After having been messaged twice by the moderators, I feel it my civil duty as a law abiding forumer to give the floor to anyone who feels they need to let off some steam about the moderators... as this is NOT against the rules and I agree that there will no profanity or name calling, as this is an oppurtunity for the Mods and such to stop by every now again and see how they can improve their Skills... In the Army we call this an AAR of Sorts... this is not meant to cause dissention or trouble in any way shape or form, so please feel free to speak you mind but please as our mods call it...
I was banned for 16 days because I had those quotes from that shotty-antigay guy in my signature so nobody would forget what a terrible person he was if he continued posting.
I had them in there for about 20 days, and THEN I get banned.
I was told I broke Rule #1 by putting those in my signature...go figure.
Letting off steam about moderators should be done via a PM to an admin, not by a thread that I can forsee degenerating into a name'n'shame fest, or a thread that is essentially whining about how unfair it all is that your interpretation of the rules differed from a mod's.
I think the moderation here is fine, and i've been on a lot of sites which have far stricter moderators; I can confindentaly say that near enough to entirety of the Off-Topic regulars (myself included) would have been perma-banned long ago on some sites I (used to) go on, and a substantial number of other forumers too.
Honestly, if you think a decision was wrong take it up with the mod in question and/or an admin; it might do you good to learn their side of it instead of simply creating a hate thread (because it's almost what it already is, and what it will undoubtably turn into) aimed at the mod team.
Some mods seem to think they can push thier own moral agenda if they dont agree with what, or how, you say something. It seems ridiculous that its ok to use all the sci-fi 'swear words' like feth, gak , frak etc etc are acceptable, but other words that are commonly used get you lectured or banned.
I used to post here about 4 or 5 times a day, but thats dropped to 4 or 5 a month- if that. Just not worth the hassle of turning on my Disney level kiddie filter. Im an adult, and prefer to communicate and deal with the same- which doesnt seem to happen here as much as it used to.
Mistress of minis wrote:Some mods seem to think they can push thier own moral agenda if they dont agree with what, or how, you say something. It seems ridiculous that its ok to use all the sci-fi 'swear words' like feth, gak , frak etc etc are acceptable, but other words that are commonly used get you lectured or banned.
I used to post here about 4 or 5 times a day, but thats dropped to 4 or 5 a month- if that. Just not worth the hassle of turning on my Disney level kiddie filter. Im an adult, and prefer to communicate and deal with the same- which doesnt seem to happen here as much as it used to.
You know that there's a filter that automatically changes most of those words, right?
Mistress of minis wrote:Some mods seem to think they can push thier own moral agenda if they dont agree with what, or how, you say something. It seems ridiculous that its ok to use all the sci-fi 'swear words' like feth, gak , frak etc etc are acceptable, but other words that are commonly used get you lectured or banned.
I used to post here about 4 or 5 times a day, but thats dropped to 4 or 5 a month- if that. Just not worth the hassle of turning on my Disney level kiddie filter. Im an adult, and prefer to communicate and deal with the same- which doesnt seem to happen here as much as it used to.
This is suppose to be a "13+" rated forum, If you want to swear like a sailor, go to any other site on the interwebz
The mods constantly hound my efforts to purge Brony's and Furries from Dakka. Dudes gotta have a hobby bro.
I get Pmed, told i'm not getting banned by Reds8n. Then five minutes later i'm banned for 2-3 days.
They deleted my Bearataur thread. But even stupider things are allowed to run for hundreds of pages.
They banned my Broseph Stalin Golden Eyed Scout.
Hell, I wouldn't even come to dakka at -all- if it weren't for some of the beautiful work some of the members have posted in the gallery, Painting and Modeling forum. Cheesecat and Metallifan.
The filter, its nice and catches things automatically.
BUT here is the thing. someone called me a kunt but with a c of course, nothing. I responded back with sht (poo)
i got in trouble because that wasnt been filtered before.
So you are telling me sht is worse than kunt?
Also, this is the truth of what i noticed, during the 3 months i have been gone, the way everyone posted is completely different.
People openly insults each other and troll each other , its almost like Dakka dakka lost its integrity.
I guess this is what happens when you let rude brown nosers get away, and to be more impartial in public... you have to let more rude stuff slide by.
Before you knew it, THIS.
Shadowbrand wrote:Wait, what Luna arguing!? *Spits on glasses and rubs them looking back at the post*
But...you don't have a mean bone in your body what the feth has been goin' on since I came back to Dakkadakka?!
Don't you know?
Calling someone "stupid" and "slowed" is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
For example "oh thats just stupid and slowed" "but im not calling you stupid or slowed, just what you wrote"
And in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
Shadowbrand wrote:Wait, what Luna arguing!? *Spits on glasses and rubs them looking back at the post*
But...you don't have a mean bone in your body what the feth has been goin' on since I came back to Dakkadakka?!
Don't you know?
Calling someone stupid and slowed is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
And in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
And I've been banned for posting something that was posted 3 times in a thread, and for posting a somewhat Rickroll into my signature. I disagreed with it, sure. But I talked to the mod, understood his point of view, and came back from the ban with a better respect for Dakka.
To quote daedalus:
daedalus wrote:Ultimately, it's their sandbox. You play by their rules or you leave. You'd get that anywhere you go, not just here.
Asherian Command wrote:I love the moderators. I have only been banned twice.
Mostly because it was my fault. no need to get angry at them they are pretty fair.
Oh i do love the moderator ( ok 2 i dont, and i know the feeling is mutual )
but sometimes it feels like they dont see it from our level.
Following rule im 100% happy to oblige, but if treatment is different between me and kanluwen, I DONT LIKE IT.
And i have the right to say i dont like it.... right?
Mistress of minis wrote:Some mods seem to think they can push thier own moral agenda if they dont agree with what, or how, you say something. It seems ridiculous that its ok to use all the sci-fi 'swear words' like feth, gak , frak etc etc are acceptable, but other words that are commonly used get you lectured or banned.
I used to post here about 4 or 5 times a day, but thats dropped to 4 or 5 a month- if that. Just not worth the hassle of turning on my Disney level kiddie filter. Im an adult, and prefer to communicate and deal with the same- which doesnt seem to happen here as much as it used to.
Yes, because normal communication for adults involves swearing.
Love and tolerance is -not- metal. If I'm going to finally get permabanned so be it. I will return in a new host. I just can't let my identity as Shadowbrand, Viking raider from the Nordland be known the public.
Give me death! Or dakka! Blood and thunder!
*Edit* but seriously what the feth? I can have a Viking vs Pirates war, but a thread warning people of the Finnish beast known as the Bearataur is too much?
It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on that thread quite a lot.
Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on that thread quite a lot.
We've had discussions about abolishing the entire OT Forum anyway. The Brony thread is a small microcosm of what is worst about the OT Forum (Lord only knows what I have done there).
So for those who argue against the OT Forum's existance, look at the MLP thread.
Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on dakka quite a lot.
Yes, because normal communication for adults involves swear words.
I hate having conversations with people like you.
Nerivant lets be nice here okay? Last thing we need to do is have someone start causing a fight and then something like the pelvic thrusting wars begin again.
BTW I remember my opposite/person on dakka dakka i smashed heads with, too bad he quit.
Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on dakka quite a lot.
Fixed it for you...
Alright then. Show me. Show me a link where you can find 3 schoolgirls getting raped, tortured, killed by a close friend.
bombboy1252 wrote:Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.
MLP is, as WarOne said, a microcosm of the OT thread. So it's a perfect example. Another would be the "Things you don't understand about the opposite gender" thread started by Asherian Command.
Chowderhead wrote:It's what people posted into the Pony thread. There is, in fact, a rule against linking to vulgar sites and sites that depict lewd behavior. And that rule gets broken on dakka quite a lot.
Fixed it for you...
Alright then. Show me. Show me a link where you can find 3 schoolgirls getting raped, tortured, killed by a close friend.
Not my point Chowder, I never said EXACTLY whats posted in MLP thread popped up in other threads, I was just saying I do find links to inappropriate Sites on other threads
daedalus wrote:Also, ultimately, it's their sandbox. You play by their rules or you leave. You'd get that anywhere you go, not just here.
True to a point. But this is less about breaking the rules and more about the rules being enforced consistently. At Dakka, they are not. Talk gak about the Sisters of Battle, and Manchu will be on your case. Have the gall to disagree with insaniak? Say hello to a week's vacation. Be within his line of sight when KillKrazy has one of his snap 'Modjerk' reactions to a thread, and he'll ban you quicker than he can lock the thread.
Rules are fine. Rules enforced in an inconsistent and, dare I say it, arbitrary manner are not.
LunaHound wrote:And in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
I got a week off for saying that someone's post was inane. That was the word that got be banned - 'inane'.
bombboy1252 wrote:Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.
MLP is, as WarOne said, a microcosm of the OT thread. So it's a perfect example. Another would be the "Things you don't understand about the opposite gender" thread started by Asherian Command.
/Plug
again chowder, missing the point, this is a thread about mods, not why OT should be removed/how bad MLP is
bombboy1252 wrote:OT forum is where I spend most of my time on dakka it would be terrible if it got taken down...My daily post count would go down a lot.
OT forum will not go down. It cant go down.
Without OT forum, the "bad' will permeate into the normal forums and drag the over all quality down.
OT forum is also a nice place to relax and discuss OT warhammer stuff as well.
P.S I LOVE PONIES ( actually just the recent ones friendship is magic )
COME AT ME SHADOWBRAND! your viking metal or w/e is useless against me!
bombboy1252 wrote:Let's keep this thread about mods, and leave MLP out of this, if you don't like it, leave it alone.
MLP is, as WarOne said, a microcosm of the OT thread. So it's a perfect example. Another would be the "Things you don't understand about the opposite gender" thread started by Asherian Command.
/Plug
again chowder, missing the point, this is a thread about mods, not why OT should be removed/how bad MLP is
If you wish to keep it a modbashing thread, then so be it. But I'll stay out.
On the same token though, alot of warnings are handed out because of the OT Forum.
Just because you think you can relax in the OT Forum doesn't mean to simply spam it or slip on the rules here. In fact, one should be more guarded about what they say here.
I'm pretty sure getting a thread highly off topic (even in OT) is against the rules, so yes, This will stay a mod bash thread and I will continue to defend the mods like a knight in shining armor.
While I support this notion fully, as some of the mods really are a piece of work.
If we persist with this thread at all, as Lunahound as stated were doomed, Feth we already -are-.
This thread will just get deleted by them, and then the dictatorship and blatant favoritism will persist until Dakka dies.
And to that I say...It was a honor serving.
@Luna.
I can't bring myself to destroy you. We've been through so much you and I. I will however just need to take you back to our secret Doomfart hangout and wash the Brony cancer from your system with Molson Canadian beer.
Shadowbrand wrote:I've been here for as long as i've been playing 40k..So roughly 3 years?
The -whole- time there has been talk of abolishing the OT forum. I doubt it will happen.
Mind you...Dark Eldar -did- get updated. And Duke Nukem forever was launched...
Thats been going on for a very long time, and lets face it they won't because its pretty bloody good.
Also we have some radical mods and some nonradical I like all of them except for one! Only one!
If anything I wish they threw the banhammer on some dakkites sometimes.
H.B.M.C. wrote:
True to a point. But this is less about breaking the rules and more about the rules being enforced consistently. At Dakka, they are not. Talk gak about the Sisters of Battle, and Manchu will be on your case. Have the gall to disagree with insaniak? Say hello to a week's vacation. Be within his line of sight when KillKrazy has one of his snap 'Modjerk' reactions to a thread, and he'll ban you quicker than he can lock the thread.
Rules are fine. Rules enforced in an inconsistent and, dare I say it, arbitrary manner are not.
The fact that these things are not talked about as a rule makes it hard to cite specific instances that rules have been arbitrarily enforced, so any argument I made on this point would be completely out of my own ignorance. I've been in the vicinity of threads that have brought down the Mod's ire before however and I have escaped unscathed. Both before and after becoming a DCM. I've also had a warning or two when I deserved it. Maybe I just get lucky.
bombboy1252 wrote:I'm pretty sure getting a thread highly off topic (even in OT) is against the rules, so yes, This will stay a mod bash thread and I will continue to defend the mods like a knight in shining armor.
You do not stand alone my friend! Even though I am from D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T. its not that bad We ride! *Rides off to battle*
bombboy1252 wrote:I'm pretty sure getting a thread highly off topic (even in OT) is against the rules, so yes, This will stay a mod bash thread and I will continue to defend the mods like a knight in shining armor.
You do not stand alone my friend! Even though I am from D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T. its not that bad We ride! *Rides off to battle*
*Rides off to battle with Asherian*
*starts singing song about how mods are great, and their is forever peace among dakka*
Well since it's that time of month again (no I'm not having a period ), I'll repeat my rhetoric DakkaDakka's mods are an excellent staff that is very understanding and has helped to contribute to the friendly,
laid-back atmosphere the I often experience on this site.
Well since it's that time of month again (no I'm not having a period ), I'll repeat my rhetoric DakkaDakka's mods are an excellent staff that is very understanding and has helped to contribute to the friendly,
laid-back atmosphere the I often experience on this site.
I like the staff its fun and engaging and they do their job. Though my Personnel favorite of the mods is Alpharius who is infact Omegeon disguised as Alpharius.
Suffice to say, does everyone here think that this thread can be constructive to addressing grievances with the moderators/administrators of the forums?
Wouldn't it of been better to address this via PM or in the Nuts and Bolts Forum rather than the OT Forum?
