Dark Eldar - Includes about 25 Wyches. 10 Kabalite Warriors. 9 Reavers. 5 Scouges. 2 Raiders and a Venom.

Space Marines - Don't remember everything in it. There's a drop pod, dreadnought. meh. it's Mehreens. Make up of the set is better than last years.

Skaven - 40 Stormvermin. 40 Clanrats. 20 Plague monks. Bell. Warp lightning cannon. Rat Ogres.

1 other fantasy megaforce. High Elves?

Too many Wyches for me to care about the Dark Eldar Megaforce. And too many Reavers at that... Any chance Orks will get one?

Also, how much will these cost? Double the price of a battleforce? I remember a Marine and an Ork MFs for about 100€ on a discount online retailer...

Thanks for the heads up!

I thought they had stopped doing megaforces. When was the last one?

I remember someone screaming about how sure they are about GW stop making any bundle deals beside battle forces hmmm.... i seem to recall making a bet too... if i can only find it and collect myself a megaforce as present xD

Ouze wrote:I thought they had stopped doing megaforces. When was the last one?

They stopped doing them as regular box sets, but they still do them around the holidays sometimes.

Whats the prices?

Destrado wrote:Too many Wyches for me to care about the Dark Eldar Megaforce. And too many Reavers at that... Any chance Orks will get one?

Also, how much will these cost? Double the price of a battleforce? I remember a Marine and an Ork MFs for about 100€ on a discount online retailer...

Thanks for the heads up!

The Marine one last year was $250 (I think). The Orc (Fantasy) one was around that price.

The DE one priced out is 9 Reavers (~105), 10 Kabalite Warriors ($29), 5 Scourges ($25), 2 Raiders ($66), 1 Venom ($30), 25 Wyches (~$70) = ~$325 of stuff.

I'm going with $250(Spectacular deal) or $275(pretty good deal).


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Ouze wrote:I thought they had stopped doing megaforces. When was the last one?

Last Christmas there was a Marine one and a Fantasy Orc one.

They stopped doing Megaforces as a regular item. They still intend to do them as Christmas Splash items along with things like Strongpoint, Imperial Sector and the Fortified Manor.

Megapaint Set goes on sale on the 29th. Stores should be receiving them this week.

Curious ratio of Wyches to Warriors. I would've thought 20:20 would have been easier, even from just a sprue perspective.

I would've thought Hellions would be included as well (maybe in place of the second Raider, or rather than a full 9 Reavers).

Surprised there isnt going to be a TK/Ogre one

Cool though, they do save quite a bit usually

Oooh... might be a good way to start my second (DE) army. I like this rumor a lot!

I'm kinda surprised that they aren't making one for the Necrons? Seems like a no-brainer.

chaos0xomega wrote:I'm kinda surprised that they aren't making one for the Necrons? Seems like a no-brainer.

They want to sell lots of little boxes first... no discounts on new stuff; after all, they haven't made their mint yet

I'd like to see Ogres on the WHFB megaforces. Then again their sprues aren't exactly efficient in that they take up a whole lot of space for what they have on your regular bulls/ironguts/lead.

I am however vary interested in that skaven box, that's a lot of storm vermin and clanrats for that price (that's $276AUD for those 80 alone). Though I don't know why they tagged on the rat ogres rather than some night runners or even just a few sling upgrade sets for slaves. Something I don't know...useful

You've got enough armies as it is!

It's interesting that the usual stalwarts for the second Megaforce (Orks) have been replaced by DE. GW are really riding the Dark Kin wave.

Strange board hiccup causing double posts! That's unpossible!!!

The Dark Eldar megaforce intrigues me greatly.

Combined with the box of Dark Eldar Kabalite Warriors I bought at the launch...that'd be a kinda nice force I think.

Hrmh. Got to consider this.

Im not sure if thats alot of savings, the weird number contents were added to throw calculations off.
The DE one priced out is 9 Reavers (~105), 10 Kabalite Warriors ($29), 5 Scourges ($25), 2 Raiders ($66), 1 Venom ($30), 25 Wyches (~$70) = ~$325 of stuff.

$275 for Megaforce or for $10 more you get:

3 raiders $99
30 Kabalite warriors $87
30 wyches $87
9 Reaver Jet bikes $104.25............................. $377.25

Basically for $10 more, the original battle force would have netted you $52.25

In other words, to "trade" for the 1 Venom and 5 Scourges, you just lost $42.25 savings.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You've got enough armies as it is!

Says the man with the Macharius division

I just look at an ogre army and sigh at how they never release enough of any one unit to make a complete force. It's just a taste of everything but nothing solid and you'll probably end up leaving either the ironguts or leadbelchers out if you're running a bull deathstar or end up substituting them for mournfang cavalry. It's just sad really. The Lizardmen box however is perfect for a small force: skinks, saurus and templeguard. The cold ones are unnecessary but I'll never turn my nose up at free models.

I don't 'need' more marines.... but....


A Tyranid one would be nice.

Depending on what armies come out, I might pick one of these up.

Specifically, a Vampire Count or Orc one (Newer Orc one, I hope)

Ehsteve wrote:Says the man with the Macharius division

It's not a Division, it's a Regiment, and only three of the tanks in it are Macharius'. The rest are all various types of Baneblade hull.

But stop changing the subject!

Ehsteve wrote:I just look at an ogre army and sigh at how they never release enough of any one unit to make a complete force. It's just a taste of everything but nothing solid and you'll probably end up leaving either the ironguts or leadbelchers out if you're running a bull deathstar or end up substituting them for mournfang cavalry. It's just sad really. The Lizardmen box however is perfect for a small force: skinks, saurus and templeguard. The cold ones are unnecessary but I'll never turn my nose up at free models.

Plus we've found other uses for Cold Ones.

When was the last one?

The last large bundle deals were the Orc Brigade and Empire Brigade two years ago as of this December.

1 kabalite warrior = $2.191
1 wytch = $2.191
1 raider = $24.88
1 reaver = $8.73

These are the discount worth of units inside a Battle Force. If we use that to factor the mega army then we get:

9 Reavers = $78.57
10 Kaba Warrior = $21.91
25 Wych = $54.75
2 Raiders = $49.76

Total so far = $205 Battleforce price worth.

Vemon = $30
Scourge = $25

Grand Total $260.

Not only are you not saving, you are paying $15 to get privilege of having a Venom and Scourge in this combo.


I think i just blue balled everyone's boner on this "discount, but yay i just saved you guys money" GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASP

Ugh.. Do not need any more Minis....

How did you find out about this? They're not on the GW website.

warpcrafter wrote:How did you find out about this? They're not on the GW website.

That's kind've a trend y'know? Everything except the big paint set has appeared here before it's appeared on the GW website.

At the GW in Glasgow there was an Ork Megaforce left over for quite awhile along with some Empire Forces, while I had no intrest in these sets I may be quite interested in the Dark Eldar Megaforce despite the fact that's a lot of Wyches.

What used to be my local GW had a Tyranid Battleforce (from the 4th Ed Codex) sitting in their store for a few years. Got it for a discount, and my friend even bartered down the price!

H.B.M.C. wrote:What used to be my local GW had a Tyranid Battleforce (from the 4th Ed Codex) sitting in their store for a few years. Got it for a discount, and my friend even bartered down the price!

They never downgraded the price, I'm sure I saw someone buying it and that Chaos space marine Spearhead that I wanted but alas the price was to high.

Kind of wish they did a Chaos Marine one. I would most likely pick that up. Not really interested in doing another 40k Army.

Hi Folks, I was in my local store yesterday when they got the holiday guides and managed to snag one.
Mega forces are, Marines, Dark Eldar, Skaven and High Elves. All are retailing for $350 Australian.

So how much does $350 australian translate to? 15 quid?

Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Look at page 1 i did an analyze on the prices.

