If this has been posted elsewhere, a million pardons.

So, my store got WD 382 today, here's a rundown of the non-Dreadfleet releases:

- Citadel cleanup kit: Contains a flash brush with right rigid bristles for removing flash from resin and a mouldline scraping tool, ideal for metal, resin and plastic. €10,50

- Citadel Emery boards: Pack contains three emery boards that are great for smoothing resin surfaces. Contains two fine-grade and one super-duper-extra-fine-grade board. €4,55

- Citadel liquid green stuff: paint bottle of liquid green stuff. Water soluble, designed for (teehee) gapfilling and removing air bubbles. €2,95

- Revamped Citadel tool kit: Contains all previous tools along with the new clean up kit.

I have to admit it does not help the 'Finecast problems' perception problem that they're releasing a bunch of tools to deal with the problems.

They are inadvertently admitting that there are problems?

And with the typical outlandish markup. I get emery boards for $.99 for about a dozen. My seem scraper was $3.00 and liquid gap filler is at least half that cost. Glad to see the insanity continues.

November Releases:

Citadel Bubble Wrap Return Kit. Designed to protect your Finecast model when you mail it in for exchange. 1.95

Liquid greenstuff sounds interesting.

AgeOfEgos wrote:November Releases:

Citadel Bubble Wrap Return Kit. Designed to protect your Finecast model when you mail it in for exchange. 1.95

Liquid greenstuff sounds interesting.

The Liquid Greenstuff does sound interesting.

The mouldline scraping tool sounds interesting as well, but only because right now I use a sculpting tool to do it without damaging the detail...

BrookM wrote:

- Citadel cleanup kit: Contains a flash brush with right rigid bristles for removing flash from resin and a mouldline scraping tool, ideal for metal, resin and plastic. €10,50

Am I the only one that uses the back of my exacto to clean up mold lines? It gets rid of them on plastic (smoothly!) and on metal (usually takes a couple passes)...

*edit* any word on the back page? Necrons?

Next WD

Solar protector factor X good for your minis

Its good they see the problem and that they are trying to fix it... I hope they axe it to death and go metal or plastic again.

I hope they ax it and go all plastic already, lol

BrookM wrote:They are inadvertently admitting that there are problems?

haha and then asking you to buy stuff to fix their feth ups!

Scottywan82 wrote:I hope they ax it and go all plastic already, lol

My thoughts on the matter also. I was hoping this was the route they would take when the rumours they were changing from metal started circulating. Instead we got Finecast

I like the idea of liquid greenstuff. Always wanted to to find some kind of liquidy gap filler for all kinds of models, especially if it works good with flat areas where you don't want to see a seam or a crappy greenstuffing job

Liquid greenstuff sounds interesting.

Vallejo already makes a liquid gap filler in a tube for plastic models. It's handy stuff. GW is finally catching up.



A lot of experienced modelers use Squadron putty for gap filling, it's much cheaper and easier than Kneadatite Green Stuff which is actually a sculpting medium though it obviously works for filling gaps too. Anyone who's built models for the sake of doing so other than just Warhammer items is probably already familiar with such things.



As for the comments on GW's pricing on Emery boards, etc. as always these 3rd party tool items are sold at GW as a convenience and they are marked up substantially. If it's convenient to buy them elsewhere you can definitely do better, but one-stop shopping clearly works for some people given the amount of such items GW sells. In fact, Green Stuff is one of their most marked up items. Polymeric Systems 36" Kneadatite ribbons sell for about $12-$15. GW cuts them up into tiny bits just a few inches long and sells them for $10 each. The lesson is not to buy 3rd party hobby supplies at GW if you have a convenient way to buy them elsewhere. The War Store is one good source accessible without leaving home. For $12.99 you can buy enough Green Stuff to last most hobbyists a few years.

See this link http://www.thewarstore.com/product18832.html

Liquid greenstuff got me interested too, looking forward to seeing that one.

Also, isn't this VERY early for the current WD to come out, even to shops? I thought there was an even longer waiting period this time around due to Games Day or something? Wasn't expecting to see anything from it until the last weekend of September at the earliest really... Not that I'm complaining.

Squadron Putty is good, but it dries out like nobody's business and has toxic fumes.

Wonder if it is actually liquid greenstuff
or just liquid stuff they have made green

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Wonder if it is actually liquid greenstuff or just liquid stuff they have made green

It's got to be the latter. See my post a little bit above about hobby fillers. I don't know how they can even call it "Green Stuff", that name is a marketing name used by Polymeric Systems for their 2-part sculpting medium which they also named Kneadatite.

http://www.polymericsystems.com/epoxies-adhesives/epoxy-putty-tapes/kneadatite-blue-yellow.htm

Kneadatite Blue/Yellow ("Green Stuff") is a two-part epoxy/polyamide sealant/adhesive for interior and exterior maintenance and repair. It has excellent adhesion to stone, ceramic, metal, wood and many plastics, including vinyl.

Kneadatite ® Blue/Yellow ® Epoxy Putty Tape and BarsNicknamed "Green" by sculptors and modelers, Blue/Yellow is well-known for its long worklife, non-grainy texture and ability to hold fine detail. Cured models withstand up to 4 vulcanizations. Blue/Yellow is not intended for structural applications.

Blue/Yellow is available in 2 forms: as a roll of side-by-side epoxy putty tape and as 2 round bars in a reusable plastic tube

ib4 vallejo plastic putty dyed green

Yeah, it's hilarious (hilariously sad) how they're trying to sell us tools to fix their miscasts.

Liquid green-stuff sounds interesting... I'll have to check that out. As for the tools- uh, I' wouldn't buy GW tools/brushes if my life depended on it (what a mark up racket that is!).

BrassScorpion wrote:
Vallejo already makes a liquid gap filler in a tube for plastic models. It's handy stuff. GW is finally catching up.

Truth be told, I use Vallejo's white putty and I regretted buying it. It doesn't stick to a surface, making it hard to properly sand gaps, instead comes out in pieces. I'll wait for a review of GW's stuff, but if it works better than Vallejo's stuff, I'd buy it.

But anyway, it's alarming that GW have a lot of stuff for repairing finecast. I want to get the finecast Incubi, but since I'm ordering from an online retailer and not directly from GW, I don't know how it would work regarding replacements.

So let me get this right...

October WD will be promoting a product that is already sold out and some tools to make a rubbish modelling material less rubbish?

making it hard to properly sand gaps, instead comes out in pieces.

Not the liquid stuff in a tube like their paint tube (unless it's gone bad from age maybe?). It's a viscous liquid that fills small gaps nicely and it does not come out "in pieces". For larger gaps I'd stick with the Squadron Putty gap filler or Green Stuff.

Thanks for mentioning the Vallejo Plastic putty, that why i scrolled all the way down here

The current version of Vallejo's Plastic Filler in a tube (like their paint tubes) is already a greenish-blue color, so GW may be just re-labeling it and not doing anything else to it at all.

This has to be a joke.... Right?

A well played joke.

Right???

Destrado wrote:
Truth be told, I use Vallejo's white putty and I regretted buying it. It doesn't stick to a surface, making it hard to properly sand gaps, instead comes out in pieces.

Give it another chance. Learn how it behaves. It's tricky and it doesn't work for everything, but it's still very useful once you figure it out. It works great for filling gaps in plasticard scratch-builds, for example. It doesn't sand well, but it cuts magnificently, kinda like green stuff.

I already have a jar of Mr. Dissolved Putty from Japan, I don't need any GW product to usurp that. I heartily recommend it to anyone else, too. Quite thin, dries very hard and takes sanding extremely well. The only downside is that the solvent will evaporate from it with time, so the putty will turn thicker with age and will eventually go bad from constant opening. Still, the price is affordable and the jar quite large, so you should be able to putty many a seam before it goes off.

BrookM wrote:If this has been posted elsewhere, a million pardons.

So, my store got WD 382 today, here's a rundown of the non-Dreadfleet releases:

- Citadel cleanup kit: Contains a flash brush with right rigid bristles for removing flash from resin and a mouldline scraping tool, ideal for metal, resin and plastic. €10,50

- Citadel Emery boards: Pack contains three emery boards that are great for smoothing resin surfaces. Contains two fine-grade and one super-duper-extra-fine-grade board. €4,55

- Citadel liquid green stuff: paint bottle of liquid green stuff. Water soluble, designed for (teehee) gapfilling and removing air bubbles. €2,95

- Revamped Citadel tool kit: Contains all previous tools along with the new clean up kit.