Ya im just going to behave and stay around till kanluwen turn into mod.
then i'll be like I TOLD YOU SO, i mean how can he NOT be a mod with god like anti ban shield + constant suck ups and the cute
little face everytime he might have said something to get him in trouble.
So far i have successfully predicted all in the correct order
Kidkyoto ( good mod, so not hard to predict )
manchu ( well havnt seen him lately )
reds8n ( ................................................... )
Tom11 (Canadian one spelled his name wrong i think )
Man... lol. I am pretty new, so I will chip in here as I don't have a long track record of conflict just yet!
Guys, I have been a Mod about 3 weeks, and in that time, most of the conflicts I have encountered occur from lack of communication... Either we don't get what was intended due to our misunderstanding, or you guys don't communicate as clearly as you think...
Karon, since you brought up your incident, I can mention you are a prime example. Reading what you wrote about that quote makes sense I suppose from your viewpoint (as in you calling that guy out, not endorsing him)... from my own seeing it at the time though, there was no indication of you either approving or disapproving of that awful statement. No smiley, frowney, *sigh* or anything to say you thought this was the wrong thing to say. It was just a really hateful statement repeated. In any case, you probably thought the intent your message was clear from your own point of view, but it honestly wasn't from the outside. A prime example of how relatively good intentions got mangled up by the interwebs, and was completely misinterpreted by some of the audience.
At the end of the day though, even in condemnation, it is not the kind of thing we want regularly plastered over the forum every time you post... I understand you motivation, and can even appreciate it... but rule #1 goes for everyone, always. Even those you/we might not think deserve it.
Guys, this forum has a lot of kids on it... it's an inescapable fact. I know sometimes it sucks, and sometimes you want to speak in a manner you are accustomed to in real life as adults... But you are hanging out in a really public spot. A mall. A movie theater in the afternoon. A park. It might suck, but I hope, and this is pure honesty, I hope that you guys are all the good people I think you are who wouldn't want young kids hearing the kinds of things we may say as 20-30 and even 40 year olds. It is easy to forget as we never see each other, it's all just typing, but picture sitting in a restaurant at lunchtime while the people next to you have a raunchy sex talk, or sitting next to a racist going on a rant... all while your 10 year old niece is sitting beside you...
It may sound extreme, but really, that is what Dakka is. There could be a kid in any thread. If that means something to you guys, then you understand why we have the rules we do. If it means nothing to you and you want R rated, I say this with no animosity or insult, then Dakka may not be the place for you. There are other forums more friendly to that, and if that is really, really what you after, then there are places you would probably enjoy more. Again, that isn't a 'Here's the door' comment, it is just friendly advice, as I would like to see everyone end up someplace they are happy with.
Guys, like I said, I am a recent Mod. I can promise you something though, with no lie: The entire moderation team, and most especially the Admins, Yak and Lego, really, really care about this site. Not for money, fame, or anything like that... They just want it to be a nice, friendly place that other fans can enjoy. That is literally the one and only reason Dakka even exists. Their policy is always to do their absolute best to keep everyone happy. Every single time, without fail, they will try to work things out with any offender. Sometimes to my shock to be honest, as sometimes things can get pretty nasty.
Most of the time, it works, and things go along smoothly. Sometimes though, we can communicate badly too, we can say things we think are clear, and aren't, or are misinterpreted on the other end and we come off as power-mad or something. It sucks that this can happen, but we are only human too. Being a Mod is a lot of work to be honest, and no one in there gets off on suspending people, or being a tough guy. In fact, suspending people often leads to a series of nasty emails, which is the opposite of 'fun' lol.
I can understand why this thread was started. I see why many assume the Mods are 'up to something' or abusing power. I just wanted to throw this out there in the hopes that some of you may believe me and think differently of us next time something comes up. I said communication was the biggest problem, so I am trying to do my part here too.
The rules of this site are designed to minimize conflict, keep it SFW and to make it as good a place as can be for as many of you as possible. Sometimes, this means hazy interpretations of the rules. Sometimes, the rules 'backfire' and protect those most of us would think are jerks. But the truth is guys, we will never be able to please everyone, so please, please try not to take it personally if the rules rub you the wrong way on occasion.
Be polite, don't swear and don't post porn and you will be fine 99% of the time lol. Try not to argue endlessly in a thread with the same person (keyword being endlessly if neither party is willing to budge). The other 1% is a bit hazy and tough to quantify, for everyone involved.
Anyways, that is a long ramble. Just remember, talk to us (preferably rationally!) and we will always take the time to do everything we can to work things out. We will listen to your side, and will give it honest thought. Sometimes we will still disagree with you, but we will always, always prefer to work things out than suspend.
Oh come on, the mods aren't that bad I mean most of the warnings (and that one ban ) I've got were well deserved (except my abortion joke that was way too good of a chuckle to be removed from a thread) .
The mods ate my cattle, raped my wife and burned my log cabin.
Most of the time I just lurk, it's -really- that bad for me. Although I wonder what the people on my friends list have to say..I don't PM them anymore.
Tom, see this why things are so hard to solve.
You and a few other mods are the good ones.
You are here on goodwill explaining something you and some others didnt do. Yet the true guilty ones will never respond.
With that said im out of this thread, not going to blame the wrong person.
bombboy1252 wrote:I haven't seen kanluwen do anything to break the rules the time I've been here.....You seem to have some beef with him though Luna
Thats the problem, you joined on the month where my 3rd ban started.
You missed it.
Alright guys. You have now a moderator who is currently looking at this thread. He gave us some wise words. Is there anything you'd like to redress now or via PM that could be resolved without spamming this thread?
LunaHound wrote:Calling someone "stupid" and "slowed" is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
No, it's not.
nd in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
You got a 3 month suspension for stirring up nonsense with someone you had been repeatedly told to stop stirring up nonsense with, fully understanding (because you had previously been told in no uncertain terms) that doing so would earn you that suspension.
Mistress of minis wrote:Im an adult, and prefer to communicate and deal with the same- which doesnt seem to happen here as much as it used to.
That works both ways. That 'disney-level filter' isn't just there for the kids. Dakka's rules about keeping things family friendly are there just as much for those adults who would like to be able to discuss their hobby without being sworn at and called names by other supposed adults as they are for the young'uns on the board.
LunaHound wrote:Calling someone "stupid" and "slowed" is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
No, it's not.
nd in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
You got a 3 month suspension for stirring up nonsense with someone you had been repeatedly told to stop stirring up nonsense with, fully understanding (because you had previously been told in no uncertain terms) that doing so would earn you that suspension.
Mistress of minis wrote:Im an adult, and prefer to communicate and deal with the same- which doesnt seem to happen here as much as it used to.
That works both ways. That 'disney-level filter' isn't just there for the kids. Dakka's rules about keeping things family friendly are there just as much for those adults who would like to be able to discuss their hobby without being sworn at and called names by other supposed adults as they are for the young'uns on the board.
I remember I got banned for posting a unfamily friendly picture and unrelated photo rofl.
but anyway 2 mods. In 15 minutes rofl. Means this thread is getting alot of attention.
This website is not a democracy. You have no rights here other than what is afforded to you by it's owners and those they have granted a degree of power to.
I have been suspended twice and warned several times, in part that's down to my (somewhat fiery) temperament and in part down to the amount I post and how long I've been using the site. I think, on the whole, that the moderation team do a good job and allow a great deal more freedoms to us than you'd find on most other sites of this kind.
OP, if you've been warned twice in under 30 posts, you should take a look at what you're posting or you're not going to have a bright and shiny career here.
Yes, favouritism exists, yes it isn't fair, yes you can be upset about it...
But whether or not the emperor's wearing any clothes doesn't matter when he still signs the death warrants...
LunaHound wrote:Calling someone "stupid" and "slowed" is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
No, it's not.
nd in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
You got a 3 month suspension for stirring up nonsense with someone you had been repeatedly told to stop stirring up nonsense with, fully understanding (because you had previously been told in no uncertain terms) that doing so would earn you that suspension.
You can lock this thread insaniak but dont erase it. You are going to swallow your own words i can guarantee you that.
It happened before and it'll happen again, maybe you missed it or maybe you ignored it. But when it happens again.... this thread will be here.
Stirring nonesense? nope it was a valid discussion about finecast. And i did a good job presenting what i wanted to say i might add, and lots of people UNDERSTOOD and agreed with me.
WarOne wrote:And if anyone has something they'd like to address, here is the perfect opportunity to do so now.
If anyone has something they feel the need to address, the PM function works 24 hours a day.
Has the PM feature ever not worked? lol?
I've always wondered that.
Though one thing I have always wondered what am I on the social ladder of dakka? rofl?
WarOne wrote:And if anyone has something they'd like to address, here is the perfect opportunity to do so now.
If anyone has something they feel the need to address, the PM function works 24 hours a day.
You forgot to include "you can PM me, but no guarantees if i feel like responding to you"
Every time I have PM'd a mod, I have gotten a quick response. I have also given Mods respect when I PM'd them, using proper grammar and speech, and addressing them as not equals, but as a judge. I was making my case. If you PM them with something like "ZOMG IM NOT WANT BANNED", then they will perhaps ignore it, or ban you for longer.
In short don't be a meanie to the Mods. Because they have the scissors ready to cut the Damocles sword.
*@Ash*
I'd have to say your the guy kissing the heel of the Mod's so your spared of their fire and possibly become a favorite.
I dunno though it's not like I was ever socially successful or anything.
*@Bombboy*
Actually you know I used to get a kick out of posting Trollbait in my earlier days of dakka...
And the point of that was to post that the thread is going up in flames faster then a Norwegian church in 1993.
WarOne wrote:And if anyone has something they'd like to address, here is the perfect opportunity to do so now.
If anyone has something they feel the need to address, the PM function works 24 hours a day.
You forgot to include "you can PM me, but no guarantees if i feel like responding to you"
Every time I have PM'd a mod, I have gotten a quick response. I have also given Mods respect when I PM'd them, using proper grammar and speech, and addressing them as not equals, but as a judge. I was making my case. If you PM them with something like "ZOMG IM NOT WANT BANNED", then they will perhaps ignore it, or ban you for longer.
In short don't be a meanie to the Mods. Because they have the scissors ready to cut the Damocles sword.
I can guarantee you, when i know im getting banned for something unfair, i'll be fighting not begging.
infact, after im done saying what i need to say i always tell (HIM) to do w/e he want.
See chowderhead, im not dumb enough to not know when someone wants me gone.
Especially when they go to the length to delete what proof i had that they misread my post.
WarOne wrote:And if anyone has something they'd like to address, here is the perfect opportunity to do so now.
If anyone has something they feel the need to address, the PM function works 24 hours a day.
You forgot to include "you can PM me, but no guarantees if i feel like responding to you"
Every time I have PM'd a mod, I have gotten a quick response. I have also given Mods respect when I PM'd them, using proper grammar and speech, and addressing them as not equals, but as a judge. I was making my case. If you PM them with something like "ZOMG IM NOT WANT BANNED", then they will perhaps ignore it, or ban you for longer.
In short don't be a meanie to the Mods. Because they have the scissors ready to cut the Damocles sword.
I can guarantee you, when i know im getting banned for something unfair, i'll be fighting not begging.
infact, after im done saying what i need to say i always tell (HIM) to do w/e he want.
See chowderhead, im not dumb enough to not know when someone wants me gone.
Especially when they go to the length to delete what proof i had that they misread my post.
And yet, you still openly insult the people who want you gone. Huh.
I can honestly say I have not had a single bad experience with the Mod team in my one year here. Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?), but I find the Mod team to do exactly what I expect them to do.
They're only people. I'm 99% sure that anybody here complaining about the Mods would not be able to perform their role any better. I think some people focus too much on the negative and isolated occurrences, rather than the myriad of good the Mod team does for this site.
Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
All you need to do is tolerate them.
Same way people tolerates you playing with little gray men.
It really REALLY goes both ways.
And honestly, i would make a REALLY bad mod.
If anyone of you that understands this sentence, feel free to msg me, i'll tell you the real story of what happens with FBI
and why im such an awful mod :3
Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
"why do you hate that which you don't understand"
Never said I hated it. I just think its strange, is all.
Yes, I play with little army men. I just draw the line at magical cartoon ponies. Never been a fan of horses.
Damn... I was gonna be the cool porn friendly Mod and I blew it!
@Luna -
I am not writing this as a Mod btw, but as someone who spoke to you as a 'regular' quite few times in the past. You were always cool with me, and I had my issues with a few of the same people you did.
This is the advice I have for you. There are a few strongly opinionated people running around on this site. You shouldn't be surprised that they keep turning up with the same opinion. I can only tell you you will drive yourself nuts trying to change their minds every time they pull the same stunts. At a certain point, you argue with them so much, you have so much evident anger with them, that you yourself can become the very type of 'character' that was making you crazy in the first place... It sucks, but argueing with someone who will not budge on their opinion just makes for derailed threads and warnings. I don't like seeing you so upset with the forum, and I know, I know! that you can be an awesome person to speak with. Let that shine through, and forget the people who are annoying you. Just pass them by, or at the very least, limit yourself to one politely dissenting post.
I hope the fact that I am now a Mod hasn't tainted me in your view, or made the above any less honest to you. I hope we can all get along nicely in the future.
To address a few more things -
Of course we are looking at this thread! Like I said, we actually care about you guys and the site, or we wouldn't be Mods! Don't be so surprised guys... We are all different people too... some will answer, some will just look.