LunaHound wrote:1 kabalite warrior = $2.191
1 wytch = $2.191
1 raider = $24.88
1 reaver = $8.73

These are the discount worth of units inside a Battle Force. If we use that to factor the mega army then we get:

9 Reavers = $78.57
10 Kaba Warrior = $21.91
25 Wych = $54.75
2 Raiders = $49.76

Total so far = $205 Battleforce price worth.

Vemon = $30
Scourge = $25

Grand Total $260.

Not only are you not saving on the 2 , you are paying $15 to get privilege of having a Venom and Scourge in this combo.

I didnt think the sprues allowed for multiples of 5 wyches, there are 20 in the box.

They all have decent composition, if I where starting a new force, I'd probably pick one up.

lord_blackfang wrote:So how much does $350 australian translate to? 15 quid?

It's worth more than the US peso still...

350.00 AUD = 226.627 GBP
350.00 AUD = 362.408 USD

ok then... won't be needing the DE one, got enough stuff as it is however I have just started collecting skaven...and coincidently everything in the megaforce is exactly what I want to expand to 2000 points, that's ridiculously perfect for my plans (evil laughing commences) in $AUS the skaven megaforce saves you nearly $170, I am very very impressed by that, and from the warstore it would be at least $200 will definitely pick that up!

LunaHound wrote:Not only are you not saving, you are paying $15 to get privilege of having a Venom and Scourge in this combo.

So in other words...

Games Workshop: Doing it wrong ever since they went public! "Why give them a savings when we could charge them...more money?"

I was going to say something about the contents of the box probably not being right, but then I saw the pics...it does sound like an odd mix, you'd think the warriors would be the more logical "core" of a DE army than wyches. The only thing I can think of is that no one's buying wyches because they're terrible in-game, so they're trying to get rid of them by forcing them onto us via this "deal". And even though I need everything else in the box, I think I'd still rather buy everything individually online because I really don't want any more than the two boxes of wyches I already have, which are only being used for bits/conversions anyway. That and as Luna pointed out I'm almost 100% positive the "savings" for this particular megaforce aren't going to be worth the trouble anyway, as most GW box deals often aren't anymore.

As such, I dub them megafarces! At least until I see the US price and I get proven wrong, but really, if that box isn't $200 or less I won't really give a rat's ass.

Anyone know the price in "normal country dollars"? Not the exploitative aussie price.. Converting currency is sorta pointless

I like these but I will wait to see the prices before deciding. I'm painting Skaven right now so I'm not so fussed about that set but I like the High Elf set. I don't mind either 40k set but I'd be apprehensive because I'm not sure if 6th ed will change army choice the way WHFB 8th ed did. The Space Marine set looks a safe bet though. Ultimately these don't look like they are aimed at experienced players who know what they want and seem more like Christmas presents for parents to buy.

I bought the Ork 40k one a couple of years ago; still working my way throught the back log! It was £120 iirc, but I got it from Wayland for about £80. I remember working it out at the time and it was approximately a 40% discount over buying the models separately and about 30% compared to buying multiple battleforces (the Ork stuff was mostly boys, bikes and trukks)

Kirasu wrote:Anyone know the price in "normal country dollars"? Not the exploitative aussie price.. Converting currency is sorta pointless

Normal countries don't use dollars

Sidstyler wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Not only are you not saving, you are paying $15 to get privilege of having a Venom and Scourge in this combo.

So in other words...

Games Workshop: Doing it wrong ever since they went public! "Why give them a savings when we could charge them...more money?"

I was going to say something about the contents of the box probably not being right, but then I saw the pics...it does sound like an odd mix, you'd think the warriors would be the more logical "core" of a DE army than wyches. The only thing I can think of is that no one's buying wyches because they're terrible in-game, so they're trying to get rid of them by forcing them onto us via this "deal". And even though I need everything else in the box, I think I'd still rather buy everything individually online because I really don't want any more than the two boxes of wyches I already have, which are only being used for bits/conversions anyway. That and as Luna pointed out I'm almost 100% positive the "savings" for this particular megaforce aren't going to be worth the trouble anyway, as most GW box deals often aren't anymore.

As such, I dub them megafarces! At least until I see the US price and I get proven wrong, but really, if that box isn't $200 or less I won't really give a rat's ass.

Wait....first of you realize that under $200 is a bit rediculous? And do you actually play DE or 40K? Have you ever scene a DE list ? They are one of the best troops in the game hands down, something must be wrong here

Does anyone know the price for these in the UK?
The GW shopping cart for all the SM box is this:
[Space Marine Command Squad £20.50]
Space Marine Drop Pod £20.50
Space Marine Land Raider £41.00
Space Marine Land Speeder Storm £18.50
Space Marine Scouts £15.50
Space Marine Tactical Squad (2) £46.00
Space Marine Venerable Dreadnought £28.00
Total £190.00

So, for the whole lot (as taken from the picture), it's [£190].

---Edit, it's not the Command Squad, it is:
Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard £36.00
So the total is £205.50

Can't say I'm impressed by the skaven box. A single set of 2 rat ogres is pointless in any list that is enough points to field a bell. 40 stormvermin is a nice bell pusher, but otherwise doesn't seem much use. 20 Plague Monks is likewise too fragile to see use.

Basically, it's a batallion, bell, WLC (not sure why not two of these, honestly) and the 40 stormvermin.

Going off the listed Australian prices on GWOZ's site:
Dark Eldar megaforce, productwise, clocks in at 519 AUD in content. List price is 350 AUD---that's 169 AUD in 'savings'.
Space Marine megaforce, productwise, clocks in at 546 AUD in content. List price is 350 AUD--that's 196 AUD in 'savings'.
High Elf megaforce, productwise, clocks in at 585 AUD in content. Going off the list price, it's 235 in 'savings'.
Skaven megaforce, productwise, clocks in at 542 AUD for content. That's 192 in 'savings'.
Remember that when figuring out these kinds of things, you don't look at discounted prices or prices per model. You look at the retail prices of the individual boxes, and go from there.

Depending on how the prices translate and whether or not LGSes or eTailers can get product, we'll see these for cheaper via places like The Warstore or Maelstrom.

While they arent the best combinations ever, its nice to see GW giving players some cool toys like in the marines set, the venerable and a landy


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Not sure how reliable the converter I used is, but i just did a quick conversion for GBP and 350 AUD = 227 GBP. Now GW like to charge our oz cousins far too much and also with there being only 190 quids worth in there, I reckon a reasonable guess at price would be around £160. If it's around there, its not so bad, well not imo anyways. Won't be 150 cos then there wouldnt be a price rise!!!

lord_blackfang wrote:So how much does $350 australian translate to? 15 quid?

Each set is going for 130 quid or €175,--

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

Dude, really?

BrookM wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:So how much does $350 australian translate to? 15 quid?

Each set is going for 130 quid or €175,--

which right now, is about $210 I think. So that means $225 as a retail tag to be conservative.

Well I did a quick calculation. If you compaire prices US vs AUS, on average you can take the US price, divided by the AUS price, and you will get ~0.61. (I used 5 space marine sets as a baseline). So I figure based off a 350 AUS price, it should cost around 215$ US

EDIT - you guys beat me too it lol

Well if I added them all up right, the contents of the DE megaforce are about $340.75 individually at full retail.

My first thought is "Holy feth that's a lot of money for a couple of tanks and four boxes of infantry, is that really how much I spend on this garbage?"

But after that I started thinking that maybe I was wrong, maybe $250-275 isn't as bad as I originally thought. I still wish it was a more even split between wyches/warriors though, I don't get why there's so many wyches. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm too stupid to realize wyches are THE BEST TROOP IN 40K OMG.

BrookM wrote:

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

Dude, really?

Yeah I know, it's actually like $32.75. "lrn2maths" indeed!

Wait, the raider is $33? That might have fethed up all my calculations, hold on! Okay yeah it is $30.75. My bad.

I swear that's the first time that's ever happened, where I assumed a GW model was MORE expensive than it actually was.

