http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Games_Day_UK_2011.html

Tamurkhan - The Throne of Chaos £45.00

.. damn, and I thought this show might be a bit cheaper for me...

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought £32.00

Mk1c Deimos Pattern Rhino £33.00

OMG! Old Rhino!

That's awesome.

While I like the older rhinos, you can still get the original ones on ebay for less than $50 USD. This one looks beefier, but I'll pass.

I'm loving the Relic Contemptor. I'm guessing it will have venerable or something else to make it stay alive longer. Perhaps it's invulnerable save is bumped from a +5 to a + 3 or +4?

That rhino is win! Love the chunky exhausts.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

OMG! Old Rhino!

That's awesome.

Totally agree Wasn't I just day dreaming about this in the Proteus thread? Better than I could've asked for, honestly. The price is a bit much, unless it comes with a rhino kit.

But wait.. They really couldn't include the top hatch? The top hatch was important. And the lights were just little holes. Not lights. Might just pick up and old rhino on ebay...

Editeditedit: WHY THE HECK HAVEN"T WE GOTTEN A CHAOS CONTEMPTOR

I really love the look of that rhino!

Relic Contemptor is nice.

Deimos can be ignored by me.

Forge world King of rip offs.

Aren't there some very decent parts kits that "just happen" to fit over the current rhino that "makes it sort of look like" the old pattern rhino, that cost about a fifth of this?

I will agree that the relic contemptor looks cool.

-Eric

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

Great post A+++ Will Reply Again

That new rhino looks totally boss. Price is really steep for a 35 point transport though. Relic contemptor is just a busier contemptor, but that's cool.

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

Uh, okay. You totally win this thread

The mk1 is nice, but as ^^ he said, I'd think I'd just pick up the Chapterhouse Studios kit. I have a few of the old rhinos, but the proportions are all off compared to the new rhino kit, this and the CHS one fix that but keep the same aesthetic.

Will be nice for all of those pre-heresy armies out there to have some rhinos for all those beautiful troops!

I honestly have no idea why FW is on this 90s retro kick. There are so many old-style plastic Rhinos around. Hell, I've even got a few hiding in boxes somewhere. I guess it's time to dust them off and toss them up on eBay.

I do like the old rhino. I certainly appreciate FW bringing back the old look. Not enough to buy anything mind you, but in general.

Grant you I like Forgeworld, but as a friend and I have realized... It is a troll that creates amazing works of art and then gets drunk and gang rapes your wallet.

DIG the newold (trademark!) Rhino kit. I'm loving this stuff! And the thing I like about it most is that it keeps the "body" of the current kit which really looks sized for 10 marines, while bringing back the aesthetic of the old one. Super awesome! Rounded Predator turret next week, anyone?!?!

Really like the old rhino, hope they do an old predator now too, with the bubbly dome top turret

The old Rhino is butt-ugly. Sorry.

Tamurkhan?

Mind the elbows chaps...nothing personal!

To each their own...

I've been buying up old school rhinos for my Crimson Fists, using the fluff of the destruction of their fortress requiring them to scavenge older materiel until their Forgeworld (lol) could bring in new equipment.

If only I had known these were on the way. Still that $50 price tag is pretty steep for a DT. Any word on whether it's a conversion kit or includes the rhino with the bits?

I like the Old looking Rhino, i also ike the look of this.




Still I do not like it enough to cough up a ridiculous amount of cash for it though, 80 quid !!

I'm really hoping that it isn't ~50$ for one rhino conversion kit. I'm working on a pre-hersey army and this will fit in perfectly with some of my other MK1 rhino conversion kits. If that's the price with a rhino, I'd probably buy myself an entire army of them.

I'm glad I was awaiting for Contemptor autocannon arms before ordering, that Relic dread is pretty awesome and will fit into my BA army easily. GS a Blood drop over the Aquila's eagle and I'm in business. I've heard rumors that the Contemptors maybe included in the next SM codex. Anyone else hear this ? I'm planning on running these guys as regular dreads in my pre-heresy force and I'm a little concerned about dropping ~200$ on a 3 FW models that may change how I can use them in the next codex. I know the SM codex is a ways off, but never the less it would suck to have these awesome models and have my opponents complain about wysiwyg issues.

I haven't been able to find a good reference picture, but can contemptors claim a cover save behind a rhino, or would it not be obscured enough ?

Interesting, I wonder what else is planned for the Contemptor, more specifically and beyond what has already been implied! I want to buy one now, but I don't want to be blind-sided by something new that I would have rather bought in the first place! Hmmm, my wallet will thank me for being patiant. The retro Rhino kit is cool, but I think a completely new model would have been more interesting, it would also be more expensive, so oh well. You could actually add the CHS's vents to the FW kit, haha.

From the FW News Flash email:

The MkIc Deimos Pattern Rhino, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a complete resin and plastic kit, containing a standard Games Workshop Rhino kit as well as sufficient resin conversion components to construct the MkIc Deimos Pattern variant. Priced at £33, this fantastic kit will be on sale in limited quantities at Games Day UK, well in advance of its general release date.

