Hello to everyone,
the following photos show my work in progress with my modular table top terrain: each module measure 60cm x 60 cm (they're six for the moment), for a total of 120cm x 180 cm...Because it's "Modular" I can have something like 11 or 12 different ways to "mount" the terrain (11 because one building on module 4 doesn't match perfectly with the others Modules).

The subject is a ruined, bombed, abandoned Imperial city, but not in "gothic Mode", it's more like a WWII German style ...the Modules are:

-Module 1: a piece of the city park, and barracks
-Module 2: it's mostly flat with a part (maybe a little tower or something like that) of the manufactorum of Module 5, and a piece of the city plaza
-Module 3: a piece of the city park, half of big house (for the manufactorum's workers) and a piece of the city plaza
-Module 4: a piece of the city park, a medium size part of the manufactorum, and a ruined church
-Module 5: the manufactorum and a piece of the city plaza
-Module 6: the other half part of the house and a piece of the city plaza

By mixing the modules I can obtain a terrain with the city park in center or split the parts on the four corner of the table, the big house can be just one by taking the 2 half house togeter or a long house if I put the 2 half part one next to other or 2 different house with a central city plaza, the manufactorum can be one big building if I use 3 Modules or I can split them in 3 different pieces...anyway, the modules are studied to be compatible with every other module.

Maybe I make some mistakes with English...sorry, I'm Italian XD

sadly pics arn´t working...

now still don't work?

They're working for me.

now for me too... and boy this looks very promising! will keep my eyes peeled to that thread as i had something like that on my secret agenda too^^

Benissimo! I will watch this project with interest!

--Brian

Nice!

Looking forward to see how this progresses.

Ambitious! I like it

looking good!

The main structre of the 2 half parts of the big house are completed...they're WIP so there's no details, floors, interior walls, furnitures and all other stuff...

Here I show how thw can be used by splitting them or put them togeter, with some shots to a part of the city park and city plaza...

Awesome....looking forward to more!

I would like to suggest making sure that the roof parts are removable for any building where a hand has to reach inside to place miniatures.

Looking great, and I can see the WWII design coming through already!

--Brian

to brian

U're a genius thank's 4 the tip...

Awesome work sir!

Are you using styrofoam for material?

Yes...styrofoam of 2cm width...in italy there's no thinner...I'm looking 4 something of 1cm or less, but I found just metal or wood...there's something in pastic too, but it's too hard to cut...

wow

This is one of the most promising terrain threads I've seen.

Holy russian traktorfaktorie !

Great work so far. I need to start working on a table, and then get busy on some modular terrain for all the different game systems I play.

that is some very nice looking terrain. I'm looking forward to seeing more!!

An impressive work, specially for "sculoting" the wall.....how thit you do them!?

Great stuff!

@ FantasyBob
"An impressive work, specially for "sculoting" the wall.....how thit you do them!? "

sorry, what do you mean?? I don't understand XD
If you mean how I sculpt them, I simple cut the foam with the hobby knife fo half the the width for every "brick", then with the finger I make some pressure to let them to go "inside" the wall a little...

Very nice. Love it so far!

Today's I feel bored to make walls, so I tried 4 the first time to sculpt something...after viewing insaniak's tutorial on making skulls, I've decide to make the adeptus mechanicus one for the manufactorum of the city...It's the first time I sculpt, but after 4 hours of work the results is interesting

Here's the skull before enter the hoven:



Hope the machine Spirit takes care of him while it cook XD

Zebr@88

lovely, i really want to see it finished.
greets.

Zebra88 wrote:Today's I feel bored to make walls, so I tried 4 the first time to sculpt something...after viewing insaniak's tutorial on making skulls, I've decide to make the adeptus mechanicus one for the manufactorum of the city...It's the first time I sculpt, but after 4 hours of work the results is interesting

Here's the skull before enter the hoven:



Hope the machine Spirit takes care of him while it cook XD

Zebr@88

That sculpt looks excellent. I hope all goes well and I look forward to seeing it painted.

New week, New Shots ^^

The main structure of the manufactorum is nearly completed. There's just the rooftop to be made and it will be painted in metal (copper), but not a brand new copper, but an old, oxidized one....something like light blue/green...
The strips on the walls are made in wood (balsa) and they will be painted to looks like white stone (the strips on the sides walls), and iron (the strips on the front and back of the building) I only need to add some rivets...

Now, I've got a vey big problem...first of all I think that the majority of building made for a wh40k terrain are out of scale...still the GW building are out of scale, because to make them in scale the become to be too big...Just try to imagine a manufactorum, I think thant a real manufactorum is big enought to cover the whole table isn't it??Now, In my case I'm trying to do the best to make every building very big, or in any case at least in scale...except for the manufactoum of course, and this is exactly my problem: What to put inside?What does the manufactorum produce? For the size It has, I think just "Hello kitty's Dolls" are the only product it can produce XD weapons or tanks not for sure

Any ideas??

Sorry in advance if I make some mistakes with English

Here are the shots :

Beautiful work! The skill and patience...whoa..the patience to carve all that brick!

dsteingass wrote:Beautiful work! The skill and patience...whoa..the patience to carve all that brick!

That's true....I promise: for the next table, no bricks will be make ahah

My fingers call for help !! XD

Yes, much of the 40K terrain is built with production costs in mind, as well as being a bit undersized. As you can see, making 'true scale terrain' Leads to madness.

--Brian

if your worried about your factory being to small it does look like you could change it to a church style building really easily

thanks for the suggestion:-)the church is a good idea, but first I want un try to make a factory, and if it wont be good it will become a church :-) I thought that maybe a chemical factory doesn't need un be too big, Or a fuel refinery...what do you think?

Zebr@88

Fuel refineries have a gazillion pipes!

My first thought was something like the optical components from razorbacks/land raiders- something small, specialized, somewhat advanced, and not required in quite the insane quantities that body armor, ammo, etc would be needed in. I'm sure there are plenty of other things that would fit that description.

Otherwise, wow. Everything's looking absolutely fantastic.

