http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44943326/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/t/teen-girl-forced-wear-armor-fight-stepfather-wooden-sword/#.TqZKL5sg88Y

YELM, Wash. — A Thurston County couple is accused of beating their daughter and forcing her to fight them in a medieval-style duel.
Investigators arrested the 16-year-old girl's stepfather, Fremon Seay, and her mother, Julie Seay, this weekend.
According to police, the teen was forced her to dress in armor and fight Fremon Seay with a wooden sword for two hours. Police also said Seay punched and beat his stepdaughter with a tree branch prior to the duel. Investigators said she collapsed from exhaustion.
The couple told officers they punished the teen for going to a party without their permission.
Investigators learned the couple is part of a group of Renaissance enthusiasts, who recreate fights from the medieval era.
Officers said the parents told them it was their right to discipline their child however they see fit.
Police said Julie Seay witnessed the abuse. She is employed at a daycare in Yelm.
The teen reportedly has bruises all over her body, but is expected to recover. She and two other children who live at the home are temporarily staying with other family members.
The couple appeared at the Thurston County Courthouse Monday afternoon.

I mean, he gave her armor. Armor, for feth's sake.

...Um.... Wh-


HUH?!

WHY?!?

I don't even...

This is every warhammer players dream right? lol

Was the stick no thinker than his thumb?


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LunaHound wrote:This is every warhammer players dream right? lol

Beating up their daughters is every Warhammer players dream? Wat?

Makes regular people who like the Renaissance fairs and events like me look like psychos

And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Its like LARPing with their kids, happy parents lol

I guess they just gave her some flak armor or carapace armor at the most because it sounds like she failed her armor save pretty bad.

Now that i got that out of my system...wtf is wrong with those parents, i personally am against corporal punishment, but understand that some people favor it, but it is past the point of reasonable punishment if she is covered with bruises.

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Also unlike her I don't think you were forced against your will when you were sparring.

Ahtman wrote:Was the stick no thinker than his thumb?

Can't do much damage with that then, can we? Perhaps it should have been a rule of wrist?

LunaHound wrote:Its like LARPing with their kids, happy parents lol

Clearly she needed to cast lightning bolt more then.

I wish before my dad beat me he told me to go get some armor




WA is a very strange state, especially anywhere not called Seattle

All I can say is what the feth

Seriously what the feth

Geez this is what happens when i dont joke much on forums.

Also, the thickness of the stick doesnt mean much.

A stick width of a pinky can open flesh like a whip.

Lordhat wrote:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44943326/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/t/teen-girl-forced-wear-armor-fight-stepfather-wooden-sword/#.TqZKL5sg88Y

YELM, Wash. — A Thurston County couple is accused of beating their daughter and forcing her to fight them in a medieval-style duel.
Investigators arrested the 16-year-old girl's stepfather, Fremon Seay, and her mother, Julie Seay, this weekend.
According to police, the teen was forced her to dress in armor and fight Fremon Seay with a wooden sword for two hours. Police also said Seay punched and beat his stepdaughter with a tree branch prior to the duel. Investigators said she collapsed from exhaustion.
The couple told officers they punished the teen for going to a party without their permission.
Investigators learned the couple is part of a group of Renaissance enthusiasts, who recreate fights from the medieval era.
Officers said the parents told them it was their right to discipline their child however they see fit.
Police said Julie Seay witnessed the abuse. She is employed at a daycare in Yelm.
The teen reportedly has bruises all over her body, but is expected to recover. She and two other children who live at the home are temporarily staying with other family members.
The couple appeared at the Thurston County Courthouse Monday afternoon.

Wow, that is seriously fethed up I hope the parents get what they deserve through the justice system.

LunaHound wrote:Geez this is what happens when i dont joke much on forums.

While I am sure that it is possible to make a joke about this, just flat out saying Warhammer players like to beat their daughters isn't it.

LunaHound wrote:Also, the thickness of the stick doesnt mean much.

It does if you understand the reference. It is ok if you don't.

Wow i never said its warhammer players dream to beat their daughter.

I said warhammer players would love to LARP with their family

n0t_u understood

dogma wrote:

Ahtman wrote:Was the stick no thinker than his thumb?

Can't do much damage with that then, can we? Perhaps it should have been a rule of wrist?

Getcha a nice little club goin', eh Rosie?


But where's my cat?

Oh Boondock Saints. You're crazy.

Anyways. This story is kinda ridiculous. I have to wonder how long this has been going on or if it was the first time.

Reasonably sure this isn't "Renaissance fans" or LARPers, this sounds more like SCA levels of crazy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_creative_anachronism

That's the weirdest news story I've heard in a while. Well at least he didn't get the Greatsword out.

This could have been a really good punishment, if he had not actually hit her or bruised her.

"You went to a party we told you not to go to? Now you get to hang out with your parents for 2 hours and do what we want."

Leaving marks on your kid is bad and dumb parenting. Why do people think they can get away with it? People are going to see a bunch of bruises on a teenager and go "Bullying or Abuse, either way, I wanna call the cops!"

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Also unlike her I don't think you were forced against your will when you were sparring.

So? she went and disobeyed he parents and went to some sort of party. Bad girl, I think that the parents were justified, she was able to fight back anyhow.

