while the topic of defending yourself from zombie/aliens/girls has come many, many times, the topic of your actual home invasion plan hasnt come up in my
three or so years of dakka i havent heard seen one.
so dakka, heres the scenario,
your in bed, its a normal night, your wife/partner/teddy is beside you in bed sound asleep, your awake.
you hear a sound from your hall, you see shadows on the wall.
what do you do?
whats your weapon of choice? do you have an accessable weapon? how do you defend your family?
It kind of depends on the room, I know you said in my bed but that's not a plan; that's part of a plan.
In bed theres a flashlight and a fullsize semi auto handgun that I can reach without looking from my side of the bed. The plan is pretty simple, I go look to see whats going on and shine the light on the intruder, one part identification, 1 part blinding an disorienting. If its an intruder that can be subdued, the wife calls the cops, if he gets rowdy she calls the coroner, if its family they are just unpleasant for a few minutes.
In the living room there is a somewhat unobtrusive small frame revolver. The game room has a 22 pistol close at hand and my safe. The office is also a full frame semi handgun, the kitchen is a subcompact semi, and the garage has a shotgun out of plain sight. The plan is virtually the same in all rooms, identify and subdue or neutralize.
Handguns are plenty in the house, sometimes even overkilll. Ideally a reliable semi or pump shotgun with birdshot and buckshot alternating is the best answer. But they dont fit in nooks, crannys, and drawers.
Since I have a desk bed, which is cramped, loud, and hard to get down quickly if you want to still be in one piece afterwards, I guess i'd just accept my imminent doom.
It's a tree branch that I found whilst on a camping trip, and whilst everyone else was busy playing rugby, I sat whittling it by the fire, it's about 1.2 metres long, and an inch in diameter, and has been heat treated over a fire.
In a fight between it and a leg, the leg would break first.
Depends, are my dogs alerting? If so, what sort of alert? The bark my german shepard uses when someone is on the street is different then if someone is in the yard is different then if someone is in the house he doesn't know.
Assuming for this exercise he's alerting I'm going to grab the shotgun next to the bed and see why, I'm not worried about calling 911 because my alarm system will automatically trigger if someone breaks in.
What I'm not going to do it run out like a idiot, it could be nothing, could be someone robbing me or it could be local SWAT doing another no knock raid, or like in my neighbors case people pretending to be Tucson SWAT and robbing them at gun point.
You gotta handle it as it appears, it could be any number of things and I'm not looking to get shot or shoot someone, but not going to let them endanger my family either.
assultmarine wrote:while the topic of defending yourself from zombie/aliens/girls has come many, many times, the topic of your actual home invasion plan hasnt come up in my
three or so years of dakka i havent heard seen one.
so dakka, heres the scenario,
your in bed, its a normal night, your wife/partner/teddy is beside you in bed sound asleep, your awake.
you hear a sound from your hall, you see shadows on the wall.
what do you do?
whats your weapon of choice? do you have an accessable weapon? how do you defend your family?
Either:
1. Kill them. Kill them all! or
2. sleep through it.
Sckitzo wrote:Depends, are my dogs alerting? If so, what sort of alert? The bark my german shepard uses when someone is on the street is different then if someone is in the yard is different then if someone is in the house he doesn't know.
Assuming for this exercise he's alerting I'm going to grab the shotgun next to the bed and see why, I'm not worried about calling 911 because my alarm system will automatically trigger if someone breaks in.
What I'm not going to do it run out like a idiot, it could be nothing, could be someone robbing me or it could be local SWAT doing another no knock raid, or like in my neighbors case people pretending to be Tucson SWAT and robbing them at gun point.
You gotta handle it as it appears, it could be any number of things and I'm not looking to get shot or shoot someone, but not going to let them endanger my family either.
Oo, you live Tuscon. might be safer to lie still in bed and hope its just home invaders and not regional SWAT.
biccat wrote:Wait, your home invasion plan is about defense? Crap.
I've always operated under the theory that the best defense is a good offense.
I always thought having tanks of trained giant pythons would be ideal. Alarm goes off, and the pythons are dumped onto all passers by. Yes!
This could be substituted for alligators as needed, because alligators are cool, and practically family.
I have 12 knives that my mam has for me, my step dad has a crossbow, my dad a police baton and all the canned food to last us the whole thing. My family and i would be fine.
black templar wrote:I have 12 knives that my mam has for me, my step dad has a crossbow, my dad a police baton and all the canned food to last us the whole thing. My family and i would be fine.
black templar wrote:I have 12 knives that my mam has for me, my step dad has a crossbow, my dad a police baton and all the canned food to last us the whole thing. My family and i would be fine.
black templar wrote:I have 12 knives that my mam has for me, my step dad has a crossbow, my dad a police baton and all the canned food to last us the whole thing. My family and i would be fine.
black templar wrote:I have 12 knives that my mam has for me, my step dad has a crossbow, my dad a police baton and all the canned food to last us the whole thing. My family and i would be fine.
whats your weapon of choice? do you have an accessable weapon? how do you defend your family?
A light and night sight/dot equipped rifle. Yes. With harsh language, followed by liberal application of ammunition.
Don't you be coming after my fruit pies Ahtman. I know your type, and we are ready for you! These are not the fruit pies you are looking for. Move along.
My dog is jumpy enough that I'd probably hear him by the time someone got through a door/window. As far as defense goes, I have my shillelagh in my room, a cheaply made ren fair flail (good for at least a hit, probably not much more) and I know where my roommate keeps his 9mm in his room.
Obviously I'm not stopping someone who's packing bullets, but frankly, I'd be more concerned with having to continue to experience life with a catheter than I am about some stuff getting stolen. That's what homeowner's is for. It'd be a different story if my girlfriend lived with me.
biccat wrote:Wait, your home invasion plan is about defense? Crap.
I've always operated under the theory that the best defense is a good offense.
I always thought having tanks of trained giant pythons would be ideal. Alarm goes off, and the pythons are dumped onto all passers by. Yes!
This could be substituted for alligators as needed, because alligators are cool, and practically family.
I think you mean lava.
...everything I know about home defense I learned from Dwarf Fortress.
I would consider it, if they were as tasty as alligators. But that is why humans are NOT as tasty as alligators. Cannibalism would be rampant. I mean, look at gators. They eat each other all the time! They're so tasty even THEY know it.
I got 2 dogs that'll make enough noise to alert anyone in my crappy-built huse Walls and floors are thin so hearing ther people is too easy. I'd grab the thicker end of a couple of snooker cues and use them as clubs
Zombies: Close the windows, lock the doors. This should hold the zombies off for two or three hours, unless more than ten are attacking at once. I immediately set to work bringing stuff upstairs and I turn on the water in the upstairs bathroom so that I'll have a bunch. Once the upstairs is supplied, I destroy the stairs one step at a time.
Xenomorphs: Hide; a weakling civilian like me couldn't hold their own against a Xenomorph. I have a closet that is massive, but due to the dense pile of stuff at the front you can't see the back part at all. I grab food and water and a cellphone (set on "vibrate," I don't want someone to text me and the ringing noise to alert the Xenomorphs to my presense) and I wait it out.
Girls: Ummm.... call the police? Well, it depends on why/if the girls are trying to kill me.
I have a full tang katana beside my bed. The basic plan is while my wife calls the Guards, I go down stairs leave all the lights off and take who ever down.
I have a samurai sword (cheap prop replica, not a genuine one but good enough to do damage). My parents have a bayonet designed to be fitted to an enfield rifle which is the genuine article.
I hope any burglar would be scared off when I come at them waving one of those over my head and likely completely starkers.
If a friend of mine gets a lathe, he's promised me one.
Holy Gak. Where can I buy this????? I can make two of these into an amazing drinking game!
Back on topic - I try to zombie-proof my apartments when I move in. Plenty of freeze-dried/canned food and water. Also have plenty of medical supplies. Walkie-talkies, batteries, flashlights, the works. Oh, and a nice aluminum bat
i have an axe behind the bed head, I'm on the side that the door is on. tell the misses to hide.when that door opens i start swinging. it would look cool because i have plaid pj's which are red and i have to sleep with an eye patch, so i would look like a awoken pirate lumberjack!
Our house is small (by house I mean ground floor flat) bedroom door opens inwards so can be barricaded. If I hear them in the kitchen I can rush out open the fridge to block their approach (or thwack them in the face with it). General plan is either barricade or else bullrush in confined quarters and go ape-gak beating them with my slippers.
