Well if you remember a quite little topic a few months ago, I mentioned a new company that was apparently going to make 28mm plastic crusaders

Well they STILL dont have an official site but they now have a facebook page and the company is called Fireforge Games. I am very excited just by the preview pics alone! I hope the final product is good! These will also make excellent count as bretonnians (if scale doesnt bother you too much I assume)

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fireforge-Games/271339052885426?sk=wall

Very interesting. How many will come in a box, and for how much? Why do you think that the scale will be off for GW games?

It's honestly very hard to tell the detail from the pics. Price and quantity per box will make/break these for me.

Looks promising, but doesn't strike me as a set of historicals.

The big outlandish helmet decorations seem more fantasy-styled.

The inclusion of musician, banner, champion seems to indicate that they're going for the warhammer market.

True about prices, no idea on them nor numbers in the box

scarletsquig wrote:Looks promising, but doesn't strike me as a set of historicals.

The big outlandish helmet decorations seem more fantasy-styled.

The inclusion of musician, banner, champion seems to indicate that they're going for the warhammer market.

Perhaps but apparently the only thing people think of about Teutonic Knights is their silly get ups

For example, Gripping Beasts 28mm Teutonic Knights






Italeri/Zvezda 1/72 Teutonic Knights




Even total war! (blah blah blah I know they're not that historically accurate blah! )

Plastic Teutonic knights? yes please!

scarletsquig wrote:Looks promising, but doesn't strike me as a set of historicals.

The big outlandish helmet decorations seem more fantasy-styled.

The inclusion of musician, banner, champion seems to indicate that they're going for the warhammer market.

The big outlandish great helms were quite common amongst those who could afford them. You can find descriptions of them as well as examples and pictures of them in the Codex Manesse particularly of the famous Tannhäuser.



I have no idea why you think banners and musicians are fantasy only either.

Value for money will be the big decider for me in terms of counts as brettonians.

^

I was defiantly thinking of using them as more austere grail knights.

Dice Monkey wrote:
I have no idea why you think banners and musicians are fantasy only either.

Very true, forgot to mention that. Really almost all historical sets these days have Banners and Musicians when historically appropriate (especially for european armies since the roman times)

Might finally give me an excuse to get something that counts as rough riders for my Imperial Guard. "Some random feral worlds knight order" works for me, such as the ones from the Dark Angel homeworld pre-heresy.

The models look pretty good to me, from what we can see. 28mm scale with horsies, no doubt somewhat dear though.

Need more knights on foot.

Mad4Minis wrote:Need more knights on foot.

Yes but in time, these are honestly lovely. I emailed them just now asking about release and retailer sales and such as I would love too own these and carry them at my webstore!!! Honestly these are far better then the Gripping Beast versions and I forsee me doing a full army of them (especially as I am in the WAB adepticon campaign as the Kingdom of Jerusalem). Whoever made the statement on helments it would behove you I think too look something up before posting statements on historicals if you have no idea about them. That way you don't make yourself look bad honestly.

@OP: Thank you show much for posting these!

Mad4Minis wrote:Need more knights on foot.

Judging by their art, they will in time. Although it doesnt look like they're gonna do any non Western European stuff any time soon

I like them. Hopefully they look good when we get some better detail photos.

I like the horses quite a bit. I hope they will fit in well with my old style Bretonnians. The models seem pretty dynamic for mounted figs.

This company has promise.

interested. liked on FB and followed on twitter, with a question on each page.

looking promising indeed!
Hope that the potential is realised

Liking the look of the 15th century(?) armour with sallet helms. Love that style along with the 11/12th century mail, my favourite types of armour.

I can see a conversion for a Burne-Jones style Arthurian questing knights!

I always wanted to play a medieval historical game with awesome rules and tight miniatures. I dont know what the rules are and they need to seriously revamp some of thier minis. Not all, some are really good. But there is a sparkle there, of what its too early to say.

Personally I think the lasr concept art pic posted is the most evocative.

marxlives wrote:I always wanted to play a medieval historical game with awesome rules and tight miniatures. I dont know what the rules are and they need to seriously revamp some of thier minis. Not all, some are really good. But there is a sparkle there, of what its too early to say.

You want them too revamp there minis even though this is there first release. I am going to say this as I assume you namely play 40k by that statement. In real life wars soldiers don't carry five hundred pounds of gear with pouches covering there bodies. These are spot on historically with amazing perportions which is not easy by any means. Also for historicals seldom do companies come out with their own rules because most gamers use home grown or one of the umpteen billion out there. So if you are waiting on a rules set too release you will probably keep waiting honestly.

