy playing Warhammer 40k and try to play a game with whoever, whenever. I just like the experience and the challenge. I am really competitive but I could care less if I win a match. I am pretty sure everyone on this forum has run into bad players before. Tell me some of your pet peeves or stories of someone freaking out.
My main problem is playing with someone who can't be a good sport. Constantly complaining when they are losing or just lost the really expensive HQ in the first turn. You know what im talking about. When people come to the group I play in and act like that, no one wants to match up with them. No one wants to hear how OP this is non-stop. It gets old and it's a game for fun.
Another huge problem I run into is cheating. I've only had this happen several times but it makes me livid pissed. Typically the people who do this are the cry babies, because they can't stand to lose. Going over their points or even adding upgrades to their squad that don't exist. I don't know every army perfectly but when I spot this, its game over.
Your opponent whining about his "really bad luck" when they are winning anyway or an opponent that doesnt acknowledge there opponent has done a good job beating them and blame it on how they weren't really paying attention so made lots of mistakes they wouldn't normally, as they can't be beaten unless they make a mistake.
Obviously the standard ones apply, not being jerk, being comlpetely ignorant of rules, obvious netlisting/bandwagoning, cheating, etc.
However a couple things that always annoy me.
When playing Sieze Ground, placing objectives as impossible for the other player to nab as possible. That to me isn't really part of the game strategy, rather it's fiddling with the preconditions. I generally put my objectives somewhere defensible but also obtainable. I'm not going to sit the two or three I get to place exactly 12" from my table edge, I'm going to try and scatter them evenly across the board. I've lost more than one game to an opponent who did not return the favor. Perhaps naieve on my part, but still a pet peeve.
Another is when opponents insist on playing something that just about everyone else will agree is wrong or that an errata changed and we've got copies of it present. Had an opponent once who insisted that every SM book updated all others so his BA drop pods (back in 2008) got the Drop Pod Assault rule to come in turn 1 and that his Land Raiders got the new PotMS despite the judge ruling against him.
Also, side conversations. A little bit of that is fine, but if you spend more time talking to other people than playing the game, it's going to honk me off.
Toastedandy wrote:Cheating, sore losing and generally poor social skills led me to playing with my mates, but now even they won't play me :(
Only messing, I only play with mates nowadays, we just keep playing until only one model is left on the board.
Yeah I have the most fun playing with my close friends because no one really cares. No one cries and we play are game the same way too. Annihilation and unlimited turn just for fun. Plus when someone has a horrible roll or gets wiped on turn 2 we all just laugh and shrug it off.
I've got a couple of minor ones. First, I hate it when an opponent doesn't even know the basics of his force. All your marines have ws 4 bs 4, man. Please, know how strong your bolters are author looking it up.
The second is an opponent who keeps breaking small rules. He forgets to move done of his units before shooting and assaulting, doesn't roll morale after being shot, etc. Its easy to remind him, and letting him move a unit in the corner that really won't make a difference this turn anyway is no big deal, but c'mon,, pay attention.
This thread's always a good one. I dislike codex whiners. You know: "Oh noes, the new Codex X is out. X is so outrageous. It will destroy the solid and well thought out balance that 40k has had since PHIL KELLY (it's always Phil Kelly) singlehandedly instilled in the game by writing Codex WhateverImPlaying." With a repeat of the exact same complaints 4 months from then when the next codex is released, unless its one they play, in which case it's the most underpowered crippled thing in existence.
Tyranids get a pass. While I've won games with Nids, and I see potential for good builds, they still got a kick in the crotch with this one.
Let me explain further. I've been given unending amounts of gak about my GK army, since the moment their codex dropped. It got worse when I won my first two games with them out of the gate just doing what DH (shoot, back up, repeat, charge!) did, only better. I built a list combining all the "new" stuff in the codex, Interceptors, Paladins, a Dreadknight, and Mordrak with a Librarian. Looking back on it, it was pretty haphazard, but I more so wanted to see how each unit performed in a vacuum before beginning to play them off each other. He was playing an AP2 spam Space Wolf list with another friend of mine as a teammate. Needless to say, he moped up my army really well, but he had the gall to bitch and moan about it the entire time. "Mordrak doesn't scatter when he deep strikes, and he can bring terminators with him? Thats outrageous." Kills most of them with plasma, and manages to take the rest of out bolter fire. "Shunting how far?!?!" Wipes them off the table with Long Fangs. This continues through most of the game. His teammate was largely silent through this, detecting the irritation that I was feeling at the time.
At the end of it, I hardly put a dent in his army, and he massacred me. Tailoring or no, and lack of optimization or not on my part, I calmly asked him where the cheese was in the army, and pointed to each unit, now removed from the table, and asked him if that was the overpowered unit that singlehandedly wiped out his army, or perhaps if it was another one. He got very quiet for the rest of the night, but he's stopped his moaning. We seldom play 40k with him anymore, though the last time we did play a few weeks ago it was quite civil.
I've never played a "pick up" game. Only against my close friends. So, a lot of the things I generally see in these threads I haven't come across. We're generally reasonable people.
I don't like list-taylering, though. When we play campaign games, you know who you play each time, so you can make your list accordingly. A few times, I've asked everyone to make a single, all-comers list for a given round. And since it's a campaign, you are definitely playing to win since you don't want to let your team down.
I have found the games where you had to make an all-comers list (more balanced) to be much more enjoyable.
People who complain about "cheese" and powerful units, especially in a competitive environment. When I'm playing to win, not necessarily for fun, I'm going to use the best units my army has to offer. No, I'm not going to make a more well-balanced force that's ultimately easier to take down just because you don't have a counter to my uber-squad.
My biggest peeve is sore losers. There's one buddy of mine (who doesn't play anymore) who would know the outcome of the game by turn 2. When I take down his big heavy unit on turn 1, or turn 2 goes past without him getting a wound off due to poor luck, he's instantly lost the entire game. Never mind the fact that there's 3 turns left to play, with a possible 2 more.
People that confuse 'annoying' with 'overpowered'. I distinctly remember a SW player calling cheese because he charged some Dire Avengers with Terminators and found out they all got a 5++ because of the shimmershield and Defend taking away an attack. Apparently he said that they're just supposed to die because they're Eldar or some stupid gak like that.
add in the "my list only has a weakness to (inseert whatever army they played against) " or "thier super competative ork shooting list (lawl) just destroyed my "fluffy" tournament list that i pulled off the internet" nevermind that the list is a spam list and for hypercompetative tournament play they just don't knwo how to use it
... then there are the take 30 minuetes to finish their movement, 30 min to decidee who to shoot what and then 15 min to decide if you're gonna assault
The usual irks: People that think that they know everything about the rules and call you out on every misstep you make (even when you've only played the game a few times, and especially when they get all high and mighty when you quiz them about why there's a need for such niggling rules anyhow). A huge irk is when one of my regular opponents feels he has to have a cigarette at least once every game turn, and always when he's needed-ie he tends to not do it so much when its one on one, but its a constant when there's more players.....oh and he owes me money...so I'm not to fond of him right now. When they (usually the younger ones) start whining about how I can't use x model because its converted, despite making it quite clear before a game what everything is (and I usually leave the wierder things to games against mates btw). The generic taking forever to set up and then proceeding to either spend the rest of the game taking ages to do anything, or complaining that my own turns are taking too long (which seeing as I usually just shoot off at whatever thing's closest and they're the one's roling all the saving throws...). Playing broken armies in non competive enviroments for whatever reason-a semi regular opponent's reason is that in the old rules when he made his army up the rules weren't broken....uhuh...but you have two of every model and six armies to choose from but you always go for that loadout... Complaining that my models are too dirty mid match for no apparent reason (when theirs are covered gold decals and not a bit of mud in sight)....especially when they're not even the ones are playing me. ¬¬
Rant, rave, etc....
....And for god's sake who gives a hell if I use circular bases when they're meant to be square? That's all I have and I told you that when I was building the bloody things. ...This was meant to be a friendly game, and well...you weren't really my friend in the first place. ^^
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:People that confuse 'annoying' with 'overpowered'. I distinctly remember a SW player calling cheese because he charged some Dire Avengers with Terminators and found out they all got a 5++ because of the shimmershield and Defend taking away an attack. Apparently he said that they're just supposed to die because they're Eldar or some stupid gak like that.
Wow, That person REALLY needs to think before he talks.
1: Opponent saying 'Basilisk skill'.
2: Complaining that GKs are underpowered because there aren't as many models on their field as on mine.
3: Accusing me of cheating for placing a model in a slightly different position after it falls over, then trying to move an infantry unit about 8".
"I HAVE ROLLED NOTHING BUT ONES" followed by fist hitting board knocking models down.
And this is from people over 18 y/o. Seriously, I cannot believe the childishness this hobby can bring out of some people.
(Though to be fair, it does seem that such people were already socially awkward or socially unaware to begin with)
1. A bad sport (cheating, gloating, whining, visibly urging my dice to be bad, etc.....)
2. An opponent who complains a lot about bad dice. I can understand a comment or two about your bad dice if they're really bad. Just dont take it too far.
3. An opponent who needs to look up more than 10% of the rules during the game. If they're obviously new, then of course, this doesnt apply to them. But if you've had your army for a while, you should know the rules.
4. (friendly games only) When I tell an opponent that I have very little knowledge of a particular codex or unit and they dont tell me everything it does, and later in the game, he/she takes advantage of my lack of knowledge. In a tourney, fine, I shouldve been prepared. But in a friendly game thats just a jerk move.
I hate people who give up. If I assault with a much stronger unit, my opponent will just remove all his models saying that there is no way they could survive. I feel like he is giving up, and robbing me of the satisfaction of a solid kill point.
But I would say that a pet peeve of his might be that if he assaults me with a massively overwhelming force, and lets say I have only 2 guys left, I will make him roll all the wounds, and then take my saves for each one, praying for a miracle.
I play with good friends mostly, and don't really have problems with them, gameplay-wise. What does FRUSTRATE the feth outta me is when ever his turn is over he go's to look at the bits bin, which is in another room at the other side of the store we play at. I have to go collect him after movement because I don't want him to think I am cheating with my shooting.
My pet peeve. Personal Hygene. Wash before you come out into public to play games in an enclosed space.
Cheaters, these WAAC jacknoggins greatly annoy me.
Let me explain further. I've been given unending amounts of gak about my GK army, since the moment their codex dropped.
Sounds like you're largely exposed to people-of-dubious-parentage, if that's the case. I've played against GK - in fact, my best friend loves them, so I play against them a lot. Grey Knights gained some cool abilities, varied units, and some gorgeous, brand new sculpts when their new Codex came out. To my mind, that's what every 40k Codex release should be about. Jokes about them drinking nun blood and carving their names on the hearts of Chaos Gods aside, they're a nice army with scope for imaginative builds. I think it's a bit hypocritical, though, to be judgemental of people who are unhappy when their Codex doesn't include either cool abilities, varied units, or gorgeous, brand new sculpts - especially when you explicitly say you don't mind Tyranid players being unhappy about the state of their Codex. Speaking as a Sisters of Battle/Witch Hunters player, all GW had to do to silence all of my complaints was give me one new model to collect - even if it was just legalising Forge World's Repressors, to give me a reason to replace all of my Rhinos and keep me busy for a while.
My pet peeves with players are few. The biggest is probably people who refuse to leave the gaming table when they smoke. Second biggest would be folks who think that rolling the dice is an act of artillery bombardment in its own right - you just need to roll, you don't need to hurl them - which goes double for folks who actually move/topple models when they do so. Folks who get shirty, obnoxious and/or bitchy when I roll well - I always make an effort to be enthusiastic about my opponent's successes, because to me enjoying the battle honestly is more important than winning. That's about it. I don't find over-enthusiastic kids annoying - if they want to thrust their Wolf Lord in my face and spend ten minutes telling me how they painted it, I'm not going to shoot them down over it - the hobby needs new blood. I don't find folks who need help with the rules annoying - much in the same way as I'm understanding of Learner Drivers - everybody was like that once.
AustonT wrote:My pet peeve. Personal Hygene. Wash before you come out into public to play games in an enclosed space.
This, holy sweet mother of all that is awesome and fluffy, this. I can deal with bad players who whine, cheat, and are generally obnoxious because I call things as I see them and don't give a about hurting my opponent's feelings if they're detracting from a positive game experience.
But a smelly player...Emperor protect them from my deodorant infused wrath. Gamers that have poor hygiene are an embarassment to the whole gaming community and only serve to perpetuate a stereotype most of us work very hard to dispel, only to have it ruined by some shmuck who can't figure out a shower handle or a stick of deodorant.
I only wish game stores would remove smelly/filthy/unkempt individuals. That'd give them a wake up call.
Connor McKane wrote:I hate people who give up. If I assault with a much stronger unit, my opponent will just remove all his models saying that there is no way they could survive. I feel like he is giving up, and robbing me of the satisfaction of a solid kill point.
This. But also the opposite when someone goes, just take the damn models off the board, there's no way you'll live.
Blacksails wrote:
I only wish game stores would remove smelly/filthy/unkempt individuals. That'd give them a wake up call.
*sigh*
But then the stores would only have like 2 customers.
Hahaha, I thought about that too, but then again, GW is like cocaine. They'd get kicked out then realize if they showered they could come back. Might work.
Stalling in tournaments. I very rarely finish games at tournaments, and often it has to do with that guy just moves his tank 12 inches through difficult ter...wait, no, tank shocks this squad in cov...wait, no...drives 12 towa...wait, no...pops smoke. That gak gets old.
While I'm at it again, people who take things that aren't optimal in their book and cry if you don't do the same.
I mean, I understand there's fun units but if you want to take 30 Mandrakes then shut the feth up.
A friend surrendered on the second turn because I destroyed his Stormraven and Tycho. I was on a team with him once when him and I were playing against another two perople. He thought he won. The game still hadn't finished and he removes his army from the table just so he can say that he "won" the battle
One day right before I quit 40k 8 months ago, I was having a game with an old friend, my Tau VS his nids.
Some assjack comes out of nowhere and says "Tau fething suck. You need to just throw away all your models!" And he just hovered over the board the whole game, making comments like that. I Ignored him for the most part, save the times I got a smug look on my face when he said my crisis suits were going to die in CC against the Genestealers and my Crisis Suits wiped them out in CC.
But towards the end he just cranked the asshat meter to 11 (instead of making 10 louder) and just started moving my models. My friend finally snapped and yelled at him for trying to interrupt our game all day. The guy was kicked out by the store manager, who had watched the whole thing and was surprised I didn't yell at the Ass earlier. The Ass was like 25.
