ShumaGorath wrote:Oh Christ, the mid 90's RC car is back. Are the proportions better now at least?
With a vengeance baby, yeah! It looks better proportioned and that Tantalus looks sexy - it's like the Dark Eldar are doing a Gillette - now with four blades! I'm still waiting for a razor to come out with 10 blades that's nuclear powered.
Very interesting... I wonder how they'll fit this new-but-old variant into the fluff... We've already got a preheresy LR in the MkIIB so I'm guessing this one will have a MkI monniker. Will it be a newly uncovered STC variant that is a prototype or an even more advanced model ala the contemptor? I'm also curious to see the size of the tank as the old RTLR is shorter but taller than current LRs.
Wow, that really brings back memories - when GW only did 3 plastic vehicle kits, and every Imperial army had Land Raiders (which came in boxes of two). I like how they've stuck closely to the original, but subtly modified the details, like the track plates (there are more of them and theyr'e smaller). It looks a bit longer than the original too. I'd be very tempted to get one, despite the hefty price tag. Wouldn't really know what to do with it though.
What next - FW versions of the original beakie Marines?
Under a rock, obviously. If I knew about those, I'd forgotten.
According to the FW newsletter, the Proteus is the precursor to the Phobos. It is 'bulkier and faster' as well, and used as a 'forward assault vehicle' (that presumably means it's part of the assault before the real assault).
Tailgunner wrote:
According to the FW newsletter, the Proteus is the precursor to the Phobos. It is 'bulkier and faster' as well, and used as a 'forward assault vehicle' (that presumably means it's part of the assault before the real assault).
Since it doesn't have Assault Ramps, it may act as a fast moving Land Raider to counter balance things. It may also be cheaper in points compared the to the standard LR.
To be honest, it doesn't matter what the rules will be, we're all gonna want one of these!
I was pretty stoked on the Land Raider until I realized it's $126 and requires conversion to be used in normal games (does not appear to have heavy bolters).
nectarprime wrote:I was pretty stoked on the Land Raider until I realized it's $126 and requires conversion to be used in normal games (does not appear to have heavy bolters).
It only requires conversion if your group doesn't allow FW.
Tailgunner wrote:Since it doesn't have Assault Ramps...
I dunno about that, half way up the front at the side there is what looks like a pivot point. I can see the front panel folding over the rams in a drawbridge kinda fashion?
poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.
Yes.
Yes they will !
nectarprime wrote:I was pretty stoked on the Land Raider until I realized it's $126 and requires conversion to be used in normal games (does not appear to have heavy bolters).
I don't think they're going to sell all that many, for all of the reasons nectarprime noted...
warboss wrote:......... I'm also curious to see the size of the tank as the old RTLR is shorter but taller than current LRs.
If you take the raised profile which has the same shape at the current LR model as the same dimensions I can see it being an inch or so higher and an inch longer.
I look forward to some pictures of it next to some beakies.
I dunno about that, half way up the front at the side there is what looks like a pivot point.
I can see the front panel folding over the rams in a drawbridge kinda fashion?
Panic...
The original had something like that too with a wierd series of circular beams on rails under an armor plate. The new one looks even more like a wheelchair lift on a bus so I suspect the assault ramp won't be a problem. As for converting a twin heavy bolter, I think that should be pretty darn easy to put on up on the multimelta cupola mounting.
This new version does appear to have the overall shape and size does seem to match the current LR instead of the original's.
notprop wrote:And as if by magic HBMC appears giddy as a school girl.
Sorry, I'll add a little dose of negativity to balance it out:
Hey all you Forge World fans heading to Games Day Oz. Looking forward to buying a bunch of FW stuff direct rather than ordering it? Well get ready for the extra special GDOZ price increases! That's right, as a direct 'screw you' to all the Aussie fans (as if we hadn't taken it up the back passage enough this year), all FW items at the show will be more expensive than their listed price on the FW website. It's like they've gone and included the shipping already... even though you're not having it shipped to you... and in fact paid $75 for a ticket to stand in line to be charged more for shipping you're not getting.
Being an Aussie 40K player is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about some classic wave serpents, FW? I keed. Seriously, as much as I love the old LRfor its time and place, I cannot see spending FW prices for old timey stuff.
Manchu wrote:How about some classic wave serpents, FW? I keed. Seriously, as much as I love the old LRfor its time and place, I cannot see spending FW prices for old timey stuff.
Well if you're able to find the old kit, or even the assembled model, it will be at least $100 from what I have seen. For a few bucks more you get a newer sculpt and resin casting.
The price is bad honestly.... but that does not mean that I won't pick one up.
I would not buy an old LR for $100 whether used or new. I like them a lot but it's just way, way too much -- for me to pay, of course. Zei gesunt to everyone in the throws of nostalgia.