I live in Nepal, so excuse me if I am a bit callous about kids getting switched. it happens a lot where I come from as well as in my american side of the family.

makes us better people. my grandfather had to cut his own birch rod to be whipped with if he acted up.

They gave her armor and she still came out with bruises, ones that would be above and beyond normal?

Are kids today made of wafers or something?

Also going against your primary caretakers wishes, such as going to a party, doesn't give you the right to avoid punishment. I would taken medieval dual over no games for a month ANYDAY.

I think the article said she was beaten, then given armour and forced to duel.

juraigamer wrote:
Also going against your primary caretakers wishes, such as going to a party, doesn't give you the right to avoid punishment.

Hey, that guy over there broke the law, that means I get to shoot his kneecaps off with a 12-gauge, right?

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

No matter how indefensible something is, on the internet someone will always show up to defend it. It's incredible.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

She wasn't just in a duel. She was punched and beaten with a tree branch, and after that forced to duel for two hours with a man we can reasonably assume was much, much bigger than her, likely leading to her being struck with a wooden sword many, many times.

This is a really, obviously bad thing.


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ineptus astartes wrote:So? she went and disobeyed he parents and went to some sort of party. Bad girl, I think that the parents were justified, she was able to fight back anyhow.

I live in Nepal, so excuse me if I am a bit callous about kids getting switched. it happens a lot where I come from as well as in my american side of the family.

makes us better people. my grandfather had to cut his own birch rod to be whipped with if he acted up.

It looks like you're keen to drag this thread into an argument about corporal punishment. Fine, I don't have strong opinions against it, in fact I think in the right household it can be useful.

But you really, really shouldn't pretend that's what happened here. Punching a girl, beating her with a stick, and then forcing her to duel with a grown man who was likely many times her size until she collapsed from exhaustion is not the same thing as a quick whack across the back of the leg with a wooden spoon. This is an incredibly obvious thing. So just accept that, accept that what happened in the story was outrageous, and either move on or refine your position and have your argument about corporal punishment.

But don't sit there pretending that what happened to the girl is anything like normal corporal punishment.

Look man, I'm not saying I would like to stand on the sidelines egging the guy on, but minus the tree branch and the punching it did not seem overly bad.

He lives in America (So I assume) where there are a bunch of laws against that thing, punching and beating with a tree branch is not a good thing, especially when the law says no.

Take it from me, I have been beaten a few times and got over it. sure I was mad as feth at my [not telling which parent] but I just pushed it aside and got back into my normal chipperness. in the country I live in we have no laws for child abuse and such, but an American citizen should know better, here its different.


I am just a bit disappointed that the girl could not hold her own, we take physical endurance very seriously here, it just seems to me that all these coddled kids nowadays in the States are made of styrofoam.


wait. quick whack across the leg with a wooden spoon? I am talking about making us cut our own whippy little suckers off the tees, shave them of bark then get flogged across the back.

Somebody get Mattyrm in here!

Yes, that useless 16 year old girl unable to fight her stepfather on even ground.

"minus the tree branch and the punching it did not seem overly bad"

seems a bit of a turnaround from

"I think the parents were justified" and "this is bad....how?"

So what you are saying that the corporal punishment you received was pointless but are still in favour of it?

inept indeed.

I was smacked as a kid. Only when I did something really awful. But we are talking more than 25 years ago, rules have since changed.

And I would like to clarify that I was never beaten with a stick and made to go toe to toe with my pops in medieval armour...that is, well, extreme to say the least. I really believe that we might have less annoying little brats hanging around provincial town centres if thier parents A: Cared about how they are bought up and B: Are allowed to give the little gaks a thump around the ear when they get out of line.

Wait, he PUNCHED her? Even through armor, just... WHAT.

Feth him. Throw his abusive ass in jail, the fething trash.

I believe in corporal punishment sure, but what the feth kind of worthless piece of excrement parent PUNCHES THEIR CHILD? Beats them until they're unconscious? He brings shame to parents everywhere with his gakfether actions.

Punches? where did it say that?

I dont agree with that. a bit of whapping with a stick and a slap or two is fine, but I did not read 'he punched her'

ineptus astartes wrote:Punches? where did it say that?

I dont agree with that. a bit of whapping with a stick and a slap or two is fine, but I did not read 'he punched her'

It says it both in the quoted text in the OP and in the Article (well it would, the quoted text is from it). A brief reading of either would be ideal before posting, to be fair.

Police also said Seay punched and beat his stepdaughter with a tree branch prior to the duel. Investigators said she collapsed from exhaustion.

He punched her and beat her with a tree branch until she collapsed from exhaustion.

BEFORE the duel. That is, she probably wasn't wearing armor.

Child abuse is wrong.

I approve of discipline for unruly children, but child abuse and discipline have very distinct differences, but some parents are unable to or cannot grasp the two as separate entities.

Also, what is the prior history of the parental relationship with the teenage? Has this happened before or in other extreme instances?

Considering her body is "covered in bruises", I owuld guess that the couple-- it wasn't just the father, apparently-- have been assaulting her for some time now. That or this beating was particularly fierce...

sebster wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

No matter how indefensible something is, on the internet someone will always show up to defend it. It's incredible.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

She wasn't just in a duel. She was punched and beaten with a tree branch, and after that forced to duel for two hours with a man we can reasonably assume was much, much bigger than her, likely leading to her being struck with a wooden sword many, many times.