If they get angsty dose them with lots of insulin so eventually they'll collapse.
assultmarine wrote:while the topic of defending yourself from zombie/aliens/girls has come many, many times, the topic of your actual home invasion plan hasnt come up in my
three or so years of dakka i havent heard seen one.
so dakka, heres the scenario,
your in bed, its a normal night, your wife/partner/teddy is beside you in bed sound asleep, your awake.
you hear a sound from your hall, you see shadows on the wall.
what do you do?
whats your weapon of choice? do you have an accessable weapon? how do you defend your family?
Either:
1. Kill them. Kill them all! or
2. sleep through it.
I am envisioning someone kicking open your door only to be bowled over and devoured by a frenzied swarm of weiner dogs...
Ive got steel framed doors with 2 inch deadbolts, and lots of typical prickly arizona plants under all windows. Two boxer/pit mix dogs, and a 12 ga shotgun with a tactical light on the foregrip. Anyone that batters down the doors is going to make so much noise, I'll have time to wake up, brew a cup of coffee, call the police, feed the barking dogs, and shoot anyone that makes it inside before the police arrive. If Im feeling really charitable I could dump a can of bear repellant out the window to scare them away.
Its easier to keep people out, than get them out once they get in.
DISCLAIMER: Yes. That PMAG is permanently blocked at 10 rounds to comply with CA's absolutely <CENSORED CENSORED> <CENSORED>ING <CENSORED> legal environment.
The blue one is about what I will be left with if the democrats get their way, however....
I'll just dial 911 and sit still, confident that Law Enforcement will respond in a timely manner and save me and mine... ...Real answer, I own three handguns and a Mosberg 500 shotgun, all readily accessible when needed...
I barricade my door and hope for the best, the only weaponry in my home (other than my thermite) is kept in the garage which is impractical to get to in the case of a home invasion.
Thinking about it my didgeridoo could do some damage to someones head if there was room to swing it...
corpsesarefun wrote:I barricade my door and hope for the best, the only weaponry in my home (other than my thermite) is kept in the garage which is impractical to get to in the case of a home invasion.
Thinking about it my didgeridoo could do some damage to someones head if there was room to swing it...
If you find yourself without a weapon, simply use another member of the household.
corpsesarefun wrote:I barricade my door and hope for the best, the only weaponry in my home (other than my thermite) is kept in the garage which is impractical to get to in the case of a home invasion.
Thinking about it my didgeridoo could do some damage to someones head if there was room to swing it...
... ..Your what could do some damage if there was room to swing it..?
An Australian Aboriginal wind instrument in the form of a long wooden tube, traditionally made from a hollow branch, which is blown to produce a deep, resonant sound, varied by rhythmic accents of timbre and volume
I'm slightly concerned as to what didgeridoo means in america...
I'm surprised you americans feel the need to keep loaded guns in your bedside tables.
Between the fact of a 2-5 minute (Best case) response time by police, the fact it takes a lot less than 2-5 minutes to get killed, the supreme court of the united states pretty bluntly, and repeatedly stating that your safety is your responsibility, not theirs (Merely the safeguarding of the public at large, rather than individual members of it...Except the rich ones.) and that a fair few policeman are the "I shoot at qualifying time and nowhere else!" types....I'm surprised that the state of things here is a shock to anyone at all.
Usually in the UK burglaries take place during the day when you are out.
Aye, and that is why you have insurance. A home invasion is entirely more dangerous, and they do happen...and you cannot really determine whether that person is there for your xbox, or for YOU beforehand. Prudent to assume the latter.
I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed. Violent burglaries are very uncommon in the UK. Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
By the way, I'm not totally against gun ownership, it's the idea of keeping one loaded right next to the bed I think is excessive.
Howard A Treesong wrote:I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed. Violent burglaries are very uncommon in the UK. Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
That happens in the U.S as well, but we also have those folks that will kick in your door and come in with guns drawn.
Ive got a tight hallway that is the only way to the bedrooms. So I thought.....tight confines.......flamethrowers like those! And thats what I have. AND! To add to it, I hooked it up to my natural gas line for my house....that baby is always ready to roar and never run out of juice.
I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed.
Not even that. Can't speak for anyone else but I have enough hands-on experience to know that if multiple people my size with fighting on their mind bludgeon into my home, I am probably going to wind up hurting. I know that if -other guy- has a knife, and I do not, well...Things are about to suck. There is any number of variables outside of the other guy having a firearm that make it very advantageous to keep a rifle in the locker.
Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
Honestly the same holds true here. Even more bolt when they see they are about to meet armed resistance. If THAT doesn't get their attention, it seems like most decide being shot at is too much like having a real job, and they go find somewhere else to be. If even that fails...Well..I have not yet heard of a person becoming a repeat offender after being shot dead by an intended target.
Howard A Treesong wrote:I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed. Violent burglaries are very uncommon in the UK. Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
By the way, I'm not totally against gun ownership, it's the idea of keeping one loaded right next to the bed I think is excessive.
Oh yea, Im sure its just so hard for criminals in your country to arm themselves. Sides the way I see it, if someone is brash enough to break into my house, will charliebars on the windows and incredibly thick deadbolts on all the doors, they mean business. Which means I mean business, armed or not, they are going to regret it.
Howard A Treesong wrote:I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed. Violent burglaries are very uncommon in the UK. Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
By the way, I'm not totally against gun ownership, it's the idea of keeping one loaded right next to the bed I think is excessive.
Oh yea, Im sure its just so hard for criminals in your country to arm themselves. Sides the way I see it, if someone is brash enough to break into my house, will charliebars on the windows and incredibly thick deadbolts on all the doors, they mean business. Which means I mean business, armed or not, they are going to regret it.
Gun crime is very low in the UK. Yes it happens, but a lot of is is probably gang related and they all shoot each other. The sorts of people breaking into houses don't have guns.
Anyway, as I said it's not the issue of defending yourself with a high level of force, it's having a loaded gun within arms reach of your bed I think sounds a bit paranoid. Maybe if you live in a really rough neighbourhood where you expect someone to burst in any moment. It's common sense to at least keep a gun unloaded when not in use.
it's having a loaded gun within arms reach of your bed I think sounds a bit paranoid.
Where else would I keep it than in the locker in the room I spend most of my time in? An unloaded and out of reach firearm is exactly as useful as a paperweight, or a politician. Should a situation arise where a firearms employment is appropriate, you can't exactly yell "TIME OUT! Lemme load my gun...Pardon me, you're between me and the garage, I need to get to the safe."
There is a large difference between being ready and staying up at night, clutching it wildeyed, desperately hoping that "THEM UNDESIRABLES" don't break through the door.
Yea, in all honesty having a loaded weapon in your house is just asking for something bad to happen. The smart thing to do is to have them in a safe and practice your routine of opening safe, loading gun and know your routes in the house.
Look, even the NRA say you shouldn't load a gun until you're ready to use it. So what do I know?
I'm always ready for the possibility. I suppose that means it should always stay loaded.
Seriously though, there are a lot of reasons for that. Some are a cover-your-butt liability move (Can you imagine the legal <CENSORED>storm that would result if the NRA said ANYTHING other than "Keep it unloaded"? If they were to say "Big boy rules, keep it loaded if you want, but you're responsible for anything bad happening!" they would be promptly sued into the ground!) some are storage related, and it's just a good general GUIDELINE to follow for a lot of folks. I certainly don't keep the ones that are in the safe rather than the go-box loaded. Don't want the springs compressed if they don't have to be, don't want to deal with any temprature-difference related shenanigans with things getting stuck after being there unchecked and unmoved for months/years, etc.
All of these go out the window with a weapon that is to be kept ready. The one that remains is unauthorized access, and in my case...you still have to bust some locks, or you have to get past ME personally. Most others you will find the same.
Moreover, there are varying states of "Loaded"...Safety off/No safety, magazine inserted, chamber loaded? Safety on, magazine inserted, chamber UNloaded? Any combination? These are up to the individuals` comfort level and situation.
A small, jumpy dog to sound the alarm, and a big dog for tackling/biting people + whatever is nearby and looks like it could split someones wig open is my general plan.
Howard A Treesong wrote:I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed. Violent burglaries are very uncommon in the UK. Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
By the way, I'm not totally against gun ownership, it's the idea of keeping one loaded right next to the bed I think is excessive.
Actually in a country "awash" with guns our overall crime rate per capita is lower. There are more factors than just guns an I acknowledge that. But I am a true believer that an armed society is polite society.
Having a loaded gun next to the bed, or in my case in every room of the house may seem excessive to some. To me it's not about home invasion, it's about the inconcievable.
SlaveToDorkness wrote:Release the hounds and save on dog food for the week. Taurus 9mm above the armoire just in case they fail.
I wish i had that many dogs. But my area only lets 2 dogs per a household.... gakkers >.>
And no assualt rifles apparently. Jerks
And no hand guns....
