What is your opinion of Forgeworld, and their models?

They're amazing.

Yes, I have heard all about them. I actually am ordering a few, and hope they turn out good.

I love Forgeworld stuff. Been lucky in that everything I have ordered has been cast well though I know others have had bad experiences.

That's a fairly... broad question.

Generally, I love their models. They get more freedom than the studio to make models for units that would never see the light of day - see Sentinel powerlifters, Meiotic spore mines, cargo Gnarlocs, etc.

Rules-wise, they need to step it up a bit and update their rules for new codices. The Tyranid units are basically unuseable now - Stonecrusher Carnifexes and Malanthropes both have rules and options that are not in the new codex.

People also need to lighten up on the use of non-superheavy units. With a few exceptions (which can be counted on one hand), they're perfectly fine for normal play. Just let your opponent read the unit entry before playing.

Guess what !

Great stuff. Amazing detail. Worth the cost, the effort to put them together, and the waiting for them to arrive when you order them.)

Yes, the detail is great.

As a commission painter, I love painting FW models. They make it easier on the painter to heave to on the detail. However...I don't know that I am too fond of using them in-game. Too fragile.

Forge World is a kaleidoscope of differing methods, qualities and expertise. They are akin to a man of many faces – some beautiful, some ugly, some horrifying – so it really depends on what you want and when you want it as to how Forge World will appear in your mind.

Models – Generally speaking, and of course there’s no accounting for taste, Forge World models look great. They do some really fancy stuff, and while not everything will be a hit you can be assured that you’re going to get some very nice things out of them.

Quality – This is one of those ‘many face’ things I mentioned. You know the Failcast debacle? Well the goons at GW-proper responsible for the Failcast nonsense obviously did their training for that over at Forge World because my God do Forge World have a lot of miscasts. However, it’s not all black and white. Some of this is due to mould wear, others due to the fact that 6-7 years ago they weren’t as experienced with it as they are now. The older the model the more likely it is to be horrendous, but the newer models are usually quite well engineered. There are always exceptions, and they are getting better (miscasts aside), but just be wary if you’re ordering anything Pre-Macharius tanks. Also their QA is non-existent, so be prepared to heat things up to bend ‘em back.

The Company Itself – Forge World is a strange company that tends to operate in a very different manner to GW-proper. To start with, they (along with The Black Library) seem to understand the value of advertising and previews. Rather than keeping things a tight secret for no other reason than they hate the Internet, Forge World instead embraces the world at large, shows off their upcoming models with loving enthusiasm and generally wants to get all the information out there. As the same time, they tend to forget professionalism every now and again and act as if they were just a bunch of guys making models in a friend’s garage somewhere (this extends as far out as chronic stock shortages and elongated shipping times, combined with their lack of communication with customers). So, like with their quality, you get good and bad.

Rules – This is one area where everyone who’s read FW rules is in agreement: FW rules are mostly junk. They’re often overpriced and underpowered, and generally speaking they should never show up in a competitive list. This is why the way people react to them (without reading the rules) is often so funny. People are out-and-out afraid of fighting FW stuff because they fear it isn’t balanced. They’re right about most of them not being balanced, but they’re wrong in thinking that this imbalance will make them too powerful. Often it’s the reverse – they’re unbalanced, which is why they suck. There’s the odd overpowered unit that slips through without any real testing (Meiotic Spores, Cyclops Demo Vehicles), but for the most part FW units are more a liability to your army than an asset. Plus they have editing problems, moreso than GW, IA3 being the best example of this.

Overall I like Forge World. They do stuff that GW either doesn’t or won’t, they engage with their customer base on a regular basis rather than treating them like the enemy, and while their products (rules and models) aren’t always perfect they bring a lot of fun to the game (and that’s what it’s all about at the end of the day). Now if only most 40K players would drink some concrete, harden up, and realise that most FW units won’t run over their precious NetDeck armies in a single turn then maybe we’d start seeing more fun FW units (however useless) on the table.

Worglock wrote:Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

So... this is just you being proactive now is it? Figured you’d get your same old tired mantra about a ‘GW hate thread’ in before anyone really had a chance to respond. Why? Did you have somewhere you needed to be and couldn’t be sure you’d be back later to post the same damn post you post in every single thread?

More importantly i like the "spirit" embodied by FW.

They are experimenters, creators, visionaries that take 40k and familiar models to new places from a modelling/design perspective. The little details and design decisions that make for great kits/models.

Too bad GW design studios couldn't have/is'nt allowed to have half of the spirit and creative freedom that FW has. many of FW's kits should be official plastic kits in the main 40K line...

HBMC said it way, way better than me.

All the FW stuff I have ever bought has been top notch. It is pricey, but I also strongly endorse it other than that.

Great stuff for the most part I think, you get a lot more cool stuff that I don't think GW-central would touch because it wouldn't make the sales margins.

Some issues with QC, although they have been good with replacing faulty merchandise. Although a friend of mine spent a couple of months painting up the big bloodthirster model, only for the resin to bubble afterwards and ruin it. To be fair to FW they did replace the model, but that was scant consolation, a Nurgle Bloodthirster isn't going to carry much stock on the tabletop

Of course now they are doing so much Pre-Heresy stuff, which is either a godsend, or has taken a little of the magic out of it, depending on how you look at it. Personally, I think for the mk5 armour they make alone I would go with 'godsend'

I love Forge World. I used to own a FW Tau fleet for BFG, and more recently I bought a number of Salamanders custom Rhino bits and shoulder pads for my tactical marines. I'll probably splurge a little and buy a Praetor Assault Launcher because the model is just so amazing.

They fill in the 'hobbying' gap that GW neglects more often than not. Great kits, and the Imperial Armour series is very solid with some missions and rules for special characters. Forge World is what keeps me interested in playing 40k, basically.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

So... this is just you being proactive now is it? Figured you’d get your same old tired mantra about a ‘GW hate thread’ in before anyone really had a chance to respond. Why? Did you have somewhere you needed to be and couldn’t be sure you’d be back later to post the same damn post you post in every single thread?

I had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Worglock wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

So... this is just you being proactive now is it? Figured you’d get your same old tired mantra about a ‘GW hate thread’ in before anyone really had a chance to respond. Why? Did you have somewhere you needed to be and couldn’t be sure you’d be back later to post the same damn post you post in every single thread?

I had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Amazing content added to the thread, thank you for your contribution!

On topic, I have only bought one thing from FW, a multi melta Razorback turret that I stuck on a Landraider. The quality was damn near perfect, except for some minor surface blemishes that were easily taken care of with a hobby knife. I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are. Still, not a huge issue, it is easily fixed. I'm looking forward to getting a Contemptor dread and one of the new Landraiders soon.

nectarprime wrote:I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are.

Damn straight. Forgeworld needs to invent a shipping container that keeps items in a heat-free anti-gravity field, keeping them from suffering from heat and pressure during overseas voyages.

P.S. You know all resin models, from any supplier, that ships across the pond, will likely arrive with some degree of warping, right?

-Loki- wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are.

Damn straight. Forgeworld needs to invent a shipping container that keeps items in a heat-free anti-gravity field, keeping them from suffering from heat and pressure during overseas voyages.

P.S. You know all resin models, from any supplier, that ships across the pond, will likely arrive with some degree of warping, right?

Really now? Haven't heard a single thing about Scribor models coming warped. And I've read about a few instances of people in the UK receiving warped FW models. I think a better explanation is that most of FW's parts are demolded quickly, while they are still hot and on the soft side. But, that's an argument for another thread I still think FW stuff is great.

I have ordered some brass and transfers a few months ago, and they arrived in less than a week (from the UK to the US).

Ordered my first actual resin model last Thursday or Friday, arrived in the mail on Wednesday, so less than a week to ship across the pond.

Detail was good, maybe a little more flash and mold lines than I am used to, but easy to fix with a file and knife. But honestly, the detail is simply great.

FW does come at a price, they are a bit higher priced to begin with and the conversion rate does not help. But they are great for putting some personalized touches on your army.

Will you be fine if you go your entire hobby life without every ordering anything from them? Sure, nothing they sell is needed to play the game. But they are a great source for units that have rules but no models, chapter or army specific conversions, personalized touches, or any other version of fun you can come up with.

I am looking forward to ordering a dreadnought soon....I hope.

Love there models though i'm more into metal than resin but i can't fault their creative looks. I've only ordered once and unfortunately it was a bad experience, i'll see how next turn goes before i place judgement.