This is a really, obviously bad thing.


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ineptus astartes wrote:So? she went and disobeyed he parents and went to some sort of party. Bad girl, I think that the parents were justified, she was able to fight back anyhow.

I live in Nepal, so excuse me if I am a bit callous about kids getting switched. it happens a lot where I come from as well as in my american side of the family.

makes us better people. my grandfather had to cut his own birch rod to be whipped with if he acted up.

It looks like you're keen to drag this thread into an argument about corporal punishment. Fine, I don't have strong opinions against it, in fact I think in the right household it can be useful.

But you really, really shouldn't pretend that's what happened here. Punching a girl, beating her with a stick, and then forcing her to duel with a grown man who was likely many times her size until she collapsed from exhaustion is not the same thing as a quick whack across the back of the leg with a wooden spoon. This is an incredibly obvious thing. So just accept that, accept that what happened in the story was outrageous, and either move on or refine your position and have your argument about corporal punishment.

But don't sit there pretending that what happened to the girl is anything like normal corporal punishment.

She should have brought a knife and shanked him when he was hitting her with his wooden doily in the duel. Never bring a stick to a knife fight.
Beating your child with a tree limb should automatically require that the local football team (or Rugby in your part of the woods) gets to use you as a dummy for practice.




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Melissia wrote:Considering her body is "covered in bruises", I owuld guess that the couple-- it wasn't just the father, apparently-- have been assaulting her for some time now. That or this beating was particularly fierce...

Potentially so. We don't know the details.
Still a definite candidate for "I know, lets tie him to a stand and let the 300lb linemen practice full speed tackles on him." if no footballers are about then:

*Hockey puck target
*Baseball target
*Girls' lacrosse team tagert (I particularly like this one).
*Tazer testing volunteer.

Anyone getting flashbacks to that girl who shot her dad with an arrow a few months ago?

I'd rather be punched than struck repeatedly with a piece of wood, and that's a fact. That said, neither is appropriate punishment for a kid who went somewhere they weren't supposed to, and neither is likely to have the desired effect of making your kid more able to make intelligent choices.

Yeah, kinda am. A pity she didn't do that to his guy, but he'll get what's coming to him regardless, hopefully.

Melissia wrote:Yeah, kinda am. A pity she didn't do that to his guy, but he'll get what's coming to him regardless, hopefully.

"We all got it comin kid."
-Jim Munny

WTH a duel? They obviously have no class.
For matters of honour those with class insist on a joust!
And i thought you wre supposed to slap someone with a glove to start a duel not beat the living bejesus out of them.

Huh. Well that's the weirdest case of abuse I've read about in awhile... Some kids would actually probably find that fun XD

ineptus astartes wrote:
I am just a bit disappointed that the girl could not hold her own, we take physical endurance very seriously here, it just seems to me that all these coddled kids nowadays in the States are made of styrofoam.

I'm really not sure if you're being serious here.

'Could not hold her own?' She's 16 years old and was beaten for 2 hours by her father while wearing 20 pounds of armor.

I doubt you would have fared any better.

The parents were out of control on this one. Bat gak crazy, even.

kronk wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:
I am just a bit disappointed that the girl could not hold her own, we take physical endurance very seriously here, it just seems to me that all these coddled kids nowadays in the States are made of styrofoam.

I'm really not sure if you're being serious here.

'Could not hold her own?' She's 16 years old and was beaten for 2 hours by her father while wearing 20 pounds of armor.

I doubt you would have fared any better.

The parents were out of control on this one. Bat gak crazy, even.

Plus the important fact is it sounds like she was beaten prior to the "match" as well. Hence kitchenware should have been employed.

Even if you ignore the how and the why, this girl was punished until she COLLAPSED.

That word alone shows that the punishment crossed the line, even if the type of punishment would have been appropriate.

Edit: not saying that I believe it was appropriate. Far from it.

She was beaten both with first and with a tree limb, then forced to put armor on and beaten some more until she was collapsed.

"Hold her own"? She lasted two HOURS of being beaten by her father over and over again. Even professional karate tournaments aren't that brutal.

To be fair, it does look like ineptus either didn't even read the OP's quote, or didn't realise how everyone would view his opinion before he posted it.

http://www.nospank.net/n-r47r.htm <- Whilst probably biased, this may shed some light on his view.

ineptus astartes wrote:Punches? where did it say that?

I dont agree with that. a bit of whapping with a stick and a slap or two is fine, but I did not read 'he punched her'

You should probably read something before commenting on it in such a way.

But either way, no matter how rough and tough your culture is, this crossed the line by a long shot.

Melissia wrote:

Police also said Seay punched and beat his stepdaughter with a tree branch prior to the duel. Investigators said she collapsed from exhaustion.

He punched her and beat her with a tree branch until she collapsed from exhaustion.

BEFORE the duel. That is, she probably wasn't wearing armor.

hmm, didn't see that.

well.

this is embarrassing.

Melissia wrote:
Even professional karate tournaments aren't that brutal.

not the way we do them here, we continue until one of us either gives, hits the ground sleeping or gets into overly-painful contact with the floor.

Karate is about countering your enemies moves and using inertial force as an incapacitator, what we do (it has no name) is just about getting you opponent completely winded, bruised and exhausted. nowhere is Off-Limits.

take into consideration that if you asked a kid here what would happen to him if he snuck out or something is being locked in the bathroom without food and beaten.


