While typing this I am listen to a Justin Bieber tune called 'Mistletoe' on YouTube, after it finishes I will load up another one, possibly a third. Forgive me, its for science.
I am reading so much on YouTube about how much he sucks, and how those who 'dislike' good music tracks must be Bieber fans.
... So 'Pray' has just started. Ok, this is not my kind of music, but the boy can sing, even if it is rumoured he cannot sing live. I so often find far far worse.
Why the hate? His videos are syrupy, that much is true, but allowing for what else is out there at the moment surely people are barking at the wrong tree.
... 'Pray' just finished. I am not up for track number 3, I will go back to other things. My little dip into the world of Justin Bieber has refirmed the belief that you shouldnt beleive the hype though.
Could it be this kid is unpopular because of what he does offstage? I would'nt know I dont follow celeb gossip. But if it is true why are others still popular who have transparently so much less to offer. Bieber appears to be 'boy next door' and marketing spin aside he must be a better role model for youth than a plastic doll like Katy Perry or Lady Gaga and far more accessible. A kid with a guitar can be the next Bieber if he works on it, while it would take a whales worth of lipstick to make a new Gaga. Could it be his very mundanity that works against him?
His interviews are solid and often hilarious. Kid has a really good head on his shoulders. Honestly it's because he does pop. Pop =/= metal, therefore it sucks apparently
I don't like his music, but I can respect him. At the ripe old age of 17, he's a millionaire, a massive pop star, and can date anyone he wants. Dude's a fething boss.
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:His interviews are solid and often hilarious. Kid has a really good head on his shoulders. Honestly it's because he does pop. Pop =/= metal, therefore it sucks apparently
I get Metal =/= pop, therefore it sucks from a lot of people
Honestly, I joke about hatin' on the Beebster, but i've heard bits of a few tracks, and he appears to be able to sing. To be fair, i've no real beef with him at all, but a significant amount of people seem to despise him, as if they caught him having sex with their dog, and it's that kind of hate for someone you've never even met that causes you to spread malicious lies and start insulting groups, that I cannot fathom.
The same goes for that other one, that 'Friday' girl, albeit minus the 'appears to be able to sing' part.
Nerivant wrote:I hold no particular dislike for him, I just don't like that style of music.
If he turns into a massive, inflated ego asshat, then yes, I will hate him.
Spoiler:
Hmm, it's starting already.
Did I miss the reference? Hes just sitting in a car. You want a asshat jerk off. Well that ones an easy one to compare to
Spoiler:
I dont like the kids music very much, though Ill admit sometimes parts will get stuck in my head....curse those blasted music hooks! But I wont bash the kid just cause I like metal or techno or whatever the hip anti pop music is these days
He's the latest young boy lite pop rock Sean Cassidy singer. They come and go. teenage and older boys typically don't like them because of that. Hidden underneath the plastic marketing et al you'll often find a really good singer though. As noted Bieber seems in that realm, just not my cup of tea.
Plus the Wife likes to listen to him on her soccer mom station as she dittybops down the road hitting curbs and pedestrians. Fortunately they occasionally slip through a pumped up kicks type song or we crash or something else intervenes to end the suffering. God is merciful.
Nerivant wrote:I hold no particular dislike for him, I just don't like that style of music.
If he turns into a massive, inflated ego asshat, then yes, I will hate him.
Spoiler:
Hmm, it's starting already.
Did I miss the reference? Hes just sitting in a car. You want a asshat jerk off. Well that ones an easy one to compare to
Spoiler:
I dont like the kids music very much, though Ill admit sometimes parts will get stuck in my head....curse those blasted music hooks! But I wont bash the kid just cause I like metal or techno or whatever the hip anti pop music is these days
It's a Ferrari and he is...16?. I believe he already crashed it too.
Not surprised he crashed a Ferrari he's only 12 yo!
It used to be Donny Osmond or David Cassidy or whoever else since the dawn of the charts. Some with some or more talent than others.
It is hilarious to read some of the gubbins posted on You Tube along with the thumbsdown votes.
Not sure why but even Buddy Holly gets thumbsdown. Not a fan but why except for a slip of the mouse would anyone bother?