Zebra88 wrote:thanks for the suggestion:-)the church is a good idea, but first I want un try to make a factory, and if it wont be good it will become a church :-) I thought that maybe a chemical factory doesn't need un be too big, Or a fuel refinery...what do you think?

Zebr@88

Build a large elevator in the center of the factory floor; then fluff it out as an underground facility. LOTS of cities in the fluff have enormous underground facilities to make them more secure. Hive worlds have entire cities on top of cities that are on top of other cities .

Dracheous wrote:
Build a large elevator in the center of the factory floor; then fluff it out as an underground facility. LOTS of cities in the fluff have enormous underground facilities to make them more secure. Hive worlds have entire cities on top of cities that are on top of other cities .

That's the best Idea ever I'll make that for sure

Just a question....what's the meaning of "fluff" ?? My friend "google translator" says something about wool

Anyway, thanks for the idea

Zebra88 wrote:

Dracheous wrote:
Build a large elevator in the center of the factory floor; then fluff it out as an underground facility. LOTS of cities in the fluff have enormous underground facilities to make them more secure. Hive worlds have entire cities on top of cities that are on top of other cities .

That's the best Idea ever I'll make that for sure

Just a question....what's the meaning of "fluff" ?? My friend "google translator" says something about wool

Anyway, thanks for the idea

Fluff refers to the written background of the 40k universe, and is not necessarily related to army lists, or game mechanics.

Wow. This is awesome! I absolutely love how big these buldings are. This is how it should be: huge industrial warehouses and such.

The spacious, flat interiors of the building are great too. Plenty of space to have battles inside buildings.

Great work! keep it up

A Manufactorium could be making pieces of weaponry but not whole weapons, perhaps it manufactures the Power Packs anf general electrical components for Lasguns, or maybe it makes engines for Lemun Russes.

Remember, not all pieces of a certain weapon are made in the same place!

I like how in the Gaunt's Ghost novels their stamped lasrifles are fitted with Tanith-grown Nalwood stocks and grips, it illustrates this idea.

dsteingass wrote:I like how in the Gaunt's Ghost novels their stamped lasrifles are fitted with Tanith-grown Nalwood stocks and grips, it illustrates this idea.

yeah, if you do underground, cut a hole into the floor and make a shaft, paint the whole thing black too, so it looks like its coming from the ground

Hello guys...In the lasts months I had A LOT of problems, and my Computer get broken, so time to work with the terrain and put the results on dakka was impossible...

But from the past week I returned on my bench to work out with the terrain so I'm back to work, and this night (RomeTime) I put some new pics, maximum tomorrow...I Promise

Excellent terrain. This is shaping up to be a really nice board. If it looks this good now I can only imagine what it will be like painted.

Wow! you have done a pile of work here! Very nice!

Love anything like this. Looking great - if its for 40k I'd tend to go more Gothic however.

YES updates!!!!

As I promise, Here's the updates...

I decide to completely destroy the "old" 2 parts of the big houses and make 2 brand new
As Briancj suggest, the rooftop is removable and can be easly assembled with the main structure, the floors and the interiors walls are already made too, but now stop talking and let the images explain the rest














For the eye of the maker ( me) everithing seems perfect, so comments and critics will be apreciated

There is no possible way to comment on something so good

Awesome! Looks great, very realistic. I love the sagging rooftops! Now, paint it up for us!

Sorry man, but I decide to build the entire terrain first, and only then I'll start to paint....There's a lot to wait XD

Zebra88 wrote:Sorry man, but I decide to build the entire terrain first, and only then I'll start to paint....There's a lot to wait XD

No kidding
Will there be skulls and other high tech 40k gothic stuff?

Awesome. keep it up.

This is very impressive! My only concern is that the material you are using is very fragile and your beautiful destroyed city may not hold up to aggressive game play. There is a company called Hot Wire Foam Factory . They make a two part coating that will make you foam tons more durable. I would hate to see your work ruined after an aggressive day of game play. Foam tends to dent easily and accidentally leave intentions. If I can find it I'll send you a link. Keep up the great work buddy


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Here you go!

http://hotwirefoamfactory.com/-025-Foam-Coat-3lbs.html

brilliant work! color me impressed!

are you sure your making wargaming terrain, and not a miniature scale set for a WWII movie?

Thanks to everyone, too much compliment

@Capitansolstice

don't worry, the idea of the city is in wwII style, the city is very old, but it is populated by wh40k citizien!!so there will be a ogothic chapel, a manufactorum and all the details will be be in wh40k style

@madmartykmf

thenks for the tip, and I know, you are right...I was looking for that stuff but in italy there's nothing like this and on the internet I never find it You are my solution!! many thanks..

Nice.

Dude just found this, epic build consider me subscribed

Oh and prepare for the pilfering of ideas

Ok I just need some ideas/suggestion...I'm now working on the interior of the 2 big houses....I can't decide how to make the floors...they can be in moquet, parquet or simply in concrete...I'm nearly convinced to make the parquet, it will become something like this:




but the moquet is cool too

Well, where there will be the staircase I'm going to make the floor covered by tiles...

What do you think??Any ideas??

Phew! I was worried

Awesome! Avsolutely awesome PERFECTION of good, solid, modeling techniques! I know, I have carved a LOT of brick into foam in my day!

It is perfect the way it is, but have you considered adding some architectural greeblies before you commit to paint? Ironwork, maybe some stonework decorations, skulls, gothic stuff? I'm not talking about festooning the thing with skulls or anything, but just small touches?

I only mention this because I KNOW that You know that since you put all this work into it so far, that this is your baby, and that you are asking yourself "is it done?" This is always the difficult point in a build for me, do I go big, or go home as-is?

Making foam game-resistant is super-easy with a coating of mixed PVA and paint. I do that as my primer/sealer coat al l the time with foam and it never gets dinged. I don't think there is any need for a special product like Marty mentioned.

lol, I sound like my grandfather when I was explaining to him the powder-coating process for metal (he has built scale working steam engines), and I was explaining how he could get the best finish on his metalwork.

" bah, I don't believe in paying money for crap like that"


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Parquet would look absolutely fantastic, but you'd have to be a helluva lot more precise with the scribing methinks.