Is it me, or maybe the pics, but doesn't the knight with the sword raised look out of proportion? One of the lancers does too.....

That arm with the sword has been puzzling me too KGatch.
Not sure if it is the angle of the photo but it does look odd.
Not sure which lancer you mean.

Cost and quantity will decide this issue for me.

Just heard on facebook it a rough number of 12, but then take that with a facebook sized grain of salt.

KGatch113 wrote:

Is it me, or maybe the pics, but doesn't the knight with the sword raised look out of proportion? One of the lancers does too.....

It's the photo angle that let it look weird... truste me

So if you are waiting on a rules set too release you will probably keep waiting honestly.

Rules are coming. Oh, there'll be 12 knights per box.

They could have made it 14 per box.
Then it would have been a fort knight

Hi,

I want to introduce myself:

I'm Fabio and i'm the owner of Fireforge Games. Thanks to Arod who pointed me to this post (he is a real life friend of mine) i can answer some of the questions raised in this post.

Just heard on facebook it a rough number of 12, but then take that with a facebook sized grain of salt

There are going to be 12 knights for every box with a lot of assembling options. The price is not fixed yet but it is going to be the standard one for the equivalent plastic cavarly like Perry, Warlord etc.

That arm with the sword has been puzzling me too KGatch. Not sure if it is the angle of the photo but it does look odd.

The right arm with the sword is very well proportioned in real life, it is the pic angle that makes it not so. Moreover, consider that the body of that knight is wheeling to its back, much like charging for a sword strike, but the pic is taken from the front and it is flattened.
During next week i'll post more detailed pics of the pre-production 3up resin copies we have right now from different angles.

I like the horses quite a bit. I hope they will fit in well with my old style Bretonnians. The models seem pretty dynamic for mounted figs.

They'll fit very very well with your old style bretonnians......they were some of the miniatures we took as reference when taking the decision about scale size in pre sculpting meeting

I always wanted to play a medieval historical game with awesome rules and tight miniatures

Give time.....we are aiming not only at producing miniatures but at creating a "game system". It's our dream since we are very passioned wargamers here and we are trying to make it true.
If you pay attention to our Facebook Wall, you'll probably be able to notice that a certain ex GW game designer posted on it and we had some fun with him.......

Judging by their art, they will in time. Although it doesnt look like they're gonna do any non Western European stuff any time soon

Not all the artworks there are going to be box covers for future covers. Most of the art there was taken/commissioned for future use too like for a book...
Anyway, we want to "complete" a range/faction before advancing to the next project. Therefore, you'll not see non Western European before we have finished our crusaders line.
After our first release "Teutonic Knights" (it should be around Christmas), we'll have at least 4 more plastic releases during the first two quarters of 2012.

It's very exciting for us here at Fireforge being able to talk about it in pubblic now, although, at the same time we cannot say everything going on here.
It's REALLY a dream becoming true for us and trust me that we want to play with our Teutonic Knights on the battlefield as soon as possible!!!

Best Regards,
Fabio
General Manager
Fireforge Games

Welcome to Dakka Fabian and thanks for answering the questions.

Good luck to you and everyone involved with Fireforge Games. This is looking to be an excellent range of models.

/joker on

So, you guys aren;t going to try and price your stuff cheaper so as to generate possible sales vs the perry's, etc?

/joker off

Heh, pretty awesome to see company people here. Its always great to see the minds of the industry lower themselves to us forum dwellers! I kid I kid! I have great respect to those who arent afraid to get into public forums to have a chat and see peoples opinions

Same here, I kinda want more info on if there will be any way to get involved besides liking on facebook.

Great stuff, and good to see the model creator appearing on here as well!

Lovely looking artwork and very evocative. I can see the potential for a new army coming out of this

I have uploaded a slideshow video with some new pictures of the 3up Resin Copies we have. Here is the Link:
http://vimeo.com/fireforge/videos

I'll upload pics of these 3up resin copies on our Facebook album very soon.

Hiya, they're looking pretty good!

Nice choice of music too, reminded me I haven't seen 'Excalibur' for too long!

Any danger of Foot Knights as I'm looking for some for my HYW army..

I completely agree with Chibi.
Good luck to you and everyone involved with Fireforge Games. This is looking to be an excellent range of models.

