Really, if Solanum zombies began a class-four outbreak and the Panic and the army (Poor army) getting it's aft end handed to it at Yonkers was going on, what would you do? and try to think of it as someone who is thinking 'Ohmigodzombiesarekillingpeopleandmakingmorezombies!' rather than with rational forethought.
post, then we will try to guess what would happen...
ineptus astartes wrote:but that has no bearing on WWZ...
the zombies became the dominant creatures on the planet in wwz.
1. So situation normal in regards to any government office. 2. Maybe dominant where you're at. In Texas, we finally have something to do to take our minds off the heat.
Frazzled (throwing the ball to TBone): "Anything you want to do this weekend dear?"
She Who Must Be Obeyed: "I heard there's a Zombie roundup Saturday. We could to that and then go dancing at Oasis. They have a great 70's cover band playing."
Frazzled (sneaking pizza scraps to TBone and Rodney): "Sounds like a plan. I have to walk the dogs first though. Ask GC if she'd like to come along. "
Troy wrote:What are Solanium zombies and what is a class four outbreak?
solanum is an aggressive vermiform virus that melts the frontal lobe and reshapes it into a fully functional organism. Solanum can only de transmitted through direct fluidic contact, such as bites.
a class four is when zombies become the dominant (un) life-form on the planet-you know what? here.
(From: The Zombie Survival Guide0
Solannm works by traveling through the bloodstream, from the initial
point of entry to the brain. Through means not yet fully understood,
the virus uses the cells of the frontal lobe for replication, destroying
them in the process. During this period, all bodily functions cease. By
stopping the heart, the infected subject is rendered ''dead." The brain,
however, remains alive hut dormant, while the virus mutates its cells
into a completely new organ. The most critical trait of this new organ
is its independence from oxygen. By removing the need for this allimportant
resource, the nndead brain can utilize, but is in no way
dependent upon, the complex support mechanism of the human body.
Once mutation is complete, this new organ reanimates the body into a
form that bears little resemblance (physiologically speaking) to the
original corpse. Some bodily functions remain constant, others operate
in a modified capacity, and the remainder shut down completely.
This new organism is a zombie, a member of the living dead.
Monster Rain wrote:I'd be happy that it had finally happened and this kind of thread will become extinct.
''It's the best next thing from being a necromancer"
First off, i LOVED world war Z, easily one of the best books i've ever read. I have read it front to back 35 times and counting.
As for what i would do and have knoledge of Solanum, read Brooks' survival guide, i'm certian survival would be easy. I would hold out until the battle of yonkers took place and wait for every one to head west, chill out in the East as a LaMOE(well Robinson Crusoe since i would not fire on the military forces if they came back). I'd probably head towards New Rochelle(outside the bronx by about 10 minutes) and build my outpost on the very top of the parking garage with the bus station under it. I grow food as is, but the only problem for me would be my Diabetes, im a Type 1 so i need insulin constantly, i do know that diabetics who had no access to insulin and survived infancy and very rarely made it to adulthood would maintain a balance of exercise to keep themselves healthy.
Troy wrote:What are Solanium zombies and what is a class four outbreak?
Class 4 outbreaks are more outbreakier and zombier than class 3 outbreaks.
...Fantastic observation there Monster...well done indeed..
...Anyway, anyone who's read one of the multiple " zombie" threads that have appeared in this forum already know "my plans"..I won't bother rehashing them here...
EDIT:...Wait, I will add one thing to my list of " things I'll do during a zombie apocalypse"...I'll make sure to laugh at the dead bodies of all the people that believe they have the slightest idea of how to survive in a full blown gak hit the fan situation simply because they happened to read a few books ( even though they're good works of fiction)...
What's with all these people saying "Kill Myself." Wow... way to take the path of least resistance there buddy...
...Especially for someone who plays Wargames for fun!!
I'd shoot zombies till I ran out of bullets. Then I would stab Zombies till I ran out of sharp sticks. Then I would bludgeon Zombies till I ran out of rocks, then I would probably get eaten by zombies, till they ran out of me.
I bet, given my diet, I taste like a bacon wrapped steak. Mmmmm, I hope they enjoy it... I would.
I would run to a remote region in wisconsin, sururbs where i live will get busy with activity once they run out of food in chicago. Sadly I would only take 4 other people.