After that, I packed up my models, figuring it's not worth dealing with. Since I came back to 40k, I haven't made it out to the FLGS yet, mostly just playing on Vassal or at the friend's house when we both get days off. Going to try and make it up there around Christmas when my army is painted and based.
I'm not a fan of cheaters either. And There is only one reason you should not bathe, you play Mono-Nurgle. if you smell like rotten sewage, you better be breaking out Death Guard or Plague Bearers. I will allow that based on the fact that you are being true to your army.
yamgrenade wrote:I play with good friends mostly, and don't really have problems with them, gameplay-wise. What does FRUSTRATE the feth outta me is when ever his turn is over he go's to look at the bits bin, which is in another room at the other side of the store we play at. I have to go collect him after movement because I don't want him to think I am cheating with my shooting.
Seriously, every time he does this, slap him in the face. Every time. Eventually it'll get drilled into him to not walk away when playing a game.
Vaktathi - seems like you need oppponets to check seize ground; you place objectives before knowing who has what side. So if they place them in impossible locations that could really backfire if you win the roll off....
Peeve: people who are ranked very highly in the UK really trying to suggest that a tank that has pivoted counts as moving combat speed in asssault. Sigh.
Eeps wrote:People who complain about how they always roll badly. Thats not how maths works.
actually that is how maths works, the probability pool for dice includes all dice not just the ones you roll, therefore it is entirely probable for one player to roll badly for a whole game and for the other player to roll well. Overall in the giant galactic dice pool probability will even out however there will be freak distributions within the pool. I know this for a fact having spent a six month period recording my dice rolls and found that my marines only hit approx 40% of the time and i only passed about 50% of power armour saves. i have also had the occassion where in playing two games in one day I rolled obscenely well (rare for me) so I know full well the vagaries of the dice. Even dice manufacturers know that dice are biased, it has to do with where the dice was attached to the sprue and how it was tumbled to clean it up. So some batches of dice will roll more ones and some will roll more sixes (something the baddice podcast dice are famous for) so find a good batch and hang on to them.
I CANNOT STAND IT when other people start jumping into the game. I am coming up with little strategies and tactics and I get 1-2 sometimes 3 people who butt into the game and start telling my opponent what to do and not to forget about this objective and to move this and move that and start rule battles with me. and they start saying things like OH NO YOU DON'T GET COVER!
Thankfully I just ignore them and focus on 1 thing! and that is if I win I just destroyed 2 minds against 1 and I almost never lose a game when this happens so it gives me relief lol.
but oh man still so freaking annoying! talk about complete and utter disrespect for a game they are not involved in!!!
When I watch a game and see someone making a bad move or forgetting something I don't say a thing I just let them learn from their own mistakes. instead of taking a victory away from another player because I interrupted a game and revealed things I had no business in.
Downers. I loathe downers with a passion. When I say downer, I mean the guy who just doesn't even care about playing after a particular string of bad rolls or losses.
When I take a heavy thrashing, I still make good sport of it. "Tank out my tanks will you??? Well then prepare to face death in the form of lasguns and bayonets!". If you think defeat is certain, just make up secret objective to make the game still be somewhat fun. "You didn't beat me, I just retreated after killing your terminator squad with my conscripts mwahaha!"
Necroshea wrote:Downers. I loathe downers with a passion. When I say downer, I mean the guy who just doesn't even care about playing after a particular string of bad rolls or losses.
I find this very annoying to. or people who use the old "if I had rolled better I prob would have easily won"
So I reply with "if I had millions of dollars I would probably be rich"
Eeps wrote:People who complain about how they always roll badly. Thats not how maths works.
actually that is how maths works, the probability pool for dice includes all dice not just the ones you roll, therefore it is entirely probable for one player to roll badly for a whole game and for the other player to roll well. Overall in the giant galactic dice pool probability will even out however there will be freak distributions within the pool. I know this for a fact having spent a six month period recording my dice rolls and found that my marines only hit approx 40% of the time and i only passed about 50% of power armour saves. i have also had the occassion where in playing two games in one day I rolled obscenely well (rare for me) so I know full well the vagaries of the dice. Even dice manufacturers know that dice are biased, it has to do with where the dice was attached to the sprue and how it was tumbled to clean it up. So some batches of dice will roll more ones and some will roll more sixes (something the baddice podcast dice are famous for) so find a good batch and hang on to them.
Oh look an attempt to insult me on a forum "urk" *dies*
Actually quite the opposite in fact, makes you better at gaming rather than math hammering. Also makes the games a lot more fun overcoming poor luck to win. Playing with bad luck makes you focus a lot more on achieving one or two big wins every turn in certain fashion rather than math hammering and spraying and praying. This means I get a good win record in spite of bad luck and when the dice gods show me some kindness I can pull off some stupendous wins.
Makes things lots of fun as you never really know which way things will go and there's always time for some comedy voices from my inept troops.
Guys who math hammer are the ones who are that guy, they don't focus properly, and complain when they don't get there mathematical turn of win. Math hammering also slows the game down immeasurably as they take ages working out every tiny odd before committing to it. Also they tend not to get great results as they have a fear of gambling or taking risk which can be hugely exploited.
The other thing that irritates me is people who when proved wrong on a forum choose not to engage in debate or rebuttal but simply try to post a snide attempt at an insult ;-p
Not flaming or anything, but you are falling into a trap of misunderstanding. If you play enough games in your life, you will on average roll the same as anyone else, its how it works basically.
Your belief that you are "unlucky" with dice, is something that bugs be about other players and is my pet peeve in the gamin community. Its just my answer to the the thread basically.
htj wrote:"If you play enough games in your life, you will on average roll the same as anyone else, its how it works basically"
This is the Gambler's Fallacy, as detailed in your second link.
Not really, its about dependence versus independence of probabalistic events. Over the lifetime of a wargamer, their distribution of dice rolls will very likely be 1/6th of the time rolling each of the numbers. Anything otherwise is not because you are inherently unlucky, its just a random deviation and is likely to be pretty insignificant if you roll enough dice.
Oh dear you resulted to wikipedia you do realize showing graphs of standard deviation actually proves my point. In any distribution group there are always those that fit ouside the mean. These in an even distribution such as probability will generally balance each other so people who roll poorly a lot are balanced by those that roll well a lot.
However there are also many other factors than can result in a distribution being skewed. Like I said before mass manufactured dice are biased, this is why casino dice are made to such high specifications and are discarded when edges get damaged. That is one factor. Another factor is how people roll the dice, there are plenty of well known street hustlers ways of predetermining a role but aside from this, if you introduce the behavior you impart on a dice, which will differ from person to person, combined with a bias in the dice will result in a fairly complex interaction.
Give the same set of dice to two different people and you will see slightly different behaviors from the results. This is because rolling a six isn't a one in six as there are other environmental bias being placed upon the subject.
Your analogy that everything evens out falls down horribly under scrutiny. Everyone has the same odds of winning the lottery so everyone who plays it should win the same amount of times? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of non-winners out there and there are certainly plenty of multiple winners.
You need to look at chaos theory and probability within complex systems rather than high school maths.
I'm not contending that luck has anything to do with it, but if you consistently roll badly, your next roll is just as likely to be bad. A string of bad rolling does not have to balance out because it is statistically unlikely, that is the Gambler's Fallacy right there. In most cases, if your recorded all a players rolls, they would probably bear out to the statistical average, but rolling badly does not promise better rolling in the future.
htj wrote:I'm not contending that luck has anything to do with it, but if you consistently roll badly, your next roll is just as likely to be bad. A string of bad rolling does not have to balance out because it is statistically unlikely, that is the Gambler's Fallacy right there. In most cases, if your recorded all a players rolls, they would probably bear out to the statistical average, but rolling badly does not promise better rolling in the future.
exactly, nor does rolling badly impy rolling badly in the future, and that right there is what bugs me about my fellow wargamers.
zedmeister wrote:You gents are heading widely off topic. Can we return to horror stories about TFG's, ADHD children and adults throwing temper tantrums?
A good call, as I am beginning to suspect this discussion is caused by a misleading comment in Eeps' original post. Namely 'that's not how math works' when the annoyance seems to be more 'there is no such thing as bad luck.'
Actually if all the external factors remain the same its more likely the outcome will remain the same as it is external factors such as the bias of the die of the dice rolling mechanic influencing the erroneous behaviour are still influencing the outcome. You would have to have a completely unbiased system for the standard mathematical model of probability to fit.
zedmeister wrote:You gents are heading widely off topic. Can we return to horror stories about TFG's, ADHD children and adults throwing temper tantrums?
nosferatu1001 wrote:Peeve: people who are ranked very highly in the UK really trying to suggest that a tank that has pivoted counts as moving combat speed in asssault. Sigh.
For the purposes of getting a unit out of a transport vehicle and assaulting with them, it does. But if you're talking about charging the vehicle, during his movement phase say: "Just so you know, if you want to count pivoting as moving combat speed, then you cant fire more than 1 gun unless you're fast"
zedmeister wrote:You gents are heading widely off topic. Can we return to horror stories about TFG's, ADHD children and adults throwing temper tantrums?
Namely 'that's not how math works'
with an "S" dear heart, I'm not American
My apologies, I did not mean to imply as such. I merely mis-typed.
I hate it when I click on a 2-page thread on a forum and find that an entire page is full of an argument that's gone completely off-topic...
What's starting to bug me is people who tell me I should put my Wolf Lords (who are on Thunderwolves) on the tournament-legal 60mm bases, instead of the cavalry ones I use now. I gladly will, as soon as I join a tournament, which is never (for various reasons, mostly modeling). In a casual setting, I'm going to use the base that makes the most sense.
Pick up games where your opponent asks "What are you playing?" and then pulls out a list tailored specifically to beat that army.
That gamer that always calls the measurement right at the edge out for your shots or assaults, but in for his/hers.
People that don't have their codex, don't have their list, don't have their rulebook, and insist on everything being OK because they are working "from memory".
The "move the tape measure with the vehicle/model" move.
I would have to say when people put their dice away and always have to take them back out.
Another is when people roll one die at a time when they have about over 10 to roll
another is when people touch your models when they are dead. its kind of like just let me take them off unless i ask you too please.
the final would have to be people that complain the a codex is OP when they loose to it, yes I do play IG but I dont run a tourny list when playing friends. ive got friends that call my nids OP and its one of those moments where you just look at them and wonder what they are thinking.
First timers with anger issues. They are everywhere.
A kid I played punched my Terminators off the board and smashed them with a rulebook after I explained why my PFID's his Ethreal. I was kinda tired, and they were AOBR so I said whatever. I the explain to him what happens if an Ethreal dies, he (not joking here) picks up his Ethreal and screams "WHY DO YOU SUCK???". The kid left the store with his tau still set up. We left it like that for a day, and whenever someone would come in, we would yell at the Ethreal. Fun stuff.
Chowderhead wrote:First timers with anger issues. They are everywhere.
A kid I played punched my Terminators off the board and smashed them with a rulebook after I explained why my PFID's his Ethreal. I was kinda tired, and they were AOBR so I said whatever. I the explain to him what happens if an Ethreal dies, he (not joking here) picks up his Ethreal and screams "WHY DO YOU SUCK???". The kid left the store with his tau still set up. We left it like that for a day, and whenever someone would come in, we would yell at the Ethreal. Fun stuff.
Holy Ragequit Batman...
Anyway, my pet peeves include:
1) calling someone WAAC for using a highly tuned competitive list...no it might not be intuitive in how it works, but welcome to 40k...
2) people swearing and raging about their dice while I'm playing them, I mean cmon...I'm having bad rolls here and there too.
3) the "so what list are you playing?...oh that?...I'll beat that EASY"... just play the game
4) insert any of the egotistical mannerisms I've encountered playing this game
I got one...player's who have ten different kinds of dice, some of them small, large, square and round. I played a guy not too long ago that had one set for LD tests, one for shooting, another for saves, some custom logo'd die that when questioned was told oh i won these in a tourney.
He was a good player but in the back of my mind i couldn't help but wonder if some were loaded.
Deathshead420 wrote:I got one...player's who have ten different kinds of dice, some of them small, large, square and round. I played a guy not too long ago that had one set for LD tests, one for shooting, another for saves, some custom logo'd die that when questioned was told oh i won these in a tourney.
He was a good player but in the back of my mind i couldn't help but wonder if some were loaded.
I do that to a point. not due to cheatign or anything. I tend to use a set of 4 large dice for leadership or anythign using less than 5 dice then my chessex dice for regular gaming. mostly because they are nicer dice the vegas style sharp corners and painted on numbers vs the cheap rounded edge pipped dices
also i use em for when i have say a bunch of shoota shots and 2 rokkits... throw the other dice in to and get those results as different than my yellow chessix... makes thigns go faster
Im not talking about differentiating different shots or wound allocation. Also same guy tried to give me advice at the end of the night by saying that i would get better rolls if i didn't shake my dice just pic them up and fold them over.
My newest pet peeve: HAVING SUCH TINY HANDS! It's so hard to roll all those dice so my FoTM Blood Angels can wreck your silly outdated Tau. Why don't you roll half of my dice, For the Greater Good.
As far as dice goes...I dunno if I can agree. I would probably suggest loaded dice if the results were the same. I run a set of large and small chessex dice, black and red GW dice, and white GW dice. Why? My Death company rolls used to be ridonkulous and I needed them all. Now I use different colors and sizes to simplify complicated rolls. Big ones for power weapons, red ones for WS5 etc. But those choices are arbitrary based on the dice I have out.
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Deathshead420 wrote:Im not talking about differentiating different shots or wound allocation. Also same guy tried to give me advice at the end of the night by saying that i would get better rolls if i didn't shake my dice just pic them up and fold them over.
Oops I missed this.
He sounds like a little bit of a tool. I advise my friends of my opinion that large dice roll higher. And then inform them that in my own real world experiments, that it's total bs.
I did a little digging and found that the large dice with square edges have to banked off of something in Vegas ....maybe there is something to this after all, if i play him again I will say something before we start.
well, I just absolutely despise playing against unpainted armies. The only thing worse than that is playing against an army so horribly painted that the models would have looked better unpainted.