So is the dark eldar tantalus a limited edition model? It says in the email it will be available in limited numbers at gamesday UK. Does that mean i have to get someone to buy one for me there or will they be a production model at a later date?
sum1thtdiesalot wrote:So is the dark eldar tantalus a limited edition model? It says in the email it will be available in limited numbers at gamesday UK. Does that mean i have to get someone to buy one for me there or will they be a production model at a later date?
It means that they will have a limited amount of them available at GDUK.
They do not do large kits like the Tantalus as "event only". They are just going to be available prior to the release there, in limited quantities.
sum1thtdiesalot wrote:So is the dark eldar tantalus a limited edition model? It says in the email it will be available in limited numbers at gamesday UK. Does that mean i have to get someone to buy one for me there or will they be a production model at a later date?
It's a production model that's going to have limited preview purchase quantities as GDUK.
Whew.. thanks guys. I was really worried about paying $134 for a limited edition model that I wouldn't even get to use very much. Im getting a feeling that the tantalus will be like a dark eldar Caestus assault ram though, anyone else get that impression?
I like the Dark Eldar Tantalus (not that I use Dark Eldar) but a MK1 Land Raider for £80? What is the point? You can pick these up on e-bay for around half that price! They'd have spent there time better doing something new. Having said that I think it looks a bit better than the original (which I still have two of), but I'm afraid it's too expensive to tempt me.
Glad I sold my older land raider a few months ago, with this kit out anybody wanting to build hersey era armies will be placated. I still prefer the bloodandskullsindustries version over this any day.
I'm glad they redid a 20 year old shoebox instead of producing a tervigon or mycetic spore. Apparently there are more millionaire space marine players then tyranid players of any trax bracket.
And heaven forbid they should come up with a nice new Chaos LR varient. Instead lets wheel out YET ANOTHER loyalist LR pattern. Whats that, 8 or 9 now?
DE ship, fantastic! A great combo of sleek, spikey goodness, with a bit of power thrown in the mix. The LR, seems like they stuck a little too close to the original GW design and did not add enough 'new' detail to it. Nonetheless, I can see this being a fairly good seller despite its overpricing, I need more pics to make my mind up about it tbh.
ShumaGorath wrote:I'm glad they redid a 20 year old shoebox instead of producing a tervigon or mycetic spore. Apparently there are more millionaire space marine players then tyranid players of any trax bracket.
Statistically the odds of there being millionaire space marine players is high just by virtue of the space marine fan base being that much larger. Over 60% of GW's fanbase are Space Marines players. Considering the world population and the number of millionaires in the world 1/200 people playing 40k are millionaires or in the household of a millionaire; GW's demographic focus on affluent parts of the world only heightens that likely hood.
Instead of being happy that FW decided to release the Dark Eldar Tantalus making this more than just marines... there is cup half empty and there is cup half full... and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.
So at $126 US... I don't understand the point. People can say they will purchase it for memories of the 90's. Isn't $126 roughtly the cost for GW Landraiders at present? I'd rather have 2 landraiders vs 1.
I still remember the tan Beakies, and the 2 Land Raiders in 1 kit. I was insanely jealous as I struggled to build and carry around my all Metal Eldar army. Also the original Space Orks and Squats.
Here the complete newsletter (please update the title of this thread:
Hi there,
In this week’s newsletter we can announce two more Games Day UK exclusive pre-release items that will be on sale in limited numbers, well in advance of their scheduled release date…
Dark Eldar Tantalus
First crafted, so it is said, for the Archon Surasis Grief of the Kabal of the Dark Mirror, the Dark Eldar Tantalus is an assault skimmer, somewhat larger and more complex in design than the Raider, and accordingly better armed. Its distinctive twin-hulled design houses powerful engine-reactors slaved to enhanced drives and its unique scythevane armament.
One of the largest Dark Eldar vehicles yet encountered by the Imperial war machine, the cruel reavers who crew this sleek engine of destruction take delight in mounting high-speed attacks, slicing through the hulls of enemy vehicles and rending infantry into crimson shreds, heralded by the screech of the molecular dissonance fields of its scythevanes and the rapid fire of its pulse-disintegrator armament.
The Tantelus, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a detailed full resin kit that includes a set of etched brass deck panels. Measuring nearly 11” from prow to stern, this twin-hulled vehicle is a great addition to any Dark Eldar army. With its full rules contained within the forthcoming Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition, the Tantalus will be available in limited numbers from the Forge World Sales stand at Games Day UK, priced £85.
Land Raider Proteus
The Land Raider is perhaps the most iconic of all Imperial armoured vehicles. Its distinctive silhouette is recognisable to foe and ally alike, announcing the indomitable presence of the Adeptus Astartes, the heroic and super-human Space Marines. Many patterns and designs of this honoured and ancient war machine exist across the myriad worlds of the Imperium, and among the oldest of such designs is the Land Raider Proteus.