That said, punching and using a tree branch (depends on the type, if it was switch, not a real big issue, an actual branch would be bad) to beat your daughter is wrong, especially because she was forced. but the fact stands that this man could still do this, no one could stop him, what the point s is what happens afterwords, maybe he should have to go a few rounds with a kangaroo to get the point across.


now, to point out, I read the OP, I just did not see where it said 'punched.' reinspeciton revealed my mistake.)


and Dreadwinter, I m originally from america, so I can understand what you seem to be saying, but 90 precent of people in this country (Nepal) would say 'so what?' to this topic. My cousin (age 6) has been beaten with a broom (bundle of twigs and branches) and then ordered to go and slop out the buffalo pens for causing a mess, I had no adverse reaction to this, it is the norm for most of the world (IE: a world mainly not represented on Dakka.)

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Women have a lower pain threshold and a higher pain tolerance than men.

If they had skipped the beating and gone straight to the armor and sparring I could get on board with this being ok. Especially if he just kept her moving with a couple judicious whacks to well padded section. Kind of a waste of time really though, waste two hours of my time sparring or take her cellphone, laptop, and put her in tech timeout for a week. If she likes go party deleting her facebook would cut deeper than beating.
Silly SCA wierdos, don't you know technology is kids crack cocaine?

ineptus astartes wrote:not the way we do them here, we continue until one of us either gives, hits the ground sleeping or gets into overly-painful contact with the floor.

You are not punched and beaten with sticks ntgil you nearly collapse before you enter the match.

ineptus astartes wrote:take into consideration that if you asked a kid here what would happen to him if he snuck out or something is being locked in the bathroom without food and beaten.

Starving him as a punishment is something only horrible trash parents would do.


Yes, I know Nepal is a horrible country to grow up and be a kid full of gakky parents.

AustonT wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Women have a lower pain threshold and a higher pain tolerance than men.

If they had skipped the beating and gone straight to the armor and sparring I could get on board with this being ok. Especially if he just kept her moving with a couple judicious whacks to well padded section. Kind of a waste of time really though, waste two hours of my time sparring or take her cellphone, laptop, and put her in tech timeout for a week. If she likes go party deleting her facebook would cut deeper than beating.
Silly SCA wierdos, don't you know technology is kids crack cocaine?

No no. At 16 the youngins are dangerous. They might be able to take you out. My boy is like a rock, an immovable rock (I know. If we get within two feet of each other round 327 of 'who can make the other one move' will spontaneously erupt). Even the almost 13 year old daughter is nearly as tall as the Wife and has taken to starting their own version of push mom around.
Thats why you take away their cellphone.

So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

Necroshea wrote:So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

Maybe because he was punching her in the face until she put the armor on, or just beating her with the rod?

These folks were not members of the SCA. Their membership had lapsed some time ago. Although the SCA is all about recreating history, often by taking 1 1/4" wooden swords to each other, we only do it against other certified fighters.

This is a pure case of child abuse- the father unfortunately had armor and some understanding of combat that he probably picked up in the SCA.

This is a quote from the Society's governing rules, the Corpora-
"7. No person who has not attained his or her sixteenth (16th) birthday may be authorized in
armored combat or the marshaling of armored combat. No person who has not attained his or her fourteenth
(14th) birthday may be authorized for any form of Society combat-related activity."
www.sca.org/docs/pdf/govdocs.pdf

As the young lady being beaten was 16, we know that she had never have been authorized as a fighter, or allowed into the wooden sword combat by the SCA. She may have fought in the youth division, but they fight with foam padded swords so that their precious joints are not damaged while they are developing, and they only fight to touches like fencers. Only our heavy lists fights full contact in heavy armor.

tl,dr- This ain't SCA work- we're crazy, but we're responsibly crazy.

See, this is perfect:

The father goes to prison for a few years and becomes even more evil.

Meanwhile, the girl trains and trains while her father is locked up.

Father is released - epic rematch!

Melissia wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:not the way we do them here, we continue until one of us either gives, hits the ground sleeping or gets into overly-painful contact with the floor.

You are not punched and beaten with sticks ntgil you nearly collapse before you enter the match.

ineptus astartes wrote:take into consideration that if you asked a kid here what would happen to him if he snuck out or something is being locked in the bathroom without food and beaten.

Starving him as a punishment is something only horrible trash parents would do.


Yes, I know Nepal is a horrible country to grow up and be a kid full of gakky parents.

Yes folks, lets say rude things about other peoples countries' because they do what has been done for millennia!

They used to do this in America too you know. besides, we opened our borders to foreigners what? forty years ago? We were still using swords mostly.

How would o you like it if I started to talk trash about America, huh? not that I would mean it, I like it there, but-oh, wait, I am getting sucked int an argument, trolls love that.

And yes, you have been trolling. I was merely stating my opinion.

ineptus astartes wrote:They used to do this in America too you know. besides, we opened our borders to foreigners

I know it did, what's your point?

Oh wait there isn't one because I never said that America's history was clean, only that right now it's at least better than Nepal.

Intentioanlly permanently injuring and causing permanent mental damage to a child (the story posted earlier of a nepalese principle sending death threats to a student who the principle SENT IN A COMA comes to mind) makes you a bad parent/caretaker. Nationality is irrelevant.