I also get annoyed playing with people who are bad at the rules, I can understand if someone is just starting to learn the game, or their army, or even forgets a rule, it happens to all of us, but there times when you've just looked through your codex and rulebook way too many times
look up dice differences. basically statistically a dice with sharp edges and painted on numbers will produce a mroe random roll vs cheap plastic rounded edge dice which will alsway be slightly off balance due to having the shaved edges and bubbles in the plastic... however you are right they can be manipulated esp if rolled one at a timeand palmed. it is almost impossible to do this kind of a tecnique when you have to bank dice this is why dice towers net the most fair results
there's a dakkaarticle to get you started, now google it for more results.. i do it do make things mroe statistically far though the guy you play with sounds like he's using throwing tricks... which is cheating
I am highly annoyed when playing against someone who can't speak swedish, nor english, nor german (which one of my friends can), and it takes about 5 minutes to explain each rule. There is one particular guy who comes to our local store sometimes. I'd rather play against a WAAC list than him...
1. People who don't place a die showing the damage result next to/on a damaged vehicle....and then forgetting who was Shaken, who was Immobilized and who had Weapons Destroyed.
2. People who don't put two dice next to a unit requiring a Break Test....and then forgetting to do the test at the end of the phase.
3. People who remove successful rolls first and fast, and leave the failures on the table.
4. I hate all dice that don't have normal and clear pips. The lame dice with lame symbols (sometimes representing "6", sometimes representing "1") or blue dice with blue pips af a slightly different colour. Don't even get me started on the players that mix all of them together and add in dice with numerals.
G00fySmiley wrote:look up dice differences. basically statistically a dice with sharp edges and painted on numbers will produce a mroe random roll vs cheap plastic rounded edge dice which will alsway be slightly off balance due to having the shaved edges and bubbles in the plastic... however you are right they can be manipulated esp if rolled one at a timeand palmed. it is almost impossible to do this kind of a tecnique when you have to bank dice this is why dice towers net the most fair results
there's a dakkaarticle to get you started, now google it for more results.. i do it do make things mroe statistically far though the guy you play with sounds like he's using throwing tricks... which is cheating
This is effing awesome. 144,000 independent dice rolls later...
everything after 3rd edition. the players, the rules, the hobby itself.
I've been on the fence for a few years now trying to decide if it's worth getting back into the game. I have a ton of orks still on the sprues but the more i think about it the more i dont feel like the effort will be justified.
I'll have to buy 2 or 3 new codecies before i even get them table ready, I'll have to replace units that will be altered or dropped or reinvented. I think its time to just buy the models i like and paint them. These stories are just reminding me of every game ive played in the past few years.
Saintspirit wrote:I am highly annoyed when playing against someone who can't speak swedish, nor english, nor german (which one of my friends can), and it takes about 5 minutes to explain each rule. There is one particular guy who comes to our local store sometimes. I'd rather play against a WAAC list than him...
I HAVE to ask. If you are playing in Sweden, and your opponent doesn't speak Swedish, English, or German...what does he speak. I'll skip ahead if he speaks French just assume that you won the game by forfeit.
AustonT wrote:I HAVE to ask. If you are playing in Sweden, and your opponent doesn't speak Swedish, English, or German...what does he speak. I'll skip ahead if he speaks French just assume that you won the game by forfeit.
Learn how to lose with grace - and apply the same to winning.
Players who don't know their armies. Sure, the noobs get some slack here, but if you've been playing with them for a year, you should know your basic stuff.
E.G. SM are 4s for WS, BS, S and T with a 3+ save.
This profile hasn't changed much in the last 10 years.
Dual Face wrote:well, I just absolutely despise playing against unpainted armies. The only thing worse than that is playing against an army so horribly painted that the models would have looked better unpainted.
I also get annoyed playing with people who are bad at the rules, I can understand if someone is just starting to learn the game, or their army, or even forgets a rule, it happens to all of us, but there times when you've just looked through your codex and rulebook way too many times
I know how you feel about the unpainted army thing. I don't really care that much but it kind of gets to me. The group I play with now is pretty new to warhammer, most of them are friends. They are more focused on playing and don't paint, or slop paint. I've always been more geared to the painting then playing so I guess that's why I wished the other army looked good. Im no pro painter but everything I have on the table is painted clean and looks the way I want it. Like a coloring book, staying in the lines and not running paint over other things.
I love painting and one of the ultramarine players is paying me to paint his army. So it's a win win for me.
After reading all 3 pages I cant belive this one hasent been said
The guy that upon entering the gaming area picks the side he likes best and sets his army down on it. Then "doesnt want to move all his army" when you want to roll for it. Makes you to be the a hole.
2: Anniahlation only players. Some times objectives are fun too.
Mal the Wolf wrote:After reading all 3 pages I cant belive this one hasent been said
The guy that upon entering the gaming area picks the side he likes best and sets his army down on it. Then "doesnt want to move all his army" when you want to roll for it. Makes you to be the a hole.
2: Anniahlation only players. Some times objectives are fun too.
I'm a good enough sport and I let things slide a lot. In pick up games against friends BOTH of us will often say "you wanna roll for sides" "no". But if I don't know you and we play a scheduled, league, or tourney game and I win sides. I may pick the side the described douchewagon is on just to BE the donkey-cave. They are plastic and metal toys we both intend to push around a sheet of plywood. Pick up your gak and hope 6ed doesn't go back to alternating places by FoC. I seem to remember it being bad form to lay down your army until it was time to place.
AustonT wrote:My pet peeve. Personal Hygene. Wash before you come out into public to play games in an enclosed space.
This, holy sweet mother of all that is awesome and fluffy, this. I can deal with bad players who whine, cheat, and are generally obnoxious because I call things as I see them and don't give a about hurting my opponent's feelings if they're detracting from a positive game experience.
But a smelly player...Emperor protect them from my deodorant infused wrath. Gamers that have poor hygiene are an embarassment to the whole gaming community and only serve to perpetuate a stereotype most of us work very hard to dispel, only to have it ruined by some shmuck who can't figure out a shower handle or a stick of deodorant.
I only wish game stores would remove smelly/filthy/unkempt individuals. That'd give them a wake up call.
*sigh*
well, to be fair there are many lvls of hygiene. Some people are naturally smelly or just sweat more then others. On the other hand its usually easy to tell if someone has never seen a shower....
Jubear wrote:Super fluffy palyers that wanna tell you all about there custom SM chapter
Why? I mean, it is part of the hobby, making your own stuff.
It sure is. Just don't be so sure that everybody wants to hear about it.
In my experience, the people that write entire tracts about their custom chapter (and what they have done since the Heresy...and why they are so awesome) are completely oblivious to the subtle hints that the unfortunate victim JUST DON'T CARE.
Steelmage - oh god, the success pick-er uppe-rs, hate them. Same guy as was trying to claim a pivot (which he expressly stated as such) mean 4+ to hit in close combat.
People who model for advantage. Hate them. Cool model - yes ,fair enough. When done expressly to gain an advantage? Sorry, no.
Jubear wrote:Super fluffy palyers that wanna tell you all about there custom SM chapter
Why? I mean, it is part of the hobby, making your own stuff.
It sure is. Just don't be so sure that everybody wants to hear about it.
In my experience, the people that write entire tracts about their custom chapter (and what they have done since the Heresy...and why they are so awesome) are completely oblivious to the subtle hints that the unfortunate victim JUST DON'T CARE.
A thousand times this. It may be interesting for a while, but after an hour when they get onto the part where they stole a battle barge from the Black Templars and are thus allied with the Tau while fleeing the Templars but still allied with the Imperium you just want them to stop and get on with the game.
If someone asks what chapter you play, just say it's a custom one and the name. If they want to know more they'll ask.
nosferatu1001 wrote:Steelmage - oh god, the success pick-er uppe-rs, hate them. Same guy as was trying to claim a pivot (which he expressly stated as such) mean 4+ to hit in close combat.
People who model for advantage. Hate them. Cool model - yes ,fair enough. When done expressly to gain an advantage? Sorry, no.
90% of the time I clear failures first but gakky rolls or needing I tend to pick out successes because there's a lot fewer of them. I know your frustration otherwise though.
That's fair enough - when its Orks, or my psycannons, then pulling successes can make more sense. Just at least give the opponent time to *see* that youre pulling successes, and not failures. The amount of time it saves is negligible compared to other parts of the game (like target priority) compared to the impression it gives to the opponent.
How aboout the ones who say you have never faced a real list, thiat list would not last 2 turns agaist a real list and then whont sit down and play your list
I got a new one: This only applies to Vassal and is why I will be working every shift I can get for the next month so I can pay off my truck and drive to the FLGS.
People who make maps, but don't mark what blocks LOS, and never bring it up until your shooting phase.
My friends crying "cheese' or "OP" or "nube unit/list" or "spam" or calling ANYTHING "unstoppable" in a none too serious game, especially when that something is very stoppable if dealt with correctly. Cheating also, like moving the extra inch to get into melee or shooting range and then defending it as a fair 6" move, when it clearly goes past the tape measure moments before. Not having a army list is also very annoying, firstly because on the spot counting normally done by me isn't always accurate, and that person generaly says "ow ya well, they're like 450 points" no, there is no "like", there is only "is" and "isnt" 450 points. This also tends to lead to them adding in a few extra upgrades which I know they do but its to long to count it all out myself. Other then that, ya it's ok, except when none of the rules for melee are remembered by the player who is a melee oriented army yup, longest turns the whole game.
Ineed2bucks wrote:My friends crying "cheese' or "OP" or "nube unit/list" or "spam" or calling ANYTHING "unstoppable" in a none too serious game, especially when that something is very stoppable if dealt with correctly. Cheating also, like moving the extra inch to get into melee or shooting range and then defending it as a fair 6" move, when it clearly goes past the tape measure moments before. Not having a army list is also very annoying, firstly because on the spot counting normally done by me isn't always accurate, and that person generaly says "ow ya well, they're like 450 points" no, there is no "like", there is only "is" and "isnt" 450 points. This also tends to lead to them adding in a few extra upgrades which I know they do but its to long to count it all out myself. Other then that, ya it's ok, except when none of the rules for melee are remembered by the player who is a melee oriented army yup, longest turns the whole game.
Only one time did I ever play against someone who didn't have a list out of good faith, he used 2800 points against an 1850 point army (friend calced out the points after the game, since this enemy was a known cheat. He said I should be pissed, I didn't care one way or the other).
The moral of this story is No list no Play. Just like with Football players who sleep in class, they no pass, they no play. Start enforcing it.
nosferatu1001 wrote:People who model for advantage. Hate them. Cool model - yes ,fair enough. When done expressly to gain an advantage? Sorry, no.
Isn't mfa a bit of a two edged sword? I mean i agree with you but the few times I have played against gratuitously modeled units its usually worked in my favor, for example a guy at my local has a Sentinel modeled walking over a wall and it has a good half inch extra height on it but it just make it easier for my dev squad to take it out with krak missile.
My personal pet peeve, and i realize i may cop some flak for this, is melta spam. OH MY GOD I HATE MELTA SPAM!! Way to take the fun out of the game. A Melta gun here or there i don't mind but when every squad has an ing melta weapon of some description it just gets boring. Now i can see the appeal in having mega amounts of meltas in games against those with lots of vehicles, the likes of blood angels, GK, and Eldar. I've stopped using tanks in most games and instead just field an extra dev squad. "Oh you killed 1 marine with a melta gun? Congratulations, now have a lascannon blast to the face."
My favorite player complaint came not during one of my games, but instead the game of a friend. My friend is putting his fairly well painted army out on the table and his opponent starts to rant bloody murder than his bases aren't flocked and how terrible it makes everything look. Opponent then proceeds to start pulling out minis with fully flocked bases that look like they have been painted by an insane 3 year old. We just laughed at the guy for half an hour for complaining about how awful my friend's well painted, but unflocked base figures looked and his own completely looked like total crap.
I just don't get the kinds of things people obsess about in that kind of context.
I have a good friend who plays IG and has played IG for years. He also plays halflings in Bloodbowl. Unfortunately he plays the not so great performers and then complains constantly when they perform as designed. He complains his IG don't get saves against most weapons, and that their WS, BS, S and T are only 3. He complains that his halflings can't hurt an opponent without ganging up on them and how my dwarves are strong enough to effectively over power his halflings one on one and it just goes on and on. It gets tiresome, but he is a good friend and is someone who is *always* ready to play a game of 40k every time. It is just strange...hahahaha
Less of a pet peeve more an annoyance and point of bad taste:
An official GW store opened about 20 minutes from my house and on the second weekend it was open we went in to pick some things up and scope the players. There was a kid there, IG player, whose Leman Russes were made out of CARDBOARD, and his CCS was fething paper cutouts on bottle caps. Worst of all, he had only a single squad of actual models, and the other 30+ infantry were horribly cast silicon versions of the real models.
He went out to get them out of his car and they were limp and saggy from the heat. It was embarassing for anyone standing nearby.
A big pet peeve for me is inefficient dice habits. Putting them back in the box, staring at the dice for 5 minutes after a big roll to count rather than just picking up dice, etc etc.
I really dont care if my Marines get smacked! I am consoled that I know the Marines are one of the neatest factions out there and I will try do better next time. Also I hate gloaters and people who wont take your word for it on the rules. Oh and did I mention the guys who have pirated codexes on their laptops, AHHHHHHHH! As was said before... Take you defeat well and dont gloat if you win!
Zygrot24 wrote:A big pet peeve for me is inefficient dice habits. Putting them back in the box, staring at the dice for 5 minutes after a big roll to count rather than just picking up dice, etc etc.
For the life of me, I still can't understand why people pack up dice before the game is over. You need to have them out for just about every aspect of your turn, you need to have them out for a couple aspects of your opponent's turn, and you may be called on to roll for game length by the end. Why put them away, just so you can dig them out again?
The only reason I could see putting dice away is if you have a lot of them, and don't need them all out or they're taking up space. I myself have two 36 blocks of dice, a set of 26 custom dice, and a pill bottle full of extra d6s that I found laying around the house. Until the day I start playing Orks, I would never need to have all 100-some dice I have on the table.
Just a peeve that I saw a few weeks ago that bugs me is people who make fun of you/tease you for not having a beautifully painted army. My own Wolves are base coated, with the tanks being pretty much done (I actually did paint up the details on the things, just because it takes less time). I still get flak for not having gone over it to paint every single detail of the model, when a couple people at the FLGS have. Some people just don't have the time/energy/skill to bother with it. I'm a terrible painter (really unsteady hands) and between working a 30-hour-a-week job and going to school, I don't have much time to sit down and partake in this hobby other than a weekly game.
Biggest thing, complaining that my army is broken b/c you dont know how to counter it (I cannot begin to count how many times ive heard he term gay knights...)
Not knowing the basics of your army.
cliffnoting abilities in your army and altering them to give yourself an advantage (for the last time, just b/c a staff of light is a power weapon in cc does not mean it is ap2 shooting).