GW bigwigs: Right we're losing more customers and need to up profits still

Accountants: Well, a price rise will go a long way to helping...

GW bigwigs: Yeah great idea but we want to REALLY exploit them I know, we'll make a load of miniatures that are imperfect in some way then get people to buy the stuff to fix those imperfections and some of it will be consumables!

This, shall not end well :(. And also doesn't humbrol or similar do liquid filler type stuff in general model shops? At least putty in a tube type stuff from some model poly cement supplier irrc...

I would be sort of interested in the liquid green stuff to play with.

But yeah - it looks pretty darn bad when you have to release a special toolkit to fix "The finest models in the whole world."

For small blemishes I use Mr Surfacer or Tamiya Lquid primer
So I may as well stick with what I have but thanks for the heads up on the Vallejo BrassScorpian
and apologies for missing your comment

Was too busy musing on the Vallejo putty

Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

BrookM wrote:If this has been posted elsewhere, a million pardons.

So, my store got WD 382 today, here's a rundown of the non-Dreadfleet releases:

[Stuff Everyone is talking about]

So, no toys, then? Just Dreadfleet and a bunch of modelling tools?

Iamjack42 wrote:

BrookM wrote:If this has been posted elsewhere, a million pardons.

So, my store got WD 382 today, here's a rundown of the non-Dreadfleet releases:

[Stuff Everyone is talking about]

So, no toys, then? Just Dreadfleet and a bunch of modelling tools?

Yup. There's the usual list of BL and FFG stuff, but that's it.

Only GW...

The price of the models goes up as the company uses cheaper base materials.

The cheaper base materials have a significant reduction in quality, despite being advertised as a dramatic improvement.

The company suddenly releases products for fixing models that were supposed to be a 'dramatic improvement'.

So... the new and improved models, which cost more, now have the additional cost of buying greatly marked up products for fixing the flaws, despite them being 'new and improved'.




Fething ridiculous.

Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

i rather have em fix the issues with finecast ( remove finecast all together) instead of selling me the tools to fix their shoddy work... nice try but i get the tools i need elsewhere as always.....

Liquid green stuff FTW!

As for the resin modelling tools I don' t really see it as that much to get upset about or scoff at. Every blog, project manual, or tutorial I've ever seen concerning resin models has (I look at big models like 1/6 to 1/8 scale) has bubble removal, gap filling and other project repair. From what I can tell it's pretty par for the course as far as resin kitting goes.

The majority of tabletop gamers/GW bashers on this site are probably not used to it. Hell GW would be great if they had resin kits without the standard resin fix-up issues. As it stands now they're no better than other companies that provide resin models. I'd prefer to stay away from resin as it stands, but in the end being forced to learn a new skillset isn't that bad (resin modelling).

I guess for GW to try and get in on the tools and such, it makes perfect sense. Have I seen liquid resin, xactos, etc before....Yes. Will it be much easier to come by because it's a GW product and the hobby shops in my area have been exinct for about six years now (and I don't like paying shipping on a $6 product)....Yes

Anyways, just a thought.

If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

Lorizael wrote:Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

I should hope that you're joking. All of the clippers, files, etc. that you already have work fine for resin models. I believe I speak for the other posters when I say that it's irritating that GW is trying to tell us that we need new tools for their resin models, when we really don't. The price markup is the infuriating icing on this rage cake.

Honestly I'm surprised it took them this long to put a mould-line scraper on the market.

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Nah. This is too fething funny to get angry about.

Lorizael wrote:Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

Yes, but this us the first time I have known someone market accessories to fix what should not need fixing in the first place

Hey kids we screwed up, but not to worry.
We have all these COOL GW products to help fix our bodge job!

GW The caring Hobbystore!




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BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

...but ... buut.....
it so hard not to when they pull stunts like this!

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Oh, I'm not raging, more shaking my head and chuckling.

BrassScorpion wrote:The current version of Vallejo's Plastic Filler in a tube (like their paint tubes) is already a greenish-blue color, so GW may be just re-labeling it and not doing anything else to it at all.

Is it weird that in a GW promo thread, my take-away is I should order a bottle of this next time I order paint from The War Store?

Guildsman wrote:

Lorizael wrote:Surely we all use clippers, files, xacto knives and green stuff (sometimes) to work on our plastic and metal models?
So why wouldn't it be a good thing to have the right tools for working on resin models..?

Of course you can get similar for cheaper elsewhere but that's not the point- we still all buy the right tools for the job.

I should hope that you're joking. All of the clippers, files, etc. that you already have work fine for resin models. I believe I speak for the other posters when I say that it's irritating that GW is trying to tell us that we need new tools for their resin models, when we really don't. The price markup is the infuriating icing on this rage cake.

Clippers of course are good for both. Metal files destroy resin models. Xacto knives are also too sharp and harsh for resin- 1 slip and you've cut so far into it... I've been using a sculpting tool for clearing up finecast as it has a slightly sharp edge but not sharp enough to do damage.
Having softer files and a mold-line removing tool will be useful.

These new tools may well not be for everybody- this hobby isn't just for people with years of experience with a huge variety of materials and different kits. People with less experience would often rather have the available tools that won't destroy their models, and won't mind paying for them- from GW or not.

Great
Kids can buy a tool for which they will have no other use

Tell em which tools in the tool box will do for both.
Not had any finecast to play with otherwise I would be telling them myself.

So how much is little Timmy (rather little Timmy's parents) going to fork out when they only expected to buy a single blister.

Chibi, with years of cynicism under his belt and willing to share it for free.

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

I think GW has done that for themselves and forums are about the only place for people to rant since GW will not listen.

That said I have tried some of these gap fillers and was not impressed with most but I have yet to even see the Vallejo one. It will be interesting to see what GW comes out with but I think it should come with every box set of finecast models for free.

Flashman wrote:So let me get this right...
October WD will be promoting a product that is already sold out and some tools to make a rubbish modelling material less rubbish?

That is really weird. Promoting someting after it is supposed to be sold out. They really don't know how to use the WD and fill it with content.
I was hoping for Tyranids second wave, oh well.
Knowing GW, there is always the chance of secret Finecast releases that are hidden in the internal October price list for shops.

Revarien wrote: any word on the back page? Necrons?

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

Well? Any answer to this?

Yup Dreadfleet certainly seems like the waste of effort and a good plastic release slot for some army.

I thought the Sep WD had been delayed until the 1st of Oct. Sure I picked this up on one of the forums?

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Seems to be the trend doesn't it...

rather than rage i will support GW.
I think GW is the best. They make the best tools to fix their minis with. The tools are also very cheap. I like GW cause they make the minis that i like and i am very happy with those minis since i am now able to give GW money so i can buy tools from them to fix those minis when i get them from GW.
ok. glad to have that out of my system. I have used cheap paint that has gotton thick from disuse as gap filler. it works ok in a pinch though i have never tried to sand it.
@ Kroothawk. My guess is that we wont be seeing a second wave of tyranid models. The codex would have to change before anyone would get excited to buy new nid minis. My guess is that they saw the profits on that line plunge so far that release of any new models would be a total waste. They probably are going to save the molds that they have for the second wave until after they release the next ndis dex.

Well I guess they weren't happy with only being able to sell superglue with every Finecost sale. Now we see the 10-50% markup on all Failcasts they're trying to impose to squeeze the dosh out of everyone. I'd be surprised if something designed not to damage the soft resin will actually work well on metal (not saying it won't work, just how effective/efficient it is). If someone's getting enough imperfections in their model to justify anything but the back of a scalpel then something is seriously wrong.

Seems to be the trend doesn't it...

yup
With GW setting the trend
No kick in the balls, no belly ache

AgeOfEgos wrote:
Citadel Bubble Wrap Return Kit. Designed to protect your Finecast model when you mail it in for exchange. 1.95

Well done.

Kanluwen wrote:The Liquid Greenstuff does sound interesting.

The mouldline scraping tool sounds interesting as well, but only because right now I use a sculpting tool to do it without damaging the detail...

Right now I use the back of a knife and scrape gently, but wow, an emory board? Sounds like it really is pretty delicate.