Mechanicus tech-savants believe that the Land Raider Proteus is a precursor to the Phobos pattern vehicle now found amongst the armouriums of the Adeptus Astartes. Bulkier and faster than the Phobos, ancient and forgotten data-looms describe the Proteus as a forward assault vehicle, commonly fielded in Explorator missions during the dawning days of Mankind’s fledgling galactic empire.
This full resin kit, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is packed with some amazing details and two different hull-mounted weapon options to supplement its twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons. Available for the first time in limited numbers at Games Day UK, the Land Raider Proteus is priced at £80.
Games Day UK Seminars and Reservations
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Sadly we can no longer accept reservations for Games Day. Reservations this year will not be held at the Forge World sales stand but will have their own area next to the recruitment stand in the main foyer.
Games Day Italy Reservations Now Being Taken
With Games Day Italy, at the Forum Guido Monzani in Modena on 16th October, rapidly approaching, we are now accepting reservation orders for this event. This is the best way of ensuring that we will have exactly the models you’re looking for, packed up and waiting for you to pay for on the day.
To place a reservation order, please send an e-mail entitled ‘Games Day Italy Reservation’ to fwreservations@games-workshop.co.uk, making sure to provide your full name and a list of the items you’d like to reserve. You can also phone the Forge World Customer Service team on 0011 44 115 916 8177.
You can place a reservation for anything currently available from the online store, as well as our Event Only MkIII Boarding Space Marine and Chaos Dwarf Hellsmith figures and the models in this newsflash. We will provide a confirmation e-mail before the event that will contain your order number and a total cost in Euros, payable upon collection.
The cut-off date for Games Day Italy reservation orders is 3rd October, so make sure your e-mail reaches us before this date.
Games Day Australia Update
A huge selection of the Warhammer Forge and Forge World ranges will be available from the Forge World stand at Games Day Australia, which will be held on 1st October at the Australian Technology Park, Redfern, NSW. Both our 2011 Event Only MkIII Boarding Space Marine and Chaos Dwarf Hellsmith models will be on sale, and to mark the return of Games Day Australia, we’re also offering an exclusive last chance to buy some of our previous Event Only models as well.
If you have placed a reservation for Games Day Australia, you’ll soon be receiving a confirmation e-mail with your order number, details of any items we’ve been unable to reserve, and a total cost in AU$ payable on the day.
Please contact GW Australia Customer Service for full details of pricing at the event, or download a pdf copy of our updated 2011 Forge World catalogue and brand new Warhammer Forge catalogue.
Wow, I can't believe people are so interested in that landraider. I played in the '90s, and that's still before my time. I guess if it wasn't I'd have nostalgia... maybe?
I remember loving beakie marines, but never, Ever craving that old landraider.
And for 80 pounds, I can't believe how many folks are interested! Different strokes, I guess...
Now that DE vehicle is a whole different matter . Awesome!
RiTides wrote:Wow, I can't believe people are so interested in that landraider. I played in the '90s, and that's still before my time. I guess if it wasn't I'd have nostalgia... maybe?
I remember loving beakie marines, but never, Ever craving that old landraider.
And for 80 pounds, I can't believe how many folks are interested! Different strokes, I guess...
Now that DE vehicle is a whole different matter . Awesome!
I was ecstatic when they came out with a new version of the land raider back in 3rd edition and was surprised too to see that the old RT ones routinely go for more on ebay than the newer style ones in better condition. What interests me the most in that press release is that they're calling the Proteus "faster" than the current LR. I'm curious to see if it'll end up a fast vehicle...
poipo32 wrote:They are going to sell so many of these land raiders.
I'm inclined to agree. I think the b est estimate of anticipated sales is to draw the correlation
Players buying PRe-heresy FW marine armies will buy the same amount of the Proteious landradiers a rate correlating to the number of GE landraiders are generally purchased by GW Marine Army players. So if Pre heresy Marine kits sell, this new landraider will sell
I'm curious as to how exactly the rules for it will go. I have to say despite not feeling retro-nostalgic normally, I may pick one of these up so I can remind myself I once bought nearly the same thing 22 years ago for $19.00......
I think that FW knows that there are a lot of hobbiests with far more money than time.
I can't be alone in having an armies worth of stuff NIB in my closet. I know that I'm becoming more and more interested in having fewer, more expensive models just so I don't have more stuff to paint.
Way too expensive to be of interest for both of those, the Catamaran does look cool, tho. I'd never consider getting the LR - I guess I got into the game too late to feel nostalgic about that hunk of plastic.