Justin Beiber will be gone and forgotten in a year or two anyway to be replaced by the next pretty thing
Chowderhead wrote:I don't like his music, but I can respect him. At the ripe old age of 17, he's a millionaire, a massive pop star, and can date anyone he wants. Dude's a fething boss.
People hate on him because he's insanely rich and younger than they are.
He's dating a reasonably attractive young lady (watching my words since I'm not sure how old she is) and it has recently come to my attention that he has spent over 1,000,000 bucks on her as of this point. He's a playa, as it were, and the bigger a playa one is the more Haters they will accrue.
I dont get all the hate either...
Sure im not a fan of his music but that doesnt mean i go ranting and raving on about it like some of those blowhards you see on youtube. I find the metal videos are the worst for this sort of behaviour though because as OP mentioned, anyone who dislikes a particular song for whatever reason must be a Bieber fan and gets classed as such. What most of them don't realise though is that by talking about the beast you only make it stronger. So if they would just stop talking about him altogether then that would more then likely help him fade into the obscurity that so many wish upon him. Sure it would be nice if he got trampled by a herd of his own screaming fans (that would bring me much amusment, squished Beebs + Hordes of crying tweens = lol) but im not gonna be dissapointed if he doesnt. Rich little bastard...
On a side note, I did catch part of an interview with him where he said his mum grounded him for not washing some dishes or some such... Nice to see his mum hasnt let his fame corrupt her.
Monster Rain wrote:People hate on him because he's insanely rich and younger than they are.
He's dating a reasonably attractive young lady (watching my words since I'm not sure how old she is) and it has recently come to my attention that he has spent over 1,000,000 bucks on her as of this point. He's a playa, as it were, and the bigger a playa one is the more Haters they will accrue.
I think you are allowed to saw shes hot and you'd bang her once she was of age. Least that's what I said about the olsen twins. Who are also filthy rich and probably more talented (business women) than the mop.
Monster Rain wrote:People hate on him because he's insanely rich and younger than they are.
He's dating a reasonably attractive young lady (watching my words since I'm not sure how old she is) and it has recently come to my attention that he has spent over 1,000,000 bucks on her as of this point. He's a playa, as it were, and the bigger a playa one is the more Haters they will accrue.
I think you are allowed to saw shes hot and you'd bang her once she was of age. Least that's what I said about the olsen twins. Who are also filthy rich and probably more talented (business women) than the mop.
Meh, the Olsen Twins are so rakishly thin that they have a serious lack of curves. There bodies have more in common with a prepubescent boy than an actual girl's imo.
The only thing I have against Justin Bieber is his comment that women who were raped shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. That is fething messed up.
But I have nothing against his music or personal life.
LoneLictor wrote:The only thing I have against Justin Bieber is his comment that women who were raped shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. That is fething messed up.
That is horribly disgusting view to have even if the women wasn't raped, she should still be allowed to have an abortion if that's what she wants.
He is an over-packaged, entitled, obnoxious twerp.
Marg Helgenberger said he was rude on the set of CSI and wasn't well liked.
He has a half dozen people paid to be around him telling him how great he is.
His look, sound, and style are all decided for him by committee.
In short, Bieber is nothing more than a 'product'. And once he becomes outdated, another 'product' will be manufactured by the same (or similar) people.
helgrenze wrote:He is an over-packaged, entitled, obnoxious twerp.
Marg Helgenberger said he was rude on the set of CSI and wasn't well liked.
He has a half dozen people paid to be around him telling him how great he is.
His look, sound, and style are all decided for him by committee.
In short, Bieber is nothing more than a 'product'. And once he becomes outdated, another 'product' will be manufactured by the same (or similar) people.
Indeed. Don't worry though, our Dark Lord Cthulhu is here to save us.
Monster Rain wrote:People hate on him because he's insanely rich and younger than they are.
He's dating a reasonably attractive young lady (watching my words since I'm not sure how old she is) and it has recently come to my attention that he has spent over 1,000,000 bucks on her as of this point. He's a playa, as it were, and the bigger a playa one is the more Haters they will accrue.
Ah yes, Shakur's Theorem. I remember it well - the direct proportionality of playa-haters to cash money.
helgrenze wrote:He is an over-packaged, entitled, obnoxious twerp.
