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Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:03:28


Post by: Gorlak


via Beasts of War...


Forge World are (confirmed available at GDUK2011 by Forge World) going to have a couple of new 40k kits out for Gamesday UK:

Dark Eldar Tantalus



and....



Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:06:52


Post by: ShumaGorath


Oh Christ, the mid 90's RC car is back. Are the proportions better now at least?

:edit: The catamaran is beautiful though.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:15:17


Post by: poipo32


They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:16:40


Post by: warspawned


ShumaGorath wrote:Oh Christ, the mid 90's RC car is back. Are the proportions better now at least?


With a vengeance baby, yeah! It looks better proportioned and that Tantalus looks sexy - it's like the Dark Eldar are doing a Gillette - now with four blades! I'm still waiting for a razor to come out with 10 blades that's nuclear powered.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:17:29


Post by: Ratius


Proteus *hyperventilates*
Look at those tracks!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:18:05


Post by: shoggoth


£80 for that Land Raider?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:19:52


Post by: Platuan4th


My DW WILL have that Proteus.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:21:16


Post by: poipo32


BTW it's Land Raider Prometheus not Proteus.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:22:29


Post by: DX3


OOOoOO. Land Raider Drool on my shirt.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:26:28


Post by: Platuan4th


poipo32 wrote:BTW it's Land Raider Prometheus not Proteus.


Pretty sure it's not, since the Prometheus already exists.

THIS is the Prometheus:



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:29:01


Post by: Alpharius


poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.


No doubt - and it does look 'correctly' proportioned this time!

They are going to sell a ton of them!

shoggoth wrote:£80 for that Land Raider?


Er, scratch that - maybe not so many after all!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:31:38


Post by: Gorlak


poipo32 wrote:BTW it's Land Raider Prometheus not Proteus.


I thought the same when I looked at BoW news item, but as Platuan4th points out, thought that was weird as there was already a Prometheus...

Forge Worlds Gamesday website (link in first post) has the correct name of 'Proteus'.

Makes sense, suggesting (lightly) a link to 'Prototype'


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:36:17


Post by: warboss


Gorlak wrote:



Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!



Very interesting... I wonder how they'll fit this new-but-old variant into the fluff... We've already got a preheresy LR in the MkIIB so I'm guessing this one will have a MkI monniker. Will it be a newly uncovered STC variant that is a prototype or an even more advanced model ala the contemptor? I'm also curious to see the size of the tank as the old RT LR is shorter but taller than current LRs.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:41:46


Post by: Snord


Wow, that really brings back memories - when GW only did 3 plastic vehicle kits, and every Imperial army had Land Raiders (which came in boxes of two). I like how they've stuck closely to the original, but subtly modified the details, like the track plates (there are more of them and theyr'e smaller). It looks a bit longer than the original too. I'd be very tempted to get one, despite the hefty price tag. Wouldn't really know what to do with it though.

What next - FW versions of the original beakie Marines?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:44:11


Post by: Platuan4th


Tailgunner wrote:
What next - FW versions of the original beakie Marines?


Where have you been?







Wonder if Harlequins will be able to take it as a Dedicated Transport?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:50:18


Post by: warboss


Platuan4th wrote:
Wonder if Harlequins will be able to take it as a Dedicated Transport?


Or... dare I say it... guardsmen?!?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:52:15


Post by: Gorechild


The Tantalus is beautiful. God damn you forgeworld, I thought I finally had all the DE I wanted!!!!!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 14:53:47


Post by: Panic


yeah,
poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.


Yes.
Yes they will !


Panic...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:06:24


Post by: Snord


Platuan4th wrote:
Where have you been?


Under a rock, obviously. If I knew about those, I'd forgotten.

According to the FW newsletter, the Proteus is the precursor to the Phobos. It is 'bulkier and faster' as well, and used as a 'forward assault vehicle' (that presumably means it's part of the assault before the real assault).


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:10:05


Post by: Koz


Tailgunner wrote:
According to the FW newsletter, the Proteus is the precursor to the Phobos. It is 'bulkier and faster' as well, and used as a 'forward assault vehicle' (that presumably means it's part of the assault before the real assault).


Since it doesn't have Assault Ramps, it may act as a fast moving Land Raider to counter balance things. It may also be cheaper in points compared the to the standard LR.

To be honest, it doesn't matter what the rules will be, we're all gonna want one of these!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:10:32


Post by: nectarprime


I was pretty stoked on the Land Raider until I realized it's $126 and requires conversion to be used in normal games (does not appear to have heavy bolters).


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:12:03


Post by: Platuan4th


nectarprime wrote:I was pretty stoked on the Land Raider until I realized it's $126 and requires conversion to be used in normal games (does not appear to have heavy bolters).


It only requires conversion if your group doesn't allow FW.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:12:34


Post by: Reecius


Forgeworld rules.

Both of those are fething awesome.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:15:05


Post by: Breotan


poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.

Define "many".




Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:16:16


Post by: Panic


yeah,
Tailgunner wrote:Since it doesn't have Assault Ramps...


I dunno about that, half way up the front at the side there is what looks like a pivot point.
I can see the front panel folding over the rams in a drawbridge kinda fashion?

Panic...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:17:56


Post by: Alpharius


Panic wrote:yeah,
poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.


Yes.
Yes they will !


nectarprime wrote:I was pretty stoked on the Land Raider until I realized it's $126 and requires conversion to be used in normal games (does not appear to have heavy bolters).


I don't think they're going to sell all that many, for all of the reasons nectarprime noted...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:19:11


Post by: notprop


warboss wrote:......... I'm also curious to see the size of the tank as the old RT LR is shorter but taller than current LRs.


If you take the raised profile which has the same shape at the current LR model as the same dimensions I can see it being an inch or so higher and an inch longer.

I look forward to some pictures of it next to some beakies.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:20:14


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Gorlak wrote:


OH. MY. GOD.

That is just out-of-this-world-cool.

Sorry, I'm a big fan of old models, and the original Land Raider was my first ever GW vehicle, so this is a huge bit of nostalgia for me. So awesome!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:21:50


Post by: notprop


Re price they have sold resin baneblades and titans for big sums I wouldn't under estimate some peoples desire to pick up a demi companies worth.

I mean kudo the the first person to get 2 or 3 of these on the tabletop at a tourney.

And as if by magic HBMC appears giddy as a school girl.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:28:11


Post by: Ma55ter_fett


$126 is a bit rich for anyone who didn't play in the 90's IMO.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:32:56


Post by: warboss


Panic wrote:yeah,

I dunno about that, half way up the front at the side there is what looks like a pivot point.
I can see the front panel folding over the rams in a drawbridge kinda fashion?

Panic...


The original had something like that too with a wierd series of circular beams on rails under an armor plate. The new one looks even more like a wheelchair lift on a bus so I suspect the assault ramp won't be a problem. As for converting a twin heavy bolter, I think that should be pretty darn easy to put on up on the multimelta cupola mounting.

This new version does appear to have the overall shape and size does seem to match the current LR instead of the original's.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:38:05


Post by: notprop


Just got the newsletter and it says its 11" long and £85.

It also says its bulkier and faster. Make of that what you will.

Rules in IA: Apoc 2nd Ed.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:44:28


Post by: H.B.M.C.


notprop wrote:And as if by magic HBMC appears giddy as a school girl.