Walk 10 feet to my gun safe and Lock N' Load; grab a scoped 44, an AR-15, and a 22 LR. And a can of spam. (Yes, I do actually have all of these things. Living in the south does occasionally have it's benefits lol)
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ineptus astartes wrote:but that has no bearing on WWZ...
the zombies became the dominant creatures on the planet in wwz.
GalacticDefender wrote:Walk 10 feet to my gun safe and Lock N' Load; grab a scoped 44, an AR-15, and a 22 LR. And a can of spam. (Yes, I do actually have all of these things. Living in the south does occasionally have it's benefits lol)
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ineptus astartes wrote:but that has no bearing on WWZ...
the zombies became the dominant creatures on the planet in wwz.
No they didn't, the humans eventually won.
...Well, the humans "survived"...and were making a come back...but there were still lots of "hot" areas..
IIRC, Iceland was a complete mess long after the war was over.
I've always wondered, though. Since the Zombies are still "dead" do they keep decomposing? If you were able to hole up somewhere safe long enough would the zombies eventually all rot away? A human body doesn't last too long in a humid environment being exposed to the elements. I mean, maybe in a desert setting they'd end up being preserved for some time, but you'd think that the moisture and insects would "kill" a zombie infestation pretty quickly.
Monster Rain wrote:IIRC, Iceland was a complete mess long after the war was over.
it was completely over run nothing was left iceland except alot zombies.
Europe was a mess. Africa was gone. Australia was freaking okay dokie. Canada fine, north america cleared. cuba democratic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_Z North Korea Deserted.
China democratic.
Japan nothing
its a win lose situation.
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Monster Rain wrote:
I've always wondered, though. Since the Zombies are still "dead" do they keep decomposing? If you were able to hole up somewhere safe long enough would the zombies eventually all rot away?
They would decompose in time, the books site the presence of Solanum for being the reason for slow decomposing...
(Most criiter that aid in breaking down a dead body will avoid the tainted flesh)...but the bodies still break down.
Given a period of time, they would comletely decompose.
1. Find and buy large amounts cheaply produced rabies vaccine
2. relabel vaccine for use against disease that nobody understands
3. prey on fears of general public and take advantage of them for own gain
4. sell vaccine to public for ten times its actual worth
5. use multibillion dollar fortune to buy safehouse in Antarctica
6. ???
7. Profit!!!
Ive been planning how to protect my family when Zday happens. So Ill probably look at the tv, say "Well feth me, it actually happened" and then kick into prepared mode
I would stay inside of a blimp and fill it with alot of high explosives so when it falls it would kill all the zombies. it would also kill off all other living life but thats just the casualties of war.
FITZZ wrote: They would decompose in time, the books site the presence of Solanum for being the reason for slow decomposing...
(Most criiter that aid in breaking down a dead body will avoid the tainted flesh)...but the bodies still break down.
Given a period of time, they would comletely decompose.
The normal period is 3-5 years, depending on conditions in the environment (desert zombies will be better preserved and last longer, swamp-dwellers will be constantly damp and slowly breaking down, and last less time). The main problem is that even when 3-5 years pass after the original wave, it'll still be another several before the zombies truly "die" out, since even a single bite can potentially cause another outbreak, which if not destroyed will last another 3-5 years before decomposing.
Personally, since I have little to no preparation, I would probably hole up in my house, weaponize what I can, and wait until the initial shock is over (thankfully I live in a fairly small town). Then, assuming that I've made it to the end of the initial wave of Zs, I'd head up north to my family cabin, stockpiling what food and weapons I can, and living off the land and lake while I wait out the storm.
@Happygrunt: as these are the Solanumite zombies of the Zombie Survival Guide and World War Z, no memories would carry over. The entirety of the person's being (memories, thoughts, etc.) die with the person. Only the body is actually reanimated as a zombie.
Locclo wrote:The normal period is 3-5 years, depending on conditions in the environment (desert zombies will be better preserved and last longer, swamp-dwellers will be constantly damp and slowly breaking down, and last less time). The main problem is that even when 3-5 years pass after the original wave, it'll still be another several before the zombies truly "die" out, since even a single bite can potentially cause another outbreak, which if not destroyed will last another 3-5 years before decomposing.
I think I'd probably stick to the White Mountains region in New Hampshire then. It's swamp in the summer and frozen solid in the winter and relatively unpopulated... basically the perfect place to wait out a zombie apocalypse.
FITZZ wrote: They would decompose in time, the books site the presence of Solanum for being the reason for slow decomposing...