Have you considered ceramic-like tile (plasticard squares) on the interior floors? making the busted tiles is easy and gives a great effect when it is all done.



But if you are set on wooden floors, I have had some success with thin balsa sheet scribed (super easy to do with a scratch awl or nail in a pin vice)

and by using a stain marker on wooden stir sticks



These are in 20mm, WW2 and Wild West respectively but the same modeling techniques apply.

Sorry, your project has got me excited man

Please, really please don't say sorry, 'cause I estimate you, I estimate your work and your suggestion too....you give me some absolutely fantastic ideas and I want to make a mix of them XD
Just to explain: there are 6 apartements in each "half house" so a total of 12 apartements...my first idea was to divide each apartement in 3 rooms: the living room, the bed room, and the bath room, and obviously there should be 2 or 3 different types of floors, one for each room...due to gaming needs, the bathroom don't fit in the space I have, cause the wall that divide the bedroom and the bathroom could make a problem for reaching the windows at his opposite side(there's no place for the hand)...so, one fllor type less, to to make...with your suggestion, the living room should have a tile covered floor, because there were a kitchen in the same room, and for the bedroom, a parquet floor should be fantastic

what do you think?? I really appreciate your help and suggestion 'cause remember, it's my first time making terrain

P.S. to make the tiles do I have to cut every tile in small sqares and then put them together, or just carve the plasticard sheets?

Holy Crap!! This is your first!?! WOW!
I really mean it when I say you are GOOD bro! That is some seriously amazing stuff for your first terrain!

The different floors are a great idea! Go for it! Just remember that if the ceiling is bombed out to reflect that with damaged floor where it has fallen in.

If you were making this as a diorama, only for show, then you should make the rubble as realistic as possible, but since it is for gaming, you HAVE to trade off some realism for playability, you HAVE to be able to not only move miniatures around, but also get your hand inside to do so- I have made this mistake before and it kind of sucks, if you can't get your hand inside to move minis you won't bother using it, and it'll be nothing but a good-looking LOS blocker.



For the 20mm Stalingrad I did as my first Commission set, the miniatures are smaller, and mounted on pennies for bases but your hands stay the same size, so this was a bigger challenge than working in 40k Heroic scale. Because of this you can basically only fit one mini in a window, so the terrain had to have a house rule stating that "if a miniature is visible in a window at all, he is considered in-cover and you measure his firing distance from the window sill (not the miniature base as normal because it was impossible to do at this scale). This simplified firing from the windows a lot.

Thanks dsteingass, on friday and saturday I finish work too late to progress with the terrain, but sunday I'll give a try on your suggestions...many thanks for everything, see you sunday guys

Hey man, no hurry, if you have any questions at all, I'll be more than glad to help if I can. Anytime!

I Think that in the half houses there should be some small scale remnants of personal items, like couches and stuff. But they have to be gothic
Also maybe the owners all have different wall papers and such to distinguish the houses?

Damaged sections of walls and ceilings with exposed lath is also cool, and easy to do, especially with foamcore


just tear some of the card off and scribe the lath boards into the exposed foam.

Hi guys, the store run out of wooden strips I need to make the parquet for the houses, and I'm going to buy the styrene sheets for the tiles tomorrow, so the houses are on standby for now...today I'm going to start a new building...It will raise in module one, there's already a part of the city park and nothing else for now...I'm thinking about a Pub to let the citizien drink some beer, and a small wharehouse...sounds good?? others ideas?

Zebra88 wrote:Hi guys, the store run out of wooden strips I need to make the parquet for the houses, and I'm going to buy the styrene sheets for the tiles tomorrow, so the houses are on standby for now...today I'm going to start a new building...It will raise in module one, there's already a part of the city park and nothing else for now...I'm thinking about a Pub to let the citizien drink some beer, and a small wharehouse...sounds good?? others ideas?

If I am not mistaken you haven't made a factory yet. It would be very cool to have something like this:
http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/images/Retallack_Maschinensaal_web.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kjaKoJIOClY/TZ1Q9A5A5cI/AAAAAAAAAgg/dHChTVdh9Jg/s1600/british%2Bindustrial-revolution.jpg
http://www.scienceclarified.com/images/uesc_06_img0311.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Bessemer_Converter_Sheffield.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Wrhs58v6a98/S-mDdVTrdCI/AAAAAAAAACQ/Q3BzT4Vbs4g/S660/NilesSugarCaneMill.jpg

Especially the last few!

Zebra88 wrote:

The manufactorum is already made and probably something like this can be put outside of it

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Bessemer_Converter_Sheffield.jpg
Cool idea!!

But now I'm working on another module of the tarrain....I was thinking about a Pub, or a Strip club

give me a minute to put a shots to have an idea...


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Here's the module...there's not a lot of space to place a building...I need something small and particular...I though a Pub was the solution

I could see a small pub crawling with gangers there!


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Like this one:
http://blogs.chesterchronicle.co.uk/cheshire-memories/bridgehotel.jpg

It would be cool to have this as part of a machine thingie in the middle of the town square:
http://www.scienceclarified.com/images/uesc_06_img0311.jpg

Wow, you are a master in finding ancient Photos ok, let's do it....

Its actually not that hard
Cant wait to see what happens!

Ok that's the base...I can see a machinegun platform on top of the round roof top





And what about the building next to the pub?? A warehouse linked to the pub with an arch, with a passage under it??Obviously a "Gothic Arch" eheh...That's just a try...

I like the gothic arch Idea! Maybe some mechanical stuff or an eagle connected to it?
Will you be making the roof flat or will it be conical?

This one seems to be a replica of an actual medieval house with timberframe right?

and you must've done alot of historical research on this one. i need info on the actual coatings each medieval houses actually uses on the timberframe walls. please

For wood floors, starbucks coffee stirrers are your friend (pick up bundles when you go in...)

An eagle arch!! Just fantastic, immagine two eagleas watchin each other with the wing in fromt of the faces, the wings form an arch....Capitansolstice, I love you....


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And for the roof I don't know, flat can be used to place miniatures maybe.....