Fine grade wet and dry A4 sheet about a quid
Bit of double sided tape for a few pennies
some scrap plastic card/empty plastic food container eg ice cream tub/margerine tub for free

Adhere and cut to size and shape of choice
and gently whittle your cares away for a song

"October White Dwarf

*
*

This October, take to the high seas of the Warhammer world with Dreadfleet, the fantastic new game from Games Workshop.

This brand new game (the first completely new game system since The Lord of the Rings) is packed to the gunwales with supremely detailed Citadel miniatures, containing sea monsters and shipwrecks, doom-laden islands and ten intricately detailed warships.

Not only that, but Dreadfleet will only be available in strictly limited quantities and when they're gone, they're gone!

To serve as a fantastic accompaniment to the game, expect your copy of White Dwarf 381 after October 1st, 2011 – the same day that Dreadfleet is released. In-home subscribers can expect to see their copy by October 10th.

Future issues of White Dwarf will be released on the last Saturday of each month, as normal, and every issue continues to be the first place you will be able to find out about our forthcoming releases.

Given Dreadfleet's exclusivity, as a White Dwarf Subscriber we certainly don't want you to miss out on your chance to own a copy of this amazing new game. Therefore, the only way to guarantee your copy is to Advance Order yours before September 25th from your local Hobby Center, where it will be waiting for you on the day of its release, or online.

To find out more about Dreadfleet, you can read all about the new game, complete with a fantastic image gallery of the box and its contents, on www.games-workshop.com right now!

Yours Sincerely,
The White Dwarf Team"

From GW's website: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=16900014a

Wait wait wait...So GW is releasing a kit to help us with the miscasts? Sounds like they are trying to make a profit even off their own mistakes...


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Apparently they got tired of people sending back their models.

ceku wrote:Wait wait wait...So GW is releasing a kit to help us with the miscasts? Sounds like they are trying to make a profit even off their own mistakes...


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Apparently they got tired of people sending back their models.

Yep instead of getting you a new one that's not bubbly their going to try to sell you another thing. It is a ploy ingenious.

In all likelihood, the tool kits were planned even before the miscast level was known. It only makes sense for them to have come up with a way to get some more money courtesy of a material swap. It's also no coincidence that it comes out in October, which is the unofficial start of the early-Christmas shopping season in the US.

And I'm sure the emery boards would come in handy to someone, because I highly doubt that there has been absolutely no cases of someone being overly vigorous in sanding or filing a moldline. If harder resin can be damaged by it, Finecast certainly can.

And I'm sure the emery boards would come in handy to someone

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Fine grade wet and dry A4 sheet about a quid
Bit of double sided tape for a few pennies
some scrap plastic card/empty plastic food container eg ice cream tub/margerine tub for free

Adhere and cut to size and shape of choice
and gently whittle your cares away for a song

hth

BrookM wrote:- Citadel liquid green stuff: paint bottle of liquid green stuff. Water soluble, designed for (teehee) gapfilling and removing air bubbles. €2,95

Depending on how thick it is, I might grab this. A thicker solution would be good for smoothing over joints on Forgeworld models.

ps
Then they should have waited for October for the launch of Finecast and brought them out at the same time.
That way they would have given themselves time to iron out the production glitches

Lorizael wrote:Metal files destroy resin models. Xacto knives are also too sharp and harsh for resin- 1 slip and you've cut so far into it...

I've found neither of these to be true for my part. I have two sets of diamond files that do just perfectly on resin. Same with knives, though I'm careful not to use quite the sharpest blades at my disposal for the task.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Lorizael wrote:Metal files destroy resin models. Xacto knives are also too sharp and harsh for resin- 1 slip and you've cut so far into it...

I've found neither of these to be true for my part. I have two sets of diamond files that do just perfectly on resin. Same with knives, though I'm careful not to use quite the sharpest blades at my disposal for the task.

Got to agree, at least with knives. All I've ever used for Finecast is a modelling knife, and just scraped it over a mold line to remove it. One scrape and it's gone completely. Flash is similarly easy to scrape off with a modelling knife.

Quite
I keep old Swann Morton blades for removing seam lines

If you are unsure practice on the sprue first

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

The back page shows off more Dreadfleets and as far as I can tell from flipping through the back, no November preview is shown.

Kroothawk wrote:

Flashman wrote:So let me get this right...
October WD will be promoting a product that is already sold out and some tools to make a rubbish modelling material less rubbish?

That is really weird. Promoting someting after it is supposed to be sold out. They really don't know how to use the WD and fill it with content.
I was hoping for Tyranids second wave, oh well.
Knowing GW, there is always the chance of secret Finecast releases that are hidden in the internal October price list for shops.

Revarien wrote: any word on the back page? Necrons?

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

Well? Any answer to this?

I'm sorry herr oberst, some of us catch sleep at night.

BrookM wrote:

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

The back page shows off more Dreadfleets and as far as I can tell from flipping through the back, no November preview is shown.

The dreadfleet preview was a couple pages from the back last WD (it was just that wanted poster).... anything similar? something ominous or the like? Thanks

Revarien wrote:

BrookM wrote:

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

The back page shows off more Dreadfleets and as far as I can tell from flipping through the back, no November preview is shown.

The dreadfleet preview was a couple pages from the back last WD (it was just that wanted poster).... anything similar? something ominous or the like? Thanks

No, just more pictures of Dreadfleet. All in all, most of the issue is taken up by Dreadfleet, with a wee bit of Fantasy thrown in, some Ogres and Sister of Battle battle missions. No Necron preview or anything, unless they hid it somewhere in one of the articles. Haven't gotten that far yet, still reading the Dreadfleet stuff.

BrassScorpion wrote: For $12.99 you can buy enough Green Stuff to last most hobbyists a few years.

No way, that thing only lasts me a month or so

Flashman wrote:So let me get this right...

October WD will be promoting a product that is already sold out and some tools to make a rubbish modelling material less rubbish?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Only GW...

The price of the models goes up as the company uses cheaper base materials.

The cheaper base materials have a significant reduction in quality, despite being advertised as a dramatic improvement.

The company suddenly releases products for fixing models that were supposed to be a 'dramatic improvement'.

So... the new and improved models, which cost more, now have the additional cost of buying greatly marked up products for fixing the flaws, despite them being 'new and improved'.




Fething ridiculous.

Damn funny! But GW is trying hey? If they did everything right it would be so boring over here.

On a more sad note I will not be able to buy finecast at the current quality, just a nightmare that I'm not inclined to be a part of and that sucks because there are some sweet models that I still dont have... Lets see if in some years the quality improves and prices drop a bit... I know I know I need to wake up

Here I was thinking that Finecast were the highest quality miniatures in the world - the world! I mean, that's what 'What's On Sale Today' told me on the GW website, over and over again.

I guess that means that Finecast's mistakes are the highest quality mistakes in the world, and that these tools to fix them are the highest quality Finecast mistake fixing tools in the world.

The world!

BrookM wrote:

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

The back page shows off more Dreadfleets and as far as I can tell from flipping through the back, no November preview is shown.

Damn. I was really hoping... well, what everyone else was hoping, really. I guess the tombs remain silent a little longer.

Ouze wrote:

BrookM wrote:

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

The back page shows off more Dreadfleets and as far as I can tell from flipping through the back, no November preview is shown.

Damn. I was really hoping... well, what everyone else was hoping, really. I guess the tombs remain silent a little longer.

Chances are it'll be a "surprise" release.

A "mold line remover"? Sooo...an exacto-knife?

That really is a pointless issue of WD. Unless you have ordered the dread fleet i guess.

I think its good they are releasing the materials to fix finecasts, which are worth the extra cleanup effort imho just for the better painting and durability (as long as you don't live in a furnace)

Poor use of the mag though to be sure, they should have used it is a special pre order platform alongside the in-store push. I like buying WD looking at the models and day dreaming "maybe one day ill have those...". But then a whole issue dedicated to a limited edition product that you most likely wont be able to get unless you jump on it the day you get your mag. I liked the idea of Dread Fleet, i dont like it so much now its cost me a month of ogling nice new minis. The boats are nice but i don't really want to read a whole issue about a game i will defiantly never own.

its really a waste of games day too, big army release there would have gone down amazingly.