Insaniak is spot on, the polite rule isn't just for the protection of kids as I may have made it seem in the previous post. If you guys think the site is full of hater vs apologist arguement now, imagine what it would be like if direct insulting were allowed... Can anyone here honestly tell me they think it will help make for better conversation to lay off the swearing and insult rules? Sure, some may prefer it for their personal taste, but even they, being reasonable, would have to admit it would not be for the benefit of most.
As to favoritism or 'ban-proof' users... Of course we cannot help liking some people we have or are close with. It would not be realistic to pretend that we don't have personal opinions or tastes that effect our judgement. No person can say that. But at the same time, no one is 'ban-proof'. No one will get a free pass for breaking the rules. I myself have been warned in the (distant) past. I myself have argued. Even if the Mod who did it agreed with me that the other person was being a total jerk, I still broke the rules in my response to him, and even if I was 'right', the rules are the rules. I accepted that, and I knew I was flirting with or over the line when I did it. Instead of writing back to the Mod screaming about how I was right, I took my medicine and apologized. In the end, it didn't gain me anything to yell at the other person anyways... So, please remember, the other 'ban-proof' party may have indeed gotten a warning or suspension too, we just keep details like that private to the user in question, just as we do for you. Don't assume nothing has happened or someone got off scott-free.
Finally, just because you are warned, or even suspended, doesn't mean you aren't welcome or we don't like you anymore... we have to apply the rules as consistently as possible, but it doesn't mean we don't have sympathies, or opinions seperate to that. And also just because someone slips up here and there, it doesn't mean we will be blind to their contributions and efforts here either. In my personal opinion, no one should be defined solely by one or a few actions. Everyone, and I mean everyone, has something cool about them. I usually find myself, and it has happened with a few, some in this very thread, that if you just talk to them about something other than the usual conflict topics, you will find they can be pretty cool, interesting people in many other ways, despite that one facet you hate. Look for the value added guys, if you try to find something to hate, usually you will find it sooner or later.
Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
"why do you hate that which you don't understand"
Never said I hated it. I just think its strange, is all.
Yes, I play with little army men. I just draw the line at magical cartoon ponies. Never been a fan of horses.
Well, you made it seem like "ponies were the weirdest thing ever"
Sorry If I came across as a a bit "hostile"
I just hate when people aimlessly bash things they don't know about and say its the worst thing in the world just because it isn't as "normal" as playing with little plastic men.
LunaHound wrote:Especially when they go to the length to delete what proof i had that they misread my post.
Given that we generally quote to you just what it is that you've said that got you in trouble, the post being deleted makes no difference to the moderation teams reaction to it. We don't delete posts to make it impossible for you to discuss the issue... the number of PMs and emails you have exchanged with moderators in the past should be proof of that. We do it if we think it will help the thread to get back on track, and usually keep a copy of the offending post in the user's case file.
Which also serves to allow the rest of the mod team to give their opinion of it. If you're being suspended, it's not just because some moderator is out to get you. Suspensions are reviewed and discussed by the entire mod team, and there have been cases in the past where suspensions have been reduced or removed where it was decided that the punishment was more than was warranted.
I am not writing this as a Mod btw, but as someone who spoke to you as a 'regular' quite few times in the past. You were always cool with me, and I had my issues with a few of the same people you did.
This is the advice I have for you. There are a few strongly opinionated people running around on this site. You shouldn't be surprised that they keep turning up with the same opinion. I can only tell you you will drive yourself nuts trying to change their minds every time they pull the same stunts. At a certain point, you argue with them so much, you have so much evident anger with them, that you yourself can become the very type of 'character' that was making you crazy in the first place... It sucks, but argueing with someone who will not budge on their opinion just makes for derailed threads and warnings. I don't like seeing you so upset with the forum, and I know, I know! that you can be an awesome person to speak with. Let that shine through, and forget the people who are annoying you. Just pass them by, or at the very least, limit yourself to one politely dissenting post.
I know Tom... since we know each other long before you turned mod.
And people always wonder what on earth can i possibly be banned for....
But i have no strikes left, if i look at anyone funny im gone ( even though its not what i do but )
now it just feels so hopeless. I like dakka because i know so many nice people here but.... im going to be perma banned soon for anything.
Blacksails wrote:Maybe its because I don't post in threads with 'My Little Pony' in the title (seriously though, what's up with that? Do you people genuinely *enjoy* that stuff?)
Just my thoughts on the matter.
yes, we do "enjoy" that stuff
if we didn't their wouldn't be thread about it, and said thread wouldn't be 30 pages long.
"why do you hate that which you don't understand"
Never said I hated it. I just think its strange, is all.
Yes, I play with little army men. I just draw the line at magical cartoon ponies. Never been a fan of horses.
Well, you made it seem like "ponies were the weirdest thing ever"
Sorry If I came across as a a bit "hostile"
I just hate when people aimlessly bash things they don't know about and say its the worst thing in the world just because it isn't as "normal" as playing with little plastic men.
I still think its weird, but meh, who am I to pass judgement. Some people have foot fetishes, other people like mayonnaise on their ice cream. I play with plastic army men. You like magical friendship rainbow ponies. Power to you.
Shadowbrand wrote:Wait, what Luna arguing!? *Spits on glasses and rubs them looking back at the post*
But...you don't have a mean bone in your body what the feth has been goin' on since I came back to Dakkadakka?!
Don't you know?
Calling someone "stupid" and "slowed" is ALLOWED aslong as you make claim that this is how you "feel" about the person's ideas and posts.
For example "oh thats just stupid and slowed" "but im not calling you stupid or slowed, just what you wrote"
And in the same situation, i get 3 months banned for calling someone's response "deliberately obtuse and dodging the question"
Actually, when I called someones girlfriends comment slowed, thats what started a moral lecture PM fest from a mod. Not for how I used the word- but the word itself regardless of the context.
On my quick links bar- its not DakkaDakka. Its DerpaDerpa. The quality of most of the posts has just taken a dive. How many posts a week do we see about 'wut do you uz 2 strip ur minis'? Or 'why wont my plastic glue work on this metal mini?' People use to look at the stickies and find an answer rather than making the same post someone did the day before.
@ Luna, I dont think things got any more confrontational/antagonistic here while you were gone. Rather, upon returning from your time away you noticed it because you werent used to seeing it on a regular basis. Its a trend thats been going for over a year and sadly it just seems to escalate.
Trying to make this a site for ALL gamers or ALL ages is alot of juggling, and alot of work- of which lands on the volunteer mods. The number of posters here has really grown over the years, and the mod to poster ratio is rather lopsided. This means that you might say something 'bad' 25 times and it never gets noticed, then suddenly it does get noticed and you get banned/lectured or whatever from a mod. This gives a sense of inconsistency, and can be rather frustrating. Using the 'slowed' example, its not profanity, but I was told it violated the rules even though its not actually listed anywhere in the rules. Maybe adding a few more mods, and getting them all on the same page, or at least the same book/chapter, would spread the load out a bit more and point the site in a more beneficial direction.
LunaHound wrote:But i have no strikes left, if i look at anyone funny im gone ( even though its not what i do but )
now it just feels so hopeless. I like dakka because i know so many nice people here but.... im going to be perma banned soon for anything.
We've spent a lot of time and sent a lot of messages explaining to you how to avoid that.
Ultimately, it's up to you to take responsibility for your own actions. If you choose to not change the behaviour that has earned you suspensions in the past, then you can hardly be surprised when you continue to be suspended.
Mistress of minis wrote:@ Luna, I dont think things got any more confrontational/antagonistic here while you were gone. Rather, upon returning from your time away you noticed it because you werent used to seeing it on a regular basis. Its a trend thats been going for over a year and sadly it just seems to escalate.
Mistress of minis wrote: People use to look at the stickies and find an answer ...
Yeah, that never happened, sorry. People by and large simply don't read stickies. They never have.
The change int he signal to noise ratio here is simply a side-effect of the growth of the forum. More people posting means the same topics come up more frequently. It's not a change in the type of posters, just in the sheer number of them.
Using the 'slowed' example, its not profanity, but I was told it violated the rules even though its not actually listed anywhere in the rules.
We aren't about to list every word that we consider inappropriate in the rules.
'slowed', while not generally regarded as a swear word, is one that many people find offensive when used in a derogatory fashion. Because it is such a loaded word, we prefer to discourage its use. Yes, we don't catch it every time. Probably not even most of the time... like with any other rules issue, a lot of it relies on user-alerts. And the fact that it is reported by so many users is, to our point of view, a proof that it's the right direction in this case.
It was, after the great battle of the OT forum. A division of members who were -for- keeping the OT forum. I just ran it because, well a year ago I had a lot of swag and had several of the "Popular kids" putting my organization in their addy. We once dismantled a abortion thread, a thread very akin to this. You could join but you'd have to renounce any ties you have to the Broney fandom.
But we offer health care, free dental a 25% GW discount. And you get your own power axe and flamer!
Shadowbrand wrote:It was, after the great battle of the OT forum. A division of members who were -for- keeping the OT forum. I just ran it because, well a year ago I had a lot of swag and had several of the "Popular kids" putting my organization in their addy. We once dismantled a abortion thread, a thread very akin to this. You could join but you'd have to renounce any ties you have to the Broney fandom.
But we offer health care, free dental a 25% GW discount. And you get your own power axe and flamer!
The 25% discount and health care is cool, so is the flamer and power axe....
But "I is what I is"
and I is a brony goodsir......
*tips hat and walks out the door of the secret underground headquarters*
I myself have been warned twice, and there is really only one person on Dakka I just. can't. discuss. ANYTHING. with, simply because I find his manners to be horrendous. Other than that, I really don't have a problem with Dakka at all.
I almost never get into arguements with people, though I suspect that that is mostly because I, unfortunately, don't post much worth anything.
Slarg232 wrote:I'm a Doomfart Alumi, and I'm a brony
I myself have been warned twice, and there is really only one person on Dakka I just. can't. discuss. ANYTHING. with, simply because I find his manners to be horrendous. Other than that, I really don't have a problem with Dakka at all.
I almost never get into arguements with people, though I suspect that that is mostly because I, unfortunately, don't post much worth anything.
So I can be part of doomfart AND be a brony.....I do enjoy being part of a "radical" group that likes to banter on facebook.
I am not writing this as a Mod btw, but as someone who spoke to you as a 'regular' quite few times in the past. You were always cool with me, and I had my issues with a few of the same people you did.
This is the advice I have for you. There are a few strongly opinionated people running around on this site. You shouldn't be surprised that they keep turning up with the same opinion. I can only tell you you will drive yourself nuts trying to change their minds every time they pull the same stunts. At a certain point, you argue with them so much, you have so much evident anger with them, that you yourself can become the very type of 'character' that was making you crazy in the first place... It sucks, but argueing with someone who will not budge on their opinion just makes for derailed threads and warnings. I don't like seeing you so upset with the forum, and I know, I know! that you can be an awesome person to speak with. Let that shine through, and forget the people who are annoying you. Just pass them by, or at the very least, limit yourself to one politely dissenting post.
I know Tom... since we know each other long before you turned mod.
And people always wonder what on earth can i possibly be banned for....
But i have no strikes left, if i look at anyone funny im gone ( even though its not what i do but )
now it just feels so hopeless. I like dakka because i know so many nice people here but.... im going to be perma banned soon for anything.
Not necessarily Luna. It's not like if things go well for months on end it wouldn't be taken into account! But I can guarantee you, that you seem so angry right now, and so resigned to it happening that you are acting in a manner that says 'The hell with it I don't care since it's going to happen anyways'. It makes you come off as aggressive, not frustrated. I think you are very frustrated myself, and I think I understand that based on our previous 'regular' talks. Trust me when I tell you that no one wants to ban anyone. But both sides can get frustrated of course! Please, if you can, please try to stop seeing any Mod as the enemy. If you truly want to stay here at Dakka, we of course want that to be that outcome so long as your stay can be a calm and friendly one.
Try to step outside of your personal feelings built up over years for a moment, and look how you spoke to Chowder in this thread. Try to imagine how it sounds to someone reading you for the first time. Try to imagine the kind of person that reader would think was writing... You have so many more sides to you than angry and combative, whatever happend that got you to this point, it is never too late to let it go and start over... you are still here!
That being said though, and this is the part so many hate... it is up to us to make final decisions on situations. It's not about being powerful, or being better than anyone, it is just the job we have here. I am not going to pretend we will always be 100% right, but in the end, if a final say has to happen, it has to come from us. In one of your responses to Chowder, you said you will not beg but fight a decision you disagree with from a Mod... but there are other options... acceptance is one... Realization that whatever it was, chances are, this being a forum about toy soldiers, that it isn't worth getting mad about anyways. The truth is Luna, we need your help more often than not, not the other way around. Sometimes, when we see a thread could get bad and derail, we ask people to stop. Most assume that is either an endorsement or condemnation or whatever argument led to the request... but really, it could just be that we feel that the argument will never end, especially if both people are known antagonists and tend to post for pages on end when they get worked up. Sometimes when we ask someone to stop, it isnt because we are telling them they are wrong or bad, it is quite simply 'Look, this may get ugly.. could you do me a solid and just let it drop for everyone else's sake, or to let the thread continue on for others instead of becoming a public arguement between a few people?' At that moment, some people think 'Feth you I am being very logical why are you picking on me???' and some think 'Ah... that other guy is an idiot, but whatever I'll do you a solid and let it go'.