Frazzled wrote:

Necroshea wrote:So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

Maybe because he was punching her in the face until she put the armor on, or just beating her with the rod?

Who knows. This story seems incomplete to me.

ineptus astartes wrote:Yes folks, lets say rude things about other peoples countries' because they do what has been done for millennia!

Because something has been done for a long time makes it right?

Nope, Chuck Testa.

Necroshea wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Necroshea wrote:So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

Maybe because he was punching her in the face until she put the armor on, or just beating her with the rod?

Who knows. This story seems incomplete to me.

Indeed.

Melissia wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:They used to do this in America too you know. besides, we opened our borders to foreigners

I know it did, what's your point?

Oh wait there isn't one because I never said that America's history was clean, only that right now it's at least better than Nepal.

Intentioanlly permanently injuring and causing permanent mental damage to a child (the story posted earlier of a nepalese principle sending death threats to a student who the principle SENT IN A COMA comes to mind) makes you a bad parent/caretaker. Nationality is irrelevant.

and? I know a kid who was forced to climb a power pole and got electrocuted. he was forced by his principe and is fine now. we live in a world that just stopped having feudal kingdoms and the ultimate rule of the King about 5 years ago.


a wise man once said: 'what does not kill us makes us strong' besides, I am not the one loosing it and flipping out on the internet.



Wy can't you just understand that people are not all like you. and never will be.


(Note, I am not intending to piss anybody off, but stick to my principles, if a mod dislikes this argument just tell me and I will stop.)

ineptus astartes wrote:I know a kid who was forced to climb a power pole and got electrocuted. he was forced by his principe and is fine now. we live in a world that just stopped having feudal kingdoms and the ultimate rule of the King about 5 years ago.

Yeah, that principle is a piece of trash who shouldn't be trusted with the lives of children.

Next you'll be saying a parent sexually assaulting their child just toughens them up.

ineptus astartes wrote:
and Dreadwinter, I m originally from america, so I can understand what you seem to be saying, but 90 precent of people in this country (Nepal) would say 'so what?' to this topic. My cousin (age 6) has been beaten with a broom (bundle of twigs and branches) and then ordered to go and slop out the buffalo pens for causing a mess, I had no adverse reaction to this, it is the norm for most of the world (IE: a world mainly not represented on Dakka.)

So, what you are telling me is that Nepal is a country that has not developed to the point of realizing that beating a child is bad?

Also, a broom? Really? That doesn't even compare to a tree branch and being punched. I probably would have laughed at that because the parent would have looked slowed doing it.

not really, the broom IS a tree branch.


Anyways, I wil withdraw from this thread as I do not wish to start a flame war and it seems a pair of users are too small-minded to see my point of view.

Frazzled wrote:
No no. At 16 the youngins are dangerous. They might be able to take you out. My boy is like a rock, an immovable rock (I know. If we get within two feet of each other round 327 of 'who can make the other one move' will spontaneously erupt). Even the almost 13 year old daughter is nearly as tall as the Wife and has taken to starting their own version of push mom around.
Thats why you take away their cellphone.

And my wife wonders why I told her our children need to fear and love us equally. She's 5'1 if she doesn't establish dominance early we are going to get overrun by the teens. That's why I'm getting her a great Dane as a preview *wink*.

ineptus astartes wrote:
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Yes folks, lets say rude things about other peoples countries' because they do what has been done for millennia!

They used to do this in America too you know. besides, we opened our borders to foreigners what? forty years ago? We were still using swords mostly.

How would o you like it if I started to talk trash about America, huh? not that I would mean it, I like it there, but-oh, wait, I am getting sucked int an argument, trolls love that.

And yes, you have been trolling. I was merely stating my opinion.

We were using swords mostly in 1971? Do you live in the Same United States I do?

ineptus astartes wrote:not really, the broom IS a tree branch.


Anyways, I wil withdraw from this thread as I do not wish to start a flame war and it seems a pair of users are too small-minded to see my point of view.

No, they see your view.

They just find it abhorrent. "Child abuse is a-ok" is abhorrent to most of us.

ineptus astartes wrote:not really, the broom IS a tree branch.


Anyways, I wil withdraw from this thread as I do not wish to start a flame war and it seems a pair of users are too small-minded to see my point of view.

I see your point of view. I think it is nonsense. Forcing a child to jump on power line, electrocute themselves half to death and probably drop down all the way to the ground without any supports is dangerous and frankly something only a psychopath would do.

Psychopaths shouldn't be trusted to be AROUND children, nevermind have the lives of children placed in their demented hands.

He said he's done with the conversation guys. Drop it.

Eh. I just hate it when people say "YOU JUST DON'T GET IT!" when in fact yes, I do get it, but I disagree.

Someone once told me that "hurt people hurt people."

That armor that they gave her wasn't to give her an equal shot.

It was to justify hitting her harder.

Still say they should have deleted her Facebook, she could have worn armor while they deleted her pics one by one if the were that attached to the idea.

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Also unlike her I don't think you were forced against your will when you were sparring.

And your cousins are probably roughly the same experience level and size as you, she was fighting someone more than twice her age, who is a renaissance enthusiast, and so probebly knows his way around a sword much better than her.