BrookM wrote:

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

Dude, really?

dude. really.

Looking at GW US website right now.

Battleforce $95.

10 Kabalite $29.

10 Wyches $29

3 Reavers $34.75

Raider: $33.


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Sidstyler wrote:Well if I added them all up right, the contents of the DE megaforce are about $340.75 individually at full retail.

My first thought is "Holy feth that's a lot of money for a couple of tanks and four boxes of infantry, is that really how much I spend on this garbage?"

But after that I started thinking that maybe I was wrong, maybe $250-275 isn't as bad as I originally thought. I still wish it was a more even split between wyches/warriors though, I don't get why there's so many wyches. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm too stupid to realize wyches are THE BEST TROOP IN 40K OMG.

BrookM wrote:

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

Dude, really?

Yeah I know, it's actually like $32.75. "lrn2maths" indeed!

Wyches are a lot better than people give them credit for.

Regardless, of the exact number. You're getting a box of something in there for free. The numbers being thrown around in this thread about "paying for the priviledge" are terrible haer hyperbole at best, and downright falsehoods at worst with the goal to continue their hypocritical narratives.

midget_overlord wrote:
They all have decent composition, if I where starting a new force, I'd probably pick one up.

I can't speak for the fantasy sets, because I'm just not that knowledgable with that system. The 40k megaforces don't really have all that great of composition. They both look like they are all over the place to me.

I'd like to see the Space Marine Battle Company box re-released. I would get out the wallet for that deal. Even though I don't really have a mind to start a marine army right now, that box set had a cohesive feel to it. Or any of the old Apocalypse splash releases would be nice.

LunaHound wrote:Im not sure if thats alot of savings, the weird number contents were added to throw calculations off.
The DE one priced out is 9 Reavers (~105), 10 Kabalite Warriors ($29), 5 Scourges ($25), 2 Raiders ($66), 1 Venom ($30), 25 Wyches (~$70) = ~$325 of stuff.

$275 for Megaforce or for $10 more you get:

3 raiders $99
30 Kabalite warriors $87
30 wyches $87
9 Reaver Jet bikes $104.25............................. $377.25

Basically for $10 more, the original battle force would have netted you $52.25

In other words, to "trade" for the 1 Venom and 5 Scourges, you just lost $42.25 savings.

then buy the stuff from your favorite discounter?

Worglock wrote:

BrookM wrote:

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

Dude, really?

dude. really.

It had less to do with the math and more your general tone as an donkey-cave.

streamdragon wrote:
Basically, it's a batallion, bell, WLC (not sure why not two of these, honestly) and the 40 stormvermin.

Meh. Already bought 2 Battalions and 2 copies of the Starter to bulk my Skaven(plus a couple individual CR sets), already got a Bell, already got 1.5 WLCS(seriously, anyone got a metal WLC barrel spare?) the only thing I could use out of it would be the Stormvermin. Only have 25 of them so far.

augustus5 wrote:

midget_overlord wrote:
They all have decent composition, if I where starting a new force, I'd probably pick one up.

I can't speak for the fantasy sets, because I'm just not that knowledgable with that system. The 40k megaforces don't really have all that great of composition. They both look like they are all over the place to me.

I'd like to see the Space Marine Battle Company box re-released. I would get out the wallet for that deal. Even though I don't really have a mind to start a marine army right now, that box set had a cohesive feel to it. Or any of the old Apocalypse splash releases would be nice.

The Skaven one is essentially "Core in a Box" You've got a big unit of Stormvermin, a big unit of Clan Rats and a Bell to put one of them around. The other stuff is "useful peripherals" (Packmaster box aside).

The Dark Eldar one is better than people are giving it credit for, mostly because a lot of people don't know how to make Wyches work.

That's usually how these Megaforces are: "Core in a Box".

So the savings are about 30%, right? But will they be available through retailers (with further discounts) or are they GW online store exclusives?

lord_blackfang wrote:So the savings are about 30%, right? But will they be available through retailers (with further discounts) or are they GW online store exclusives?

I'd expect Warstore to be able to get a few, but it'll be mostly GW store Christmas Splash.

Edited by Manchu.

If there's a big saving discount on the Dark Eldar force and if there's a further saving from the indy stores (provided these aren't direct order only) then I'm going to consider both the skaven and especially the dark eldar.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:If there's a big saving discount on the Dark Eldar force and if there's a further saving from the indy stores (provided these aren't direct order only) then I'm going to consider both the skaven and especially the dark eldar.

If we could get an additional 20% off these, that would just be fantastic.

Unless it inclueds a limited edition uber character for something I'm not interested.

2 battleforces, 3 venoms and 2 ravagers is a better start than that boxed set IMHO

I quite like the look of that set but the price may just put me right off.

"Core in a box"? The only way to make the SM Megaforce less useful is to add a Thunderfire cannon.

One dread. One drop pod. One land raider (?!). One scout speeder. Command squad. Tac squad. Scout Squad. Dev squad.

Don't get me wrong, with the exception of the Scout speeder, all of these can be useful units. But not all together.

It's like when you buy a nice knife block that comes with a knife set. You get two knives that you'll really use a lot and the rest are surplus knives the company was trying to find a way to get rid of.

Sidstyler wrote:But after that I started thinking that maybe I was wrong, maybe $250-275 isn't as bad as I originally thought. I still wish it was a more even split between wyches/warriors though, I don't get why there's so many wyches. I dunno, maybe it's because I'm too stupid to realize wyches are THE BEST TROOP IN 40K OMG.

I'm right there with you. I would have loved to see 20 Warriors and 20 Wyches, with no Scourges. I bought all the Scourges I'll ever need when they came out. I wouldn't say Wyches are the best troop either, I can understand why some people don't like them. I think they're a great unit and have taken them in every game. But if we all took all the same of everything, 40k would be a boring game indeed.

As for the pricing of the megaforce, I'll likely pick one up even though I have no use for the Scourges. If it's $250, I'll buy it if I can get it through the Warstore. If they're cheaper (especially if they're still available through the Warstore!) then I'll be one happy camper. I just realized I'm probably getting the Warriors of Chaos battalion too. I'm going to have a metric gak load of models to build and paint.

That's okay, it's disgustingly cold in winter anyways, not like I'll have anything better to do.

Death By Monkeys wrote:One dread. One drop pod. One land raider (?!). One scout speeder. Command squad. Tac squad. Scout Squad. Dev squad.

The picture is really grainy, but it looks like two tac squads, not a tac squad and a dev squad.

kronk wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:One dread. One drop pod. One land raider (?!). One scout speeder. Command squad. Tac squad. Scout Squad. Dev squad.

The picture is really grainy, but it looks like two tac squads, not a tac squad and a dev squad.

Yeah. There's seemingly no heavy weapons beyond Missile Launchers in there, so 2x Tactical Squads is what I used when establishing the prices.

kronk wrote:

Death By Monkeys wrote:One dread. One drop pod. One land raider (?!). One scout speeder. Command squad. Tac squad. Scout Squad. Dev squad.

The picture is really grainy, but it looks like two tac squads, not a tac squad and a dev squad.

Yeah, looking closer, you're probably right. But still, it being a second tac squad does not make the box terribly more useful.

Death By Monkeys wrote:"Core in a box"? The only way to make the SM Megaforce less useful is to add a Thunderfire cannon.

One dread. One drop pod. One land raider (?!). One scout speeder. Command squad. Tac squad. Scout Squad. Dev squad.

Don't get me wrong, with the exception of the Scout speeder, all of these can be useful units. But not all together.

It's like when you buy a nice knife block that comes with a knife set. You get two knives that you'll really use a lot and the rest are surplus knives the company was trying to find a way to get rid of.

This is exactly what I thought too. I started putting together a BA army, and this set is pretty much useless to me. It's just too all over the place.

Marine box contents are: Two tactical squads, one command squad, one space marine commander, one scout kit, one Land Speeder Storm, drop pod, Venerable Dreadnought and Land Raider Redeemer. 35 models total.