Keep your head down a bit... post over in P and M, check out some fiction threads... enmesh yourself in places where absolutist arguments rarely happen and hopefully, you will be able to go long enough without any problems that you start to feel comfortable again. But honestly, and as a friend and not a Mod, you need to cool off and lower the conflict level, for yourself, before anyone else. I know you are a smart and capable girl and that you can recognize the behaviors that are getting you into trouble. I don't think, if you really look at them hard, that any of these events are really that important in and of themselves...just let all this stuff go, find positive things again. If you can swing that, not only will you be staying, but I think you will actually really enjoy it here again!
K... Tom i will post in P&M,
i was going to but i thought i shouldn't because they arnt painted >.<
it even had my first attempt of using green stuff lol
Shadowbrand wrote:Will all the brony's that have been accepted into Doomfart in my absence. Please report to the giant vat of Molson Canadian for purification.
The mods are pretty cool people, guys, and they have hearts and all that jazz. I used to be D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T., but left since the mods were very kind enough to leave my VERY blogy, VERY personal thread open during a tough time for me, and for that, I am their man.
LunaHound wrote:K... Tom i will post in P&M,
i was going to but i thought i shouldn't because they arnt painted >.<
it even had my first attempt of using green stuff lol
I GUARANTEE you that will be much more enjoyable and fulfilling than arguing with you know who lol
insaniak wrote:'slowed', while not generally regarded as a swear word, is one that many people find offensive when used in a derogatory fashion. Because it is such a loaded word, we prefer to discourage its use. Yes, we don't catch it every time. Probably not even most of the time... like with any other rules issue, a lot of it relies on user-alerts. And the fact that it is reported by so many users is, to our point of view, a proof that it's the right direction in this case.
Which is a nonsense in itself.
1. People don't have the right to not be offended. And if you are offended... what happens? Nothing. Other than getting over it. 2. It doesn't allow for the natural way the meanings of words change over time. Do you know the different uses of the word 'fa--g--got'*? Do you know how many different things it means? slow fits the same bill. It doesn't just have one meaning - look it up - so to censor it after the fact (as it's not in the word filter) just strikes me as a bit... well... slowed**!
*I had to put the dashes in there because the word filter won't let me use that word otherwise, which kinda proves the point I'm making when you feel about it. Hell, I can't even type it without the 'got' at the end, because it changes it to cigarette, which is hilarious! **The word 'slowed', in this context, being used to describe something that 'hinders' or 'impedes', one of the word's 5 possible meanings that I can find at short notice.
Mistress of minis wrote:
Actually, when I called someones girlfriends comment slowed, thats what started a moral lecture PM fest from a mod. Not for how I used the word- but the word itself regardless of the context.
I have to agree with the mods that the use of 'slowed' outside of discussing chemical reactions is pretty derogatory when you stop and think about it.
On my quick links bar- its not DakkaDakka. Its DerpaDerpa. The quality of most of the posts has just taken a dive. How many posts a week do we see about 'wut do you uz 2 strip ur minis'? Or 'why wont my plastic glue work on this metal mini?' People use to look at the stickies and find an answer rather than making the same post someone did the day before.
Interestingly enough, you're not the first person to have voiced this complaint. You're also not the first person I've heard offer it and be quick to state that it's one of the reasons why they've given up posting here so much. I agree with you completely though, I feel like the quality of posts on DD has kind of gone downhill from even just a year ago. There's two things that can be blamed though for it. There's the influx of new posters, sure, which is a problem because they need educating on proper forum etiquette, but there's also the abandonment of older posters who were the ones usually providing the quality posts. In short, I'm saying that by giving up on the forum and not posting here much anymore, you're not making things better.
Besides, I always enjoyed your posts in P&M. You do good works.
insaniak wrote:'slowed', while not generally regarded as a swear word, is one that many people find offensive when used in a derogatory fashion. Because it is such a loaded word, we prefer to discourage its use. Yes, we don't catch it every time. Probably not even most of the time... like with any other rules issue, a lot of it relies on user-alerts. And the fact that it is reported by so many users is, to our point of view, a proof that it's the right direction in this case.
Which is a nonsense in itself.
1. People don't have the right to not be offended. And if you are offended... what happens? Nothing. Other than getting over it.
2. It doesn't allow for the natural way the meanings of words change over time. Do you know the different uses of the word 'fa--g--got'? Do you know how many different things it means? slow fits the same bill. It doesn't just have one meaning - look it up, so to censor it after the fact (as it's not in the word filter) just strikes me as a bit... well... slowed*!
*The word 'slowed', in this context, being used to describe something that 'hinders' or 'impedes', one of the word's 5 possible meanings that I can find at short notice.
Yes, but it does offend people, and offending people is being rude, read: rule 1 of dakka
As a complete aside, I love Luna's phrasing there - 'turned Mod', as if Tom was bitten by something and is no longer human.
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bombboy1252 wrote:Yes, but it does offend people, and offending people is being rude, read: rule 1 of dakka
I find using a specific word to be offensive. That word is 'the'. Everyone who uses 'the' should be banned because I find it offensive, and being offensive is being rude, and being rude is against the rules.
You see how dumb that is??? Actually no - let me start again:
Do you see how slowed (in this context: obstructive/what a hindrance) that is? People can be offended by anything, and if we allow 'being offended' to dictate everything here then nothing works.
H.B.M.C. wrote:As a complete aside, I love Luna's phrasing there - 'turned Mod', as if Tom was bitten by something and is no longer human.
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bombboy1252 wrote:Yes, but it does offend people, and offending people is being rude, read: rule 1 of dakka
I find using a specific word to be offensive. That word is 'the'. Everyone who uses 'the' should be banned because I find it offensive, and being offensive is being rule, and being rude is against the rules.
You see how dumb that is???
That's not the same thing, theirs a good number of people that get offended by the word "slowed" if its directed at them.
But in you're example you are the only person the doesn't like the word "the"
1. That's a slowed way of thinking! In this context, 'slowed' is being used to demonstrate how that person's way of thinking is obstructive to whatever the subject happens to be.
2. You'd have to be slowed to think that way! In this context 'slowed' is being used as a comparison device, that is to say the person is comparing the thinker with someone who has medical retardation.
One is offensive as the word is being used in a pejorative manner. One is a simple (and correct) use of the word. Guess which one is which.
1. That's a slowed way of thinking!
In this context, 'slowed' is being used to demonstrate how that person's way of thinking is obstructive to whatever the subject happens to be.
2. You'd have to be slowed to think that way!
In this context 'slowed' is being used as a comparison device, that is to say the person is comparing the thinker with someone who has medical retardation.
One is offensive as the word is being used in a pejorative manner. One is a simple (and correct) use of the word. Guess which one is which.
example 1. can also be taken like example 2 though,
they may be referring his way of thinking to that of a mentally ill person...
Correct, but who is to say that other than the person making the post?
And this is my point exactly:
Anyone can be offended by anything. Being offended is subjective. My first example, in the context of obstruction (which is one of the definition of 'slow'), that comment is inoffensive. The way Dakka works though, if 99 people understood that and 1 person felt 'offended' that would be enough to get the poster warned, the post edited and so on.
That's why 'being offended' is never a good way to operate.
H.B.M.C. wrote:1. People don't have the right to not be offended. And if you are offended... what happens? Nothing. Other than getting over it.
That's a two-way street. We ask people to try to respect the opinions and feelings of other posters because that makes the forum a less unpleasant place to be. Which, ultimately, is what all of our moderation is about.
**The word 'slowed', in this context, being used to describe something that 'hinders' or 'impedes', one of the word's 5 possible meanings that I can find at short notice.
Illustrating exactly why it isn't automatically filtered. It's the context that makes the word offensive or not.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I find using a specific word to be offensive. That word is 'the'. Everyone who uses 'the' should be banned because I find it offensive, and being offensive is being rude, and being rude is against the rules.
And this is why we have human moderators interpreting the rules instead of leaving it up to a computer program that deals in absolutes.
Do you see how slowed (in this context: obstructive/what a hindrance) that is? People can be offended by anything, and if we allow 'being offended' to dictate everything here then nothing works.
Sure, 'people' can be offended by anything. And we can't possibly run the forum in a way that ensures that nobody will ever be offended by anything.
What we can do though is try to find the road that leads to a level of needless antagonism or possible offense that is at least tolerable for the masses. The forum is a community of people from all over the world. We look for a middle ground where those people can all come together and share the same space with the least possible amount of conflict... because, ultimately, we're all here to kick back and talk about our hobby, and that should be relaxing, not a walk through the dark, dark woods at midnight.
Lol, I have a bad case of mod-leprocy now I guess HBMC lol
On topic to the word 'slow'
I love that word. I use it far too often IRL. I think it is downright bloody musical. I also don't personally really picture someone with a genetic disorder when I say it... it is just a descriptive word implying stupidity to me... which is in and of itself kind of stupid I suppose lol.
The thing is, I used it once talking about something with someone we all know and is generally really liked here. I sure like him. I threw it out as casually as you all mention you did, as a descriptor to an event, not as an insult to a person.
I was pretty shocked when this well liked person told me he was offended by it... I asked him why with a 'lol'... Turns out, I had no idea he even had kids, but he didn't like it because his daughter has downs and the word just wasn't funny at all to him. It is a word that in his view, makes his daughter small and diminished, and he loves that girl. He doesn't like a word that limits and excludes her.
What the hell do you say to that??? Hey dude you are wrong? He's not. To us it is a slang word, not an insult to a group of people. It doesn't mean that much to us. Most the time maybe that is even true. But my God people, to this guy, it hurts like hell. I'll be damned if I use it again too, because I would rather give up the 1000 times I think it would be funny or sassy to say it than risk hurting my friend in regards to his child even once.
It's not always as easy as it seems guys... again, please trust us that if we say a word isn't acceptable, there is a pretty good reason why. Some of you may think that is too soft or that this person should tough up, but that isn't how we roll at Dakka. Try to remember, one day, that attitude may protect you too, instead of just taking away a word you don't really need anyways.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Correct, but who is to say that other than the person making the post?
Everybody who reads it.
That's the point here. What you meant when you wrote what you did is ultimately secondary to how people are going to read it. We can't read your mind... we just have to rely on what you wrote, and our own interpretation of it.
Which is exactly why we ask people to make that extra effort to be inoffensive. The written word is easily misconstrued.
Just don't be offensive, or use the word "slowed" as an adjective for another person, leave that word for science experiments...or at the very least, just say it to you're friends IRL
H.B.M.C. wrote:Correct, but who is to say that other than the person making the post?
Everybody who reads it.
That's the point here. What you meant when you wrote what you did is ultimately secondary to how people are going to read it. We can't read your mind... we just have to rely on what you wrote, and our own interpretation of it.
Which is exactly why we ask people to make that extra effort to be inoffensive. The written word is easily misconstrued.
And thats the ultimate problem here.
I don't like it when you let people call me stupid and a slow. Then they changed it to they called my way of thinking stupid and slowed.
I didn't want to point fingers, but obviously many innocent mods are getting caught in my anger.
So im going to point. You.
I've been banned about 18 times but actually been rude on about 6 of those occasions.
Most of the mods are best mates with the bloke that runs the site, and that Jankh bloke who recently joined bans you with a frankly laughable ease if he decides he doesn't like you.
That said, its a private site not a democracy. If you don't like the forum don't post. I like the crack with the lads so i merely wait the bans out and come back as normal.
LunaHound wrote:I don't like it when you let people call me stupid and a slow. Then they changed it to they called my way of thinking stupid and slowed.
Without knowing just what incident you're talking about, I really can't comment on it. There is a fine line, however, between addressing a poster's opinion and attacking the poster. People will often disagree as to just where that line is... but ultimately, on Dakka it's the moderators' job to determine just when that line has been crossed.
As Tom said, we don't claim to get it right 100% of the time. But we do try. We're not out to get anyone. We're not all crazed with this supposed 'power' that people periodically complain about us being hungry for (Because nothing makes me feel more powerful than wasting an hour of my morning Dakka time exchanging emails with a 45-year-old man who can't understand why calling someone an idiot is considered rude). We're just wargaming fans who are giving up our time on a forum we love in order to try to make that forum a more pleasant place for those who come here.
If you have issues with that moderation, we're open to discuss it. That doesn't mean we will agree with you... but it does mean that opinions other than our own are considered.
As Tom said, we don't claim to get it right 100% of the time. But we do try. We're not out to get anyone.
Yeah YOU might not be, but some are. I can sympathise with loads of the comments in here!
There isn't a harsh and rigorous selection process to being a mod on dakkadakka is there? I've never had an issue with most of the mods, but there are definitely a few slip through the net who behave like an irate milk monitor in an elementary school.
Its not like Yak has a lengthy interview procedure and an employee training programme is it?
I would close the barrier between D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T and the Mods.
...*Cackle* No I shall cast my favoritism onto my noble legionaries who have braved the long war in my absence!
And actually. The anime fan's are safe. Because believe it or not. Shadowbrand occasionally watches anime. Namely from the 80-90's era. Anime now is just little girls with freaky powers and plot that takes your brain and does things to it Dark Eldar would on a pain Olympics game.
insaniak wrote:Because nothing makes me feel more powerful than wasting an hour of my morning Dakka time exchanging emails with a 45-year-old man who can't understand why calling someone an idiot is considered rude.
Thank you for that nice example, insaniak...
I think it's what people don't understand about your "job" : it's a matter of responsibility, not power.
It probably involves more care & patience to be a Mod than what a dozen users could ever give to the site.
But you summed it up better, just below :
insaniak wrote:We're just wargaming fans who are giving up our time on a forum we love in order to try to make that forum a more pleasant place for those who come here.