Issue 382 is mostly a primer for Dreadfleet, it also has hobby info on how to paint all the ships, do water effects and whatnot along with a short glimpse at how the rules work and how two of the many scenarios play out through bat-reps.

BrookM wrote:Issue 382 is mostly a primer for Dreadfleet, it also has hobby info on how to paint all the ships, do water effects and whatnot along with a short glimpse at how the rules work and how two of the many scenarios play out through bat-reps.

Which is why I'm looking forward to picking it up

RiTides wrote:

BrookM wrote:Issue 382 is mostly a primer for Dreadfleet, it also has hobby info on how to paint all the ships, do water effects and whatnot along with a short glimpse at how the rules work and how two of the many scenarios play out through bat-reps.

Which is why I'm looking forward to picking it up

Yaaaaay, another happy customer!

Cerebrium wrote:A "mold line remover"? Sooo...an exacto-knife?

Not quite. If it's what I think it is, it's a three-sized metal object that you use to literally scrape mould lines off. The benefit of it is that it doesn't have a 'blade', so you can really cut into something by accident unless you try. A friend of mine has one and uses it for mould lines.

Are there any more finecast releases this month?

-Loki- wrote:

BrookM wrote:- Citadel liquid green stuff: paint bottle of liquid green stuff. Water soluble, designed for (teehee) gapfilling and removing air bubbles. €2,95

Depending on how thick it is, I might grab this. A thicker solution would be good for smoothing over joints on Forgeworld models.

Back in my model-building days (WWII and such), used to make this at home...finely chopped up plastic sprue mixed w/ lots of plastic cement and stored in a glass bottle...melts/combines into a plastic "goop" which then dries hard and is easily sanded and such.

AJC

"From now on, the WD won't be the simple advertising tool from the past but will feature meaningful content for everyone in each issue. This issue will give you ... wanna buy Dreadfleet?"

So, emery boards.. like those little cardboard things your girlfriend, wife, mom and/or sister uses to file their nails? can't you just buy them at the drug store for like $1? Or are we paying extra for a laser etched 40k eagle thingy on the handle?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:A "mold line remover"? Sooo...an exacto-knife?

Not quite. If it's what I think it is, it's a three-sized metal object that you use to literally scrape mould lines off. The benefit of it is that it doesn't have a 'blade', so you can really cut into something by accident unless you try. A friend of mine has one and uses it for mould lines.

That's what it is, indeed. Micromark markets it as a "seam scraper", list price is $18.65 and Micromark sells it for $12.95

There are others available, but this is the only one we've tested that really works! No other tool smooths glue seams or removes parting lines and flash better than our Seam Scraper. The 3 super sharp cutting edges on the double-ended scraper blade are precision ground tool steel. The collet in the steel handle allows you to slide the scraper in and out to adjust for the amount of exposure you need. 2-3/4 inch long scraper blade. 4-1/2 inch long handle. Also deburrs aluminum, brass and other soft metals.

I can't find any real equivalent to the 'Flash Brush' on Micromark's site--and if they don't have it, then I am stumped.

Have you used one, Kan?


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"Seam-scraper," that is.

Yeah. They're pretty helpful tools.

I can see how that'd be the case on the bottom of a battleship model but on the flexed arm of a Guardsman?

Manchu wrote:I can see how that'd be the case on the bottom of a battleship model but on the flexed arm of a Guardsman?

Works pretty well even then. The whole point of it is that it runs along the moldline and removes it without scarring the plastic.

Looks weird but I'll give the modeling stuff a try. Liquid green stuff sounds dumb. I already have filla glu in 3 thicknesses and powda and wicking grade glue for it. TBH I think there is a level of crappyness with resin that's inherent to the medium but I dont like how obvious this looks. As for the boat game it doesn't say sold out on the UK site nor do I expect it to for at least a week. The thing is an indulgence and one that goes too far for my pockets.

The seam scraper sounds like potentially a decent product, though I feel my knife covers it for me. But might well be ideal for Little Johnny Butterfingers, who would otherwise shiv himself on an exacto blade.

Depending on how you look at it you can speculate on why this puncture repair kit has been released:
1) They knew long before finecast was released that they couldn't solve the problems. Afterall isn't White Dwarf done 3 months in advance? And when did Finecast arrive?
2) They've had to release this kit because they can't solve the problems and that there is going to be an ongoing problem with it and it is never going to be solved.
So its looking really rosy for Finecast!
Puncture repair kits at the ready lads!

Wow. These actually seem..... Fantastic :O

Liquid green stuff? So like. Paint on filler? Oh my god that's genius

Tool set has been outdated for all of my painting career.Sculpting tool, exacto, snip-snaps, files and that clean up kit would be fine. Who the hell actually uses a vice or a metal saw? I don't feel particularly obliged to buy it with those things still in it :/

Seriously?

Is this a joke thread?

How much is 10 quid? About 15 bucks?

scarletsquig wrote:Seriously?

Is this a joke thread?

I can assure you it is most certainly not.

Poor GW, they don't even get to announce their new products and already dakka has a thread on better and cheaper alternatives to the upcoming finecast fix set...

Well, at least I know what not to expect from GW this month

The liquid green stuff is a great move, regardless of being able to get an alternative for cheaper elsewhere, it will a handy thing to be able to pick up in store, as and when it's needed.

As for the "repair kit" this is just shuting the stable door after the horse has bolted. I would be realy interested to see the like for like sales for models which switched from metal to resin. I can almost guarante that they will have droped. I too would welcome a move to all plastic and I have a feeling they are testing the water for this sort of thing with the release of models such as the VC wraith and the choas champions.

Something which I think summed up how bad the Finecast situation is was when I was in my local GW the other weekend. Over the course of an hour or so every customer who bought a fine cast set was advised by the store manager to open up the pack and check it over before leaving so as to make sure that it isn't a crappy cast. In what other retail environment would this be acceptable other than buying a box of eggs!

Manchu wrote:I can see how that'd be the case on the bottom of a battleship model but on the flexed arm of a Guardsman?

I have to say when I first saw one my initial thought was "I have a hobby knife... what would I need this for?" until I actually used it, and then realised that it did everything hobby knife did but never bit into the plastic. It was very useful.

Want to know the worst part?

Going off today's currency conversions...

The 10.50 euros that GW is asking for the brush and scraper...

Is cheaper than the list price of the seam scraper alone.

Going off Micromark's discounted price of $12.95 USD, it comes out to 9.54 Euros for just the seam scraper.
Bear in mind that, of course this does not include S&H from Micromark, possible customs fees, etc etc.

But I think I can reliably say:
What the hell is going on?

Liquid greenstuff sounds nice. (hmm, perhaps a well lightly filled in with it to get an actual liquid effect?)

Interested in these, as I like to have a good set of tools.

With regard to the Liquid Greenstuff, this should come in handy for the Forgeworld gubbins I have, on account that I am utterly useless with the conventional stuff! Well, ish. Usually a bit bobbins compared to what I was aiming for!

Kanluwen wrote:Want to know the worst part?

Going off today's currency conversions...

The 10.50 euros that GW is asking for the brush and scraper...

Is cheaper than the list price of the seam scraper alone.

Going off Micromark's discounted price of $12.95 USD, it comes out to 9.54 Euros for just the seam scraper.
Bear in mind that, of course this does not include S&H from Micromark, possible customs fees, etc etc.

But I think I can reliably say:
What the hell is going on?

Check out the seam scraper from Squadron. Works great. Reasonable price.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ10203

the seam scraper sounds like a deburring tool.
I use one already to great effect.

Liquid Green stuff?
I'll have some of that, if only for easing transitions on sculpted on green stuff detail.

The emery boards as far as I know, are not sandpaper like your wife/girlfriend/sister/etc uses, but micromesh boards.
Far finer and more consistent than emery paper.
I've used them before on models I've made from other sources
The emery boards you get in the drugstore are probably about 120 grit. I've got 36000 grit micromesh in my tool kit.
(That's not a typo, thirty six thousand)
It gives a wonderful finish.

skrulnik wrote:
Check out the seam scraper from Squadron. Works great. Reasonable price.

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ10203

That's the one I have, so I know it.

But Micromark's is what more people would likely "want to use" since it's a bit easier to grip.