I ordered
3 x sets of salamander shoulder pads (fantastic no problems)
1 x grey knight vehicle gunner
1 x chaos vehicle gunner
1 x tyberos the red wake

The grey knight gunners shoulder pads were horrible and needed returning. Tyberos was the worst though. His terminator head was basically a mismolded glunky pile of resin and the lightning claw on 1 arm was twisted spagetti and unuseable. I was disappointed due to the distance it travelled (australia) and the fact that the packets they dispatch them in are clear see through so you'd think some sort of quality control quick check would of stopped that, i mean from a quick glance you could tell he was crap. What really annoyed me though was that they requested a photo so i sent it then they rejected the photo saying we want a higher mp one just to prove the point... 7 days later they finally dispatched the parts. So while in the end i got what i wanted i think they should improve the quality checks on it a little. My brother had stuff in the same order a librarian and 10 troops. so all in all there were 2 / 7 items faulty which is higher than 10% (28.7% actually). As i said though i'll reserve judgement until next order.

Got.

Luft Huron
Rex and Retinue x 2
Thunderhawk gunship
Medusa
Sentinal Powerlifter

All are fine, no warpage. Only thing I think is a bit disappointing is the lack of directions for the larger models. My wife bought 2 pylons, 2 railgun battlesuits and a sensor tower. All were fine, minor warping.

Worglock wrote:New and interesting thread is new and interesting.

Some people really like ForgeWorld. Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

I like to call this "preheating the oven".

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Forge World is interesting. They make a lot of really terrific kits with fantastic quality. However, the customer service is a little poor. They have QC that leaves much to be desired. Some of the molds, the older ones, will deliver mediocre quality castings. The onus is on the customer to then follow up with FW for a replacement. While they are generally good about getting replacements out, this experience is not "good customer service".

Their rules are all over the place. Some are over the top fantastic, some are dubious at best. I don't see that many kits where the rules are "about right", in my opinion, but the Necron Tomb Stalker is definitely one of them.

If you can afford them, and have the patience to deal with fixing their quality, they make for very nice kit.

Ouze wrote:

Worglock wrote:New and interesting thread is new and interesting.

Some people really like ForgeWorld. Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

I like to call this "preheating the oven".

I like to call it "welcome to the ignore list". Worglock's nonsense is little more than spam now.

nectarprime wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I have heard that it's "normal" for pieces to come warped, and I find it shocking that they expect the customers to be ok with this, and that they are.

Damn straight. Forgeworld needs to invent a shipping container that keeps items in a heat-free anti-gravity field, keeping them from suffering from heat and pressure during overseas voyages.

P.S. You know all resin models, from any supplier, that ships across the pond, will likely arrive with some degree of warping, right?

Really now? Haven't heard a single thing about Scribor models coming warped. And I've read about a few instances of people in the UK receiving warped FW models. I think a better explanation is that most of FW's parts are demolded quickly, while they are still hot and on the soft side. But, that's an argument for another thread I still think FW stuff is great.

No offense, but I think a better explaination is you're basing your opinion off a small sample of people rather than, well, everything else.

Scibor stuff definitely does warp. It's resin. Heat and pressure cause warping. However, ht has the benefit of his character models being rather, well, thick for their size. Parts that warp are parts that are long and thin, like barrels, swords, etc. Same with resin bases - they don't warp much because they're quite thick and short. Saying someone makes models with a resin that doesn't warp is like saying they've found the casting holy grail.

Can we agree that there are different resins that are used, some of which are soften and thus more inclined to warp then others?

I haven't gotten any warped Ramshackle Games parts that were warped, as he used a resin that is stiffer (and more brittle). I've gotten lots of FW parts that were warped just because it's softer. I can't complain about warping, as that's just the nature of the medium.

Oh absolutely. And yes, warped resin is just going to happen, and knowing how to fix it is essential to working with it. And accepting that you'll get warped resin will save you a lot of headaches.

-Loki- wrote:Scibor stuff definitely does warp. It's resin. Heat and pressure cause warping.

It's not just resin that does that. I've had warped plastic parts.

I've got resin from a lot of companies, and the only ones that required a lot of cleaning were Micro-Art Studios and Forge World. The only company where I've had significant warping, the kind you get when you take something out of the mould too quickly (because you're acting like a garage business owner rather than a wing of a professional miniature manufacturer) are from Forge World.

Hey, you know what we haven't talked about yet? The Imperial Armour books.

I only own one book, Imperial Armour 8. I love this book. It's heavy, and just feels like it's well made. It has a rich book smell, and that kind of semi-matte finish I love. It was very expensive, and I felt like it was worth every penny. The art is good, and the story is nice. There are all sorts of neat new toys in there, and a lot of just plain fun stuff. I'm not too interested in running the campaign, but absolutely love the "build your own stompa" rules, and the grot tanks, and that sort of stuff.

I've got IA1 through 6. I think they're great ('cept IA6, which is an expensive advertisement for the Reaver Titan kit).

People buying Forgeworld seem to get a real mixed bag. Maybe it depends on the products ordered, but some people never have a problem, while others have horrendous miscasts that leave you wondering how they made it off the factory floor. I sometimes get the impression that Forgeworld is being run out of someone's private home and isn't part of a multinational company. They could really do with investing in Forgeworld, it seems to do well for itself and yet gets little support. They don't stock it in the shops, they seem understaffed and struggle a bit, that's why emails see to take ages to get a response if at all and orders can take a long time to process.

Personally, well many years ago I had a rather dodgy casting of a sentinel power lifter, the mould shift was ridiculous(1mm on a part only 3-4mm wide) but I just worked with it at the time.

Since then I've had some DKOK and a couple of nurgle figures and the quality has been tops, although I gather the time between purchase and receiving the item was pretty long (they were bought for me by wife).

I've never had to deal with their customer services, but I hear a lot about their email being virtually redundant, if you want to get something sorted out with your order you have to phone them directly.

Ouze wrote:

Worglock wrote:New and interesting thread is new and interesting.

Some people really like ForgeWorld. Some others will use this thread to spew bile and hate at GW.

I like to call this "preheating the oven".

Pre- counter-trolling?

I have a love-hate relationship with FW. I love their Elysians so much I'm married to them, I love their aircraft kits and I l-l-l-l-l-l-loooooooove their IA books for the sheer amount of background info and whatnot, not the rules though.

I hate their lacking customer services and while yes, Ead is a nice guy who does work his ass off answering the phone all day, sorry isn't helping when you're forced to wait three months for the parts to arrive. And yes, I am still bitter about that Baneblade.

But yes, grumpy old spinny Commissar said it best really.

I'll just crank out my personal experience here.

Love the models, find the prices to be a little too steep but not insurmountable as a treat, have mainly received stuff than has flaws or is warped from heat which is not on as far as I'm concerned. Still, would purchase again, and a beautiful miniatures line.

I like most of the FW stuff (although there is some that is a little OTT) and have contemplated buying some of their products in the past. But I find their prices too high for most things.

Although if I ever replace my Rhinos, I will probably by FW doors, and if I wanted a Chaos Dreadnought I would buy a FW model.

I love the DKOK sculpts and aesthetic, however for the price charged I simply cannot justify buying it. Which is a shame because I would only contemplate an IG army if it could be DKOK.

Ouze wrote:Hey, you know what we haven't talked about yet? The Imperial Armour books.

I only own one book, Imperial Armour 8. I love this book. It's heavy, and just feels like it's well made. It has a rich book smell, and that kind of semi-matte finish I love. It was very expensive, and I felt like it was worth every penny. The art is good, and the story is nice. There are all sorts of neat new toys in there, and a lot of just plain fun stuff. I'm not too interested in running the campaign, but absolutely love the "build your own stompa" rules, and the grot tanks, and that sort of stuff.

Damn how could I forget! Of course, the IA books (or at least most of them) are bloody awesome.

I quite liked 5-7 (the Vraks campaign) just because the whole story was so epic (I mean in the original sense of the word), but my favorite is probably number 3; it has the most incredible use of Space Marines (as you can imagine them being used in reality, as shock assault troops), an excellent story and reads almost like the old 'World at War' volumes in terms of the detail it goes into and the way the slow and monolithic Imperium gets comprehensively outmaneuvered by the Tau makes excellent reading.

Pacific wrote:but my favorite is probably number 3; it has the most incredible use of Space Marines (as you can imagine them being used in reality, as shock assault troops),

To a point. If the water works really were as important as the story makes them out to be they would have sent the Raptors to claim it, not the Elysians. Furthermore the experimental Tiger Shark, or as I like to call it the 'Dues Ex Machina' Pattern Tiger Shark that shows up out of the blue, kills a Titan, and is never seen again. IA3 annoyed me because of all the stupid logic holes in the plot.