I'm looking forward to seeing the final product - I don't think I'm the only one who as a kid had an affinity for teutonic/arthurian knights (I still fondly remember the epic colouring book I had & numerous castle trips), and it's great to see them in 28mm plastic. The artwork is fantastic and it's great to see another company entering the fold - I wish all at Fireforge the best of luck over the next few months. Bring on the Knights on foot!

Some of us had these chaps from Timpo, Warspawned


Added to the love of Arthurian tales you mention probably explains why I am so fascinated by the Fireforge release
The sub conscious desire for childhood things is a powerful thing

These are looking great! Combined with some Perry miniatures foot infantry (for archers, halbadiers and the like) and some armoured foot knights (representing Great Swords) and I think that could be a very cheap and effective historical-version style Empire army!

Pacific wrote:These are looking great! Combined with some Perry miniatures foot infantry (for archers, halbadiers and the like) and some armoured foot knights (representing Great Swords) and I think that could be a very cheap and effective historical-version style Empire army!

Hmm crusader/early knights though fit in with brets more. Although Perry is already making late medieval knights anyways

same as everyone else, cost and quantity will be the most important for me... though I have no plans of making these guys into brets but just having them if they are of good quality (still a sucker for AOE II stuff and crusades related models). Regarding the helmets, I believe it was the "Ritterbrüder " that wore the big fancy ones when they were able to afford such embellishments to their armor.

I posted 21 photos on Facebook in the album "Teutonic Knights WIP" of some 3UP Resin Copies.
Some of them are present in the movie i posted earlier.

Fabio

They look extremely good Fabio. I can't wait to see how they'll mix with my old bretonnian metals.

kenshin620 wrote:

Pacific wrote:These are looking great! Combined with some Perry miniatures foot infantry (for archers, halbadiers and the like) and some armoured foot knights (representing Great Swords) and I think that could be a very cheap and effective historical-version style Empire army!

Hmm crusader/early knights though fit in with brets more. Although Perry is already making late medieval knights anyways

Yes, I agree in theme, but rules-wise Brets have no heavy infantry option (to let you use men-at-arms models). Also, you can use crossbows/aquibusiers as handgunners in an Empire army directly.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:They could have made it 14 per box.
Then it would have been a fort knight

Come on, you made me snort milk out of my nose.

Bob Naismith has been confirmed as the sculptor over on warseer.

How does he keep getting work?

By being a good sculptor? I'm certainly a fan of his work.

lord marcus wrote:By being a good sculptor? I'm certainly a fan of his work.

If by "good" you mean "refusing to advance his style past what was acceptable before some of the posters on Dakka was born", then I guess I can understand it.

His Starship Troopers stuff outside of the bugs was atrocious.

Well, I think the mantic revenants that he sculpted are ace, and these knights look pretty dang modern as far as sculpting goes to me. But then, we all have differing opinions.

Some of the Starship troopers stuff was really good, such as the exo suits (with the exception of the 'Skinnies' perhaps, but then I thought the entire concept for them needed to go back to the drawing board).

Indeed. I agree with pacific. I think he's a good choice for these knights.

It's very nice to see another new company doing plastic historicals.

A bit late but found this post from the 19th on their face book

About their size what we are trying to achieve is an halfway scale between classic historical Perry size and "heroic" GW. In this way, we are trying to make them reasonably compatible with both. We cannot say, for sure, that we were able to do that until the moulds are complete but from our calculations on the 3up master sculptures, it should be the case. They are not going to havethe "exagerated/heroic" features of GW ones since they must be compatible with historical too but they should fit very well.
Think about the old GW Bretonnian knights, they were some of the miniatures we took as reference in pre-sculpting meetings.

I like these. I have no particular use for them insofar as a Brettonian or Germanic army, but if they're priced right, I'll buy them just to paint up.

Nothing new model wise

They has some more art though

OUR WEBSITE IS FINALLY UP!

http://www.fireforge-games.com

Fabio

Looks great!

I like the fact that there are lots of extra parts in the boxset, allowing more customisation.

Guildsman wrote:Very interesting. How many will come in a box, and for how much? Why do you think that the scale will be off for GW games?

Gee-dub is 28mm.

Wonderful site, although a forum would be nice. Very excited about upcoming releases and possible deals.

Scipio Africanus wrote:

Guildsman wrote:Very interesting. How many will come in a box, and for how much? Why do you think that the scale will be off for GW games?

Gee-dub is 28mm.

You do realize 28mm means nothing without the right words?