But rpgs are allowed WTF?
SOFDC wrote:I feel for you. Illinois is the only state more gun-owner unfriendly than CA.
well thats my neighborhood rules. The county rules are hilarious it doesn't say anything about Assualt Rifles or Hand Guns, and if they bother you about from the cops you can forward them the fact you can carry and assualt rifle. Lake County for the win!
This is a great thread. I am a little nuts though. I actually have weapons hidden in spots key everywhere around my flat. No one would be able to guess where they were unless they were very lucky. You'd have to know how to fight properly with the blades anyway. If I was in bed I'd give my girlfriend the M1911 and I'd grab my katana.
One day once works settles down and we are someplace for more than a few months at a time I'll buy a house, and three big ass dogs, and a kickass do-it-myself security system, and my own arsenal, because I'm like that. Wrong house mofos.
I keep my Taurus semi-auto .45 loaded on my nightstand, round in the chamber, de-cocked, on safe, with a knife, flashlight, and two spare mags. Running Fiocchi .45 235gr. JHP XTP +P ammo.
Next to that is my SIG522 rifle with a Tru-Glo red dot sight and a 25 round mag, loaded, chamber empty, on safe.
Next to that is my duty gear for work which includes a level IIIA bulletproof vest with stab/slash/spike inserts.
Across from my bedroom is my utility room with my other rifles, bow, and crossbow, all secured but accessible within a minute or two.
All the members of my household have been trained how to shoot, and know what to do in the event of a jam/misfire, etc.
Any time my family comes in from out of town, I always make a trip out to the range with them, and double check to make sure they know their stuff.
That's if I'm in the house.
If I'm coming home to a break in, god help them.
I have my pistol with me (same setup as before), light, spare mags, knife, Interceptor body armor (that baby can take a bunch of 7.62 and keep on kicking), gas mask, helmet, handcuffs, etc.
I also usually have security cameras up (to catch the neigbors kids fething with my cars: they like to throw rocks at each other and don't care about backdrop), but I haven't had the time to reinstall them since I moved.
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My screen door squeaks like a mofo and wakes me up whenever I hear it. I have a steel dead-bolted door (came with the place), which would make a huge amount of noise if kicked in.
Since Florida has an awesome castle doctrine, I don't have the duty to retreat like in other states.
And in Florida, burglary is a forcible felony, which means they don't have to have a weapon to get themselves shot.
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Barksdale wrote:This is a great thread. I am a little nuts though. I actually have weapons hidden in spots key everywhere around my flat. No one would be able to guess where they were unless they were very lucky. You'd have to know how to fight properly with the blades anyway. If I was in bed I'd give my girlfriend the M1911 and I'd grab my katana.
One day once works settles down and we are someplace for more than a few months at a time I'll buy a house, and three big ass dogs, and a kickass do-it-myself security system, and my own arsenal, because I'm like that. Wrong house mofos.
But failling that lets see...
In my parents room - My dad has a rather hefty 2 handed axe handle under their bed. He has a kukri which i think he keeps in his sock drawer and a ww2 era bayonet (which he shouldnt have because its illegal) on a shelf, a hunting knife of some description stashed somewhere (again... illegal). Oh and he has a Veitnam era mortar shell somewhere in his shed. He assures my mum its all safe and deactivated but im pretty sure its still live.
My mum has an infinate amount of nice slender pointy knitting needles which would be perfect from sneaking up on someone with and slipping inbetween ribs or into someones spine.
I've got a cricket bat in my room which is perfect for belting people in the kneecaps with. Theres also the cans of spray primer which i suppose could be use to spray into peoples face or as improvised flamerthrowers if i can find a lighter...
I couldnt speak as to what my brother or sister might have available should they need to defend themselves but my bro has a guitar and a couple of basses so i suppose he could whollop some poor bugger over the head with one or jab em in the gut with it. And my sister has like a million shoes, so shoe assault maybe?
Errrmm, in my student flat, my choice is currently office chair or umbrella. Or run like gak to the kitchen and grab the 1 knife, small though it is.
At home, I have literally no weapons, my best bet is to drop a dumbell on them when they come up the stairs...
Dad's house - easy, sword, bayonets, knives, pool cues etc.
chaos0xomega wrote:My plan is to nuke the house from orbit... its the only way to be sure.
Now there's a man who understands there is no such thing as overkill.
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SOFDC wrote:
This could be substituted for alligators as needed, because alligators are cool, and practically family.
Good eatin too.
Indeed.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:I have a samurai sword (cheap prop replica, not a genuine one but good enough to do damage). My parents have a bayonet designed to be fitted to an enfield rifle which is the genuine article.
I hope any burglar would be scared off when I come at them waving one of those over my head and likely completely starkers.
Just throw your PHD thesis at them. That could probably kill a rhino.
(Congrats again!)
I live in texas, and the general texan plan against burglars is to shoot them until they die, and make sure they die in your house. Any less and they sue you. I've no qualms against how things are run here.
As for my tools, I've got my revolver, and sks in the closet, and a surprisingly sturdy battleaxe some girl gave me for my birthday while I was back in high school. I really hope it never comes to the point where I only have the battleaxe.
assultmarine wrote:while the topic of defending yourself from zombie/aliens/girls has come many, many times, the topic of your actual home invasion plan hasnt come up in my
three or so years of dakka i havent heard seen one.
so dakka, heres the scenario,
your in bed, its a normal night, your wife/partner/teddy is beside you in bed sound asleep, your awake.
you hear a sound from your hall, you see shadows on the wall.
what do you do?
whats your weapon of choice? do you have an accessable weapon? how do you defend your family?
Either:
1. Kill them. Kill them all! or
2. sleep through it.
I am envisioning someone kicking open your door only to be bowled over and devoured by a frenzied swarm of weiner dogs...
Well technically, the swarm of wiener dogs is kept downstairs. You have to give the BG a good 45 seconds before they manage to find their way out of their burrow of blankets, and then its flying kamikaze death machine TEETH coming high and low (ok who am I kidding, mostly low). Unless of course, its cold in which case, the wieners aren't going to move. They likes them some comfort.
Additionally there are lots of traps about. Enter the teenager's room (which has its own air conditioner now) and you'll freeze in place. Enter GC's room and you''ll be trapped in space and time by THE COLOSSAL MESS. If you get past THE COLOSSAL MESS you'll suddenly find yourself dancing like the Masque of Slaanesh to whatever music she's just turned on.
Make it past the wiener dogs into our room upstairs (and you will be known as this house is like the creaky antidote to ninjas), and then you'll be dealt with by the cranky wife (because you just woke her up-THOUS SHALT NOT DISTURB SHE WHO MUST BE OBEYED). Pray she only shoots you...
Between the dogs and the sound Mr Mossberg makes as I work the pump to get the first round chambered I would assume the typical x-box grabbing crap bag will unass the property quickly.
The dogs (5 of 'em) are not super viscious by any means, but they are loud. The bull terrier may bite, but mostly because she attacks what she is scared of (ask the vacuum).
corpsesarefun wrote:I barricade my door and hope for the best, the only weaponry in my home (other than my thermite) is kept in the garage which is impractical to get to in the case of a home invasion.
Thinking about it my didgeridoo could do some damage to someones head if there was room to swing it...
wait wait wait, lets back that train up. "other than my thermite," HOLY color me impressed. Plus, if needed you can burn out things from another world from blocks of ice, starting hours of hilarious antics.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:I guess any country awash with guns means you need them when a person breaks in because of the likelihood of them being armed. Violent burglaries are very uncommon in the UK. Most burglars run off if they heard the owner get up.
By the way, I'm not totally against gun ownership, it's the idea of keeping one loaded right next to the bed I think is excessive.
We also have something called 'home invasions' now. Thats why I keep my wiener dogs half cocked at all times.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:It's common sense to at least keep a gun unloaded when not in use.
An unloaded gun is just a two lb paperweight.
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Howard A Treesong wrote:Look, even the NRA say you shouldn't load a gun until you're ready to use it. So what do I know?
Please provide the link. At one time the NRA was saying such for legal reasons, but there actual training courses were...different.
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FITZZ wrote:
...Well...that and you certainly don't want to catch your Mom in a bear trap...or catapult your siblings out of a window.
Keeping a loaded revolver or something within arm's reach is perfectly acceptable. Sure most people hope they'll never have to use them-- hope for the best, prepare for the worst, etc.
No I own a Claymore, and I can tell you, hallways and ceilings just arnt tall/big enough to swing it. Unless you live outside, its a pretty impractical weapon for home defense
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I believe when he said claymore he meant the anti personnel mine.