Sorry, I'll add a little dose of negativity to balance it out:


Hey all you Forge World fans heading to Games Day Oz. Looking forward to buying a bunch of FW stuff direct rather than ordering it? Well get ready for the extra special GDOZ price increases! That's right, as a direct 'screw you' to all the Aussie fans (as if we hadn't taken it up the back passage enough this year), all FW items at the show will be more expensive than their listed price on the FW website. It's like they've gone and included the shipping already... even though you're not having it shipped to you... and in fact paid $75 for a ticket to stand in line to be charged more for shipping you're not getting.

Being an Aussie 40K player is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Enough sarcasm for ya?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 15:50:23


Post by: Panic


yeah,
H.B.M.C. wrote:...Enough sarcasm for ya?



Panic...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:07:44


Post by: Killian


Nostalgia aside, that Land Raider looks like crap AND it's $120+... I don't think they will sell a lot.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:15:27


Post by: CURNOW


Mk1 rhinos next please FW


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:36:05


Post by: Kanluwen


This is a very distinctly "meh" release for me.

The Tantalus is nice, but really? The Proteus? You might as well make the lawnchairs have a comeback.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:46:52


Post by: Ascalam


Knowing GW...



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:48:13


Post by: Manchu


How about some classic wave serpents, FW? I keed. Seriously, as much as I love the old LR for its time and place, I cannot see spending FW prices for old timey stuff.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:49:54


Post by: nectarprime


Manchu wrote:How about some classic wave serpents, FW? I keed. Seriously, as much as I love the old LR for its time and place, I cannot see spending FW prices for old timey stuff.


Well if you're able to find the old kit, or even the assembled model, it will be at least $100 from what I have seen. For a few bucks more you get a newer sculpt and resin casting.

The price is bad honestly.... but that does not mean that I won't pick one up.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:54:38


Post by: Soul of Iron


Holy crap that skimmer is laser-awesome!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:54:56


Post by: Manchu


I would not buy an old LR for $100 whether used or new. I like them a lot but it's just way, way too much -- for me to pay, of course. Zei gesunt to everyone in the throws of nostalgia.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:57:25


Post by: biccat


Not a big fan of the catamaran, it's a good concept that appears to have failed in the execution.

I do like the "updated" original Land Raider, but the price tag is WAY too high to pique my interest.

1 Land Raider for the price of 2? No thanks.



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 16:59:51


Post by: sum1thtdiesalot


So is the dark eldar tantalus a limited edition model? It says in the email it will be available in limited numbers at gamesday UK. Does that mean i have to get someone to buy one for me there or will they be a production model at a later date?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:02:23


Post by: Kanluwen


sum1thtdiesalot wrote:So is the dark eldar tantalus a limited edition model? It says in the email it will be available in limited numbers at gamesday UK. Does that mean i have to get someone to buy one for me there or will they be a production model at a later date?

It means that they will have a limited amount of them available at GDUK.

They do not do large kits like the Tantalus as "event only". They are just going to be available prior to the release there, in limited quantities.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:02:26


Post by: Platuan4th


sum1thtdiesalot wrote:So is the dark eldar tantalus a limited edition model? It says in the email it will be available in limited numbers at gamesday UK. Does that mean i have to get someone to buy one for me there or will they be a production model at a later date?


It's a production model that's going to have limited preview purchase quantities as GD UK.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:04:28


Post by: Praxiss


I think it means there will be limited numbers at Games Day and the official release model is stilla bit down the road.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:10:02


Post by: sum1thtdiesalot


Whew.. thanks guys. I was really worried about paying $134 for a limited edition model that I wouldn't even get to use very much. Im getting a feeling that the tantalus will be like a dark eldar Caestus assault ram though, anyone else get that impression?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:12:41


Post by: monkeyh


I like the Dark Eldar Tantalus (not that I use Dark Eldar) but a MK1 Land Raider for £80? What is the point? You can pick these up on e-bay for around half that price! They'd have spent there time better doing something new. Having said that I think it looks a bit better than the original (which I still have two of), but I'm afraid it's too expensive to tempt me.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:14:23


Post by: Theophony


Glad I sold my older land raider a few months ago, with this kit out anybody wanting to build hersey era armies will be placated. I still prefer the bloodandskullsindustries version over this any day.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:28:50


Post by: aka_mythos


They've finally done IT, I can't believe they've finally done it. Really awesome landraider; for the price I'm betting it has an interior.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:31:52


Post by: ShumaGorath


I'm glad they redid a 20 year old shoebox instead of producing a tervigon or mycetic spore. Apparently there are more millionaire space marine players then tyranid players of any trax bracket.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:46:28


Post by: Praxiss


Agreed.

And heaven forbid they should come up with a nice new Chaos LR varient. Instead lets wheel out YET ANOTHER loyalist LR pattern. Whats that, 8 or 9 now?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:47:52


Post by: Commander Cain


DE ship, fantastic! A great combo of sleek, spikey goodness, with a bit of power thrown in the mix. The LR, seems like they stuck a little too close to the original GW design and did not add enough 'new' detail to it. Nonetheless, I can see this being a fairly good seller despite its overpricing, I need more pics to make my mind up about it tbh.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:49:38


Post by: Alpharius


Ma55ter_fett wrote:$126 is a bit rich for anyone who didn't play in the 90's IMO.


It is a bit rich for anyone that DID play in the 90's!

Especially since many of them probably have kids now too!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:49:50


Post by: Mad4Minis


Oh man, I love them both...but oh my those prices. The DE ship seems ok really, but that LR strikes me as quite a bit overpriced.


Sadly Ill probably pony up for 1 of each someday.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 17:53:00


Post by: aka_mythos


ShumaGorath wrote:I'm glad they redid a 20 year old shoebox instead of producing a tervigon or mycetic spore. Apparently there are more millionaire space marine players then tyranid players of any trax bracket.

Statistically the odds of there being millionaire space marine players is high just by virtue of the space marine fan base being that much larger. Over 60% of GW's fanbase are Space Marines players. Considering the world population and the number of millionaires in the world 1/200 people playing 40k are millionaires or in the household of a millionaire; GW's demographic focus on affluent parts of the world only heightens that likely hood.

Instead of being happy that FW decided to release the Dark Eldar Tantalus making this more than just marines... there is cup half empty and there is cup half full... and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:06:32


Post by: Platuan4th


aka_mythos wrote:and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.


*spittake!*

My cup!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:13:35


Post by: njpc


So at $126 US... I don't understand the point. People can say they will purchase it for memories of the 90's. Isn't $126 roughtly the cost for GW Landraiders at present? I'd rather have 2 landraiders vs 1.

I still remember the tan Beakies, and the 2 Land Raiders in 1 kit. I was insanely jealous as I struggled to build and carry around my all Metal Eldar army. Also the original Space Orks and Squats.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:38:52


Post by: Kroothawk


Here the complete newsletter (please update the title of this thread:
Hi there,

In this week’s newsletter we can announce two more Games Day UK exclusive pre-release items that will be on sale in limited numbers, well in advance of their scheduled release date…

Dark Eldar Tantalus

First crafted, so it is said, for the Archon Surasis Grief of the Kabal of the Dark Mirror, the Dark Eldar Tantalus is an assault skimmer, somewhat larger and more complex in design than the Raider, and accordingly better armed. Its distinctive twin-hulled design houses powerful engine-reactors slaved to enhanced drives and its unique scythevane armament.