Locclo wrote:Just a peeve that I saw a few weeks ago that bugs me is people who make fun of you/tease you for not having a beautifully painted army.
Similarly, I had a guy making fun of me for painting my marines as Ultramar, compelte with Calthon Brown bases. Meanwhile he was playing a grey plastic Grey Knights army with a single coat of yellow(?) on his dreadnaught.
Locclo wrote:Just a peeve that I saw a few weeks ago that bugs me is people who make fun of you/tease you for not having a beautifully painted army.
Similarly, I had a guy making fun of me for painting my marines as Ultramar, compelte with Calthon Brown bases. Meanwhile he was playing a grey plastic Grey Knights army with a single coat of yellow(?) on his dreadnaught.
Ya, my paint job is cliche? Indeed.
I probably would've picked at you too. Complimented your hard work but denigrated your chapter choice. That's just who I am. I mean they read Greek upside down, they're powder blue, oh yeah and they got biggity bitchslapped by the nids. Arent global campaign results that turn into fluf a bitch? Don't sweat it...they killed one of our Captains in a global campaign too.
Locclo wrote:Just a peeve that I saw a few weeks ago that bugs me is people who make fun of you/tease you for not having a beautifully painted army.
Similarly, I had a guy making fun of me for painting my marines as Ultramar, compelte with Calthon Brown bases. Meanwhile he was playing a grey plastic Grey Knights army with a single coat of yellow(?) on his dreadnaught.
Ya, my paint job is cliche? Indeed.
I probably would've picked at you too. Complimented your hard work but denigrated your chapter choice. That's just who I am. I mean they read Greek upside down, they're powder blue, oh yeah and they got biggity bitchslapped by the nids. Arent global campaign results that turn into fluf a bitch? Don't sweat it...they killed one of our Captains in a global campaign too.
I get comments about playing ultra time to time. I honestly could care less. I enjoy painting them but after almost finishing my army I regret not making them Raven Guard. Oh well.
Locclo wrote:Just a peeve that I saw a few weeks ago that bugs me is people who make fun of you/tease you for not having a beautifully painted army.
Similarly, I had a guy making fun of me for painting my marines as Ultramar, compelte with Calthon Brown bases. Meanwhile he was playing a grey plastic Grey Knights army with a single coat of yellow(?) on his dreadnaught.
Ya, my paint job is cliche? Indeed.
he plays the GREY Knights. He just took the extra mile and didn't paint his models.
Yeah the video makes a good point. You must really like messing with ultrasmurfs huh. Either way id give you an A for going the extra distance with that troll.
My biggest gripe is when you show up to play a friendly game and you end up playing against the whole damn game store.
When Im sitting on my side of the table thinking of my next move or watching my opponent while he moves his models and one or more people start suggesting tactics or giving advice to my opponent. This drives me nuts.
My little brother and I built an IG army together, he played the Catachans because of his love for foot sloggers and I played the Tanks because I enjoy the armored aspect of the game. We recieved so much flak for this from just about everyone we played because they didnt like that we stratagized together. Eventually we stopped doing it all together.
Yet every time I go down to the FLGS I end up playing against everyone down there.
Anyone else deal with this?
When Im sitting on my side of the table thinking of my next move or watching my opponent while he moves his models and one or more people start suggesting tactics or giving advice to my opponent. This drives me nuts.
/Whiny Teenager mode ON
This. A hundred times this. It's really annoying to hear the 10 "Masters of Strategy, Tactics and Grand Masters of the Ancient Art of War" each and every one telling my friend or me how we should play the game and why I'm dumb for not making yet another Purifier spam list. Oh, and winning a game with my friend, and hearing that I can't really play, that he didn't do anything wrong, it's just that I got really, really lucky. I think that's it.
Oh, wait! There's a guy at my LFGS that, when we were playing, kept telling me I can't write lists and I really need to ask some of the really good players to write me one. Who cares I put some effort into writing it myself and only asked here to make sure the end result is good. He kept droning on about it throughout the whole game. And I lost, because the first thing he did after buyiing the BA Codex was make a badly written post asking for a list on the forum of our club, and got a quite optimized list. I don't remember it because it was a few months ago, but this thread reminded me of why I don' really want to play now. All this and currently not being able to afford anything for my army.
/Whiny Teenager mode OFF
Yeah the video makes a good point. You must really like messing with ultrasmurfs huh. Either way id give you an A for going the extra distance with that troll.
/bow
That was nothing on a firearms forum I belong to I summarized the development of the 5.7FN as a round designed to ward off the French without posing a real threat to any other European nations. Silly Belgians always so focused on defending thier waffles.
Zygrot24 wrote:A big pet peeve for me is inefficient dice habits. Putting them back in the box, staring at the dice for 5 minutes after a big roll to count rather than just picking up dice, etc etc.
On the other hand, I hate dice being left on the table. I clear them as a matter of course and either shuffle them off to one side or drop them back into the box. That said I own some 200ish dice in a big tupperware box thing which is left open so it's not hard to get them out again.
Yeah the video makes a good point. You must really like messing with ultrasmurfs huh. Either way id give you an A for going the extra distance with that troll.
/bow
That was nothing on a firearms forum I belong to I summarized the development of the 5.7FN as a round designed to ward off the French without posing a real threat to any other European nations. Silly Belgians always so focused on defending thier waffles.
I saw Belgian and then then thought waffle. So you might be onto something.
daedalus wrote:This thread's always a good one. I dislike codex whiners. You know: "Oh noes, the new Codex X is out. X is so outrageous. It will destroy the solid and well thought out balance that 40k has had since PHIL KELLY (it's always Phil Kelly) singlehandedly instilled in the game by writing Codex WhateverImPlaying." With a repeat of the exact same complaints 4 months from then when the next codex is released, unless its one they play, in which case it's the most underpowered crippled thing in existence.
Tyranids get a pass. While I've won games with Nids, and I see potential for good builds, they still got a kick in the crotch with this one.
Let me explain further. I've been given unending amounts of gak about my GK army, since the moment their codex dropped. It got worse when I won my first two games with them out of the gate just doing what DH (shoot, back up, repeat, charge!) did, only better. I built a list combining all the "new" stuff in the codex, Interceptors, Paladins, a Dreadknight, and Mordrak with a Librarian. Looking back on it, it was pretty haphazard, but I more so wanted to see how each unit performed in a vacuum before beginning to play them off each other. He was playing an AP2 spam Space Wolf list with another friend of mine as a teammate. Needless to say, he moped up my army really well, but he had the gall to bitch and moan about it the entire time. "Mordrak doesn't scatter when he deep strikes, and he can bring terminators with him? Thats outrageous." Kills most of them with plasma, and manages to take the rest of out bolter fire. "Shunting how far?!?!" Wipes them off the table with Long Fangs. This continues through most of the game. His teammate was largely silent through this, detecting the irritation that I was feeling at the time.
At the end of it, I hardly put a dent in his army, and he massacred me. Tailoring or no, and lack of optimization or not on my part, I calmly asked him where the cheese was in the army, and pointed to each unit, now removed from the table, and asked him if that was the overpowered unit that singlehandedly wiped out his army, or perhaps if it was another one. He got very quiet for the rest of the night, but he's stopped his moaning. We seldom play 40k with him anymore, though the last time we did play a few weeks ago it was quite civil.
To be honest, this is my biggest beef with gamers. Full stop. I don't think any army is particulary unfair. It's more down to blind luck, the skill of the player and their list. People can bithc and moan but to be honest no army is unbeatable. Even the flavour of the month isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Zygrot24 wrote: There was a kid there, IG player, whose Leman Russes were made out of CARDBOARD.
As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.
The game is all about crafting first and playing second. We craft to play. IG is a tough army to start up and very expensive (Compared to, say SM or Deathwing, at least). Now, granted, if someone comes in with 3 unpainted, unmodified shoe boxes and calls them Landraiders, I can understand a little unhappiness; after all, you worked hard and painted your army and bought your models and are trying to present a statement of your craft and it says something about his attitude to your hard work if he shows no interest in the hobby. If he tried, even if it was a horrid attempt, to ease the cost, and you nit-pick because his attempt... well you might as well insult anyone who has sculpted anything out of GS. They could have begged and been denied by GW to make there specific piece like everyone else, but put matters into their own hands.
I understand that it feels unfair for someone to make their own tanks, but if I had a dollar every time someone looked at my Dreadnaught and picked it up to examine it, only to realize it wasn't made of plastic, and then criticize me for not buying one like everyone else.... I would... well... I would have enough money to buy a Dreadnaught.
Tagboard Wizard wrote:
As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.
The game is all about crafting first and playing second. We craft to play. IG is a tough army to start up and very expensive (Compared to, say SM or Deathwing, at least). Now, granted, if someone comes in with 3 unpainted, unmodified shoe boxes and calls them Landraiders, I can understand a little unhappiness; after all, you worked hard and painted your army and bought your models and are trying to present a statement of your craft and it says something about his attitude to your hard work if he shows no interest in the hobby. If he tried, even if it was a horrid attempt, to ease the cost, and you nit-pick because his attempt... well you might as well insult anyone who has sculpted anything out of GS. They could have begged and been denied by GW to make there specific piece like everyone else, but put matters into their own hands.
I understand that it feels unfair for someone to make their own tanks, but if I had a dollar every time someone looked at my Dreadnaught and picked it up to examine it, only to realize it wasn't made of plastic, and then criticize me for not buying one like everyone else.... I would... well... I would have enough money to buy a Dreadnaught.
So I'm a little sensitive to the topic...
i dont think anyone has a thing against scratchbuilt models or conversions here, but its all about feel... that does not only apply to models but also shoebox terrain that some people insist on placing no matter if it fits in with the rest or not, and things like books and action figures being used as decoration. theres a limit to bad taste, but its a blurry line.
played a guy once who said his basecoated nagash model, was a dreadnought with a lass cannon and then changed his mind mid-game and claimed it had way more upgrades....
Zygrot24 wrote: There was a kid there, IG player, whose Leman Russes were made out of CARDBOARD.
As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.
The game is all about crafting first and playing second. We craft to play. IG is a tough army to start up and very expensive (Compared to, say SM or Deathwing, at least). Now, granted, if someone comes in with 3 unpainted, unmodified shoe boxes and calls them Landraiders, I can understand a little unhappiness; after all, you worked hard and painted your army and bought your models and are trying to present a statement of your craft and it says something about his attitude to your hard work if he shows no interest in the hobby. If he tried, even if it was a horrid attempt, to ease the cost, and you nit-pick because his attempt... well you might as well insult anyone who has sculpted anything out of GS. They could have begged and been denied by GW to make there specific piece like everyone else, but put matters into their own hands.
I understand that it feels unfair for someone to make their own tanks, but if I had a dollar every time someone looked at my Dreadnaught and picked it up to examine it, only to realize it wasn't made of plastic, and then criticize me for not buying one like everyone else.... I would... well... I would have enough money to buy a Dreadnaught.
So I'm a little sensitive to the topic...
LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
I dont care if your army is painted or not and I am very open to other company models with some GW bits slapped on them but paper tanks no just no.
LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
I dont care if your army is painted or not and I am very open to other company models with some GW bits slapped on them but paper tanks no just no.
Who said anything about 'slapping bit' on tagboard? I find glue works much better. Besides, aside from assault cannons, I build my own weapons. otherwise they're the wrong size. It's not hard, just tedious.
LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.
There are two players at my FLGS that use a stupid dice roller app for their scatter dice and their actual rolls. I refuse to play with them unless they use real dice. Naturally, they get all butthurt, and only play with each other.
Given how there are numerous articles in WD and on the GW site explaining how to scratch build models out of anything from cardboard to deodorant bottles, I would allow it. Mind you, it has to be an attempt to actually represent the model, not just a shoe box called a land raider.
Another peeve of mine is when your opponent apologizes constantly because his list keeps kicking you. "Sorry, it's not my fault, that is how the list is built." You have ultimate control over the list. If you are truly sorry, stop playing with it and run a different list. Otherwise, stop apologizing.
-cgmckenzie
PS-I am chuffed as nuts to see that I made it into your signature line, Tagboard!
I hate itwhen I'm having a conversation with someone (games / modelling related) and someone else butts in with their opinion and bustles me out of the discussion. I have no problem with other peoples opinions, of course I don't, but come one kiddies, manners cost nothing.
For instance, I was down at my flgs and there was a new kid starting out. I asked if I could watch his intro game (kept quiet, just took an interest) and we started talking after the game. He was interested in Tau, liked the aesthetic of the models, suited his play style etc. He was asking what I thought he should start out with, I put my ten pence forward and the same guy that always butts in does exactly the same and muscles me out of the conversation.
Iirc this guy was an orc player, tried to convince new kid to play orcs, new kid then left without buying anything. That's not my problem - I dont work for GW so their sales figs dont affect me, thopugh I did feel a bit of a loss in that the hobby was then down one very keen an interrested noob, all because some dude tried to force his opinion across that had no bearing on new kids wants / needs.
I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
cgmckenzie wrote:Given how there are numerous articles in WD and on the GW site explaining how to scratch build models out of anything from cardboard to deodorant bottles, I would allow it. Mind you, it has to be an attempt to actually represent the model, not just a shoe box called a land raider.
My thoughts exactly. it's not as easy as putting together a plastic tank, but it's a hell of a lot cheaper. This is a fair trade off in my opinion. If you find yourself justifying the model to yourself without even going into the store, it's a safe bet you may want to start from scratch. that's the beauty of tag board, it's infinitely cheaper then any material out there, it's free and comes with stuff.
cgmckenzie wrote: PS-I am chuffed as nuts to see that I made it into your signature line, Tagboard!
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
That sucks man. Don't let the bastards get ya down in my opinion - at the end of the day you know that you know your game, to the point that you've completely changed peoples minds about you - that's an achievement in itself. Don't let anyone knock your confidence pal, and if you're ever in the Wakefield area let me know, I'll (attempt to) wipe the floor with your poxie BA's
HONAW wrote:I really dont care if my Marines get smacked! I am consoled that I know the Marines are one of the neatest factions out there and I will try do better next time. Also I hate gloaters and people who wont take your word for it on the rules. Oh and did I mention the guys who have pirated codexes on their laptops, AHHHHHHHH! As was said before... Take you defeat well and dont gloat if you win!