The Landraider is a thing of beauty. I want that more than pretty much anything else in the catalogue. I guess if you don't understand the nostalgia, it's because you weren't there when it was originally released. I had two of the old ones, now just the one which I want to restore.
I thought it would be over £100. Maybe the tear in my eye is affecting my judgement, but I can see myself saving up for one of these eventually.
FW is blowing me away in the past year or 2... sure, a few misses as to be expected, but they certainly seem to be interested in giving the people what they want. Combine that with regular updates, sneak peaks and good customer service, and they have won me over. Expensive as hell though, but we can't pretend we don't know that going in lol!
@Ritides - I think there is also a certain value to be had for many in owning something rare to set them apart. Especially on hobby centric army projects, you always want to go that extra mile wherever you can... There is a certain prestige to FW items that is just as much a part of the sell as the models themselves at times I think.
Sidstyler wrote:I really like that DE skimmer but not at 85GBP. :\
FW is pretty consistent with their prices relative to the physical size of the kits... the Land Raider for example is similar in price to the Malcador tanks, which are similar in size. The tantalus, based on its base, size is about the same size as this new Land Raider but with more involved parts. This price is consistent, at which point you just have a problem with FW and it has little to do with the price of this specific model.
Wow, I'm a bit floored, the retro LR is a nice suprise! For someone who got into the hobby in the late 90s I have quite a lot of nostalga for the original model. Even though they were oop by the time I started playing, my very first LR was a second-hand MkI I got off a guy for $20, still have it! I'd love to see them side by side! Of course, I won't be buying one right away, but eventually!
Joshh wrote:Should I get the new-old Raider, the Caestus Assault Ram or the PRAETOR ARMOURED ASSAULT LAUNCHER? One of them will be bought.
Caestus Assault Ram!
aka_mythos wrote:
ShumaGorath wrote:I'm glad they redid a 20 year old shoebox instead of producing a tervigon or mycetic spore. Apparently there are more millionaire space marine players then tyranid players of any trax bracket.
Statistically the odds of there being millionaire space marine players is high just by virtue of the space marine fan base being that much larger. Over 60% of GW's fanbase are Space Marines players. Considering the world population and the number of millionaires in the world 1/200 people playing 40k are millionaires or in the household of a millionaire; GW's demographic focus on affluent parts of the world only heightens that likely hood.
Instead of being happy that FW decided to release the Dark Eldar Tantalus making this more than just marines... there is cup half empty and there is cup half full... and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.
Ooooo! Now I've just realised my odds of being a millionaire have rapidly increased - I'm buying lottery tickets today!
Platuan4th wrote:
aka_mythos wrote:and then there are those who piss in everyone's cup.
I just went on to Forgeworld's website, how long have they had the Master of the Forge with conversion beamer figure? They also have some accessories for boarding marines which I'm not that into and some more contemptor upgrades.
I'll definitely keep an eye out for that old style land raider too, and no I'm far from being a millionaire, I just don't spend all my money on beer and the like.
Ma55ter_fett wrote:$126 is a bit rich for anyone who didn't play in the 90's IMO.
$126 is a bit rich for many people, especially the kind that mock those who spend $126 on a piece of resin when your average joe goes out to get a 200 pack of beer for $126.
I think it's because at some level we rebel against the idea that the Imperium has not developed anything in the last 10,000 years. Having different armour marks and vehicle marks adds more depth to the story by giving a sense of history. That's my take on it anyway.
Fishboy wrote:I want to see that DE catamaran right next to a normal raider to get a better size comparison.
The actual newsletter Kroothawk posted says the Tantalus is about 11" long. That puts it at about twice the length of a normal Raider (depends on whether you count the ram on the front or not....difference between it being 5 or 6 inches long.). So from there, hopefully you can kinda get an idea of the size of that monster!
H.B.M.C. wrote:But the RT Land Raider was never good looking.
Doesn't make it uncool though.
I think somewhere people are forgetting warmachines aren't really designed to be sexy. If they appear sexy its because someone was stranded out in the middle of nowhere fully dependent on one for their safety and life. Sexy is in the eye of the beholder.
The DE vehicle looks awesome, but I'm not sure I like the idea of it having lascannons... Nothing else in the DE armoury (currently) has lascannons. Dark lances, void lances, haywire blasters... Sure, any of those weapons, even beefier versions of them. Maybe some weaponry similar to that of the Eldar FW stuff. But lascannons? That's too imperial for my liking...
If some Eldar player actually paid the money for one of those, and painted it in appropriate Harlequin colors, I would let them use it, and then make it the target of my wrath just for kicks! (New model syndrome is a bitch!) By the way, if GW does actually put out a Chaos Legions Codex, that thing will be on my list for sure.
It reminds me of the Epic LR's. i must say i like the new ones better. I understand it's retro, but seriously we've come a long way from this. But, kudos FW for playing to your boys!