I really don't get people accusing the Mods of inconsistency.
Right, so you noticed a rude comment in thread #152.688.487 ? Great, did you report it ? Or do you expect a small team of less than 15 guys (who have real lifes to live, too : they're not hard-wired to their computer) to read each and every single post in the Dakka behemoth ?
No, obviously, they cannot read & notice everything. I would also bet that some even take some vacation, sometimes, or go to places where they can't have access to the internet (yes, that still exists even in our enlightened days). So yeah, that makes for more work for the others !
So, the Dakka rules are like LAW in real life : it's meant to give guidelines & a behaviour code. Some will not get caught & will get away with it. You want to trespass the rules ? Fine with you, go ahead : just don't complain when you get caught.
In all honesty, I don't wander much into the most controversial areas of Dakka. Aside from the already horrendous amount of time I spend in what I think are the interesting parts of Dakka (DCM Mosh Pit and all the various P&M sub-fora), the main reason is that there are too many pointless conflicts in the other areas. Pointless conflicts, that usually attract the eyes of the Mods, as all they foster is harsh language, trolling & flaming.
I think their job is not that easy, and requires a huge dedication, as well as an unwavering faith in our hobby & in the site. Otherwise, most would soon quit when faced with the rude behaviour they are tasked with policing every day.
I've never had any issues with mods, so I've got no complaints about them. I've seen some things pop up in threads that should have been dealt with before they got worse and never were, but as it's been stated there aren't that many mods so I can't expect them to show up the second I signal the flag. I haven't been here that long though, so I can't say my words are all that valuable to this thread when compared to others.
I've also always wondered how I would handle being a mod, and not just in this forum. I have a tendency to be a very opinionated person, but when I've got a job to do that requires I don an appropriate mask, all of that goes away. I imagine I wouldn't be the greatest of mods because of that; I have no problem becoming cold and emotionless.
Example
Person A - What do you use to strip minis?
Person B - Depends on your location.
Person A - Texas
Person B - Oh ok, well you need to get such and such. By the way how is the weather there? I heard it's insanely hot.
Necroshea[MOD] - THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STRIPPING NOT WEATHER GET BACK ON TOPIC OR I'LL BLESS YOU WITH A PM
It's a bit extreme for sure, but I imagine it would be something to that effect. I also find it particularly annoying when a thread is taking place and people just keep posting OT comments that gunk everything up. When I'm reading a thread about anything, I don't want to go through post after post of people complaining about something when I would rather be reading about the actual OP and legitimate responses to it.
Example
Person A - What do you use to strip minis?
Person B - Depends on your location.
Person A - Texas
Person B - Oh ok, well you need to get such and such. By the way how is the weather there? I heard it's insanely hot.
Necroshea[MOD] - THIS THREAD IS ABOUT STRIPPING NOT WEATHER GET BACK ON TOPIC OR I'LL BLESS YOU WITH A PM
Really it's closer to:
Person A - I think this!
Person B - Well I think this!
Person A - Why is the thing you think better than the thing I think?
Person B - Because of XYZ.
Person A - Well I think that's silly.
Person C - I agree with person A.
[MOD] - YOU CALLED HIM SILLY PERSON A! WEEK BAN! AND YOU AGREED WITH HIM PERSON C! MONTH BAN!
Yea, if you TOTALLY over generalize what happened, it does go down like that. You forgot to add all the nice insulting 57 back and forth comments between the two, where they basically not only insult each other, but one is an atheist and so says many insulting remarks towards the religious DAKKA folks.
I suspect this will brand me a mod apologist, but I've never really had a problem with the moderation here. I'll admit it's occasionally uneven and I've occasionally disagreed with their decisions, but that's any forum that I'm not moderating. While it drives me nuts that Luna is apparently on the verge of suspension while User Who Won't Be Named Who Only Ever Posts The Same Flamy Comment Over and Over seems to be OK, on the whole I think they do a tremendous job for being an army of essentially unpaid interns, trying to make it an open, fair, and fun place for discussions. Granted, when I see a post that is obviously a rulebreaker, rather then assume some Mod allowed it, I just presume they haven't see it yet and hit the yellow triangle of friendship. It's a big forum and I doubt they can see everything all the time.
This thread kind of paints the mods into an awkward corner. If Johnny Drama Troll comes and says "Hay Guyz I got banned just for saying someone was being unfriendly", are the mods allowed to post "No, you got banned for calling someone a buttwaffle"? I suspect not.
Also, kinda surprised that the British slang word for cigarettes is filtered here. While it can be offensive in the US, in that context it's not and it's not offensive in the UK right? I guess it's one of those 99 times out of 100 it's used, it's in the naughty context.
Truthfully I find it's best to just avoid the OT section. Partially because it's seems like that's where the warnings happens, partially because I can talk about that stuff elsewhere, but mostly because if I step foot in there, there's one guy who will guaranteed pop up immediately, stalker style, and disagree with whatever I said and call me stupid in a non-rulebreaking way. It's just frustrating that I know if I opine that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, that guy's on me like white on rice showing me a chart proving I don't know what I'm talking about.
Already we've had multiple moderators come on this thread, not destroying it or us, and given their two sense... I agree with the majority on here that the moderators on here are human and prone to mistakes, and since everyone needs a chance to step back and evaluate their progress, this forum is for exactly that...
I can sympathize completely with you guys who are being banned rediculous amounts of time for a simple disagreement. This kind of modding needs to stop before you have people on here get really nasty and the moderators should be policing up there own in an attempt to remove power hungry individuals who got picked last for playing sports...
Once again you all are doing fantastic... keep the comments coming... The Moderators will appreciate it Im sure...
Oh... and I thought that since its a forum about Brit made games, wouldnt it "bad form"? not "Rude"? to use slowed? lol
As the foremost contributor to this site, I believe the mods here are much better than many other forums I've been on except for one point: I've deserved to be banned before and it's never happened. Do with that what you will
Really they only get the side of the story that they get so it's no surprise that details get lost in translation. I think religion has been modded about a little in favor of the religious, but it's going to be impossible to completely impartial. Overall I post here less as of late because I've been trying to censor my thoughts more... appropriately, but I'm still posting here if that says something.
Ouze wrote:... it drives me nuts that Luna is apparently on the verge of suspension while User Who Won't Be Named Who Only Ever Posts The Same Flamy Comment Over and Over seems to be OK...
That is really sad actually. But who could you possibly be talking about I wonder...
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:As the foremost contributor to this site
To be honest Ouze all the smoker Brits I know call them ciggies, the other word has tended to be dropped thanks to the influence of Americana, and the fact it is now know as a derogatory word towards to homosexuals.
As to Mods, never had an issue here on Dakka. I've been a assistant Admin and Mod at other sites, know its a thankless task in general, but when done well, makes a site much more friendly to be at.
It's thanks largely to how this site is run that I have the largest Forum count here over anywhere else on the net. Well that and the 'art' thread in DCM, but I'd best not go into that.
I've never had a problem with Mods.
I think when I first started here I wasn't aware of the PG-13 nature of the site. So I got a slap on the wrist for saying something that was a little explicit, can't remember what it was though.
Ultimately, whether 'slowed' is offensive or derogatory or not, it's unnecessary; you could just say it's a bad idea (and then why) or whatever, it's just common courtesy. If you were talking to people you didn't know, you'd probably act the same.
As for Mods not replying to PM's; whilst I agree, they should most of the time, they are also working people who have their own lives and own jobs that occupy their time and they'd probably hope to come on Dakka to enjoy it when they can; their time to reply to PM's is probably quite limited and often their motivation lacking if the PM is impolite etc. I know I'm prone to not replying to PM's (not least due to time constraints) and I don't have to share the responsibilities that Mods do, nor the rudeness that they probably experience.
infinite_array wrote:Luck of the draw?
This too. The mods are human and can't see everything and know the whole story.
It's inevitable they miss some things and make some mistakes, it's the luck of the draw and a result of being human; I (and most others) think they do the best they under the circumstances.
That someone said "I tried to email a moderator about my many bans" says something IMHO; that someone has received 'many' bans suggests that a lot of those have been justified.
Similarly, as MGS said "if you've been warned twice in under 30 posts, you should take a look at what you're posting"
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I'm not a Mod-apologist, but ultimately, they are volunteers that do an unpaid job that often goes unrecognised and has to deal with the people have been behaving in such a way that warrants moderation. Of course mistakes are made and some mods may be more 'heavy handed' than others, but it's commonly agreed Dakka is a very well moderated site and better than other sites of similar content.
Maybe I'm actually just a tree-hugging-hippie, but I don't find it difficult to be polite/civil and show basic courtesy; it doesn't take much effort to avoid being rude, or at the very least it shouldn't take much effort to avoid being rude.
It seems that a lot of people are 'repeat offenders'; if you do something wrong or inappropriate and you get punished because of it then you should probably learn from it.
I'm fine with the mods really, I do wish some of the crap that is posted would be taken out ASAP rather than waiting for the poster to get themselves banned.
Some words like 'slowed' or 'bastard' have legitimate meanings.
But I don't like seeing people using' slow' as a pejorative, the same goes for 'gay'. Which is typically used by younger generations. I'm all for people being pulled up on using these words in this manner.
The problem with any Mod is ultimately, he is human. The perfect Mod is cold, calculating, and distant from the issue. I've seen a few who have slipped up and pushed their agenda's, though I bear no grudge.
If it makes you both feel better, they're all the worst DOOMFARTers.
I've only received one warning, for when as a joke I twisted a post someone made trolling one of the armies I played into one they played. Next time I'm just hitting the happy triangle. I've yet to see a problem with the mods.
You know, mods and police are like my parents. They are sick and tired of having to deal with peoples' gak all the time and having to sort out people that should be mature and be able to behave themsevles and deal with things on their own. So instead of trying to get to the bottom of every case, when they get about 10+ cases per day, its simpler to just give everyone five across the eyes and a boot to the backside, and then fetch the bat for anyone that wants to pop their heads up afterward.
Become a parent of at least three kids. I dare you. And I dare you not to react in anger and drop the banhammer on all three of them and actually find out who started it.
and I agree with some of what's been said earlier, dakka dakka has made a slide into worse manners, but thats simply because the user base has grown at a rate with which mod's can't keep up., and every snotfaced tool thinks he can speak however he wants to on the internet just cause he thinks he can hide. I've gotten the warnings and suspensions too. And you know what? They were deserved.
I have had encounters with two mods, I think. But I was polite with them and mature, and they were so polite my eyes burned from their sockets and I had to get new ones, I am exaggerating of course, but they were polite, explained stuff to me, and I walked away a better person
Not trying to be a mod apologist, but its pretty much the truth
Shadowbrand wrote:I would close the barrier between D.O.O.M.F.A.R.T and the Mods.
...*Cackle* No I shall cast my favoritism onto my noble legionaries who have braved the long war in my absence!
And actually. The anime fan's are safe. Because believe it or not. Shadowbrand occasionally watches anime. Namely from the 80-90's era. Anime now is just little girls with freaky powers and plot that takes your brain and does things to it Dark Eldar would on a pain Olympics game.
what are your views on romance anime
EDIT:
when I posted this, I thought it was going to be put on the end of my last post sorry
Asherian Command wrote:*Rides back from the battle bloodied and bleeding*
Damn no one told me the other dakknauts had guns! HERSEY!
Anyway wow i come back and we are up to page 7. Wowowowowowow
I agree with the mods thus far.
Even though I am the Master of Demotivitional arts.
You were still battling, I got killed by trolls a few minuets after we left to crusade in the name of the moderation
you didn't even try to help me
All is fair in love and war mate.
I knew who can live and who won't live before i leave for battle. Plus you looked fine you were just straggling in the bushes it seemed. Sorry my scouts failed at reporting anything like that.
Asherian Command wrote:*Rides back from the battle bloodied and bleeding*
Damn no one told me the other dakknauts had guns! HERSEY!
Anyway wow i come back and we are up to page 7. Wowowowowowow
I agree with the mods thus far.
Even though I am the Master of Demotivitional arts.
You were still battling, I got killed by trolls a few minuets after we left to crusade in the name of the moderation
you didn't even try to help me
All is fair in love and war mate.
I knew who can live and who won't live before i leave for battle. Plus you looked fine you were just straggling in the bushes it seemed. Sorry my scouts failed at reporting anything like that.
I saw you're "scouts" they just laughed at me as the trolls hit me with giant clubs made completely of pure nerd-rage essence, I fought hard....but their was SO much nerd-rage
Asherian Command wrote:*Rides back from the battle bloodied and bleeding*
Damn no one told me the other dakknauts had guns! HERSEY!
Anyway wow i come back and we are up to page 7. Wowowowowowow
I agree with the mods thus far.
Even though I am the Master of Demotivitional arts.
You were still battling, I got killed by trolls a few minuets after we left to crusade in the name of the moderation
you didn't even try to help me
All is fair in love and war mate.
I knew who can live and who won't live before i leave for battle. Plus you looked fine you were just straggling in the bushes it seemed. Sorry my scouts failed at reporting anything like that.
I saw you're "scouts" they just laughed at me as the trolls hit me with giant clubs made completely of pure nerd-rage essence, I fought hard....but their was SO much nerd-rage
Ah then the scouts should be prom-! Wait I mean whipped for their transactions! I just relizied something dakka needs a thing that we can cross out words that we type out just for fun like the underline thing through a word. That would be interesting.
It looks like this thread will be locked if we don't stay on topic.