One of the largest Dark Eldar vehicles yet encountered by the Imperial war machine, the cruel reavers who crew this sleek engine of destruction take delight in mounting high-speed attacks, slicing through the hulls of enemy vehicles and rending infantry into crimson shreds, heralded by the screech of the molecular dissonance fields of its scythevanes and the rapid fire of its pulse-disintegrator armament.

The Tantelus, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a detailed full resin kit that includes a set of etched brass deck panels. Measuring nearly 11” from prow to stern, this twin-hulled vehicle is a great addition to any Dark Eldar army. With its full rules contained within the forthcoming Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition, the Tantalus will be available in limited numbers from the Forge World Sales stand at Games Day UK, priced £85.



Land Raider Proteus

The Land Raider is perhaps the most iconic of all Imperial armoured vehicles. Its distinctive silhouette is recognisable to foe and ally alike, announcing the indomitable presence of the Adeptus Astartes, the heroic and super-human Space Marines. Many patterns and designs of this honoured and ancient war machine exist across the myriad worlds of the Imperium, and among the oldest of such designs is the Land Raider Proteus.

Mechanicus tech-savants believe that the Land Raider Proteus is a precursor to the Phobos pattern vehicle now found amongst the armouriums of the Adeptus Astartes. Bulkier and faster than the Phobos, ancient and forgotten data-looms describe the Proteus as a forward assault vehicle, commonly fielded in Explorator missions during the dawning days of Mankind’s fledgling galactic empire.

This full resin kit, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is packed with some amazing details and two different hull-mounted weapon options to supplement its twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons. Available for the first time in limited numbers at Games Day UK, the Land Raider Proteus is priced at £80.



Games Day UK Seminars and Reservations

Tony Cottrel will be hosting a couple of Seminars during the day. To get tickets for the Seminars follow the signs to the Westside restaurant and you wil find the Seminar room. The tickets are limited to one per person on a first come first served basis. The seminars are limited to 142 seats each so it is best to get there early to avoid disappointment.

Sadly we can no longer accept reservations for Games Day. Reservations this year will not be held at the Forge World sales stand but will have their own area next to the recruitment stand in the main foyer.

Games Day Italy Reservations Now Being Taken

With Games Day Italy, at the Forum Guido Monzani in Modena on 16th October, rapidly approaching, we are now accepting reservation orders for this event. This is the best way of ensuring that we will have exactly the models you’re looking for, packed up and waiting for you to pay for on the day.

To place a reservation order, please send an e-mail entitled ‘Games Day Italy Reservation’ to fwreservations@games-workshop.co.uk, making sure to provide your full name and a list of the items you’d like to reserve. You can also phone the Forge World Customer Service team on 0011 44 115 916 8177.

You can place a reservation for anything currently available from the online store, as well as our Event Only MkIII Boarding Space Marine and Chaos Dwarf Hellsmith figures and the models in this newsflash. We will provide a confirmation e-mail before the event that will contain your order number and a total cost in Euros, payable upon collection.

The cut-off date for Games Day Italy reservation orders is 3rd October, so make sure your e-mail reaches us before this date.

Games Day Australia Update

A huge selection of the Warhammer Forge and Forge World ranges will be available from the Forge World stand at Games Day Australia, which will be held on 1st October at the Australian Technology Park, Redfern, NSW. Both our 2011 Event Only MkIII Boarding Space Marine and Chaos Dwarf Hellsmith models will be on sale, and to mark the return of Games Day Australia, we’re also offering an exclusive last chance to buy some of our previous Event Only models as well.

If you have placed a reservation for Games Day Australia, you’ll soon be receiving a confirmation e-mail with your order number, details of any items we’ve been unable to reserve, and a total cost in AU$ payable on the day.

Please contact GW Australia Customer Service for full details of pricing at the event, or download a pdf copy of our updated 2011 Forge World catalogue and brand new Warhammer Forge catalogue.

Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:42:57


Post by: Agamemnon2


I want to see more and better pictures of both of these, but initially they look promising.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:46:32


Post by: LakotaWolf


its so nice the DE have a catamaran to go with their dingys


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:53:14


Post by: RiTides


Wow, I can't believe people are so interested in that landraider. I played in the '90s, and that's still before my time. I guess if it wasn't I'd have nostalgia... maybe?

I remember loving beakie marines, but never, Ever craving that old landraider.

And for 80 pounds, I can't believe how many folks are interested! Different strokes, I guess...

Now that DE vehicle is a whole different matter . Awesome!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:55:06


Post by: LavuranGuard


Did Christmkas come early???

One of each please!



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 18:56:16


Post by: warboss


RiTides wrote:Wow, I can't believe people are so interested in that landraider. I played in the '90s, and that's still before my time. I guess if it wasn't I'd have nostalgia... maybe?

I remember loving beakie marines, but never, Ever craving that old landraider.

And for 80 pounds, I can't believe how many folks are interested! Different strokes, I guess...

Now that DE vehicle is a whole different matter . Awesome!


I was ecstatic when they came out with a new version of the land raider back in 3rd edition and was surprised too to see that the old RT ones routinely go for more on ebay than the newer style ones in better condition. What interests me the most in that press release is that they're calling the Proteus "faster" than the current LR. I'm curious to see if it'll end up a fast vehicle...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 19:16:08


Post by: derling


poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.


I'm inclined to agree. I think the b est estimate of anticipated sales is to draw the correlation

Players buying PRe-heresy FW marine armies will buy the same amount of the Proteious landradiers a rate correlating to the number of GE landraiders are generally purchased by GW Marine Army players. So if Pre heresy Marine kits sell, this new landraider will sell


I'm curious as to how exactly the rules for it will go. I have to say despite not feeling retro-nostalgic normally, I may pick one of these up so I can remind myself I once bought nearly the same thing 22 years ago for $19.00......



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 19:25:53


Post by: Polonius


I think that FW knows that there are a lot of hobbiests with far more money than time.

I can't be alone in having an armies worth of stuff NIB in my closet. I know that I'm becoming more and more interested in having fewer, more expensive models just so I don't have more stuff to paint.



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 20:38:41


Post by: Alkasyn


Way too expensive to be of interest for both of those, the Catamaran does look cool, tho. I'd never consider getting the LR - I guess I got into the game too late to feel nostalgic about that hunk of plastic.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 20:56:52


Post by: kenshin620


Hehehe, old land raider. Shame I never buy FW though

They need to start making RT Terminators now


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:00:33


Post by: Scottywan82


LOVE BOTH! Cannot wait to get the Tantalus. OG-LR is awesomesauce as well.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:04:44


Post by: Griever


$126 f0r an ugly model?

Not really a fan of the DE thing either, it's just a venom with two huge prows on it, why have 75% of the vehicle be doing absolutely nothing?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:20:16


Post by: Howard A Treesong


The Landraider is a thing of beauty. I want that more than pretty much anything else in the catalogue. I guess if you don't understand the nostalgia, it's because you weren't there when it was originally released. I had two of the old ones, now just the one which I want to restore.

I thought it would be over £100. Maybe the tear in my eye is affecting my judgement, but I can see myself saving up for one of these eventually.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:26:57


Post by: Joshh


Should I get the new-old Raider, the Caestus Assault Ram or the PRAETOR ARMOURED ASSAULT LAUNCHER? One of them will be bought.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:29:50


Post by: BrookM


Knowing the Dakka Dakka crowd, the latter..


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:37:15


Post by: CT GAMER


You gotta love how FW is now going retro and releasing models with the look of the old eighties stuff but at five times the price...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 21:44:20


Post by: Ascalam


Just like everything else retro.