I honestly cant start to describe what a brilliant project this is. I have tried similar things with scratch built buildings but never something so ambitious and on such a big scale. Already it seems to be developing into something that will be both a joy to play on a visually...just fantastic!

I tip my cap to you sir. Keep up the hard work, I will be following closely!

Zebra88 wrote:An eagle arch!! Just fantastic, immagine two eagleas watchin each other with the wing in fromt of the faces, the wings form an arch....Capitansolstice, I love you....


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And for the roof I don't know, flat can be used to place miniatures maybe.....

Why thank you
I'm just using you as an outlet for all of the terrain creativity that I have but can't use

Why?? That's the answer :

That. Is. Cool.
I love how the two eagles at the bottom are facing each other!
Will they be painted like stone or as metal?
I am using you as my outlet because I have no space or talent for a project so big

I thought something like white veined marble...and the brick of the pub will be dark green, so there will be the white of the eagles on the dark green...just to give a touch of irish style pub

O.k. how are you going to paint this?
Actually Never mind. Get back to work!!!

Wow! Amazing man!

Lone Cat wrote:This one seems to be a replica of an actual medieval house with timberframe right?

LOl, no, it is what everything looked like before the invention of drywall dude

Lath boards were nailed to studs or rafters, and then plaster was smeared over it, and in-between the cracks. Google "Wattle and Daub", that might be the medieval technique you are looking for. But it doesn't matter really, people used whatever material was available in their part of the world, and there was no single technique used everywhere.

Ok let's show sme updates...tha walls and the floors of the Pub and the warehouse are completed, now i'm gonna work on the rooftops, and I've got no Ideas
For gaming reasons the rooftop and the first floor of the pub are removable...opinions??





I try to make some draw of what will become, but the rooftops doesn't conviced me

Honestly I love it and dont see anything that should change!

Nice stuff- progressing well.

I am seriously impressed

Damn, what you did at the bottom of the big wall, with the exposed bricks...that is just gorgeous work! I'd like to see more of that!

Thanks guys, I'm glad you appreciate, tomorrow I'm gonna make the rooftop, and for the joy of capitansolstice, I decide to not make the gothic chapel, and make a gothic church instead a 24" x 24" Gothic church...completely scratchbuild It will be hard...ahah...
This is my ispiration...The Milan Dome, next week I'm going to take some photos...It's just 200Km from here :

Oh HELL YEAH!

Good luck buddy! I am sure it will be epic

Sweet Mother of Horus!
This will be immensely insanely cool!
Good luck

This all looks absolutely amazing. Keep up the good work.

Damn, all those spires and points are going to be tough. Full faith that you'll do an excellent job though.

Are all those bricks just scored on?

Hey, this is truly amazing, I wish i could make this...

I have an idea. You could have (around the town) lamposts or lights that are actually made with LED lights. You could drill a hole in the table underneath each lampost to put the wires and the switch.

Now imagine turning all of the lights off (in your house/gaming area) and the only light you are using is the light from the lamposts.

Thats my idea that you might want to use.

Great project,

MaximusPrime

Thanks to everyone...

@SpankHammer III
Yes the brick are carved from the foam, it's not difficult, just veeeeery long

@MaximumPrime
Epic idea!! I've got a tons of led from a broken christmas light, I just need to put some portable power generators around the town, 'cause I think there's no more power supply after the bombing

Street lights would be epic, especially if you modelled the power sources to look like local generators/transforms, hell when you actually started gaming it would make for cool night fights plus supply some obvious objectives

Excellent job mate. Something really amazing on these pages.. let's go on this way!

Just a little note in Italian..
Son curioso di vedere cosa mi metti al posto della "Madunina" ;D

Beautiful terrain! Awaiting more work with much anticipation.

I like it! Keep up the great work sir!

SpankHammer III wrote:Street lights would be epic, especially if you modelled the power sources to look like local generators/transforms, hell when you actually started gaming it would make for cool night fights plus supply some obvious objectives

That would be so cool!

Amazing. Stunning. This is your FIRST project? You wouldn't happen to be taking an Architectural Design class, would you?

I know you said it will be a long time before any of this sees paint, but I'm willing to wait.

You already have the attention of two of the best terrain builders I've followed on Dakka (Dstein and Marty) or I would have shared this thread with them.

Subbed and very much looking forward to whatever you do next.

Awww shucks skalk!

When you get to mass-reproduction of flying buttresses, I am all over it! I have tried, tried, and failed to reproduce the curves, but I NEED to figure that part out before I die.

What? That Cathedral as no flying buttresses?

Then it needs them!

Flying Buttreses are second ONLY to rivets in necessity!

D: you of all people should know that only Rivets are second to Rivets... buttresses are third

There can be ONLY ONE RIVET!

-Book of Rivets, Chapter ONE, verse ONE.

With only ONE rivet, a lot of things will fall apart

This is a theological and metaphysical proverb of course. Physically, the only answer can ever be "MOAR RIVETS"

This thread is shasolenzabi approved!

dsteingass wrote:This is a theological and metaphysical proverb of course. Physically, the only answer can ever be "MOAR RIVETS"

the same answer can go for rivets as well because the best rivets are riveted themselves!

Beautiful!!

My only concern (other than the durability point already raised) is whether you can put standard GW minis in some of those buildings and whether they can see over the window ledges. Some buildings appear to have very high ledges.

Did you ever mention how the Admech skull turned out? We know that it went into the oven.

Two words..... F*cking awesome! Keep up the good work.

WOW. I wish I lived in Italy so I could come play on this awesome table.

DAM AMAZING !!!!!!!!!!! really interesting work here and a real fresh take on scenery this is almost how I envisioned some of the look described in Dan Abnett's book Bloodpact just classic, I am watching this intently

Wow thank to everyone I'll try to finish building as fast as possible to start painting, also because I can't wait to play on it

@ dstein
What is a "flying buttresses" ?? google translator say something about an arch maybe??

@ JB
Thanks for the advise, I measure the heigh of windows ledge with an IG men first because i've got only IG and SM, and second because they're Human building XD
And don't worry about the durability, The yellow one it's not common foam

http://io9.com/5681217/why-the-flying-buttress-is-a-major-engineering-feat
http://www.historylink101.com/lessons/art_history_lessons/ma/gothic_architecture.htm

Wow, that's really amazing work Zebra... never seen anything like it (except perhaps in bomb riddled cities in WWII). Very impressive.