The Mods are good, some users don't like the fact they are basically dictators under a larger bigger dictator group but lets face it, you either stay here on dakka dakka or get out.
Ya, it's kinda "if you don't like to behave like a mature adult" than get out... I don't go to dakka to see people act like cynical bastards that insult people without actually "insulting" said person, or even when they do upfront call someone an idiot...
n0t_u wrote:It does, it's called strikeout and is done the same as bold but with a s.
When did this hpapen?
Thats utter gak awesome but i can't find it on the toolbar thing.
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bombboy1252 wrote:Ya, it's kinda "if you don't like to behave like a mature adult" than get out... I don't go to dakka to see people act like cynical bastards that insult people without actually "insulting" said person, or even when they do upfront call someone an idiot...
n0t_u wrote:It does, it's called strikeout and is done the same as bold but with a s.
When did this hpapen?
Thats utter gak awesome but i can't find it on the toolbar thing.
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bombboy1252 wrote:Ya, it's kinda "if you don't like to behave like a mature adult" than get out... I don't go to dakka to see people act like cynical bastards that insult people without actually "insulting" said person, or even when they do upfront call someone an idiot...
Kanluwen! comes to mind doesn't he?
Kanluwen can definitely be a bit cynical at times, but he's not the worst dakka has, I enjoy watching him correct people on the tiniest bit of fluff....over...and over...again.
MajorTom11 wrote:Man... lol. I am pretty new, so I will chip in here as I don't have a long track record of conflict just yet!
Guys, I have been a Mod about 3 weeks, and in that time, most of the conflicts I have encountered occur from lack of communication... Either we don't get what was intended due to our misunderstanding, or you guys don't communicate as clearly as you think...
Karon, since you brought up your incident, I can mention you are a prime example. Reading what you wrote about that quote makes sense I suppose from your viewpoint (as in you calling that guy out, not endorsing him)... from my own seeing it at the time though, there was no indication of you either approving or disapproving of that awful statement. No smiley, frowney, *sigh* or anything to say you thought this was the wrong thing to say. It was just a really hateful statement repeated. In any case, you probably thought the intent your message was clear from your own point of view, but it honestly wasn't from the outside. A prime example of how relatively good intentions got mangled up by the interwebs, and was completely misinterpreted by some of the audience.
At the end of the day though, even in condemnation, it is not the kind of thing we want regularly plastered over the forum every time you post... I understand you motivation, and can even appreciate it... but rule #1 goes for everyone, always. Even those you/we might not think deserve it.
Throughout, I threw my hate at that bastard because he is a lowlife of a human being, and nobody should forget that.
If we forget about what happened in the past, it WILL be repeated in the future.
I just think its ridiculous how y'all can ban me for 16 days just like that, without doing any research on the context of those quotes. Oh, and why did it take 20 days for me to be banned?
Whatever, me arguing won't do gak. I've been here for two years, I know the rules from the many bans I've gotten in the past, but at least be consistent and take more than 2 minutes contemplation/research when banning ANYONE.
n0t_u wrote:It does, it's called strikeout and is done the same as bold but with a s.
When did this hpapen?
Thats utter gak awesome but i can't find it on the toolbar thing.
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bombboy1252 wrote:Ya, it's kinda "if you don't like to behave like a mature adult" than get out... I don't go to dakka to see people act like cynical bastards that insult people without actually "insulting" said person, or even when they do upfront call someone an idiot...
Kanluwen! comes to mind doesn't he?
Kanluwen can definitely be a bit cynical at times, but he's not the worst dakka has, I enjoy watching him correct people on the tiniest bit of fluff....over...and over...again.
especially on the blood ravens, btw we should talk about this on doomfart's website....
Anyway. mods are good and users are good only problem is some users need a ban others don't.
I'm still not sure why I got the one warning I did.
Never was any context, as I recall I'd posted something from a liberal Christian perspective in a thread between the ultra conservative Christian contingent and the atheist hard core, and a mod who is gone gave me a warning and as I recall deleted my post. I probably would have been happier with it if it ha been explained to me what I'd said that was offensive.
poda_t wrote:You know, mods and police are like my parents. They are sick and tired of having to deal with peoples' gak all the time and having to sort out people that should be mature and be able to behave themsevles and deal with things on their own. So instead of trying to get to the bottom of every case, when they get about 10+ cases per day, its simpler to just give everyone five across the eyes and a boot to the backside, and then fetch the bat for anyone that wants to pop their heads up afterward.
Become a parent of at least three kids. I dare you. And I dare you not to react in anger and drop the banhammer on all three of them and actually find out who started it.
and I agree with some of what's been said earlier, dakka dakka has made a slide into worse manners, but thats simply because the user base has grown at a rate with which mod's can't keep up., and every snotfaced tool thinks he can speak however he wants to on the internet just cause he thinks he can hide. I've gotten the warnings and suspensions too. And you know what? They were deserved.
I think this is a really good post myself.
CT GAMER wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:I got banned for agreeing with someone who got a warning.
WarlordRob117 wrote:I can sympathize completely with you guys who are being banned rediculous amounts of time for a simple disagreement. This kind of modding needs to stop before you have people on here get really nasty and the moderators should be policing up there own in an attempt to remove power hungry individuals who got picked last for playing sports...
'This kind of modding' doesn't happen anywhere near as often as people would have you believe. For one thing, a lot of people will try to downplay whatever it was they did to earn moderator attention. For another, the whole issue that some posters have with warnings or suspensions comes from disagreeing with a moderator's opinion of what constitutes acceptable behaviour. If poster X doesn't think that what he wrote was rude, then clearly the mod is in the wrong...
For the latter, it comes down to this: The mods are the guys who were 'hired' to maintain the site in a way that fits the view of the administrators as to what sort of site they want Dakka to be. If you don't agree with that view, that's fine... but railing against it isn't going to change it. You agreed to abide by the forum rules when you signed up. If the end result of having to abide by those rules is that your chosen standard of behaviour isn't a good fit for the site, and you prefer to not change that standard to better fit in, then you're ultimately going to be better off finding somewhere else to post rather than railing against the system.
The moderators do 'police their own'... Actions taken against posters are recorded in that poster's case file for the rest of the team to see and discuss where necessary. If one of us goes too far, the others can point it out and correct the issue if necessary. So if you receive a suspension, that's not just one mod on a power-trip. That's the moderation team agreeing that in this situation a suspension was warranted.
At the end of the day, we don't ask for much. Dakka's primary rule is simply to be polite... no more than would be expected of you in any real-life social situation.
Now I feel smug about never recieving a ban or a warning. Although I've only been on Dakka a few months...
Anyway, I think the Mods are very good on this site but they're human and occasionally act too harshly/too lenient. Dakka is a massive site and I don't blame them for not always sifting through the mountains of crap to find the arse responsible. Some people are just unlucky enough to be caught more often.
The mods usually do something if you hit that nice little triangle at the top right of a post you think is going out of hand, anyone complaining that "well he did the same thing on thread x and nothing happened to him" well....did you flag the post? and for all you know he could have gotten a warning through PM...
bombboy1252 wrote:The mods usually do something if you hit that nice little triangle at the top right of a post you think is going out of hand, anyone complaining that "well he did the same thing on thread x and nothing happened to him" well....did you flag the post? and for all you know he could have gotten a warning through PM...
First of all you didn't join dakka long enough to know "who" we are all discussing here or know the history behind it.
The fact that we are all discussing the same "person" should give you some sort of a clue that this is beyond the typical "luck in dodging discipline" or "just a misunderstanding"
And the fact that this has been going on for years and everything is still well for him and im a gonner should be enough of a clue.
That is unless.... you are a sock puppet account. If you are not one, then know you are new and don't know the whole story to be judging the others.
See, the majority of mod team are doing their jobs, no one is saying they weren't.
However for what ever reasons there were for the unfair treatment, the fact still remained, it did happen.
What transpired here in this thread, is a microcosm of humanity. One person's issue is just another's drama.
As long as something doesn't impact "you" directly, you are 100% happy and fine with the system.
That is the sad truth humans share, yet some of us are trying to break that flaw humanity has.
We call that Compassion and Justice for ALL.
bombboy1252 wrote:The mods usually do something if you hit that nice little triangle at the top right of a post you think is going out of hand, anyone complaining that "well he did the same thing on thread x and nothing happened to him" well....did you flag the post? and for all you know he could have gotten a warning through PM...
First of all you didn't join dakka long enough to know "who" we are all discussing here or know the history behind it.
The fact that we are all discussing the same "person" should give you some sort of a clue that this is beyond the typical "luck in dodging discipline" or "just a misunderstanding"
And the fact that this has been going on for years and everything is still well for him and im a gonner should be enough of a clue.
That is unless.... you are a sock puppet account. If you are not one, then know you are new and don't know the whole story to be judging the others.
See, the majority of mod team are doing their jobs, no one is saying they weren't.
However for what ever reasons there were for the unfair treatment, the fact still remained, it did happen.
What transpired here in this thread, is a microcosm of humanity. One person's issue is just another's drama.
As long as something doesn't impact "you" directly, you are 100% happy and fine with the system.
That is the sad truth humans share, yet some of us are trying to break that flaw humanity has.
I'm pretty sure everyone is talking about kanluwen for one...I could be wrong but that's what I pieced together.
I am not a "sock puppet account" if I was, why would I have this many posts.
However for what ever reasons there were for the unfair treatment, the fact still remained, it did happen
what happened?
I am pretty much 100% happy with the system, but not because "it just never happened to me" it's because I have never witnessed anything "unfair" occur, this may or may not change in the future, I haven't been on dakka all that long.
and humanity has much worse flaws than not caring about something because it hasn't happened to them, but yes it is a flaw non the less.
LunaHound wrote:However for what ever reasons there were for the unfair treatment, the fact still remained, it did happen.
I'm pretty sure that if the moderation staff on a forum was treating me in such a manner I'd probably just stop going to that forum and move on with my life.
I'd love to know who you think was treated unfairly, though. I bet we'd probably disagree. Frankly, I think that some people should be "moderated" a little more harshly.
CT GAMER wrote:
insaniak wrote:
'This kind of modding' doesn't happen anywhere near as often as people would have you believe.
At least not since the weiner dogs lost their badges...
mattyrm wrote: I've been banned about 18 times but actually been rude on about 6 of those occasions.
Most of the mods are best mates with the bloke that runs the site, and that Jankh bloke who recently joined bans you with a frankly laughable ease if he decides he doesn't like you.
That said, its a private site not a democracy. If you don't like the forum don't post. I like the crack with the lads so i merely wait the bans out and come back as normal.
Lifes not fair, cest la vie.
Don't get your knickers in a twist about it.
Best mates?
I've only met one other moderator (Insaniak) as many years ago he worked at my FLGS and now lives about 100km away in the next major town. I last saw him 6 months ago at a convention.
I've never met Yakface or Legoburner.
I'm particularly amazed that a user with 25 odd posts in 3 days and 2 warning could generate such nerd rage.
Unfortunately due to his newness he doesn't realise that these threads pop up every couple of months.
My spidey sense is working overtime currently, I said the other day that we were due one of these threads....
The consolation is that there are many thousands of members without warnings, many users here are still active and respected members of the community and have had warnings and we are still moderated much, much less harshly then other comparable forums.
Intriguing thread, but not one to which I can contribute much, because I'm such a law abiding citizen (we need an orkmoticon with a halo just for me).
As such you can call me a Mod apologist. Any law is hard to enforce consistently especially when there's so many threads to "patrol". I also don't think it's that hard to avoid getting angry with what strangers write on the internet*, but having seen a few of the OP's posts over the last few days, I can already see he is really going to struggle with this.
*though I confess I get mildly irked occassionally...
That one breaks the brain. I wonder how some of the guys that started THIS YEAR already have multiple warnings. Sheesh, Ive only been given 2 warnings the entire time Ive been here
MrDwhitey wrote:It didn't do gak for you I'm guessing, but it may well have done for many others, and their may be a good reason for why you never had a response.
Yeah, I've been banned many times, and Tom admitted my last ban was very sketchy, and I appealed that ban via email, and I still didn't get anything. If the moderators would have looked for ANY context whatsoever around those quotes that caused my last ban, It wouldn't have happened.
"Lol this hip hop fan thinks I give a feth about what the thinks? TASTE THE BAN, BITCH"
bombboy1252 wrote:I was also wondering how someone could get 2 warnings in 3 days....
Newbie sauce :'P
i got a warning into 3 month ban in 45 mins
And yet almost 3 years and >14,000 posts your still here...
Obviously the benefits must be outweighing the negatives.
Of course! i assumed you haven't been reading my posts?
I love Dakka! i love everything other then 1 specific rude person and 1 specific mod.
My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.
If not, face the same consequence i had to pay for proving my point to him ( by copy pasting back to him what himself wrote )
Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.
After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.
LunaHound wrote:My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.
This is the first reason you keep running into problems here.
The moderators deal with rudeness where they deem it appropriate. It's not up to you to 'take anybody down'... Your responsibility is to follow the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the site. If you have a problem with another poster, report anything you see as inappropriate and move on. Or just ignore them, as has been suggested to you on numerous occasions.
If not, face the same consequence i had to pay for proving my point to him ( by copy pasting back to him what himself wrote )
And this is the second reason.
Even after numerous discussions with various mods, you still assume that because nobody tells you personally about moderation actions taken against other posters, that nothing happens. In reality, the vast majority of moderation is done by PM or email. We don't post public notifications except where we think it will help get a thread back on track.
And yes, if you deliberately try to stir things up, you are likely to be treated more harshly than the person you're disagreeing with.