Mike
Pirated codexes are bad but..... it is nice to be able to get the $90 imperial armour for when you need some inspiration
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
I'm a person with little tolerance for children. That being said Wargaming is a community that transcends age, I mean most of us are full grown men who play with plastic toys. I treat all players equally until they give me cause to think otherwise. A kid with a well painted army, who knows his gak will get more respect from me than an adult with a plastic horde who bluntly cheats and talks smack. There's a whole lot of ground in between there. Polite gamers with grey armies and kids with well painted armies who throw fits, adults with well painted armies that cheat. You get my point. Gamers are like a complex equation where the sum is a positive or negative gamer but the variables are endless.
Just keep playing. And when you get tired of winning get a second army.
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
That sucks man. Don't let the bastards get ya down in my opinion - at the end of the day you know that you know your game, to the point that you've completely changed peoples minds about you - that's an achievement in itself. Don't let anyone knock your confidence pal, and if you're ever in the Wakefield area let me know, I'll (attempt to) wipe the floor with your poxie BA's
Thanks, I try not to but it just winds me up, I would love to play against you but I'm from Liverpool so I doubt that I'll ever go to Wakefield but If I do, blood will be shed!
AustonT wrote:
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
I'm a person with little tolerance for children. That being said Wargaming is a community that transcends age, I mean most of us are full grown men who play with plastic toys. I treat all players equally until they give me cause to think otherwise. A kid with a well painted army, who knows his gak will get more respect from me than an adult with a plastic horde who bluntly cheats and talks smack. There's a whole lot of ground in between there. Polite gamers with grey armies and kids with well painted armies who throw fits, adults with well painted armies that cheat. You get my point. Gamers are like a complex equation where the sum is a positive or negative gamer but the variables are endless.
Just keep playing. And when you get tired of winning get a second army.
Yeah I understand, It's hard not to judge someone based on age. I too have seen Men throw tantrums just because I have won, saying things like 'He is just a kid', so it really hits home. But yeah when I get tired of winning I'll start a new army!
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
That sucks man. Don't let the bastards get ya down in my opinion - at the end of the day you know that you know your game, to the point that you've completely changed peoples minds about you - that's an achievement in itself. Don't let anyone knock your confidence pal, and if you're ever in the Wakefield area let me know, I'll (attempt to) wipe the floor with your poxie BA's
Thanks, I try not to but it just winds me up, I would love to play against you but I'm from Liverpool so I doubt that I'll ever go to Wakefield but If I do, blood will be shed!
AustonT wrote:
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
I'm a person with little tolerance for children. That being said Wargaming is a community that transcends age, I mean most of us are full grown men who play with plastic toys. I treat all players equally until they give me cause to think otherwise. A kid with a well painted army, who knows his gak will get more respect from me than an adult with a plastic horde who bluntly cheats and talks smack. There's a whole lot of ground in between there. Polite gamers with grey armies and kids with well painted armies who throw fits, adults with well painted armies that cheat. You get my point. Gamers are like a complex equation where the sum is a positive or negative gamer but the variables are endless.
Just keep playing. And when you get tired of winning get a second army.
Yeah I understand, It's hard not to judge someone based on age. I too have seen Men throw tantrums just because I have won, saying things like 'He is just a kid', so it really hits home. But yeah when I get tired of winning I'll start a new army!
wow text wall!
but I know how you feel
alas I am 13
Jubear wrote:LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
Let's not get carried away here. 'Pollute your table'...? I've seen quite a few cardboard tanks over the years that looked practically indistinguishable from the 'real' thing.
We're playing with toy soldiers here. If someone's tank isn't quite as detailed as the next guy's, is that really the end of the world?
I HAD a friend who would always cheat and when I called him on it he would say well I don't play by tournement rules. I say whats the point in playing if you dont follow the rules.
I have no problem or issues with age, but mainly age with attitude and parents.
A LOT of them complain to their parents when they don't roll well, and then the parents ask me why I'm being so hard on the kid, and that it's just a game. This is during his first turn, when he won the roll to go first.
I still have yet to figure out the reasoning behind their parents acting like that...
I hate it when people tell me what to put in my army. One time when I was playing Fantasy, some neckbeard came up and told me I needed to include a Sorcerer in my Khorne WoC army. When I told him I was playing a fluffy Khorne list, he ignored me and continued saying I needed a Sorcerer. I was very irritated.
Nocturn wrote:I still have yet to figure out the reasoning behind their parents acting like that...
Because we sadly live in an age where soft parenting is seen as the best way to raise children - the kids win everything at home as their parents are too soft to show kids that losing is not a bad thing, and then the kids can't deal with the real world on the occasions that they're taken out of their bubble wrap and steered around town by folks that are too afraid for their kids to carve their own lives.
Before I get shouted down too much, I realise this isn't true for everyone, but I completely and utterly believe that it is the dominant parenting method used on / with the latest generation of parents. Little Jimmy must have his own way, as life is fair, care bears exist, and there is no such thing as negativity in the world, anywhere.
LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.
My area does not have a FLGS so I have 3 boards in my rec room that serves as the local hangout for wargameing so yeah it is MY table.
And thanks for assuming that I would be rude or nasty to play against just because I dont like paper models for wargaming.
Tagboard Wizard wrote:As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.
Fine paper/card craft is one thing. unpainted corrugated cardboard in vague leman russ shape is another. Coupled with paper cutout men and ugly jelly guys, and it's just an army of lazy fail.
Keep my comments about cardboard tanks in context: Partly douche guy with misshapen badly cast silicon vets, paper cutouts on bottle caps CCS, and bad cardboard tanks.
LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.
My area does not have a FLGS so I have 3 boards in my rec room that serves as the local hangout for wargameing so yeah it is MY table.
And thanks for assuming that I would be rude or nasty to play against just because I dont like paper models for wargaming.
I think it was the swarthy attitude more than your stance on cardboard tanks. If you had stated it more like this..."I don't appreciate it when players come to my personal tables and attempt to play the game with poorly crafted cardboard replicas. I spend hard earned money on my own models, and expect anyone wanting to play with me to do the same."...then he probably wouldn't have gotten on to you about rudeness.
We can only form an opinion about you in conversations like these based on your thoughts expressed via text. So if your text seems rude and salty, we can only come to the conclusion that you are rude and salty. Just some food for thought.
On another point, I think that's right sporting of you to offer your own tables and rec room as the local 40k hangout.
And on yet another point, I personally despise paying thirty three dollars for rhinos which are plastic boxes with slight sloping, and would therefore have no problems with people making their plastic boxes out of cardboard.
Back on topic, the people I hate to play against most, of the few I have played with, are extreme rule lawyers and people with a convenient lack of knowledge of their codex at pivotal times. When I have my codex and the latest FAQ for my certain army I find it rather amazing that people will still argue with me for near on to half an hour about the fact that a Deffrolla does indeed do D6 Strength 10 hits to vehicles as well as infantry, the fact that dakka guns on biker boyz are twin linked, and the fact that KFF's give obscured status (4+) cover to vehicles. They eventually accept it but it makes games take at least three times as long.
And people who don't know their own codex...Ill just list an example. Whilst playing against IG with my orks it just so happened that during the make or break shooting phase he recalled his heavy flamer to be strength 6 rather than five, I was new and trusted this guy that he knew what he was doing, he rolled way below average but with his extra strength he wiped out a boyz squad. After he'd mopped up the game, I took a look at his codex and looked up the entry on the heavy flamer. It was rather disappointing to me, simply because of the fact that I believe his "memory lapse" was intentional.
Lucky I wasn't too traumatized and managed to wipe him off the board fair and square the next time we met.
TLR - Rule Lawyers with no legs to stand on and Cheaters
One of my pet peeves is people having fun with the game and not being serious about it. It applies to any game, and I've got to make it less irritating in my mind.
Honestly, I'll be sitting there, gaming with my regular opponent, and she'll make a funny comment about something in the game. And it just ruins my mood. My friend who plays World of Warcraft with me does the same thing, like when a boss picks him up and carries him around, he'll say something like, "Aaah! Let me down!" in party chat. And it just pisses me off. It's because it feels like my opponent isn't taking the game seriously, and isn't putting their full effort into achieving victory.
It's a stupid, stupid, STUPID pet peeve to have! It's stupid because these things are games. They're supposed to be fun!
I take my fun too seriously... But my foxxykins forgives all. :: cuddles my plush toy of my foxxykins ::
LMAO cardboard tanks you gotta be fething kidding me. Yes I understand IG and other armies are expensive to start so maybe younger players should avoid them rather then pollute my table with some god awful cardboard tank.
Wow, what a crappy attitude. I'm not particularly fond of proxxies across the board but to go as far to say pollute YOUR table? If you're at a flgs and I have decide between crappy proxxies and crappy attitude, I'd happily take the shoebox tanks and have you evicted from the table.
My area does not have a FLGS so I have 3 boards in my rec room that serves as the local hangout for wargameing so yeah it is MY table.
And thanks for assuming that I would be rude or nasty to play against just because I dont like paper models for wargaming.
I think it was the swarthy attitude more than your stance on cardboard tanks. If you had stated it more like this..."I don't appreciate it when players come to my personal tables and attempt to play the game with poorly crafted cardboard replicas. I spend hard earned money on my own models, and expect anyone wanting to play with me to do the same."...then he probably wouldn't have gotten on to you about rudeness.
We can only form an opinion about you in conversations like these based on your thoughts expressed via text. So if your text seems rude and salty, we can only come to the conclusion that you are rude and salty. Just some food for thought.
On another point, I think that's right sporting of you to offer your own tables and rec room as the local 40k hangout.
And on yet another point, I personally despise paying thirty three dollars for rhinos which are plastic boxes with slight sloping, and would therefore have no problems with people making their plastic boxes out of cardboard.
gpfunk has it right. When I read what you wrote, I just imagined you as a guy at my flgs who would set up at a table, and refuse to play anyone that has their entire army to high standards. Don't ever everything just right? Yell you won't play them and you refused to leave your spot. In your own home this is perfectly acceptable, and I must say you've got more guts than I do to let people into your place to game it up. I've met some rather questionable individuals during my tabletop endeavors and I would never want them to know where I live . In retrospect I apologize for my response. At the time all I had to use was my phone to post, and my response was a lot less explanatory then I would have liked it to be.
So yes, back on topic. I don't think this was discussed before, and I don't think it's that common, but I REALLY don't like people who come into the game area with exposed wounds. There was this one time back at one of the last tournaments I went to. I was having a fascinating conversaition with a guy about hwo he ran his tau aggresively. So while he was going on, I cought this wierd smell on the winds. I couldn't quite place it though. It wasn't a good smell, but it wasn't overwhelmingly bad. Sometime shortly after this a guy approaches me and starts talking about...something, I forgot. Smell got stronger at this point. So anyways as the day goes on and the tournament starts up, I happen to spot what it was giving off the smell. The guy I talked to second had this massive gaping wound on his leg, and it looked bad, real bad. Looking back, I believe it was an ulcer. The guy was by no means small, and I think it has something to do with poor blood circulation. However, at the time I could only guess what kind of disease was ravaging him. Staph? T-Virus? Nurgle's Rot? Whatever it was I tried everything in my power to stay away from him. I think he snuck up behind me one time to make a comment about the game, and I could feel him bump into my clothes. I nearly screamed.
So...yeah, I'm not sure what you do to treat ulcers, but I'm pretty sure you don't leave a big gaping wound without medical dressings.
To make matters worse he turned out to be a downer. Dropped a few leman russ templates on him and he just sort of passively quite half way through the match.
Alex - dont let people get you down about age. Some of the best players we have at our flgs were young guys, hell i even got our age range lowered for one guy as he was wasting away in GW shop land, needing more varied and skilled opponents - it meant i was considered "responsible adult" which is laughable, but it worked well
Main requirement in an opponent is someone who has fun with it, and you can chat to. Age doesnt really matter there.
One of my biggest peeves right now, is people that roll dice for something and scoop them up so quick, you have no idea what they actually rolled. Have to watch the rolls like a hawk.
Necroshea wrote:The guy I talked to second had this massive gaping wound on his leg, and it looked bad, real bad. Looking back, I believe it was an ulcer. The guy was by no means small, and I think it has something to do with poor blood circulation. However, at the time I could only guess what kind of disease was ravaging him. Staph? T-Virus? Nurgle's Rot? Whatever it was I tried everything in my power to stay away from him. I think he snuck up behind me one time to make a comment about the game, and I could feel him bump into my clothes. I nearly screamed.
Reminds me of this rp/wargame con i was at back in the day... this guy had incredibly bad foot odor and decided to use one of the gaming rooms to shave off some of the excess dead skin of his feet. the room had to be closed of and aired out for over a day before the smell subsided. more over, the bastard was actually proud of this.
Necroshea wrote:The guy I talked to second had this massive gaping wound on his leg, and it looked bad, real bad. Looking back, I believe it was an ulcer. The guy was by no means small, and I think it has something to do with poor blood circulation. However, at the time I could only guess what kind of disease was ravaging him. Staph? T-Virus? Nurgle's Rot? Whatever it was I tried everything in my power to stay away from him. I think he snuck up behind me one time to make a comment about the game, and I could feel him bump into my clothes. I nearly screamed.
Reminds me of this rp/wargame con i was at back in the day... this guy had incredibly bad foot odor and decided to use one of the gaming rooms to shave off some of the excess dead skin of his feet. the room had to be closed of and aired out for over a day before the smell subsided. more over, the bastard was actually proud of this.
Oh my god (to both posts). That's one thing that really, really &*^%$ me off. Human stink. I've not gamed in a store in years, but occasionally visit one to buy paints and stuff and and more often than not there's usually a godawful stink that makes you want to vomit. You can usually spot the source - an unkempt know-it-all neckbeard. Good grief, at least take a shower and wear some clean clothes. And people wonder why the hobby in general gets such a stigma. I know we play wargames, but the boards should be medieval not the smell.
Coolyo294 wrote:I hate it when people tell me what to put in my army. One time when I was playing Fantasy, some neckbeard came up and told me I needed to include a Sorcerer in my Khorne WoC army. When I told him I was playing a fluffy Khorne list, he ignored me and continued saying I needed a Sorcerer. I was very irritated.
Oh god, this.
My old Nurgle WoC list, I kept getting pestered to give the marauders MoK "because it's just better".
Tagboard Wizard wrote:As a Tagboard Wizard, I personally take a little offense to this.
Fine paper/card craft is one thing. unpainted corrugated cardboard in vague leman russ shape is another. Coupled with paper cutout men and ugly jelly guys, and it's just an army of lazy fail.
Keep my comments about cardboard tanks in context: Partly douche guy with misshapen badly cast silicon vets, paper cutouts on bottle caps CCS, and bad cardboard tanks.