So it is a rhino + conversion kit for £33

...meh. I really like pretty much all the other PH stuff (hell, I'm building an army pretty much out of the 'older' mark stuff) - but I'm underwhelmed with the Rhino.
don't get me wrong, I like the doors, and the grated steps beneath them; there's just too many dissimilarities (grates on front and back of sides, for example?) and some weird-ass exhausts for me to replace my 5 CH-PH-Rhino-kit-fitted Rhino hulls with these. shame. it could've been much, much better.
oh well, I guess my wallet is thankful, it's still dreading replacing my MK.IV dreads bought a month before the contemptor was first unveiled with some of those, haha.

You'd think that for $50 they'd at least toss in some of that retro hand railing that the old Rhinos had.

Saw that rhino coming. It still super cool.

It looks like FW couldn't decide if they wanted to give it the sloped predator front or the double door rhino front and said "both!" I think the Proteus captures the retro feel better than the Mk1 Rhino. It is cool, I just don't think it says Mk1 rhino as much as it should.

I think the old rhino looked pretty bad, this new-old one is an aesthetic improvement in my eyes while retaining the "old school" feel.

I agree completley with what ph34r said. It is an interpretation of what the old school rhino 'would' have looked like if the design team had had access to todays technology. It is basically the same as the contemptor in this way, old model, completley revamped but still maintaining the old school feel.

Relic comtemptor looks great! Glad I put off buying the normal one now

I'm still holding out for hopefully Chapter specific Comtemptor dreads, but that Relic looks tempting.....

Chapter specific Contemptors will come eventually. I'm fairly confident of that.

I love all of this stuff... everything!

It just sucks that if I get to the point of pulling the trigger on buying a Contemptor, or a LR, that there maybe be a chapter specific or other 'fancy' look variant coming out.... I paint BA, so had I caved and ordered Contemptors a few months ago as I was sorely tempted to, I would have been kicking myself today myself as the relic version is much more in line with the BA aesthetic...

Not that I see much they can do about the situation... they can't release everything at once obviously. Frankly, it is only a problem because FW has been doing such a great job lately!

While I love the MkI rhino, I'm not terribly happy with the the conversion kit. In the end it is and just looks like a MkII playing dress up.

Here the full text of the FW News Flash:

Hi there,

With Games Day UK only three days away, we’ve got three more exclusive pre-release items to announce today. As with the other exclusive releases we’ve revealed in the last few days, these will be on sale at Games Day UK in limited numbers. So without further ado…


Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos on sale at Games Day UK

The first of our exclusive Games Day UK pre-releases is the eagerly awaited Warhammer Forge expansion book, Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos.

This book retells the brutal conquests and bloody battles of the Chaos Warlord Tamurkhan and his horde in their quest to attain the favour of the Dark Gods. In this 208 page, full-colour, hardback book you will find: the saga of Tamurkhan the Maggot Lord, lavishly illustrated and darkly detailed; an extensive bestiary section and a campaign system allowing you to fight the battles of Tamurkhan’s horde in games of Warhammer.
The book also contains The Legion of Azgorh, a fully playable Chaos Dwarf Army list, as well as rules for playing massive battles with forces drawn from all the different Chaos Army books.

Printed on high quality paper, which gives an amazing depth to the full colour artwork, each page is richly embellished with finely detailed illustrations. Full colour maps reveal never-before-seen vistas of the landscape and geography of the Warhammer world. The hardback, leather-effect binding, embossed with gold lettering, has been designed to emulate the faded binding of an arcane tome, down to the inclusion of the classic red silk-effect page marker.

Tamurkhan: Throne of Chaos will be on sale in limited numbers at Games Day UK, priced at £45. Forge World’s Book design team will be on hand throughout the day to autograph your copy, and explain how they put together this amazing book.


Relic Contemptor Dreadnought

Hot from the resin mines comes Simon Egan’s latest creation, the Relic Contemptor Dreadnought.

Given the rarity of the Contemptor-pattern chassis, it is not uncommon for those Chapters blessed enough to count these ancient war machines amongst their arsenal to embellish their armoured sarcophagus with scripture, honour scrolls and additional details to commemorate the heroism and indomitable valour of the Ancient enshrined within.

Fully compatible with the rest of our Contemptor weapons, the Relic Contemptor has been sculpted with a high level of detail, making the perfect painting project and a fantastic centrepiece to any Space Marine force. On sale in limited numbers from our Sales stand, the Relic Contemptor costs £32.


MkIc Deimos Pattern Rhino

The ubiquitous Rhino Armoured Personnel Carrier is a mainstay of the Space Marine Chapters, and has been in continuous use for ten thousand years. Its true origins are more distant still, and ancient records mention the RH1-N-0 Tracked Exploration and Multi-Purpose Defence Vehicle STC accompanying explorator missions during Mankind’s Golden Age. Re-armed and re-purposed for military use, the Rhino has remained a mainstay of the Imperium’s might over the millennia since.