I am basically out of the hobby (not the price gouging or other shenanigans, its just not fun to play anymore...), and I am going to have one of these LRs.
Kamsm8 wrote:The DE vehicle looks awesome, but I'm not sure I like the idea of it having lascannons... Nothing else in the DE armoury (currently) has lascannons. Dark lances, void lances, haywire blasters... Sure, any of those weapons, even beefier versions of them. Maybe some weaponry similar to that of the Eldar FW stuff. But lascannons? That's too imperial for my liking...
This full resin kit, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is packed with some amazing details and two different hull-mounted weapon options to supplement its twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons
This full resin kit, designed by Phil Stutcinskas, is packed with some amazing details and two different hull-mounted weapon options to supplement its twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons
ya i think twin-linked sponson-mounted lascannons is for the landraider.
Anyone got anything on what the Tantalus is going to DO? I mean from the description, it sounds like Scythevanes are going to make it for running over troops and slicing them up...maybe tanks too. Giant Lawnmower? With guns?
I thought GW redesigned the LR for a reason. So that we could all forget the horribly ugly RT ones. Thanks FW for wasting time making stupid piles of resin like that as opposed to, oh I don't know, making something worth buying. I don't understand why anyone would be excited for this. I'd imagine that if anyone wanted one of those stupid tanks they would have bought them years ago, you know, before they costed a small fortune. Bet my frined will make some cash as he still has about 10 of those old LR boxes that he never opened.
The DE thing is cool looking. I think all the new DE stuff looks great. I could never play them however, as I hate any and all things elves.
Loving the look of the tantalus, but I can't myself buying one at that price. Very interested to see the rules and a close up of the model though to be honest... I can't see why the DE would need a non-space fairing vehicle to be so big, kind of defeates the object of them being sleek and hard to hit.
DraconicGuardian wrote:Anyone got anything on what the Tantalus is going to DO? I mean from the description, it sounds like Scythevanes are going to make it for running over troops and slicing them up...maybe tanks too. Giant Lawnmower? With guns?
I figured its kinda like the Dark Eldar Caestus Ram. Its for flying over vehicles and then getting out to assault whatever comes out
DeffDred wrote:I thought GW redesigned the LR for a reason. So that we could all forget the horribly ugly RT ones. Thanks FW for wasting time making stupid piles of resin like that as opposed to, oh I don't know, making something worth buying. I don't understand why anyone would be excited for this. I'd imagine that if anyone wanted one of those stupid tanks they would have bought them years ago, you know, before they costed a small fortune. Bet my frined will make some cash as he still has about 10 of those old LR boxes that he never opened.
The DE thing is cool looking. I think all the new DE stuff looks great. I could never play them however, as I hate any and all things elves.
If your friend really does have a bunch of old Landraiders, send me a PM. Sersiously, I want one.
sum1thtdiesalot wrote:I figured its kinda like the Dark Eldar Caestus Ram. Its for flying over vehicles and then getting out to assault whatever comes out
That would be pretty sweet. The description does seem to lend itself to being able to take out vehicles somehow...would be interesting to have something that is both effective at that and able to carry troops as well!
DeffDred wrote:I thought GW redesigned the LR for a reason. So that we could all forget the horribly ugly RT ones. Thanks FW for wasting time making stupid piles of resin like that as opposed to, oh I don't know, making something worth buying.
It's nice to see a man so confident in his opinions that he is willing to take his personal preferences as universal truth.
I can't disagree with him though, why make another land raider when there are so many gaps in other peoples codex's?
Not intending to start a debate on that point, as it'll just descend in to GW bashing / wish list creating off topic nonsense, but imho the models butt ugly, & doesn't make sense (check out the blind spots! All you'd have to do to take one out is sneak up on the sides where the driver can't see you and plant a bomb on the tracks). The newer, sleeker LR looks much more ornate, which made more sense to me given that they represented a tank version of terminator armour (rare, and damned good).
kitch102 wrote:I can't disagree with him though, why make another land raider when there are so many gaps in other peoples codex's?
Because filling in missing codex models has never ever been Forgeworld's stated goal... They make models at a premium price (even compared to plastic and now GW resin prices) that are niche pieces in their branded hobby generally dependent on whatever supplement they're working on and based on what will sell. As for the other comments about a LR's blind spots, let's not put reality into the discussion of GW models. Forty thousand years in the future, I expect that "modern" soldiers will operate via VR and shoot gigawatt lasers from their eyes (or set off megaton explosions with their minds), not swing at each other with implements designed to cut down trees in the 1900's and ride around in interwar WW1 and WW2 tech tanks like the Leman Russ. An LR with blind spots fits in perfectly with the rest of the universe that doesn't make sense yet looks/feels/plays cool.
