The Bounty Hunter Gang Leader is now available!



$9.99 (usd)

You can get him directly from my site at http://www.gangfightgames.com.

Some would call them a Jack or Jill of all trades, Bounty Hunters excel at catching a man dead or alive... Usually dead. To get the job done, they master of a variety of weapons and tend to be stronger than most. Some bring only criminals to justice, but most will go after any bounty that pays well enough.

Bounty hunters gain +1 Strength when first recruited. They are known to use a wide variety of different weapons, and to reflect this they may use equipment one level higher than their current Ranged or Melee Combat Attributes with no penalty. Additionally, If your Gang Leader is a Bounty Hunter, any friendly model within 12" of him may reroll their Morale roll if they fail.

This package includes 1 Bounty Hunter Gang Leader Body, 1 Bounty Hunter Weapon Sprue and 1 30mm round plastic base. The included weapons allow you to equip your Gang Leader with a Rolling Block Rifle (Longarm), Coach Gun (Shotgun), Colt 45 (Pistol), Bowie Knife or Tomahawk (1-Handed Melee).

The size and scale of the figure is compatible with most "28mm Herioic" miniatures, standing 30mm to the eye, 34mm to the top of his hat. Model supplied unpainted. Not recommended for children under 13. Made in the USA, from good old fashioned white metal.

Sculpted and designed by Pedro Ramos.

Edit: When I have a new product available I'll update this first post in addition to a new reply. I figured it's better to do 1 big post than a bunch of new ones every time...

Let me be the 1st to offer a heartfelt congrats to you and your group for getting this project off the ground.

Look forward to reading up on it.

thanks

Sounds good!

I'm thinking the Black Scorpion 'Tombstone' range would be ideal for this!

Yes they're perfect, in fact I used pics of their models all throughout the rulebook and just did a couple of simple conversions for melee weapons for some models.

Eventually I'll be getting my own line of miniatures produced, but that's several months away at least.

Awesome news!

I copied this info over on the MechaniCon post. See you there.

Today I uploaded a new version of the rules with some minor tweaks and corrections. Feel free to visit the website at http://www.blackwatergulch.com to download the latest version.

Also, now that the rules are finalized for real, I've finished the print-on-demand version of the rulebook. It's available from lulu.com for $20 for the softcover and $30 for the hardcover. Even though the rules are available for free on the site, a lot of people asked for a printed option, and Lulu seemed like the best way to go. Both versions are in full color and printed on high quality paper. There's links to buy the books directly from the website, or you can click here to go right to the rules page.

Here are some photos of the books





Lastly, I'm expecting to have some drawings / sketches from the sculptor for the first few miniatures that I'll be getting produced. First will be a Bounty Hunter and a couple of henchmen. The plan will be to hopefully release 1 professional model in 1 blister (advanced, dynamic pose with optional weapons), and 2 henchmen (single-piece, mono-pose) in 1 blister each month, at first, and then see where it goes from there My first few minis will probably be coming from Pedro Ramos.

Thats it for now, more to come

Looks nice. I like the idea of free rules and a solid book version. Ive always been a fan of a real book in hand. Ive done a couple buy and print PDF games (like Mech Attack), and its a great & cheap concept, but theres something nice about having a real book.

Thanks, and yeah I wanted to have books available for people that really want one. I went with print on demand since it costs me nothing to do, and I know if it were me I wouldn't want to print out a full color 36 page PDF on my home printer when I can have a nice book instead. The prices ended up being a little higher than I wanted though, but I guess that's one of the drawbacks. I could have made the book cheaper if I made it all black & white, but the whole idea was to have a nice, full color book.

I may go back and make the PDF more basic, and take out the colored backgrounds and a few other graphic things, so the cooler looking books will stand out and seem a little more worth it

Necros wrote:
I may go back and make the PDF more basic, and take out the colored backgrounds and a few other graphic things, so the cooler looking books will stand out and seem a little more worth it

Perhaps include some scenarios with the books as colour booklets? Based around famous showdowns?

I was thinking about that too actually. The book has 4 scenarios, and I planned to add new ones over time on the website. But I could strip out 3 of them and just have the main "set up & kill" mission for the online rules. I could also take out some of the photos scattered around in the book, and just use what's necessary and what I had to pay for This way the PDF will be a small file size too. Right now it's around 35 MB which I guess isn't too bad in this day and age, but still.

I'm at work, so I can't look into the rules. Is this just historical wild west or are there any Deadlands-ish creatures and weapons in it as well?

Yes, it's historical, but based on a fictional town so it's like generic wild west. I didn't want to go for the "weird west" stuff since that's already been done, and done again.

But that said, I am planning some missions and things based on folklore or old ghost stories, but that would be more like a fun extra thing for Halloween, stuff like that.

Are you going to be at Border Raids this month? Any chance for a demo?

Can't make it to border raids unfortunately :( But, I've been meaning to get down to Granite Run and chat with Mike about demos & stuff. I'm going to have a tight weekend schedule with the holidays coming up.

The next big con I'm planning on right now is Cold Wars in Lancaster in March. Looking around for other events I can do too, but I'm really just getting started. I'd like to try and make it to Adepticon too but may not be able to .. still up in the air right now.

You know, I haven't been to Cold Wars in a few years. I will try and make it down with my dad this year. Hopefully I won't be driving in another blizzard, or leaving in a downpour because the roof of my house blew off!

How did the Mechanicon demos go?