Marg Helgenberger said he was rude on the set of CSI and wasn't well liked.
He has a half dozen people paid to be around him telling him how great he is.
His look, sound, and style are all decided for him by committee.
In short, Bieber is nothing more than a 'product'. And once he becomes outdated, another 'product' will be manufactured by the same (or similar) people.
Why does your post sound so bitter? He piss in your froot loops or something?
Apathy, really. I don't envy his life, I hold greed and pride as big sins. His music doesn't appeal to me, so I don't go watch and rant on Youtube. Every time you do that, he gets a dollar-fifty.
helgrenze wrote:He is an over-packaged, entitled, obnoxious twerp.
Marg Helgenberger said he was rude on the set of CSI and wasn't well liked.
He has a half dozen people paid to be around him telling him how great he is.
His look, sound, and style are all decided for him by committee.
In short, Bieber is nothing more than a 'product'. And once he becomes outdated, another 'product' will be manufactured by the same (or similar) people.
Why does your post sound so bitter? He piss in your froot loops or something?
I think it's because Helgrenze only listens to TRUE METAL
...and so pop is his natural enemy. Even though metal is a type of pop music.
I think what drives most people mad about Beiber is the fanbase of his. Ok to me he looks and sings like a girl and I couldn't stand his music. But the girls chasing after him, ugh.
Makes you wonder if female fanbases are the cause of all men's greif
Juvieus Kaine wrote:I think what drives most people mad about Beiber is the fanbase of his.
I've never seen this mythical fanbase of his. Even on youtube they're pretty subdued and-- unlike the whiny frakheads who hate the guy-- focus most of their comments on actual Bieber videos.
The Justin Bieber hatedom is full of far more worthless, obnoxious trash than the fandom is...
AustonT wrote:
I think you are allowed to saw shes hot and you'd bang her once she was of age. Least that's what I said about the olsen twins. Who are also filthy rich and probably more talented (business women) than the mop.
Meh, the Olsen Twins are so rakishly thin that they have a serious lack of curves. There bodies have more in common with a prepubescent boy than an actual girl's imo.
Isnt there something inherently wrong in looking for curves on Olsen twins during the time they were active in the media.
I don't know anything about his character or fanbase, but as far as his music goes...I don't really care. It's not like his music exisiting, be it bad or good, somehow makes the music I like sound any worse.
What I do hate is the incessant Bieber hate that seems to crop up everywhere. I find it incredibly silly that grown men need to to tell other grown men that music tailored and marketed to tween to teen girls is not for them. Oh what a suprise... The same thing can be said about Twilight hatred.
AustonT wrote:
I think you are allowed to saw shes hot and you'd bang her once she was of age. Least that's what I said about the olsen twins. Who are also filthy rich and probably more talented (business women) than the mop.
Meh, the Olsen Twins are so rakishly thin that they have a serious lack of curves. There bodies have more in common with a prepubescent boy than an actual girl's imo.
Isnt there something inherently wrong in looking for curves on Olsen twins during the time they were active in the media.
I just find women look more attractive when they have some curvature.
Just listened the Justin Bieber Baby-Metal version and it blew my mind, in a bad way. Like already said, his singing is not that bad and his a freaking millionare! Im not a fan of he music but I gotta give him credit for his success. Besides, people will forget him once he finally hits puberty
LoneLictor wrote:The only thing I have against Justin Bieber is his comment that women who were raped shouldn't be allowed to have abortions. That is fething messed up.
That is horribly disgusting view to have even if the women wasn't raped, she should still be allowed to have an abortion if that's what she wants.
Agreed; women should be allowed to have abortion no matter what, especially when they're raped. After all, tis her body.
helgrenze wrote:He is an over-packaged, entitled, obnoxious twerp.
Marg Helgenberger said he was rude on the set of CSI and wasn't well liked.
He has a half dozen people paid to be around him telling him how great he is.
His look, sound, and style are all decided for him by committee.
In short, Bieber is nothing more than a 'product'. And once he becomes outdated, another 'product' will be manufactured by the same (or similar) people.
Why does your post sound so bitter? He piss in your froot loops or something?
I think it's because Helgrenze only listens to TRUE METAL
...and so pop is his natural enemy. Even though metal is a type of pop music.