I find the retro craze a bit wierd, honestly.

When your childhoood/adolescence/young adulthood goes retro you start feeling really old..

What's hilarious is the kids wearing retro gear and banging on about how original it is and that no-one has ever dressed like THIS before...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 22:03:14


Post by: MajorTom11


FW is blowing me away in the past year or 2... sure, a few misses as to be expected, but they certainly seem to be interested in giving the people what they want. Combine that with regular updates, sneak peaks and good customer service, and they have won me over. Expensive as hell though, but we can't pretend we don't know that going in lol!

@Ritides - I think there is also a certain value to be had for many in owning something rare to set them apart. Especially on hobby centric army projects, you always want to go that extra mile wherever you can... There is a certain prestige to FW items that is just as much a part of the sell as the models themselves at times I think.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 22:18:45


Post by: H.B.M.C.


CT GAMER wrote:You gotta love how FW is now going retro and releasing models with the look of the old eighties stuff but at five times the price...


To be fair, that's what you'll pay for an on-sprue Mk.I Land Raider on eBay.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 23:17:56


Post by: Sidstyler


I really like that DE skimmer but not at 85GBP. :\


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/16 23:55:34


Post by: Panic


CT GAMER wrote:You gotta love how FW is now going retro and releasing models with the look of the old eighties stuff but at five times the price...


yeah,
off you go and buy yourself a nice cheap old Wurlitzer Edited to remove uncharacteristically rude comment - Lorek

Panic...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 01:04:16


Post by: Anarchyman99


I saw the the MKI Land Raider, and did some swearing.....I just picked up two MKIIB0's from Gamesday.....BALLS!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 01:05:32


Post by: aka_mythos


Sidstyler wrote:I really like that DE skimmer but not at 85GBP. :\
FW is pretty consistent with their prices relative to the physical size of the kits... the Land Raider for example is similar in price to the Malcador tanks, which are similar in size. The tantalus, based on its base, size is about the same size as this new Land Raider but with more involved parts. This price is consistent, at which point you just have a problem with FW and it has little to do with the price of this specific model.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 04:06:27


Post by: Fishboy


I want to see that DE catamaran right next to a normal raider to get a better size comparison.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 07:01:24


Post by: Heliodore


Wow, I'm a bit floored, the retro LR is a nice suprise! For someone who got into the hobby in the late 90s I have quite a lot of nostalga for the original model. Even though they were oop by the time I started playing, my very first LR was a second-hand MkI I got off a guy for $20, still have it! I'd love to see them side by side! Of course, I won't be buying one right away, but eventually!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 07:08:50


Post by: monkeyh


Joshh wrote:Should I get the new-old Raider, the Caestus Assault Ram or the PRAETOR ARMOURED ASSAULT LAUNCHER? One of them will be bought.


Caestus Assault Ram!

aka_mythos wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:I'm glad they redid a 20 year old shoebox instead of producing a tervigon or mycetic spore. Apparently there are more millionaire space marine players then tyranid players of any trax bracket.

Statistically the odds of there being millionaire space marine players is high just by virtue of the space marine fan base being that much larger. Over 60% of GW's fanbase are Space Marines players. Considering the world population and the number of millionaires in the world 1/200 people playing 40k are millionaires or in the household of a millionaire; GW's demographic focus on affluent parts of the world only heightens that likely hood.

Instead of being happy that FW decided to release the Dark Eldar Tantalus making this more than just marines... there is cup half empty and there is cup half full... and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.


Ooooo! Now I've just realised my odds of being a millionaire have rapidly increased - I'm buying lottery tickets today!

Platuan4th wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.


*spittake!*

My cup!


Aaaargh! My cup overfloweth!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 12:15:44


Post by: cadbren


I just went on to Forgeworld's website, how long have they had the Master of the Forge with conversion beamer figure? They also have some accessories for boarding marines which I'm not that into and some more contemptor upgrades.

I'll definitely keep an eye out for that old style land raider too, and no I'm far from being a millionaire, I just don't spend all my money on beer and the like.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 12:26:35


Post by: WarOne


Ma55ter_fett wrote:$126 is a bit rich for anyone who didn't play in the 90's IMO.


$126 is a bit rich for many people, especially the kind that mock those who spend $126 on a piece of resin when your average joe goes out to get a 200 pack of beer for $126.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 12:29:49


Post by: Ouze


I guess nostalgia's worth quite a bit. I like the current Land Raider substantially more, but I've only been playing for 3 years.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 12:45:45


Post by: cadbren


I think it's because at some level we rebel against the idea that the Imperium has not developed anything in the last 10,000 years. Having different armour marks and vehicle marks adds more depth to the story by giving a sense of history. That's my take on it anyway.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 15:15:36


Post by: Mr. S Baldrick


Oh yeah my squats are getting some new rides


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 15:52:35


Post by: Coolyo294


DE Catamaran: Beautiful
Land Raider: Ugly piece of RT gak.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 17:28:12


Post by: Fishboy


Coolyo294 wrote:DE Catamaran: Beautiful
Land Raider: Ugly piece of RT gak.


QFT!!!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 17:28:59


Post by: H.B.M.C.


But the RT Land Raider was never good looking.

Doesn't make it uncool though.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 17:32:58


Post by: GentlemanGuy


RT Land Raider O_O

need to go hospital now after having a heart attack from the shear awsomeness of that model


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 17:38:02


Post by: Vertrucio


Is that thing driving on its track hinges?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 18:08:47


Post by: DraconicGuardian


Fishboy wrote:I want to see that DE catamaran right next to a normal raider to get a better size comparison.


The actual newsletter Kroothawk posted says the Tantalus is about 11" long. That puts it at about twice the length of a normal Raider (depends on whether you count the ram on the front or not....difference between it being 5 or 6 inches long.). So from there, hopefully you can kinda get an idea of the size of that monster!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 20:36:54


Post by: Mr Morden


The Tantalus is cool and willl be bought oh yes, its lovely.

I still have the original RT Land Raider Must get round to having it built!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 20:39:59


Post by: Kanluwen


Why build it?
If it's still in the box--sell it so you can afford two Tantaluses!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 21:13:23


Post by: Mr Morden


Really I did not know it was worth that much! - Hmm I will have to have a look - I think its all there win the old box.

thanks


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/17 23:49:32


Post by: aka_mythos


H.B.M.C. wrote:But the RT Land Raider was never good looking.

Doesn't make it uncool though.
I think somewhere people are forgetting warmachines aren't really designed to be sexy. If they appear sexy its because someone was stranded out in the middle of nowhere fully dependent on one for their safety and life. Sexy is in the eye of the beholder.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 01:08:32


Post by: DraconicGuardian


aka_mythos wrote:I think somewhere people are forgetting warmachines aren't really designed to be sexy.