Dark Eldar: Twenty wyches, ten warriors, one transport, one armed transport variant, one venom, nine jetbikes, five winged guys. 47 models total.

High Elves: Twenty archers, thirty spearmen, lion chariot, dragon prince, heavy cavalry and heavy infantry, looks like white lions. 84 models total.

Skaven: Screaming bell, warp lightning cannon, two rat ogres + rat swarms, twenty plague monks, two blocks of old ratmen, two blocks of new models. 113 models total.

Source: WD 383, it comes with an X-Mas gift guide, all cost 130 quid or €175,--

What exactly is a "space marine command kit" and how is it different from "space marine commander"?

Oh so it's a Ravager not a Raider?

That's 547 AUD in content, 350 AUD price for the Megaforce so 197 AUD savings for the Dark Eldar force.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1050238

nectarprime wrote:What exactly is a "space marine command kit" and how is it different from "space marine commander"?

Goof removed, it's been a long day.

There's a reason these are release around christmas time.

It's not so veteran gamers buy them for themselves.

It's so people can ask clueless relatives for them for the holidays.

I'd be more comfortable telling my Uncle that i want "the Dark Eldar Megaforce" than asking for "three ravagers and two battle forces."

Plus, who doesn't like saying "MEGAFORCE"?

BrookM wrote:

nectarprime wrote:What exactly is a "space marine command kit" and how is it different from "space marine commander"?

Goof removed, it's been a long day.

Ah ok! I was wondering if there was some kit I had never heard of! Thanks for the info

Also, the majority of people that buy 40k to play don't play competitively. There are guys that want to build wych cults.

Well, that mix of old and new for the skaven rules it out, the two aesthetics are fairly distinct and it would constantly irritate me.

Dark eldar box may well get purchased then. I'm going to build a DE army purely based on getting a range of figures I like and mixing them together. It's my 'shiz n giggles' army, whereas my Ork force is my 'gnaw your face off' principle army.

LunaHound wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Look at page 1 i did an analyze on the prices.

LunaHound wrote:1 kabalite warrior = $2.191
1 wytch = $2.191
1 raider = $24.88
1 reaver = $8.73

These are the discount worth of units inside a Battle Force. If we use that to factor the mega army then we get:

9 Reavers = $78.57
10 Kaba Warrior = $21.91
25 Wych = $54.75
2 Raiders = $49.76

Total so far = $205 Battleforce price worth.

Vemon = $30
Scourge = $25

Grand Total $260.

Not only are you not saving on the 2 , you are paying $15 to get privilege of having a Venom and Scourge in this combo.

Well now that we know that there's a ravager and raider, not two raiders and only 20 wyches and also that the box will likely be less then 275 (more like 225-250 based on AU prices -- megapaint set is 413AU and $247.50).

Currently the contents of the mega force would cost you 298 retail (a battleforce + 2 boxes reavers, 1 box wyches, 1 box scourges, 1 ravager, 1 venom). So probably 50-75 dollars in savings assuming you want everything in the box (or can sell/trade stuff you don't want).

I actually like the contents of the DE megaforce. First megaforce I am tempted to buy or put on my xmas wishlist. But unlike some folks I like reavers, think wyches are just fine and find warriors overrated. Scourges are the only unit in the box I have no plans to use, but the bits will be useful fodder for trueborn conversions and the like.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Well, that mix of old and new for the skaven rules it out, the two aesthetics are fairly distinct and it would constantly irritate me.

Dark eldar box may well get purchased then. I'm going to build a DE army purely based on getting a range of figures I like and mixing them together. It's my 'shiz n giggles' army, whereas my Ork force is my 'gnaw your face off' principle army.

I will point out that I'm not a Skaven / Elf / Eldar expert, so I could be wrong about this and that.

What are the confirm contents for the Dark Eldar Megaforce?

Worglock wrote:
then buy the stuff from your favorite discounter?

Again you are missing the point completely.

Anyways, going to crunch some numbers now.

LunaHound wrote:What are the confirm contents for the Dark Eldar Megaforce?

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

No one is raging, so please don't use that tone. There are reasons that you seems to have missed, as to why the calculation was made in the first place.

I just posted those, un-ignore me already!

BrookM wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What are the confirm contents for the Dark Eldar Megaforce?

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

No one is raging, so please don't use that tone. There are reasons that you seems to have missed, as to why the calculation was made in the first place.

I just posted those, un-ignore me already!

I only have one person on ignore, trust me its not you o_o

But yes sorry i'll look again xD

LunaHound wrote:

BrookM wrote:

LunaHound wrote:What are the confirm contents for the Dark Eldar Megaforce?

Worglock wrote:

ceku wrote:Do megaforces save you a lot of money or are they like the battleforces and only save you like $3

Dark Eldar Battleforce is $95. it saves you $30.75 at retail. Please be informed, or at least do some basic math before trying to rage about GW.

No one is raging, so please don't use that tone. There are reasons that you seems to have missed, as to why the calculation was made in the first place.

I just posted those, un-ignore me already!

I only have one person on ignore, trust me its not you o_o

But yes sorry i'll look again xD

To repost what I posted: Dark Eldar: Twenty wyches, ten warriors, one transport, one armed transport variant, one venom, nine jetbikes, five winged guys. 47 models total.

20x wyches, $43.82
10x warriors $21.91
1x Raider $24.88
9x Jetbikes $78.57
............................................ $169.18 of Battle Force Price


1x Ravager $49.59
1x venom, $30
5x Soucrges $25
............................................$104.59 MSRP Grand Total of $273.77

Not only are you not saving on the 2 , you are paying $1.23 to get privilege of having a Venom Scourge and Ravager in this combo.

My points still stands. For anyone that understand the significance of the 2 variation of prices used.

Where are you getting these prices/numbers from Luna?

SilverMK2 wrote:Where are you getting these prices/numbers from Luna?

Its easier for me to reply by asking these questions i think. ( because its not the math behind it, rather, the concept )

" Do you guys know where the savings come from within these Megaforces"
" Do you think they are all discounted, or the savings came from the Battle Forces and such units incorporated into the Megaforce?"

This is why its very important to factor in Battleforce price for Battle Force units.

OR ELSE. There is no point, you could just buy battle force, and the rest of the none BF units in their standard price.

Since we have no price point to work from for USD, it's kinda silly to extrapolate from that.

Kanluwen wrote:Since we have no price point to work from for USD, it's kinda silly to extrapolate from that.

No its not silly because.

1) Which ever country currency i did the country of, still stands.

2) Currency means nothing in a concept. UNLESS you felt they would only apply it to one country.

But no, i bet this concept is used on all countries.

If I were to buy the Marine Mega Awesome Boxed Set of Awesome (tm) myself for €175,00 I'd save up €90,50 as the actual value of included models is:

Space Marine commander: € 17,50
Command squad: €30,00
Venerable Dreadnought: €35,00
Tactical Squads: €60,00 (€30,00 per boxed set)
Scouts: €20,00
Drop pod: €26,00
Land Speeder Storm: €25,00
Redeemer: €52,00

Total: €265,50
Saved dosh: €90,50

LunaHound wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Since we have no price point to work from for USD, it's kinda silly to extrapolate from that.

No its not silly because.

1) Which ever country currency i did the country of, still stands.

2) Currency means nothing in a concept. UNLESS you felt they would only apply it to one country.

But no, i bet this concept is used on all countries.

BrookM wrote:If I were to buy the Marine Mega Awesome Boxed Set of Awesome (tm) myself for €175,00 I'd save up €90,50 as the actual value of included models is:

Space Marine commander: € 17,50
Command squad: €30,00
Venerable Dreadnought: €35,00
Tactical Squads: €60,00 (€30,00 per boxed set)
Scouts: €20,00
Drop pod: €26,00
Land Speeder Storm: €25,00
Redeemer: €52,00

Total: €265,50
Saved dosh: €90,50

This Space Marine deal, i can tell it works without any calculations.
If only due to the amount of none BattleForce units contained within it.