(Most criiter that aid in breaking down a dead body will avoid the tainted flesh)...but the bodies still break down.
Given a period of time, they would comletely decompose.
The book sounds like crap. Ok so the pbrain doesn't need oxygen, but the rest of the body needs oxygen, water, and nutrients. Without those it will die, quickly. Further, in many parts of the world the environment is going to destroy you really fast. How would the zombie hordes have survived 100+ temperatures in the South this year? They would be dead in a day.
Troy, your missing the point. Its the magic of fictional books/movies. How does Superman fly? Why has no batman villain just shot him with a .50cal barret? Why are vampires, the way they are? How does the positrack in a Plymouth work? Because Troy. Because
The problem I'd have with a World War Z scenario is the idea of zombies overwhelming organised military. I mean, some guys in a jeep or apc with plenty of ammo could deal with a hell of a lot of zombies. I'd like to see zombies deal with tanks of any kind.
(I have read WWZ, and it's a great book, but the section with the military defeat was totally unbelievable)
The biggest risk in a zombie outbreak would be all the looters that would emerge, convinced the time had finally come.
KingCracker wrote:Troy, your missing the point. Its the magic of fictional books/movies. How does Superman fly? Why has no batman villain just shot him with a .50cal barret? Why are vampires, the way they are? How does the positrack in a Plymouth work? Because Troy. Because
My point directly impacts the thread. What do you do? Well if I'm me it won't be a problem for long because the zombies are going to fall apart extremely quickly or the military/national guard will deal with them easily. As we saw in the last ferw minutes of Night of the Living Dead, do your part and the authorities will clean it up without difficulty.
OT but I'm not getting the World War Z vibe where Cold War weapons wouldn't be effective. The Warsaw Pact and the US militaries are extremely proficient at killing their fellow man. Outside and AAA/SAM systems nothing is ineffective against the zombie menace. Even more OT but did they drop massed nerve gas on the zombies? Brain's irrelevant when all the nerves shut down too.
KingCracker wrote:Troy, your missing the point. Its the magic of fictional books/movies. How does Superman fly? Why has no batman villain just shot him with a .50cal barret? Why are vampires, the way they are? How does the positrack in a Plymouth work? Because Troy. Because
My point directly impacts the thread. What do you do? Well if I'm me it won't be a problem for long because the zombies are going to fall apart extremely quickly or the military/national guard will deal with them easily. As we saw in the last ferw minutes of Night of the Living Dead, do your part and the authorities will clean it up without difficulty.
OT but I'm not getting the World War Z vibe where Cold War weapons wouldn't be effective. The Warsaw Pact and the US militaries are extremely proficient at killing their fellow man. Outside and AAA/SAM systems nothing is ineffective against the zombie menace. Even more OT but did they drop massed nerve gas on the zombies? Brain's irrelevant when all the nerves shut down too.
You haven't dawn of the dead have you?
The effective cleanup turns out to be not so effective...
Troy wrote:. Even more OT but did they drop massed nerve gas on the zombies? Brain's irrelevant when all the nerves shut down too.
They dropped gas on refugees to kill them all so that they'd know for sure who was infected.
Not a bad idea, really. Though it wasn't very nice. Of course, this was in Russia and they don't have a very nice track record when it comes to this sort of thing in the context of national security.
"The one with the rifle shoots; the one with the bullets follows him..."
Troy. the WWZ Zs are technically shells. the Solanum is it's own viral organism. you cannot kill viruses with nerve gas.
Sigh right back at you.
Per Wiki Soalum attacks the brain. The brain is nothing but meat if the nerves powering the rest of the body are destroyed. If you can't move your muscles you can't pump blood, you can't respirate, you're entire body dies.
Alternatively, mustard gas works well if the entire nervous system is somehow mutated. Cut off the lungs and again, the body dies.
I'd agree, initially there would be abit of panic but everything could be put in control quickly, especially if the local citizenry is conscripted into the guard immediately in the form of large posses. Shambling zombies are much less of a threat than a strong airborn flu virus, else we'd all have been overcome by rabies at the dawn of time.
Now I am not arguing it might not be a nice book to read (and the discussion has peaked my interest) and the thread is fine, I'm just stating that the threat would be extremely temporary, and much less of an issue that ELE virus or something.
Now here's an interesting side bar. If Solanum impacts the dead, and vampires are dead, would vampires become zombies? If no what if a vampire bites a zombie? Would they become a vampire?