It surprises me the number of people here who have swords as part of their home defense plan. Then I remembered I was on Dakka.
It's not part of my defense plan so much as it is sharp metal within easy access and I don't yet have my own personal gun.
There was a show on youtube called Human Weapon, they interviewed a krav maga teacher whom said something to the effect of: "if you have a knife, stab them, if you have a gun, shoot them, if you're out of bullets take your gun and hit them in the face, if you have a pencil stab them in the eye", which is pretty much my view of self defense at home...
As a person who just played "Orcs must die" for 12ish hours...
I would go with brimstone and spike traps on the floor with arrow traps on the walls. For the ceiling I would go with auto balista's and I would place a dozen or so paladins around my bed.
I wouldn't mind a blade at my hip, although the houses in the UK are barely large enough to swing a cat in (untested by me, but we do have some of the smallest homes in the developed world), so i'd have to chase them outside.
I did have a dream a few weeks back that I heard robbers, my brother was downstairs holding them off at the front door, I donned my trusty dressing gown, pulled the lid off the wicker laundry basket and put my arm through the handle to turn it into a makeshift shield, ran downstairs and grabbed the long carving knife, and went outside where my brother was lying in the dirt with a guy with knife standing over him. I manage to meet his knife attack with the carving knife, and smack the side of his elbow with the basket lid shield, trip him up with a swift sweep of my leg, and plunge my carving knife into his heart all epic-movie-hero style. I then picked up his knife, and threw it at the second guy who was running away, catching him square in the back of the head.
When I woke up, I first thought how cool it'd be to have it happen, then remembered a few things:
A) My brother would be stabbed and not able to hold them off for long enough.
B) I would be outnumbered and by far the weakest person there.
C) I doubt i'd even be able to get down the stairs before they had me.
D) I'd likely be arrested for murder of at least the last guy.
Still, a man can dream of his ideal home invasion, right?
ineptus astartes wrote:Well, I prefer Non-Lethal weapons, I have a thing against serving 20 to life.
but if you are really desperate, just put punji sticks inside every window.
Regrettably if they live through it, chances are they could sue you. They could DEFINITELY sue you if they impale themselves trying to get through your window on punji sticks.
I see methinks it does not mean what you think it means.
3. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until ready to use.Whenever you pick up a gun, immediately engage the safety device if possible, and, if the gun has a magazine, remove it before opening the action and looking into the chamber(s) which should be clear of ammunition. If you do not know how to open the action or inspect the chamber(s), leave the gun alone and get help from someone who does.
Ready to use means ready for its use. Cocked and locked is when its ready for its use. The context noted is for practicing/shooting, not a home defense situation. If you're taking your pistol to the range you would indeed keep it unloaded until you're at the bench on a hot range.
I have a sharp Samurai sword next to my bed, I would stare at my cell phone for 30 seconds to adjust my eyes to bright light, then quickly flick the lights on in the hall, momentarily blinding my burglar attackers as their vision has not fully adjusted to the darkness.
I would swiftly as possible leap into the hall then cleave the largest/most well armed assailant with a downwards and diagonal motion from clavicle through sternum. Human bodies are tough gristly things however, so my blade would likely become stuck in his body. Expecting this scenario, In one swift movement I would release my grip on my sword, sweep up the weapon my attacker has dropped and use it to despatch his comrade.
Then I would put the kettle on obviously....
After a nice cup of rosy, I would cruelly dismember the bodies in my bathtub to remove excess blood, wrap the parts in old newspaper and put them into my military bergan. Using this, I could pretend I was merely going walking, head onto the local moors and in a very desolate place, dig a large hole with my foldaway shovel and toss the parts in.
Then I would come home, make some crumpets and watch the Queens speech on television and make love to my beautiful girlfriend.
mattyrm wrote: I have a sharp Samurai sword next to my bed, I would stare at my cell phone for 30 seconds to adjust my eyes to bright light, then quickly flick the lights on in the hall, momentarily blinding my burglar attackers as their vision has not fully adjusted to the darkness.
I would swiftly as possible leap into the hall then cleave the largest/most well armed assailant with a downwards and diagonal motion from clavicle through sternum. Human bodies are tough gristly things however, so my blade would likely become stuck in his body. Expecting this scenario, In one swift movement I would release my grip on my sword, sweep up the weapon my attacker has dropped and use it to despatch his comrade.
Then I would put the kettle on obviously....
After a nice cup of rosy, I would cruelly dismember the bodies in my bathtub to remove excess blood, wrap the parts in old newspaper and put them into my military bergan. Using this, I could pretend I was merely going walking, head onto the local moors and in a very desolate place, dig a large hole with my foldaway shovel and toss the parts in.
Then I would come home, make some crumpets and watch the Queens speech on television and make love to my beautiful girlfriend.
.......................
Or lock the door and phone the police obviously.
As if anyone would feth with you. Just rivet a sign to the door that says "BEWARE OF THE MATTY" with a characterture of yourself beneath it.
mattyrm wrote:Or lock the door and phone the police obviously.
I recall hearing a story about some women that had someone break into her house. I imagine she had been taught to call the police and leave everything up to them. Well, she called them, and because the police were 5 or so minutes away, and the burglar was 5 or so seconds away, the burglar got to her first and killed her. I think too many people get the impression that you call the police first instead of calling them when it's most convenient (as in not calling them when you're unarmed and someone is making their way to you).
Not implying that you would wait for the police to come to do something about the situation.
mattyrm wrote: I have a sharp Samurai sword next to my bed, I would stare at my cell phone for 30 seconds to adjust my eyes to bright light, then quickly flick the lights on in the hall, momentarily blinding my burglar attackers as their vision has not fully adjusted to the darkness.
I would swiftly as possible leap into the hall then cleave the largest/most well armed assailant with a downwards and diagonal motion from clavicle through sternum. Human bodies are tough gristly things however, so my blade would likely become stuck in his body. Expecting this scenario, In one swift movement I would release my grip on my sword, sweep up the weapon my attacker has dropped and use it to despatch his comrade.
Then I would put the kettle on obviously....
After a nice cup of rosy, I would cruelly dismember the bodies in my bathtub to remove excess blood, wrap the parts in old newspaper and put them into my military bergan. Using this, I could pretend I was merely going walking, head onto the local moors and in a very desolate place, dig a large hole with my foldaway shovel and toss the parts in.
Then I would come home, make some crumpets and watch the Queens speech on television and make love to my beautiful girlfriend.
.......................
Or lock the door and phone the police obviously.
Come on, after all that dismembering business, you've earned at least some fish and chips and a nice beer no? After all dismembering might make you break a sweat.
mattyrm wrote:Or lock the door and phone the police obviously.
I recall hearing a story about some women that had someone break into her house. I imagine she had been taught to call the police and leave everything up to them. Well, she called them, and because the police were 5 or so minutes away, and the burglar was 5 or so seconds away, the burglar got to her first and killed her. I think too many people get the impression that you call the police first instead of calling them when it's most convenient (as in not calling them when you're unarmed and someone is making their way to you).
Not implying that you would wait for the police to come to do something about the situation.
Yeah but surely a home invasion is about theft, not cold blooded murder?
The best thing a woman can do is barricade the door with her bed, phone the police, and then let them steal things. They aren't going to waste time trying to break a door down if the Po po are on the way 99.9% of the time surely?! And lots of civilians get killed with their own firearms because they bottle it when it comes to slotting people.
Im sure any law enforcement professional would advise calling the police and then locking/barricading your door over MORTAL KOMBAT.
mattyrm wrote:Or lock the door and phone the police obviously.
I recall hearing a story about some women that had someone break into her house. I imagine she had been taught to call the police and leave everything up to them. Well, she called them, and because the police were 5 or so minutes away, and the burglar was 5 or so seconds away, the burglar got to her first and killed her. I think too many people get the impression that you call the police first instead of calling them when it's most convenient (as in not calling them when you're unarmed and someone is making their way to you).
Not implying that you would wait for the police to come to do something about the situation.
Well, generally you're taught call the police and shout it out (so the operator on 9-11 can hear) "I HAVE A GUN AND AM IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE!" Now if you're Matty you make this call after you've gone samurai sword Jake Pulp Fiction, but it serves the same purpose.
In our situation, if SWMBO has not already terminated the threat with extreme predjudice for waking her up, she has a view of the rooms upstairs and then an Alamo location. Training is that she is to call 9-11, put the phone on the ground but leave on and state her location and the above phrase. And because of the fun of a previous stalker she is to blow anything coming up the stairs to hell and gone twice over without batting an eye, especially if its said stalker. I'll note that the locations are such that she will not run out of ammo and has other, even bigger firearms that are cocked and locked, including items that will deal with any body armor that a civilian can acquire.