I seriously can't justify a certain poster's point of view, but won't comment further. What the hell.

This story is terrible regardless of further context.

Fething cosplayers. I swear.

Someone commented before but after reading that story of the archer lass who shot her dad makes me think...Is this a sign?

Shadowbrand wrote:Fething cosplayers. I swear.

Someone commented before but after reading that story of the archer lass who shot her dad makes me think...Is this a sign?

"I shot my daddy.
but I didn't roll no d20..."

Shadowbrand wrote:Fething cosplayers. I swear.

Someone commented before but after reading that story of the archer lass who shot her dad makes me think...Is this a sign?

That threateng to go medevil on someones ass carries more wieght?

I guess so. Lol

Shadowbrand wrote:Fething cosplayers. I swear.

Someone commented before but after reading that story of the archer lass who shot her dad makes me think...Is this a sign?

Dad failed 6+ ward save :x

Shoulda used lightsabres, then this thread woulda totally been different.

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Actually, I've heard women have a much higher pain threshold than men.




It's just something I've heard, though I feel it is rather supported by pushing a good twelve pounds of screaming, howling angry mass out of their Vagoo....

Feth them throw them in jail!

Give the kid 50,000 dollars and let her sell the knight armor.

Pfff, she should of learned how to defend her self better. Serves her right

Slarg232 wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Actually, I've heard women have a much higher pain threshold than men.




It's just something I've heard, though I feel it is rather supported by pushing a good twelve pounds of screaming, howling angry mass out of their Vagoo....

There's a difference between threshold and tolerance.

I hate people now - a - days...

What on earth could have compelled them to make her dress in armor, than beat her with a wooden sword....

A passion for anachronism and pater familia?

ineptus astartes wrote:Look man, I'm not saying I would like to stand on the sidelines egging the guy on, but minus the tree branch and the punching it did not seem overly bad.

"Oh, other than the child abuse the child abuse didn't seem that bad."

I am just a bit disappointed that the girl could not hold her own, we take physical endurance very seriously here, it just seems to me that all these coddled kids nowadays in the States are made of styrofoam.

After being beaten, she couldn't hold her own with a grown man, over the course of two hours. Oh, the shame of it.

You're being ridiculous.


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Necroshea wrote:So by choosing to go to that party without her parents consent, she set the plans in motion to get taken away from her parents.

She set in motion a reasonable course of punishment. What she suffered was miles beyond that. This is obvious.

Also, if it was any sort of armor, it takes a bit of time to put it on. If the parents waited until it was on to give her a thumping, why didn't she just...you know...not put it on? She's already show she's perfectly fine with disobeying her parents at other times.

...because there's a difference between disobeying your parents while you're away from the house, and disobeying your father while he's standing next to you, having just punched you and beaten you with a stick.


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ineptus astartes wrote:And yes, you have been trolling. I was merely stating my opinion.

Your opinion is that a man who punched and beat his daughter with a stick, then forced her to duel for two hours until she collapsed has some kind of defence. Your opinion is ridiculous.


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ineptus astartes wrote:Wy can't you just understand that people are not all like you. and never will be.

Assuming Nepal is completely okay with completely disproportionate acts of violence against minors... then I still have no idea what that has to do with an act of punishment carried out in the US.


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Necroshea wrote:He said he's done with the conversation guys. Drop it.

If he didn't want people pointing out his opinion was ridiculous, he shouldn't have offered up a ridiculous opinion. You don't get to pick and choose what other people are allowed to comment on.

Slarg232 wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Actually, I've heard women have a much higher pain threshold than men.




It's just something I've heard, though I feel it is rather supported by pushing a good twelve pounds of screaming, howling angry mass out of their Vagoo....

These studies suggest that women have a lower pain threshold than men. Also from my own experiment of play-fighting with an attractive girl that I was very fond of, I had to be careful around her due to

how sensitive she is to pain.

http://www.everydayhealth.com/pain-management/women-and-chronic-pain.aspx
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=proteins-may-be-key-to-pa
http://www.sfn.org/index.aspx?pagename=brainBriefings_Gender_and_Pain

Although when women become pregnant there bodies build up a number of hormones and chemicals to deal with the pain of childbirth so it's possible for them to have a higher pain threshold then men (but

only around childbirth).

The girl absolutely should have held her own. She has the 16 year old energy and recovery time, and i doubt very highly the guy could fight her for 2 hours straight. What are we talking here? like 10mins on, 5 off? More than enough time for the girl to get a good whack in on her old man.
If she would have just takin her sword pratice seriously perhaps we wouldnt be reading about the 16yo that couldnt hold her own, and we would be reading about the 16yo who accidently removed her dad's life with a wooden sword.

Think about the family you wrecked little girl. Does that mean nothing?

fire4effekt wrote:The girl absolutely should have held her own. She has the 16 year old energy and recovery time, and i doubt very highly the guy could fight her for 2 hours straight. What are we talking here? like 10mins on, 5 off? More than enough time for the girl to get a good whack in on her old man.
If she would have just takin her sword pratice seriously perhaps we wouldnt be reading about the 16yo that couldnt hold her own, and we would be reading about the 16yo who accidently removed her dad's life with a wooden sword.

Think about the family you wrecked little girl. Does that mean nothing?