GW will be releasing boltgun metal adhesive roll (duct tape) any time now.

EDIT: ...for $10 a roll...

Do you think that the liquid green stuff would work for mold kits for art projects or is it just for filling gaps on figures? Ive been wanting to try sculpting some fallout 3 models using mold sets if thats possible...

Ugh GW, GW... liquid green stuff? I already use a liquid green stuff from Squadron for half the price of your insanely priced Its been out for years. Again, GW being years and years behind.....

BrookM wrote:

Ouze wrote:

BrookM wrote:

jspyd3rx wrote:If the new WD is out, whAt is on the back page please?

The back page shows off more Dreadfleets and as far as I can tell from flipping through the back, no November preview is shown.

Damn. I was really hoping... well, what everyone else was hoping, really. I guess the tombs remain silent a little longer.

Chances are it'll be a "surprise" release.

Wasn't there going to be a surprise announcement at Games Day?

Thanks BrookM
What was the "on sale" date for the new tools?

interested in the Liquid Greenstuff if it will work on metals also.

Laars wrote:Thanks BrookM
What was the "on sale" date for the new tools?

October first for all tools, toolkit status is "Coming Soon"

Interesting stuff, not sure that I can see a use for the GS liquid as I already use humbrol model filler at about £2 a tube....... And you can sand it. I would imagine liquid GS will have the same properties as the squadron stuff or indeed regular GS.

Still.... er....well done GW for showing HHHobbiests something new that is already available elsewhere for less I suppose.

Hmmm that's not as positive as I thought it would sound?

Again if you use an old scalpel blade rather than a new one, it rarely if ever bites the plastic. I need a scraper for scale modelling more than seam removal tbh to remove raised panel lines.
Been wanting one of those Squadron scrapers
Sadly their products are not so readily available in the UK

The other one scraping the hull looks a bit too large for my needs




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PS

There have been a number of threads that have been locked after baiting recently
We are all getting along just fine discussing tools and accessories, which as a modeller I find helpful to know what is available and what are the best alternatives to use.
It would be really sad if some troll bot came along and stirred things up causing a meltdown of the thread

May a mod just keep a eye on things please.


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pps Samus
Forgot to mention that sounds to be in the right ball park

Exchange rate is usually around $1.60 somthing to the GBP

Worglock wrote:interested in the Liquid Greenstuff if it will work on metals also.

It's greenstuff, what do you expect? Read the WD issue, it has a tutorial on it.

Kanluwen wrote:The Liquid Greenstuff does sound interesting.

It does, but it's not a new product. The department store (Boyes) across the road from where I work sells it for c. £1.50 a tube. Works well for filling jobs on models.

What is that product called please Osbad?

BrookM wrote:- Citadel liquid green stuff: paint bottle of liquid green stuff. Water soluble, designed for (teehee) gapfilling and removing air bubbles. €2,95

How about they use the material themselves to fix thier finecaste quality issues in house before sending it to the stores...rather than making us do it.

Well, on the plus side, I have found a new tool in the seam scraper..so thanks BrookM

So no one's mentioned the travesty of in-home subscribers getting their SEPTEMBER issue on October 10!?

What's the point of subscribing to WD again?

Ozymandias wrote:What's the point of subscribing to WD again?

Because it's the first and only place to see the AMAZING new releases for that month... for anyone without a computer.

Ozymandias wrote:So no one's mentioned the travesty of in-home subscribers getting their SEPTEMBER issue on October 10!?

What's the point of subscribing to WD again?

Wait, what?

How have subscribers not gotten their September issue yet?

I own both the Squadron and Micromark seam scrapers and find the Micromark one to be the best. The Squadron one, as has been mentioned, is much more narrow and less comfortable to hold onto. I also found myself getting off-center with it and scraping somewhere besides the mold line.

The Micromark scraper is too big, though, for areas of very tight detail. For them I use two X-acto knives, one with a curved blade and one with the standard blade. I finish with a tri-grit sanding stick which has two polishing grits that I don't use and a 1200 grit that I do. I would love to find a sanding stick in all 1200 grit instead of one-third of a stick.

Anyone know the grit of the GW emery board?

No mention of Necrons? Sigh.

Zhrukal
Sorry to mention this again, but you can buy 1200 grade wet and dry paper which can be stuck to some support of choice with double sided tape

The advantage is that you can cut it to shape/size and have a flexible board or a rigid one, depending what you use.
An A4 sheet will last a while
I get various grades and make a sanding stick as and when required.

Also if you use that double sided padded mounting you have exactly what you would if you bought a sanding stick



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ps thanks for the mini review of the scrapers btw

As usual, lots of "crazy" Internet theories here about this. Here's an answer that's more plausible and more cynical at the same time.

There is only one reason these products are being released and it's the same as any other product they carry: to make money. It's a business and once again GW has realized there are useful hobby products out there that they don't sell and that a lot of their "Warhammer models are the only models I've ever built" customers are probably unaware of. A lot of their customers, especially the younger ones and their parents, will buy the stuff when they are at a GW store because it's one stop shopping. It's how they sell glue, Green Stuff, Woodland Scenics grass, snow and tress, tools such as modeling knives, etc. and at the markup they put on those items they are making good money for sure.

The rest of us lucky enough to have other sources and experienced enough to have more familiarity of those 3rd party hobby supplies fortunately have more choices.

Any more info on the WD contents? Or can they really fill all the pages with how awesome one product is? Where is the usable content for everyone? Sorry, BrookM, if I interrupt your 36 hour sleep

It's mostly Dreadfleet with the obligatory whats in the box, hobby articles, two bat-reps and rule breakdown. Jervis is being boring again, there's an army showcase on Ogres, three new scrolls of binding containing, surprise surprise three monsters from the Ogre range, Sisters of Battle get a trio of battle missions (Defend the Shrine, Recover the Relics & Purge the naughty person), a workshop on how to use the new tools on resin models and that's it.

Kanluwen wrote:
Wait, what?

How have subscribers not gotten their September issue yet?

You're right, the September issue came out in August, but the October issue should come out in Sept but it won't arrive at subscribers until Oct 10, a week and a half after it hits stores!

So you got me on a technicality, which doesn't invalidate my point in any way.

BrookM, could you post any pictures of the new tools?

Thanks

Ozymandias wrote:You're right, the September issue came out in August, but the October issue should come out in Sept but it won't arrive at subscribers until Oct 10, a week and a half after it hits stores!

So you got me on a technicality, which doesn't invalidate my point in any way.

GW marketing said, that they have to make sure that Dreadfleet is sold out before they officially make WD advertising for it

Two days ago I tweeted GW's Vox Caster account about how much I enjoyed this issue of WD and while they usually retweet such messages (any positive news is worth sharing with them), this one has been ignored, maybe because we're selling the mags before official release?

Only by 11 days, that's nothing
Changing the release schedule to have the release after GD UK didn't mean a thing.
Guess they are too busy to find the culprit and fire him.

My chain of stores, whom I'm not going to name, have been selling them nation wide since this Tuesday, go us?

If GW asks, just say you are German

Pfffft, no way, I'd like to see my boss take the fall but heh, I don't think they give a feth. They've cancelled magazines over lesser things before.

BrookM wrote:...& Purge the naughty person.

Any decent reference to Castle Anthrax?

So how much are they charging for a toothbrush?

Death By Monkeys wrote:

BrookM wrote:...& Purge the naughty person.

Any decent reference to Castle Anthrax?

Completely unintentional, how wicked of me.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:So how much are they charging for a toothbrush?

Just click the pic:
8.20 £ for the brush, 3.75 £ for the manicure set, 2.30 £ for the green ooze and 70£ for the whole toilet bag.

orc master wrote:i rather have em fix the issues with finecast ( remove finecast all together) .....

I lolled.

I think the tools are overpriced and I like the alternatives posted here in the thread, often gw will do things which I didn't know about and then I'll buy the superior product like the vallejo liquid filler. Seam filers are something I've been look for for awhile too. The most interesting tool is the games workshop toothbrush. If anybody out there has a sonicare toothbrush, my advice is to use an old worn out toohbrush head for the cleaning. sonicare cleans resin just as well as teeth!

Some more details about the Storm of Magic scrolls by poncho160 over at Warseer:

These are the options for all three creatures:

Thundertusk:
Spike tail - Adds 1 tail attack.
Icy breath - Gives the Thundertusk a strength 4 breath attack, that can not be used in the same turn as its other shooting attack.