Yes, the IA books are really worth it.

I really liked the Anphelion project too, really captured the nightmarish feel of the Tyranids for me, as well as the byzantine politics of the Imperium. I've got 4-7, I'd like to pick up some more at some point. Great books.

Except! They suffer from GW's trademark lack of copy-editing. Vraks keeps describing how people 'sort after' this and 'sort to' that. Sought! Terribly irritating, stuff like that.

Yes, I need to order some more IA books. And, I have never really seen Tyranids as nightmarish....

So far, all I've purchased have been a few BFG ships, but they have all been very nicely done. You just have to prepare yourself when you order something though; not only will it cost a lot, but chances are it will take a Loooooong time to get your stuff, depending on the time of year.

Then you are seeing them WRONG.

An ever-swelling, horde of soulless insectile creatures, devouring all biological matter in their way. Trap them, they'll mutate to overcome it. Kill them, more will breed in their place. A huge, swarming mass of genetically mutable killing machines that devours planets. High octane nightmare fuel in my opinion.

nectarprime wrote:Really now? Haven't heard a single thing about Scribor models coming warped.

My scibor Templar Shields were warped, but easily fixed under running hot water.

No problems with the Templar shoulder pads, but they are very small and not as likely to warp.

From what I have had from them (very little) I love there work.

The postage was allot faster than I expected, the weathering powders are brilliant and the IA painting book is an excelent book, with lots of infomation and ideas and so well made.

In terms of resin all I have from them is some Deathwing sholder pads, which are realy nice, so much detail and so interesting. I will be getting more. An added bonus for me was that the resin sprue they came on looks just like a small concreat wall, so will be used as such when I have enough to make a worthwile length to work with.

I've had good luck with the few FW items, I have purchased. But really love Imperial Armor Books.

Hey Guys, a buddy of mine and I just recently placed an order at FW somewhere in the range of 400 GBP of kits. How long should I expect for them to dispatch the kits, I'm not in a huge hurry I'm just curious. I'm not concerned about speed of shipping as I've done more than enough over seas business I've just never been the one to order from FW before.

I live in Houston, Texas and have placed two orders from them. They took 10-14 days after placing the order.

kronk wrote:I live in Houston, Texas and have placed two orders from them. They took 10-14 days after placing the order.

Thanks kronk. That's about what I expected, I'll stick with expecting about 16-18 days so I'm pleasantly surprised when it shows up. There's a doozy of a kit in there so i don't know how long they will take on that

I love forgeworld, in my opinion they do some of the best resin models out there, unfortunately the only model i have ever bought from FW was a miscast, not enough to make me angry and demand a new one, but enough to force me to spend extra time trimming and filling...and coming up with a reason why my Commissar has only one eye...

Overall i love them ^^

I want tzeentch and slaanesh stuff for my csm, stop making khorne and nurgle stuff!!!!!!!

htj wrote:I really liked the Anphelion project too, really captured the nightmarish feel of the Tyranids for me, as well as the byzantine politics of the Imperium. I've got 4-7, I'd like to pick up some more at some point. Great books.

The Anphelion project is easily my fav IA book. I love the story in that one, and the way the Tyranids just escalate and escalate and the Inquisitor is powerless to stop it.

I love me the FW. Buying a FW item is like treating yourself for doing something right. They're pricey, but not too pricey. They're pretty as all get out. But mostly it's outside of the box type stuff that the FW guys come up with that makes me love them.

Yes, I tend to only get FW when I need it. But, still, amazing.


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Has anybody ordered the Renegade Ogryns?

I love forgeworld, I feel that they are a neccessity both the IA books and models to the universe a great justice.

Another important factor - the IA books are an effective avenue for recreating the 'lost and damned' lists, lost when the Codex: Eye of Terror was pulled from the shelves. IA books 5-7 for the chaos lists, allowing players to make basic as well as Khorne and Nurgle themed chaos cultist lists. IA 9 is also a pretty good way of making a mix of human infantry and space marines - there is a great deal of potential in there for some creative and themed armies.

The sad thing is, from the number of people who still lament the loss of Codex: EOT, I think many of them are not aware of the existence of the IA books.

I really love their IA books, most of their IG models and in particular their DKOK and Imperial Guard Renegade range.

As well, the FW models that I got from people I know were of very high quality compared to their GW counterparts.

However, they are very, very, very expensive for me and I can't honestly justify buying anything directly from FW yet.

Yes, FW models are way better than GW ones.

Forge World stuff is great, I have loads of it as my gallery will attest to. Working with resin requires a different skill set to plastic or metal, and this is where the majority of complaints originate from. Ignorance of simple methods of working can lead to frustration, though I am not claiming that the quality is perfect by any means. Personally I have had very few issues that weren't solved by basic resin working methods.

The books are, as a whole really good for background but a bit underpowered/overpointed to work well in tourney situations. Yes there are some ridiculous units, but that is true for some codex stuff. I mainly have the books for the fluff, and the newer ones written by Alan Bligh are lightyears ahead in style and substance. I really enjoyed the Badab redux.

I would also recommend the modelling masterclass book to anyone looking to improve their skills, well worth the cash.

Yes, Resin is very nice, and useful.

All the models i've gotten from them so far have been detailed and amazing

I cant really add anymore to whats been said.

Amazing Models
Masterclass book is a goldmine of techinques

In terms of their customer service, in my experience its been brilliant.
All my orders..... which are 10+ have got to me in 1-3 days on average (im in the UK)

If there has been anything wrong with a part, ive rung them up and politely explained and offered to send pictures, and had brilliant service.
I think there are too many people (this isnt aimed at anyone, just my observation) that go straight on the phone/email and have an angry fit at FW for having a miscast/missing part. If you are polite with them they are more than happy to help.

And in terms of working with resin. I prefer it to other materials, but thats because i collect, not game

Dan

Have been buying more Forgeworld recently, and have literally just finished assembling the Elemental of Beasts.

Lovely kit, and only ned a little bit of gap filling around the hip region. And I'm tempted to trying and sculpt a deer style tail for it.

Only issue so far was a snapped wing for the Great Fire Dragon, and the weapon on my Bonegrinder Giant being sheered off. Both were replaced without any fuss. Just sent photo and batch ref, and the replacements turned up a few days later.

Oh, and as they replaced both wings (not just the damaged one) I have them kicking about if anyone is interested.

Elemental of Beats? Warhammer Forge?

Ogryn wrote:Elemental of Beats? Warhammer Forge?

Warhammer Forge is the new Warhammer Fantasy arm of Forgeworld. Elemental of Beasts is, IIRC, something for Storm of Magic.

I haven’t had issues with the Forgeworld products I ordered. None were miscast/badly cast and the detail was superb.

As someone who used to collect Chaos Space Marines, Forgeworlds was the only place to go for fluff rules/models partly because GW’s lack of support for non imperial factions is disgusting. I don’t regret ordering my World Eaters terminator conversion kit and my Lord Zhufor model is probably my favourite miniature out of my collection. My only wish though is that they would stop releasing rules/models for imperial vehicles and start doing ones for Chaos.

HMBC's post was pretty accurate IMO.

Though I have to say I've been lucky and not yet had anything from FW that has required me to ask for a replacement.

I'd add to the "rules are generally junk" comment that updating/rules support is also terrible. If I buy these models I expect them to be updated for new editions/FAQ'd properly and reasonably often. I've had to resort to re-writing their lists myself now.

My opinion is that the kits are too darn expensive but the models do look fantastic, no doubt about that.

Yes, but in my opinion, they are all worth it.

Love the designs and what have you, think they're absolutely stunning and make great centre pieces to a standard force, or even mind blowing armies in their own rights.

My only criticism is I'm not a fan of resin in general, I don't like the fact that you have to wait 24 hours for them to soak and clean up before you can do anything with them.

I also don't like the fact that all you get from them is a bag of bits, with no assembly instructions. You think Ikea's bad? Good luck with FW!

However, will that ever stop me buying from FW, or arrest the drool dripping off my chin when I look at their models? Will it feth

kitch102 wrote:
My only criticism is I'm not a fan of resin in general, I don't like the fact that you have to wait 24 hours for them to soak and clean up before you can do anything with them.

Toothbrush

Soapy water

sink with plug in

scrub each peice

Takes less than an hour per large squad/big beastie/titan

Then an hour or 2 in the airing cupboard to dry then ready to prime!