Meh.. I listen to ALL kinds of music. Though for the record.... I have been closely linked to Punk more than Metal.. and the natural enemy of Punk is Disco.
It's not bitter to comment on how one perceives the pop product called "Bieber".
It will only be a matter of time before he ends up a drug addled wreck, cursing his management for lining their pockets whilst fleecing him at the same time. He will be a nobody within 5 years, just another faceless pop star whose light has faded. Yeah, they come and go, and always the hate will follow. It's this hate that will eventually drive him over the edge.
Either that or he will 'Come Out' and his life will be complete....
I always find it amusing the pop, or really mainstream music in general, is somehow produced; while independent music is not. Do independent musicians simply pluck away at random, and occasionally get lucky to produce something worth listening to? And, if so, wouldn't that be less skillful?
More reasonably, why is the number of people that are involved in producing an image relevant to whether or not its good, or authentic?
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:He wouldn't be a millionaire without the help of a lot of suits whose primary objective is to line their own pockets
The kid has a modicum of ability and doubtless works hard, but it is all a hollow poppet.
The kid was making his own recordings and videos of his own songs for a good while PRIOR to any industry help and built up his own youtube following/fanbase. I have a feeling if he never made it big he would be stilldoing it on youtube himsef and haveing a blast.
He has talent, drive, and loves music. Now that he has blown up why shouldn't he enjoy it and go along foe the ride? Good for him.
How is this any different then say our own Albatross?
I mean, this is kind of why I wish the kid all the best. I'm not a fan, but I know first-hand how difficult it is to try and break into the industry, so good luck to him. This idea that people are just handed record deals and turned into stars willy-nilly is fething nonsense. It requires a LOT of hard work to even get your music HEARD by anyone at even a tiny record company.
Long story short: People shouldn't pretend to comment with authority on that which they have absolutely zero knowledge of. Even the most seemingly vacuous and talentless pop-star has to put in a gakload of hard work to make a career.
Albatross wrote:People shouldn't pretend to comment with authority on that which they have absolutely zero knowledge of. Even the most seemingly vacuous and talentless pop-star has to put in a gakload of hard work to make a career.
QFT.
The kid is a decent singer. Okay he is driven to the point of inhumanity, but that's what it takes. He is gonna be a pretty odd human being but that is the cost of talent, look at MJ for chrissakes.
I have only one thing to say. That is I hate Justin Bieber with god awful passion. But as anyone watched the Slipknot and Bieber mix up. Funny as hell!
I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
And I'm not one of those unthinking "dur dur I hate pop" kids, I have every Lady Gaga CD. None of them I paid money for, but still.
I hate his image, I hate his music, and I hate his stupid shiteating grin every time he goes on an interview and talks about how he became famous over yet another 240p Youtube video.
I've heard that he was a little dickweed on the set of CSI and seeing him get 'shot' was the funniest thing I've ever seen, no joke.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
AustonT wrote:
I think you are allowed to saw shes hot and you'd bang her once she was of age. Least that's what I said about the olsen twins. Who are also filthy rich and probably more talented (business women) than the mop.
Meh, the Olsen Twins are so rakishly thin that they have a serious lack of curves. There bodies have more in common with a prepubescent boy than an actual girl's imo.
Isnt there something inherently wrong in looking for curves on Olsen twins during the time they were active in the media.
I just find women look more attractive when they have some curvature.
Unlike the Olsen twins (during their media spotlight time) the lady above is not underage.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
Goh gak, forgot about Queen
Let's just say I can't stand Bieber's voice because I'm musically wetwawded.
AustonT wrote:
I think you are allowed to saw shes hot and you'd bang her once she was of age. Least that's what I said about the olsen twins. Who are also filthy rich and probably more talented (business women) than the mop.
Meh, the Olsen Twins are so rakishly thin that they have a serious lack of curves. There bodies have more in common with a prepubescent boy than an actual girl's imo.
Isnt there something inherently wrong in looking for curves on Olsen twins during the time they were active in the media.
I just find women look more attractive when they have some curvature.
Unlike the Olsen twins (during their media spotlight time) the lady above is not underage.