There are many known patterns and designs of this robust vehicle, and the MkIc Deimos Pattern Rhino is among the oldest variants, first issued en-masse to the Astartes Legions of the Great Crusade. This pattern is armed with two turret-mounted bolters, slaved to the target-logis systems of the Rhino’s machine spirit rather than the more common pintle-mounted storm bolter seen on both the earlier MkIb Mars Pattern vehicle and the later MkIIc design that became more common after the Horus Heresy.

The MkIc Deimos Pattern Rhino, designed by Daren Parrwood, is a complete resin and plastic kit, containing a standard Games Workshop Rhino kit as well as sufficient resin conversion components to construct the MkIc Deimos Pattern variant. Priced at £33, this fantastic kit will be on sale in limited quantities at Games Day UK, well in advance of its general release date.

Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World

I especially like this part:

Forge World’s Book design team will be on hand throughout the day to autograph your copy, and explain how they put together this amazing book.

Can someone ask for a Rick Priestley autograph?

I really hope they do a dome-topped Predator next. That would be awesome.

Kanluwen wrote:Deimos can be ignored by me.

'Ignored'? That's an interesting choice of words there Kan. Why 'ignored'?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Deimos can be ignored by me.

'Ignored'? That's an interesting choice of words there Kan. Why 'ignored'?

He has such contempt for it, not buying it isn't enough. He must ignore it's existence. Even other player's Deimos shall be ignored.

"My Deimos rhino shoots at your squad..."

"What Deimos rhino?"

"This one right here."

"I don't see anything. Cheater."

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

You, sir, with all due respect, totally need to get a grip.

Sarpedon_702 wrote:It is a troll that creates amazing works of art and then gets drunk and gang rapes your wallet.

Sarpedon, on the other hand...this statement is just sheer WIN!

I regret buying my Contemptor now, but I'll be able to use plastic parts to "relic"-ise it.

Love the Rhino - can't justify buying it or the LR when I bought the old versions of both way back when they were still on the shelves...

Padre^.

this rhino is just one more step to the inevitable Heresy expansion

Hate the Rhino, love the Contemptor.

kronk wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Deimos can be ignored by me.

'Ignored'? That's an interesting choice of words there Kan. Why 'ignored'?

He has such contempt for it, not buying it isn't enough. He must ignore it's existence. Even other player's Deimos shall be ignored.

"My Deimos rhino shoots at your squad..."

"What Deimos rhino?"

"This one right here."

"I don't see anything. Cheater."

I love you so much right now Kronk.

But to answer your question HBMC: it's just not something I could ever see myself buying. Hence, it's ignored in my purchase prospects.

I have lists of things that I "have to" buy and things I "want to" buy.
Everything else gets pretty much ignored.

Ok, as long as it wasn't one of those "I reject your reality and substitute my own" moments where you simply refuse to acknowledge its existence within the fluff.

Love the Old School Rhino.

Like the 'Relic' Contemptor - not as much as I'd thought.

The 'original' Contemptor still works better for me.

And I'm not so sure we'll ever see Chapter/Legion specific Contemptors...

Kanluwen wrote:
I love you so much right now Kronk.

Back at ya, bro.

I honestly would rather just have the original old school one.

I do like that relic contemptor. I've been waffling on it. I'll probably pick that up when IA:11 comes out.

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

The plastic kit and resin add on for the rhino from forgeworld is $3US less than it costs for me to buy the regular rhino from my local GW here in Oz.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

The plastic kit and resin add on for the rhino from forgeworld is $3US less than it costs for me to buy the regular rhino from my local GW here in Oz.

No offense, but that's kinda funny.

I have been waiting for this Rhino for 4-5 years now

Need pics

Besides New'crons, the thing I'm most excited about for GDUK this year is all the photos of painted Chaos Dwarfs I hope we'll see.

Chowderhead wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

The plastic kit and resin add on for the rhino from forgeworld is $3US less than it costs for me to buy the regular rhino from my local GW here in Oz.

No offense, but that's kinda funny.

Kind of a sad indictment on regular GW prices in Australia...

Expected, longed for, perfect execution.
We have to remember that FW does not, and is repeatedly stating so, make 'stuff for the kids' but expert kits for experienced modellers. Hence the price.
It will be interesting to see what FW will do with the Great Crusade and the Heresy, and before you start off at that FW have said that they -will- cover the crusade and the heresy but that it's so far in the future that it's not worth discussing for now.
I mean they have not started work on the non model side of it yet, not even planned it in. but it WILL be around in the future.

Give me ten of everything.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I really hope they do a dome-topped Predator next. That would be awesome.

+1 This would be of great interest!! I'd also like to see some Chaos take-offs on the Contemptors (though easy enough to modify).

AJC

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Editeditedit: WHY THE HECK HAVEN"T WE GOTTEN A CHAOS CONTEMPTOR

A good question indeed...