Happy days

I've actually never washed my Resin. Does it help?

Ogryn wrote:I've actually never washed my Resin. Does it help?

I always do. Once before, and once after trimming/ filing/ prepwork.

There is a film on the resin that you wash off to get a good coat of primer on it. If not, the paint chips later on.

FW is what it is. Good looking figures, but damn do they cost too much.

I like thier mod kits, and those IG figures, even though they seem a little small, as compared to the plastics.

Yes, the DKOK models are amazing.

I say they generally suck [Mod Edit - Please try to find a different way to express that particular sentiment.], and also share the positive aspects, as GW proper. I'm going to break my toy-spending embargo on a contemptor dread. And probably whatever Steve Whitehead does.

Forgeworld have really improved their casting, after collecting three different FW armies, the casting quality has improved hugely.

Also, I don't bother washing my resin infantry, and it's been nearly two years of regular handling and still the paint hasn't chipped or rubbed off so don't worry about not washing the resin too much if you've already primed and painted FW stuff.

Ah ok, I was told you were best soaking it over night in soapy water, rinsing the suds off next morning and leave it on your draining board to dry in the sun

So I did all that, took a tooth brush to it, and it STILL has the shiny film to it!

You must get the relic contemptor, damn sexy thing, just ordered some magnets so I can swap the arms out as and when - looking forward to get that all set up

The few bits I've had from them have been great, they're expensive, yes, but the bits I've had have been cool enough to warrant the additional price for me.

Yes, the bitz look great. WHat bitz have you gotten?

Bits was perhaps the wrong choice of word (as it has a specific meaning within the hobby), 'things' would be more accurate.

The things I ordered from them are Mk IV 'Maximus' armour marines and Tyberos The Red Wake. I had no problems with either of those, they arrived quickly and the only warping I had at all was with Tyberos' claws and considering how thin those are and how bendy resin can be I can't be I can't be angry at that.

I'm waiting for a big shipment from FW that should arrive today. I'll tell you my overall opinion on them when I finally get the box. It's about 7-8 kits all together so should be a good spread to show their quality. I'm really excited

I have love for Forgeworld as a creative entity.....but!

So far I have had nothing but poor experiences with their products. Poor fit and finish, excessive flash and deformation of the sculpt.

The fact that so many have had good experiences simple tells me that they have very hit and miss quality control.

Things have been so bad for me that, I'm sad to say, I probably wouldn't buy from them ever again. For the price you pay I think it's fair to expect a certain product quality that they simple can't provide.

Compared to companies like Studio McVey, who show you how well casts can be supplied, I don't know how Forgeworld gets away with it. I know Studio McVey only do limited runs, however, I feel it's part of the business management from Forgeworld to ensure their moulds are of a quality to produce consistant high quality finished pieces, if they can't, well fair enough, drop their prices and finally give customers what they pay for.

Deformation? I really have never found any sign of Deformation of my Forgeworld models.

kitch102 wrote:Ah ok, I was told you were best soaking it over night in soapy water, rinsing the suds off next morning and leave it on your draining board to dry in the sun

So I did all that, took a tooth brush to it, and it STILL has the shiny film to it!

You must get the relic contemptor, damn sexy thing, just ordered some magnets so I can swap the arms out as and when - looking forward to get that all set up

It's not that kind of a film. the stuff your washing off is like release agent, or something. Someone with more knowledge on the casting process could be more specific, but your not going to wash the shine off.

oh I don't know, some of the resin pieces (both FW and otherwise) did get a bit less shiny after I washed them; some release agents really can shine a bit.

myself, I've gotten about 45 marines in PH armour kits, several different PH weapon sets, 2 MK IV ironclad dreads, some autocannon dread arms and a khorne blood slaughterer (don't play chaos, but that thing is a joy to paint) from them, all were cast pretty well. some bubbles, some mold shift, but nothing I couldn't easily fix. keep in mind these are all rather new models; I haven't really gottten any experience with any older models (yet).

Wow, that's a lot of Forgeworld.

Ogryn wrote:Deformation? I really have never found any sign of Deformation of my Forgeworld models.

Having bought a dozen or so kits/component parts from them, I would say there are errors in about 25% or more, significant (i.e. in need of replacement) for 2 of those. The worst was a razorback turret which, despite only being 2 components in a small blister pach, was bent to about 80 degrees away from what it should have been! Definitely caught someone at 4.45 on a friday afternoon there I think However, they have always been very good at sending replacements, and I'm not opposed to setting to with a hairdryer and file which I think helps.

As said above me though, some of their concepts are awesome, and I love them for the fact they are doing stuff that GW wouldn't touch in a million years (old mk. armour sets, RT weapons, Chaos Dwarves etc.) And of course the IA books, which I think are wonderful. They are basically a more 'serious' option for the experienced modeller and 40k fanatic I think.

Yes, they're only for "Die Hard" fans.

Ogryn wrote:I've actually never washed my Resin. Does it help?

I have never done so and have had no problems.

Pacific wrote:The worst was a razorback turret which, despite only being 2 components in a small blister pach, was bent to about 80 degrees away from what it should have been! Definitely caught someone at 4.45 on a friday afternoon there I think

They were generous. Though that's pretty much the norm for Forgeworld. If all it was was bent, you should have just used some hot water and bent it back.

Wow, and I've heard great reviews about FW....

I was nervous when I first ordered from FW (back in 08) due to all the comments of QA issues but have yet to have any real problems. And this is after

1) 90+ Elysian Drop Troops
2) 3 Elysian Sentinels
3) Vulture
4) Valkyrie
5) 2 EC deadnaughts
6) LR extra armor
7) Mars pattern Leman Russ
8) Vanquisher turret
9) 3/2 Chimer/Leman Russ Track guards

And this is only that start. I can't wait for tax season to order more. I plan on getting a warhound when I make Sargent.

Ogryn wrote:Wow, and I've heard great reviews about FW....

Ogryn, are you secretly FW's owner or something?

'YMMV' I think is the most suitable reply to your original answer. Most likely you won't have a problem, if you do you break out the hairdryer or get a free replacement!

Ogryn wrote:Wow, and I've heard great reviews about FW....

Hit and miss. Want to see what happened to my Heirophant?

This is a miscast inside the head joint.


This is a miscast inside the torso.


The squishy bits of the front legs were all filled in (I don't have a photo of it).

The head joint and torso were fixable. An hour with my Dremel and the head fits (but will need some green stuff to fill the gaps) and the inner torso is more hollowed out, but it won't be seen when it's built anyway. The legs needed complete replacement.

@Pacific: Shh, don't tell anyone......

@-Loki-: Sorry about your Heirophant...did you get a replacement?

As I said, I got replacement front legs. The problems with the head and torso were solved with an hour of grinding away with my Dremel, since it was an inner part of the torso that won't be seen once built and painted, and the head was just an issue with resin filling the joint area. Also one of the eyes, but I fixed that myself as well.

The front legs had very obvious detail obscured. So I contacted them for a replacement. The best part is I contacted them 8 months after getting the model. I got it for Christmas last year. They just asked for the batch number, which of course, my Heirophant didn't have (it didn't have the batch sticker on the bag). I gave them the batch numbers of everything else in the order, and they sent me the replacement legs.

I've just had a Forgeworld order as a present.

The Wave serpent turret looks very nice, and seem to have no warping or bubbles in it. Assembly is a mystery, but doesn't look too difficult.

The best bit was the Modelling Masterclass book.
It's not that thick, and costs what you'd expect for a GW hardback book.
But, the tips in there look great.
Each step is laid out in clear pictures, and there's a lot of description on the techniques used.

I've not tried following anything from it yet, but the shopping list in the front looks interesting. Hairspray gets a lot of use in that book.

Skinnereal wrote:Assembly is a mystery...

And that is one of the drawbacks of Forge World. Seldom do they have instructions for their kits. Usually they have a parts list and some shots of the completed model and that's it.

Skinnereal wrote:The best bit was the Modelling Masterclass book.
It's not that thick, and costs what you'd expect for a GW hardback book.
But, the tips in there look great.
Each step is laid out in clear pictures, and there's a lot of description on the techniques used.

I've not tried following anything from it yet, but the shopping list in the front looks interesting. Hairspray gets a lot of use in that book.

Just to be clear, is this the book referenced?

Yep, that's the one. Got carried away typing the title

I think HBMC recommended that book to me a while back and I never picked it up. Perhaps... perhaps today will be the day.