Weren't they still in the media spotlight even when they were of age of consent, due to drug addictions. The media just loves hearing about drug addicted stars for some reason.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Albatross, having a sad music collection!?! I think you have created the greatest offense of the decade.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Do you know what 'an auto-tune' is? Explain what it is without using google and provide an example of a program used to correct pitching issues in recorded music, and we can talk. I'm simply not interested in discussing this issue with people who are just parroting the same old tired half-understood talking points. No offense meant, bro.
Also, you are absolutely correct - my record collection is definitely the poorer for not featuring the outstanding work of Josh Groban.
*chuckle*
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Monster Rain wrote:Yeah, Albatross, what the hell do you know about music anyway?
I only own three cds and they're all by Bruce Springsteen.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. (Directed at the one Named Self Destruct) Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Do you know what 'an auto-tune' is? Explain what it is without using google and provide an example of a program used to correct pitching issues in recorded music, and we can talk. I'm simply not interested in discussing this issue with people who are just parroting the same old tired half-understood talking points. No offense meant, bro.
Also, you are absolutely correct - my record collection is definitely the poorer for not featuring the outstanding work of Josh Groban.
*chuckle*
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Mate wasn't talking to you.
Talking about the other mate that missed out.
was directing it at the original poster above the reply Mr. Self Destruct O.o
Autotune is when you use a microphone that corrects the sound coming from someones mouth usually to prevent them from getting squeaky. I am currently Studying Music Theory and I am in a band and a few choirs. I am also in honors Choir. Yes there is such a thing...
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. (Directed at the one Named Self Destruct) Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Do you know what 'an auto-tune' is? Explain what it is without using google and provide an example of a program used to correct pitching issues in recorded music, and we can talk. I'm simply not interested in discussing this issue with people who are just parroting the same old tired half-understood talking points. No offense meant, bro.
Also, you are absolutely correct - my record collection is definitely the poorer for not featuring the outstanding work of Josh Groban.
*chuckle*
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Mate wasn't talking to you.
Talking about the other mate that missed out.
was directing it at the original poster above the reply Mr. Self Destruct O.o
Autotune is when you use a microphone that corrects the sound coming from someones mouth usually to prevent them from getting squeaky. I am currently Studying Music Theory and I am in a band and a few choirs. I am also in honors Choir. Yes there is such a thing...
Why would you quote someone you weren't responding to then?
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. (Directed at the one Named Self Destruct) Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Do you know what 'an auto-tune' is? Explain what it is without using google and provide an example of a program used to correct pitching issues in recorded music, and we can talk. I'm simply not interested in discussing this issue with people who are just parroting the same old tired half-understood talking points. No offense meant, bro.
Also, you are absolutely correct - my record collection is definitely the poorer for not featuring the outstanding work of Josh Groban.
*chuckle*
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Mate wasn't talking to you.
Talking about the other mate that missed out.
was directing it at the original poster above the reply Mr. Self Destruct O.o
Autotune is when you use a microphone that corrects the sound coming from someones mouth usually to prevent them from getting squeaky. I am currently Studying Music Theory and I am in a band and a few choirs. I am also in honors Choir. Yes there is such a thing...
Why would you quote someone you weren't responding to then?
was suppose to be the exalt button plus it was on my ipod that i responded.
Autotune is when you use a microphone that corrects the sound coming from someones mouth usually to prevent them from getting squeaky.
No such microphone exists. It's a program similar to a vocoder, but it's use in the live performance setting is nowhere near as widespread as is assumed. It's too audible, for one thing. It's actually far more common in recorded music than most assume, due to the amount of digital sounds used these days. They're all perfectly in tune. A human voice never is, even if the performer has perfect pitch. You do the math.
Hey come on now, I'm not coming in here saying I'm some sort of all-knowing sage-like Music Mod, or anything. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and and I have no interest in being mean to Asherian to make myself look clever. That's not my bag. It's just that with popular music, like so many subjects, it's important to challenge the received wisdom. That's how we learn.
Mr. Self Destruct wrote:I can't stand the sound of a male voice over a tenor, which is mostly why Maroon 5 makes me want to vomit.
...along with Queen, Led Zeppelin, Little Richard,Jeff Buckley, Radiohead, The Who, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Soundgarden, Roy Orbison, Smokey Robinson, U2, Billy Joel, Mars Volta/At the Drive-in, Elton John, The Beach Boys, Muse and The fething Beatles?