Zombies, and I hate to say this to spoil things for folks, don't exist in the real world.
Traditionally afaik it is necromancy wot makes em shuffle along, as purplefood says.
Where a morer science based explaination such as a virus is concerned, who knows.
Maybe it is the brown windsor gloop created by the virus that animates the dead.
I would explain to the shambling zombie horde that their existence is biologically impossible, and then laugh in amusements as they began decomposing at an accelerated rate to catch up with reality. Done.
And for those of you who seem to think that Mr. Brooks "Zombie Survival Guide" would actually be useful in the event that Zombies of any form WERE real: Please get a clue.
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Zombies, and I hate to say this to spoil things for folks, don't exist in the real world.
Traditionally afaik it is necromancy wot makes em shuffle along, as purplefood says.
Where a morer science based explaination such as a virus is concerned, who knows.
Maybe it is the brown windsor gloop created by the virus that animates the dead.
1. No Sherlock. Here's your sign.
2. I'm positing this as a time and force constraint. In a more real context it wouldn't get to stage 4, so your response to the discussion would be how do you react to a temporary situation.
1. No Sherlock. Here's your sign. 2. I'm positing this as a time and force constraint. In a more real context it wouldn't get to stage 4, so your response to the discussion would be how do you react to a temporary situation.
1. Sign? I see no shoe 2. What the heck are you blathering about?
yeah, for all the science that went into his books. Max brooks is a career comedian. if solanum was a virus, it would be causing the plague through ketchup and baked potatoes.
Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?
No
1. Troy is killing time until quitting time.
2. Troy is saying zombies aren't going to be around for long so preparations should only be short. Ok I'm also saying much of that World War Z sounds like utter nonsense that doesn't work.
Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?
Sort of makes your brain ache doesn't it....
Brooks, in his works of FICTION...establishes why his zombies don't just "rot away" in days...and why many conventional weapons don't affect them...
These are the guide lines for why his zombies " work" in his FICTIONAL world...
...But you know...there always has to be those few who point out the inaccuracies between fiction and reality....
BTW ...were you aware that giant robots have yet to slug it out in a major metropolitian area...yup..true story.
Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?
Sort of makes your brain ache doesn't it....
Brooks, in his works of FICTION...establishes why his zombies don't just "rot away" in days...and why many conventional weapons don't affect them...
These are the guide lines for why his zombies " work" in his FICTIONAL world...
...But you know...there always has to be those few who point out the inaccuracies between fiction and reality....
BTW ...were you aware that giant robots have yet to slug it out in a major metropolitian area...yup..true story.
The OP wasn't confined to World War Z so your statement doesn't apply. Sorry, I'll leave so you three who read the book can discuss it in detail.
SilverMK2 wrote:I'd wait for them all to fall apart, then go out and create a perspective picture on the sides of buildings - will be a fun way to spend a few years
You mean that you would make a mural out of Muriel? or a vignette out of Vinette? or a collage out of Colette?
This could be the start of my career as a writer with a debut serial killer thriller!
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(I know I know, dismembering fellow Dakkanauts breaches rule#1, even if it is in the name of art)
SilverMK2 wrote:I'd wait for them all to fall apart, then go out and create a perspective picture on the sides of buildings - will be a fun way to spend a few years
You mean that you would make a mural out of Muriel?
or a vignette out of Vinette?
or a collage out of Colette?
This could be the start of my career as a writer with a debut serial killer thriller!
Automatically Appended Next Post: or a trompe l'ouiel out of Troy *evil laugh*
(I know I know, dismembering fellow Dakkanauts breaches rule#1, even if it is in the name of art)
No - I would paint the sides of buildings so that when viewed from a specific spot they would make a picture, but from any other position you would not be able to see the image
Troy is going off about how zombies aren't real, but giving scientific reasons for why they aren't real?
Sort of makes your brain ache doesn't it....
Brooks, in his works of FICTION...establishes why his zombies don't just "rot away" in days...and why many conventional weapons don't affect them...
These are the guide lines for why his zombies " work" in his FICTIONAL world...
...But you know...there always has to be those few who point out the inaccuracies between fiction and reality....
BTW ...were you aware that giant robots have yet to slug it out in a major metropolitian area...yup..true story.
The OP wasn't confined to World War Z so your statement doesn't apply. Sorry, I'll leave so you three who read the book can discuss it in detail.