I did, I mention that very stance in my post. I said nothing towards paper cut out on bottle caps or casting (although, the casting I think you should really give him a break for, it's not that easy either).
HOWEVER! You pointed out that his tanks were made of CARDBOARD like it's an obvious implication of FAIL. And as a Tagboard Wizard, I take offense to that.
I have seen some really nice tanks that people have made from pepekura or whatever it is(folded paper like origami but with less swans). It actually looked to be along the lines of the old warhammer and 40k terrain.
Just the other week, I was pulling out my Sa'cea tau and the guy I was playing picked them up and stared at them for twenty minutes (yes, twenty minutes). For those of you who don't know, the Sa'cea colour scheme is a mixture of space wolves grey and shadow grey. Anyways, after staring at these things for so long that everyone in the store was annoyed at him, he informed me that the paint ratio was slightly different in the two, and TOLD ME I COULDN'T USE MY FIRE WARRIORS BECAUSE OF THE UNNOTICEABLE PAINT DIFFERENCE and that because fire warriors are 1+ he won by default.
Then an employee asked why we hadn't started playing yet, and after explaining it, my opponent got kick out of the store for the day.
im2randomghgh wrote:Then an employee asked why we hadn't started playing yet, and after explaining it, my opponent got kick out of the store for the day.
I REALLY hope you're not lying because that's hilarious.
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
It might help if you used xenos, because using marines will just make people automatically assume you're one of the little kids who buys marines because they don't understand the others and can just push them across the board.
Using xenos gives them a moments pause, as they require more in-depth strategy to compensate for 4th ed codices.
I started when I was 15 and had the same problem because I used the Imperial Fists space marines, but when I switched to Tau due to preferring their style of play,. people are less condescending, as they get cocky because they think your army is weaker by default and then are pleasantly surprised when they see that you're capable of something other than just moving your models forward and hitting stuff with hammers.
Also, it helps when you put 2 mantas on the table, since they're stunned that anyone could ever own such a huge, expensive model, let alone two
Of course, if BA are all you're interested in, there's nothing wrong with that.
Another thing you can do is use a 4chan SM chapter, like angry marines (would be good since they are assault-y like BA) or reasonable marines (painted to camouflage with the table you'd be surprised how often your opponent doesn't notice them), that way they're angry at the army and not you!
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
It might help if you used xenos, because using marines will just make people automatically assume you're one of the little kids who buys marines because they don't understand the others and can just push them across the board.
Using xenos gives them a moments pause, as they require more in-depth strategy to compensate for 4th ed codices.
I started when I was 15 and had the same problem because I used the Imperial Fists space marines, but when I switched to Tau due to preferring their style of play,. people are less condescending, as they get cocky because they think your army is weaker by default and then are pleasantly surprised when they see that you're capable of something other than just moving your models forward and hitting stuff with hammers.
Also, it helps when you put 2 mantas on the table, since they're stunned that anyone could ever own such a huge, expensive model, let alone two
Of course, if BA are all you're interested in, there's nothing wrong with that.
Another thing you can do is use a 4chan SM chapter, like angry marines (would be good since they are assault-y like BA) or reasonable marines (painted to camouflage with the table you'd be surprised how often your opponent doesn't notice them), that way they're angry at the army and not you!
I hate it when people assume since you play marines and not zenos all you can do is push them across the board and hammer things. Marines do take just as much stratagy as any other army to be competitve.
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
It might help if you used xenos, because using marines will just make people automatically assume you're one of the little kids who buys marines because they don't understand the others and can just push them across the board.
Using xenos gives them a moments pause, as they require more in-depth strategy to compensate for 4th ed codices.
I started when I was 15 and had the same problem because I used the Imperial Fists space marines, but when I switched to Tau due to preferring their style of play,. people are less condescending, as they get cocky because they think your army is weaker by default and then are pleasantly surprised when they see that you're capable of something other than just moving your models forward and hitting stuff with hammers.
Also, it helps when you put 2 mantas on the table, since they're stunned that anyone could ever own such a huge, expensive model, let alone two
Of course, if BA are all you're interested in, there's nothing wrong with that.
Another thing you can do is use a 4chan SM chapter, like angry marines (would be good since they are assault-y like BA) or reasonable marines (painted to camouflage with the table you'd be surprised how often your opponent doesn't notice them), that way they're angry at the army and not you!
I hate it when people assume since you play marines and not zenos all you can do is push them across the board and hammer things. Marines do take just as much stratagy as any other army to be competitve.
I know they do a good amount, having played them. But xenos legitimately do require more strategy. They don't have units as good as Marines. Example: Stingwing worse than a marine in every way, cost sixteen points each.
Also, Crisis suits are good, but you can only use them in areas where they can JSJ behind cover or they'll die right away, so you have to lure the oppenent to said locations, and plans several turns in ahead.
Plus, even though strategy is important with marines, you CAN win by just moving them forward and shooting until you get to assault.
All xenos armies have a critical flaw that needs to be compensated for, and marines do not.
Tau suck at CC
Eldar are fragile
Orks have trouble hitting stuff with their guns.
Necrons...well everything about them is a flaw really.
Whereas marines have impressive CC, 3+ and BS4.
Either way, I digress. Strategy is always important, just more so with xenos.
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Necroshea wrote:Play space marines? Your a nub
Play something else? Your army sucks
Play army with new codex? You're just playing flavor of the month.
I'd rather invest in fielding sharp words towards an opponent who refuses to just shut up and play the damn game.
"your army sucks" is the best to go with, since you can prove them wrong, whereas the other two will not change whether you win or lose.
im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.
starraptor wrote:im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.
I played six years of IF before retiring the army, I think I know their capabilities.
And of course orks beat them in cc, cc is what orks do. Marines are meant to shoot fighters and fight shooters. They can outshoot any army better than them in CC, and out CC any army that can outshoot them.
I know Eldar aren't bad, they just take skill.
I know Tau shouldn't take sting wings, my point was they're so bad that they're not even worth considering, and cost as much as marines. If they costed as much as kroot they still wouldn't be worth it.
And are you saying your SS/TH termies are bad in CC? because I don't know about you, but mine clear anything in their path.
The point is not to beat everything at everything with them, but they have no flaw, and are good if not great at everything. Balance is power. The Eldar have very task-specific units, whereas a tactical squad can be anti-infantry, anti-teq, or anti tank.
starraptor wrote:im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.
Orks kill marines in shooting? Nice.
I don't think he was advocating vespids, and what he said about tau was right- they suck in CC.
Marines are indeed a mostly shooty army but they are better at CC than most.
A pet peeve of mine is people being wrong while judging others for being right.
starraptor wrote:im2random I'm going to assume you don't know to much about what your talking about (which by the way is anougher pet peeve.) Orks kill marines in both shooting and close combat because of numbers, Eldar aren't that bad depending on the build I will give you that it does require a little more thought. Tau should not be taking stingwings period. And marines are a mid range shooty army not a close range army.
Orks kill marines in shooting? Nice.
I don't think he was advocating vespids, and what he said about tau was right- they suck in CC.
Marines are indeed a mostly shooty army but they are better at CC than most.
A pet peeve of mine is people being wrong while judging others for being right.
I'm just going to apoligise (sorry for my spelling) if I sounded judgemental. The thing is I know Tau suck at close combat that doesn't make marine good at close combat though. And when you have 183 plus models firing at maybe 50 yes Orks out shoot you. And of course TH/SS are Great close combat unit but thats 1 unit in the entire codex. Sorry if I got off topic
Simple math proves out Orks cannot outshooot marines Orks Bs is what 2? I'm so lazy and certain you're wrong I wont even reach above my desk to check. Then they have to wound, then the SM player has armor saves.
Orks on the recieving end of just bolters get hit more than 50% wounded around the same And mostly don't get saves.
I assume we are talking about a Boyz horde here.
Kids that expect you to go easy on them, that's another thing. It's sort of why I don't play against the younger types with Space Marines, I'm going to fething stomp them with mech DE and it's not even going to be worth my time or enjoyable.
And also, people who talk about everything in the competitive vacuum and say you should only play tournament lists. And I hate tournaments. If I wanted to be shot off the table by Razorbacks all day I'd go on an aggressive wildlife safari.
Yah maybe I'm just unlucky. Anyway maybe I got over zealous in some of my statements and for that I apoligize. Anyways I seem to have brought every one off topic so I'll shut up now.
starraptor wrote:I'm just going to apoligise (sorry for my spelling) if I sounded judgemental. The thing is I know Tau suck at close combat that doesn't make marine good at close combat though. And when you have 183 plus models firing at maybe 50 yes Orks out shoot you. And of course TH/SS are Great close combat unit but thats 1 unit in the entire codex. Sorry if I got off topic
NP, we all get off topic now and then
@ the terminator thing tho, they are the only GREAT non-HQ non dread CC unit, but there are a lot of really good ones. Normal termies are still good at CC, Assault marines are good at CC, Sergeants are good at CC, Vanguard vets are good at CC etc.
Back on topic, a pet peeve of mine is when players bring too few dice. Ork player with 3000 pts and five dice=not fun.
People who pretend to not be concentrating when you make a good roll, so you have to roll it again; people who actually aren't concentrating and challenge myself and the other spectators who have just tried to tell him that he needs to take a few saves, or that his dreadnought got blown up, and it ends up that I have to re-roll everything.
And sore winners, the ones who have to go around shouting and whooping about how they killed ABC or how XYZ died. I'm fine with a 'yes!' or an arm pump, but leaping around the store like a 7-year old on a sugar high, pestering everyone and telling them what happened regardless of whether or not they're interested, is just taking the piss.
Amazing, I got unlucky and my slann blew himself up, failing rolls to save him on 2+s, on the second turn of the game. Congratulations, you killed my Chaos Knights. Will you stop acting like you stopped the Storm of Chaos using a halberdier and a gnoblar and get on with the game please?
I normally only play with friends so don't really get any problems.
Although I did have a game at Warhammer World this weekend when a blue shirt decided to try and out "WAGHH" a gamer. They obviously knew each and just stared each other in the face and shout at the top of their voices causing the whole place to silence.
This kinda gak is what gives gamers a stupid name.
If you're on this message board then epic fail to you Sir.
gr1m_dan wrote:I normally only play with friends so don't really get any problems.
Although I did have a game at Warhammer World this weekend when a blue shirt decided to try and out "WAGHH" a gamer. They obviously knew each and just stared each other in the face and shout at the top of their voices causing the whole place to silence.
This kinda gak is what gives gamers a stupid name.
If you're on this message board then epic fail to you Sir.
They probably thought it was really funny... the same kind of guy who laughs at the top of his lungs when remembering some ork fluff he read... sigh
That and blood for the blood god. It's not enough I have to see the damn phrase in the fluff so many times, but I have to hear idiots screaming it in the middle of a crowded mall. Yeah, makes me want to hide my head from onlookers and ask myself why am I even here.
I played a scenario game today and a guy came up and started saying we were playing it wrong, that jobs shouldn't be used like that and proceeded to start picking up models like he owned the place. If people ask to look at my models, I will happily allow it but don't approach the table and start grabbing my stuff. That's a great way to get dread socked.
cgmckenzie wrote:I played a scenario game today and a guy came up and started saying we were playing it wrong, that jobs shouldn't be used like that and proceeded to start picking up models like he owned the place. If people ask to look at my models, I will happily allow it but don't approach the table and start grabbing my stuff. That's a great way to get dread socked.
-cgmckenzie
Ya, touching my stuff with out my permission is not ok with me, and I will say something about it!
Another thing that annoys me are braggarts. I'm happy your mommy bought you a Titan, some of us have bills to pay!
AustonT wrote:Simple math proves out Orks cannot outshooot marines Orks Bs is what 2? I'm so lazy and certain you're wrong I wont even reach above my desk to check. Then they have to wound, then the SM player has armor saves.
Orks on the recieving end of just bolters get hit more than 50% wounded around the same And mostly don't get saves.
I assume we are talking about a Boyz horde here.
Actually its the other way around - point for point boyz outshoot marines, mainly because they are essentially 18" stormbolters, meaning Orks can advance and fire at full effect, or retreat the same, forcing the marines to either move and forgo shooting or stay static and get shredded.
This assumes youre actually playing a game, and therefore have some form of cover - an Ork in 4+ cover is 40% of the cost for only 1/6th less durability
AustonT wrote:Simple math proves out Orks cannot outshooot marines Orks Bs is what 2? I'm so lazy and certain you're wrong I wont even reach above my desk to check. Then they have to wound, then the SM player has armor saves.
Orks on the recieving end of just bolters get hit more than 50% wounded around the same And mostly don't get saves.
I assume we are talking about a Boyz horde here.
Actually its the other way around - point for point boyz outshoot marines, mainly because they are essentially 18" stormbolters, meaning Orks can advance and fire at full effect, or retreat the same, forcing the marines to either move and forgo shooting or stay static and get shredded.
This assumes youre actually playing a game, and therefore have some form of cover - an Ork in 4+ cover is 40% of the cost for only 1/6th less durability
You are asserting two things that do not go hand in hand. Advancing and staying in cover. If a SM player allows Orks to take cover, negating a large part of thier weakness he deserves to lose that firefight. Since it's far more likely that an Ork mob will not be in cover after advancing, Orks on the offense are at a serious disadvantage. If you emplace your boys in a static defense (and I defy you to find room to put 150 boyz in cover) as a sort of Green gunline, I can only assume that any SM player would just go around and attack to boys not in cover.
It's not that you don't have a point, you do. But 40k is a situational game. On an open field with no terrain comparing armies isn't fair either. But assuming that you will ALWAYS have cover, and depending on it doesn't make sense either.
People who make soft accusations of cheating when you are winning. Generally this entails asking to borrow your codex so they can double check everything rule you have been playing, and recalculate your points, because the only reason that they could be loosing this badly is that you are cheating. Funny how the rules and points added up right until he got whipped in that multiple assault involving half his army.
That's not ver fair, well ok it is but...I ask to see unit entries in newer codexes I dont own. I own almost every codex but skipped out on DE and GK. I asked to see a couple entries after a doubles game after that book was released. Not cuz I thought he was cheating (great player, friendly, etc) but because he laid the rape stick to half my army in one turn... I wanted to know what to stay away from.
AustonT wrote:That's not ver fair, well ok it is but...I ask to see unit entries in newer codexes I dont own. I own almost every codex but skipped out on DE and GK. I asked to see a couple entries after a doubles game after that book was released. Not cuz I thought he was cheating (great player, friendly, etc) but because he laid the rape stick to half my army in one turn... I wanted to know what to stay away from.