Dude, what does your record collection look like? That was just a handful - the vast majority of male pop/rock singers are tenors or above. I can't help but feel that you're missing out somewhat...
can't Forget Coldplay, Josh Groban and a ton of others. (Directed at the one Named Self Destruct) Your record collection must be sad mate Also Bieber has an auto tune. so meh.
Do you know what 'an auto-tune' is? Explain what it is without using google and provide an example of a program used to correct pitching issues in recorded music, and we can talk. I'm simply not interested in discussing this issue with people who are just parroting the same old tired half-understood talking points. No offense meant, bro.
Also, you are absolutely correct - my record collection is definitely the poorer for not featuring the outstanding work of Josh Groban.
*chuckle*
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Mate wasn't talking to you.
Talking about the other mate that missed out.
was directing it at the original poster above the reply Mr. Self Destruct O.o
Autotune is when you use a microphone that corrects the sound coming from someones mouth usually to prevent them from getting squeaky. I am currently Studying Music Theory and I am in a band and a few choirs. I am also in honors Choir. Yes there is such a thing...
Why would you quote someone you weren't responding to then?
was suppose to be the exalt button plus it was on my ipod that i responded.
Albatross wrote:Hey come on now, I'm not coming in here saying I'm some sort of all-knowing sage-like Music Mod, or anything. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and and I have no interest in being mean to Asherian to make myself look clever. That's not my bag. It's just that with popular music, like so many subjects, it's important to challenge the received wisdom. That's how we learn.
It's all love, yo.
Tis very much love.
Ahh then my Bass Guitarists has been going bonkers over nothing. What a Gakker.
corpsesarefun wrote:But alby... he does music theory at high school, surely he knows more than you?
Ha! Good one. I do music theory but its more of the lines of understanding music to why the Artist wrote the songs, but I didn't want to do it. So I quit 3 months ago.
corpsesarefun wrote:It was then Corpses realised the true meaning of pop music, and so in Dakka they say - that Corpses small heart grew three sizes that day.
Yeah, on reflection that was pretty sage-like. What can I say? I'm a deep cat.
dogma wrote:I always find it amusing the pop, or really mainstream music in general, is somehow produced; while independent music is not. Do independent musicians simply pluck away at random, and occasionally get lucky to produce something worth listening to? And, if so, wouldn't that be less skillful?
More reasonably, why is the number of people that are involved in producing an image relevant to whether or not its good, or authentic?
The difference is in the word, friends..... "Produced" is not "Product" though the two are related....
For an interesting illustration of these concepts I present this video from Canadian band 'Killer Dwarfs'.
Spoiler:
Simple explaination is: they sign a recording contract and become "product", that is they are made to look and perform the way the record company wants them to be.
No, not "monetised"
More like packaged, formulated, and mass produced... Kind of like the the burgers at a fast food franchise; Every one is exactly like every other one from that marquee, no matter where you buy them.
They seem tasteless when compared to a burger from a single store restaurant.
They are still both "Burgers" but one has more flavor and appeal.
Consider: Nirvanna is considered great because they had a unique raw style that was then copied and watered down by other bands trying to be like them, either of their own accord or by record company "recommendations".
Or like half the "hair metal" bands from the 80s, some got it right but most were just signed to be like (that) band. They were packaged to have (that) look, their songs were written to have (that) sound, they even had a formula for how an album was supposed to be laid out because (that) band had success with it.
Bieber is just this decades Donny Osmond, who was a previous generations version of Frank Sinatra. Go ahead and compare the early careers of those two to Biebs.... Same kind of sappy "love songs", same kind of marketing to the "young Ladies" (though they are marketed to a younger audience each succession), even similar uses of fashion and hair style to appeal to said market.
I'm not saying it is a bad thing, just Bieber comes off as even more "processed" than his predessors.... even the "boy bands" from the 80s and 90s.
You guys have to realize that its no jealousy thats driving the hate as many people liked Michael Jackson from the time he was a KID in in the Jackson 5 up until his death and he was rich as well from the start
Justin Bieber is just crap and has rather conservative ideals for a kid of his age raised in a highly liberal environment
helgrenze wrote:No, not "monetised"
More like packaged, formulated, and mass produced... Kind of like the the burgers at a fast food franchise; Every one is exactly like every other one from that marquee, no matter where you buy them.