The game looks fun. Not many cowboy mini games i can think of. Tons of 20mm / 1/72 or 1/76 cowboy minis around too.


You should make your site more secure though.

Mechanicon went well Did a bunch of demos and met some nice folks. But I learned that a teeny board and teeny gangs wasn't good for a demo, so next time I'll be doing a full 4x4 with normal sized gangs so people can get a real idea of how it plays. The demos at Mechanicon lasted like 5 minutes

What's not secure about the website? Seems to be working well for me, I was getting spambots a lot on my old phpbb message board, so I switched to wordpress and it forces people to answer a math question before they can register, and only registered people can comment, and all comments have to be approved by me, so I can make sure spam isn't getting added. I switched to Wordpress since I figured the blog software would work good for adding and maintaining articles and downloads and stuff like that.

Nice. I downloaded the rules, and am making my way through them.

Are you expecting to have any kind of campaign system for this game? Seems to be the only thing missing (ie advancement)

@Tabitha, there are a lot of Cowboy mini rules and minatures in the historicals arena: Cowboy Wars, Gutshot, Legends of the Old West, off the top of my head. Lots of companies make miniatures too (Artizan, Old Glory, Crusader). Check out The Miniatures Page.

That being said, there is always room for more rules, and I'm always on the lookout for cool cowboy miniatures as well (can never have too many).

Nice work Necros.

thanks And actually I'm working on a campaign add-on now. I had it in the book originally, but I left it out for the "release" version since I wanted to make things more balanced and make the game easy to just pick up & play.

And then I figured I'd make it an extra PDF download for people that want to do campaigns and leagues, etc.

But the basic idea is.. In campaigns, every model's attributes start with 1, and for every 5 xp a model earns it can add 1 point to any attribute. And gangs earn money after games so they can buy new weapons and equipment. So at first everyone will be using wimpy level 1 or 2 weapons and only rolling 1 or 2 dice to attack with, so it will be a lot tougher to take out your enemies especially if they're more famous than your gang. But if they, there's a Bully rule so everyone on the wimpier team will earn +1 xp no matter what, win or lose.

And then league play will be without all the XP earning and you'll use normal gang members like now, only your gangs have Fame limits.. so the first round of your league may have a 400 xp max which is good for a 5 man gang, then next week or month everyone can increase it to 500 xp and so on.

And both modes can be run by an optional Tycoon (GM) who everyone reports their wins & losses to. I'd love to eventually be able to offer a campaign & league tracker for players on the website, in addition to an online gang builder. Need to find a good & reliable PHP programmer who will work for minis

And then much later I intend to put together story-based campaign packs where there would be maybe 6 new missions all following a certain storyline, kind of like Dust Tactics does. I admit I stole that idea from them :p

Been working on my guys for a few weeks now.

The buildings are available over on Drivethrough, and other areas online.

I downloaded mine, took them to Staples, and have them enlarged, then tack them onto the foamcore posterboard.

As of now, I've been using Reaper, and am waiting on my Tombstone guys from Black Scorpion.

Have Gutshot, but your game is more streamlined for faster, easier builds and play.( Still use a bunch of thier background stuff, but the Blacwater game is more along the lines of Necromunda, with a pulse.)


Once again, Grats on the tight playing rules set, the good setup, and your vision on a fun game.

We'll be getting a few of your new guys when they get up and running.

( Only issues I am having are the 28- 32 heroic scale creep between companies cowpokes. No big deal, but they are a little distracting.)

Looks cool. Good luck!

Thanks

And yeah my whole idea from the start was to make a quick & fun game. I love me some 40K when I have 2+ hours to kill, but sometimes it's nice to play a quick & fun game that will have a real outcome and not just some turn limit where everyone still on the battlefield just turns around and goes home. So I've been aiming for the half-hour mark for most average games with 10 man gangs.. But also keeping it open ended so people can do really small gangs or really huge ones. Noting to stop you from having an army of 50 men per side instead of small gangs, if that's what you really want.

Greenstuff is being squished onto my first model as of this morning Though I may not have a finished product done and ready to sell until January just because of the time it takes to sculpt and then produce. First model will be a bouny hunter, and I have another sculptor who will be starting a Gambler soon. I want to get the 6 professions out of the way first, in the meantime the black scorpion figs and others will make great henchmen till I can get around to making my own

Thanks for the free rules. I haven't got all the way through yet, but I like it so far. Dressing like a cowboy and shooting old west style guns is something I do every weekend when I go out into the big blue room. I like having a game like this for my indoor hobby.

Say, now you've gone to release status, is it too late to submit corrections? There's still a bunch of typos scattered throughout what I've read so far.

Sure, corrections, suggestions, whatever you want .. it's all good. Since books are print on demand I can pretty much just fix whatever I need to and re-upload the files, then whoever buys the next book gets the one with all the fixes in it

So I don't mind fixing typos and stuff, but actual content I don't want to change much at this point, so people don't feel like they just bought an obsolete book. As far as adding extra stuff, I'll be handling all that as freebie add-ons that will be available on the site.

Got my first WIP photos of the Bounty Hunter!

He’ll come with a couple of weapon options. A Rolling Block rifle, a shotgun that can be a Coach Gun or Short Barrel for his right hand, and a tomahawk or bowie knife along plus a pistol for the left hand. The sculptor just has to finish some more details plus all of the weapons.

Nice looking Bounty Hunter!

Awesome!