Lessee now, the Dark Eldar contents. Again, €175,00 for the whole deal.

Wyches: €45,50 (two boxed sets)
Warriors: €22,75
Raider: €26,00
Venom: €25,00
Reavers: €81,75 (three boxed sets)
Scourges: €22,50
Ravager: 39,00

Grand total: €262,50
Saved dosh: €87,50

Luna, the only thing missing from the Megaforce is a Rhino.

Know facts before you speak.

Chowderhead wrote:Luna, the only thing missing from the Megaforce is a Rhino.

Know facts before you speak.

I said it was a good deal. If its missing a Rhino, then its even a better deal.

Whats the problem?

You are looking at this thing completely the wrong way.

I can substitute everything as X and Y for all it matters Earth is still heavier than moon, if i missed a few tons its not going to change the fact.

It's all gibberish to me. I just see a massive discount that setting off the old radar.

LunaHound wrote:This is why its very important to factor in Battleforce price for Battle Force units.

OR ELSE. There is no point, you could just buy battle force, and the rest of the none BF units in their standard price.

That has frequently been the case with GW's bundle deals over the years. They don't always give you that much (if any) of a saving.

LunaHound wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:Where are you getting these prices/numbers from Luna?

Its easier for me to reply by asking these questions i think. ( because its not the math behind it, rather, the concept )

No, it is easier for you to tell me where you are pulling these numbers/units from

LunaHound wrote:20x wyches, $43.82
10x warriors $21.91
1x Raider $24.88
9x Jetbikes $78.57
............................................ $169.18 of Battle Force Price


1x Ravager $49.59
1x venom, $30
5x Soucrges $25
............................................$104.59 MSRP Grand Total of $273.77

Not only are you not saving on the 2 , you are paying $1.23 to get privilege of having a Venom Scourge and Ravager in this combo.

My points still stands. For anyone that understand the significance of the 2 variation of prices used.

I don't know if I'm doing it way wrong or what, but I'm coming up with $298.50 for the contents of the megaforce.

What Luna is saying is that if you take the components of the battleforce (note: battleforce, not megaforce) that are included in the megaforce and then add in the other units units included in the megaforce, then typically there isn't much of a deal as buying a battleforce + the OTHER items included in the megaforce would be similar to the price of the megaforce itself.

Kind of confusing, I know.

I can still hear crickets in Cananda regarding this.

Not sure why we had to have a big mystery surrounding that.

So...

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

That Space Marine megaforce is a bit of a clusterfeth.

A land raider and a land speeder storm, but no rhino?

Alpharius wrote:Not sure why we had to have a big mystery surrounding that.

So...

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

Since you asked so nicely Alpharius, here it is done up in GBP as it's a known price point:
Going off the UK site's listed price, looking at individual boxes.
3x Reaver boxes are 64.50
3x infantry boxes(2 Wyches 1 Kabalite Warrior) are 54.
A single box of Scourges is 15.50
Raider is 20.50
Ravager is 31.
Venom is 18.50.
Total price: 204 GBP

Going off the UK Games Workshop site's listed price, starting with a Battleforce as the core.
Battleforce(contains the Raider, 1x box of Wyches, 1x box of Reavers, 1x box of Warriors) is 60
A box of Wyches is 18
Scourges is 15.5
Ravager is 31
2x boxes of Reavers is 43
Venom is 18.50
Total: 186 GBP

The Megaforce, as Brook already confirmed, is 130 GBP.

You save 56 versus buying the Battleforce and extra components.
You save 74 versus buying the components by themselves.

Also bear in mind, this is just for the Dark Eldar one as it's the only one I'm actually considering buying.

The Fragile Breath wrote:I don't know if I'm doing it way wrong or what, but I'm coming up with $298.50 for the contents of the megaforce.

Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:What Luna is saying is that if you take the components of the battleforce (note: battleforce, not megaforce) that are included in the megaforce and then add in the other units units included in the megaforce, then typically there isn't much of a deal as buying a battleforce + the OTHER items included in the megaforce would be similar to the price of the megaforce itself.

Kind of confusing, I know.

I can still hear crickets in Cananda regarding this.

YES THIS THIS THIS

insaniak wrote:

LunaHound wrote:This is why its very important to factor in Battleforce price for Battle Force units.

OR ELSE. There is no point, you could just buy battle force, and the rest of the none BF units in their standard price.

That has frequently been the case with GW's bundle deals over the years. They don't always give you that much (if any) of a saving.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES , that or you pay EXTRA $1.23 OMG YES.

THANK GOD

BrookM wrote:Skaven: Screaming bell, warp lightning cannon, two rat ogres + rat swarms, twenty plague monks, two blocks of old ratmen, two blocks of new models. 113 models total.

Ugh, those guys are horrible. This was the only one that was niggling at me and (thank God) I have no desire whatsoever to buy it after seeing that.

Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Your calcs are assuming you can get the contents of the battleforces seperately at battle force prices -- thats the problem I have with your calcs. You'd have to buy multiple battleforces and sell off the other contents to get the wyches and bikes at those rates. Certainly doable and perhaps a better deal if you want everything in 2-3 battleforces -- but not a fair comparison imo.

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

Already done several times by myself and others:
1 battleforce + 1 ravager + 1 venom + 1 box of wyches + 2 boxes of bikes + 1 scourge = $298

vs

whatever the megaforce ends up being in US (which based on AUS of the megaforce and comparable items we know the price of for both US/AUS -- it should be around 210-250)

winterman wrote:

Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Your calcs are assuming you can get the contents of the battleforces seperately at battle force prices -- thats the problem I have with your calcs. You'd have to buy multiple battleforces and sell off the other contents to get the wyches and bikes at those rates. Certainly doable and perhaps a better deal if you want everything in 2-3 battleforces -- but not a fair comparison imo.

Battleforce price + the other stuff vs. New Megaforce price.

Already done several times by myself and others:
1 battleforce + 1 ravager + 1 venom + 1 box of wyches + 2 boxes of bikes + 1 scourge = $298

vs

whatever the megaforce ends up being in US (which based on AUS of the megaforce and comparable items we know the price of for both US/AUS -- it should be around 210-250)

And sir, this is how GW succeed. The amount of BattleForce unit doesn't add up to the standard quantity.
This is how they throw you off in your calculations. The price silvermk2 asked is the adjusted price. And why its so important in this whole concept because it prevents people from getting confused.

Anyways, i presented my case, many understood, my work is done.

The price, the country, and the content matters not. What matter is whether people understand the concept, and use it as a tool to tailor their purchase list.
And that's all that is important to me. The rest is up to people's free will in how they spend their money, something I have zero intention of challenging.

The price matters because at the end of the day that is what you are looking at...

The concept is simple - is what you get from the battleforce and other "boxed deals" plus individual kits to make up the numbers better or cheaper than the megaforce armies.

The answer seems to be that to get the same kits as the megaforce armies through either individual kits or some combination of battleforces and individual kits is quite a bit cheaper, "adjusted price" (whatever that means - you still have not explained where you got your numbers from which is kind of important - I can pull numbers out of thin air as easily as the next guy ).

Now, whether those megaforces are "better" in terms of providing what you would want and what you may need is a completely different issue.

I'm so confused right now...

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

Look at the this page's 18th post ( my post and 2 quotes )

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

It's the following:

Since both the Battleforce and Megaforce share similar components (which are at a discount from regular retail price), it's important to compare the discounted prices to see if it's a better deal to buy a Battleforce vs a Megaforce. The reason you do this is because both save you money when compared to retail, so you may want to know which of the two discounted items saves you more money per item.

As such, Luna has deduced the cost/model of any product shared by the Battleforce and the Megaforce, and compared the two, showing that the Battleforce is actually a better deal if you purchase the Battleforce and then supplement that purchase with non-discounted retail purchases (to reach a similar composition to the Megaforce).