Maybe for you Imperium and Marine types. You cannot say anything to convince me that Catamaran is not sexy as well as deadly.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 07:19:57


Post by: Squat Kid


My Inq just got a sick new ride for him and his henchies


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 07:38:21


Post by: Kamsm8


The DE vehicle looks awesome, but I'm not sure I like the idea of it having lascannons... Nothing else in the DE armoury (currently) has lascannons. Dark lances, void lances, haywire blasters... Sure, any of those weapons, even beefier versions of them. Maybe some weaponry similar to that of the Eldar FW stuff. But lascannons? That's too imperial for my liking...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 07:40:20


Post by: Relapse


Guess it's time to break out my RT era Land Raider from its box and get it back on the table.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 08:09:53


Post by: warpcrafter


If some Eldar player actually paid the money for one of those, and painted it in appropriate Harlequin colors, I would let them use it, and then make it the target of my wrath just for kicks! (New model syndrome is a bitch!) By the way, if GW does actually put out a Chaos Legions Codex, that thing will be on my list for sure.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 08:29:20


Post by: Sarpedon_702


It reminds me of the Epic LR's. i must say i like the new ones better. I understand it's retro, but seriously we've come a long way from this. But, kudos FW for playing to your boys!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 09:02:07


Post by: Breotan


Forge World already has mods based on the Epic land raider though.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 14:00:47


Post by: RandomX


I am basically out of the hobby (not the price gouging or other shenanigans, its just not fun to play anymore...), and I am going to have one of these LRs.

I remember the old plastic one I used to have.

-Eric


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 15:21:29


Post by: SonicPara


Kamsm8 wrote:The DE vehicle looks awesome, but I'm not sure I like the idea of it having lascannons... Nothing else in the DE armoury (currently) has lascannons. Dark lances, void lances, haywire blasters... Sure, any of those weapons, even beefier versions of them. Maybe some weaponry similar to that of the Eldar FW stuff. But lascannons? That's too imperial for my liking...


Where did you see that it has Lascannons?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 15:30:46


Post by: redeyed


nice that they have re-released the old RT land raider, but the price is a bit high for it I must say >.<


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 15:32:32


Post by: palehorse


Gorlak wrote:via Beasts of War...


Forge World are (confirmed available at GDUK2011 by Forge World) going to have a couple of new 40k kits out for Gamesday UK:

Dark Eldar Tantalus



and....







Images from the past!yes!

Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 16:25:03


Post by: Squat Kid


Mr. S Baldrick wrote:Oh yeah my squats are getting some new rides


My thoughts exactly, hope that wasn't sarcasm...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:05:26


Post by: Kamsm8


SonicPara wrote:

Where did you see that it has Lascannons?


This full resin kit, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is packed with some amazing details and two different hull-mounted weapon options to supplement its twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:14:34


Post by: sum1thtdiesalot


Yeah that bit was for the land raider. The Tantalus is armed with scythevanes and pulse disintegrators, whatever those are


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:16:38


Post by: army310


Kamsm8 wrote:
SonicPara wrote:

Where did you see that it has Lascannons?


This full resin kit, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is packed with some amazing details and two different hull-mounted weapon options to supplement its twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons

ya i think twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons is for the landraider.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:18:28


Post by: Kamsm8


heralded by the screech of the molecular dissonance fields of its scythevanes and the rapid fire of its pulse-disintegrator armament.


Ooops, you guys are right! Hah. This makes much more sense and makes me a happy Eldar.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:30:17


Post by: army310


its all good it happens


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:32:49


Post by: DraconicGuardian


Anyone got anything on what the Tantalus is going to DO? I mean from the description, it sounds like Scythevanes are going to make it for running over troops and slicing them up...maybe tanks too. Giant Lawnmower? With guns?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:40:15


Post by: The_Stormrider


They will be mine... oh yes... they will be mine.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:48:30


Post by: TrollPie


Please tell me that Proteus is a photoshop. Please.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:54:12


Post by: DeffDred


I thought GW redesigned the LR for a reason. So that we could all forget the horribly ugly RT ones. Thanks FW for wasting time making stupid piles of resin like that as opposed to, oh I don't know, making something worth buying. I don't understand why anyone would be excited for this. I'd imagine that if anyone wanted one of those stupid tanks they would have bought them years ago, you know, before they costed a small fortune. Bet my frined will make some cash as he still has about 10 of those old LR boxes that he never opened.

The DE thing is cool looking. I think all the new DE stuff looks great. I could never play them however, as I hate any and all things elves.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 18:57:29


Post by: kitch102


Loving the look of the tantalus, but I can't myself buying one at that price. Very interested to see the rules and a close up of the model though to be honest... I can't see why the DE would need a non-space fairing vehicle to be so big, kind of defeates the object of them being sleek and hard to hit.

Anyway, here's a link to the FW site that shows all of the models they'll have available for sale at Games Day http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Games_Day_UK_2011.html

My personal favourite, Lietpold the Black:

[Thumb - lietpold2.jpg]


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 21:21:02


Post by: sum1thtdiesalot


DraconicGuardian wrote:Anyone got anything on what the Tantalus is going to DO? I mean from the description, it sounds like Scythevanes are going to make it for running over troops and slicing them up...maybe tanks too. Giant Lawnmower? With guns?


I figured its kinda like the Dark Eldar Caestus Ram. Its for flying over vehicles and then getting out to assault whatever comes out


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 21:43:44


Post by: Alpharius


TrollPie wrote:Please tell me that Proteus is a photoshop. Please.


Er...why?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/18 21:48:22


Post by: nectarprime


DeffDred wrote:I thought GW redesigned the LR for a reason. So that we could all forget the horribly ugly RT ones. Thanks FW for wasting time making stupid piles of resin like that as opposed to, oh I don't know, making something worth buying. I don't understand why anyone would be excited for this. I'd imagine that if anyone wanted one of those stupid tanks they would have bought them years ago, you know, before they costed a small fortune. Bet my frined will make some cash as he still has about 10 of those old LR boxes that he never opened.

The DE thing is cool looking. I think all the new DE stuff looks great. I could never play them however, as I hate any and all things elves.


If your friend really does have a bunch of old Landraiders, send me a PM. Sersiously, I want one.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 02:28:50


Post by: SonicPara


nectarprime wrote:If your friend really does have a bunch of old Landraiders, send me a PM. Sersiously, I want one.


Ditto. I would love some old Land Raiders for my RP groups' Deathwatch campaign.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 06:16:01


Post by: DraconicGuardian


sum1thtdiesalot wrote:I figured its kinda like the Dark Eldar Caestus Ram. Its for flying over vehicles and then getting out to assault whatever comes out


That would be pretty sweet. The description does seem to lend itself to being able to take out vehicles somehow...would be interesting to have something that is both effective at that and able to carry troops as well!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 06:22:26


Post by: Agamemnon2


DeffDred wrote:I thought GW redesigned the LR for a reason. So that we could all forget the horribly ugly RT ones. Thanks FW for wasting time making stupid piles of resin like that as opposed to, oh I don't know, making something worth buying.


It's nice to see a man so confident in his opinions that he is willing to take his personal preferences as universal truth.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 09:44:25


Post by: kitch102


I can't disagree with him though, why make another land raider when there are so many gaps in other peoples codex's?

Not intending to start a debate on that point, as it'll just descend in to GW bashing / wish list creating off topic nonsense, but imho the models butt ugly, & doesn't make sense (check out the blind spots! All you'd have to do to take one out is sneak up on the sides where the driver can't see you and plant a bomb on the tracks). The newer, sleeker LR looks much more ornate, which made more sense to me given that they represented a tank version of terminator armour (rare, and damned good).

Just my opinion.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 10:20:53


Post by: warboss


kitch102 wrote:I can't disagree with him though, why make another land raider when there are so many gaps in other peoples codex's?