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Games_Day_UK_2011.html

now updated

.. Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition £26.00 & Imperial Emplacement as well.


.. The latter looking to me as being.... somewhat... similar to the old fixed Basilisk Emplacement they used to do.

Hazzah! Knew if I kept my old Rhinos someday they'd be cool again!

Still not sold on that dread though!

Nice, Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition is up for pre-order as well! I will totally get this when it comes out!

MDizzle wrote:Forge world King of rip offs.

A 5-man squad of resin MK-whatever marines costs me less from Forgeworld (inc shipping) than going down to my local GW and buying a 5-man combat squad off the shelf (not counting petrol to get to the shopping centre). "Rip off" is a matter of perspective...

reds8n wrote:http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/Games_Day_UK_2011.html

now updated

.. Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition £26.00 & Imperial Emplacement as well.


.. The latter looking to me as being.... somewhat... similar to the old fixed Basilisk Emplacement they used to do.

Pictures:

Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition £26.00



Imperial Emplacement £22.00

Love the Rhino and the Dread. Glad I didn't buy the regular pattern contemptor, actually it was a little plain looking. This new one is just right. The Rhino I really like, but at it's price I couldn't see my self buying one, let alone the 6 or 7 I'd need to field in a game. Still a predator version of this would be badass.

Yay! More terrain for a theme table!

I dunno boys, to me, you can afford it or you can't, you want it or you don't. FW prices are what they are... Don't get me wrong, I wish they were cheaper too, but saying 'rip off kings' seems a bit much...

Example: I would love a nice Ferrari. I do not call them rip-off kings just because I can't afford one. It is a luxury product, I recognize that... the price is not just reflective of the materials and labor, you are also paying for prestige and luxury. If you are willing to pay, then that is how much it is worth...

May as well put the Latest Forge World Newsletter here:

Hi there,
With Games Day UK looming on the horizon, we’ve got more exclusive pre-release items to announce today. As with the other exclusive releases we’ve revealed in the last few days, these will be on sale at Games Day UK in limited numbers.

Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition on sale at Games Day UK
First announced at Games Day Chicago back in July, we can now confirm that the brand new Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition Expansion book will be available to buy in limited numbers at Games Day UK, priced at £26.
This book substantially updates and expands the first edition of Imperial Armour Apocalypse with 32 new entries, and is packed with over 90 Apocalypse datasheets for Legendary units such as the mighty Crassus Armoured Assault Transport to the fell Daemon Lords of Chaos. Also included are new Forge World units for Warhammer 40,000 including the Contemptor Pattern Dreadnought and its variants, and the Dark Eldar Tantalus.
This 128 page, full-colour hardback book provides comprehensive and updated descriptions and rules for using all of Forge World’s recent additions to its model range in your games of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse. Within you’ll also find new Apocalypse battle missions to play including ‘The Lion and the Hawk’, ‘Shattered City’ and ‘Fortress Assault’, as well as lots of new options and background to enhance your games.
Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition is available to pre-order now for despatch from the 30th of September.

Imperial Emplacement
Adding to our new range of hollow resin scenery is the Imperial Emplacement, designed by Blake Spence. This is a detailed free-standing terrain piece that will be on sale at Games Day UK in limited numbers, well in advance of its scheduled release date.
Designed as an emplacement for almost any size of Warhammer 40,000 vehicle, from Chimeras and Leman Russ to Macharius and Malcador-based super heavy tanks, and even the mighty Baneblade, the Imperial Emplacement features a wealth of detail such as ammunition stowage, unexploded munitions, a targeting cogitator and an observer’s position. The base of the Imperial Emplacement has been reinforced with trench plates to act as duckboards, and the scenery piece also features plenty of space for crew models as well as vehicles.
Ideal for use as both a gaming piece to fight battles over or the basis of a detailed diorama, the Imperial Emplacement will cost £22.

Forge World and Warhammer Forge Studio
The ever-popular Forge World Studio area will have even more amazing displays, artwork, concept sketches and work-in-progress projects for you to admire at this year’s Games Day - our entire design team will be on hand, split across three areas, allowing you better access to talk to our talented designers and to see some amazing, as yet unseen miniatures. The Studio team have also been hard at work creating a totally new display board for this year’s Games Day, showcasing part of the Eldar assault upon Betalis III that will be detailed in the forthcoming Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara.
On the subject of books, jaw-droppingly detailed models are only one half of the Forge World range. We also have a dedicated Book Design team who are responsible for the colour profiles, layout, artwork, photographic art, star maps, page textures – everything that makes an Imperial Armour or Warhammer Forge book the masterpiece it is. Graphic Artists Ian Strickland, Rhys Pugh, Kenton Mills and Sam Lamont will be showcasing their work and explaining exactly what goes into laying out a book, and they may even have their high-tech cogitators with them so you can see this work in action. The chance to see a piece of artwork being worked on ‘live’ cannot be missed!