Though they have said the size so far seems to be a compromise between Perry and GW sizes

Latecomer to the discussion, but the figs thus far look great, and having Naismith on as sculpter is definitely a step in the right direction.

Scipio Africanus wrote:

Guildsman wrote:Very interesting. How many will come in a box, and for how much? Why do you think that the scale will be off for GW games?

Gee-dub is 28mm.

Not anymore. Sole to eye, most of the currently releases of GW figs are in the 30-32mm range. May not seem like a huge difference, but placed next to standard less-heroic 28mm figs, GW figs are massive.

That said, if they are using some older GW bretonians as scale refference, it's likely that this will be a unit that would scale fine on the board with current GW as long as you don't try to mix GW figs into the same unit. Will likely scale well with Perry too, though in both cases, how well they will look stylistically will have to wait until we see the final figs.

Yes I'm really hoping they will work well with Perry as well, will work nicely as a Bretonnian/Empire stand-in army.

I wish these other companies would do stuff that didn't follow lockstep to GW's 40k 3rd/WHFB 5th edition sculpts.

I've got my eye on this company- I like the sculpts, and really like the style- they're full of movement and energy. That fact that they plan on completing each range sounds great to my ears, as well, as I'm envisioning an entire army with the same scale and style, rather than something cobbled together from different sources. I also like the idea of them being priced like Perry's plastics. I'll definitely be buying a few boxes of these knights, and I hope the entire Teutonic range is as awesome- I also hope they all comes out soon!

Breotan wrote:I wish these other companies would do stuff that didn't follow lockstep to GW's 40k 3rd/WHFB 5th edition sculpts.

And I for one am glad that they do. I don't like GWs current Bret Knights. My Bret army is comprised of all 5th edition knights, grail knights, questing knights, and the metal MAAs. So this company producing models that scale somewhat with that style and size is perfect for me.

I also have lots of Perry crusaders for my historicals army, and again, this will fit right in size wise. Of course, these are a bit later than my first crusade force, but the plastis will be very customizeable.

GWs cav, particularly the Brets, are oversized and clunky looking in general.

Yes I agree with you 100% on that.

Not much of an update but some nice painted 3 Ups from an event called Crisis 2011

This will be at the top of my to buy list! They look awesome. I have always wanted to create a Bretonnian army based on the crusades. Now that it is a lot more achievable I may start WHFB army. Or I will buy this as a one off purchase. Either way I want some of these!

I saw their ad in this month's Wargames Illustrated, congrats on that, the eyes of the world are now truly upon you.

I like them.

If nothing else I would take the heads and use them for black templar.

Lovely booth, and those men at arms/sergeant heads look to make any knight army player happy.

FireForge has posted the kit for pre-order.
http://www.fireforge-games.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=21&category_id=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=95&vmcchk=1&Itemid=95

At roughly $31 per box (12 cavalry) these appear to be an excellent value.

Cool although looks like they wont be available for any christmas shopping.

Cant wait to see sprues

I so want some!

Our First Plastic Frame Ever!!
http://www.fireforge-games.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=114:teutonic-knights-first-plastic-frame&Itemid=477

Coming directly from the factory, it is a pre-production test.

Von Fabian

Von Fabian wrote:Our First Plastic Frame Ever!!
http://www.fireforge-games.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=114:teutonic-knights-first-plastic-frame&Itemid=477

Coming directly from the factory, it is a pre-production test.

Von Fabian

Looking great. Interesting way on how the capes work, reminds me of lego

WOW! How much are those? Those look sick awesome.

Scottywan82 wrote:WOW! How much are those? Those look sick awesome.

£20.00 for 12. So 4 more than the similarly priced GW Bretonnian Knights

Damn, sold. Any good US sites to pick these up?

Not at the moment, its just a pre order so far

FireForge has world wide shipping for £1. Makes up for the lack of any US distributor.

While I have this kit on pre-order, I'm more excited by the infantry kits to follow. I need tons of troops to build out Hail Caesar armies.

I would be VERY interested in plastic knights. I would use them as Black Templar scouts .

These look very nice. with 1UKP worldwide shipping, I could see getting a box of these. And definately interested in foot knights.

What for? I'm not sure.. but they look nice, so...

Is there any word on the possibility of Knights on Foot?

When should they be available? Any shots of the horses.

Scottywan82 wrote:When should they be available? Any shots of the horses.

Hmm not sure, since they're still working on the sprues (which is why there arent any horses yet in 28mm) I'd assume Jan-Feb?