In the few instances where FW has "filled in" something missing from a codex it was mostly items FW already made or were in the process of making and GW was simply adding it to the codex. The only thing out side of that is the Techmarine with a conversion beamer, but he's technically a special character from their campaign.
Speaking of that Tech-Marine, do we know if his shoulder pads are separate? I know that the Red Scorpion Librarian's shoulder pads were, meaning you could make him any Chapter you wanted (I made him into a Deathwatch Marine), so I'd hope this guy has separate shoulder pads as well. You can make pretty much anything out of him if they are.
TrollPie wrote:Please tell me that Proteus is a photoshop. Please.
Er...why?
I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
TrollPie wrote:Please tell me that Proteus is a photoshop. Please.
Er...why?
I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
The same thing as when GW did it the first time in the 80's?
Incidentally, it's incredibly hard to find a picture of one NOT converted.
TrollPie wrote:I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
I'm not sure what you mean by twice the size of the body... but the designers were probably thinking: "Hey look at all these people trying to track down the old model and paying sooooo much for it. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of their money?" The Proteus is the greatest thing for Pre-heresy builders and players. When all is said and done GW will have sold many more Proteus tanks than Tantalus flyers... so they're obviously doing something to please their customers, even if you aren't one of them.
For me I love the Proteus... I've been dying to include a Land Raider in my Chaos SM army, but one of my goals with that army was to distinguish my vehicles from the loyalist vehicles without resorting to hull mutations or infestation or runes to get the point across, since I play an undivided army. For me I hate the aesthetic of Chaos being Imperial plus spikes... I want a different aspect defining the aesthetic distinction. I chose "age"... I use alot Chapterhouse's mk1 rhino-addons for my vehicles and lot of weathering and wear and tear. In that way a Proteus suits me very well... as it does for like-minded chaos and pre-heresy players.
I get it, you don't like the look. Its design is actually more practical in a number of ways than the modern Land Raider design, which many people have just as many problems with. This is the nice thing about a hobby that promotes converting... if you want a land raider that looks different from either design, make it.
As someone who started playing 40k "only" about 10 or 12 years ago, I think the Land Raider looks pretty ridicoulus.
I get why H.B.M.C. is so happy about it. He's old, the model's old, they're both old and fit together perfectly.
Even though I'm only 24 I am no stranger to Nostalgia, though in my case it's geared more towards old movies and videogames. But this model just doesn't fit with the current asthetic of 40k. Retro Marines are one thing. But this thing looks almost as bad as the 3rd edition Ork bikes. I'll pass and I hope everyone in my gaming group will do so as well.
Though I suppose it would just be a Crusader without the extra guns?
But then maybe we could equip it will some of the cooler options from the Contemptor?!?
i'm guessing if they do the Spartan it'll have the ability to transport 10 terminators or 20 regular guys. Also H.M.B.C, the shoulder pads are separate on the master of the forge
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:Also H.M.B.C, the shoulder pads are separate on the master of the forge
Yes, I saw the pics someone linked to above. Makes me very happy because:
1. It means I don’t have to have an Astral Claws Tech-Marine, he can be whatever Chapter I want.
2. I can use the Astral Claw pads to make Deathwatch Marines (the Deathwatch RPG is set before the Badab Uprising, so it fits!).
You guys have realised that FW are doing a whole range of old style space marine stuff right??? thus the reason for the old land raider.
And besides how can you truly hate FW for some models they release. In all honesty they are a company that doesnt need to exist but they do and make awesome models.
Personally i cant wait for the new IA books. mainly the apoc one for all the new vehicles.(man i want me one of those new IG launchers)
Haha, I was wondering if the Spartan would come up. I bet that a retro MkI Rhino could be in the works at FW. If so, anyone willing to buy both kits could possibly convert up a retro Spartan, which would be in line with the original spirit of the old WD article where you are meant to buy both vehicle kits in order to make two entirely new vehicles. A retro Sabre Tank Hunter, now there's a thought!
Wow, just wow, I cannot get over it.....The models are quite nice too!
I've heard of "Plastic Crack" but that's just poor mans product, "Resin Crack" is for the true connoisseure . My wallet is wailing and haemoaging as my eyes are looking at this. Too, Damn Expensive.....
Do you think FW will do an Old School Terminator line, with slimmed down frames old style Storm Bolters?
TrollPie wrote:I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
I'm not sure what you mean by twice the size of the body... but the designers were probably thinking: "Hey look at all these people trying to track down the old model and paying sooooo much for it. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of their money?" The Proteus is the greatest thing for Pre-heresy builders and players. When all is said and done GW will have sold many more Proteus tanks than Tantalus flyers... so they're obviously doing something to please their customers, even if you aren't one of them.