They seem tasteless when compared to a burger from a single store restaurant.
They are still both "Burgers" but one has more flavor and appeal.
Consider: Nirvanna is considered great because they had a unique raw style that was then copied and watered down by other bands trying to be like them, either of their own accord or by record company "recommendations".
That would the same Nirvana who were plucked from the Seattle indie scene and signed to a major label, made to record a heavily-produced pop-rock album and placed on heavy rotation by MTV, yes? Would that also be the same Nirvana that bore more than a passing similarity to other Seattle indie bands such as Tad, Mudhoney, Soundgarden and the Melvins, before Geffen bought them and the tiny indie label they were signed to?
Hmm. As romantic as the overnight success narrative is, there was a definite commercial strategy behind Nirvana's ascent to the pop firmament. There's also plenty of evidence that Cobain was all for it. He wasn't as much of a reluctant star as is made out, certainly not at the outset. But that's OK - as consumers of pop, we're supposed to believe in phoney 'authenticity'. Every act that signs to any label is 'packaged, formulated and mass-produced' to some degree.
helgrenze wrote:
Simple explaination is: they sign a recording contract and become "product", that is they are made to look and perform the way the record company wants them to be.
So, essentially, you missed my point. Any band is a product of at least its members, and I'm not sure why involving record companies somehow makes the band more of a product than it already was.
Its almost as if you believe that people don't create, or produce, their own image, personas, music etc.
Justin Bieber is just crap and has rather conservative ideals for a kid of his age raised in a highly liberal environment
What's wrong with conservatives, I mean I consider myself Liberal but there have been some well known conservatives that did some great things like Winston Churchill.
The thing that puzzles me about Justin Bieber is that I've heard one of his songs, maybe three or four times. It wasn't any good but that's not the point.
Britney Spears used to be the big thing. I could not escape hearing a song of hers every single day of my life for like five years. It'd be on the radio at work, it'd be on the car on the way home (least it would be for 10 seconds before I changed the station), and if I watched music videos it wouldn't be ten minutes before one of her videos appeared (that wasn't so bad). Without ever trying to listen to one of her songs (alright maybe I channel surfed to find some of the videos once or twice...) I'm pretty sure I know the words to about a dozen of her songs.
Same for every big pop act, going back to when I first started paying attention to music. Some of them I kind of liked, some of them were completely horrible, but either way I heard a crapload of their music. There's some song on the radio right now about a girl 'dirty dancing in the moonlight'. I don't even know who the feth sings that and I cannot escape it, and will likely hear it another five times today. Before the week is up I think I will probably know every word to that deeply stupid song, and she's not even famous enough for me to know who she is.
But I've only ever heard one Justin Bieber song. He's this massive tween idol, loved by 13 year old girls and hated by 15 year old boys, but he seems to have achieved this without actually getting played on the radio, or getting his music videos into rotation.
sebster wrote:The thing that puzzles me about Justin Bieber is that I've heard one of his songs, maybe three or four times. It wasn't any good but that's not the point.
Britney Spears used to be the big thing. I could not escape hearing a song of hers every single day of my life for like five years. It'd be on the radio at work, it'd be on the car on the way home (least it would be for 10 seconds before I changed the station), and if I watched music videos it wouldn't be ten minutes before one of her videos appeared (that wasn't so bad). Without ever trying to listen to one of her songs (alright maybe I channel surfed to find some of the videos once or twice...) I'm pretty sure I know the words to about a dozen of her songs.
Same for every big pop act, going back to when I first started paying attention to music. Some of them I kind of liked, some of them were completely horrible, but either way I heard a crapload of their music. There's some song on the radio right now about a girl 'dirty dancing in the moonlight'. I don't even know who the feth sings that and I cannot escape it, and will likely hear it another five times today. Before the week is up I think I will probably know every word to that deeply stupid song, and she's not even famous enough for me to know who she is.
But I've only ever heard one Justin Bieber song. He's this massive tween idol, loved by 13 year old girls and hated by 15 year old boys, but he seems to have achieved this without actually getting played on the radio, or getting his music videos into rotation.