At least that's how I understood it.

Now, the question was brought up about whether you actually get the same number of models in a single purchase of the Battleforce vs. Megaforce. In other words, just because you're getting a better deal per model by buying the Battleforce and some retail items, are you really getting a better deal if you try to exactly copy the contents of a Megaforce using this method?

*Ninja'd

LunaHound wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

Look at the this page's 18th post ( my post and 2 quotes )

That confuses me even more...


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Xca|iber wrote:

nectarprime wrote:

purplefood wrote:I'm so confused right now...

Me too. I have absolutely no idea what LunaHound is getting at.

It's the following:

Since both the Battleforce and Megaforce share similar components (which are at a discount from regular retail price), it's important to compare the discounted prices to see if it's a better deal to buy a Battleforce vs a Megaforce. The reason you do this is because both save you money when compared to retail, so you may want to know which of the two discounted items saves you more money per item.

As such, Luna has deduced the cost/model of any product shared by the Battleforce and the Megaforce, and compared the two, showing that the Battleforce is actually a better deal if you purchase the Battleforce and then supplement that purchase with non-discounted retail purchases (to reach a similar composition to the Megaforce).

At least that's how I understood it.

Now, the question was brought up about whether you actually get the same number of models in a single purchase of the Battleforce vs. Megaforce. In other words, just because you're getting a better deal per model by buying the Battleforce and some retail items, are you really getting a better deal if you try to exactly copy the contents of a Megaforce using this method?

*Ninja'd

Okay that makes more sense.
I still don't get why Lunahound broke it down into cost per model...
Shouldn't it simply be broken down into cost per total unit/box?

And sir, this is how GW succeed. The amount of BattleForce unit doesn't add up to the standard quantity.
This is how they throw you off in your calculations. The price silvermk2 asked is the adjusted price. And why its so important in this whole concept because it prevents people from getting confused.

If I could buy wyches and reavers at battle force prices without the other stuff (like warriors, in which I only want 10) then you'd be correct. But I can't. I'd be stuck with at least 10 warriors (more if I wanted 9 reavers at battelforce prices) and then have to sell or trade to get the value you are ascribing to the wyches.

For me (and hopefully anyone buying the megaforce) the megaforce is a better deal.

Its why your calcs are a tad misleading -- they are only accurate for those willing to buy multiple battleforces to get those savings.

You are 100% correct Xca|iber

purplefood wrote:
Okay that makes more sense.
I still don't get why Lunahound broke it down into cost per model...
Shouldn't it simply be broken down into cost per total unit/box?

Because i took the effort to go 1 step further to make it simpler for you guys.
And because I know GW will never have the "balls" to make the quantity same which will make it all too obvious and easy to spot.

Can you explain why would you break things down to a cost per model basis, and use only the highest end guess that Worglock threw out there($275), rather than the more sensible equation of breaking things down to a cost per box basis?

People aren't likely going to buy more than one Megaforce. They're going to buy it to have a wider range of models to start working from than simply buying a Battleforce.

purplefood wrote:That confuses me even more...

Advanced mechanics of solids is easy compared to following maths where the starting point is not explained

I can see where she is coming from, but she is not really helping herself in the way she is going about.

Kanluwen wrote:Can you explain why would you break things down to a cost per model basis, and use only the highest end guess that Worglock threw out there($275), rather than the more sensible equation of breaking things down to a cost per box basis?

People aren't likely going to buy more than one Megaforce. They're going to buy it to have a wider range of models to start working from than simply buying a Battleforce.

Because you are looking at it completely out of the point.

SilverMK2 wrote:

purplefood wrote:That confuses me even more...

Advanced mechanics of solids is easy compared to following maths where the starting point is not explained

I can see where she is coming from, but she is not really helping herself in the way she is going about.

And that is my fault. Its like gravity. We know how it works, we know it exists, yet how many of us can come up with a formula ( unless we already learned it )

LunaHound wrote:Because you are looking at it completely out of the point.

However, you seem not to want to inform us what it is you are trying to say. At least I don't really see what you are trying to say, or why.

And that is my fault. Its like gravity. We know how it works, we know it exists, yet how many of us can come up with a formula ( unless we already learned it )

...

And yet people teach and learn how gravity works all the time - all you need is someone who know what they are talking about to explain what is going on

Wait, I am confused about this whole megaforce thing.

I think we're dealing with a language barrier? :/

I mean, what exactly is a megaforce? This is the first time I have heard about it.

nectarprime wrote:I think we're dealing with a language barrier? :/

I'm pretty sure everyone here is from a country which speaks English as a first language

SilverMK2 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Because you are looking at it completely out of the point.

However, you seem not to want to inform us what it is you are trying to say. At least I don't really see what you are trying to say, or why.

And that is my fault. Its like gravity. We know how it works, we know it exists, yet how many of us can come up with a formula ( unless we already learned it )

...

And yet people teach and learn how gravity works all the time - all you need is someone who know what they are talking about to explain what is going on

But there are various people in the thread already that explained the concept i said. They understood.

Beyond that, i really cant see how i can explain it better. But just so you know im trying... here goes my attempt.


Say...

Apple costs $1.25
Orange costs $1.25
Banana costs: X

We have Special A. 20 apple and 20 oranges is special price of $40 total.
And we have Special B. We have 20 apple and 20 oranges and price is discounted amount of Y.

The price of Special B costs less than if you buy them all individually. To majority of customers, they see it as a "deal"

However, one can say Special A + X actually costs LESS than Special B
because the discount actually came from Special A deal.

Then we see the shop actually charges X+ MORE , making the banana more expensive if bought in Special B

Compared to Special A + Banana.

forruner_mercy wrote:I mean, what exactly is a megaforce? This is the first time I have heard about it.

It is like an army deal - you get a certain list of units and models for a certain cost which is less than buying all those models individually. Kind of like a bigger battleforce.

SilverMK2 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I think we're dealing with a language barrier? :/

I'm pretty sure everyone here is from a country which speaks English as a first language

HAR HAR. The ones that understood read my english, its not like i explained to them in moon language.

Seriously, it doesn't need explanation, my first post with the numbers should have been enough to get the ideas through.

But sure if you want to blame it on MY english, go for it.

LunaHound wrote:But there are various people in the thread already that explained the concept i said. They understood.

Please understand - I get the concept, I agree that there are various ways of putting together the components of the megaforce from existing deals and kits. I simply want to know how you are getting your prices and why.

The concept you are putting across is really quite simple - trust me.

Beyond that, i really cant see how i can explain it better. But just so you know im trying... here goes my attempt.

Again, I get the concept - I just want to know where you are getting your prices from - as I have said several times.


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LunaHound wrote:Seriously, it doesn't need explanation, my first post with the numbers should have been enough to get the ideas through.

Again - idea is fine - I understand idea. No need to explain idea.

Numbers on other hand - need to know where you get them from.

But sure if you want to blame it on MY english, go for it.

If you read what I say I am not blaming anyone for anything, or even commenting on anyone's ability to write comprehensible English, or read and understand the posts of others.

Honestly, anyone that is interested in these releases will do their own research and educate themselves as consumers. If the listed USD price is reasonable, I will be jumping on the DE deal because I want each and every unit in the box. If it's not, here's hoping parents pick these up for their kids while I explore alternate means of completing my army. In addition, I think that a comparison to to the battleforce would only work for the price of one battleforce, as the units aren't the same past one battleforce.

SilverMK2 wrote:
Again, I get the concept - I just want to know where you are getting your prices from - as I have said several times.

A battleforce for 10 warriors, 10 wyches, 3 jetbikes, and 1 raider is $95. If you bought them separatlely the cost would be $125.75. You are getting 25% off the original retail on this.

Luna's numbers represent 25% off.

Then we see the shop actually charges X+ MORE , making the banana more expensive if bought in Special B

Compared to Special A + Banana.