Games Day Italy Reservations now being taken
With Games Day Italy, held at the Forum Guido Monzani in Modena on 16th October, rapidly approaching, we are now accepting reservation orders for this event. This is the best way of ensuring that we will have exactly the models you’re looking for, packed up and waiting for you to pay for on the day.
To place a reservation order, please send an e-mail entitled ‘Games Day Italy Reservation’ to fwreservations@games-workshop.co.uk, making sure to provide your full name and a list of the items you’d like to reserve. You can also phone the Forge World Customer Service team on 0011 44 115 916 8177.
You can place a reservation for anything currently available from our online store, as well as our Event Only MkIII Boarding Space Marine and Chaos Dwarf Hellsmith figures and the items in this newsflash. We will provide a confirmation e-mail before the event that will contain your order number and a total cost in Euros, payable upon collection.
The cut-off date for Games Day Italy reservation orders is 3rd October, so make sure your e-mail reaches us before this date.

As for the Rhino kit, (and the Land Raider for that matter) I am reminded of a friend's blog where he wrote what I think is the most pithy and accurate descriptions of hipsterdom: "taking something old, ugly and passé, and bringing it back at great expense."

FW customers are like hipsters!

catharsix wrote:As for the Rhino kit, (and the Land Raider for that matter) I am reminded of a friend's blog where he wrote what I think is the most pithy and accurate descriptions of hipsterdom: "taking something old, ugly and passé, and bringing it back at great expense."

FW customers are like hipsters!

Ah, another person stating their opinion as a fact.

Man, Forgeworld is on a roll with the cool pre-heresy stuff. Every time I log in here my list of things to add to my pre-heresy project grows a little longer. As the man says.. "Shut up and take my money!"

I dunno,

I think we are seeing a direct reaction from Forge World to all of the alternative kits that have been directed towards Heresy Era players. Remember a while back they said they would not do any Heresy Era stuff..

In the past few months FW has released some products directly correlating to third-party bit companies products..

All of the Heresy Armors
Heresy Era Jump Packs
Salamander Power Armor Shoulder Pads (tongue in cheek here)
and the MK1(C) Rhino Conversion kit I still think the C stands for Chapterhouse

Interesting to say the least and wonder if it will have any sort of impact on the ongoing legal case.

Well if GW bring it up... you could subpoena the records of these projects start dates.

This is why competition and capitalism works... the presence of other participators in their market has enticed them to produce the products people have been asking for... that is a good thing.

Chapterhouse wrote:I dunno,

I think we are seeing a direct reaction from Forge World to all of the alternative kits that have been directed towards Heresy Era players. Remember a while back they said they would not do any Heresy Era stuff..

In the past few months FW has released some products directly correlating to third-party bit companies products..

All of the Heresy Armors
Heresy Era Jump Packs
Salamander Power Armor Shoulder Pads (tongue in cheek here)
and the MK1(C) Rhino Conversion kit I still think the C stands for Chapterhouse

Interesting to say the least and wonder if it will have any sort of impact on the ongoing legal case.

Here's the difference:

Your Rhino Conversion kit looks like crap compared to this one. And they're the same price after all is said and done after you'd buy the rhino seperately to build it.

And if you really want to bring this up: Every FW model that has a Chapterhouse equivalent makes the CH ones look like crap. I really like the new Eldar Aspect chick, I like the Chimera conversion kit, but the marine stuff is, at best mediocre. I've purchased a few things from Chapterhouse. My Salamanders Rhino kit was garbage. It was a really disappointing purchase, as the resin was low quality and the sculping on the 'scales' was poor. I purchased the Doomsayer and really like that model.

Also, remember that GAMES WORKSHOP OWNS THE INTELLLECTUAL PROPERTY TO THESE THINGS. You bring up the legal issue so ignorantly here; GW can't infringe upon their IP. GW has the rights to produce things based on their protected artwork. GW isn't making any attempts to profit off of the original ideas of Chapterhouse Studios. Chapterhouse studios, despite what the nebulous lawsuit or claims may say, is attemping to profit off another company's IP. Your arrogance towards the matter is only furthered by this post.

I'll pay the extra few bucks every time for comparable kits, becuase the Forge World ones take a steaming crap on the Chapterhouse ones.

/rant.

Wow, way to inject drama and direct insults into a thread about gamesday.

Let's stay on-topic.

For convenience, here is a short (non-exclusive) list of off-topic subjects:

- ChapterHouse Studios business strategies
- GW or FW's response to the same
- the quality of CHS sculpts or CHS products and services otherwise
- intellectual property

Remember, posting off-topic is against our rules and could result in suspension of your account.

Thanks!

Hooray for the return of Forgeworld Terrain!

I really hope they bring back the trench sections, although I was hoping that they'd reveal IA11 at GD.

Taking a look at FWs pre-order page for Imperial Armour Apocalypse Second Edition, you can see that there are different rules for a Blood Angels Contemptor and a Space Wolves one, I wonder how many different Chapter specific rules there are going to be? I'm really excited to read through this book, it will also help me determine when and which one to buy!