Just recieved my warhound last week, and I must say I am very pleased. With the exception of a few mould slip incidents the whole of the model is very clean. Just some general filing and sanding to do before assembly/painting.

I think FW capture the 40K universe as a more grimdark place than GW does. Their miniatures are great to assemble and paint, and their background is top notch. I would have started a DKoK army if I was't a student with limited money and time.

Breotan wrote:

Skinnereal wrote:Assembly is a mystery...

And that is one of the drawbacks of Forge World. Seldom do they have instructions for their kits. Usually they have a parts list and some shots of the completed model and that's it.

Yeah. For anyone considering a more 'complex' model from Forgeworld, let me show you something.



This here is my Heirophant right out of the box. Notice how many fething bits are in the kit. Notice all the fething flash and resin pipes. See those 'blocks'? Each of those have around 5-10 spikes on them that need to be attached to various places on the body. See those straight bits attached to another block? Those are the lash whips, which you need to actually drill holes into the torsoe to attach.

The instructions I got? A part list and a shot of the completed model.

Have fun.

Just for fun, I took this shot, which is a size comparison of the torsoe to a Carnifex.

I haven't ordered any of their stuff myself but I've been thinking of ordering the Ork Kommando bits pack. I also think Elysians are some of the coolest models in 40K, but the price puts me off a bit at the moment. What I particularly like about Elysians is that they show a side to the varying levels of technology and types of tactics tactics in the Guard that perhaps isn't always emphasised so much. I've also had several games incorporating the Imperial Strongpoint board and I do think playing on a cool-looking board like that made the games even more enjoyable.

Ouze wrote:I think HBMC recommended that book to me a while back and I never picked it up. Perhaps... perhaps today will be the day.

The Modeling Masterclass is a stupidly good book, and has a permanent spot on my modeling reference shelf with FSM, Osprey's Modeling Masterclass, and the Testor's Modeling Masterclass as well.

The only thing I do not like about it is that it is a hardback, in the vein of a normal book.
Why is this a problem? It's not easy to reference it while you're working. If you have a big enough workspace, it's not a problem or if you take pictures of the page you need on a smartphone and reference those whilst you work.

It might just 'my' issue though, as I like having reference photos while I work.

I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

And looking at those Hierophant pics... yeah... there's a reason I'm never ordering one of those, and it' ain't because of the flash. It's because that massive thing is held up on four thin spikes. It's entire weight is meant to be held up buy four joints. Outside of drilling into it and putting some copper rod in there, it won't stay, and that's assuming the rest of it doesn't break on those tiny spikey 'feet'.

There's actually a note that says something to the effect of 'due to the nature of the model, it should be pinned to a base'.

It's actually not necessary. With some acrylic rods with rubber stoppers on top, you can make a kind of flying base for the model. Have two that sit inside the inner torsoe, and two that sit beneath the belly. They will hold the weight and hold it stable during a game.

This also removes the need to drill holes into the body. Well, aside from the lashwhip holes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

Yeah, I wound up googling it and it was someone else. But now I have several people saying it was really great.

If i could simply order it on Amazon, I would have long since done so.

Much lol's at that comparison shot of the heirophant or whatever to the Carnifex. That's really quite the model. I had no idea it was so huge, that's what she said.

Thought I'd throw this in here.

Are Malcador's all older kits that might be a little dodgy or have they been re-worked/mastered/wizarded so that they aren't such a gamble?

+1 to the "master class book is great" crowd, one of my favourite FW products as well

Ouze wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

Yeah, I wound up googling it and it was someone else. But now I have several people saying it was really great.

If i could simply order it on Amazon, I would have long since done so.

If you're worried about the cost of ordering it from FW, you can actually get it from Games Workshop's website, here.

O snap, I forgot you could order them there. Nice.

Personally love the look of FW stuff,

Only own IA8 so far since I'm considering starting an elysian army or a mek dread army. Flicked threw the masterclass book its really nice.

One of the things I dont like about FW (besides the cost) is that there postage is 12% for everything in the uk. Personally think this is an odd way of doing things

For my elysians 1000 points list I may as well throw in another squad or something just to get free postage...

If you like Elysians might I recommend the IA 3 book? Bloody awesome book, great story, and the Elysians feature a lot in it (in a very cool way).

Shame the Elysians are such a deadly combination of awesome looking models yet are wallet-tearingly expensive!

Pacific wrote:If you like Elysians might I recommend the IA 3 book? Bloody awesome book, great story, and the Elysians feature a lot in it (in a very cool way).

Shame the Elysians are such a deadly combination of awesome looking models yet are wallet-tearingly expensive!

Thank you for the recommendation, might pick it up in a few weeks, need to get the army sorted first.

Yea there beautiful looking models, I'm planning on making about a 1000 - 1500 point list with them, then using that list as a core for a guard army, with some changes to it.

Just need to come up with a nice scheme.

Edit: some of there stuff isnt too much more expensive, sentinels are only £3 more expensive, and tauros arent that dear. Just the troops are soo damn expensive

Better yet, why not pick up IA8?

The Elysians are the focus of it, alongside of the Raven Guard Chapter.

The list within it is also 'up to date' versus the IA3 book which is two editions old.

Kanluwen wrote:Better yet, why not pick up IA8?

The Elysians are the focus of it, alongside of the Raven Guard Chapter.

The list within it is also 'up to date' versus the IA3 book which is two editions old.

But all the Elysian Fluff is in IA3!

jokes aside, IA8 is a great purchase for Elysian players. Not so much for Raven Guard, there's only about 4 pages about them excluding the storyline. If you want the Elysian background like the Krieg background found in IA5, get IA3.

Already have IA8

Would just pick up IA3 just for the fluff, but not for a while.

Yea IA8 seems like a great book so far, the ork stuff really makes me want to start a death skullz army but have to resist.

Am I right in thinking that elysians will feature in IA11? Swear I seen them mentioned on pics from FW gd seminar?

They're going to be in IA11, but it seems that Cadians are gonna be the 'stars' alongside of the Space Wolves.

Kanluwen wrote:They're going to be in IA11, but it seems that Cadians are gonna be the 'stars' alongside of the Space Wolves.

:( i want none of those, eldar on the other hand, there my next army I think, them or orks

Salted Diamond wrote:I was nervous when I first ordered from FW (back in 08) due to all the comments of QA issues but have yet to have any real problems. And this is after

1) 90+ Elysian Drop Troops
2) 3 Elysian Sentinels
3) Vulture
4) Valkyrie
5) 2 EC deadnaughts
6) LR extra armor
7) Mars pattern Leman Russ
8) Vanquisher turret
9) 3/2 Chimer/Leman Russ Track guards

And this is only that start. I can't wait for tax season to order more. I plan on getting a warhound when I make Sargent.

Well Over the course of several years lets see.

MK IV dreadnought x2 (with weapons)
Chaplain Dreadnought with plasma cannon
Space wolves terminator upgrade kit
Blood Angels Terminator shoulder pads
Black Templar terminator shoulder pads
Etched Brass x 3 different sets
Lugft Huron
Red Scorpion honor guard
Red scorpion vanguard veterans x2
Red scorpion tactical squad x2
Commander Cullin
Space marine pre heresy bolter 1x each set
Space marine pre heresy armor x Multiples of several sets
Predator extra armour
Land raider eagle doors
rhino eagle doors
Space wolf transfers (for Kjarl Grimbloods icons) x3
Land Raider extra armour
Tyberos the red wake
Raven Guard upgrade pack
Space marine character upgrade set
Space marine special weapons pack
Space marine heavy weapons pack
Pre heresy assault squads (both types)
Contemptor Dreadnought x 2
Currently all available contemptor weapons
Dreadnought autocannons (left and right)
Dreadnought inferno cannon (conversion fun for later)
Land raider achilles
land raider prometheus
Land raider Heilos
Land Raider mk2b

And the last but not least

4 Mars Pattern Warhound titans

2 Mars Pattern Reaver titans

Next up for order
New contemptor pieces
new contemptor
World eaters terminator and power armor upgrade kit
Lord Zhufor

I love Forge World because even when they screw up a cast I call them and BAM, 3 days to a week later there's the fresh free new piece waiting in my mail for replacement and I get to chew the old crappy on into shape for conversion work. Recently their quality control has picked up so fast out of 12 orders, the last 4 have been totally issue free.

Forge world has a wonderful habbit of producing models that I enjoy and I am a very big fan of Will Hayes' work.