But you've had that explained to you on how many occasions now? And yet you persist with the same behaviour, and then keep on complaining when it nets you exactly the same result. And that's the moderators' fault?
Karon wrote:Entirely false. Whenever I tried to appeal one of my bans (like, how they tell you to in your ban email), I never got any response.
You can read things and not respond!
I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.
Yeah Ive never had a decent one.
I got a ban a couple month back when we were talking about a team getting a points deduction for cheating after submitting lists to a tourney and they came up 20 points over the max or something.
None of the people in the team use dakka or were involved in the conversation, it was just a conversation about the story, some people thought they must have done it on purpose, some thought it was an innocent mistake and they shouldnt have had game points deducted.
I chirped in with..
" I'm a noob and I managed to get my list correct, lets be honest, its fething easy! The points are RIGHT THERE!
These guys were purposely trying to cheat, as elitist dicks do."
And got a full 7 day ban for violating rule 1 "be polite"
How can you be impolite about people that aren't involved in the conversation, or in the room, virtual or otherwise? I merely disagreed with some people saying they thought it was an honest mistake.
I then emailed Jank with
"Im somewhat stunned by that considering none of the individuals in question were actually on the board and as a result none of what I said was directed at anybody, how can I be impolite to somebody that isnt there?
If Matty is rude in a forest, but nobody is there to hear it, is Matty still rude?"
And heard nothing back.
I make my mind up about people quickly being a black and white sort of chap, and judging by that infantile display I instantly disliked the bloke. And considering Yak said he "didnt want to make dakka seem like an old boys club" when he made him a mod, I decided that he is clearly only a mod because he is bessie mates with the bloke who runs the website, because surely anyone that was given the job because they seemed competent wouldn't have acted like a child.
Was it because the team was American?
Surely a man in his thirties or forties wouldn't get offended by the fact that someone you accused of cheating that they have never met and wasn't present was born within a thousand miles of their house? I mean.. surely a grown man wouldnt act like that right?!
I don't even dislike "the mods" I just dislike one.
mattyrm wrote: How can you be impolite about people that aren't involved in the conversation, or in the room, virtual or otherwise?
How does someone being in the room or not make any difference to whether or not calling them names is impolite?
(And that's completely ignoring the fact that you have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not they were, in fact, 'in the room'...)
I then emailed Jank with
"Im somewhat stunned by that considering none of the individuals in question were actually on the board and as a result none of what I said was directed at anybody, how can I be impolite to somebody that isnt there?
If Matty is rude in a forest, but nobody is there to hear it, is Matty still rude?"
And heard nothing back.
You heard nothing back because you finished your email with a statement that you accepted the suspension and would 'see us in a week'... Which certainly doesn't sound like you were expecting any further explanation.
Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.
After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.
Pray tell why my last ban wasn't given similar treatment? Was Killkrazy not involved with this discussion?
Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all. I really was pissed off that such a little amount of effort was put into banning me when at first I was suspended for 2 days and I said "lol, whatever, I'll just PM Yakface when I get back", but THEN, I got my ban extended for another 14 days because....
You were warned of this outcome should you use that kind of language again, so I would hope this would not come as a surprise to you.
Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.
After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.
Pray tell why my last ban wasn't given similar treatment? Was Killkrazy not involved with this discussion?
Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all. I really was pissed off that such a little amount of effort was put into banning me when at first I was suspended for 2 days and I said "lol, whatever, I'll just PM Yakface when I get back", but THEN, I got my ban extended for another 14 days because....
You were warned of this outcome should you use that kind of language again, so I would hope this would not come as a surprise to you.
you were being rude by saying "lol, whatever, I'll just PM Yakface"
I said that to MYSELF, I didn't email them that...can you just leave this thread, please? You've only been here for a few months, you know nothing about the current subject.
Karon wrote:I said that to MYSELF, I didn't email them that...can you just leave this thread, please? You've only been here for a few months, you know nothing about the current subject.
I'll leave the subject when I feel like leaving the subject thank you.
and not my fault I didn't know you "said it to you're self"
Karon wrote:I realize that, and I'd like to tell everyone that don't bother emailing - it won't do gak to change anything.
After a very quick flick through your moderation history, I note at least one case where your suspension was reduced after you discussed the issue with Kilkrazy.
LunaHound wrote:My goal and proposal has always been simple, getting that 1 rude jerk ( this isnt just a personal opinion ) to be nice to all.
This is the first reason you keep running into problems here.
The moderators deal with rudeness where they deem it appropriate. It's not up to you to 'take anybody down'... Your responsibility is to follow the rules you agreed to follow when you joined the site. If you have a problem with another poster, report anything you see as inappropriate and move on. Or just ignore them, as has been suggested to you on numerous occasions.
If not, face the same consequence i had to pay for proving my point to him ( by copy pasting back to him what himself wrote )
And this is the second reason.
Even after numerous discussions with various mods, you still assume that because nobody tells you personally about moderation actions taken against other posters, that nothing happens. In reality, the vast majority of moderation is done by PM or email. We don't post public notifications except where we think it will help get a thread back on track.
And yes, if you deliberately try to stir things up, you are likely to be treated more harshly than the person you're disagreeing with.
But you've had that explained to you on how many occasions now? And yet you persist with the same behaviour, and then keep on complaining when it nets you exactly the same result. And that's the moderators' fault?
Here is my last post as i have agreed to not stress over this issue.
But since you asked i shall reply as well.
See, after all the actions you said you would address to the rude person ( either via report or you breaking up an argument ) , after such a long time, and to multiple members,
the fact still remains the same. He is still rude, condescending, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with him.
This is where we can see that despite all disciplinary actions are in private, it becomes rather transparent and obvious. He is certainly the same.
Add the fact of im gone for months and hes still there doing the same o rude things, it really doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know he wasn't disciplined.
Or, the discipline is obviously not equal.
And the part i high light in red. If by stirring things up means when i mentioned he gets away with it, that is obvious fact to the public? means i'll get punished more than him that started it?
Yes.... thats pretty much what this thread is about.
Anyways, if you wish to ask me stuff, send me a msg or something ( i will respond of course )
if not, im leaving the thread.
Karon wrote:Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all.
The thing is, as Tom explained earlier there was no reason to not take the comments at face value as presented. Particularly in light of your previous suspension history, and how much of it was related to similar (generally racist) comments.
We're not going to go trolling back through the entire site trying to find the original quote and determine what your reaction to it was at the time. If you put a quote in your sig with no sign that you disagree with that quote, we're going to take it as you endorsing that quote. Your suspension was given in line with your previous posting history. That's the bed that you made.
MrDwhitey wrote:It didn't do gak for you I'm guessing, but it may well have done for many others, and their may be a good reason for why you never had a response.
Yeah, I've been banned many times, and Tom admitted my last ban was very sketchy, and I appealed that ban via email, and I still didn't get anything. If the moderators would have looked for ANY context whatsoever around those quotes that caused my last ban, It wouldn't have happened.
"Lol this hip hop fan thinks I give a feth about what the thinks? TASTE THE BAN, BITCH"
Karon, your last suspension was not sketchy at all.
It seems to me you read without 'listening'. I'll say it again. Quoting a very harsh homophobic rant in your signature is not acceptable. Period. I also pointed out that you did not make your reasoning clear in even putting that quote in, giving no indication whether it was an endorsement or not. So you messed up, and you got a suspension in line with your track history and activity up to that point.
The fact you get in that much trouble, and that you completely missed the point that your action was 100% not acceptable is indicative of why you are in this thread complaining about your treatment. It is not the first time you have made a mistake of this nature. You keep repeating the same actions, and expect a different result... then say that the Mods are the one's who are out of line.
If you want to stay in Dakka, let us be crystal clear. Stop being rude to your fellow posters. Stop posting homophobic or racist terms, and it doesn't matter if you are just quoting them. You are not entitled to 'police' the site, and that other user, as you see fit. Leave it to us. If you can pull that off, then you should be fine. If it is too much to ask of you then we can only warn you about the same thing so many times. I invite you to work with us and adjust your actions to comply with the rules of the site, not so that we 'win', but so that you can get back to enjoying Dakka and feeling comfortable. I hope this message is clear enough at this point.
As I mentioned in my very first post. Dakka cannot please everyone... it's impossible. If you want a more 'adult' tone and the ability to insult, there are other forums that may be a better fit and far more enjoyable to you, since this one seems to chafe.
It would be nice however, if you can simply accept the above and go about your business without conflict, controversy and negativity. Believe it or not, you staying here happily is what we would prefer to see. But if you are not willing to work with us to make it happen, we can't force you.
LunaHound wrote:See, after all the actions you said you would address to the rude person ( either via report or you breaking up an argument ) , after such a long time, and to multiple members,
the fact still remains the same. He is still rude, condescending, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with him.
This is where we can see that despite all disciplinary actions are in private, it becomes rather transparent and obvious. He is certainly the same.
You could certainly take that as a sign that someone is receiving 'special treatment'...
Alternatively, you could take it as a sign that you possibly need to re-evaluate how you see their posts. It's very easy to see someone's post as rude or condescending when you are already predisposed to dislike them.
Add the fact of im gone for months and hes still there doing the same o rude things, it really doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know he wasn't disciplined.
Or, the discipline is obviously not equal.
Of course the discipline is not equal. Someone stealing a car for the first time receives different treatment to someone who drives off with an entire car yard.
You being rude will be treated based on your previous history and the exact nature of the offence. Someone else being rude will be treated based on their previous history and the exact nature of their offence.
The fact that someone is still here is hardly a sign that they have not been disciplined for breaking the rules. After all, you're still here.
And the fact that you personally feel that someone's post crosses the line does not mean that the mods will automatically agree. Or that your response to it wasn't worse than the original post.
Karon wrote:Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all.
The thing is, as Tom explained earlier there was no reason to not take the comments at face value as presented. Particularly in light of your previous suspension history, and how much of it was related to similar (generally racist) comments.
We're not going to go trolling back through the entire site trying to find the original quote and determine what your reaction to it was at the time. If you put a quote in your sig with no sign that you disagree with that quote, we're going to take it as you endorsing that quote. Your suspension was given in line with your previous posting history. That's the bed that you made.
Calling me Racist is like saying DMX hates cocaine.
Oh, the entire site is one thread that EVERYONE saw, nice dodge.
Just wow. You heard it here, everyone. Moderators don't put any effort or consideration when they ban you. They are robots that take your messages at face value and do not consider any context whatsoever.
@Tom - I wasn't be rude, I wasn't being homophobic.
I'm done discussing my personal suspension because its clearly bs, and I appealed it to EXPLAIN why it was, but I never got any response.
Karon wrote:Again, if you and your "moderation team" would have done an ounce of research about the quotes that caused my last ban, it wouldn't have happened at all.
The thing is, as Tom explained earlier there was no reason to not take the comments at face value as presented. Particularly in light of your previous suspension history, and how much of it was related to similar (generally racist) comments.
We're not going to go trolling back through the entire site trying to find the original quote and determine what your reaction to it was at the time. If you put a quote in your sig with no sign that you disagree with that quote, we're going to take it as you endorsing that quote. Your suspension was given in line with your previous posting history. That's the bed that you made.
Calling me Racist is like saying DMX hates cocaine.
Oh, the entire site is one thread that EVERYONE saw, nice dodge.
Just wow. You heard it here, everyone. Moderators don't put any effort or consideration when they ban you. They are robots that take your messages at face value and do not consider any context whatsoever.
Been here a few years, and the moderation is generally alright. I mean, look at some other websites of similar size, look at dakka, and tell me which site has the better moderation.
Dakka's moderators do a grand job. Sometimes I disagree with a decision, but hell, that's life. I don't know why everyone expects perfect justice all the time, considering life is constantly pushing evidence that it never, ever happens right in our faces.
Edit: Karon, why the hell should the mods have to spend ages researching your history for something like that? You've posted innappropriate stuff before, you had something inappropriate in your sig, you got banned, it's hardly the end of the world or very suprising.
A little note for you. Your last comment annoyed me slightly, and while writing this I was vaguely tempted to go a bit further from what I wrote into criticism. I decided it wouldn't be the appropriate thing to do. Because of that, it's unlikely that a mod will ban me for this post. (I would totally respect a mod who banned me for this though, just for the irony.)
Karon, I really think your just fishing for a ban again, so you can say I told you so. Holy crap, you need to relax and just forget that you were banned for what you think are dumb reasons. The world isnt a fair place, and as such, DAKKA isnt a fair place either, so how bout you suck that bottom lip in a bit, and just move on.
Complaining about it like you are will not get you any special treatments.
Karon wrote:Just wow. You heard it here, everyone. Moderators don't put any effort or consideration when they ban you. They are robots that take your messages at face value and do not consider any context whatsoever.
Choosing to interpret what the mods are telling you as meaning more or less the exact opposite of what they actually said is certainly an ...interesting... way of making your time here more pleasant.
Ok, let me put it this way Karon. If I hear someone use a racial word about black people, the way to object to it is not to print that word on a t-shirt and wander around town with it on. What do you think people will think when they see me with this shirt that simply has a racial slur on it? You are honestly shocked you in turn were offensive by simply repeating the word at all? Nevermind the fact you put no context on it at all (again, not that it mattered if you did, still bad).
You say you aren't a bigot. Fine, I even believe you. But you also don't appear to have the common sense or desire not to look like one. Take responsibility for your actions and stop playing the victim card. I said sometimes we make mistakes, but not this time Karon. You were 100% wrong.