Ahtman wrote:

fire4effekt wrote:The girl absolutely should have held her own. She has the 16 year old energy and recovery time, and i doubt very highly the guy could fight her for 2 hours straight. What are we talking here? like 10mins on, 5 off? More than enough time for the girl to get a good whack in on her old man.
If she would have just takin her sword pratice seriously perhaps we wouldnt be reading about the 16yo that couldnt hold her own, and we would be reading about the 16yo who accidently removed her dad's life with a wooden sword.

Think about the family you wrecked little girl. Does that mean nothing?

I'm pretty sure he's joking.

You guys are leaving out the best part

He later forced her to strip down to her underwear and watch religious TV programs

youbedead wrote:You guys are leaving out the best part

He later forced her to strip down to her underwear and watch religious TV programs

Cheesecat wrote:

youbedead wrote:You guys are leaving out the best part

He later forced her to strip down to her underwear and watch religious TV programs

Np i'm serious

What I don't understand is why armor teenagers not subjected to this branch of the disciplinary tree?

Looks like she didn't
*puts on glasses*
Make her armor save


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

DickBandit wrote:Looks like she didn't
*puts on glasses*
Make her armor save


YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

That's terrible!

I mean, what, a middle-aged father only has a BAB of 3.

She needs to work harder.

youbedead wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

youbedead wrote:You guys are leaving out the best part

He later forced her to strip down to her underwear and watch religious TV programs

Np i'm serious

Do you have any sources?

Cheesecat wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

youbedead wrote:You guys are leaving out the best part

He later forced her to strip down to her underwear and watch religious TV programs

Np i'm serious

Do you have any sources?

I've found this one so far I'm trying to find where i originally got it

http://news.yahoo.com/man-forces-daughter-fight-swords-medieval-garb-223308257.html

When his daughter collapsed after two hours of sword fighting, Seay and his wife, the girl's stepmother, forced her to strip to her underwear before she fell asleep on the couch, Elwin said.
The 16-year-old was made to sleep between the couple in their bed, Elwin said. He said no sexual contact is alleged.

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Found it

And then after that, Seay forced his daughter to strip down to her underwear and watch a sermon TV.

http://gizmodo.com/5851102/dill weed-dad-forced-his-daughter-to-put-on-armor-and-fight-him-in-a-sword-match

youbedead wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

youbedead wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

youbedead wrote:You guys are leaving out the best part

He later forced her to strip down to her underwear and watch religious TV programs

Np i'm serious

Do you have any sources?

I've found this one so far I'm trying to find where i originally got it

http://news.yahoo.com/man-forces-daughter-fight-swords-medieval-garb-223308257.html

When his daughter collapsed after two hours of sword fighting, Seay and his wife, the girl's stepmother, forced her to strip to her underwear before she fell asleep on the couch, Elwin said.
The 16-year-old was made to sleep between the couple in their bed, Elwin said. He said no sexual contact is alleged.

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Found it

And then after that, Seay forced his daughter to strip down to her underwear and watch a sermon TV.

http://gizmodo.com/5851102/dill weed-dad-forced-his-daughter-to-put-on-armor-and-fight-him-in-a-sword-match

What the feth is wrong with these parents, oh well I'm sure a certain someone is going to try and defend this messed up behavior.

Now I'm waiting for someone to come in and say that in Kazakhstan it's common place for disobedient children to be subjected to be forced to watch religious programming in their underwear in the rain, so they don't know what all the fuss is about.

sebster wrote:Now I'm waiting for someone to come in and say that in Kazakhstan it's common place for disobedient children to be subjected to be forced to watch religious programming in their underwear in the rain, so they don't know what all the fuss is about.

Well if you're going to post it FOR me, then what's the point?

malfred wrote:

sebster wrote:Now I'm waiting for someone to come in and say that in Kazakhstan it's common place for disobedient children to be subjected to be forced to watch religious programming in their underwear in the rain, so they don't know what all the fuss is about.

Well if you're going to post it FOR me, then what's the point?

That was pure genius Malfred and Sebster, nice one.

I didn't really disobey my parents when I was 16, so maybe I missed out on an important part of life.


The part where you get your ass kicked for about 2-3 hours(depending on if you include the punching and branch and how long that lasted), then force to watch TV sermons in your underwear.


TBH, I missed out on most of High School's social aspect thanks to WoW. Reading this article makes me actually legitimately thank WoW for all I missed in High School for the first time. No Parties(except for Dungeons)= No beatdowns from crazed parent.


Now I could probably understand "What, you disobeyed me? K. 2 minute sparring match, Wooden Swords, we both get armor. Come at me Bro" But only assuming they were both trained, the father made sure that the kid was not injured and the only reason the sparring match was used is to show the child who is in charge.

Beating said child senseless teaches only one thing, Parent is unfit.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:I didn't really disobey my parents when I was 16, so maybe I missed out on an important part of life.


The part where you get your ass kicked for about 2-3 hours(depending on if you include the punching and branch and how long that lasted), then force to watch TV sermons in your underwear.


TBH, I missed out on most of High School's social aspect thanks to WoW. Reading this article makes me actually legitimately thank WoW for all I missed in High School for the first time. No Parties(except for Dungeons)= No beatdowns from crazed parent.