We also have different but similar plans if I am there with her, but that includes something about rocket propelled chainsaws....
Come on, after all that dismembering business, you've earned at least some fish and chips and a nice beer no? After all dismembering might make you break a sweat.
Aye I suppose so, too large a meal may impact on my normally epic sexual performance however.
I once had fish and chips before going on the job and I got a terrible stitch.
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Frazzled wrote:
Necroshea wrote:
mattyrm wrote:Or lock the door and phone the police obviously.
I recall hearing a story about some women that had someone break into her house. I imagine she had been taught to call the police and leave everything up to them. Well, she called them, and because the police were 5 or so minutes away, and the burglar was 5 or so seconds away, the burglar got to her first and killed her. I think too many people get the impression that you call the police first instead of calling them when it's most convenient (as in not calling them when you're unarmed and someone is making their way to you).
Not implying that you would wait for the police to come to do something about the situation.
Well, generally you're taught call the police and shout it out (so the operator on 9-11 can hear) "I HAVE A GUN AND AM IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE!" Now if you're Matty you make this call after you've gone samurai sword Jake Pulp Fiction, but it serves the same purpose.
Yeah I meant that was advice for normal people though Frazz, and women in particular.
mattyrm wrote:Yeah but surely a home invasion is about theft, not cold blooded murder?
I really don't recall the specifics, but I guess he broke in, heard her calling the police, and decided to off her before she explained the situation? Who knows. Also, nothing wrong with a little MORTAL KOMBAT every now and again, except when your opponent spams bullets. Those things are so OP.
laugh evilly in my mind. put on a maniacal grin. (I believe that looking and acting like a career killer is going to cause any thieves to crap themselves. it helps to think like the too.)
sneak up behind them.
scream and laugh while bludgeoning them into a stupor/coma/a bloody pulp. whichever comes first.
if they are uncontiouse:
hogtie them up.
lock them in the downstairs bathroom (just one toilet and a shower head)
get the neighbors.
celebrate vigilante law of Nepal. (A burglar in my village was once tied down, heir pulled out, pins stuck under his nails and chucked in a well here.
if they have left the land of the berthing and upright.
wrap up the body in some biodegradable stuff.
slightly change my features (fake mustache or something)
bring the body down to the river:
A: claim i was his only relative and burn it (Custom here)
B: wrap it in chicken, weigh it down with cinderblocks, fling it into the river and let eh fish and crabs have their way with it.
Come on, after all that dismembering business, you've earned at least some fish and chips and a nice beer no? After all dismembering might make you break a sweat.
Aye I suppose so, too large a meal may impact on my normally epic sexual performance however.
I once had fish and chips before going on the job and I got a terrible stitch.
Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.
Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.
My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.
KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.
Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.
My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.
Might want to keep those things in mind.
Stop making sense, we need more internet tough guy!
KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.
Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.
My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.
Might want to keep those things in mind.
Stop making sense, we need more internet tough guy!
Well in Texas
1. you don't have to retreat.
2. no warning shots
3. no wounding nonsense, the standard is shoot until the threat stops.
4. you have no duty to render aid.
The jury is still out on whether you can hang them after, just because.
I live in a compound with three layers of barbed wire and machine gun posts.
I have a large axe between the bed and the mattress.
I do not fear home invasion.
+1 to about all Frazz said. Unless you train for Israeli carry or practice loading every time you pick it up, keeping an unloaded gun is next to useless. In a panic situation, you revert to whatever training you have and if you're not used to picking it up and racking it all you are going to hear is the loudest sound a gun can make. That's the click of nothing happening when you pull the trigger. And yes, it's going to be a panic situation and introduces one more thing that can go wrong in an already bad situation.
To the question there are 2 1911's, a AR-15 built for CCQ, and a HD 870 with the mag extension within reach from my bed.
Wait for them to leave. It's overwhelmingly likely they are just here for my stuff, and frankly I don't care enough about my stuff to escalate things into a physical conflict that stand a good chance of leaving me injured, or worse.
On the oft chance that the police are not notified, kill the fether, then whip up some concrete shoes, and take 'em for a swim (taking care, of course, not to leave behind any type of bodily fluids and/or tissue samples).
If/when the body is found, what is there to connect the corpse to you? It's not like they told the police they were going to hit your place up, and that if they didn't come back in an hour, to check up on them.
The funny thing is about a sword i own, its nearly as long as the ironing board. And thats where it's sitting on an ironing board next to my bed, also on that board a sword that is hallway wieldable.
Dunno about all this calling the police thing... sure, call them, but only once you have protection. As in, a weapon to fend off enemies. Especially a gun. Someone on the phone is especially vulnerable to attack, as their attention is split and they have a hand taken up.
And in Texas, you shoot first, ask questions later. Castle doctrine and all. If the police want to knock on your door, they come to the door, announce who they are, and have a damn warrant, etc...
Melissia wrote:Dunno about all this calling the police thing... sure, call them, but only once you have protection. As in, a weapon to fend off enemies. Especially a gun. Someone on the phone is especially vulnerable to attack, as their attention is split and they have a hand taken up.And in Texas, you shoot first, ask questions later. Castle doctrine and all. If the police want to knock on your door, they come to the door, announce who they are, and have a damn warrant, etc...
Yep, and they also are announcing their presence which may not have been known to the perp yet.
When learning the fundamentals of patrolling, the mantra Security Security Security is beaten into you. You always secure the area before other actions. It applies to much of life. In this case, as Melissia states, grabbing the weapon and maybe locking yourself in a room if you do not want to confront the perp, or clearing your house to secure it are the first steps. Once you and your family are out of immediate danger you have time to compose yourself and call the cops. Before your family and you are secure it is silly to take any action not geared towards providing security.
Couple of rifles, 2 shotguns, a few handguns of various calibers and plentiful ammo.
Then again, there's really no need for it. I live in in an isolated corner of an aging neighborhood surrounded by impenetrable wetlands, mostly.
KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.
Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.
My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.
Might want to keep those things in mind.
Stop making sense, we need more internet tough guy!
Well in Texas
1. you don't have to retreat.
2. no warning shots
3. no wounding nonsense, the standard is shoot until the threat stops.
4. you have no duty to render aid.
The jury is still out on whether you can hang them after, just because.
Yea thats the same here in Michigan, my warning shot, is a stomach full of buck shot But still, if I spray someone down, while on the phone with 911, Ill make sure they know Im trying to help the guy. Why? Because any chance of me not being prosecuted for this stupid donkey-cave, the better.
And on that note.....it just pisses me off that such things can happen to people. Some jerk off, voluntarily breaks into my locked up house, to steal my things and put my family in danger, takes it pretty badly in the stomach for example. He pulls through, but boy is he fethed up. Now IM Im trouble because said jerkoff is suing me for shooting him? Or like the joke earlier about the dude impaling himself on spikes breaking in.....same deal. Really?! How the feth does that even work?
KingCracker wrote:Some things to remember about home defense in America anyways. Never EVER attack/shoot them from behind. cannot stress that one enough, unless you think going to prison for assault or murder sounds like fun. If you end up shooting/stabbing/attacking the criminal, try (I say this only because its very hard to show restraint in a stressful situation like this, when you and your family is in danger) not to go overboard with the defense. If you shoot them 15 times, chances are, your going to prison. If you stab them 12 times and then cut their throat, your going to prison. If they can prove you shot them once, and then executed them with a tap to the head or similar, your going to prison.
Also, if you injure the person in question, weather stabbing, shooting whatever, at least try to help them while calling the police. Meaning, give them a tower or something for the wound and so on. It shows that you were simply defending yourself and your property and that you werent trying to cause unnecessary harm to them. That can go a long ways in your defense when the police are looking at it.
My oldest brother was in his car in a parking lot a few years ago, and some guy came up, stuck a gun in his face and said give me your car. He said ok let me unbuckle and its yours. What the guy didnt know, was while he was unbuckling he was also unholstering his gun. When he got out of the car, my brother slapped the guys arm to the side he was hold the gun with and shot him 3 times in the stomach. He kicked the dudes gun away, and called the police. While on the phone with the police, he took his jacket off (in the winter even) and told the guy to hold is as hard as he could to stop the bleeding. The police/ambulance got there, took the guy away, and my brother was never in fear of being charged with anything because he did it by the book.
Might want to keep those things in mind.
Just don't do anything medical related beyond your level of training, you may just open yourself up to different types of lawsuits.
Also, you fire until the person stop doing what they were doing that made you fire in the first place. Be it one round, or 15, but I understand your promoting restraint and a highly support that.