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Snarky wrote:Hooray for the return of Forgeworld Terrain!

I really hope they bring back the trench sections, although I was hoping that they'd reveal IA11 at GD.

They likely will reveal it at GD. They are, after all, bringing a new display board to GDUK themed around IA11.

I wouldn't hold my breath on the trench sections though.

Yay to new book as well!

That bit of terrain looks very...flat, I preferred the old basilisk emplacement because it had some height to it. I think a sandbag/duckboard bitz set would have been a better idea (even though I could probably make both things myself with little trouble).

Emperors_Champion wrote:Yay to new book as well!

Interesting decision on the title; they already have an IAApoc2 out... Now this one is the "2nd Edition." A bit confusing.

All this GD UK goodness makes me feel really ripped off in regards to the GD USA. We had practically nothing new.

cincydooley wrote:

Emperors_Champion wrote:Yay to new book as well!

Interesting decision on the title; they already have an IAApoc2 out... Now this one is the "2nd Edition." A bit confusing.

All this GD UK goodness makes me feel really ripped off in regards to the GD USA. We had practically nothing new.

It's updating the IA: Apoc 2 entries and adding new content.

Commander Cain wrote:That bit of terrain looks very...flat, I preferred the old basilisk emplacement because it had some height to it. I think a sandbag/duckboard bitz set would have been a better idea (even though I could probably make both things myself with little trouble).

It's an emplacement for digging in armored vehicles. The height can only be so much so that the weapons on the vehicles can fire and traverse appropriately, and of course it's going to be flat simply because the vehicle has to be able to roll up into it or back out of it as necessary.

Anyways, this is going to be a "must buy" for me simply because anything can likely fit on that.
Earthshaker Emplacements, Manticore Emplacements, a field HQ, a Baneblade...

The possibilities are making me quite, quite happy. As nice as the Basilisk Emplacement was, there was very little leeway with it.

Very excited to see all the GD stuff... it is time for some good and proper reveals!

I hope our UK members are ready to be our (rapidly posting) 'reporters in the field'!

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Lame, no rules included of the new tau suits.

Kroothawk wrote:Lame, no rules included of the new tau suits.

I'd assume because they're happy with the 'standard' XV-9 rules from IAA2.

This book is basically a revision of Imperial Armour Apocalypse(the first one), with whatever else Forge World has felt needed its rules updated or included.

Kroothawk wrote:Lame, no rules included of the new tau suits.

Sorry if I'm being a goon, but have you seen the contents of the book? I know there's no Tau gubbinz in the preview, but not aware of the general content being made public?

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Lame, no rules included of the new tau suits.

Sorry if I'm being a goon, but have you seen the contents of the book? I know there's no Tau gubbinz in the preview, but not aware of the general content being made public?

The table of contents went up today.

Ahhhh! I seeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Mr Mystery wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Lame, no rules included of the new tau suits.

Sorry if I'm being a goon, but have you seen the contents of the book? I know there's no Tau gubbinz in the preview, but not aware of the general content being made public?

Would have taken less time to actually look at the Forge World entry and check for yourself than type that angry post.

Dude, wasn't an angry post. I don't recall seeing it on the Forge World page

hence the sorry if I'm being a goon bit. But, if you want to be offended, shoot me a PM....

*looks over contents*

Hmm... sandwiched between the CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT and the Praetor Armoured Assault Launcher is something I've not heard of before:

The Dominus Armoured Siege Bombard.

Now there's the Bombard (conspicuously absent from the FW webstore), and then there's this. Any difference?

Additionally we have 4 different Comtemptor Dreads, plus the rules for the Chaos version. We have only 3 of the 4 Greater Daemons, the Wraithseer and Phantom Titan are included and, surprisingly, the Spore Chimney is still there - hope for a furture re-release or re-imagining?

MajorTom11 wrote:Example: I would love a nice Ferrari. I do not call them rip-off kings just because I can't afford one. It is a luxury product, I recognize that... the price is not just reflective of the materials and labor, you are also paying for prestige and luxury. If you are willing to pay, then that is how much it is worth...

I'd hazard that Ferrari's QA is a damn-sight better than Forge World's though.

I'd guess the Dominus is the third Crassus variant that was mentioned.

But where's the Bombard gone?

The Colossus =/= Bombard, and I hope the upcoming plastic kit won't remove the Bombard from the range. I really like the Bombard.

H.B.M.C. wrote:But where's the Bombard gone?

The Colossus =/= Bombard, and I hope the upcoming plastic kit won't remove the Bombard from the range. I really like the Bombard.

If I had to hazard a guess--it's being remastered to work with the 'new' Leman Russ hull and to work out the kinks in the original kit.

A lot of the Taros campaign stuff has either been removed or remastered.

Really? I honestly hadn't noticed. What else have they redone?

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:But where's the Bombard gone?

The Colossus =/= Bombard, and I hope the upcoming plastic kit won't remove the Bombard from the range. I really like the Bombard.