Dstein..........you can't immagine what is strated in my mind after I saw what a flying buttress is...I'll try to make a draw of it and I'll post it tonight........wow....
Just to understand, the milan dome is nothing compared to that.......

have you considered this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/398588.page


that man makes insane stuff from cardboard... and he did a cathedral from it... and then moved on to more insanely beautiful stuff... not that you need any further incouragement for creating stuff on that level yet...as you are fully capable of that on your own^^

Oh yeah, 2500 is a lunatic with the cardboard!

Ok guys, let's explain my idea...first a bad news, making a dome or a cathedral is impossible due to the huge size of it...a 24x24 inches it's not enough, sorry guys...BUT, when dstein talks about flying buttress, something in my mind start to grow, and it's an epic thing, if I cannot make a cathedral ,I'll make a church, not a simple gothic church, an Epic gothic church...well, Gothic means exagerate in details, and then exagerate even more and more, so why not make the entire church "a single detail" ?? let's see the drawing :

Top view

Frontal view


I'm not good in drawing as for building, but it's just to understand...this is an example, not the definitive drawing, the church needs details I know, What do you think??needs some changes??


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By watchin the church from the top, it should remember an imperial eagle

Yeah, scale is definately something to keep in mind. This curch is on a 2x2 base, and it is really too big, that is why I got the wrought iron fencing to build a courtyard around it.


This one ended up being 4" wide! and without even building the towers yet. SO it is abandoned for the time being, until I work out the details of whether it will be in multiple sections or what.

That is ingenuity at its finest!
Making a church into an Aquila

I'd say (if possible) make it evenly centered on a table and segmented in a way that it could be placed across three 4'x2' board sections. the cathedral IS the tabletop... or more specifically the ruins of the cathedral.

that is a great idea for a church, i say do it!

Excellent work! Can't wait to see it complete... Keep up the good work!!! We are all supporting you!!!

Subbed for sure, dude. Wicked amazing

Wow.... I'm very, VERY impressed by this... Consider me subbed - so many fantastic ideas here... I especially love the idea of making the cathedral in the shape of the aquila - that just seems so typically like the Imperium I'm genuinely surprised I haven't seen the idea before....

Keep up the fantastic work!

Hi guys, I'm back!!
First of all the church/cathredal project is on stand by due to A LOT of problem in doing it...first of all money, and second the size because using a single module it's not enough so I need to find a way to make it in another way...
So I Start to add details to the existing building I add the parquet floor, and tile floor, some rubble, brick, a civic number and a WC too on the outside now there's a gutter and to keep it hanged there're some strips with rivets!!! Dstein was right....with rivets everything is better......Here're the shots :

fan ing - tastic.. WOW its great!

Yep, wonderful...... THanks for sharing....

Outstanding!

Beautiful work... intricate, varied... quite realistic & believable.

Thanks to everyone

Spilt what do you refer with "quite realistic & believable" ? If it's for the various object/rubble I had to keep as more free space as possible to make the building playable, I'd like to put A LOT of rubble but I can't

my only question i am able to ask here is how do you make such convincing looking brickwalls...what do you use as a means to be so precise on that scale and yet have so many numerous details??? other than that... i am in awe...

Eheh...the brickwalls eh??too many people asking me for that...I should post a tutorial

Yes!!!...YES!!!!!...We want a tutorial!!! Fantastic job once again... I was visiting the thread every single day!!!

I like where your going, but I think you need an Aquila tacked on at random places

Capitan you're right....But I have no idea on how put some aquila here and there...any of you're awesome ideas??

Zebra88 wrote:Eheh...the brickwalls eh??too many people asking me for that...I should post a tutorial

definatly... as i find for my self i am not currently able to make convincing sclaed bricks for 28mm... that tut done my yours truly would help me no end^^

As for aquila's just break a few in half and scatter the pieces sround the build. Put a few on walls intact or even laying on the ground intact. Like the rest of your wonderful rubble or the civic number you have in there.....

Zebra88 wrote:Capitan you're right....But I have no idea on how put some aquila here and there...any of you're awesome ideas??

If you are willing: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Accessories/ETCHED-BRASS-SMALL-IMPERIAL-EAGLES.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Accessories/ETCHED-BRASS-MEDIUM-IMPERIAL-EAGLES.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Imperial_Armour_Accessories/ETCHED-LARGE-IMPERIAL-EAGLES.html
They could also be incorporated into cornerstones and other brick parts, under windows and even on doors. Kenoda over on warseer did a very good job of incorporating them: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?19386-Forbidden-City-40k-(city-fight-project)


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and, thanks zebra, for calling my ideas awesome

Zebra88 wrote:Thanks to everyone

Spilt what do you refer with "quite realistic & believable" ? If it's for the various object/rubble I had to keep as more free space as possible to make the building playable, I'd like to put A LOT of rubble but I can't

i said this because i think that this building looks like a miniature of a real building, destruction is believble, seems like it came right out of a WWII movie

Mmmmm I like the cornerstone idea captain, but I think now it's too late to make it, but you take me in the right way...maybe this should be a good trade for cornerstone



It's just a test, this afternoon I'll try to reproduce it with plasticard and try to put a LED inside....with foam it's A LOT easier

Amazing work outstanding, Your work is so clean and the cuts are so precise detail is spot on …….. Really am lost for words.

The feel is so real and looks as though it has come from an actual war zone, love the start of the Aquila with the lamp hanging from it nice idea cant wait to see this progress ...

OK that's what came out:






Shall I start the mass production?? Or anything need to change? I need your permssion captainsolstice

Love the lamps

I don't know if you are just doing it for show at the moment ? But would it be better to run the cable through the wall itself ?


It does look good, cant wait ti see it working with a coat of paint

Nice.

very cool lamp! and i love the sandwich work on the aquilla...!

Did you use clapboard siding plasticard for the feathers on the Aquila or strps of plasticard?


Looks fantastic....