And I hate to say it, it also depends on your gender and background. If I shoot someone 15 times I'm going to go meet bubba most likely, A) Because I'm a guy so there goes the sympathy vote, B) I was in the military, so the jury is going to assume I know some sort of magical way to stop the person without killing em and C) I was a cop, I'm sure the prosecution will use that against me somehow.
But if my five and a half foot tall school teacher wife unloaded a magazine she has a better chance getting away with it, it's easier to use the "I was fearing for my life" defense. Which is complete BS because anyone who isn't a sociopath isn't going to be shooting unless they feared for their life or that of a loved one, but the courts really don't see it that way.
The best advice I have is if you do injure or kill someone breaking into your home, don't tell the cops , be polite and respectful, just state that your really shaken up and would prefer to talk to a lawyer first. And it's going to be the truth, your going to be freaked out and shaken up and while you may think your in perfect control and that the cop is there to help, your not and they couldn't care less.
Melissia wrote:Depends on the cop really. Some care, some don't, some just want in your pants, etc.
Wait...just want in your pants?...which cops are these..?...when do they show up?...I feel sadly let down that I've yet to encounter these diligent public servants.
There was a case a few years back (I think in NY) where some guy was watching a couple's home, and was going to break in when he knew they would be on vacation.
He climbed on their garage roof after they left, and fell through a skylight. The garage door was padlocked, and the door to the house was locked as well.
The homeowners found him a week later, and called the police, who promptly arrested the man.
A month or so after that, the same suspect sued the couple and WON because he injured himself on their property.
How BS is that?
Automatically Appended Next Post: There also was one in Buffalo where a man broke into his neighbor's house, stole a tube tv from the second floor, and broke his ankle when he tripped down the stairs with the tv.
And on that note.....it just pisses me off that such things can happen to people. Some jerk off, voluntarily breaks into my locked up house, to steal my things and put my family in danger, takes it pretty badly in the stomach for example. He pulls through, but boy is he fethed up. Now IM Im trouble because said jerkoff is suing me for shooting him? Or like the joke earlier about the dude impaling himself on spikes breaking in.....same deal. Really?! How the feth does that even work?
Again that sort of case would be laughed out of court here. As noted above, call the police and inform them the spawnling is wounded. Thats the limit of your medical knowledge and anything more than that can get you in trouble. Additionally, at least for the House of Frazzled, stopping the threat basically means emptying the clip into them.
If you survive 8 240 grain golden sabres center mass or even better Mozambique if the light is decent, dude you're the ing terminator.
KingCracker wrote:
Yea thats the same here in Michigan, my warning shot, is a stomach full of buck shot But still, if I spray someone down, while on the phone with 911, Ill make sure they know Im trying to help the guy. Why? Because any chance of me not being prosecuted for this stupid donkey-cave, the better.
Fortunately Texas has immunity against civil suits in these cases where it is a legit self-defense shooting. The extent of my medical analysis and assistance is the diagnosis of "acute failure of the victim selection process" of the perp.
lovin what can happen in one night my own plan is simple, gardai take about 3-5 DAYS to appear so thats out, i have a airsoft replica C02 1911 in a holster beside my bed, i know its not real but this is ireland :( it packs a punch and is enough of a deterant that i could get clsoe enough, both my sister and i are trained to a very high level of martial arts.
i live on a farm so we do have a shotgun, however its kept with a four-dial gun lock and cartridges are kept in a shed about 400m away...
the reason this thread came about was because a friend of mine from the airsoft scene had his house broken into a couple of months ago, they stole a feth-load of diesel from a tank in his yard, the next day he mixed diesel and water and put it in the tank, he came out the next morning and found a pigs head and a note saying theyd kill him for it he and a group of his friends, including former irish rangers, got together borrowed skull shaped full face masks and shotguns, waited outside the next night and walked the thieves to the police station
Melissia wrote:Dunno about all this calling the police thing... sure, call them, but only once you have protection. As in, a weapon to fend off enemies. Especially a gun. Someone on the phone is especially vulnerable to attack, as their attention is split and they have a hand taken up.
And in Texas, you shoot first, ask questions later. Castle doctrine and all. If the police want to knock on your door, they come to the door, announce who they are, and have a damn warrant, etc...
first off the dogs would have scared them off as soon as they got in the yard, that is what they are there for. Then the house dog would go nuts waking everyone up. We don't have real guns, but we do have frozen paintballs, and if you have ever gotten hit with one of them at close range you understand that it can hurt worse than a real bullet. We also have a bat at every door, but the dogs do their job, and we hopefully will never have do deal with a home invasion.
Here we have no castle law, so first, grab the AK47, since it is the most handy thing available.
Then listen to see if the noise is my housemates usual noise of being up late.
If the sound is rummaging and breaking of things, exit room, chambering a round, ready to fire.
Supposing they run at this point, call the police to make a report.
Supposing they do not run, and do anything in a threatining manner, if they so much as swear at me, I shoot them. If they have no weapon, I plant a knife on them.
If they surrender themselves, I call the police to come apprehend them.
Not trying to argue, but this is all "Just sayin'" from the point of view of what happens locally around here. Home invasions aren't someone sneaking in your window in the middle of the night and sneaking out. This is them breaking the door in and giving you two options.
DIDM wrote:first off the dogs would have scared them off as soon as they got in the yard, that is what they are there for. Then the house dog would go nuts waking everyone up.
If they are coming in, they aren't worried about your dogs. The dogs will likely be shot or otherwise neutralized if they are near the point of entry. Chances are also good that they already knew you had dogs.
We don't have real guns, but we do have frozen paintballs, and if you have ever gotten hit with one of them at close range you understand that it can hurt worse than a real bullet.
1) Are these by your bed at night or a table beside you where you can get them in an instant? There's no time to go to the freezer and get them out, load them, etc.
2) It's not about hurting them, it's about stopping the threat. Hurt can just enrage them more, not entice them to surrender. Stopping the threat means incapacitating them or taking the fight out of them. If they are wearing thick clothes or multiple layers of clothes, this is likely going to minimize any impact from the paintballs. Most paintballs weigh at most 3.5 grams and are around 300 FPS (i.e. not alot of energy here and no wounding effects). Compare that to a .45ACP that is 1.5 grams going 800-900 FPS.
We also have a bat at every door, but the dogs do their job, and we hopefully will never have do deal with a home invasion.
Do you sit by those doors and do you have faith in your ability to use a bat as a lightsaber to deflect the bullets coming at you? Remember, the BG(s) are ready for action by the time they are in your house. Are you? It's well shown in crime stats that home invaders don't care about hurting or killing you or anyone else in your house.
I hope you're right though and no body has to deal with a home invasion. We've thought through this threat and I know how my family and I will react to this type of a situation as well as having active, not passive measures to deter it from happening
dogs outside bark, and if someone shoots my dogs outside, I'm pretty sure the gunshot would get the cops called by every neighbor.
so I would be awake, and grab my gun, load it and start stalking in inside of my home. I have 2 doors, so not hard to cover them. Since doors are deadbolted they would have to come in a window, making my job even easier.
given all this, the crook would just leave, home invasion isn't worth dying over. I also live with 3 other guys, so we have a small assault force here.
DIDM wrote:first off the dogs would have scared them off as soon as they got in the yard, that is what they are there for. Then the house dog would go nuts waking everyone up. We don't have real guns, but we do have frozen paintballs, and if you have ever gotten hit with one of them at close range you understand that it can hurt worse than a real bullet. We also have a bat at every door, but the dogs do their job, and we hopefully will never have do deal with a home invasion.
Sadly dogs only keep some of them away, it's really easy to take care of a dog if your robbing some place that's one of my biggest concerns is someone kills my dogs while I'm out of the house to rob the house, I don't care so much for the stuff but their like my kids.
Sckitzo wrote:The best advice I have is if you do injure or kill someone breaking into your home, don't tell the cops , be polite and respectful, just state that your really shaken up and would prefer to talk to a lawyer first.
Officer, you were there after the victim was shot, what did the defendant say to you?
"He said he was really shaken up."
In your experience, do people who are "really shaken up" exhibit rational behavior when handling firearms?
"No."
If the defendant wasn't rational, would you say that the defendant acted out of a rational fear that his life was threatened?
"No."
Thank you officer, I have no further questions.
The proper response when dealing with police is "I do not consent to a search, I'm not answering any questions, I want a lawyer."
Sckitzo wrote:The best advice I have is if you do injure or kill someone breaking into your home, don't tell the cops , be polite and respectful, just state that your really shaken up and would prefer to talk to a lawyer first.
Officer, you were there after the victim was shot, what did the defendant say to you?
"He said he was really shaken up."
In your experience, do people who are "really shaken up" exhibit rational behavior when handling firearms?