It's a pretty weird thing.
Heh, He's the Sex Pistols of the tiny bopper world..
sebster wrote:
But I've only ever heard one Justin Bieber song. He's this massive tween idol, loved by 13 year old girls and hated by 15 year old boys, but he seems to have achieved this without actually getting played on the radio, or getting his music videos into rotation.
It's a pretty weird thing.
If I remember correctly, he first launched his career on Youtube and iTunes, with very little radio play.
Justin Bieber is just crap and has rather conservative ideals for a kid of his age raised in a highly liberal environment
What's wrong with conservatives, I mean I consider myself Liberal but there have been some well known conservatives that did some great things like Winston Churchill.
There are a lot good conservatives out there but Justin Bieber is one of those bad ones; He is against gay marriage and abortion
It's not that he's BAD*. Auto-tune makes sure that's practically impossible nowadays anyway. It's just that he's so impossibly SAFE. I feel like he should be dispensed in a small paper cup with a glass of water. He's the Ultramarines of the pop music world. I'm honestly surprised that there's a market for something that's not spewing sex, violence, and inequity all over the speakers, and I gotta give him credit for that, but by the same token, he's bland. Everything I just listened to seemed to either be about "holding hands with a girl and thinking safe thoughts" or "engaging in events with friends as a model member of youth society". There's no substance; no spark. And then the other part of me sees him and knows that the moment he stops being 'cute' is going to come along any moment, and he's going to get dropped hard. Remember what happened to Macaulay Culkin when he stopped being cute? No, I don't either. It's not gonna be pretty on the kid though. And you know, I don't think he's that different from Brittney Spears, Hanson, or whatever carbon copy of him shows up to replace him.
I guess what I'm just saying though is that overall, it's probably not the kind of thing I'd want my kids listening to. I'd be afraid it might be damaging for their imaginations. I mean, I grew up without the influence of pop music and I didn't turn out completely deranged. Certainly not serial killer deranged anyway.
* Totally not my thing. When I want to feel like an emotional little girl, I'll listen to something like Angels and Airwaves, thank you very much.
Monster Rain wrote:Never in my life did I think that people would cite his political views as a reason to dislike Bieber.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Ha!
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FITZZ wrote: Heh, He's the Sex Pistols of the tiny bopper world..
Heh, very true.
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dogma wrote:If I remember correctly, he first launched his career on Youtube and iTunes, with very little radio play.
I think he got noticed by Puff Daddy or someone like that from the stuff he put on youtube. I don't know how he managed to get heard by 10 year old girls though, if it was entirely internet or something else.
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daedalus wrote:It's not that he's BAD*. Auto-tune makes sure that's practically impossible nowadays anyway. It's just that he's so impossibly SAFE. I feel like he should be dispensed in a small paper cup with a glass of water. He's the Ultramarines of the pop music world. I'm honestly surprised that there's a market for something that's not spewing sex, violence, and inequity all over the speakers, and I gotta give him credit for that, but by the same token, he's bland. Everything I just listened to seemed to either be about "holding hands with a girl and thinking safe thoughts" or "engaging in events with friends as a model member of youth society". There's no substance; no spark.
He's there for girls who like to think about romance, but are afraid of sex. Being safe, and almost androgynous is a large part of the appeal. It's the same reason the same girls love Twilight.
Well, sort of. Apparently there's sex later in the Twilight series, and Twilight seems to have a number of fans that are much older. So maybe it doesn't explain Twilight at all. I guess what I'm saying is lets just all be grateful there's no Bieber Mums.
sebster wrote:
I think he got noticed by Puff Daddy or someone like that from the stuff he put on youtube. I don't know how he managed to get heard by 10 year old girls though, if it was entirely internet or something else.
Usher, by way of some agent. Really, its probably the best thing that could have happened to Bieber, because Usher has managed to parlay the same type of initial start into a very successful music career.
dogma wrote:Usher, by way of some agent. Really, its probably the best thing that could have happened to Bieber, because Usher has managed to parlay the same type of initial start into a very successful music career.
Ah yes, was too. And Usher does make sense, because really he's largely the same thing for late teens and early twenties (so more sex, but the music is about as bland).
That said, Usher has pretty impressive staying power. Dudes been around a long time now.
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