Many thanks to every one, maybe tonight i'll paint it up and post it when done...

@mxwllmdr
they're strips, on yhe next one i shall use larger ones, today's the plasticard shop is closed

Your work is really good. I like how you pretty much stick to Styrofoam, can't wait to see it finished.

My cathedral is on a 1'x2'


I don't think a game board looks right unless is has some massive terrain on it. I have several Buildings on 2'x2' boards.

Very nice work here jabba Someone theth thinks like me eheh...

Sorry for ignorance, but how much is 1'x2' ?? I never understand...are that foot? or multiple of inches? decimal measurement are far way easier

Ha, yeah, 1' would be one foot, 12" would be twelve inches. Eventually the US is suppose to phase out the imperial measurements...
30.5cm x 61cm
and 61 x 61
respectively.
Your work mimics photos I use for building inspiration, very WW2 looking.

Ok that's a try....It was a lot since last time I paint!! I don't remember how to do it, ops honestly I don't like this scheme of color...maybe boltgun, or brass shall be better?

Wow, this is really fantastic! Can't believe I missed this before...

I think brass would look interesting. Or boltgun, to match the grey. The brass would have more contrast though.

Keep in mind that the brickwall will be painted in brick red, and the stone strip crossing the brickwall in white....I can't decide

Oh, ok. I vote boltgun then, I think it'll look better against the red.

Are you lighting it?!

Sure so I can make night fight lighted by just the city light...eheh...

i like them too, however perhaps they should be smooth crystal spheres lie the cities of death lamps?

I like the brass, it just needs to be dirtied up to match the surrounding damaged and soot from fires and such.....

i still cant belive how rediculously amazing this building is

This stuff is incredible. I hope you don't mind if I try some of this out for myself. Keep up the good work!

Sorry I was gone!
I vote mass production with the lights

But I don't think brick red is the best color for an imperial city, a darker red, or even grey would suit it more IMHO
But if it's a mechanicus forge then RED all the way

Peace out zebra


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Also, the wires could be utilized as a part of the scenery, so don't disguise them
Strive for this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jontlaw/5393991102/in/set-72157626074300434

You could even have it hanging by its wires for that matter....

amazing ...simply amazing...as you have said you want the brickwork in red with white stripes... will this in essence be a more victorian look:



if so, you just scored on my list even further^^

Thank all of you guys...too much compliments

@Blackhoof

I'm looking for crystal sphere man, I'd like to use them for the city park lights, but I didn't find it for the moment...

@Atariassassin

Try wathever yopu want, so I can steal some ideas from yours ahah....just kidding, we work all togeter, my work is yours as well

@Captainsolstice & Vik

There's a Manufactorum as industrial building so it should be a mechanicus forge for sure, remenber that:



So the brickwalls will be red, and you're right captain brickred it's too much for dolls house for the paint I will need advices and tips 'cause really I forget how to do it, and I never painted a building, just miniatures...


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Someone know if brickwalls can be painted with airbrush?

i think airbrush should work pretty well...tho it makes me think how you want to make the stone strips white afterwards... and if you just make a thin layere of mechrite red over that black primed surface a bit of the balck will always shine through...and it will look a bit darker and more grim that way...

My very thoght was if I should keep the space between avery brick black or make it white/light grey...what do you think?

P.S. You guys force me to panit at least this building without waiting everything is completely built...I can't wait!!


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Another question: shall I put some details after painting the whole building or I must put everithing before? I'm not experienced in building

This is the best terrain I have ever seen, amazed that this is a first attempt! If only i could sculpt like this! Keep the progress coming!

i think better to detail everything before painting... i think you might have glue issues afterwards...

and i´d go for grey rather than white... i think this would suit the theme better...and grey and mecharite red...that´d kick serious buttock^^

Wow, I never thought you'd use my idea , it looks really cool!

Grey not white it will be to clinical looking and to bright, the airbrush might work to give you a variant look, but I think you might want to touch up areas with a brush afterwards.

You could add some detail afterwords, but only stuff that would be pre painted and only needs fitting into place, places that have been prepared, I say this as mounting or carving detail after could damage earlier paint work.

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lone dirty dog wrote:Grey not white it will be to clinical looking and to bright, the airbrush might work to give you a variant look, but I think you might want to touch up areas with a brush afterwards.

You could add some detail afterwords, but only stuff that would be pre painted and only needs fitting into place, places that have been prepared, I say this as mounting or carving detail after could damage earlier paint work.

What he said, and Talk to dsteingass if you want advice on airbrushing.
Do you have any weathering pigments?

Understood....today I'll add last details and then start painting...for now with the brush, and maybe i can make some test on smaller tester pieces with the airbrush...updates soon...

P.S For those interested, I post as requested the tutorial for brickwalls, if there are any questions, feel free to ask...

had a look in it and i dare say it is super!!!

Don't let the airbrush scare you, that is the most important thing to remember. I can teach you everything I know, except practice. Find your correct mix of pressure and paint thinness and practice, practice, practice. I see you have some Vallejo Air paint there, that is also what I use, it takes the guesswork out of thinning the paint, with my small detail needle in my airbrush, I run it between 15-20 PSI, you'll want to adjust that pressure up based on your needle/nozzle size, and whether or not your airbrush is bottom or top feed (bottom feed needs more pressure to suck the paint up from the bottle, top feed holds less paint, but uses gravity and is therefore more efficient).

Painting the white mortar lines should not be a problem with the airbrush, but you'll probably still need to clean up overspray with a brush. That's really ok, it's still faster than brushing alone.




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Oh, and carving brick lines in foam is surprisingly the easiest thing any terrain maker can do. It only takes a ruler and a ball-point pen to make all your lines perfect. There should definitely be a major tutorial or article about this simple technique.


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jabbakahut wrote:Ha, yeah, 1' would be one foot, 12" would be twelve inches. Eventually the US is suppose to phase out the imperial measurements...

That will just never happen....

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jabbakahut wrote:
Ha, yeah, 1' would be one foot, 12" would be twelve inches. Eventually the US is suppose to phase out the imperial measurements...


That will just never happen....