"No."
If the defendant wasn't rational, would you say that the defendant acted out of a rational fear that his life was threatened?
"No."
Thank you officer, I have no further questions.
The proper response when dealing with police is "I do not consent to a search, I'm not answering any questions, I want a lawyer."
Massad Ayoob wrote:
1. Call 911
2. Officer this person attacked me, I will sign the complaint,
3. Officer here is the evidence (knife, gun, ball bat, whatever).
4. Officer these are the witnesses.
5. Officer you will have my full cooperation in 24 hrs after I see my attorney.
This is also why I have a card with the Texas Law Shield phone number and states on the back of it that I have invoked my 4th, 5th, and 6th amendment rights.
DIDM wrote:first off the dogs would have scared them off as soon as they got in the yard, that is what they are there for. Then the house dog would go nuts waking everyone up. We don't have real guns, but we do have frozen paintballs, and if you have ever gotten hit with one of them at close range you understand that it can hurt worse than a real bullet. We also have a bat at every door, but the dogs do their job, and we hopefully will never have do deal with a home invasion.
Sadly dogs only keep some of them away, it's really easy to take care of a dog if your robbing some place that's one of my biggest concerns is someone kills my dogs while I'm out of the house to rob the house, I don't care so much for the stuff but their like my kids.
luckily I live in a city where I am 99.9% sure I will never have a home invasion. But the thread was what is my plan for one, and that is mine. I have 2 large dogs that live in my yard, and a heeler that lives inside. They may not kill the intruder, but they will at least alert me to someone coming. My dog inside thinks he is huge and the only guard dog in the house. He knows the minute anyone is in the yard, friend or foe, and he goes nuts till he sees who it is.
and sadly enough, all I would have to do is call 911 and a cop would be here in seconds, and they would shoot the intruder, with a real gun.
I live in a medical state, so patients are protected by the police. homes with cards attached are potential targets for thieves, and the cops have our backs. Being a white male in my 30's is about as safe as you can get in the city of Portland.
but seriously, have you ever had a frozen paintball shot at you? when you are shot with a real gun shock sets in and you feel nothing for a while, but frozen paint in a hard ball is just god awful. I would also aim for crucial areas, neck, lungs and crotch.
dogs outside bark, and if someone shoots my dogs outside, I'm pretty sure the gunshot would get the cops called by every neighbor.
so I would be awake, and grab my gun, load it and start stalking in inside of my home. I have 2 doors, so not hard to cover them. Since doors are deadbolted they would have to come in a window, making my job even easier.
given all this, the crook would just leave, home invasion isn't worth dying over. I also live with 3 other guys, so we have a small assault force here.
Just because a door is deadbolted, doesn't mean it's invincible. They can still be kicked in, it's just harder.
You're also making the assumption that the person invading your home is rational.
What if he's poor and is forced to steal for a living?
What if he's a meth/crack head, too high to care?
What if he has some sort of grudge against you and only wants to hurt you?
Just pray they arnt hopped up on meth or something. Im tellin ya, those mother fethers are HARD to put down. Years ago, I worked at a local Target. And this guy started bolting for the doors, and 3 security guards came from no where and tackled the guy. Now this fella could only of been 110pounds and thats being generous, 2 guards were average size/build, the 3rd looked like a blocker in football. They struggled to hold him down big time, he was actually getting away. So myself and my buddy Ben, we are about the same size/build jumped over to help them. I had his legs, and Ben was smashing the dudes face into the ground, and it still took all 5 of us to subdue him and get him cuffed.
It was just insane, and Ive heard police stories where theyve had to open fire on drugged out crooks and it took many rounds to phase them
I've got about three knives in my room, and one of which is sharp enough to shave with (bad idea).
You really don't want to feth with me. I have a banana tree in my back yard, and there's a machete in my garage that I use to cut down the bunches.
I have a samurai sword on display but it's easy to miss if your not looking for it. but that doesn't matter when your dropping furniture onto your bugler.
KingCracker wrote:Just pray they arnt hopped up on meth or something. Im tellin ya, those mother fethers are HARD to put down. Years ago, I worked at a local Target. And this guy started bolting for the doors, and 3 security guards came from no where and tackled the guy. Now this fella could only of been 110pounds and thats being generous, 2 guards were average size/build, the 3rd looked like a blocker in football. They struggled to hold him down big time, he was actually getting away. So myself and my buddy Ben, we are about the same size/build jumped over to help them. I had his legs, and Ben was smashing the dudes face into the ground, and it still took all 5 of us to subdue him and get him cuffed.
It was just insane, and Ive heard police stories where theyve had to open fire on drugged out crooks and it took many rounds to phase them
id always heard that but assumed that sorta thing was urban myth good thing meth hasnt really hit ireland yet, all the waens are all jumped up on super glue or vodka and orange juice
I have rigged all of the floors in my house on a hinge, they are activated by a secret button. When I press the button, they drop, sending everything not nailed down(people and zombies) into an incinerator in my basement. This takes care of burglars, and house guests.
KingCracker wrote:Just pray they arnt hopped up on meth or something. Im tellin ya, those mother fethers are HARD to put down. Years ago, I worked at a local Target. And this guy started bolting for the doors, and 3 security guards came from no where and tackled the guy. Now this fella could only of been 110pounds and thats being generous, 2 guards were average size/build, the 3rd looked like a blocker in football. They struggled to hold him down big time, he was actually getting away. So myself and my buddy Ben, we are about the same size/build jumped over to help them. I had his legs, and Ben was smashing the dudes face into the ground, and it still took all 5 of us to subdue him and get him cuffed.
It was just insane, and Ive heard police stories where theyve had to open fire on drugged out crooks and it took many rounds to phase them
id always heard that but assumed that sorta thing was urban myth good thing meth hasnt really hit ireland yet, all the waens are all jumped up on super glue or vodka and orange juice
No myth lol, they are like super humans when all hopped up. Its friggin crazy. If you were to take on yourself, 1 of you was normal, and the other all juiced up, the normal you would be trounced
12thRonin wrote:+1 to about all Frazz said. Unless you train for Israeli carry or practice loading every time you pick it up, keeping an unloaded gun is next to useless. In a panic situation, you revert to whatever training you have and if you're not used to picking it up and racking it all you are going to hear is the loudest sound a gun can make. That's the click of nothing happening when you pull the trigger. And yes, it's going to be a panic situation and introduces one more thing that can go wrong in an already bad situation.
So someone too befuddled in the middle of night to load a gun is going to be okay to shoot straight?
Really, anyone owning a gun should get used to handling it so that's it's still second nature in a panic, this is why military people are better trusted with weapons than civilians. You don't want one of your few times handling a gun to be when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night.
This article is very interesting and contains heaps of figures on the subject, I don't expect some of the more gung-ho members to read their way through but it's addresses a lot of issues and isn't that long. http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/01/1559827610396294.full.pdf A few quotes but that doesn't really reflect the wider article.
However, it is important to recognize that the home is a relatively safe place, especially from strangers. For example, fewer than 30% of burglaries in the United States (2003-2007) occur when someone is at home. In the 7% of burglaries when violence does occur, the burglar is more likely to be an intimate (current or former) and also more likely to be a relative or known acquaintance than a stranger
In the rare instance of a real-world shooting situation, confusion, stress, and fear can become overwhelming. Heart rates skyrocket, and it is difficult to think clearly and act deliberately. This creates 2 major problems for civilians with guns, particularly those who are not well trained. The first is that they may act inappropriately. Indeed, police officers, who receive large amounts of training, are still often inadequately prepared to handle ambiguous but potentially dangerous situations, and they often make serious mistakes. Individuals without practical training do much worse.
The second problem is that the pounding heart, muscle tension, trembling, dizziness, and nausea that may accompany a real-world shooting situation will degrade the owner’s ability not only to use the gun wisely but to use it effectively. Although adrenaline may enhance animal fighting skills and be useful for either flight or fighting, it creates a severe loss in the fine motor coordination needed for the accurate shooting of a handgun as well as the ability to think rationally, reflectively, or creatively.
A study of all gunshot injuries in Galveston, Texas, over a 3-year period found only 2 that were related to residential burglary or robbery. In one, the homeowner was shot and killed by a burglar; in the other, the homeowner shot the burglar. During the same interval, guns in the home were involved in the death and injury of more than 100 residents, family members, friends, or acquaintances
Home invasion plan=Pull out a 12 gauge, capture the home intruder, knock the intruder unconscious, call up Zed to come on over, and bring out the gimp.
schadenfreude wrote:Home invasion plan=Pull out a 12 gauge, capture the home intruder, knock the intruder unconscious, call up Zed to come on over, and bring out the gimp.