You see, what I was talking about wasn't asking to see a few unit entries, but when halfway through the game the opponent asks for your codex, takes the copy of your army list you handed him, and a calculator and starts adding with a scowl. Then when he discovers he can't get you DQ'ed for an illegal list, goes over every special rule you've been using looking for loopholes. It dramatically slows down that game and reeks of bad sportsmanship. It's a peeve that's fresh in my mind due to it happening at two different events this summer.
Another peeve, when someone decided to knock your score for comp reasons at a non comp event, "you were a great sport throughout the game, and even made some intentional bad mistakes to actually make a game of this, but I'm still going to mark down your sports score because I think that unit is too powerful at this points level, and there is no comp."
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
For me nothing matters but the results on the tabletop. I've seen some kids with an amazing tactical sense and plenty of adults that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag while wearing terminator armor. Age also doesn't equate to maturity. And as with tactical sense I've seen plenty of kids mature beyond their years and many adults who act like they never left Junior High School.
In our recent FoW league one of the players was a new player and all of 10 or 11 years old. Early on we helped him learn tactics for his army, but even then he was still a fun opponent to have a game with because he was so enthusiastic about the whole concept. He ended up 5th out of about 18 in the league and we told him that with that kind of showing he is on his own next league and isn't getting any help!
Either way you can't base your own confidence and good feelings on other people. Many people just don't deal well in social situations. Many are intimidated by the most insignificant things. Many find that they only way they feel good is making others look bad. Kind of hard to do that when the 14 year old you were dissing is now stomping your army firmly into the ground. Ask adults to play. If you get attitude move on to someone else. Eventually you will find someone who will happily play you and won't prejudge you.
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Necroshea wrote:That and blood for the blood god. It's not enough I have to see the damn phrase in the fluff so many times, but I have to hear idiots screaming it in the middle of a crowded mall. Yeah, makes me want to hide my head from onlookers and ask myself why am I even here.
Why?? They are being idiots, not you. Who cares if total strangers paint you with the same brush. You will probably never see them again in your life anyway, and they are probably at the mall for equally silly, but maybe only slightly more socially acceptable reasons than you...
AlexGrannell wrote:I hate it when people judge me and my army before I even get them out. I am only 14 but have been playing for nearly 7 years, So I know my rules and how to play but yet because I am only a child they assume I will pull out grey vanilla marines. Its a nice surprise to them because I show them my army list and shake their hand, pull out my fully painted DoA Blood Angels. The worst is when someone just ignores you or belittles you because your only a child, I have made many friends with the adults who go to my local shop but there is always one who refuses to play me. It really hurts my confidence and makes me wary to talk to or ask and adult to play, I always try to make a good impression but it never helps.
Don't let people discourage you. Who cares if your 14, you like the game and you play whatever you like. If people treat you like crap ask them when they started playing. Ask them how they felt when they were knew. When I was younger and played DE I ran into that once and the guy got chewed out by other players. Those people you play with sound immature and are probably just scared they might get steam rolled by a 14 year old, which is not something to be embarrased about anyways.
On a friendly game at me FLGS, I asked another player if I could use a custom rule for my IG, which was a special order for squads at 50% strength. This order gives them the furious charge rule, and forces them to assault the nearest possible unit. He was fine with it, and so the game went on normally. He drop pods a squad of tac marines in front of my gunline, and guns down all but 4 of my guardsmen. I pass the leadership check, then roll the special order which I pass. They charge the tac squad, and end up killing 3 of them before being eliminated. The game continues, and I end up winning. He then immediately goes on a rant on how I used a "stupid cheating made up rule!" that made it unfair for him. I even explained it to him before game.
I think my biggest peeve when a new book comes out and a player that has played said army starts complaining about it before he even fields an army with it. Well my X got hosed and "man my Y won't work anymore" or it figures that my favorite unit is worthless now. Sheeze just field them and enjoy yourself. There is usually some ryhme and reason the rules were changed.
moom241 wrote:On a friendly game at me FLGS, I asked another player if I could use a custom rule for my IG, which was a special order for squads at 50% strength. This order gives them the furious charge rule, and forces them to assault the nearest possible unit. He was fine with it, and so the game went on normally. He drop pods a squad of tac marines in front of my gunline, and guns down all but 4 of my guardsmen. I pass the leadership check, then roll the special order which I pass. They charge the tac squad, and end up killing 3 of them before being eliminated. The game continues, and I end up winning. He then immediately goes on a rant on how I used a "stupid cheating made up rule!" that made it unfair for him. I even explained it to him before game.
Especially stupid since he could have said no...
I ran into something similar once, from the other side. A kid I was playing (12 or so, though that is not super important) asked If he could use a special upgrade for his IG sergeant that gives his +1 BS for a small point increase (5pts or something like that) and then he resolved each and every hit from all his models at BS4 for the entirety of the game, only have paid +5pts once. When I asked him why he insisted on breaking the game, he said "You can't prove that my rule was only for the one sergeant, they won't believe you" When I brought over an employee, guess who was believed? Score one for honesty.
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AzureDeath wrote:I think my biggest peeve when a new book comes out and a player that has played said army starts complaining about it before he even fields an army with it. Well my X got hosed and "man my Y won't work anymore" or it figures that my favorite unit is worthless now. Sheeze just field them and enjoy yourself. There is usually some ryhme and reason the rules were changed.
I know right? If the changes are radical enough to make one strategy that was previously viable useless, then adopt another strategy. And have fun, doesn't matter if you win except in tournys.
nosferatu1001 wrote:Auston - what, because cheap grots dont exist? Or a line of 30 boys screening every single shooting unit you have behind them?
I find with 25% cover that you are more likely to be in cover than not.
Try it, run the maths, and note that sheer volume of fire (60 shots basic vs 9) does you in.
I did sit here and math it out. Orks lose the same number without cover to marines, but attrition is a bitch. 300 boys can outshoot 105 TSM with just bolters (1800 points). I stand corrected and withdraw my rather arrogant statement.
#1: Whining about anything. Yes, I see that your tervigon quit making gaunts on turn 1. It sucks that you don't get more "free" models, move on.
#2: Trying something funny with the dice.
a) quickly picking up the "hits" while leaving "misses" on the table.
b) not actually shaking them, just doing a little flip or dropping them straight.
c) Dice do NOT get cover. Please roll them in the open. That said, if I'm not paying attention that's my problem and I deserve whatever happens.
d) *minor* rolling the dice off of the table. Come on, it's a pretty big surface...
#3: Not being prepared to play. No written list, No codex, No game.
#4: Opponent constantly distracted. An example is asking me to reroll something that happened in the open and they had decided to turn away while my turn was going.
#5: An unknown third party offering advice. Please wait until it's over, I really don't care how you'd play it right now. In the post game, sure bring it on.
#6: An unknown party picking up one of my models. I'll be happy to let you look them over, just ask first.
I won a painting contest at my FLGS, and left my beautiful railhead in the display case in the store, because I can always buy another, and I like the idea of people who don't know where to start with their painting being able to get some ideas when I am not around to help (I like to help people with their painting in my FLGS)
Skriker wrote:Why?? They are being idiots, not you. Who cares if total strangers paint you with the same brush. You will probably never see them again in your life anyway, and they are probably at the mall for equally silly, but maybe only slightly more socially acceptable reasons than you...
Skriker
I dunno about anyone else, but I care very much what strangers think of me. I can't stop wondering what other people think of me.
Why, just the other day I was at a store, and I picked up four boxes of Chaos Daemons minis, a gaming hill, and the Battle Missions book. As I was waiting in line, this kid in front of me and I started talking a little about Slaaneshi Daemons. Someone made a comment about how much I was getting - nothing rude, mind you - and the kid's mother said that I probably had a job. I, being a talkative person who tries to be accurate, mentioned that no, I didn't have a job. She then said something about me having parents too. So I, being me, mentioned that I also was on disability. That was the end of the conversation. I didn't think much of it then, just a small conversation while waiting in line.
A little while later, I remembered a conversation with my dad about an online debate he had over people on welfare having some luxuries. The example he remembered was people being outraged that people on welfare could have TV, a computer, even Internet. And I started to wonder if this woman would be talking online about how horrible it is that someone on disability welfare - though come to think of it, I did say disability and not welfare... - can afford Warhammer 40,000 stuff at all, much less in such quantities. And even the thought that she might think less of me is somewhat meaningful to me.
:: shrugs :: I dunno. It's fine that some people - even a lot of people or most people, I don't know even rough numbers - don't care what strangers think of them. But some others, including myself, do care. Neither way is better than the other, but they do both exist.
Hm, this entire post may not have been relevant, but I felt like posting that story anyways.
Skriker wrote:Why?? They are being idiots, not you. Who cares if total strangers paint you with the same brush. You will probably never see them again in your life anyway, and they are probably at the mall for equally silly, but maybe only slightly more socially acceptable reasons than you...
Skriker
I dunno about anyone else, but I care very much what strangers think of me. I can't stop wondering what other people think of me.
Why, just the other day I was at a store, and I picked up four boxes of Chaos Daemons minis, a gaming hill, and the Battle Missions book. As I was waiting in line, this kid in front of me and I started talking a little about Slaaneshi Daemons. Someone made a comment about how much I was getting - nothing rude, mind you - and the kid's mother said that I probably had a job. I, being a talkative person who tries to be accurate, mentioned that no, I didn't have a job. She then said something about me having parents too. So I, being me, mentioned that I also was on disability. That was the end of the conversation. I didn't think much of it then, just a small conversation while waiting in line.
A little while later, I remembered a conversation with my dad about an online debate he had over people on welfare having some luxuries. The example he remembered was people being outraged that people on welfare could have TV, a computer, even Internet. And I started to wonder if this woman would be talking online about how horrible it is that someone on disability welfare - though come to think of it, I did say disability and not welfare... - can afford Warhammer 40,000 stuff at all, much less in such quantities. And even the thought that she might think less of me is somewhat meaningful to me.
:: shrugs :: I dunno. It's fine that some people - even a lot of people or most people, I don't know even rough numbers - don't care what strangers think of them. But some others, including myself, do care. Neither way is better than the other, but they do both exist.
Hm, this entire post may not have been relevant, but I felt like posting that story anyways.
That's just the human condition. If we didn't instinctively care about what others thought, Then society would likely be incapable of functioning.
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That's just the human condition. If we didn't instinctively care about what others thought, Then society would likely be incapable of functioning.
:: tents fingers and tilts head forward slightly :: Excellent...
Skriker wrote:Why?? They are being idiots, not you. Who cares if total strangers paint you with the same brush. You will probably never see them again in your life anyway, and they are probably at the mall for equally silly, but maybe only slightly more socially acceptable reasons than you...
Skriker
I dunno about anyone else, but I care very much what strangers think of me. I can't stop wondering what other people think of me.
Why, just the other day I was at a store, and I picked up four boxes of Chaos Daemons minis, a gaming hill, and the Battle Missions book. As I was waiting in line, this kid in front of me and I started talking a little about Slaaneshi Daemons. Someone made a comment about how much I was getting - nothing rude, mind you - and the kid's mother said that I probably had a job. I, being a talkative person who tries to be accurate, mentioned that no, I didn't have a job. She then said something about me having parents too. So I, being me, mentioned that I also was on disability. That was the end of the conversation. I didn't think much of it then, just a small conversation while waiting in line.
A little while later, I remembered a conversation with my dad about an online debate he had over people on welfare having some luxuries. The example he remembered was people being outraged that people on welfare could have TV, a computer, even Internet. And I started to wonder if this woman would be talking online about how horrible it is that someone on disability welfare - though come to think of it, I did say disability and not welfare... - can afford Warhammer 40,000 stuff at all, much less in such quantities. And even the thought that she might think less of me is somewhat meaningful to me.
:: shrugs :: I dunno. It's fine that some people - even a lot of people or most people, I don't know even rough numbers - don't care what strangers think of them. But some others, including myself, do care. Neither way is better than the other, but they do both exist.
Hm, this entire post may not have been relevant, but I felt like posting that story anyways.
/firmly inserts tongue in cheek.
Plus, you're Canadian how high can other people's (even other Canadians and (shudder) Quebecois) opinions of you really be
Skriker wrote:Why?? They are being idiots, not you. Who cares if total strangers paint you with the same brush. You will probably never see them again in your life anyway, and they are probably at the mall for equally silly, but maybe only slightly more socially acceptable reasons than you...
Skriker
I dunno about anyone else, but I care very much what strangers think of me. I can't stop wondering what other people think of me.
Why, just the other day I was at a store, and I picked up four boxes of Chaos Daemons minis, a gaming hill, and the Battle Missions book. As I was waiting in line, this kid in front of me and I started talking a little about Slaaneshi Daemons. Someone made a comment about how much I was getting - nothing rude, mind you - and the kid's mother said that I probably had a job. I, being a talkative person who tries to be accurate, mentioned that no, I didn't have a job. She then said something about me having parents too. So I, being me, mentioned that I also was on disability. That was the end of the conversation. I didn't think much of it then, just a small conversation while waiting in line.
A little while later, I remembered a conversation with my dad about an online debate he had over people on welfare having some luxuries. The example he remembered was people being outraged that people on welfare could have TV, a computer, even Internet. And I started to wonder if this woman would be talking online about how horrible it is that someone on disability welfare - though come to think of it, I did say disability and not welfare... - can afford Warhammer 40,000 stuff at all, much less in such quantities. And even the thought that she might think less of me is somewhat meaningful to me.
:: shrugs :: I dunno. It's fine that some people - even a lot of people or most people, I don't know even rough numbers - don't care what strangers think of them. But some others, including myself, do care. Neither way is better than the other, but they do both exist.
Hm, this entire post may not have been relevant, but I felt like posting that story anyways.
/firmly inserts tongue in cheek.
Plus, you're Canadian how high can other people's (even other Canadians and (shudder) Quebecois) opinions of you really be
I'm going to pretend that you said that hugs are awesome, and agree with you.
And then I'm going to hug you, like this! :: hugs good and tight :: Mmm, all better. ^_^
What's wrong with a deep seated racial bias against Canadians? (is it really racial?) I mean when you finally give up this whole "separate country" bit and allow your provinces to be mismanaged by US politicians who will we look down on? Oh yes the French; just like everyone else.