Mournfang: Can be taken in packs of 2 - 8.

Vanguard - Gives them the vanguard special rule.

Thickhide - Gives them the scaly skin (5+) special rule.

Stonehorn:

Jaws of iron - Gives the Stonehorn a chomp attack with the multiple wounds (D3) special rule.

Mace tail - Gives the Stonehorn 1 tail attack at +1 strength.

The Thundertusk and Stonehorn are both cheaper than thier Army book equivilants too, probably because they do not have any riders.

Ozymandias wrote:So no one's mentioned the travesty of in-home subscribers getting their SEPTEMBER issue on October 10!?

What's the point of subscribing to WD again?

You used to be able to get your subscriptions through MiniatureMarket.com you can subscribe there for about $50 USD. That's less than $5 per issue and about the only way I'd buy one of those fething magazines again. Of course they just changed up their website entirely about a week ago. Best to call in and see if that's still available. I could wait till the end of the month for $5.

Thanks Kroot

Soo over 8 quid for an old toothbrush and an old scalpel blade, both available for free.

Think I will pass ta very much.

Not keen on the liquid GS in a paint bottle
Understand why they have used it but make sure you keep the lid down until you need to go.

While I was at my store I decided to kill some time by calling a few FLGS' listed in the back of the WD, they told me that it was put under an embargo until next week and told me that it was okay, seeing as GW didn't explicitly tell us, unlike them, that we weren't allowed to sell it just yet.

Kroothawk wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:So how much are they charging for a toothbrush?

Just click the pic:
8.20 £ for the brush, 3.75 £ for the manicure set, 2.30 £ for the green ooze and 70£ for the whole toilet bag.

Meh, if they only do their usual (doubling) of the UK price to AU I'll definately pick up the green stuff to play around with and possibly the tools as well. Getting one of those Squadron tools will cost me AU$15 to get sent out from the states (Micromark is even harder to find/more), so no biggie to pay $16 or $17 to get the GW version with the brush as a bonus.

I'll also be picking up the Vallejo stuff next time I order from Maelstrom, but their service is ...uneven, so I could well be waiting 2-3 weeks before they even manage to send anything out, or I might have it in 6 days.

Disappointed that the trend for releasing those single miniature plastic blisters has stopped so quickly (unless you're holding something back Brook?).

Flashman wrote:Disappointed that the trend for releasing those single miniature plastic blisters has stopped so quickly (unless you're holding something back Brook?).

Considering that out of that "trend for releasing single miniature plastic blisters", only two were not Wizards--I think it's not unreasonable to say that the trend will likely continue, when they go to do something where they feel they can do another big kind of "event tie-in".

Edit note:
I can't believe I forgot the Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee kits. That one I'm still kind of surprised by, since they basically made them "hero" models for what is in fact a unit entry.

It's kind of like fielding a unit of Cold One Knights made up entirely of Malus Darkblades.

Flashman wrote:Disappointed that the trend for releasing those single miniature plastic blisters has stopped so quickly (unless you're holding something back Brook?).

Nope, that's all for October, honest.

BrookM wrote:

Flashman wrote:Disappointed that the trend for releasing those single miniature plastic blisters has stopped so quickly (unless you're holding something back Brook?).

Nope, that's all for October, honest.

Bah, no money for GW this month then (well, none of mine anyway).

Kanluwen wrote:I can't believe I forgot the Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee kits. That one I'm still kind of surprised by, since they basically made them "hero" models for what is in fact a unit entry.

It's kind of like fielding a unit of Cold One Knights made up entirely of Malus Darkblades.

Banshees used to be single rare choices and Wraiths used to be single characters. I for one am super happy they put back in a way to field them outside of a silly unit.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Liquid greenstuff sounds interesting.

Vallejo already makes a liquid gap filler in a tube for plastic models. It's handy stuff. GW is finally catching up.



A lot of experienced modelers use Squadron putty for gap filling, it's much cheaper and easier than Kneadatite Green Stuff which is actually a sculpting medium though it obviously works for filling gaps too. Anyone who's built models for the sake of doing so other than just Warhammer items is probably already familiar with such things.



As for the comments on GW's pricing on Emery boards, etc. as always these 3rd party tool items are sold at GW as a convenience and they are marked up substantially. If it's convenient to buy them elsewhere you can definitely do better, but one-stop shopping clearly works for some people given the amount of such items GW sells. In fact, Green Stuff is one of their most marked up items. Polymeric Systems 36" Kneadatite ribbons sell for about $12-$15. GW cuts them up into tiny bits just a few inches long and sells them for $10 each. The lesson is not to buy 3rd party hobby supplies at GW if you have a convenient way to buy them elsewhere. The War Store is one good source accessible without leaving home. For $12.99 you can buy enough Green Stuff to last most hobbyists a few years.

See this link http://www.thewarstore.com/product18832.html

Any sources for that stuff in Europe? ESPECIALLY the Green Stuff? I've been looking on a source with affordable GS with affordable shipping to Austria for ages...

BrookM wrote:They are inadvertently admitting that there are problems?

They are In-Advert-ly admitting that there are problems.

Any sources for that stuff in Europe? ESPECIALLY the Green Stuff? I've been looking on a source with affordable GS with affordable shipping to Austria for ages...

Polymeric Systems (makers of Green Stuff) have a website that shows where to buy their products. If they don't show any European vendors you might want to write to them and ask about it. They'd likely be happy to help. http://www.polymericsystems.com/

Contact Polymeric Systems

Polymeric Systems, Inc.
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Tel: (610) 286-2500
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800-CAULK IT (800-228-5548)
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Fax: (610) 286-2510
Email: sales@polymericsystems.com

The PSI Customer Service team is available to assist you Monday through Friday from 8:00 am to 5:00 pm Eastern Standard Time.

In the EU contact:

Whitford Plastics Ltd.
10, Christleton Court , Manor Park
Runcorn, Cheshire WA7 1 ST UK

Tel: +44(0) 1928 571000
Fax: +44(0) 1928 571010
Email: salesuk@whitfordww.com

Squadron also has a website where you might be able to learn more or inquire about where to buy their products. http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SQ9050

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ph34r wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:I can't believe I forgot the Cairn Wraith and Tomb Banshee kits. That one I'm still kind of surprised by, since they basically made them "hero" models for what is in fact a unit entry.

It's kind of like fielding a unit of Cold One Knights made up entirely of Malus Darkblades.

Banshees used to be single rare choices and Wraiths used to be single characters. I for one am super happy they put back in a way to field them outside of a silly unit.

That's not what I was actually referring to.

I was referring to the way the models were done, hence "fielding a unit of Cold One Knights made up entirely of Malus Darkblades".
With a little bit of work, sure, you can make them look individual (I've actually figured out a good way to do that, namely different shades on the exposed bone, a little snip here and there for the scythe hands, etc) but it clearly was intended more for the minor Hero aspect.

They at least gave a nod to them being a unit. the Wraith has 3 head options.

BrookM wrote:

Flashman wrote:Disappointed that the trend for releasing those single miniature plastic blisters has stopped so quickly (unless you're holding something back Brook?).

Nope, that's all for October, honest.

You can't tell from just reading the WD. Finecast new releases are so secret that they are not even mentioned in WD but hidden in monthly price list updates for the stores. Part of the new marketing by GW, don't ask.

That said, next month they stop releasing any miniatures, so lets hope this trend will not continue in November

I am in the UK and get my kneadatite direct from Sylmasta, it's much cheaper than most places and would assume they would ship to Austria:

http://www.sylmasta.com/acatalog/Creative_Kneadatite_Putties.html

They also do brown stuff etc too.

Kroothawk wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Flashman wrote:Disappointed that the trend for releasing those single miniature plastic blisters has stopped so quickly (unless you're holding something back Brook?).

Nope, that's all for October, honest.

You can't tell from just reading the WD. Finecast new releases are so secret that they are not even mentioned in WD but hidden in monthly price list updates for the stores. Part of the new marketing by GW, don't ask.

That said, next month they stop releasing any miniatures, so lets hope this trend will not continue in November

Oh those poor, poor Necron players, they've been had again.