The game is not really to my taste but it sure is looking good.

thanks gonna try and give him a few more weapons. Probably the longarm and shotgun for the left hand, and a pistol and tomahawk for the right hand and you can just pick the one you want him to have.. or get crafty with magnets if you want to be able to use all the bitz. And he'll also have a big bowie knife on his right leg and he's also got a holstered pistol on his left hip. So he's got weapons everywhere

Nice model, kudos on having more than one set of hand options available for it. Can't wait to see what else might pop up.

Yep what I hope to do is have a few different weapons with each model, so you always have different choices.. and if you get a few different models you can mix & match and add whatever you want.

I'm talking with a sculptor right now about getting a Gambler done, so he'll probably be my next model. More melee oriented, but he'll still have a gun on his hip at least. I want to get all 6 professions out of the way first, then I'll move on to henchmen, but those will be more like static mono-pose single piece models and I'll probably package em as 2 per blister.

Just wanted to share the concept sketch for the next figure, the Gambler. He'll come with 2 different pistols, a bowie knife, a tomahawk, and a hand full of playing cards (so you can use a teeny, teeny brush to paint em up to be 4 aces!)

Nice concept art! I especially like the smaller pistol, looks like something a gambler might have concealed somewhere.

Derringer and a hand of cards is the way to go with a model like that.

Looking great!

Thanks I will probably get him sculpted and then release both the Bounty Hunter and Gambler at the same time. The more I can cram onto a master mold the better since they're expensive.

Is it just me, or does something look *off* on the Bounty Hunter's face?
There's something weird looking in the leg proportions, too.

Love the gambler concept art!


Eric

Yeah the bounty hunter in the pics wasn't done yet, he's still working on a lot of the details and stuff like that, plus the photo is enlarged a bit. So it should look a lot better when I get the final piece.

Just heard back from one of the casting companies today that from when they receive the greens till I have metal in my hands ready to sell, it could be as long as 3 months due to all of the mold making and stuff, but restocks will be pretty quick after everything is set up. Maybe some other companies could be faster than others, but I'm guessing that it will take a while regardless. I was originally planning to just get these 2 models done and available, put em up for sale and then do a kickstarter to fund future models & recoup my starting costs. But with that kind of timeline, now I'm wondering if I should just go ahead and plan to do all 6 professions (2 per month) so there's no 3-month gaps in new releases. I still have a spare kidney I can sell in the meantime...

If you can afford it, I'd say go for it, it might work better that way when you start selling your first duo.

Here's some new terrain that looks pretty good and affordable.

http://store.gcmshop.com/category/127-the-wild-west.aspx

Cool thanks for the link, I'll check out some of their kits. I added them to the list on the site. Another great one I just found was Sarisa Precision, they're in the UK, but ship quick. They make some great laser cut wood kits, I just ordered a bunch but didn't get a chance to build them yet thanks to Skyrim. Only took about a week for me to get them here in the US.

Got some photos of the final green for the Bounty Hunter today! Pic is below. He will come with weapon options for a pistol (that could count as anything but a derringer really), a bowie knife, tomahawk, rolling block rifle and a small shotgun that could count as a coach gun or short barrel shotgun.

I’m going to wait until I get the Gambler done, and then I’ll send both off to the production company to make the models and models. It’ll save me a bunch of money if I can group up my models on 1 master mold, instead of doing just 1 model at a time. So going forward I’ll be planning to release 2 models at a time, hopefully 2 per month if all goes well, and then grow from there.

Looks great. Any idea how much each figure will retail for yet? I like that you're going with the seperate hand system. You'd mentioned before that you were going to try and expand into different settings in the future and I think you'll be able to re-use some of these guys by just releasing different sets of hands. Will you be packaging your models with GW-style bases or the rounded edge bases PP and Wyrd use?

At first I wanted the PP style bases, but I switched over to 40k style because they're 25mm/1" and I'm also planning a space hulk kind of board game that will have all 1" squares for movement so people don't have to measure things, so this way I can use all the same bases throughout.

But I have no idea what prices will be.. Have to wait until I get the models in the hands of the mold makers and see what each one will cost. What I'm really hoping for is $10 for a pack of 2 henchmen, and a little less for 1 professional. Could end up costing more or less, with how the costs of metal is always changing. I want to keep it as cheap as possible, will still being able to make a living at this some day


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Got another pic, this one is a size comparison with a space marine and a bolt action mini to show size/scale

Looks like I won't be able to get any new sculpts done till mid-late January due to scheduling, holidays, etc, so I'm just going to get the Bounty Hunter started and release him sooner, as my 1st model. Then I'll follow it up with the Gambler and Prospector or Doctor, so the next wave will be 2 models. And then hopefully follow that up with the last 3 professions and then move on to henchmen.

I missed you at mechanicon because i was playing in a WM tourney. You should totally make it out to a club day with the green dragons and demo it!

Yeah I can never make it to the game days anymore. Got myself one of those girlfriend things a while back and my saturdays belong to her now I'm always free sundays, but hardly anyone wants to play on sundays for some reason.

I'm hoping to do Dakkacon at Showcase in January, and then already signed up for Cold Wars in Lancaster in March.

Looks good! Reading through the rules now....

Quick update.. just finished the campaign add-on rules More of a preview/test version right now. I'll do an official nice looking version once I get some feedback and stuff.

http://blackwatergulch.com/blog/2011/11/campaign-add-on-rules/

Also expecting to get concept art for the Prospector and Doctor very soon Today or tomorrow hopefully.