Now I could probably understand "What, you disobeyed me? K. 2 minute sparring match, Wooden Swords, we both get armor. Come at me Bro" But only assuming they were both trained, the father made sure that the kid was not injured and the only reason the sparring match was used is to show the child who is in charge.

Beating said child senseless teaches only one thing, Parent is unfit.

I do the "Come at me bro" to my younger brother from time to time when he starts acting stupid. I got the belt, he got nothing. fething bs.

Maybe she should have stayed in the kitchen


... someone had to say it XD

malfred wrote:Well if you're going to post it FOR me, then what's the point?

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Iur_tae_mont wrote:Now I could probably understand "What, you disobeyed me? K. 2 minute sparring match, Wooden Swords, we both get armor. Come at me Bro" But only assuming they were both trained, the father made sure that the kid was not injured and the only reason the sparring match was used is to show the child who is in charge.

Of course the parent is in charge. They're the parent.

If the child had mastered fighting with a wooden sword and beat the parent, the parent would still be in charge... because they're the parent.

Parental authority doesn't come from being stronger.

sebster wrote:

Iur_tae_mont wrote:Now I could probably understand "What, you disobeyed me? K. 2 minute sparring match, Wooden Swords, we both get armor. Come at me Bro" But only assuming they were both trained, the father made sure that the kid was not injured and the only reason the sparring match was used is to show the child who is in charge.

Of course the parent is in charge. They're the parent.

If the child had mastered fighting with a wooden sword and beat the parent, the parent would still be in charge... because they're the parent.

Parental authority doesn't come from being stronger.

I Understand that, you understand that, Most people on this Forum prolly understand that.

In general(at least where I live), Teenagers do not understand that and believe High School is the magical land where the parents are nothing more than Bank Accounts and you can do whatever you want. Something as definitive as "I'm bigger and stronger, so I"m in charge" would, at least with teenagers where I live, prolly work better than "I'm in charge because I'm the parent."

Cutting them off from money would be a much better way to draw the Authority Line, but if you have to go the "Bigger= In charge" route, my suggestion is better than what the step dad did.

uh hun....

Iur_tae_mont wrote:I Understand that, you understand that, Most people on this Forum prolly understand that.

In general(at least where I live), Teenagers do not understand that and believe High School is the magical land where the parents are nothing more than Bank Accounts and you can do whatever you want. Something as definitive as "I'm bigger and stronger, so I"m in charge" would, at least with teenagers where I live, prolly work better than "I'm in charge because I'm the parent."

Cutting them off from money would be a much better way to draw the Authority Line, but if you have to go the "Bigger= In charge" route, my suggestion is better than what the step dad did.

True, kids will try and challenge authority when they reach highschool. But ultimately, I'm not sure authority comes from any kind of blunt force, whether it's cutting off the money or defeating them in solo combat. First and foremost the kids basically have to respect you and understand you have their best interests at heart. If you don't have that anything else you try is going to work for very little time, or have unintended consequences.

bombboy1252 wrote:I hate people now - a - days...

What on earth could have compelled them to make her dress in armor, than beat her with a wooden sword....

It's worse than that.

They beat her and and then put her in the armor and beat her some more. And then forced her to strip mostly naked and watch some religious nutjob on TV spouting fire and brimstone.

Slarg232 wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:

ineptus astartes wrote:And this is bad...how?

where I live, if a kid acts up he gets the broom or the belt.

While beating with a tree branch is a bit over the top, a duel is letting her off light.

I mean, yes armor is heavy but I have sparred with my cousins for hours and hours straight.

Women have a lower pain threshold than men and usually have less muscle mass as well. That being said I don't think anyone deserves to be hit unless they've been very naughty.

Actually, I've heard women have a much higher pain threshold than men.




It's just something I've heard, though I feel it is rather supported by pushing a good twelve pounds of screaming, howling angry mass out of their Vagoo....

Exactly. If men had to give birth the species would be instantly extinct.

Either that or we'd see a LOT more development in artificial wombs.

sebster wrote:Now I'm waiting for someone to come in and say that in Kazakhstan it's common place for disobedient children to be subjected to be forced to watch religious programming in their underwear in the rain, so they don't know what all the fuss is about.

In Soviet Russia religious programming watches you in it's underwear!

YELM, Wash. — A Thurston County couple is accused of beating their daughter and forcing her to fight them in a medieval-style duel.
Investigators arrested the 16-year-old girl's stepfather, Fremon Seay, and her mother, Julie Seay, this weekend.
According to police, the teen was forced her to dress in armor and fight Fremon Seay with a wooden sword for two hours

There can be only one.

Iur_tae_mont wrote:
TBH, I missed out on most of High School's social aspect thanks to WoW. Reading this article makes me actually legitimately thank WoW for all I missed in High School for the first time. No Parties(except for Dungeons)= No beatdowns from crazed parent.

WHY!

Actually, I've heard women have a much higher pain threshold than men.

That is a bit of a misconception. They do, but only during childbirth.

Yeah, but that's a pretty good time to have it.

Of course, pain tolerance is also partially psychological, and someone could write a book solely about the societal and parental impact on a person's pain tolerance. It's not that simple one way or the other.

I mean, a street thug who brawls regularly is likely to have a higher tolerance than the average businessman.

Could they theoretically test their ideas by dressing 16yr old girls in period armor and have them engage in hour long bouts of sword play? You know, for science and stuff.