Except, that isn't the case with the DE megaforce...

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:
Again, I get the concept - I just want to know where you are getting your prices from - as I have said several times.

A battleforce for 10 warriors, 10 wyches, 3 jetbikes, and 1 raider is $95. If you bought them separately the cost would be $125.75. You are getting 75% off the original retail on this.

Luna's numbers represent 75% off.

The problem is, no matter how you run the numbers in the currencies where we have prices to work from(GBP, Euro, AUD)---none of these megaforces at their listed price have had the contents of the megaforce be less expensive(whether you buy a battleforce+the individual components within the megaforce or the individual components separately) than the cost of the megaforce itself.

Simply put, the numbers do not add up to anywhere near what was put forward. In none of these scenarios, are you paying more for the megaforce.

Lt. Coldfire wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:
Again, I get the concept - I just want to know where you are getting your prices from - as I have said several times.

A battleforce for 10 warriors, 10 wyches, 3 jetbikes, and 1 raider is $95. If you bought them separatlely the cost would be $125.75. You are getting 75% off the original retail on this.

Luna's numbers represent 75% off.

Not 75% off. 25% off or 75% of the original cost. But yeah that appears to be the basis for the her calcs.

Interestingly, the megaforce has a similar discount, at least so far in every country that got their WD early.

So doing a little bit of math, going off the more likely price of 250 USD for the Megaforce for Dark Eldar, and what I assume she was meaning(namely: "Why would you buy these units, you can buy battleforces and get 2 more Raiders, 20 more Warriors, and 10 more Wyches!"):

Buying 3x Battleforces comes out to $285 USD and you do not get the Ravager, Scourges, or the Venom(which come out to $104.75 altogether)--but gain 20 more Warriors, 10 more Wyches and 2 more Raiders for $35 USD.

Assuming you do actually want those extra things, it comes out to $389.75 USD.

Now, if we reverse it and look at the megaforce as a starting point...
You're looking at 250+153[66(for the 2 Raiders)+87(2x boxes of Warriors @ 29 each and another box of Wyches @ 29)]=$403 USD.

That means, if you do want all the contents of a Megaforce plus 2 more Raiders, 20 more Warriors, and 10 more Wyches--it's cheaper(by $13.25 USD) to buy the 3x Battleforces+ the components individually.

If you do not want those 2 extra Raiders, 20 Warriors, and 10 Wyches--you're better off just buying the Megaforce as it's $139.75 less and you won't have to hedge your expenditures on hoping that you can sell off the extra components.

Is that what you were trying to put forward Luna?

Oops, yeah, 25% off.

LunaHound wrote:Weird. unless my original calculation is off, the price you quoted is still the number i get.

Now I see what we did differently. I added the price of the Battleforce along with the rest of the models, that's why we got different numbers.

I think I'm going to have to agree that its value will really be based on if you want everything in the megaforce versus if you want everything in multiple battleforces.

I personally think that, especially if the price is 250, the Dark Eldar megaforce is a good deal. I'm beginning to question if I'll buy it, though. I have one squad of Wyches, I could definitely use the two more, and I need so many more Warriors and Raiders, so check there. I have two Ravagers, a third certainly wouldn't hurt. Nine Reavers? Yes please. Same goes for a Venom. The Scourges, not so much, however, as I really can't see myself needing five more when I've already got ten, and have never seen the need to use more (yet).

Edit: I know they're coming out for Christmas, but do we have any idea when they'll be released?

Assuming AUD$350 is correct, it’s about a 35% saving for Aussies compared to buying it all separately. Of course, it’s AUD$250~ to buy everything separately from the UK or US, so if you can find a way to get it overseas, so that instead and save yourself a hundred 250 bucks

There's no assumption, we actually have a picture of it.


Borath101 posted it here.

Yep, just like the printed price of the RoB was correct... for all of a week.

The printed price of the RoB was actually in White Dwarf proper, not a pamphlet stuffed inside. It was set six months ahead of time--and they had to change it.

What I'd be interested in knowing is, as a fairly new player, who has been playing a little over a year, and only with Orks at about 1500 pt max, would the DE Megaforce be able to field 1000pts and be anywhere near competitive and more importantly, if not very competitive, at least a lot of fun?
I've had great success with my Orks, and while at best only "kinda" competitive, are a crap ton of fun.

What do you guys think?

Let's just continue and move on from the apparent mathematical conundrum we appear to have stumbled into. Ta.

Hi Guys,

Here are the numbers I crunched for the Space Marine Megaforce yesterday, before BrookM had confirmed the UK price of £130:

Unit / Price Au$ / Price Converted into GBP / Actual price from GW UK in GBP / Online Price GBP

Captain Au$37.00 £24.03 £14.00 £11.34
Command Squad Au$55.00 £35.73 £20.50 £16.61
Tactical Squad Au$62.00 £40.27 £23.00 £18.60
Tactical Squad Au$62.00 £40.27 £23.00 £18.60
Scout Squad Au$41.00 £26.63 £15.50 £12.55
Venerable Dreadnought Au$74.00 £48.07 £28.00 £22.68
Landraider Crusader / Redeemer Au$110.00 £71.45 £41.00 £33.21
Drop Pod Au$55.00 £35.73 £20.50 £16.60
Landspeeder Storm Au$50.00 £32.48 £18.50 £14.99

Total Au$546.00 / £204.00

Megaforce Au$350.00

Saving of Au$196.00 over individually priced units, which is approximately a 36% discount.

Applying that discount to the GW UK retail total of £204.00 gives a calculated Megaforce price of £130.77 that ties up nicely with the BrookM’s stated retail price.

Interestingly if you take the Au$350 price and convert it into GBP (at $1.00 = £0.65 according to Google) and then remove the average 74% (!) mark-up for the GW Aus prices, you get a price of £130.66, which is again consistent.

If (and it’s a big if) we assume that the Megaforce will be available to online retailers and they apply their average 19% discount (I used Gift for Geeks for this comparison, but Wayland et al are similar, YMMV), then the retail price will be ~£106, representing a whopping 48% saving over the original individual retail prices from GW UK!

Now I get what Lunahound was saying about the Battleforces already representing a saving, but a) I think this is still going to be cheaper and b) At least for the Space Marines the composition of units in the Megaforce is quite different to the Battleforce, so I don’t think you can make the comparison (i.e. If you bought three Battleforces it wouldn’t give you comparable units, unlike the old Ork Megaforce, which was essentially a scaled up Battleforce).

From this I draw three conclusions:

1) This a big saving if, and only if, you actually want most of this stuff
2) I now have a deep sense of pity for our Southern Hemisphere cousins, 74% mark-up??! OUCH!
3) A deep, abiding, hope that Reds8n doesn’t think I’m ignoring his instructions about mathematical conundrums and therefore I avoid a beating with the Mod stick…

matphat wrote:What I'd be interested in knowing is, as a fairly new player, who has been playing a little over a year, and only with Orks at about 1500 pt max, would the DE Megaforce be able to field 1000pts and be anywhere near competitive and more importantly, if not very competitive, at least a lot of fun?
I've had great success with my Orks, and while at best only "kinda" competitive, are a crap ton of fun.

What do you guys think?

I have not yet used a list with more Wyches than Warriors, I usually use the same amount, but I think it would be a fun list. The main problem I see is only having one Raider, footslogging Dark Eldar has not worked well for me, I like my troops to be protected. Well, as protected as their flimsy vehicles allow.

Running a few numbers fairly quickly, I'm coming up with just under 850 points for everything included in the megaforce with no upgrades taken (I computed the Warriors as Trueborn, though). You still need an HQ, getting an Archon would be your best bet. If you want, I could come up with a real list instead of just throwing all of the models in there and private message it to you. Bottom line, it wouldn't be too competitive of a list, but I think it would be a lot of fun, and if you learn to use it right, you could definitely kick some butt with it.