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Looks like I posted too soon! Here's the Prospector concept art I'm going to see if I can afford to get him done same time as the Gambler, if not he'll have to come after. I also have art for the Doctor under construction, but not sure when I'll get that.

From the Army Painter newsletter:

Wild West at The Army Painter office

Couldn't help it - but we had to share with you our latest hobby installment here at The Army Painter HQ; Wild West.

Bo and Jonas each painted up a few gangs of cowboys, bounty hunters and other good-for-nothing gunslingers in a few hours and had a go at the free-download Western game: Blackwater Gulch, the next evening...

When the gun smoke cleared, the last man standing (i.e. last miniature left on the board!) was Bo's heavily wounded leader: Los Lobos Lips Raoul, after finally taking out Jonas' master gunslinger Lee van Cleef with a Bowie knife in close combat.

More gunslinger action to follow, including hobby painting galleries.

Congrats!

I just saw that too that was unexpected but super cool! I guess that's why I suddenly had a lot of people sign up to download the rules last night.

Bo was emailing be back when I first finished the rules and seemed to like it, but that was the last I heard. I'll have to send him a thank you model when I finally get em done. I have the bounty hunter green waiting for me at the post office, it was sent registered mail and I have to sign for it, but my lazy mail man won't bring it back. So I'll pick it up saturday morning and then get it shipped off to the production company.

Going to go with Iron Wind Metals, they do lots of great stuff.. Battletech, Malifaux, and a lot more. And they're not the 3-month guys so I'm hoping to have him available some time in January.

Wow, I did not know they did the Malifaux minis. So will they manufacture and package the models then ship them to you for you to distribute, or will they handle distribution for you?

They have a bunch of different options. They can just cast the models and send me the metal, and then I package & ship them to wherever all by myself. I think that's what they do for Malifaux. That gives me more control over the final packaging which is nice. And I when you're at the point where you're doing 1000's of models at a time, it's probably cheaper this way.

They also can package the figures in clamshell blisters with a full color paper insert, little foam square, etc. I can use their standard clamshells, or supply them with my own if I want something different. They can do box sets too, but I have to supply the boxes and any other printed materials I want to include, like quick start rules or whatever. But, they can shrink wrap em and bulk ship directly to wherever I want them to go, so they can send them right to distributors instead of shipping to me first, so that'll save me a bit on shipping for big orders.

Right now I'm kind of torn.. I won't need retail packaging right off the bat, but I will later. So, I could start out by just selling the model myself in a little ziplock bag which would save me a bit and also mean a lower price for the customer too, but then I'd have to do a small price hike when I do start retail packaging. I'd like to avoid any kind of price hikes though unless absolutely necessary, so I'm starting to think it might be better to just start off with the blisters and go from there. Even though all you want is the metal inside, I'll avoid headaches later.

I've been chatting with Mantic about using their plastic boxes for my starter sets which will come much later. Shipping the boxes here from the UK will be kind of higher than I would like though :( But, I like the boxes so I think it'll be worth it in the long run. I'm thinking the starter sets would be 1 of the profession models I'm doing now, plus 4 1-piece henchmen models, and it'll come with small quickstart rules and a sample gang roster that will have all of the stats and skill rules on it too and a little bit of fluff. So other than building & painting the models, you're ready to play right out of the box. And then you have your own little carrying case for the minis too when you're done.

Yukon Cornelius, is that you?



"Nothing!"

ha! Both him and Stinky Pete from Toy Story were pretty much my inspiration for the prospector

Looks great!

Got the Bounty Hunter green today Looks really great in person. The photos don't really do it justice. The weapons are small (but just the right proportions) .. they seemed like they'd be bigger in the photos.

I'll be shipping him off to get turned into metal on Monday, no idea how long it'll take to get the figures after that. I'm guessing I'll get my master models in a couple weeks, another couple weeks to get the metals all packaged up and ready to sell!

Here's a new pic I took, next to a Black Scoripion Tombstone mini and a GW cadian, and a shot with a ruler. I made this pic a little smaller, trying to get it to look "actual size"



What I decided to do, with these first few models that will have the optional weapons, is they will be labeled/sold as the gang leader models. So his name will be something like "Bounty Hunter Gang Leader", followed by "Gambler Gang Leader" etc. Then, later on, they'll be sold individually or packaged with 4 unique henchman figures in a starter set (so, 6 starter sets in all, 1 for each type of leader). And then you can count the henchmen as henchmen, or professionals too. Each starter will come with quick start rules and a sample roster sheet too.

Looking good. High hopes for you and the game, call me a fan


I'd like in on some of those mini's when they are ready.

Howdy Folks

Just a quick update... I recently got the master copies of the bounty hunter figure and all of his guns, and shipped a couple off to a painter who will be doing the "official" paint jobs to use for things like ads or box art, etc. Now production molds need to be made and the models get cast and packaged and then it will be ready to go. Everything is taking a lot longer than I thought, I'm learning the hard way just how long it can take to get 1 little product released. But, at least now I'll know and can plan ahead for next time. So right now it's looking like mid-late January if all goes well. Followed by the Gambler in mid-late Feb and the Prospector in mid-late March. I may be able to get the prospector and doctor together and plan to do 2 per month from then on.