For me I love the Proteus... I've been dying to include a Land Raider in my Chaos SM army, but one of my goals with that army was to distinguish my vehicles from the loyalist vehicles without resorting to hull mutations or infestation or runes to get the point across, since I play an undivided army. For me I hate the aesthetic of Chaos being Imperial plus spikes... I want a different aspect defining the aesthetic distinction. I chose "age"... I use alot Chapterhouse's mk1 rhino-addons for my vehicles and lot of weathering and wear and tear. In that way a Proteus suits me very well... as it does for like-minded chaos and pre-heresy players.
I get it, you don't like the look. Its design is actually more practical in a number of ways than the modern Land Raider design, which many people have just as many problems with. This is the nice thing about a hobby that promotes converting... if you want a land raider that looks different from either design, make it.
In fairness to everyone both designs are utterly unrealistic and void of design logic. The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.
kitch102 wrote:I can't disagree with him though, why make another land raider when there are so many gaps in other peoples codex's?
Not intending to start a debate on that point, as it'll just descend in to GW bashing / wish list creating off topic nonsense, but imho the models butt ugly, & doesn't make sense (check out the blind spots! All you'd have to do to take one out is sneak up on the sides where the driver can't see you and plant a bomb on the tracks). The newer, sleeker LR looks much more ornate, which made more sense to me given that they represented a tank version of terminator armour (rare, and damned good).
Just my opinion.
You obviously have never been in a real tank. The driver can only see in front of him. So tank have gigantic blind spots and have always been susceptible to infantry that get close..... that is usually why you try to operate a tank in combined arms formations with infantry for support.
Anyway back on topic not really sure I like the model all that much either. I like retro but I think there should be some recognition that some of the retro stuff was and still is pretty crappy looking.
ShumaGorath wrote: The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Then again, I DO also collect toys...
I don't think it fits well in the ethos of current 40k. It fit when orks were tiny and on tracktrikes and tyranids had giant buckteeth, but it's out of time now.
TrollPie wrote:I don't understand how anyone could have thought the Proteus was a good idea. What was going through the design team's head when they decided to get a Land Raider and turn it in to an RC car with tracks twice the size of the body?
I'm not sure what you mean by twice the size of the body... but the designers were probably thinking: "Hey look at all these people trying to track down the old model and paying sooooo much for it. Wouldn't it be great if we could get some of their money?" The Proteus is the greatest thing for Pre-heresy builders and players. When all is said and done GW will have sold many more Proteus tanks than Tantalus flyers... so they're obviously doing something to please their customers, even if you aren't one of them.
For me I love the Proteus... I've been dying to include a Land Raider in my Chaos SM army, but one of my goals with that army was to distinguish my vehicles from the loyalist vehicles without resorting to hull mutations or infestation or runes to get the point across, since I play an undivided army. For me I hate the aesthetic of Chaos being Imperial plus spikes... I want a different aspect defining the aesthetic distinction. I chose "age"... I use alot Chapterhouse's mk1 rhino-addons for my vehicles and lot of weathering and wear and tear. In that way a Proteus suits me very well... as it does for like-minded chaos and pre-heresy players.
I get it, you don't like the look. Its design is actually more practical in a number of ways than the modern Land Raider design, which many people have just as many problems with. This is the nice thing about a hobby that promotes converting... if you want a land raider that looks different from either design, make it.
In fairness to everyone both designs are utterly unrealistic and void of design logic. The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.
This is 40k we're talking about, isn't it? The vehicles have always looked like goofy boxes.
ShumaGorath wrote:I don't think it fits well in the ethos of current 40k.
What would that be?
ShumaGorath wrote:In fairness to everyone both designs are utterly unrealistic and void of design logic. The old one just also looks very silly and toylike.
I don't think you should play 40k... you obviously don't like it.
Before I was saying this version is in some ways more practical, that doesn't necessarily mean it makes a whole lot of sense. It has more ground clearance than the more recently released GW tank kits. Why bother with the excess weight of running tracks up and around, instead of a lower profile?-I think its easy to justify that it has the shape it does because it was decided it needed to have more than a single entry point for the vehicle. All this doesn't matter, because this is a game and it is a toy.
World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).
I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.
World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).
I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.
Certainly true. A lot of people are just kind of miffed that they ignore gaps in the GW model or fluff lines in favor of more redesigns of models that people in majority did and do still find ugly or silly.
World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).
I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.
This has not been what they've done prior to the Badab War book release.
Prior to that, they were very vehemently saying they had "no plans" to do Heresy era stuff. They've clearly changed their minds though, as it seems to be a big hit for them.
Bloodwin wrote:I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.
Certainly true. A lot of people are just kind of miffed that they ignore gaps in the GW model or fluff lines in favor of more redesigns of models that people in majority did and do still find ugly or silly.