Because filling in missing codex models has never ever been Forgeworld's stated goal... They make models at a premium price (even compared to plastic and now GW resin prices) that are niche pieces in their branded hobby generally dependent on whatever supplement they're working on and based on what will sell. As for the other comments about a LR's blind spots, let's not put reality into the discussion of GW models. Forty thousand years in the future, I expect that "modern" soldiers will operate via VR and shoot gigawatt lasers from their eyes (or set off megaton explosions with their minds), not swing at each other with implements designed to cut down trees in the 1900's and ride around in interwar WW1 and WW2 tech tanks like the Leman Russ. An LR with blind spots fits in perfectly with the rest of the universe that doesn't make sense yet looks/feels/plays cool.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 10:30:10


Post by: aka_mythos


In the few instances where FW has "filled in" something missing from a codex it was mostly items FW already made or were in the process of making and GW was simply adding it to the codex. The only thing out side of that is the Techmarine with a conversion beamer, but he's technically a special character from their campaign.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 10:39:31


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Speaking of that Tech-Marine, do we know if his shoulder pads are separate? I know that the Red Scorpion Librarian's shoulder pads were, meaning you could make him any Chapter you wanted (I made him into a Deathwatch Marine), so I'd hope this guy has separate shoulder pads as well. You can make pretty much anything out of him if they are.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 12:30:29


Post by: midget_overlord


H.B.M.C. wrote:Speaking of that Tech-Marine, do we know if his shoulder pads are separate?


http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=118259&d=1316205227

I'd buy the librarian myself, but I'm afraid I might start a red scorpion army because of the honor guard.

I'm weak like that.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 16:12:33


Post by: TrollPie


Alpharius wrote:
TrollPie wrote:Please tell me that Proteus is a photoshop. Please.


Er...why?

I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 16:13:55


Post by: Platuan4th


TrollPie wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
TrollPie wrote:Please tell me that Proteus is a photoshop. Please.


Er...why?

I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?


The same thing as when GW did it the first time in the 80's?



Incidentally, it's incredibly hard to find a picture of one NOT converted.

Also, here's hoping FW does an updated Spartan!



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 19:38:04


Post by: aka_mythos


TrollPie wrote:I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
I'm not sure what you mean by twice the size of the body... but the designers were probably thinking: "Hey look at all these people trying to track down the old model and paying sooooo much for it. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of their money?" The Proteus is the greatest thing for Pre-heresy builders and players. When all is said and done GW will have sold many more Proteus tanks than Tantalus flyers... so they're obviously doing something to please their customers, even if you aren't one of them.

For me I love the Proteus... I've been dying to include a Land Raider in my Chaos SM army, but one of my goals with that army was to distinguish my vehicles from the loyalist vehicles without resorting to hull mutations or infestation or runes to get the point across, since I play an undivided army. For me I hate the aesthetic of Chaos being Imperial plus spikes... I want a different aspect defining the aesthetic distinction. I chose "age"... I use alot Chapterhouse's mk1 rhino-addons for my vehicles and lot of weathering and wear and tear. In that way a Proteus suits me very well... as it does for like-minded chaos and pre-heresy players.

I get it, you don't like the look. Its design is actually more practical in a number of ways than the modern Land Raider design, which many people have just as many problems with. This is the nice thing about a hobby that promotes converting... if you want a land raider that looks different from either design, make it.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 19:43:29


Post by: Alpharius


Platuan4th wrote:

Also, here's hoping FW does an updated Spartan!



GOOD call there!

I hope FW does that too!

Though I suppose it would just be a Crusader without the extra guns?

But then maybe we could equip it will some of the cooler options from the Contemptor?!?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 19:49:16


Post by: Platuan4th


Alpharius wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

Also, here's hoping FW does an updated Spartan!



GOOD call there!

I hope FW does that too!

Though I suppose it would just be a Crusader without the extra guns?

But then maybe we could equip it will some of the cooler options from the Contemptor?!?


Most likely. I highly doubt any updated rules for it would include the old "Poops out Terminators as it moves" ability.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 20:28:15


Post by: Alpharius


Platuan4th wrote:

Most likely. I highly doubt any updated rules for it would include the old "Poops out Terminators as it moves" ability.


Though obviously it should!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 22:57:24


Post by: Anung Un Rama


As someone who started playing 40k "only" about 10 or 12 years ago, I think the Land Raider looks pretty ridicoulus.
I get why H.B.M.C. is so happy about it. He's old, the model's old, they're both old and fit together perfectly.

Even though I'm only 24 I am no stranger to Nostalgia, though in my case it's geared more towards old movies and videogames. But this model just doesn't fit with the current asthetic of 40k. Retro Marines are one thing. But this thing looks almost as bad as the 3rd edition Ork bikes. I'll pass and I hope everyone in my gaming group will do so as well.

The Dark Eldar skimmer is a real beauty though.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 23:03:21


Post by: plastictrees


Personally I'm looking forward to their inevitable take on the hover tank made out of a deodorant stick.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 23:22:39


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


Alpharius wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

Also, here's hoping FW does an updated Spartan!



GOOD call there!

I hope FW does that too!

Though I suppose it would just be a Crusader without the extra guns?

But then maybe we could equip it will some of the cooler options from the Contemptor?!?

i'm guessing if they do the Spartan it'll have the ability to transport 10 terminators or 20 regular guys. Also H.M.B.C, the shoulder pads are separate on the master of the forge


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/19 23:23:35


Post by: aka_mythos


Alpharius wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

Also, here's hoping FW does an updated Spartan!



GOOD call there!

I hope FW does that too!

Though I suppose it would just be a Crusader without the extra guns?
...
This Proteus is suppose to be faster... so a spartan would presumably be a faster crusader without the gun.


Alpharius wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:

Most likely. I highly doubt any updated rules for it would include the old "Poops out Terminators as it moves" ability.


Though obviously it should!
The Proteus obviously is missing the assault ramp... and the "pooping" of terminators would reasonably give it back those rules.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 00:10:59


Post by: Worglock


I kinda want the Tantalus for my Dark Eldar.

BATTLE BARGE RUSH GO!!!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 00:21:16


Post by: Ogryn


Tantalus looks amazing.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 00:31:57


Post by: H.B.M.C.


TyraelVladinhurst wrote:Also H.M.B.C, the shoulder pads are separate on the master of the forge


Yes, I saw the pics someone linked to above. Makes me very happy because:

1. It means I don’t have to have an Astral Claws Tech-Marine, he can be whatever Chapter I want.
2. I can use the Astral Claw pads to make Deathwatch Marines (the Deathwatch RPG is set before the Badab Uprising, so it fits!).


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 08:16:50


Post by: Tehmonarch


You guys have realised that FW are doing a whole range of old style space marine stuff right??? thus the reason for the old land raider.
And besides how can you truly hate FW for some models they release. In all honesty they are a company that doesnt need to exist but they do and make awesome models.

Personally i cant wait for the new IA books. mainly the apoc one for all the new vehicles.(man i want me one of those new IG launchers)


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 11:54:03


Post by: Heliodore


Haha, I was wondering if the Spartan would come up. I bet that a retro MkI Rhino could be in the works at FW. If so, anyone willing to buy both kits could possibly convert up a retro Spartan, which would be in line with the original spirit of the old WD article where you are meant to buy both vehicle kits in order to make two entirely new vehicles. A retro Sabre Tank Hunter, now there's a thought!


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 12:49:22


Post by: mwnciboo


Wow, just wow, I cannot get over it.....The models are quite nice too!