BTW 2 of the warhounds and 1 reaver were purchased after market and I already have my eyes on another reaver.

I can not comment on FW quality control, because I have never ordered anything from them besides their books, but:

Recently their quality control has picked up so fast out of 12 orders, the last 4 have been totally issue free.

Going four for twelve isn't exactly great.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

And looking at those Hierophant pics... yeah... there's a reason I'm never ordering one of those, and it' ain't because of the flash. It's because that massive thing is held up on four thin spikes. It's entire weight is meant to be held up buy four joints. Outside of drilling into it and putting some copper rod in there, it won't stay, and that's assuming the rest of it doesn't break on those tiny spikey 'feet'.

What's wrong with pinning? You make it sound like a last resort, I see it as par for the course for pretty much anything.

The Hierophant kit is ill-thought though. I remember seeing a few pics of sagging legs. That block of lash whips looks awful.

augustus5 wrote:I can not comment on FW quality control, because I have never ordered anything from them besides their books, but:

Recently their quality control has picked up so fast out of 12 orders, the last 4 have been totally issue free.

Going four for twelve isn't exactly great.

4/12 perfect

but we don't know how many or what kinds of defects were in the other 8. might have been minor stuff that was easy to fix.

ToI wrote:

augustus5 wrote:I can not comment on FW quality control, because I have never ordered anything from them besides their books, but:

Recently their quality control has picked up so fast out of 12 orders, the last 4 have been totally issue free.

Going four for twelve isn't exactly great.

4/12 perfect

but we don't know how many or what kinds of defects were in the other 8. might have been minor stuff that was easy to fix.

Sorry meant to be clear on this. The last 4/12 have been perfect, no mold shift, no bubbles, no warping. The other 8 any issues I had I called in and had replacement parts at no cost shipped out. The other problems I've had consisted off...

Warping issues (fixed with a ruler and some hot water)
Minor bubbles (fixed with green stuff, about the same as finecast)
Mold Shift (had this on two pieces, was able to fix both in the end but FW shipped me replacements for both anyways)
Had one shipment where I had ordered a dozen pieces and got a repeat of one item but they forgot another. That was fixed in 5 days so I got a pre heresy squad for free.

So what their QC doesn't pick up, their customer service does, and fast.

3 orders I've had my cake and got to eat it too, bubbles and warping that would've made the piece useless to any basic or new player. I called them in and got new flawless ones, then took a couple of emery boards and some green stuff and fixed em anyways.

FW's customer service does not expect you to have a great deal of modeling skill and only recently started expecting you to fix minor warping yourself, for which they provide a guide on their site.

Only BIG complaint. FW's resin is ill suited to small thin pieces, swords, axes etc. They are flimsy and weak compared to GW plastic and must be pinned, they are also very prone to warpage.

Jazz is for Losers wrote:What's wrong with pinning? You make it sound like a last resort, I see it as par for the course for pretty much anything.

I have pinned exactly one model in my entire life - an Ogryn Bone 'Ed - and that was before I discovered the power of GREEN STUFF. I no longer build anything out of metal or resin without GREEN STUFF, and I worry no longer.

But GREEN STUFF, despite its supernatural and holy powers, will not hold a Hierophant together, and thus I shall how purchase one.

I actually have not used Greenstuff yet. (Sad for me), but seeing as it looks great, I shall probably try it out soon.

Getting a FW Avatar. Hope it turns out good.

Most of this thread i've heard that FW is a lot more expenisve than GW, but i was just looking at some Battlesuits for my new Tau army, and the broadside model I love is only 5 USD more than the standard kit. Once I get my paint scheme fully Ironed out, im gonna pick up 3

Where should I begin. Forgeworld's website is very well done and everything they list there for sale is very beautifully photographed. However, I must say that my experience with them is not very good though.

I order a few pre-hearsey weapons ie the heavy bolter, lascannon, multi-melta, and plasma cannon set.Together with these I also ordered a set of pre-hearsey weapons and backpacks.

As I opened the package, I discovered that there are loads of problems with them.

Flashes I can put up with, but most of the backpack's were not well cast and has holes of insufficient "material"

Misalignments are also very horrible and it looks like they have been though a wrap gate and not been successfully regenerated after they exited...

I dont think I will be ordering from them ever again. Might post some of the pictures of these when I get home tonight to see what you guys think.

So call them up and get replacements, rather than complaining about it here.

Kanluwen wrote:So call them up and get replacements, rather than complaining about it here.

I would say that this is a place to complain about FW, this is a thread about the company and all. But this is a problem that is easily solved by calling customer service.

nectarprime wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:So call them up and get replacements, rather than complaining about it here.

I would say that this is a place to complain about FW, this is a thread about the company and all. But this is a problem that is easily solved by calling customer service.

It's a place to post complaints about the products you've received, sure.


But to pretend that it's the end of the world that you got a bad product is completely ridiculous. Their replacement policy is well-known, as is GW's proper.

Agreed on both parts.

Very simple- (mostly) great models of (mostly) great quality, average rulebooks ( very nicely made but rules leave a lot to be desired)... main problem though- price. Unfortunately I really, really can't justify to myself spending 24 pounds for one mounted model, doesnt matter how nicely made. So apart from odd second habd FW stuff, I never bought anything new off them and I doubt I ever will.

nectarprime wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:So call them up and get replacements, rather than complaining about it here.

I would say that this is a place to complain about FW, this is a thread about the company and all. But this is a problem that is easily solved by calling customer service.

Biggest issue I have with their customer service line is that it's not toll free so many of us are looking at international charges...worse if you only have a cell phone. Also, since I'm in PST and they're 8 hours ahead, I'd have to call after after 1AM. Their email responses have also been spotty as reported by many so it's not a great alternative. Not exactly the best custom experience though I hear once you do get through, they're more than helpful.

I recently ordered some stuff, one of which is the predator armor add on kit. Think the molds must be ancient as many of the rivet and smaller details on the door panels are very blurry, edges are not sharp - they look like they are somewhat melted. Been meaning to call them about it but their operating hours just don't work that well for someone with a 9-5.

As I previously said, when I sent my email through, it took about 2 weeks to get a reply. That the the longest part - initial contact. I assume they get an absolute gakload of emails.

Once I got my response, it was obviously assigned to someone on their end, because emails were very frequent. After initial contact, emails were every working day. I'd send an email in the morning and get a response either late at night or when I got up the next morning, due to time zone differences. After 3 days my parts were on their way, they were friendly about it, and only asked for the models batch number. It didn't even have one. I tired to be helpful and supplied the batch numbers from the other models I ordered, and that satisfied them.

You can email Forgeworld? Sweet...

Decided to try out the email method and fired off an email to Forgeworld last night with pics of the miscast parts of my previous order. Woke up this morning and had a response in my inbox! Took them 6 hours to respond so I was very surprised. Provided them with the batch number and got an update an hour later saying my replacement is being shipped. Thank you Forgeworld! Fingers crossed the replacement won't have the same issue but from this experience, their support is awesome!

Wow Eggroll. That's incredible based on FW's past track record. It would be great if your experience with e-mail is becoming the rule and not the 1 in 1000 times an e-mail request gets answered/ fixed.

I always get answers from my e-mails to them. I think the fastest was about 3 hours.

What is Forgeworld's email?

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't imagine me recommending a modelling anything... let alone a master class.

And looking at those Hierophant pics... yeah... there's a reason I'm never ordering one of those, and it' ain't because of the flash. It's because that massive thing is held up on four thin spikes. It's entire weight is meant to be held up buy four joints. Outside of drilling into it and putting some copper rod in there, it won't stay, and that's assuming the rest of it doesn't break on those tiny spikey 'feet'.

One of my friends mounted his on a Valkyrie flying stand to give it something other than the four points to rest on.

Just got a FW Avatar. Perfect quality.

Ogryn wrote:What is Forgeworld's email?

I used fworderenquiries@games-workshop.co.uk which is for existing orders.

Kanluwen wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:So call them up and get replacements, rather than complaining about it here.

I would say that this is a place to complain about FW, this is a thread about the company and all. But this is a problem that is easily solved by calling customer service.

It's a place to post complaints about the products you've received, sure.


But to pretend that it's the end of the world that you got a bad product is completely ridiculous. Their replacement policy is well-known, as is GW's proper.

Where's my replacement Lucius Baneblade?

In a time machine?

I've had a few problems with some FW models. But in light of the amount of orders I placed with them last year, about 10k, it's not that big of a deal. In each case they fixed the problem with little or no hassle.