Anyway, when all is said and done, it's looking like the gang leaders that have the figure and weapon sprue will all be $11.49. I have to admit that's higher than I hoped.. If I do the packaging myself I could save a bit, but with all of the shipping back and forth, printing, etc, it'll end up being roughly the same anyway in the end unless I can do like 10,000 copies at a time and I don't see that happening anytime soon. I thought about not packaging and just shipping out the model in a little ziplock bag, that would work for me selling off my website but that won't work for retail stores, meaning I'd have to raise prices later on. So I figured it would be better to just start with a nice looking finished product from the get go.

when I start doing henchman models, they'll come 2 per pack for hopefully the same price so 5 man starter pack I'm guessing will be around $35... but that's a ways off.

So now I just have some more waiting around to do, and pray that everyone I know gives me money for xmas

This looks rad. it's really good to see small projects like this getting off the ground, and it's great to have more skirmish games on the market.

Bounty hunter looks really good, too, looking forward to seeing one painted.

That price doesn't seem too far off for single piece hero models nowadays. I look forward to seeing the finished product.

Those prices seem reasonable to me. I'll probably pick some up for Legends of the Old West. Am I right in guessing they'd mix pretty well with Black Scorpion?

Yep they're pretty much the same scale as black scorpion. Maybe a MM or 2 taller in some cases but they're a great fit, in fact the folks at BS gave me permission to use photos of their models in the rulebook, etc, when I was first starting out so my game was originally based around them anyway. The figs from most other companies seemed smaller, but I prefer the size & bulk of 28-30mm heroic stuff. Guess GW spoiled me over the years

Just as an aside, got my Blackwater rules the other day, got my Black Scorpion order delivered just before Xmas and me and the missus have spent a couple of evenings gluing some Whitewater City papercraft buildings together. Just waiting on the desert mat to arrive from Hotz (and some cacti!) and I'm good to go.

Cool thanks for buying I love the whitewash city buildings. I'm still planning to one day put together a few building PDFs too that I'll just have for free to download, just to get some folks started if they don't have any good wild west terrain. Just haven't had the time to sit down and start doing it, but hopefully in the new year.

I was thinking of a basic store building with different skins with different store names for each one, so you can print out 3 or 4 and they might all have the same shape but they'll all have a different look.

This is a little spendy for a gaming table but it fits the time period.
http://www.wildwestmodels.com/Dons-Dry-Goods.html
Good idea builder anyway look in model train shops for inexpensive building of this type.

Yeah his kits look great. I've been wanting to get one or 2 but they're pricey. I emailed the guy that makes them and one reason I still didn't get any also is because the balconies and stairs are too small for a 25mm base, so you can't put models up there :(

Here's the concept art for the Doctor Gang Leader. I'm hoping to have him sculpted in February if all goes well, and released along with the Prospector in March. The doctor will have a Colt 45 in 1 hand, and a WInchester Repeater or Sharps Longarm in the other.

Also, the Gambler green is being sculpted right about now. I hope to have some preview pics to share in the next few days. The Bounty Hunter is coming along nicely and I hope to have the final model released in the next couple of weeks. I just need to get the pro-painted models and then the models will be cast and packaged and he'll be all set.

I've been hard at work designing a new website for the e-commerce software I'll be using to run the online store. It will basically be 2 different websites (the blog site and the store site), but both with the same look and everything linked together so no one gets lost. Here's a preview of what it'll look like

Looking good as usual!

The Gambler Gang Leader is finished! I'd like to call it a green, but this one happens to be gray.

His weapon options will be a Bowie Knife, Hand Axe/Hatchet, Colt 45 or other revolver, a Derringer pocket pistol, and an extra hand with a deck of cards for fun. Maybe you can count them as throwing knives?

In other news, the Bounty Hunter is finally in the home stretch, and if all goes well (famous last words) I hope to have him available in a week or so

Here's the gambler pics

Looks great!

Just signed up, read the rulebook, fantastic, can't wait to see more models!

Thanks The same guy that did the gambler will be starting the prospector in a couple of weeks. I may have to hold off on the doctor and have him come after.. need to start selling the bounty hunter so I can afford new sculpts But the doctor will be sculpted by the same guy that did the bounty hunter. I'm also talking with a couple of other sculptors too for other figs in the pipeline.

Also I have a new artist that will be doing concept art for most of the figures going forward now, so I'll have artwork done for the gunslinger & wrassler bosses soon plus 2 outlaws that will be my first 2-man blister. I want to get art done for every figure, to try and tie the same look & feel across the board.

I'm hoping by this time next year I'll have a healthy selection of minis out there and several new ones getting released each month... For this and other games I'm planning, all using the same ruleset.

I'm going to try out a game this weekend now that I have my buildings painted:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/425023.page

The Bounty Hunter Gang Leader is now available!



$11.49 (usd)

You can get him directly from my site at http://www.gangfightgames.com.

Some would call them a Jack or Jill of all trades, Bounty Hunters excel at catching a man dead or alive... Usually dead. To get the job done, they master of a variety of weapons and tend to be stronger than most. Some bring only criminals to justice, but most will go after any bounty that pays well enough.

Bounty hunters gain +1 Strength when first recruited. They are known to use a wide variety of different weapons, and to reflect this they may use equipment one level higher than their current Ranged or Melee Combat Attributes with no penalty. Additionally, If your Gang Leader is a Bounty Hunter, any friendly model within 12" of him may reroll their Morale roll if they fail.

This package includes 1 Bounty Hunter Gang Leader Body, 1 Bounty Hunter Weapon Sprue and 1 30mm round plastic base. The included weapons allow you to equip your Gang Leader with a Rolling Block Rifle (Longarm), Coach Gun (Shotgun), Colt 45 (Pistol), Bowie Knife or Tomahawk (1-Handed Melee).