I've heard of "Plastic Crack" but that's just poor mans product, "Resin Crack" is for the true connoisseure . My wallet is wailing and haemoaging as my eyes are looking at this. Too, Damn Expensive.....

Do you think FW will do an Old School Terminator line, with slimmed down frames old style Storm Bolters?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 13:12:45


Post by: ShumaGorath


aka_mythos wrote:
TrollPie wrote:I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
I'm not sure what you mean by twice the size of the body... but the designers were probably thinking: "Hey look at all these people trying to track down the old model and paying sooooo much for it. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of their money?" The Proteus is the greatest thing for Pre-heresy builders and players. When all is said and done GW will have sold many more Proteus tanks than Tantalus flyers... so they're obviously doing something to please their customers, even if you aren't one of them.

For me I love the Proteus... I've been dying to include a Land Raider in my Chaos SM army, but one of my goals with that army was to distinguish my vehicles from the loyalist vehicles without resorting to hull mutations or infestation or runes to get the point across, since I play an undivided army. For me I hate the aesthetic of Chaos being Imperial plus spikes... I want a different aspect defining the aesthetic distinction. I chose "age"... I use alot Chapterhouse's mk1 rhino-addons for my vehicles and lot of weathering and wear and tear. In that way a Proteus suits me very well... as it does for like-minded chaos and pre-heresy players.

I get it, you don't like the look. Its design is actually more practical in a number of ways than the modern Land Raider design, which many people have just as many problems with. This is the nice thing about a hobby that promotes converting... if you want a land raider that looks different from either design, make it.


In fairness to everyone both designs are utterly unrealistic and void of design logic. The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 13:17:39


Post by: Platuan4th


ShumaGorath wrote: The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Then again, I DO also collect toys...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 13:20:33


Post by: brettz123


kitch102 wrote:I can't disagree with him though, why make another land raider when there are so many gaps in other peoples codex's?

Not intending to start a debate on that point, as it'll just descend in to GW bashing / wish list creating off topic nonsense, but imho the models butt ugly, & doesn't make sense (check out the blind spots! All you'd have to do to take one out is sneak up on the sides where the driver can't see you and plant a bomb on the tracks). The newer, sleeker LR looks much more ornate, which made more sense to me given that they represented a tank version of terminator armour (rare, and damned good).

Just my opinion.


You obviously have never been in a real tank. The driver can only see in front of him. So tank have gigantic blind spots and have always been susceptible to infantry that get close..... that is usually why you try to operate a tank in combined arms formations with infantry for support.

Anyway back on topic not really sure I like the model all that much either. I like retro but I think there should be some recognition that some of the retro stuff was and still is pretty crappy looking.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 13:21:13


Post by: ShumaGorath


Platuan4th wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote: The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.


You say that like it's a bad thing.

Then again, I DO also collect toys...


I don't think it fits well in the ethos of current 40k. It fit when orks were tiny and on tracktrikes and tyranids had giant buckteeth, but it's out of time now.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 13:49:53


Post by: nectarprime


ShumaGorath wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:
TrollPie wrote:I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
I'm not sure what you mean by twice the size of the body... but the designers were probably thinking: "Hey look at all these people trying to track down the old model and paying sooooo much for it. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of their money?" The Proteus is the greatest thing for Pre-heresy builders and players. When all is said and done GW will have sold many more Proteus tanks than Tantalus flyers... so they're obviously doing something to please their customers, even if you aren't one of them.

For me I love the Proteus... I've been dying to include a Land Raider in my Chaos SM army, but one of my goals with that army was to distinguish my vehicles from the loyalist vehicles without resorting to hull mutations or infestation or runes to get the point across, since I play an undivided army. For me I hate the aesthetic of Chaos being Imperial plus spikes... I want a different aspect defining the aesthetic distinction. I chose "age"... I use alot Chapterhouse's mk1 rhino-addons for my vehicles and lot of weathering and wear and tear. In that way a Proteus suits me very well... as it does for like-minded chaos and pre-heresy players.

I get it, you don't like the look. Its design is actually more practical in a number of ways than the modern Land Raider design, which many people have just as many problems with. This is the nice thing about a hobby that promotes converting... if you want a land raider that looks different from either design, make it.


In fairness to everyone both designs are utterly unrealistic and void of design logic. The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.


This is 40k we're talking about, isn't it? The vehicles have always looked like goofy boxes.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 14:19:35


Post by: The Night Stalker


Oh lordy that landraider, must have one.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 14:31:47


Post by: supremeoverlordVECT


must have the tantalus...as i am a big DE fan..


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 14:38:46


Post by: Samus_aran115


hate the catamaran, but LOVE LOVE LOVE the proteus. Hope that aquila comes off. It shall make a fine addition to my word bearers army.

I'm praying for Mk1 Rhinos. Sure, you can still get them all over the place, but a new casting would be much better

126 dollars! Holy Father son and the Holy Ghost! That's a bit much.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 15:04:07


Post by: aka_mythos


ShumaGorath wrote:I don't think it fits well in the ethos of current 40k.
What would that be?

ShumaGorath wrote:In fairness to everyone both designs are utterly unrealistic and void of design logic. The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.
I don't think you should play 40k... you obviously don't like it.

Before I was saying this version is in some ways more practical, that doesn't necessarily mean it makes a whole lot of sense. It has more ground clearance than the more recently released GW tank kits. Why bother with the excess weight of running tracks up and around, instead of a lower profile?-I think its easy to justify that it has the shape it does because it was decided it needed to have more than a single entry point for the vehicle. All this doesn't matter, because this is a game and it is a toy.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 15:32:15


Post by: ShumaGorath


What would that be?


World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).

I don't think you should play 40k... you obviously don't like it.


Tell me about it.



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 15:52:58


Post by: DraconicGuardian


Samus_aran115 wrote:hate the catamaran, but LOVE LOVE LOVE the proteus.


....You're a looney.....


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 15:54:08


Post by: Bloodwin


ShumaGorath wrote:
What would that be?


World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).


I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 15:59:43


Post by: Lone Cat


Gorlak wrote:via Beasts of War...


Forge World are (confirmed available at GDUK2011 by Forge World) going to have a couple of new 40k kits out for Gamesday UK:



Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!



At last! 1st Edition Land Raider!!! Meowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww~


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 16:00:06


Post by: Lycaeus Wrex


Eurgh, I dislike all the old vehicle designs and this Land Raider is a prime example as to why. What an atrocious looking piece of kit.

The Dark Eldar skimmer is luverly though.

L. Wrex



Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 16:27:44


Post by: ShumaGorath


Bloodwin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
What would that be?


World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).


I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.


Certainly true. A lot of people are just kind of miffed that they ignore gaps in the GW model or fluff lines in favor of more redesigns of models that people in majority did and do still find ugly or silly.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 16:29:44


Post by: Kanluwen


Bloodwin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
What would that be?


World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).


I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.

This has not been what they've done prior to the Badab War book release.

Prior to that, they were very vehemently saying they had "no plans" to do Heresy era stuff. They've clearly changed their minds though, as it seems to be a big hit for them.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 16:45:12


Post by: Bloodwin


ShumaGorath wrote:
Bloodwin wrote:I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.


Certainly true. A lot of people are just kind of miffed that they ignore gaps in the GW model or fluff lines in favor of more redesigns of models that people in majority did and do still find ugly or silly.