GW and FW seem to have the same attitude about fixing problems. Their CS is top notch.

Kanluwen wrote:In a time machine?

You're on a good standing with FW, can't you do something about it? I still have the Lucius turret and the bolter turrets, about the only parts that were salvageable.

I don't think there's really anything that could be done, Brook.

As a wise man said once:

"Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor not a Necromancer!"

It saddens me to no end then.

What happened? Outside of working on it before providing photos, which to them means they can't see it's condition on arrival, I haven't heard of Forgeworld refusing a replacement.

The top of the hull was bent upwards, making it impossible to affix it to the hull and put the turret on top. They told me to heat it up and bend it into shape, which resulted in the piece snapping into two pieces. I tried getting into contact with them several times, even asked if GW Amsterdam could help out, but they even ignored an official GW store.

BrookM wrote:The top of the hull was bent upwards, making it impossible to affix it to the hull and put the turret on top. They told me to heat it up and bend it into shape, which resulted in the piece snapping into two pieces. I tried getting into contact with them several times, even asked if GW Amsterdam could help out, but they even ignored an official GW store.

I had a similar issue, emailed them, and they sent me an entire new unit a week later.

If they actually did say that, you should have simply refused and said "If I do that and It doesn't work, you wont refund me because it will look like a mistake on my part"

If it was bent, you tried to fix it and it then snapped and you sent them an email afterwards, you cant expect a replacement.

Either way, its either gak luck or an anomaly, because I find their customer service to be bang on.

Wow Brook, that is messed up :/ Sorry to hear that you had that experience with FW.

I'm sorry to hear that...

Well, I just purchased 2 epic reaver titans & 2 epic shadowswords, and my opinion is - meh.

The castings were mostly OK, but one of the shadowswords had a gaping hole where one of the exhausts should be, and one of the titan carapaces had a horizontal hole in it.

What also bugged me was the sheer amount of excess resin - huge blocks of it - sometimes bigger than the parts themselves. Also the level of release agent was crazy, it was so bad, that some bits would slip out of my fingers when I tried to pick them up.

Anyway I got replacements sorted out quickly & easily (they replaced the entire order, which was nice), but even the replacements had some (different) problems, but I have enough good pieces to build the models, so no problem really.

Well Jayce I did say older kits would have problems. I do not lie.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well Jayce I did say older kits would have problems. I do not lie.

I wish now I had taken heed of your wise words

Seriously though, you were right on the mark. I'm just thankful that the problems weren't a lot worse.

Sounds pretty good, Jayce the Ace. Except for the miscasts....

I love their aircraft models. I want a Thunderhawk for my ultramarines, and the Eldar kits make me want an Eldar army even more.

Well, may be ordering the new Pheonix Lord.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well Jayce I did say older kits would have problems. I do not lie.

Seems to be the way. I'm doing a sentinel powerloader I had some years ago, Kan asked me about it in another thread, it was shocking. Sculpting a bit crude and irregular, resin finish a bit rough in texture, and the mould slippage was beyond. It was so bad on some parts of the claws, I guess a lip of about 1mm which is quite a bit on a part only 3-4mm wide. Took some imagination to cut and file that to shape.

Did you save the model?

Never had a miscast item but had plenty bits missing or mispacked. Sorted out quickly though. Put a new order in on friday so fingers crossed

Ogryn wrote:Did you save the model?

The powerloader? Yes I mentioned it because I've just been working on it, you can see it finished in my gallery.

I guess I've been pretty lucky in that regard. I got a Stormtrooper Chimera commander and converted him into my Creed, and my buddy got a bunch of FW stuff (like a IW Dreadnought, among other things). No miscasts or excess mold release agent to be found. I'm really sorry to hear about half of your stories, though; especially Brook!

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Ogryn wrote:Did you save the model?

The powerloader? Yes I mentioned it because I've just been working on it, you can see it finished in my gallery.

The little orange acrylic lights on top of it really sell it. Can't even tell there were casting issues.

Really good models and books but overpriced.

But worth it.

So much yes. Just yes. YES.
That is my opinion.

Which kits have you purchased?

I used the blocks on the bottoms of my dkok grenadiers to make concrete dividers for my heavy squads;
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Yeah I'm saving those pieces for concrete junk too. I don't normally save excess chunks of sprue rubbish but those bits jumped out as useful.

-Loki- wrote:
The little orange acrylic lights on top of it really sell it. Can't even tell there were casting issues.

Thanks! But take my word for it there were... but the weathering and more disguises it. Also the resin was quite grainy, it was cream coloured and seemed a bit coarse. Other FW products I've had more recently are cast with a dark grey resin and are much smoother, so I've been much happier with them especially my DKoK and Nurgle stuff.

zariart wrote: I used the blocks on the bottoms of my dkok grenadiers to make concrete dividers for my heavy squads;
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those remind me of the construction dividers on freeways here in California. much like these ones here(ours are a bit taller I think) http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site207/2011/1005/20111005_102343_SX06-PRAIN_500.jpg

Some nice looking DKOK there.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

-Loki- wrote:
The little orange acrylic lights on top of it really sell it. Can't even tell there were casting issues.

Thanks! But take my word for it there were... but the weathering and more disguises it. Also the resin was quite grainy, it was cream coloured and seemed a bit coarse. Other FW products I've had more recently are cast with a dark grey resin and are much smoother, so I've been much happier with them especially my DKoK and Nurgle stuff.

My Heirpohants torso is that creamy, coarse resin. I was assuming they used it for larger parts that weren't likely to be flexed, but ising it on Sentinel parts doesn't jibe with that.

The dividers in the traffic pic are exactly what I was thinking.
I have not had issues with bad casts with forgeworld except for what seemed to me excess membrane between arms and torsos. On imperial guard I could determine it easier than on for,example; Nurgle.

Putting together my Toad Dragon tonite, does seem to be more release agent than usual.

Learned from experience just to dump the pieces into a bucket of 3/4 water and 1/4 simple green and let it soak for a couple of days, then lighting clean with a soft brush and rinse. Gets it all off without much scrubbing. For our Games Day projects, I often have 5 buckets of FW pieces soaking in my bathroom. Annoys my wife.)

So lucky...what army is he used in again? Sorry, Im not that great with Fantasy.

It's used in a Warriors of Chaos or Daemon army.

I've actually been pondering buying Tamurkhan, mostly because I want the Toad Dragon itself as a scroll of binding creature. I love the model.

Just got the new Warhammer Forge book and very impressed - its not a small amount of money but iI think its well worth if -especially when yuo look at what you are getting for the price of two codexes / Army Books.

I have all the IA books as well - and they are lovely

Have some FW models but not huge amount and like the ones I have - lots of Battlefleet Gothic and IA/TA aircraft

I like what FW offers a lot. My Landraider is superexpensive now but with its extraarmour, multimelta Razorback turret and ImpFists door set just looks super spiffy and is thus my favorite model. Still, I would most likely never bother in buying a large complex kit from them as I am not keen on all the work involved even after you reclaimed defective parts. Saw that in the DE Tantalus a friend ordered just some weeks ago in our last order. Major warpage in parts that I am doubtful you can straighten out precisely like the large Aethersails. I had to send FW pictures (couldn´t describe the defects well enough over the phone) and so far they haven´t replied (only yesterday so still patient).

Well, my experiences with their customer service have always been great. Sometimes you think they don't answer when in fact a whole new set is actually on the way to you.

If you really don't get any answer, post the pic on their fb wall and ask what you're supposed to do with that miscast.

How do you contact Forgeworld again? Can't seem to find their number anywhere...

Ogryn wrote:How do you contact Forgeworld again? Can't seem to find their number anywhere...

Bottom of the frontpage, indeed slightly hard to spot amid everything else: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Contact.html.

Ogryn wrote:How do you contact Forgeworld again? Can't seem to find their number anywhere...

Hot soapy water and a toothbrush (that you're not ever going to put in your mouth).

they do not sell the death korps commisar anymore... so weird... or has he gone to some other category? :p I love death korps and forgeworld alltogether. They might be expensive, way more than GW but at least they have some strange feel over their models which makes it all so good. They are yeah great. got my commisar, painted him up and every time I look at that guy I think, man I love forgeworld just for that!

I think I might have to sig this...

The Death Korps Commissars are currently being repackaged. The molds were worn out, so while they're being remastered FW is taking the opportunity to bundle them together. You'll be getting all 3 DKoK Commissars in one pack. The standing one drawing his sword, the standing one with his pistol drawn and looking menacing, and the Tank Commissar.