I think that the GW, Citadel and Forgeworld model link should be clearer. I don't think that FW should fill in gaps for Citadel and I don't think that GW should release troop choices in army books if they aren't going to come out within six months. I realise that FW's growth has been organic and you can't aways keep those lines clear but I much prefer the newer WH forge way of doing stuff for their own books based on the GW games and their IPs. There shouldn't be any question of "I wish FW could do the Thunderwolves". Citadel should have released them by now. But they havent and it sticks another nail in the coffin for jumping on a new army because it's a gamble if it is going to be completed. That in turn makes designers look poor because we aren't seeing the army they designed as a whole because the models aren't easily available. Why should I need to go to Maelstrom to fill a gap in my beastmen army?
ShumaGorath wrote:
Certainly true. A lot of people are just kind of miffed that they ignore gaps in the GW model or fluff lines in favor of more redesigns of models that people in majority did and do still find ugly or silly.
It isn't FW's mission to make stop gap model kits to fill voids left by GW. When they have its been more a matter of whimsy on their part. GW actively stops them from making kits that fill codex voids... when FW wants to GW has to "ok" it. This often requires FW to take circuitous routes to make certain basic things. For example the only way they did a conversion beamer techmarine was by having him as a special character. Most everything else existed in some form prior to GW allowing it into the respective codex.
World war two/judge dredd ripoffs. It used to be world war one/he-man (where this beast comes from).
I thought part of the point of Forgeworld was to produce small runs of vehicles that are old in comparison to the current versions e.g. Heresy era and pre Heresy items. If you are going with an old school corvus marine force then this would fit in with that.
This has not been what they've done prior to the Badab War book release.
Prior to that, they were very vehemently saying they had "no plans" to do Heresy era stuff. They've clearly changed their minds though, as it seems to be a big hit for them.
Which was the biggest no-brainer in the history of Forge World, really...
As a DE player, that Tantalus is looking really sexy. However, it's just too darn costly to be worth it. I know, I know... It's Forgeworld, so what do I expect? I just can't justify it for the price is all...
Chaos Corner 7 wrote:As a DE player, that Tantalus is looking really sexy. However, it's just too darn costly to be worth it. I know, I know... It's Forgeworld, so what do I expect? I just can't justify it for the price is all...
It is pricey but I really need to see the rules before deciding one way or another. If it ends up being a fancy Super-Heavy with some fun tricks then its value starts to rise in my mind and $125 doesn't seem too bad anymore; it also seems pretty darn big seeing as how that picture has it mounted on a Valkyrie base.
I extremely want the MK.1 LR. I was pretty aghast at the price at first, but then I remembered I had the misfortune of living in Australia, where I can walk into a GW and pick up the standard LR for $110. $10 + shipping more isn't all that bad for such a nice model
no accounting for taste, I guess, but I've always thought the current LR was absolutely hideous.
Look it's simple, FW is doing WH30K and guess what? Its popular! To us RT era guys it does bring back memories from our youth, and plus a Pre-Heresy Army is cool (and Probably been stoked up by the "Images of the Heresy Book" GW released a few years back.)
Forge World are (confirmed available at GDUK2011 by Forge World) going to have a couple of new 40k kits out for Gamesday UK:
Dark Eldar Tantalus
and....
Land Raider PROTEUS! Retro goodness indeed!
That Land Raider is UGLY. I am surprised some of you folks are so gaga for it.
The stock GW plastic kit Land Raider blows it away.
HERESY!!!
By the power invested in me by the God emperor of mankind and by the Holy Ordos i find thee to be a heretic and sentence you to death.
]sound of bolt pistol shot[
I don't particularly like the MK1 LR, and would go with the current one any day of the week.
However, I understand it's place and purpose. You can't actually compare these 2 kits at all, despite them being the same thing near enough. They belong in completely different eras fluff wise and in real life, Forge World hasn't released it to contend with the current kit. It's been made as a nod to, and as a way of helping many people complete their own Pre-heresy armies which GW as a whole have found out is actually a really popular subject.
Although they are both Land Raiders, they serve a completely different purpose to each other and if I was thinking about a Pre-heresy army then of be on it.
On other news, that Tantalus is epic! Rules for the mahooosive Disintegrator Cannons anybody?!?
Well, the new old Rhino looks a lot better than the new old Land Raider imo.
It has the flair of the old model, but doesn't look terrible compared to the new one.
I'm amazed at the level of dislike for the Land Raider, shame on you all! Yes I'm one of the old so and sos who rushed out and bought the boxed set of two way way back in time. They still turn out for my army to this day and no-one bats an eyelid! If I could afford it I'd buy it but the price tag is well beyond sanity! If you want to hate something hate that rhino! Now that is ugly... (Humor)
. Awesome!