This must happen!! Or I get mad

Thanks for helping me with the airbrush dstein, I've got a lot of problem with it...

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Oh, and carving brick lines in foam is surprisingly the easiest thing any terrain maker can do. It only takes a ruler and a ball-point pen to make all your lines perfect. There should definitely be a major tutorial or article about this simple technique.

Sometimes the easyest way it's the best too Now to finish up the tutorial I need to use your suggestions and advices with airbrush...really many thanks...


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Ok guys, last details added and if anyone doesn't have suggestion, advices or think that something needs tob e changed, tomorrow I start painting this building so...?









I test the light too

Hi all...

Yesterday I've tried to paint up the building, but I made a disaster while giving the primer...the protective mix coat (PVA & paint) doesn't work, and the spry primer melt down most of the foam brick walls and interior walls. I' try to paint anyway, and even if the foam shouldn't melt down, the colours, the bricks and the stone pillars not appears as I dreamed. A lot of time lost, and when i start thinking about this, a lot of other mistakes came out, This force me to give up on THIS project, and let this thread die in time.

I need some time to think, because I still want to make a modular tarrain, but right now I'm not in the right mood.

I'm sorry I wasted your time guys, maybe in future I will open a new thread with a new project...

Anyway, I want to thank you for all the advice and compliments that you have done. I hope to return soon.

Zebr@88

Zebra88 wrote:Hi all...

Yesterday I've tried to paint up the building, but I made a disaster while giving the primer...the protective mix coat (PVA & paint) doesn't work, and the spry primer melt down most of the foam brick walls and interior walls. I' try to paint anyway, and even if the foam shouldn't melt down, the colours, the bricks and the stone pillars not appears as I dreamed. A lot of time lost, and when i start thinking about this, a lot of other mistakes came out, This force me to give up on THIS project, and let this thread die in time.

I need some time to think, because I still want to make a modular tarrain, but right now I'm not in the right mood.

I'm sorry I wasted your time guys, maybe in future I will open a new thread with a new project...

Anyway, I want to thank you for all the advice and compliments that you have done. I hope to return soon.

Zebr@88

Dude that SUCKS
Definitely pick up an airbrush to run "normal" paint through. It will make priming a cinch. alternatively hand prime first with craft acrylic (or liquitex type cheap art acrylic) PVA coats generally don't seal particularly well as corners and sharp angles will hide any "bubbles" where the sealing coat left a small gap.

So sad to hear Hope to see a new project soon....

You will need to test your protective mix on some off cuts first in future.

No where near a waste of time, my friend.

Thomas Edison wrote: I have not failed. I have just found a thousand ways that won't work.....

The building looks pretty damn awesome even at WIP

Sorry to hear of the troubles, Zebra. Hopefully this won't derail your motivation too much.

We have all been here mate and yes it is demoralising and soul destroying But thats the hobby I am afraid, but take what you have learned and proceed with your new found knowledge.

As it was mentioned the WIP pictures are to dam good not to proceed wit this project, take some time regroup and then go back to it, and I am sure you will continue to achieve great things

Some awesome stuff. Sorry to hear about the troubles. Should try to keep it up man .

i can just imagine how P....off you must feel... went through that a coupla times too... it is all a learning process... the thing you should learn all the more is to not letting it get you down... you are a true formidable builder... and your talent should not get wasted due to a mishappen incident... when falling off a horse get back into the saddle asap!!! really your talent that worked so hard must see you through! what i think happened is that your protective coat was not fully coating the object... thus a bit of the foameating stuff got through and ruined your hard work...

i think max got it right to the best point... airbrush will be your friend here...that is where youir next path should be...


and to make a fine point here... it was a lot of fun and pleasure to see you make such miracles out of foam...! never would i associate all this input i gathered here as a waste of time! not in my evilist dreams!

mate i hpoe you are not kicking the can here!


cheers, vik

We wont let you give up


BACK TO WORK !!!!!!!!!! please

Zebra88 wrote:Hi all...

Yesterday I've tried to paint up the building, but I made a disaster while giving the primer...the protective mix coat (PVA & paint) doesn't work, and the spry primer melt down most of the foam brick walls and interior walls. I' try to paint anyway, and even if the foam shouldn't melt down, the colours, the bricks and the stone pillars not appears as I dreamed. A lot of time lost, and when i start thinking about this, a lot of other mistakes came out, This force me to give up on THIS project, and let this thread die in time.

I need some time to think, because I still want to make a modular tarrain, but right now I'm not in the right mood.

I'm sorry I wasted your time guys, maybe in future I will open a new thread with a new project...

Anyway, I want to thank you for all the advice and compliments that you have done. I hope to return soon.

Zebr@88

Don't you dare give up!!!
You NEED to continue with this.
I know it totally makes you want to just stomp on the buildings, but dont. Just think how much it made you learn, and how much better your next building will be!

Capitansolstice wrote:

Zebra88 wrote:Hi all...

Yesterday I've tried to paint up the building, but I made a disaster while giving the primer...the protective mix coat (PVA & paint) doesn't work, and the spry primer melt down most of the foam brick walls and interior walls. I' try to paint anyway, and even if the foam shouldn't melt down, the colours, the bricks and the stone pillars not appears as I dreamed. A lot of time lost, and when i start thinking about this, a lot of other mistakes came out, This force me to give up on THIS project, and let this thread die in time.

I need some time to think, because I still want to make a modular tarrain, but right now I'm not in the right mood.

I'm sorry I wasted your time guys, maybe in future I will open a new thread with a new project...

Anyway, I want to thank you for all the advice and compliments that you have done. I hope to return soon.

Zebr@88

Don't you dare give up!!!
You NEED to continue with this.
I know it totally makes you want to just stomp on the buildings, but dont. Just think how much it made you learn, and how much better your next building will be!

Stomp dude he is in a frustrated state don't give him ideas he will regret later

lone dirty dog wrote:

Capitansolstice wrote:

Zebra88 wrote:Hi all...