If I had to hazard a guess--it's being remastered to work with the 'new' Leman Russ hull and to work out the kinks in the original kit.

A lot of the Taros campaign stuff has either been removed or remastered.

I don't know about the old Bombard, but since the Dominus Armored Seige Bombard is listed between the two vehicles that use the same frame as the Crassus, I'm betting it uses that frame and has a big ass gun (BAG).

Crassus Armored Assault Transport
Dominus Armored Siege Bombard
Praetor Armored Assault Launcher

H.B.M.C. wrote:Really? I honestly hadn't noticed. What else have they redone?

A bunch of the Tau bits that came out at that time had been pulled for a short while, namely the Crisis Suit variants, the Seeker Missiles and the Devilfish/Hammerhead upgrade kits off the top of my head.

The Heavy Bolter Tarantula Emplacement was pulled for a short while(Thank the Gods it's back).
The "Crashed Valkyrie" terrain piece was pulled a few months or so ago, and keeps coming back off/on(which is annoying me because I have to get one).
The Raptors shoulderpads remained on the site, but were reportedly "out of stock" for a short while.

Well, that settles it. Pre-Heresy army in the future. Maybe if I sell my car.........

nectarprime wrote:

catharsix wrote:As for the Rhino kit, (and the Land Raider for that matter) I am reminded of a friend's blog where he wrote what I think is the most pithy and accurate descriptions of hipsterdom: "taking something old, ugly and passé, and bringing it back at great expense."

FW customers are like hipsters!

Ah, another person stating their opinion as a fact.

Um, where in my post do I say that the opinion stated therein is a fact? It seems like I am merely stating my opinion ("I am reminded...").

Perhaps you should read more carefully, or think before you automatically assume what another poster's intention is.

PS-The exclamation point makes it ironic!

catharsix wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

catharsix wrote:As for the Rhino kit, (and the Land Raider for that matter) I am reminded of a friend's blog where he wrote what I think is the most pithy and accurate descriptions of hipsterdom: "taking something old, ugly and passé, and bringing it back at great expense."

FW customers are like hipsters!

Ah, another person stating their opinion as a fact.

Um, where in my post do I say that the opinion stated therein is a fact? It seems like I am merely stating my opinion ("I am reminded...").

Perhaps you should read more carefully, or think before you automatically assume what another poster's intention is.

PS-The exclamation point makes it ironic!

Your logic is rather passive-aggressive and narrow minded. OF course i am merely stating my opinion...

Not everyone who wants/buys a retro item is a hipster. Some people have been around long enough to have a history with such items and feel a sense of nostalgia for them. Humans like things that remind them of past experiences and good times. they are comforting.

It has nothign to do with being a hipster. Although hating on things just to seem "too cool for school" sort of reaks of "hipster". Again merely stating my opinion...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Really? I honestly hadn't noticed. What else have they redone?

They reworked the Mars Alpha hull, all the Leman Russ turrets, and the Chimera turrets to rework with the current kits. Really just enlarging holes and adding bigger necks so the turrets could fit into the new hulls.

Terrain looks nice. While you can kinda "guess-judge" how big models would be on it, I'd still like to see a couple of proper pics with models involved...

I was hoping for a Chaos Contemptor Dread.

Not impressed by the new book though. Apart from a Chaos Contemptor, there's really nothing in it I'm interested in. Same Ork and Chaos stuff.

yeah,
It shouldn't be too long till we see some...
I assume they have photos of it in the book?

Panic...

Seems several items missing from the book that were in IAA1 and 2, I had hoped to be able to replace 2 volumes with 1.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

OMG! Old Rhino!

That's awesome.

I think Chapterhouse already has a kit.

And I have about 20 of the opld plastics...

Still tempting.


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Oh and Ramshakle has this for just 9 UK pounds

I might get a couple of those Ramshackle ones for Nurgle, and I've got a bunch of the originals still on sprue, but damn that FW kit is tempting, isn't it?

scipio.au wrote:I might get a couple of those Ramshackle ones for Nurgle, and I've got a bunch of the originals still on sprue, but damn that FW kit is tempting, isn't it?

Tempting. Is there a picture of one of those tanks next to a Marine?

Kanluwen wrote:I'd assume because they're happy with the 'standard' XV-9 rules from IAA2.

I can't speak to the rules but damn, when I look at the XV-9 it still makes me almost want to start a Tau army. That's how the suits should look.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

scipio.au wrote:I might get a couple of those Ramshackle ones for Nurgle, and I've got a bunch of the originals still on sprue, but damn that FW kit is tempting, isn't it?

Tempting. Is there a picture of one of those tanks next to a Marine?

I never painted it but here's a size reference:





Note that on the Iron Grumbler, I haven't glued the sides so there is a quarter inch gap there. It's a hair bigger but they are very comparable. Note also that if you get this kit from Ramshackle (and it's a good kit!) You should scrub it good with some soapy water and a toothbrush; you'll know when it's good as the most release has a faint aroma that will be gone when it's clean.