Automatically Appended Next Post: To be specific I mean the actual French not FC
moom241 wrote:On a friendly game at me FLGS, I asked another player if I could use a custom rule for my IG, which was a special order for squads at 50% strength. This order gives them the furious charge rule, and forces them to assault the nearest possible unit. He was fine with it, and so the game went on normally. He drop pods a squad of tac marines in front of my gunline, and guns down all but 4 of my guardsmen. I pass the leadership check, then roll the special order which I pass. They charge the tac squad, and end up killing 3 of them before being eliminated. The game continues, and I end up winning. He then immediately goes on a rant on how I used a "stupid cheating made up rule!" that made it unfair for him. I even explained it to him before game.
Especially stupid since he could have said no...
I ran into something similar once, from the other side. A kid I was playing (12 or so, though that is not super important) asked If he could use a special upgrade for his IG sergeant that gives his +1 BS for a small point increase (5pts or something like that) and then he resolved each and every hit from all his models at BS4 for the entirety of the game, only have paid +5pts once. When I asked him why he insisted on breaking the game, he said "You can't prove that my rule was only for the one sergeant, they won't believe you" When I brought over an employee, guess who was believed? Score one for honesty.
The thing is, the rule made no difference in the long run. I might understand if it changed the results of the battle, or even if it killed that tac squad, but all it did was kill a few marines, but no, it's my fault for cheating with a custom rule that was used once. This kid was about my age, but children younger than him have acted better under worse circumstances.
AustonT wrote:What's wrong with a deep seated racial bias against Canadians? (is it really racial?) I mean when you finally give up this whole "separate country" bit and allow your provinces to be mismanaged by US politicians who will we look down on? Oh yes the French; just like everyone else.
Yes, I do agree that hugs are awesome. Here, have a free hug. ^_^ :: huggles you too :: ^_^
Back on topic, my opponent letting the dog into the gaming room just because he's gonna whine if he has to stay outside the room also peeves me. Because the room is about 8 feet by 8 feet or so, and the table goes in the center of it with one narrow end pushed up against a wall, leaving a 2 feet perimeter for chairs, drink tables, floor lamps, and players standing around the table. The dog likes to lay down on the floor to make it hard to move past him and impossible to stand where he's lying down. It sometimes interferes with gaming. And then of course the cat has to come in when she starts to meow, and she just loves the tabletop.
AustonT wrote:What's wrong with a deep seated racial bias against Canadians? (is it really racial?) I mean when you finally give up this whole "separate country" bit and allow your provinces to be mismanaged by US politicians who will we look down on? Oh yes the French; just like everyone else.
Yes, I do agree that hugs are awesome. Here, have a free hug. ^_^ :: huggles you too :: ^_^
Mother F...... yes...Hugs.
Animals and wargaming do not mix. Niether does drinking but that has really never stopped anyone.
Another of my peeves - a fairly common one I gather - is when my opponent isn't paying attention to the game and wanders off frequently. Sometimes I feel like doing her saves from my shooting and combat for her while she's gone. Naturally I wouldn't do stupid things with wound allocation, like taking the meltagun wound on a Chapter Banner bearer while putting a few bolter wounds on the Chapter Champion and Relic Blade-wielding Honor Guard while there are plenty of normal Honor Guard to spare.
AzureDeath wrote:I think my biggest peeve when a new book comes out and a player that has played said army starts complaining about it before he even fields an army with it. Well my X got hosed and "man my Y won't work anymore" or it figures that my favorite unit is worthless now. Sheeze just field them and enjoy yourself. There is usually some ryhme and reason the rules were changed.
I have the counter to that: My favorite unit is ork boyz. They will always be par for the course
I personally don't like new codex spam because of the bizarre new rules. GK are the perfect example of this; I hate playing against GK, not because they are awesome but because they do some fethed up gak. Psychotroke grenades? Crazy space monkey with random weapon spawns? STORMRAVENS!?
Auston - as you say, attrition is definitely a b*tch, it always suprises people about Ork shooting. Or just points out how expensive tac marines are....
I hate when people are so scared of offending others of some rule calling that they are bashful and cautious. It makes the whole game just awkward to play. Also, when people have that reserved look when they take a model off the table like a child who just said no to after asking their parents for a toy.
Pouncey wrote:Hm, this entire post may not have been relevant, but I felt like posting that story anyways.
Nothing wrong with posting your opinion in my book. And yes both positions are valid and acceptable. I just try not to worry too much about how total strangers think about me. Now wondering what people you know think about you is another story, but given the unapologetic way I live my life I don't seem to have too many problems with that either. Hahaha...Being in the 501st legion and people knowing you have *at least* one full screen accurate star wars uniform and posting about it on facebook can be a very liberating experience...Hahahahahahahaha!
I was also on disability at one point. Considering that I paid into the social security system for years before hand I was not getting anything other than my money back in my book. Probably the only SS money I will ever see in my lifetime. Either way disability is your income to spend as you choose. Some people will get their panties in a bunch no matter what you do near them. They are just wound too tight...
Skriker
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cgmckenzie wrote:I have the counter to that: My favorite unit is ork boyz. They will always be par for the course
I hear in the next codex the Waaaaagh is gone and all boyz must be done up in pink tutus to be usable at GW tournies...otherwise still par for the course.
All right, i'll put one of my pet peeves on this thread, and it is the fact that whenever a play a just for fun list against little kids, everyone gives me frack about my two landraiders and that he only has a lascannon... Or that i got into close combat too quickly with him.
on the other hand, the people there got mad about me humming Katamari on the swing whenever I steam roll through 4 squads of deathwing terminators.... Naa na na na na na katamari damacy....
My biggest pet peeve are those players (as a group) who state how they only play for fun and don't care about winning, i.e. the same players who get sullen, pout, and whine about losing to your so-called cheesy, win at all costs list. It doesn't matter if your list is good or bad, if they lose, clearly it is because the person they played just doesn't get it and is too competitive. Nothing else makes sense to them.
My pet peeve - and the reason I no longer play games in local stores - is when some random stranger feels the need to come straight over to you mid-game and say:
"Why do you collect X? X is rubbish. You're using Y wrong and why don't you just collect Z instead? They are much better."
This happened without fail every single time I had a game in-store with my Tau back when they first got launched.
Skriker wrote:Why?? They are being idiots, not you. Who cares if total strangers paint you with the same brush. You will probably never see them again in your life anyway, and they are probably at the mall for equally silly, but maybe only slightly more socially acceptable reasons than you...
Skriker
I dunno about anyone else, but I care very much what strangers think of me. I can't stop wondering what other people think of me.
Why, just the other day I was at a store, and I picked up four boxes of Chaos Daemons minis, a gaming hill, and the Battle Missions book. As I was waiting in line, this kid in front of me and I started talking a little about Slaaneshi Daemons. Someone made a comment about how much I was getting - nothing rude, mind you - and the kid's mother said that I probably had a job. I, being a talkative person who tries to be accurate, mentioned that no, I didn't have a job. She then said something about me having parents too. So I, being me, mentioned that I also was on disability. That was the end of the conversation. I didn't think much of it then, just a small conversation while waiting in line.
A little while later, I remembered a conversation with my dad about an online debate he had over people on welfare having some luxuries. The example he remembered was people being outraged that people on welfare could have TV, a computer, even Internet. And I started to wonder if this woman would be talking online about how horrible it is that someone on disability welfare - though come to think of it, I did say disability and not welfare... - can afford Warhammer 40,000 stuff at all, much less in such quantities. And even the thought that she might think less of me is somewhat meaningful to me.
:: shrugs :: I dunno. It's fine that some people - even a lot of people or most people, I don't know even rough numbers - don't care what strangers think of them. But some others, including myself, do care. Neither way is better than the other, but they do both exist.
Hm, this entire post may not have been relevant, but I felt like posting that story anyways.
/firmly inserts tongue in cheek. Plus, you're Canadian how high can other people's (even other Canadians and (shudder) Quebecois) opinions of you really be
Put the race card back in the deck, and shuffle it, .
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Wyrmalla wrote: A huge irk is when one of my regular opponents feels he has to have a cigarette at least once every game turn, and always when he's needed-ie he tends to not do it so much when its one on one, but its a constant when there's more players.....
This sounds like me...
Me too, though I am...uh...usually smoking something other than cigarettes...:$
Formarion wrote:My pet peeve - and the reason I no longer play games in local stores - is when some random stranger feels the need to come straight over to you mid-game and say:
"Why do you collect X? X is rubbish. You're using Y wrong and why don't you just collect Z instead? They are much better."
This happened without fail every single time I had a game in-store with my Tau back when they first got launched.
When people get like that, it is best to let out your Inner Bundy( Al. Not ted)
The next time someone says your army sucks, tell them "so does your mother but I don't blurt that out to the world."
If they are going to be an ass to you, be an ass back.
i can handle plastic grey models without paint. the worst is playing against "legs with bases" that apparently have a great time shooting and fighting with only their toes....
i can handle plastic grey models without paint. the worst is playing against "legs with bases" that apparently have a great time shooting and fighting with only their toes....
Don't mind this so much as people who show up with a marine army and pull a ton of basic tactical marine minis and start saying "This tactical marine (that looks exactly like all the others) has a melta gun. This one (also looks exactly like all the others) has a lascannon." And so on and so on. I tell them to put their minis away and make them wysiwyg before next time.
Mind you if someone says to me that their heavy bolter marines are actually missile launcher marines before the game I don't mind, because they are already obviously heavy weapon marines in the first place.
AustonT wrote:Put the race card back in the deck, and shuffle it, .
I was unaware your nation of origin had become a race.
Wikipedia wrote:Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry
AustonT wrote:Put the race card back in the deck, and shuffle it, .
I was unaware your nation of origin had become a race.
Wikipedia wrote:Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry
Being Canadian isn't a geographic ancestry unless you happen to be a Native American, as Canadian culture is largely imported from Europe specifically Britain. There is very little deviation between Canadian and American descendants of British ancestry. In the broadest of terms you share religious, governmental, and cultural traits so as to be nearly indistinguishable as a race from other colonials.
Wikipedia wrote:geographic ancestry, which is highly correlated with self-identified race/ethnicity—as opposed to current residence
Automatically Appended Next Post: you also changed my quote I pretty clearly said province
AustonT wrote:Put the race card back in the deck, and shuffle it, .
I was unaware your nation of origin had become a race.
Wikipedia wrote:Race is classification of humans into large and distinct populations or groups by factors such as heritable phenotypic characteristics or geographic ancestry
Being Canadian isn't a geographic ancestry unless you happen to be a Native American, as Canadian culture is largely imported from Europe specifically Britain. There is very little deviation between Canadian and American descendants of British ancestry. In the broadest of terms you share religious, governmental, and cultural traits so as to be nearly indistinguishable as a race from other colonials.
Wikipedia wrote:geographic ancestry, which is highly correlated with self-identified race/ethnicity—as opposed to current residence
Automatically Appended Next Post: you also changed my quote I pretty clearly said province
I am six generations Canadian, that is history.
As for religion, since when does the U.S./Canada have an official religion?
As for culture, the U.S. tends more towards a "melting pot" situation in which immigrants are expected (socially) to conform to cultural norms, whereas Canadians generally retain their culture for several generations. (Toronto is actually the most multicultural city in the world).
Governmental? Canada has a Queen. The Prime Minister and Commander in chief are NOT the same person (unlike the US) and the system used for castings votes is entirely different.
Gentlemen, can we just drop the race conversation all together? I can't speak for everyone else, but I didn't read this thread to hear about racism and all that it encompasses. Just say your pet peeve is racism, then move on.
As for religion, since when does the U.S./Canada have an official religion?
As for culture, the U.S. tends more towards a "melting pot" situation in which immigrants are expected (socially) to conform to cultural norms, whereas Canadians generally retain their culture for several generations. (Toronto is actually the most multicultural city in the world).
Governmental? Canada has a Queen. The Prime Minister and Commander in chief are NOT the same person (unlike the US) and the system used for castings votes is entirely different.
I guess it's a good thing history and race are not synonymous terms.
The US and Canada are both primarily Prostestant, as you so helpfully pointed out the Commander in Chief of your nation is also the head of the Anglican church. Official religion has nothing to do with dominant religious culture, British Dominion in The colonies virtually guaranteed the primacy of evangelical Protestantism.
Yes governmental. I can see how two neighboring nations with constitutional democratically elected bicameral legislatures have NOTHING in common or the fact that they are both based on the same English system and really only diverge in the executive branch; you know, the difference between a constitutional monarchy and a republic.
Your pedantic approach to race, culture, and the geopolitical relationship of your nation and it's cousins to the south makes any attempt to discuss this topic intellectually futile. Furthermore it's firmly off topic.
Necroshea wrote:Gentlemen, can we just drop the race conversation all together? I can't speak for everyone else, but I didn't read this thread to hear about racism and all that it encompasses. Just say your pet peeve is racism, then move on.
Hear hear. Wasn't the original comment meant to be in jest, anyway? Yeesh.
As for religion, since when does the U.S./Canada have an official religion?
As for culture, the U.S. tends more towards a "melting pot" situation in which immigrants are expected (socially) to conform to cultural norms, whereas Canadians generally retain their culture for several generations. (Toronto is actually the most multicultural city in the world).
Governmental? Canada has a Queen. The Prime Minister and Commander in chief are NOT the same person (unlike the US) and the system used for castings votes is entirely different.
I guess it's a good thing history and race are not synonymous terms.
The US and Canada are both primarily Prostestant, as you so helpfully pointed out the Commander in Chief of your nation is also the head of the Anglican church. Official religion has nothing to do with dominant religious culture, British Dominion in The colonies virtually guaranteed the primacy of evangelical Protestantism.
Yes governmental. I can see how two neighboring nations with constitutional democratically elected bicameral legislatures have NOTHING in common or the fact that they are both based on the same English system and really only diverge in the executive branch; you know, the difference between a constitutional monarchy and a republic.
Your pedantic approach to race, culture, and the geopolitical relationship of your nation and it's cousins to the south makes any attempt to discuss this topic intellectually futile. Furthermore it's firmly off topic.
@ Religion, in many (most?) areas of the U.S. is primarily Roman Catholic, while your locality may be primarily protestant, Roman Catholic is generally slightly more common.
@ Government, tl;dr of your statement=they are both democracies, though of very, very different type i.e. proving my point.
the difference between a constitution monarchy/federation/dominion and a republic are quite stark. Also, the commander-in-chief of our nation is a proxy of the head of the anglican church. Not that that changes anything.
The only thing you said that shows any good sense in you was "it's firmly off topic".
I, personally, am done with this debate, as long as you are done with racism.
about hurting my opponent's feelings if they're detracting from a positive game experience.
I tend to pick out successes because there's a lot fewer of them. I know your frustration otherwise though.
yup, longest turns the whole game.
Don't sweat it...they killed one of our Captains in a global campaign too.