The size and scale of the figure is compatible with most "28mm Herioic" miniatures, standing 30mm to the eye, 34mm to the top of his hat. Model supplied unpainted. Not recommended for children under 13. Made in the USA, from good old fashioned white metal.

Sculpted and designed by Pedro Ramos.

I saw the original of this model at DakkaCon I think, right? That and the previous green (gray) above look really good! I'm happy to have gotten the rulebook from you and will be keeping an eye on this

Let me know if you try "Bang!", I have a feeling you'll like it! It's like a card version of your game here (hence, not as cool, but about as fun as you can get with just cards).

Excellent news, looking forward to the Gambler too. Can you give a rough guide as to shipping costs to UK? It might not be viable for just one mini in which case it might be worth us here in the UK waiting until March when the Gambler appears and getting both in one go.

Yep, that was the guy I had in the blister on display. I actually had a painted version in my mini case that I forgot all about

And for shipping to the UK, it should be around $5. However, I just added a new release coupon code that's 15% off, that will make it like free shipping for the US and will also make a little dent in shipping elsewhere. I can't afford to do shipping everywhere, so I figured this was the best way to do it.

Nice! And yeah, shipping worldwide's a bear... so that definitely helps.

Necros wrote:Yep, that was the guy I had in the blister on display. I actually had a painted version in my mini case that I forgot all about

And for shipping to the UK, it should be around $5. However, I just added a new release coupon code that's 15% off, that will make it like free shipping for the US and will also make a little dent in shipping elsewhere. I can't afford to do shipping everywhere, so I figured this was the best way to do it.

Excellent stuff, will put my order in straight away - quick question, where do we find the 15% coupon? I didn't see anything in the recent newsletter; is it automatically deducted at checkout?

I had a little note on the store homepage and I just added it to the actual product info too.. use the coupon code NEWSTUFFS when you check out I'm going to plan to do that as a pre-order and new release sale kind of thing whenever I have a new model.


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Just had some orders for the UK and one for Denmark, both came to $3.78 for regular air mail. Not as bad as I thought it would be. I have to take them to the post office myself though :/

online shipping stuff only works with priority ($16) or Express ($30+). That's just stupidly expensive got 1 little mini

Necros, out of curiosity, what's the thought behind the pistol-grip rifle the Bounty Hunter is holding? I'm not familiar with too many rifles of that era with a pistol grip like that. Not trying to be a grognard, it just seems a little odd to me.

There were some rifles with pistol grips back then, but they just weren't as common. I have an old gun catalog from the 1890's and a lot of the rifles it has listed could be made to order like that.

In this case though, he's more like holding is shotgun off to the side and firing his pistol. It was hard to get the angle right so that the hand could be removable, without having to sculpt the shoulder stock onto the arm. The other rifle he's holding vertically.

I'm going to be putting together a magnetizing tutorial so you'll be able to see all the different weapon combos easier.

Edit: I'm a dummy, this was supposed to be a PM reply :/ But I guess I'll take the bump...

Howdy Folks

Long story short, I just reduced the price to $9.99 for the Bounty Hunter Gang Leader.

Here's the long story: So, the model was just released a few days ago, but it's been a fairly common complaint across the boards that the price was just too high for 1 figure. There's a few things that drove the price up, such as the weapon sprue, but mostly it's the fact that I had my production / casting company handle the packaging so I had to pay extra labor for that too. However, I now have all of the supplies needed to package everything myself, and that will cut my costs down a lot going forward.

My next miniature, the Gambler Gang Leader, will cost less because I'll be packaging myself, estimated at $9.99… but it didn't seem right to sell the Bounty Hunter for more so I decided to drop the price to match. This would really only effect my profits on the bounty hunter if I were selling to distributors, and that won't be happening for a while, so that's nothing I'm really worried about.

So, yeah, price dropped, and the NEWSTUFFS promotion is still valid unti the 15th too

Also, to thank the "early adopters" that paid the higher price for the bounty hunter, I'll be adding a store credit of $1.50 to your accounts, that you can use on a future purchase. I can do a paypal refund instead, if you prefer. Contact me if so!

You are a class act.

Jake

That gambler is pretty amazing.

Have to ask, are you likely to be doing any female versions?

Yes actually I have some ladies planned. My first gang member 2 pack will be "Outlaws" and it'll have a male and a female outlaw. I have an artist doing the concept sketches right now actually. I was also thinking of doing them instead of or after the prospector. I think since I have 2 gang leaders done it might expand my amt of minis if I start doing the 2 gang member packs. And really for my rules, you can use any model you want for your leader.

Also kind of wondering if it's a good idea to do the 2 packs or just sell each one separately.. no idea what they will cost though till they're sculpted, casted and weighed though. I was also thinking, if I sold separately I could do web deals where you can save a little if you buy 2 or whatever.

That sounds pretty good.

Me and the Fiancée are interested in picking up a cowfolk game, and your rules are pretty good (trailed using other minis, very fun and fast paced).

And I like the gambler, he is very kool

Thanks, and yeah I wanted to make games that were fast & fun and easy to learn, and only need like 10 models tops.. pretty much the opposite of GW

If you need a lot of figs, check out Black Scorpion, they're the ones I used all throughout the rulebook and they look pretty good. It will be a while till I have anywhere near that many models, but the bounty hunter and others are the same scale and all so they'll mix in together pretty good I was even thinking about selling their figs in my online store, so I have more to offer.. but with my limited funds I'm thinking I might be better off spending it to get my own stuff sculpted.