The problem with the Ramshackle one is that it looks like junk. That's not a dig against the model - I mean it actually looks like it's made of junk.

So great for looted Ork things, not so hot for factory-clean Marine things.

Excellent news that the Warhammer Forge book is finally out - any news on Imperial Armour 11?

thanks

Thank you, Ouze!

H.B.M.C. wrote:The problem with the Ramshackle one is that it looks like junk. That's not a dig against the model - I mean it actually looks like it's made of junk.

So great for looted Ork things, not so hot for factory-clean Marine things.

I play Death Guard. I think it could work. Need to order from Ramshackle sooner or later anyway. Have you seen those drills?

Anung Un Rama wrote:Have you seen those drills?

You mean these? Yeah, my AdMech army has their bionic eyes on a few sets.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Have you seen those drills?

You mean these? Yeah, my AdMech army has their bionic eyes on a few sets.

I don't know... they seem kinda boring . I like them.

Mr Morden wrote:Excellent news that the Warhammer Forge book is finally out - any news on Imperial Armour 11?

thanks

Before Christmas was all they would say. Themockup was 95% there - just some "Big Blue Picture"s to put in (thats seriously how they mark up pages well, the blue ones at least)

Got chatting, IA11 sounds fun- she got to blow up a battlegroup, and have a full Maniple vs revenant phantoms....

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Have you seen those drills?

You mean these? Yeah, my AdMech army has their bionic eyes on a few sets.

I want them for my Orks. And/or a Ninja Turtles related conversion project.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:Excellent news that the Warhammer Forge book is finally out - any news on Imperial Armour 11?

thanks

Before Christmas was all they would say. Themockup was 95% there - just some "Big Blue Picture"s to put in (thats seriously how they mark up pages well, the blue ones at least)

Got chatting, IA11 sounds fun- she got to blow up a battlegroup, and have a full Maniple vs revenant phantoms....

Thanks for the update sounds like good fun, a proper meeting of Titans nice was that the Author you were talking to?

Yep, was chatting to the lady who does most of the writing- VERY nice person to chat to, VERY VERY VERY enthusiastic about everything in the book - the palpable excitement about describinb a Corsair (Air) vs Guard (Land) fight was really great to see, makes me want the book even more!

Having a look at the Phantom titans rules (6s to hit it in CC unless youre a GC / Titan, Enhanced Eldar Titan Holofields) finally you may have titans which are as tough to take down as they should be....

H.B.M.C. wrote:The problem with the Ramshackle one is that it looks like junk. That's not a dig against the model - I mean it actually looks like it's made of junk.

So great for looted Ork things, not so hot for factory-clean Marine things.

Have to agree with this, I think it would be awesome for Orks. But, I have not even seen one painted up. Anyone have a pic of a finished one?

kronk wrote:
I don't know about the old Bombard, but since the Dominus Armored Seige Bombard is listed between the two vehicles that use the same frame as the Crassus, I'm betting it uses that frame and has a big ass gun (BAG).

Here, I'm hoping that it's not a single gun and is instead an Imperial version of the Doomblaster Daemon Engine.

Also, here's hoping for new Daemon Engines for IA12(specifically, the Silver Tower, Firelord, and Doomwing).

From a look at the stats for the DASB, and the shadow profile of iit (both in IA:Apoc 2nd ed) it is a macharius hull (same AV values, number of structure points) and s pretty awesome - 3 bombard cannon on top of the hull, with the SH chassis allowing itto fire every turn with different profiles based on whether it was stationary or not.

Better get ready to choose sides! Because Warhammer 30k is a commin' !

aka_mythos wrote:I don't know... they seem kinda boring . I like them.

Well done.

My question is will I be able to field the Daemon Lords properly in my Chaos Daemons army now? They released a mini-update saying how they'd work (deep strike as normal, same points cost, counts as HQ), but they still had the Chaos Space Marine powers (I don't really want to buy their book to field a Daemon Lord in my Daemon army...)

I can't make out on the KoS or GUO's pages whether they have the Chaos Space Marine powers again or they've made a version for the Daemon players. Guess I'll have to wait until the local store gets a copy.

mwnciboo wrote:Better get ready to choose sides! Because Warhammer 30k is a commin' !

Now if only they would have a throwback to some interesting _rules_, I might put Infinity down to play a regular 40K game again.

That said, there is simply no replacement ruleset for a good Apoc game (at least not yet), so can't wait for IA 11.

And I wonder if some sharpeyed readers might find hints of coming changes in the rumored new Eldar codex?

So - has anyone seen the contents of IA: A Second Edition? I wouldn't mind a breif rundown of what the new Tyranid stuff is like.

This was posted elsewhere on the forums.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7j4scc4OGgw/Tn7AUUdBGLI/AAAAAAAAKdw/OUljfnycSRM/s1600/IAC-toc.jpg

Not sure how legit it is though.

Considering that's on Forgeworlds site, I'd say it's 'legit'.