Edit: While the Archon model they sell is beautiful, you could also use the extra passengers that come with the Ravager to make an extra model if you have a base lying around, the new model could count as your Archon, he/she just wouldn't look as fancy.

matphat wrote:What I'd be interested in knowing is, as a fairly new player, who has been playing a little over a year, and only with Orks at about 1500 pt max, would the DE Megaforce be able to field 1000pts and be anywhere near competitive and more importantly, if not very competitive, at least a lot of fun?
I've had great success with my Orks, and while at best only "kinda" competitive, are a crap ton of fun.

What do you guys think?

I think you get a pretty decent selection out of this box. All you really need to add IMO is an extra Venom and a HQ and you'll have a half decent army. 2 units of 5 warriors in venoms and 2 full wych squads (although I often add in a haemonculus) are the foundation of my 1500 list. Scourges are pretty decent, reavers are okay (but not great). It would really benefit from having a couple of ravagers included too, but as the basis of a 1500 army, I think it's pretty damn good!

Kirasu wrote:Anyone know the price in "normal country dollars"? Not the exploitative aussie price.. Converting currency is sorta pointless

Yeah, that was because someone asked. Let's also not be arrogant a-holes with comments like "normal country" dollars, hm?



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BrookM wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:So how much does $350 australian translate to? 15 quid?

Each set is going for 130 quid or €175,--

Ouch! Like 100 quid markup for Aussies! If Maelstrom were still shipping or if Weyland had their shizzle together to go with their free shipping voucher I'd be buying a DE one from the UK to Aust.

If indy stores can carry these, I might pick up the DE Megaforce on the off chance I like 6th edition.

So has the USA price been confirmed?

BrookM wrote:Skaven: Screaming bell, warp lightning cannon, two rat ogres + rat swarms, twenty plague monks, two blocks of old ratmen, two blocks of new models. 113 models total.

I believe you're seeing two blocks of Stormvermin and two blocks of Clanrats, not "old/new ratmen".

Assuming that is the case, the Skaven Megaforce contains:

Clanrats x2: $70.00
Plague Monks: $35.00
Rat Ogres/Giant Rats: $40.00
Screaming Bell: $57.75
Stormvermin x2: $99.00

Given that you can still find Rats half of the IoB on eBay for about $35-40, I'd say the Skaven Megaforce definately NOT worth getting whatsoever.

BrookM wrote:High Elves: Twenty archers, thirty spearmen, lion chariot, dragon prince, heavy cavalry and heavy infantry, looks like white lions. 84 models total.

I'm seeing:

Archers: $35.00
Chariot: $26.50
Lord on Dragon: $49.50
Princes of Caledor x2: $59.50
Spearmen x2: $70.00
White Lions x2: $82.50

This is different enough from the IoB stuff that it may actually be worth buying.

Bought as separate kits, the Megaforces work out to the following prices USD:

High Elves: $323.00
Skaven: $334.75
Dark Eldar: $328.75
Space Marines: $331.50

SilverMK2 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I think we're dealing with a language barrier? :/

I'm pretty sure everyone here is from a country which speaks English as a first language

It took me more than a couple of posts to understand Luna. But with that Canadian flag there, I'm assuming their first language may be French, and not English..

Funny... I bought the Chaos Terminator Spearhead/Apocalypse box several years ago... $120 for 15 Termies and 2 Termie Characters. I've got a total of 23 terminators now... all word bearers one lord (coryphaeus) with dual LC and a sorceror/dark apostle with cursed crozius and combi melta Best deal GW has EVER had

boyd wrote:Funny... I bought the Chaos Terminator Spearhead/Apocalypse box several years ago... $120 for 15 Termies and 2 Termie Characters. I've got a total of 23 terminators now... all word bearers one lord (coryphaeus) with dual LC and a sorceror/dark apostle with cursed crozius and combi melta Best deal GW has EVER had

Wow, that is a hell of a deal. Something like that would make me start a Chaos army!


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scipio.au wrote:

SilverMK2 wrote:

nectarprime wrote:I think we're dealing with a language barrier? :/

I'm pretty sure everyone here is from a country which speaks English as a first language

It took me more than a couple of posts to understand Luna. But with that Canadian flag there, I'm assuming their first language may be French, and not English..

That's what I was thinking too. Sorry if I offended anyone, didn't mean to! Just was having a hard time understanding.

scipio.au wrote:Ouch! Like 100 quid markup for Aussies! If Maelstrom were still shipping or if Weyland had their shizzle together to go with their free shipping voucher I'd be buying a DE one from the UK to Aust.

There are other places you can order from that still ship overseas. They mightn't have the megaforce, but it's still cheaper to order it all separately than it is to get the Megaforce locally.

scipio.au wrote:Ouch! Like 100 quid markup for Aussies! If Maelstrom were still shipping or if Weyland had their shizzle together to go with their free shipping voucher I'd be buying a DE one from the UK to Aust.

Wow! A 100 quid markup is pretty bad. Makes me glad I quit GW earlier this year.

With Novembers issue of White Dwarf, come's a little leafelet that shows the same picture as on page 2, but instead of prices, it shows a release date of December 3rd.

I'll be gettn 1 of those space marine megaforces no hesitation

I cant wait to see the actual USD and CDN for these things.

LunaHound wrote:I cant wait to see the actual USD and CDN for these things.

Same, I'll probably get it, while I don't need any more Tactical marine's, I could always use them for conversions. Or perhaps start a Blood Angels army as well.

$215 USD
$328 USD if purchased separately.
It works out to be 35% off retail prices.

If you get 20% off at FLGS this is a freaking steal.


How do I get this without getting killed by the wife.......

Space marine one bought separately comes to £204, The Megaforce is £130, thats a bargain.

I've just bought my High Elves and the Megaforce they released wouldn't of helped me one bit as it only includes one unit I'm using

And the way I figured it, if you are starting a "competitive" build for DE, the army box is still a savings. Many lists i see use wyches (about 20) and raiders as well as venoms. So even if you don't use the scourges or bikes, the venom, ravager, and extra box of wyches STILL makes this a value box. (with a savings of about $10 versus just getting another battleforce) Plus, the Scourge Sprue includes a DL and a Blaster, which allows you to add more Darklights to your army. Between bits and items to trade, this is a good buy, IMO.


http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440004a&rootCatGameStyle=

It's up.

Just got home from GW store. Single operator showed me the megaforces. $215, and worth the money without a doubt. These things are nice and big. Same box size as the terrain bundles. He said they will be stocked in the hobby centers as far as he knows, but wasn't sure about indy stores.

I really like the High Elf one since it comes with that dragon! Space Marine one is also awesome with a ven dread and Land Raider.

I don't get to say this often, but I actually don't have any complaints about this, lol. The DE megaforce is full of units I still need, and it's actually priced at about what I said would be reasonable earlier, as opposed to the $250+ I was expecting. So at the moment I'm just deciding whether or not to buy it directly from GW right now or wait and see if my local store can get one for me.

GW being reasonable and offering real deals. What reality is this.

Though I suppose it's just how de-sensitized we are to prices as none of them should be this expensive in the first place.

Just wanted to let everyone know for certain that there is no devastator sprue, or single lascannon in the SM Mega Force despite what the box shows. Still an awesome deal. Got mine for $188 tax, tag and title from my FLGS!

There isn't a Lascannon on the box? Aside from the one on the Venerable, of course.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:There isn't a Lascannon on the box? Aside from the one on the Venerable, of course.

Yes, there is. The furthest right tactical marine has a Lascannon.

That's a missile launcher.

MasterSlowPoke wrote:That's a missile launcher.

Ok dude, when I get home I will take a picture of the box and post it for you.

OK...Dude. The ONLY lascannon on this picture is being sported by the Dreadnought.

The box clearly shows a missile launcher.

e-ninja'd.

Here you go. Obviously an error on their part.


The folks over at B&C also noticed it and began speculating wether or not it was a misprint.

Very interesting. Looks like the photo team screwed up!