StraightSilver wrote:
They also do brown stuff etc too.

Yik yik yik!

yeah,
The liquid GS looks interesting.

What's the coming soon back page thingy?

Panic...

For the third time, no coming soon / back page preview.

I like the sound of liquid green stuff, think I'll buy a pot.

"Water-soluble" and "brush-on" are the main selling points for me, and the price isn't in the realm of fruitloop GW candyland pricing unlike the other tools they are releasing. 8 quid for a toothbrush, lol.

Brook!! hey Brook!!

What's on the back page of WD this month?
heheheheeheheh

OMG I'm turning into an annoying citrus fruit AAAARGH!

I rang my local GW to ask if/when the new WD was out - for some reason I was thinking it was this weekend, despite browsing this thread. Next weekend, apparently. I also asked them if they had prices or knew when the Liquid Greenstuff or Resin working tools would be in.

He had no idea what I was talking about (or was acting like it, in case I was someone from corporate). He couldn't even tell me if they would be getting any new release products in at the same time as the WD, because sometimes they do and sometimes they don't...

I'm half-tempted to go and visit GW Amsterdam with my copy and ask them to demo the new tools.

I've been told I can't put out WD until Saturday, because all the stuff on Dreadfleet is such a secret. The disinformation rules are getting pretty stupid and silly. The issue is out in parts of the world, just let people buy it. It can't hurt sales on things, can it? So confused.

I told a customer that the issue was extra pirate themed because of the breach in embargo.

mikhaila wrote:I've been told I can't put out WD until Saturday, because all the stuff on Dreadfleet is such a secret. The disinformation rules are getting pretty stupid and silly. The issue is out in parts of the world, just let people buy it. It can't hurt sales on things, can it? So confused.

Have I dreamt seeing Phil kelly on a GW released video talking about Dread Fleet a week or two back?
How is it a secret now?
What are GW playing at?

Amused, bemused and confused, why do I even care anymore?

Today's programme has been brought to you by the letters W, T and F

Leave it up to GW to make you buy more things to fix their already expensive finecast models..

chainsword135 wrote:Leave it up to GW to make you buy more things to fix their already expensive finecast models..

Leave it to the hate brigade to ignore the fact that these are just GW branded versions of products that already exist.

3rd party for me please... although the GW clippers I've had since '08 are still doing the job quite nicely.

GW's clippers are the only tool I've bought from them and not been disappointed in some way. I also bought a cheap pair of small pipe clippers, which are basically the same thing, but GW's clippers have just the right angle on them.

These are the flush cutters GW used to sell a long time ago. You can still buy them at major craft stores in the US like Michaels for about $9, cheaper if you get one of their common store discount coupons. And the blades are steel so they are much more durable than the current GW "plastic cutters" which are made from a cheaper, less resilient metal. I've seen the blades on the GW plastic cutters break when people cut something a little too thick, like the thicker pieces of sprue.

http://www.amazon.com/Bead-Cord-Nippers-5-Inches/dp/B0058ED5KA

BrassScorpion wrote:These are the flush cutters GW used to sell a long time ago. You can still buy them at major craft stores in the US like Michaels for about $9, cheaper if you get one of their common store discount coupons. And the blades are steel so they are much more durable than the current GW "plastic cutters" which are made from a cheaper, less resilient metal. I've seen the blades on the GW plastic cutters break when people cut something a little too thick, like the thicker pieces of sprue.

... huh? I've been using mine lately for clipping the rounded parts off the ends of Carnifex arms, which are thicker than sprue. Takes a good 2 handed squeeze, and I haven't had the thing break yet.

Can you at least tell us whats for next month please (necrons please...)

mikhaila wrote:I've been told I can't put out WD until Saturday, because all the stuff on Dreadfleet is such a secret. The disinformation rules are getting pretty stupid and silly. The issue is out in parts of the world, just let people buy it. It can't hurt sales on things, can it? So confused.

You actually listen to their BS about not putting WD on the shelf? Seems a little silly to me. Are they going to send out the Fail Police and slap your wrist for making some coin before they want you to?

I know of another company that has practices like this. They literally control and dictates how their sales reps operate their companies. Let's hope it doesn't come to GW telling store owners what they can and cannot do with their own businesses just because GW product is on the shelf.

Put it out... GW be damned!

happygolucky wrote:Can you at least tell us whats for next month please (necrons please...)

Errm.....BrookeM's gonna be pissed!

Well I can *tell* you that Necrons are going to be next month, as you asked so nicely.

However that doesn't mean that it's true!

Balance wrote:They are In-Advert-ly admitting that there are problems.

Haha...

I think some people are over blowing this. Selling these tools imply no more a problem than selling hobby knives to deal with the downsides of flash on plastic and metal models, implies those are problematic. Even if Finecast has gap and airbubble issues in addition to flash, this is just a different aspect of a different product.

oni wrote:

mikhaila wrote:I've been told I can't put out WD until Saturday, because all the stuff on Dreadfleet is such a secret. The disinformation rules are getting pretty stupid and silly. The issue is out in parts of the world, just let people buy it. It can't hurt sales on things, can it? So confused.

You actually listen to their BS about not putting WD on the shelf? Seems a little silly to me. Are they going to send out the Fail Police and slap your wrist for making some coin before they want you to?

Mikhalia has been pretty open about how much prize support and store support (like store fixings and shelves) he gets from GW. Why would he bite the hand that feeds him and risk lessening that relationship just so some local fanboy who probably buys half his stuff online can get the WD a bit early? I agree that GW's policies and reasoning are utterly stupid but you're aiming the barrel at the wrong target.

LGS looks cool, but as I have no interest in any of the currently avaliable Finecast models, I can't really see the point. Can you use it to make blood drops, I wonder?

I saw the liquid greenstuff yesterday. For those who dont know it looks just like paint. (even in same container.) The colour is about the same as goblin green. (I think.)

So liquid.......er.......greenstuff then.

What does it "use" like, that's what I'm interested in.

What I'm wondering is if I've already bought Dreadfleet is there any reason whatsoever to purchase this issue of WD for the dreadfleet content?

Jarakin wrote:What I'm wondering is if I've already bought Dreadfleet is there any reason whatsoever to purchase this issue of WD for the dreadfleet content?

I also have this same question. Are the painting articles any good?

So when is this liquid greenstuff actually coming out?

I got the tools and liquid greenstuff today. The mould line scraper is excellent and I can se it becoming an essential tool. The brush is also handy for cleaning off scrapings and filings. I've been trying them on a Warhammer Fantasy Chapel and they've been very useful. The emery boards are nice too. they are glued around a plastic core. The only stupidness I heard was that our store (Croydon) was only sent 6 pots of liquid greenstuff which seems daft. I still cant get my head around it even while testing it but it seems good.

WD is a Dreadfleet fest. There's a bit on using tools and three scenarios for Sisters of Battle but 95% is Dreadfleet.

I picked up some liquid Green Stuff this morning too. It has the consistency of a Foundation paint that's dried out a bit, which means that it's probably best to dedicate a separate brush to it, rather than using your best.

I have a feeling this stuff is going to be invaluable for filling out all those small bubbles in Finecast models and absolutely perfect for conversion work as you can paint blobs into the holes and carefully wipe away the excess. Because it's thick to start with, it doesn't seem to contract much when it dries... should make it interesting to paint raised detail with.

I'd forgotten about the scraper tool... might have to pick up one of those next time I'm in store. Dread Fleet looked really nice, but because the store hadn't received the models before today they were having to demo with unpainted models. Nice work there GW.

I was wondering about something.. Liquid green stuff + home made mould using insta-mould = ???

BrookM wrote:I was wondering about something.. Liquid green stuff + home made mould using insta-mould = ???

PROFIT !!

I was thinking the same, but then I remembered it's GW, and the price of the Liquid green stuff will likely make it pointless.

But still, if it works, it would be invaluable to duplicate... things...

While profit isn't a term I'd use for this lest we anger the donkey-cave lawyers around here, it is something I was pondering about as it would make the creation of smaller parts, such as heads for Dust Tactics easier.

BrookM wrote:I was wondering about something.. Liquid green stuff + home made mould using insta-mould = ???

I was thinking similar as I was testing it but more along the lines of painting the liquid greenstuff into the mould then padding it out with regular greenstuff. However after tidying up the filled gaps (which it does excellently) I think it's too fragile for casting as you can easily scratch it off with your fingernail when it's dry.