Inquisitor Solomon Lok and the Technical Servitor from the Anphelion Project book are undergoing the same 'repackaging' as the molds were worn out.

Kanluwen wrote:I think I might have to sig this...

The Death Korps Commissars are currently being repackaged. The molds were worn out, so while they're being remastered FW is taking the opportunity to bundle them together. You'll be getting all 3 DKoK Commissars in one pack. The standing one drawing his sword, the standing one with his pistol drawn and looking menacing, and the Tank Commissar.

Inquisitor Solomon Lok and the Technical Servitor from the Anphelion Project book are undergoing the same 'repackaging' as the molds were worn out.

thanks!

Good to hear so, thought some things really dissapeared, like the tyranid shimneys, are they being repackaged as well?

Tyranid Chimneys and a lot of terrain are looked at being "redesigned".

They're going to be trying new terrain casting techniques to try to bring down prices, but no guarantees on what will or won't be made. They're apparently happy with how the RoB tile is selling and are looking at doing one RoB tile and one or two separate terrain pieces per book if they can manage it. They actually recently hired on a "terrain designer" as well, so they are taking this seriously.

Oh. Disclaimer:
This does not necessarily mean that the Spore Chimneys or other pieces will be brought back. The molds for those are effectively "ancient", and when they've come back onto the site for a short time it's because they've located unsold stock in their warehouses that they deemed acceptable for sale. They've destroyed quite a few which weren't acceptable for sale, from my understanding.

Well lets just hope for the best.

After all I love forgeworld!

Chalk up another good experience with Forgeworld.

During the Christmas rush, I placed an order late on December 1st for a Wight King BSB and Throne of Chaos. I checked their site for two days, and it was despatched on December 3rd, so I had little hope that I'd get it before Christmas. My order last year took 3 weeks from despatch date, but that was done far before the 'Christmas cutoff'.

My fiancee picked me up last night, and she had a huge brown box with her. 11 days from despatch to arriving in Australia during the Christmas rush. Awesome.

The Wight King has no miscasts that I can see. I was worried because the bottom of the back of the flag and the bottom of his skirt seemed roughly cast, but the reference pucture on their site is the same.

Throne of Chaos is a stunning book. I'll forgive the usual Forgeworld typos just on the quality of the actual book and art. Simply amazing.

I've just received an Elysian melta squad, a Krieg heavy mortar and a load of shotgun vets.

The only thing I noticed is that the shoulder pads for the Elysians are wafer thin.
Might be thinner than they are supposed to be but then they might not.
I don't know, they look fine.

My only issue isn't a ForgeWorld quality issue, I love the Elysians but I hate their helmets.

That means I am going to have to buy a ton of heads from somewhere,

My wish list on FW is over 600 quid at the moment and that doesn't include the duplicates I will need.

Kanluwen wrote:

They're going to be trying new terrain casting techniques to try to bring down prices,

Yeah, right....

Kanluwen - Tyranid Chimneys and a lot of terrain are looked at being "redesigned".

They're going to be trying new terrain casting techniques to try to bring down prices, but no guarantees on what will or won't be made. They're apparently happy with how the RoB tile is selling and are looking at doing one RoB tile and one or two separate terrain pieces per book if they can manage it. They actually recently hired on a "terrain designer" as well, so they are taking this seriously.

Oh. Disclaimer:
This does not necessarily mean that the Spore Chimneys or other pieces will be brought back. The molds for those are effectively "ancient", and when they've come back onto the site for a short time it's because they've located unsold stock in their warehouses that they deemed acceptable for sale. They've destroyed quite a few which weren't acceptable for sale, from my understanding.

Where the heck do you get this info dude? I would be VERY interested to know - and to keep totally to myself if you divulged.

Does your Mom clean the Factory or something??

I love Forge World models. I have two Broadsides and four Crisis Suit models and haven't had one peoblem with them

filbert wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

They're going to be trying new terrain casting techniques to try to bring down prices,

Yeah, right....

More likely to bring down their COSTS. I doubt any savings will be passed on to customers.

Does this mean they might finally get around to joining the 21st century and will be employing a pressure-casting setup?
It would help to eliminate some of their more egregious casting issues.

akira5665 wrote:

Kanluwen - Tyranid Chimneys and a lot of terrain are looked at being "redesigned".

They're going to be trying new terrain casting techniques to try to bring down prices, but no guarantees on what will or won't be made. They're apparently happy with how the RoB tile is selling and are looking at doing one RoB tile and one or two separate terrain pieces per book if they can manage it. They actually recently hired on a "terrain designer" as well, so they are taking this seriously.

Oh. Disclaimer:
This does not necessarily mean that the Spore Chimneys or other pieces will be brought back. The molds for those are effectively "ancient", and when they've come back onto the site for a short time it's because they've located unsold stock in their warehouses that they deemed acceptable for sale. They've destroyed quite a few which weren't acceptable for sale, from my understanding.

Where the heck do you get this info dude? I would be VERY interested to know - and to keep totally to myself if you divulged.

Does your Mom clean the Factory or something??

Their Facebook page?

It's not exactly a trade secret.

Prices come down? I'll believe it when I see it.

Okay, put together my medusa from awhile back, and I have a problem. The gun shield is very warped, and the gun itself doesn't fit the gun shield. Either the gun in their picture has been lifted off the platform about 2 times the height mine is, or they've photoshopped it.

Instructions are very vague for most of the forgeworld stuff, which is one of my only quibbles.

Ah - I actually wasn't aware they had a Facebook page Kan.

Probably because I am fairly new to GrimDarkness, and using FB for anything other than keeping in touch with friends.

Thanks

It's okay, Akira. They certainly don't forget they have a FB page though--it's working fairly well for them too it seems, as people outside the UK with issues can post about it and then they get told to email the relevant information to them.

I did notice that the Inquisitor Solomon Lok and the Technical Servitor were gone from the list and wondered about that. Thanks from me and others for that info.I will be checking the fw fb page now.

Just put together my Infernal Command today. No flaws whatsoever, and great models.

Amazing quality models, never had an issue with their finecast. They are also quicker with deliveries than GW in my experiance. Love them.

Thatguy91 wrote:... never had an issue with their finecast...

They don't make finecast.

I really enjoyed all of the hilarity when Forgeworld shipped a couple of models on 'sprues', giving GW's mold technique a go, and everyone started screaming over them using finecast material.

Ogryn wrote:What is your opinion of Forgeworld, and their models?

Think of it like the hook-blade - it's an extension of games-workshop's modelling arm.

They produce models that go that little step further than the games-workshop studio. Their models look real, not showy [which ultimately makes them look more showy, but shush.]

The only problem for new modellers is this: the parts do not go together as you expect them to. By that, I don't mean the parts don't fit together, I mean don't expect super glue to work quickly - You will have to use epoxy putty. [I say epox because you might not use green stuff.]

Really? I've never had issues using superglue on Forgeworld stuff. They've needed pinning, like metal models, but superglue has worked fine.

Likewise, superglue is just fine provided you washed the parts (which you should be doing with all resins).

I love the conversion kits they do, added details kits, the extra's etc and am going to buy a few bits from there to see what they're like.

price wise they are a little pricey, but they do some cracking kit

How is their BFG stuff. Just ordered some Space marine Ships and probably should have asked here first...

I ordered some Grey Knight Cruisers and Gladius Frigates

Has anyone recently ordered rhino or land raider doors for FW? I'm hesitant to order them seeing as I've heard bad things but that was a while back and I am curious to see if the quality has improved.

Also, any info on the Venerable Dreadnought line and the LR spaced armour would be awesome.

They're still not so great for the older versions. The Minotaurs, Astral Claws, etc are all supposed to be pretty good.

Land Raider Spaced Armor is being remastered, last I heard.
Venerable Dreadnoughts--you need to be specific about. What info?

I'm looking at buying the Space Wolf Venerable Dread and basically 1 of each of the options. How are the weapons? How is the body? Are we talking high quality casts (like my Barracuda) or lower quality casts (like the aforementioned doors).

Woudl I better off (quality wise) buying the LR doors for my space wolves or should I go with the etched brass?

Last time around I ordered some fist doors, pretty sure they where rhino.

They seemed to be fine. They were for a friend I just looked to make sure they weren't miscast.

Their etched brass stuff is AMAZING though.

edit:
Have some questions of my own. I kinda wanna go all out on my next chimeras. Anyone have an experience with the doors, side armor, interior detail kits, and track guards and if they fit the new plastic kits?