If you choose to air your dirty laundry in public, don't be surprised when it elicits a response.
The simple fact is, (again, as has been explained to you on numerous occasions, Luna) that trying to stir things up in order to make the mods see that someone else is as rude as you are is never going to get you the response you're looking for.
All you do with that sort of nonsense is make things worse. Leave it alone, and worry about your own behaviour. Leave the mods to sort out everyone else's behaviour if and when we decide it's appropriate to do so. That's what we're here for.
I can see them Luna. My honest opinion though is that you have become fixated on the situation and are becoming a caricature of yourself in the process.
All I can 100% say for sure is that it isn't worth this amount of frustration and anger on your part, right or wrong. It's only toy soldiers in the end. Try not to be so invested in winning or losing a net discussion and it will start to feel better. I used to approach things in a similar manner to the way you are now if you will recall, and this is advice I took myself at the time, so please don't think of it as hypocritical or high-handed. I am happier for it, and I would be pleased if you were too.
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bombboy1252 wrote:So far the only thing I have noticed is everyone is claiming that 1 user seems to get away with murder here....
'Everyone' largely being a couple of users with an axe to grind.
The problem comes from some users disagreeing with the moderators' take on when a line is crossed. It's essentially the same issue as I mentioned earlier in the thread with those complaining about 'unfair' suspensions they have received, just from the other side of the line.
bombboy1252 wrote:So far the only thing I have noticed is everyone is claiming that 1 user seems to get away with murder here....
'Everyone' largely being a couple of users with an axe to grind.
The problem comes from some users disagreeing with the moderators' take on when a line is crossed. It's essentially the same issue as I mentioned earlier in the thread with those complaining about 'unfair' suspensions they have received, just from the other side of the line.
Unless the other posters are my sock puppet account, you can still say the issue extends more and is agreed upon than just from me.
Karon wrote:Every time I tried to email a moderator about my many bans, I never got a response.
Everytime I have asked a moderator about any problems I have had a response.
Given they are unpaid and prolly getting lots of other such questions eating into their free time, I have to give them respect for doing what essentially will always be a thankless task.
That I can recall I've never had a warning by PM, I have had maybe two cautions on the open forum. I've been here a few years now and haven't been threatened with a ban at any time unless my memory is failing me. They way some talk here, based on my membership period and post count, I should have had several bannings by now.
So I guess other people must be doing something wrong. Because I can fight my corner quite effectively on the Off Topic section and in several heated debates without being kicked out. Even in my most heated discussion with a mod (Frazzled?), I think another mod made a general comment just to calm the thread, there was no attempt to abuse mod powers to shut me down. Maybe it's because as heated as it may have been, I didn't resort to calling him a Stupidhead McStinkypants to get my point across.
I have never had a problem with the way that the mods work on this site. I have had two, very politely worded, warnings PM'd to me and was relaxed enough with the way that they were phrased to understand the problem and alter the way I behaved accordingly.
The people who post homophobic etc comments, I just flag them up then ignore that poster.... Let the mods deal with them. Life's too short!
sarpedons-right-hand wrote:The people who post homophobic etc comments, I just flag them up then ignore that poster.... Let the mods deal with them. Life's too short!
sarpedons-right-hand wrote:The people who post homophobic etc comments, I just flag them up then ignore that poster.... Let the mods deal with them. Life's too short!
This is good advice.
The problem is that ignoring the troll is close to impossible for so many of us. We need fixin' boss!
MrDwhitey wrote:The problem is that ignoring the troll is close to impossible for so many of us. We need fixin' boss!
The key is to ultimately realize that the person is actively trying to get a reaction out of you, and don't let them.
The old adage of "Don't Feed the Trolls" isn't just a cute internet saying; if you don't respond to someone who is being a dick they will usually go away.
Slarg232 wrote:He's not a moderator anymore, BUT DAMNIT, WHERE ARE THE WEINERS!
Yes these youngins, they know not of the dark times, the times when Frazzled lurked in the dark places, ready to unleash heaping spoons of WIENER DOG JUSTICE upon the unwary.
Lest ye forget:
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H.B.M.C. wrote:I got banned for agreeing with someone who got a warning.
Yeah.
Incorrect. Lorek was coming off a bad night of sterno behind the store and your spinning avatar made him hurl.
Howard A Treesong wrote:That I can recall I've never had a warning by PM, I have had maybe two cautions on the open forum. I've been here a few years now and haven't been threatened with a ban at any time unless my memory is failing me. They way some talk here, based on my membership period and post count, I should have had several bannings by now.
So I guess other people must be doing something wrong. Because I can fight my corner quite effectively on the Off Topic section and in several heated debates without being kicked out. Even in my most heated discussion with a mod (Frazzled?), I think another mod made a general comment just to calm the thread, there was no attempt to abuse mod powers to shut me down. Maybe it's because as heated as it may have been, I didn't resort to calling him a Stupidhead McStinkypants to get my point across.
This, in short. Debaters on the forum tend to split into one of three categories:-
1) The ones who attempt to bypass the swear filter, and openly mock and insult other posters (because they think that is 'cool' by internet standards). They tend to get hammered down rather quickly.
2) The ones who skate close to the line of being directly rude, and attempt to insult another person via their argument in order to circumvent being warned/banned. Sometimes it even works, but these people usually get nailed after a period of time.
3) The people who remember that they are posting on a forum about toy soldiers, and are mature adults. These ones tend to be literate, polite, and if something gets under their skin, they just hit 'ignore', or stop replying. Because being mature people, they realise that it simply doesn't matter.
Which forum users fit into which category? I'll leave everyone else to decide that for themselves.
It must be said though, the ones that fit into Number 3 rarely ever run into problems here, as those are the kind of users that this forum is essentially geared towards. People who wish to cause drama, swear, and so on are probably better suited heading over to HeresyOnline......
What transpired here in this thread, is a microcosm of humanity.
I have to disagree.
What this thread is is a microcosm of the negativity spawned by those who felt "wronged" by the system established here.
This is a war miniature forum dedicated to those who are enthusiastic about their hobby. It is a place to congregate that we strive to make a little better every time (for us and future gamers). This means that rules are in place thay we abide by.
Not all the rules are easy to follow. Sometimes we step over lines. And we have people who are there to tell us when we step over that line.
A warning is typical for something obviously over the line. Sometimes where we stepped over is hard to see, so a decision has to be made to hand a warning out anyway. We live and learn and move on from that warning.
But then we keep getting warnings. Why is that? Do I look down and see where I step over the line enough? Maybe I need to discuss with someone my habits? Can I change what I do?
These are the things we should be asking ourselves in this thread. What did I do wrong, and how can I correct it? Not I did not do anything wrong and I feel thoroughly justified in complaining about how it is unfair that I am being targeted/suspended/unfairly judged/whatever.
We are all guests of yakface here, who in his good graces has provided us a home for our passions and our time and energy devoted to a hobby or hobbies that others share. We must respect this place as best as we can and in turn thank the hardworking volunteers how help maintain and safeguard this place. This does not mean bootlicking, but it at least means respecting those who take their time and energy and money and try to improve this site on a daily basis.
If there is a problem, resolve it with PMs from now on. Alot of people who came here to complain have now gotten the attention they deserved they needed. Well, if you though you were ignored, now is the best opportunity to talk to people on the side to see if there can be any resolution to your grievances or problems.
If there is something you think is truly wrong with the site, take it to the Nuts and Bolts forum.
Such as it is, I have four warnings under my belt and in no way do I gripe about what is fair or unfair. Everything that I needed to ask of moderators I have gotten through PMs and counseling from wiser Dakka members than myself. I know if I step over the line again, I'm in for another warning and a possible suspension. I may not like it, but it is the rules of this forum that I take a mini vacation in order to cool my heels off.
So in short, let us end this thread by collectively taking our respective problems off this thread and talk directly to those we think we need to talk to.
Ooooh, that sounds incredibly good right now. Not that anyone my age would drink wine, of course
Unless you lived in a country with sensible drinking laws
No we are Americans. And Americans do stupid things when drinking. SPECIALLY the youth. I think you guys would be surprised at how stupid pre 21 y/o drinkers are in this country.......and yes Im taking into account how stupid legal drinkers can get as well
Howard A Treesong wrote:That I can recall I've never had a warning by PM, I have had maybe two cautions on the open forum. I've been here a few years now and haven't been threatened with a ban at any time unless my memory is failing me. They way some talk here, based on my membership period and post count, I should have had several bannings by now.
So I guess other people must be doing something wrong. Because I can fight my corner quite effectively on the Off Topic section and in several heated debates without being kicked out. Even in my most heated discussion with a mod (Frazzled?), I think another mod made a general comment just to calm the thread, there was no attempt to abuse mod powers to shut me down. Maybe it's because as heated as it may have been, I didn't resort to calling him a Stupidhead McStinkypants to get my point across.
This, in short. Debaters on the forum tend to split into one of three categories:-
1) The ones who attempt to bypass the swear filter, and openly mock and insult other posters (because they think that is 'cool' by internet standards). They tend to get hammered down rather quickly.
2) The ones who skate close to the line of being directly rude, and attempt to insult another person via their argument in order to circumvent being warned/banned. Sometimes it even works, but these people usually get nailed after a period of time.
3) The people who remember that they are posting on a forum about toy soldiers, and are mature adults. These ones tend to be literate, polite, and if something gets under their skin, they just hit 'ignore', or stop replying. Because being mature people, they realise that it simply doesn't matter.
Me when i try really really hard.
Which forum users fit into which category? I'll leave everyone else to decide that for themselves.
It must be said though, the ones that fit into Number 3 rarely ever run into problems here, as those are the kind of users that this forum is essentially geared towards. People who wish to cause drama, swear, and so on are probably better suited heading over to HeresyOnline......
agreed mate competely agree, sometimes its hard to be a no.3 if someone else there is bluntly insulting
Okay, then outside of being another pointless bitch-fest (which is what DD is getting a reputation for being, by the way), what's the point? Where's the solution? Everyone seems quick to jump to their complaint cards, but I've not seen a single solution for any legitimate problem mentioned by any poster here. I've seen a lot of whinging and moaning, but who has a solution? How do you fix the problems that haunt each one of you every time you post?
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is such a flamebait thread. I've tried several times to form a post that would properly convey my feelings in a way that would be appropriate to the forum, but I can't help but express how I feel about this thread and the people within at level of inarticulation that would do YouTube comments justice.
LunaHound wrote:See, after all the actions you said you would address to the rude person ( either via report or you breaking up an argument ) , after such a long time, and to multiple members,
the fact still remains the same. He is still rude, condescending, and obnoxious to anyone that doesn't agree with him.
This is where we can see that despite all disciplinary actions are in private, it becomes rather transparent and obvious. He is certainly the same.
You could certainly take that as a sign that someone is receiving 'special treatment'...
Alternatively, you could take it as a sign that you possibly need to re-evaluate how you see their posts. It's very easy to see someone's post as rude or condescending when you are already predisposed to dislike them.
Add the fact of im gone for months and hes still there doing the same o rude things, it really doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know he wasn't disciplined.
Or, the discipline is obviously not equal.
Of course the discipline is not equal. Someone stealing a car for the first time receives different treatment to someone who drives off with an entire car yard.
You being rude will be treated based on your previous history and the exact nature of the offence. Someone else being rude will be treated based on their previous history and the exact nature of their offence.
The fact that someone is still here is hardly a sign that they have not been disciplined for breaking the rules. After all, you're still here.
And the fact that you personally feel that someone's post crosses the line does not mean that the mods will automatically agree. Or that your response to it wasn't worse than the original post.
Far be it from me to get involved in personal disputes, but if this is the person I think it is, then yeah I'm baffled as well as to how they've avoided some sort of punishment. Non-stop condecension and hostility even when proven wrong.
Or its possible I'm thinking of an entirely different person, in which case carry on.
Just to give my experience though, I've never had a problem with mods here. It is usually fair and some of the stuff I write, I feel crosses the line and I'm never warned about it. But then I haven't been here very long and I usually lurk the same threads if I'm not posting in them.
Edit: Looking back through the thread, its definitely the person I thought it was. Stand by what I said. Others have been banned for less than what that person does constantly.
daedalus wrote:This is such a flamebait thread. I've tried several times to form a post that would properly convey my feelings in a way that would be appropriate to the forum, but I can't help but express how I feel about this thread and the people within at level of inarticulation that would do YouTube comments justice.
The thread has remain relatively civil, has contained some genuine conversation, a little humour, and some heated words. There's nothing flamebait-y about it so far.
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Asuron wrote:Far be it from me to get involved in personal disputes, but if this is the person I think it is, then yeah I'm baffled as well as to how they've avoided some sort of punishment. Non-stop condecension and hostility even when proven wrong.
Asherian Command wrote:my question is though has anyone ever reported themself?
That sounds like prank calling 911. If you make a post you think is bad, edit out the bad parts, or just don't make a bad post. If you can fix the mistake why summon the mods to spend there time fixing it?
Asherian Command wrote:my question is though has anyone ever reported themself?
That sounds like prank calling 911. If you make a post you think is bad, edit out the bad parts, or just don't make a bad post. If you can fix the mistake why summon the mods to spend there time fixing it?
If you post in the wrong forum and want your thread moving you could report your own post.
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), I'll repeat my rhetoric DakkaDakka's mods are an excellent staff that is very understanding and has helped to contribute to the friendly,
face everytime he might have said something to get him in trouble.
) I've got were well deserved (except my abortion joke that was way too good of a chuckle to be removed from a thread) 
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