We need tests: Liquid Greenstuff takes longer to dry and may shrink. Mind bubbles

ashikenshin wrote:

Jarakin wrote:What I'm wondering is if I've already bought Dreadfleet is there any reason whatsoever to purchase this issue of WD for the dreadfleet content?

I also have this same question. Are the painting articles any good?

Argh, this is the thread I was looking for. I posted this answer in two other threads already But, YES. The White Dwarf will be very valuable to Dreadfleet owners. There's a page devoted to each ship and it shows how they were painted, also mentioning which parts were kept separate to paint before final assembly. Very, very helpful!

I also picked up the liquid greenstuff, but don't have anything to try it out on atm... looks perfect for filling gaps, though!

Kroothawk wrote:We need tests: Liquid Greenstuff takes longer to dry and may shrink. Mind bubbles

The GW product being sold to fill bubbles could itself generate bubbles?



My mind has been trapped inside an infinite mobius of bubbles inside bubbles.

Just as planned..

Heh

I'm not going to use it to fill air-bubble holes... I'm hoping it will be perfect for filling gaps.

Specifically, the giant yawning gaps on my trollbloods Dire Trolls... they need some love!

RiTides wrote:Heh

I'm not going to use it to fill air-bubble holes... I'm hoping it will be perfect for filling gaps.

Specifically, the giant yawning gaps on my trollbloods Dire Trolls... they need some love!

Seriously. PP should package this stuff with all of their metal beasts.

Mulg is getting "the treatment" this evening, once I pin him good and proppa.

Post pics, Da Boss! I need inspiration to go through with it as I'm scared to do anything drastic to such an expensive model...

(Also, my dire trolls so far have been "gap filled" with lots of glue... so they're mostly filled, albiet in a very inefficient process. Would love to use this instead...)

Not sure where all the hostility on the first page is coming from for these new tools; they're marked up because they're rebadged products from a third party. Get them there if you're not one for buying all of your hobby items in one place at the same time. Secondly, Finecast is different to metal and therefore requires different tools, just as plastic figures require different tools to metal ones. Seems to make sense to me. Finecast has had its problems, but the fact they've released tools specifically for resin doesn't mean they're holding their hands up and saying "LOL CANT BE BOTHERED IMPROVING THEM YOU DO IT LOL", they're just providing the tools for hobbyists to clean up their finecast models the way we've been doing with metal models since the early 80s. Producing miniatures in any medium is a compromise; plastic cannot have undercuts and is only now beginning to come close to the same level of detail reproduction as metal, whereas metal does not reproduce extremely fine detail as well as resin, and resin is subject to severe warping and air bubbles. And that's that. The finecast miniatures I've bought have been very good quality.

The "hostility" is actually amusement/bemusement at charging extra bucks for items that can be had for a song, and people actually going to buy it cos it says GW on the packaging.

Your comment does beg the question, why these products were not available for cleaning up metal?

GW don't presumably buy the goods from third parties at retail price and mark up.

got some liquid greenstuff yesterday (Maidstone too only got sent six pots), and gave it a go - brilliant! It's *very* thick, but it's also water soluble, so I thinned it down a bit and slapped some on a couple of models that needed general filling. I love it. Really nice to use, and because it's thin, it doesn't obscure detail when you overfill/blend. Seemed to dry really quickly too which is a bonus, but that may be to do with the heat yesterday. Took a coouple of coats to fill some of the gaps I had, but no complaints about that - all in all, a much less messy and frustrating task than normal greenstuff

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
Your comment does beg the question, why these products were not available for cleaning up metal?

Probably because seamscrapers(most kinds at least) and brushes do not do a thing for metal models.

What are brushes going to do with Finecast other than sweep away the debris?
Seam scrapers are still useful for metal, again with the old Swann-Morton.

If you want a set of brushes in the UK, Wilkinsons have a nylon, copper and steel brush set for under £2

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What are brushes going to do with Finecast other than sweep away the debris?

Can't say until I've actually tried the brush. Might simply be stiff brush hairs like you see for grooming certain dog breeds, which will take off the thicker kind of 'sheets' of flash that you sometimes see between two parts.

Seam scrapers are still useful for metal, again with the old Swann-Morton.

Certain kinds are useful for metal models, sure. Some aren't. My Micromark seam scraper works like crap on metal models, the blade doesn't bite deep enough.

If you want a set of brushes in the UK, Wilkinsons have a nylon, copper and steel brush set for under £2

If you use a metal wire brush on a resin model, you deserve what's coming to you.

Namely: you're likely going to ruin the detail on the model in some areas.

What makes you think I would use a wire brush on a resin model?
They still would be useful for other purposes, even if non gaming related, and you get a toothbrush too.

Is still better value than the GW deal.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:What are brushes going to do with Finecast other than sweep away the debris?
Seam scrapers are still useful for metal, again with the old Swann-Morton.

If you want a set of brushes in the UK, Wilkinsons have a nylon, copper and steel brush set for under £2

The brush has plastic bristles and is a pretty good clean up after filing/scraping because I can be pretty rough with it without any risk of damaging the model. I'm going to be hunting for some brass brushes as liquid green stuff has gummed up my files (doh! the stuff is water soluble no need). Also liquid green stuff isn't good for big gaps. I'd say half a mm or less is fine otherwise use the regular green stuff with a top coat of the liquid. The emery boards are ok for large areas but I think the article in White Dwarf was a bit misleading as you cant get into most small gaps like armour plates or scales. For those gaps I'd use regular emery paper. However as with most GW tools they are good introductions to a method people may never have used and now I can go on and find my own way that suits my needs.

Using it to do some gap filling on Mulg. It's pretty goopy, which is good- it pretty much only goes where you put it with the brush. The other nice thing is that it wipes away with a tissue before it dries, so you can easily clean up any mess you make. Big gaps (like the ones on Mulg's torso) will need two coats. But that was a LOT easier than using solid green stuff!

BrookM wrote:Let's not turn every thread into an anti-GW rage okay?

Sry, that i impossible facing this...

GW is almost asking for hating, i think it have something to do with apologizers...

Think with me: GW target public is of teenagers, teenagers have this tendency to be rebelious against everything else, specially the olders. So, GW is trying to cause the greatest amount of anti-GW hate amoung old-hobbysts, so the new teenagers hobbysts will just rebel against the general feeling, and will turn out as Apologizers.

Man, GW C.O. must be a genius!!!!!

Just as planned..

BrookM wrote:Just as planned..

You've been posting that alot. What exactly is that supposed to mean? It's a very cool model of Abaddon though. I don't know who bags-under-the-eyes balding dude is though.

On a more related note, has anyone who used the liquid green stuff tried filing or sanding it? How does it take that texture-wise? From the consistency, I'd guess it to be more rubbery. Does it dry completely hard like plastic?

It doesn't dry rubbery. It seems very dry like dry mud. When I filed it it came off very easily but didn't pull as a whole chunk so it didn't come out of the gap. in fact once i git it roughly how I wanted it the mould line scraper tidied it up nicely.

Bloodwin wrote:It doesn't dry rubbery. It seems very dry like dry mud. When I filed it it came off very easily but didn't pull as a whole chunk so it didn't come out of the gap. in fact once i git it roughly how I wanted it the mould line scraper tidied it up nicely.

Cool, thanks for the quick reply. Did it crack like dry mud also? I'm planning on filling in some terminator legs to make them truescale and wondering if this stuff is a good fit for that job (I'm ok with doing more than one layer if required).

BrookM wrote:Just as planned..

Don't you mean...



B****** don't know about my Finecast

warboss wrote:

BrookM wrote:Just as planned..

You've been posting that alot. What exactly is that supposed to mean? It's a very cool model of Abaddon though. I don't know who bags-under-the-eyes balding dude is though.

On a more related note, has anyone who used the liquid green stuff tried filing or sanding it? How does it take that texture-wise? From the consistency, I'd guess it to be more rubbery. Does it dry completely hard like plastic?

The bald guy on the back is just the big head on charge of GW, MS. Kirby (and he is not cutte and pink)
Take a look at this http://theback40k.blogspot.com/2011/04/help-kirby-is-eating-our-hobby.html