Yesterday I've tried to paint up the building, but I made a disaster while giving the primer...the protective mix coat (PVA & paint) doesn't work, and the spry primer melt down most of the foam brick walls and interior walls. I' try to paint anyway, and even if the foam shouldn't melt down, the colours, the bricks and the stone pillars not appears as I dreamed. A lot of time lost, and when i start thinking about this, a lot of other mistakes came out, This force me to give up on THIS project, and let this thread die in time.

I need some time to think, because I still want to make a modular tarrain, but right now I'm not in the right mood.

I'm sorry I wasted your time guys, maybe in future I will open a new thread with a new project...

Anyway, I want to thank you for all the advice and compliments that you have done. I hope to return soon.

Zebr@88

Don't you dare give up!!!
You NEED to continue with this.
I know it totally makes you want to just stomp on the buildings, but dont. Just think how much it made you learn, and how much better your next building will be!

Stomp dude he is in a frustrated state don't give him ideas he will regret later

Oops!

Ok wait a second....seven hundred views in less than 6 hours!?!?!? Wow....thank you guys, I really appreciate...

Sorry Capitansolstice, but I had your idea before you I didn't stomp it, because I thought an Heavy mallet have much more class

Anyway, don't worry, I won't give up...I promise...

Zebra88 wrote:Ok wait a second....seven hundred views in less than 6 hours!?!?!? Wow....thank you guys, I really appreciate...

Sorry Capitansolstice, but I had your idea before you I didn't stomp it, because I thought an Heavy mallet have much more class

Anyway, don't worry, I won't give up...I promise...

Hahaha, did you only stomp one building?
Because the others haven't been ruined yet

Anyway, don't worry, I won't give up...I promise...

phewwww....

and we now have your written word of that!^^

hope you are feeling better now!

Viktor von Domm wrote:

Anyway, don't worry, I won't give up...I promise...

phewwww....

and we now have your written word of that!^^

hope you are feeling better now!

same
Actually, I saved those words in a word document so that its PERMANENT!!!!!

ROFL... yeah... maybe it is needed... but how can you drag someone to a desk and make him do cool hobywork...that would in essence ruin the deeper meaning of hobbywork... i mean...being pssessed by it...that works every day... but beeing pressganged... now there i see a deep problem...

Condolences... That really sucks. Clearly we support you, no need to apologize to viewers. Weird, I've used PVA/water without problems before. Most recently I've taken to using stuff like GW's rough coat first.

Get the hotwire foam coating I told you about. And don't give up brother! You're too damn talented to stop now!

Please don't give up your stuff is inspirational and if you give up i'll cry

Seriously all great works have their set backs, if it was easy it would be as cool

Very sad to hear about tour troubles friend. Before you toss the whole project in the bin, I'd second the air brush idea. If you can afford it, it would fix your painting issues and open up a lot of other painting options as well.

SpankHammer III wrote:Please don't give up your stuff is inspirational and if you give up i'll cry

Seriously all great works have their set backs, if it was easy it would be as cool

quoted for the truth.. but i understand that when you lose motivation.. the project wont happen. for example, i spent a couple 100$ on an empire army, painted 1 guy, lost motivation and havent touched it since last night!.. but again sorry about that, as this was one of the greatest buildings ever (which means now the next one will be better!)

Rogue Wolves wrote:

SpankHammer III wrote:Please don't give up your stuff is inspirational and if you give up i'll cry

Seriously all great works have their set backs, if it was easy it would be as cool

quoted for the truth.. but i understand that when you lose motivation.. the project wont happen. for example, i spent a couple 100$ on an empire army, painted 1 guy, lost motivation and havent touched it since last night!.. but again sorry about that, as this was one of the greatest buildings ever (which means now the next one will be better!)

Dude the Empire kits are great for spare gubbins... But Mk2 building will look even better.

i started empire souly for the bits for use on IG/=][=!

This thread has blown my mind!

Zebra88 wrote:Hi all...

Yesterday I've tried to paint up the building, but I made a disaster while giving the primer...the protective mix coat (PVA & paint) doesn't work, and the spry primer melt down most of the foam brick walls and interior walls. I' try to paint anyway, and even if the foam shouldn't melt down, the colours, the bricks and the stone pillars not appears as I dreamed. A lot of time lost, and when i start thinking about this, a lot of other mistakes came out, This force me to give up on THIS project, and let this thread die in time.

I need some time to think, because I still want to make a modular tarrain, but right now I'm not in the right mood.

I'm sorry I wasted your time guys, maybe in future I will open a new thread with a new project...

Anyway, I want to thank you for all the advice and compliments that you have done. I hope to return soon.

Zebr@88

Please, right now, go to http://www.shop.brickintheyard.com/Prime-It-8oz-PrimeIt98oz.htm?categoryId=-1 and purchase this great prime that you can spray eaisly from your airbrush. I hate to see when people ruin such beautiful creations. Please get this if you intend on painting any more foam. I am not affiliated in any way, I just LOVE this stuff.

in the future

http://www.krylon.com/environment/h20/

its a latex/water based spray paint works great on styro

I've used that stuff. Honestly I can't say that I liked it. It's thin and runny and takes forever to dry. I just hand paint the foam with latex paint now.

Sentinel wrote:I've used that stuff. Honestly I can't say that I liked it. It's thin and runny and takes forever to dry. I just hand paint the foam with latex paint now.

+1 but it works

You are insane man, Dont change what you are doing. It looks great and i can't wait to see the finished board and the first battle report on it. Did you think about the missions? or is that an after thought? When i made mine i didn't think about the deployment zones or where objectives could be placed. Did you buy all those bricks or cast them?

The bricks are carved from the foam anyway, yes I thought before starting the project about deployment zone and objective...I ponedered every single inch on the table, but I'm afraid you'll never see it finish, because I've abbandoned the whole project...maybe in the future I'll finish it...but you have to wait a lot

Zebra88 wrote:The bricks are carved from the foam anyway, yes I thought before starting the project about deployment zone and objective...I ponedered every single inch on the table, but I'm afraid you'll never see it finish, because I've abbandoned the whole project...maybe in the future I'll finish it...but you have to wait a lot

awwwww! what are you doing now?
We understand that sometimes you need a break, but just keep it in mind

See, his first experience with the airbrush was bad, so now he is scared of it. Same thing happened to me.