Howard A Treesong wrote:
So someone too befuddled in the middle of night to load a gun is going to be okay to shoot straight?
It's not about befuddlement, it's about time. Unless you train on doing that, reloading is the worst thing you can do in the middle of a fight. There are so many points of failure involved with loading or reloading a weapon. Shooting straight is easy.
Really, anyone owning a gun should get used to handling it so that's it's still second nature in a panic, this is why military people are better trusted with weapons than civilians. You don't want one of your few times handling a gun to be when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night.
Actually, they're not. Unless they are deployed, weapons are forbidden on military bases. To the rest of this, I do agree 100% and have said the same thing. And I do train on it, all the time.
This article is very interesting and contains heaps of figures on the subject, I don't expect some of the more gung-ho members to read their way through but it's addresses a lot of issues and isn't that long.
http://ajl.sagepub.com/content/early/2011/02/01/1559827610396294.full.pdf A few quotes but that doesn't really reflect the wider article.
However, it is important to recognize that the home is a relatively safe place, especially from strangers. For example, fewer than 30% of burglaries in the United States (2003-2007) occur when someone is at home. In the 7% of burglaries when violence does occur, the burglar is more likely to be an intimate (current or former) and also more likely to be a relative or known acquaintance than a stranger
I have read this before actually. The statistics are out of date at this point for this. And to be honest, the identity of the person is irrelevant. This is why you don't let the pizza delivery guy see the inside of your house for the same reason you look for cars that don't belong on your street or "repair people" pulling up to your neighbors when they aren't home.
In the rare instance of a real-world shooting situation, confusion, stress, and fear can become overwhelming. Heart rates skyrocket, and it is difficult to think clearly and act deliberately. This creates 2 major problems for civilians with guns, particularly those who are not well trained. The first is that they may act inappropriately. Indeed, police officers, who receive large amounts of training, are still often inadequately prepared to handle ambiguous but potentially dangerous situations, and they often make serious mistakes. Individuals without practical training do much worse.
The second problem is that the pounding heart, muscle tension, trembling, dizziness, and nausea that may accompany a real-world shooting situation will degrade the owner’s ability not only to use the gun wisely but to use it effectively. Although adrenaline may enhance animal fighting skills and be useful for either flight or fighting, it creates a severe loss in the fine motor coordination needed for the accurate shooting of a handgun as well as the ability to think rationally, reflectively, or creatively.
Your regular patrol officer does not receive any special tactical training with their firearms. They do not get this unless they are in SWAT or other special units like it. To your other point, the same goes for any other weapon or method of self defense. Guess you're saying we shouldn't defend ourselves at all.
Just remember also that when seconds count, the police are minutes away.
A study of all gunshot injuries in Galveston, Texas, over a 3-year period found only 2 that were related to residential burglary or robbery. In one, the homeowner was shot and killed by a burglar; in the other, the homeowner shot the burglar. During the same interval, guns in the home were involved in the death and injury of more than 100 residents, family members, friends, or acquaintances
Cars killed and injured more people in the same period of time. Guess people shouldn't have cars in their home either.
Besides, we're not talking about cat burgler when discussing a home invasion. Home invasions are an different breed of bad.
Sckitzo wrote:The best advice I have is if you do injure or kill someone breaking into your home, don't tell the cops , be polite and respectful, just state that your really shaken up and would prefer to talk to a lawyer first.
Officer, you were there after the victim was shot, what did the defendant say to you?
"He said he was really shaken up."
In your experience, do people who are "really shaken up" exhibit rational behavior when handling firearms?
"No."
If the defendant wasn't rational, would you say that the defendant acted out of a rational fear that his life was threatened?
"No."
Thank you officer, I have no further questions.
The proper response when dealing with police is "I do not consent to a search, I'm not answering any questions, I want a lawyer."
If your not shaken up after shooting someone, you have something wrong going on in the head. You just injured a fellow human, most likely fatally if your cool, calm and collected after that while seemingly indifferent the other lawyer is just going to spin that like your a sociopath. Talk to the cops if you want, but when I was doing joint training with TPD and they specifically told me not to talk to the patrol upon response when the topic came up in conversation I'm going with their advice.
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NuggzTheNinja wrote:Lol...
Good luck, ghetto goblins.
What is that Optic? EoTech? Looks odd for some reason.
Sckitzo wrote:
What is that Optic? EoTech? Looks odd for some reason.
It's an IR MARS. It's like an Aimpoint in that it uses a red dot, but has an integrated 850 nm laser (IR, can only be seen with night vision) that zeroes automatically to the point of aim of the red dot.
In other words, you zero the red dot, and your laser is zeroed. Useful, because unless you have a range that will let you turn out the lights and shoot with your night vision, it's going to be hard to zero.
Was originally designed for the IDF's Tavor rifle but works fine on an AR.
Not pictured: My NVG's My Crossbow My last resort pick-axe. It's a hell of an intimidating thing if someone comes at you in a parking lot with a tire iron (it fits great in the trunk of my vehicle).
If you'll please excuse the mess (I'm in the progress of cleaning out my storage unit).
Next to my bed - Katana and Sai, both of which I have trained with extensively.
On the wall - Bastard sword, two handed sword.
In my emergency box in the computer room - Machete, heavy duty flashlight, tonfa, garrotte.
In my wardrobe - Tiger claws
In my gun safe in my bathroom - lever shotgun, nine mill.
Sckitzo wrote:
What is that Optic? EoTech? Looks odd for some reason.
It's an IR MARS. It's like an Aimpoint in that it uses a red dot, but has an integrated 850 nm laser (IR, can only be seen with night vision) that zeroes automatically to the point of aim of the red dot.
In other words, you zero the red dot, and your laser is zeroed. Useful, because unless you have a range that will let you turn out the lights and shoot with your night vision, it's going to be hard to zero.
Was originally designed for the IDF's Tavor rifle but works fine on an AR.
Interesting, I'm only familiar with the EoTech 512 and Aimpoint M68's. I've heard the MARS mentioned but never gotten my mitts on one. Sounds like a nice combination of the PAQ lasers and an optic though, price tag must be insane the more I think about it.
Answering the OP: My weapons of choice are the sword and dagger in the bedroom closet, less than six linear feet from my hands when I'm alseep in bed. The geometry of my apartment works in my favor here, getting into the bedroom means getting into melee range. Sword swats the gun barrel/arm; dagger goes in for the gut to cripple; return stroke with the sword across the side of the neck for the fatality.
Doctadeth wrote:Next to my bed - Katana and Sai, both of which I have trained with extensively.
On the wall - Bastard sword, two handed sword.
In my emergency box in the computer room - Machete, heavy duty flashlight, tonfa, garrotte.
In my wardrobe - Tiger claws
In my gun safe in my bathroom - lever shotgun, nine mill.
The attacker has a handgun= BOOM headshot!
That is why I have a 9mm handgun in my nightstand, a shotgun (not loaded) under my bed, a family heirloom saber hanging from my wall (sharp as hell), a body armor capable of stopping most of the powerful handgun bullets, a military-grade helmet and as a last resort, 3x throwing knives. However, as you may have guessed, it takes a while to get all of this equipment on. I have actually used the handgun once against a burglar. I bet his leg still hurts in jail.
Doctadeth wrote:Next to my bed - Katana and Sai, both of which I have trained with extensively.
On the wall - Bastard sword, two handed sword.
In my emergency box in the computer room - Machete, heavy duty flashlight, tonfa, garrotte.
In my wardrobe - Tiger claws
In my gun safe in my bathroom - lever shotgun, nine mill.
The attacker has a handgun= BOOM headshot!
That is why I have a 9mm handgun in my nightstand, a shotgun (not loaded) under my bed, a family heirloom saber hanging from my wall (sharp as hell), a body armor capable of stopping most of the powerful handgun bullets, a military-grade helmet and as a last resort, 3x throwing knives. However, as you may have guessed, it takes a while to get all of this equipment on. I have actually used the handgun once against a burglar. I bet his leg still hurts in jail.
Not actually that easy to get even a handgun over here in Oz. Plus my house is tightly put together, so actually encourages grappling etc in the event of a burglary/home invasion.
with a man's Hostess Fruit Pies. 
..Your what could do some damage if there was room to swing it..? 
Oh dear.
I actually have weapons hidden in spots key everywhere around my flat. No one would be able to guess where they were unless they were very lucky. You'd have to know how to fight properly with the blades anyway. If I was in bed I'd give my girlfriend the M1911 and I'd grab my katana.
that's one of my biggest concerns is someone kills my dogs while I'm out of the house to rob the house, I don't care so much for the stuff but their like my kids.