Hmm, oddly enough, due to the thread title ...one would assume that the OP was directly refering to the situations that occured in WWZ and intended to use the book as a template for the discusion....
...And " We three" must have bought a hell of a lot of copies of the book for it to become an international best seller..
I direct you to my previous post (quoted below for brevity):
I would explain to the shambling zombie horde that their existence is biologically impossible, and then laugh in amusements as they began decomposing at an accelerated rate to catch up with reality. Done.
And for those of you who seem to think that Mr. Brooks "Zombie Survival Guide" would actually be useful in the event that Zombies of any form WERE real: Please get a clue.
Why use a light sabre when a heavy cutlass would do the same job without having to worry about the batteries running out at a crucial moment of living dead onslaught?
Quite
Venezualan Striped Tree Iguana? Tastes like chicken
Giant Banana Slug fried in batter? Must surely taste like banana? Ah, it feeds on the noble sequoia so it must taste like fresh rocky mountain redwood sapiness. Right?
Wrong, he taste like chicken.
Tesco's Chicken Style fillets? Ah now that must taste like chicken. Nah tastes like diluted cardboard.
Disclaimer: could just be my cooking and in no way the fault of Tesco Supermarket. It says cook in the centre of a pre warmed oven for 20 mins at gas mark 5.
I thought it would work better if I boiled it in the bag.
Not having a suitable bag I used the box as a substitute.
what would i do? not go on a killing spree an ultimately get shot in the side.
i kinda have a plan. id probably just wait til my friend showed up,and follow his plan. if he doesnt show up,do things my way.
if he shows up as a zombie,kill him. no,wait. cut off his head,and its jaw,and keep it as a pet
lord commissar klimino wrote:what would i do? not go on a killing spree an ultimately get shot in the side.
i kinda have a plan. id probably just wait til my friend showed up,and follow his plan. if he doesnt show up,do things my way.
if he shows up as a zombie,kill him. no,wait. cut off his head,and its jaw,and keep it as a pet
Lulzors, that was funny.
OT however, I have a cave in Zion that is prepped for the Zombie Apocalypse.
I think it will be a tragic tale of a man trying to escape the zombies with a manbag full of socks; this manbag will most likely somehow be key to poor malfred's demise.
Monster Rain wrote:I think it will be a tragic tale of a man trying to escape the zombies with a manbag full of socks; this manbag will most likely somehow be key to poor malfred's demise.
Such a tough choice, too! Do I take the time to acquire more socks? Or
do I "interact" with the socks I already have?
Monster Rain wrote:I think it will be a tragic tale of a man trying to escape the zombies with a manbag full of socks; this manbag will most likely somehow be key to poor malfred's demise.
Such a tough choice, too! Do I take the time to acquire more socks? Or
do I "interact" with the socks I already have?
lord commissar klimino wrote:what would i do? not go on a killing spree an ultimately get shot in the side.
i kinda have a plan. id probably just wait til my friend showed up,and follow his plan. if he doesnt show up,do things my way.
if he shows up as a zombie,kill him. no,wait. cut off his head,and its jaw,and keep it as a pet
Porr jason.
maybe you should not have made him flip out and kill the following:
A nurse wh helped him out of his handcuffs.
A dad of some kid
A mom of some kid
a storeclerk
and then you made him take a cop hostage...at the police station.
If I recall correctly, our benevolent GM got your character shot in the side while in cuffs then get his throat torn out by half of reanimated New Orleans...
Monster Rain wrote:I think it will be a tragic tale of a man trying to escape the zombies with a manbag full of socks; this manbag will most likely somehow be key to poor malfred's demise.
Such a tough choice, too! Do I take the time to acquire more socks? Or
do I "interact" with the socks I already have?
Monster Rain wrote:I think it will be a tragic tale of a man trying to escape the zombies with a manbag full of socks; this manbag will most likely somehow be key to poor malfred's demise.
Such a tough choice, too! Do I take the time to acquire more socks? Or
do I "interact" with the socks I already have?
Monster Rain wrote:I think it will be a tragic tale of a man trying to escape the zombies with a manbag full of socks; this manbag will most likely somehow be key to poor malfred's demise.
Such a tough choice, too! Do I take the time to acquire more socks? Or
do I "interact" with the socks I already have?
Sherlock. Here's your sign.
Ah, it feeds on the noble sequoia so it must taste like fresh rocky mountain redwood sapiness. Right?