I think that the GW, Citadel and Forgeworld model link should be clearer. I don't think that FW should fill in gaps for Citadel and I don't think that GW should release troop choices in army books if they aren't going to come out within six months. I realise that FW's growth has been organic and you can't aways keep those lines clear but I much prefer the newer WH forge way of doing stuff for their own books based on the GW games and their IPs. There shouldn't be any question of "I wish FW could do the Thunderwolves". Citadel should have released them by now. But they havent and it sticks another nail in the coffin for jumping on a new army because it's a gamble if it is going to be completed. That in turn makes designers look poor because we aren't seeing the army they designed as a whole because the models aren't easily available. Why should I need to go to Maelstrom to fill a gap in my beastmen army?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 17:55:37


Post by: aka_mythos


ShumaGorath wrote:
Certainly true. A lot of people are just kind of miffed that they ignore gaps in the GW model or fluff lines in favor of more redesigns of models that people in majority did and do still find ugly or silly.
It isn't FW's mission to make stop gap model kits to fill voids left by GW. When they have its been more a matter of whimsy on their part. GW actively stops them from making kits that fill codex voids... when FW wants to GW has to "ok" it. This often requires FW to take circuitous routes to make certain basic things. For example the only way they did a conversion beamer techmarine was by having him as a special character. Most everything else existed in some form prior to GW allowing it into the respective codex.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 19:06:04


Post by: Alpharius


Kanluwen wrote:
Bloodwin wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:
What would that be?


World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).


I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.

This has not been what they've done prior to the Badab War book release.

Prior to that, they were very vehemently saying they had "no plans" to do Heresy era stuff. They've clearly changed their minds though, as it seems to be a big hit for them.


Which was the biggest no-brainer in the history of Forge World, really...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 19:24:51


Post by: Chaos Corner 7


As a DE player, that Tantalus is looking really sexy. However, it's just too darn costly to be worth it. I know, I know... It's Forgeworld, so what do I expect? I just can't justify it for the price is all...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 19:39:09


Post by: SonicPara


Chaos Corner 7 wrote:As a DE player, that Tantalus is looking really sexy. However, it's just too darn costly to be worth it. I know, I know... It's Forgeworld, so what do I expect? I just can't justify it for the price is all...


It is pricey but I really need to see the rules before deciding one way or another. If it ends up being a fancy Super-Heavy with some fun tricks then its value starts to rise in my mind and $125 doesn't seem too bad anymore; it also seems pretty darn big seeing as how that picture has it mounted on a Valkyrie base.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/20 19:52:26


Post by: sirrah


I extremely want the MK.1 LR. I was pretty aghast at the price at first, but then I remembered I had the misfortune of living in Australia, where I can walk into a GW and pick up the standard LR for $110. $10 + shipping more isn't all that bad for such a nice model

no accounting for taste, I guess, but I've always thought the current LR was absolutely hideous.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/21 08:37:42


Post by: mwnciboo


Look it's simple, FW is doing WH30K and guess what? Its popular! To us RT era guys it does bring back memories from our youth, and plus a Pre-Heresy Army is cool (and Probably been stoked up by the "Images of the Heresy Book" GW released a few years back.)


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/21 10:00:00


Post by: master of ordinance


]sees Promethus[

TREADHEADGASM

I....LOVE....THAT.....TANK.......


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/22 05:27:44


Post by: skywise07


Gorlak wrote:via Beasts of War...


Forge World are (confirmed available at GDUK2011 by Forge World) going to have a couple of new 40k kits out for Gamesday UK:

Dark Eldar Tantalus



and....



Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!



That Land Raider is UGLY. I am surprised some of you folks are so gaga for it.

The stock GW plastic kit Land Raider blows it away.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/22 08:24:21


Post by: master of ordinance


skywise07 wrote:
Gorlak wrote:via Beasts of War...


Forge World are (confirmed available at GDUK2011 by Forge World) going to have a couple of new 40k kits out for Gamesday UK:

Dark Eldar Tantalus



and....



Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!



That Land Raider is UGLY. I am surprised some of you folks are so gaga for it.

The stock GW plastic kit Land Raider blows it away.


HERESY!!!

By the power invested in me by the God emperor of mankind and by the Holy Ordos i find thee to be a heretic and sentence you to death.
]sound of bolt pistol shot[


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/22 08:43:12


Post by: The Decapitator


I don't particularly like the MK1 LR, and would go with the current one any day of the week.

However, I understand it's place and purpose. You can't actually compare these 2 kits at all, despite them being the same thing near enough. They belong in completely different eras fluff wise and in real life, Forge World hasn't released it to contend with the current kit. It's been made as a nod to, and as a way of helping many people complete their own Pre-heresy armies which GW as a whole have found out is actually a really popular subject.

Although they are both Land Raiders, they serve a completely different purpose to each other and if I was thinking about a Pre-heresy army then of be on it.

On other news, that Tantalus is epic! Rules for the mahooosive Disintegrator Cannons anybody?!?


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/22 14:28:07


Post by: Samus_aran115


DraconicGuardian wrote:
Samus_aran115 wrote:hate the catamaran, but LOVE LOVE LOVE the proteus.


....You're a looney.....


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, no need to be nasty.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 01:12:24


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


mark 1 rhino is coming according to the latest news letter


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 01:16:28


Post by: CT GAMER


TyraelVladinhurst wrote:mark 1 rhino is coming according to the latest news letter


It looks really cool, especially the revamped exhausts...


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 02:56:48


Post by: The Plastic Surgeon


This is worthless without pics

So here it is.



I really love this kit! Actually just love the front armour and the side 'extra' armour but not the old skool hatches. Not sure about the exhausts.

Hmm might get one to chop up


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 02:58:51


Post by: Platuan4th


Not too into the Rhino kit, but that may be down to owning like 20 of the real thing already.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 03:08:57


Post by: TyraelVladinhurst


Platuan4th wrote:Not too into the Rhino kit, but that may be down to owning like 20 of the real thing already.

lol, but the original is the mark 1B. this is the C


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 03:16:57


Post by: Chapterhouse


TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Platuan4th wrote:Not too into the Rhino kit, but that may be down to owning like 20 of the real thing already.

lol, but the original is the mark 1B. this is the C


Wonder if the C stands for Chapterhouse


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 03:59:47


Post by: DraconicGuardian


Samus_aran115 wrote:
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, no need to be nasty.


Sorry. That was meant more tongue in cheek than with any real malice behind it.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 04:00:22


Post by: BrotherKarr


Nevermind. This was covered in another thread.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/23 08:36:49


Post by: Anung Un Rama


Well, the new old Rhino looks a lot better than the new old Land Raider imo.
It has the flair of the old model, but doesn't look terrible compared to the new one.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/27 09:13:37


Post by: cadbren


The rhino is missing the wire mesh vent covers and the handrail as well as the suitcase handles on the rear hatch. Like the land raider though.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/27 16:46:16


Post by: Death By Monkeys


On one of the pics of the FW slides from Games Day, I noticed that one of the new Mk 1c Rhinos did, indeed, have the handrails.


Forge World Preview New Vehicles @ 2011/09/27 17:20:43


Post by: Slipstream


I'm amazed at the level of dislike for the Land Raider, shame on you all! Yes I'm one of the old so and sos who rushed out and bought the boxed set of two way way back in time. They still turn out for my army to this day and no-one bats an eyelid! If I could afford it I'd buy it but the price tag is well beyond sanity! If you want to hate something hate that rhino! Now that is ugly... (Humor)