Some new updates. First, I decided instead of releasing 6 gang leader models, I'm going to focus on getting 2 "starter sets" sculpted. I have 2 leaders done now, so I'll be doing 8 single sculpts now. There will be an outlaw themed gang and a lawman themed gang. Lawman gang will have the bounty hunter leader, Prospector, Doctor and a Deputy and Ranger for henchmen. Outlaws will have the Gambler gang leader, gunslinger, wrassler, bandit girl and a drifter. Anyway, these starter sets will come with quick start rules and a gang roster so it's ready to play out of the box, but people can still make up their own gangs if they want. I'll still be selling each model separately too. I just want to have these 10 models set as my first main goal, then I'll start working on adding more figures and other starter sets for different themes like Mexicans or Indians, etc.

So, next on the sculpting block I have Patrick (same guy that did the Gambler) doing the Prospector, it'll be the gang leader concept, only without the extra hands. He'll have a miner's pick and a stick of dynamite, and I'll probably add in a pistol holstered on his hip.

Then I have the bandit girl henchman (henchwoman?) that will be sculpted by Igor "Brother Vinni", her concept is below Also have a gunslinger and wrassler concepts below too, these 3 will all be outlaws. And I have some more concepts coming in the next week or so. Might be updating the wrassler to have a gun on his hip or a shotgun over the shoulder. It's the old west, so everyone needs a gun, even the melee classes

Here's the Bandit


And the Gunslinger


And the Wrassler

Got some new artwork done that I'll be using for the rulebook and also these 2 guys will be flanking each side of the content area on my site, once I get the final versions in the next couple of days. They were done by Don Ellis Aguillo.

Here's the rough draft so far

These are some awesome minis you have here Necros. After my friends and I finish getting into Malifaux, I'll direct them to what you're doing with Blackwater Gulch. Another skirmish game should be right up our alley by then.

thanks

Malifaux has some nice minis that can work for wild west figs too Been wanting to check it out for a while now but never had the chance.

The whole Perdita gang is about perfect, as well as a few of the mercs.


Eric

Got some more artwork to share.

First, here’s 2 figure concepts from Shane Tyree. First is a lawman, a deputy that will be included in the forthcoming Vigilance Committee starter set. And also a masked Outlaw, making like he’s ducking behind some cover. He’ll be included in the Clancy Gang Starter Set which will be the first one. The Clancy Gang will come with the Gambler Gang Leader, Wrassler, Gunslinger, Bandit Girl and Masked Outlaw. But more on that later, here’s the pics





Next, Next, on my site I have these 2 big fellas on either side of the main content area, they’re an Outlaw and Lawman done by Don Ellis Aguillo. They’ll be part of the box art for the starters, and I’ll most likely get figures sculpted to match too. But here they are again, without getting cut off.



I’m in the process of lining up sculptors to get all 4 figures done for the Clancy Gang starter all done around the same time. So I’ll have more info to come real soon

You, sir, may have sold me on westerns.

Your site's blocked from my work, and that makes me sad, because I can't see the pics. : (
lol


Eric

Is Beasts of War blocked for you? they have the pics too and hosted on their site I think. I submitted it to Tabletop Gaming News this morning so maybe it'll be on there too in a little while.

http://www.beastsofwar.com/historical-battles/gangfight-games-blackwater-gulch-artwork/

Yes. BoW and TTGN are both blocked.
All these sites are classified as "game" sites. Those are blocked because, while we're free to peruse the web in our down time, we aren't allowed to play games... so, anything classified as "game" is auto-blocked, regardless of content.

Since I don't have a business need to visit any of the sites (LOL), it would be unwise to submit them as "work necessary" sites. : )

S'alright. I'll just have to wait and visit the thread from home.


Eric


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Ah.
Viewing from home.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice.


Eric

I just updated the PDF and Print-on-Demand rules.

I replaced old & boring fluff & background info with new stuff written by Jonathan Peace. The wanted poster on the first page, the town history and a short story called "Shootout at the Golden Coin". And I also have some of the new artwork mixed in too.

And some minor rules updates...

Preferred base sizes were changed to 30mm instead of 25mm, this is because the figures I'm making will all come with 30mm bases 25mm is still acceptable though.

For crowded targets, if your target has another model in his personal space, he's +1 to hit, max. No more adding +1 for each model. That was a little too over the top. So you can group up your models to make them a little tougher to hit, but there's still a chance to hit the other guy. And also if you shoot into melee combat, there's a chance you can kill your buddy instead.

Minor corrections to the Gold Rush mission. When you place gold chunks on the board, Defender starts and places 1 in the center, and then you take turns placing pieces 8" apart. Some people complained that it was too easy to place them in your starting areas. This way, even if you start in the center, you still gotta make it off the board dodging a hail of gunfire to keep your gold.

I removed the roster sheets at the back of the printed book, to make room for the new fluff pieces. This way the price of the book won't change, and it's probably easier for you to just download the roster sheet and print it out yourself instead of using the back of your printed book anyway. I do still have the color and B&W rosters in the PDF though.

I also removed the ePub version of the rules. Haven't updated it lately and there have been very few downloads anyway, and not only that but it doesn't work right on my Kindle Fire :( I'll look into this format again when I can figure out how to make it more compatible across the board, for now PDFs seem to work best. Also thinking about doing a plain text or "few images" PDF too, to be easier to read and print out for the folks that want that...