Ahhhh... They look amazing. I just want to see them finished before I commit. Certainly the riders inspire great confidence.

I'm sold too - the paint jobs are awesome - wish I could paint like that!

Oh, wow, those look amazing!

I gather then that the eventual plan is to do Saracen/non-christian foemen after first filling out this range? (As the traditional enemy of the crusader.) Excellent. Plastic Musselmen!

Maybe some Poles and Lithuanians too even?

Horse sprue

Quite possibly the best standard plastic horse for a grunt i have ever seen.

SOLD.

When can I buy?

These look really nice, I cant wait to get some when they become available.

Scottywan82 wrote:SOLD.

When can I buy?

They're available for pre order at Fire Forge Games! I was thinking of getting some myself.

But when do they actually release?

I have no idea, but I'm waiting util then.

Scottywan82 wrote:But when do they actually release?

Their Facebook page has a comment which says the kit will be released the last week of January.

Hell yeah! I'm waiting until they are legit out, but Im super excited. Great kit.

Northstar states that they will have the kit on February 10th.

New photo from FireForge of the assembled figures.

RanTheCid wrote:Northstar states that they will have the kit on February 10th.

Hmm, FF says they're shipping on the 14th

The logistic nightmare of organizing several shippings for product frames, printed boxes, miniature bases etc. is settled and solved. Considering printing, moulding, shipping times of loose frames as well as packaging times for shippings to retailers and customers worldwide, we’ll be able to start sending our first boxes from 14th February. DEUS VULT!

Also, dem sprues!

Hmm my Empire army is looking closer than ever now!

Painted knights are here

Hmmm according to their website, the Knights should be shipping on the 14/15th. Guess that means they're almost here

Heh, I cant believe I first heard about these guys back in the summer. Time sure does fly by

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:They could have made it 14 per box.
Then it would have been a fort knight

Boooooooo.

Also, awesome looking painted minis. I can never get white to look that good.

Its been confirmed via FB that the first boxes have been sent out. Wow look at them boxes

As soon as I have some god damn money. Now I have to actually work on getting a job. boooo

Has anyone who ordered theses fine looking miniatures got them yet?
I pre ordered some and thought they may have come today.

Or am I just being impatient

I live in the uk but have no idea where they are being shipped from. Hope someone can enlighten me.

Still waiting for mine. I pre-ordered back in December & they charged my account on 2-7-12. I think they have a distribution agreement with Alliance in the US - not sure if they will ship direct or if I need to wait for an extra stop over.

RanTheCid wrote:Still waiting for mine. I pre-ordered back in December & they charged my account on 2-7-12. I think they have a distribution agreement with Alliance in the US - not sure if they will ship direct or if I need to wait for an extra stop over.

Your order shipped with all USA orders on 15th February and it takes 8-10 working days for USA. We charged most accounts one week before shipping but it was not intentional. The shipment from the factory of our very first frames should have arrived at our warehouse during the first week of February but they arrived late (14th February) for the VERY BAD snowy weather that hit Europe last weeks. We packaged and tried to ship the first boxes as fast as we could. Distributors in UK (our frames are manufactored there) were the very first ones to have them, even before us! for this exceptional weather situation.

A little patience for these very first shipments, we didn't have nothing in stock.....this run of production is the starting stock!
You'll be very satisfied when you'll receive your box.

Cheers,
Von Fabian
Fireforge Games

Oooh... nice! Horned helmet is the spitting image of my Hero John De Sully! real guy, absolute hero! Lived to be 105 dont cha know!

@Von Fabian: I'm a patient guy. Warlord charged me in January for the Phalangites pre-order which were delivered 30 days later in February. I actually take the account charge as a positive sign - that the product has moved from WIP to 'for sale'.

According to TMP, several people have gotten their shipments so thats a good sign

http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=257981

My Knights arrived yesterday. The kit is well sculpted and well cast with very few mold lines. The body and weapons of the knight are slim/trim and a good match for most other historical plastic kits. What makes this kit stand out is the volume occupied by the assembled model - with capes and arms and barding flying off the figure - the completed model appears to be much bigger than it actually is.

Pro/con
The rider/horse join is the best I've ever seen in a cavalry kit. There is an obvious line where the two halfs of the horse come together - those with modeling OCD will want to use a touch of putty. I wish the horse head was not a flat join to the body - once again, some modelers will want to clean up that joint. While working with the hand weapons included on the frame (sword/axe/mace/flail) I was immediately struck by the desire for a dismounted knights kit using these weapons.