And that should do it for now

Got the first WIP shots of the Outlaw Gunslinger that will be in the Clancy Gang starter set (I need to come up with a cooler name than "starter set" ...)

Anyway, he's sculpted by Pedro Ramos. He still has to finish the left arm, tighten things up and give him his gun, and finish a few other details. Here he is so far



The other figs in the set are still on deck with other sculptors (Patrick Keith and Bob Naismith), but I expect (hope) to have them finished by the end of the month. But, between sculpting time, shipping, molding, casting, shipping, pro painting, shipping, printing box art and more shipping, it will probably be well into June before the first starter is ready for sale :/ Someone needs to invent teleporters...

Posse?

Eric

Well I dunno if they could all be a posse. Always thought a posse was more about lawmen types. And the Clancy boys are no good, dirty, rotten scoundrels.

Posse Pack sounds fun, but, that would also invite half the gamers out there to swap the O for a U and call it something else.

Can't argue about the "U for the O" idea.
I looked up posse for an exact definition (as I'd used in othre ways, besides the one you mentioned):

1. A group of people summoned by a sheriff to aid in law enforcement.
2. A search party.
3. A gang involved in crimes such as running guns and illegal narcotics trafficking.
4. Slang A group of friends or associates.

I don't really see where it would be grammatically incorrect (Barring the "U" thing LOL).

So, "Clancy Gang posse," etc.

Just a thought. At least it keeps the flavor of the game.


Eric

Maybe Possebox? hmm, nah. hehe

I was trying to think of something along the lines of "Khador Battlegroup", only wild west sounding. But maybe I don't need it.. Clancy Gang Box Set might just be good enough. The next will be the Vigilance Committee Box Set, Injun Tribe box set, etc. Since there's no factions in the game, my idea was to have each box set have a special theme or story, and you can just add whatever other models to it if you want a more custom gang. The sets will come with character cards, but I'll also have downloadable cards you can print out for other models or blank ones to make up your own.

Why even use "Boxed set?"
Personally, I think "The Clancy Gang, The Vigilance Committee and The Injun Tribe" sound just fine.
That said... you'll probably catch some flack about "The Injun Tribe."
: )


Eric

The last two definitions are probably more modern...

How about Pioneer kits? Or Frontier sets? Starter Crew?

Starter band? Starter Outfit?

Jake

I like Magickal Memories idea, drop the "box set" and just use the theme for each set.

yeah I guess that's the best way to go.. I'll just leave off the whole boxed set part... not really needed.

For the injuns, that's the working title Gotta find me an interweb armchair expert that can help me find a realistic sounding tribal name, that's also fictional, and easy enough for googlers to spell.

After that will be El Bandidos Mexicanos, and then I haven't decided what next. Will eventually get around to hillbilly moonshiners, old cooter's miners, soiled doves, gentleman's club, and any other stereotype I can come up with that's a good match. I'll also probably do a few different "cowboy" sets, all with a different gang name. But folks seem to be asking for indians and mexicans the most, so they'll be next on the list.

For the record: Banditos.
I'm sure you'd have double checked the spelling when you got to it, but I thought I'd get it in there for you now.

As for the Native Americans... [insert name]'s Braves. Something like, "Running Bear's Braves."


Eric

Hmm, I thought it was a T also, but I googled something like "Mexican Outlaws" and that's how google spelled it. Actually, I guess I should just ask Pedro, he's from Spain

I was thinking for the mexicans and the indians, I'd also use different profession names that mean the same thing.. like Pistolero instead of Gunslinger, Chief instead of Gang Leader, etc. Just don't know if that would confuse people though when just about every other gang out there will use the normal names.


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I have 2 new finished sculpts to share! First I have the Bandit sculpted by Igor (aka Brother Vinni), followed by the Gunslinger sculpted by Pedro Ramos. Both of these will be included in the upcoming Clancy Gang "starter set". I still have 2 more sculpts I'm waiting on, for the Wrassler who will be sculpted by Patrick Keith, and Masked Outlaw who will be sculpted by Bob Naismith. Those last 2 should be done around the end of the month. Anyway, here's the pics

Well, as usual, I'll have to wait until I'm home to see the pics. I'm sure they look good, though. Every other model has.

I think that, for clarity purposes, you should stick with common types for models. Don't change them for just one gang.
That said, there's no reason you can't use those ideas. I'm sure you could work in "Pistolero" somewhere. Same for "Chief."

Weird. Your post, re: bandido/bandito inspired me to look it up. Seems you're probably right after all. The English to Spanish lookup I did translated "Bandit" to "Bandido."
LOL "Fail One" for my High School Spanish teacher (it was something I actually worked on in HS Spanish).



Eric

I was actually just thinking that.. just in the name on the card, I was thinking I could do it like "Juan Valdez, El Pistolero" and then under it it'll just say he's a gunslinger.

I was going to wait till I got the pro painted pics of the bounty hunter and gambler, and then put their character cards up on my site, but I think I'll do the cards this weekend instead, just starting with the generic blank template cards and add separate characters in later. For the blank one it'll be a PDF with 2 cards on the page, front and back. You just cut it out and fold it in half to make the front & back of the "card", then just stick it in a card sleeve or whatever. Also doing a Photoshop template file for people that might want to make their own cards and add their own photos

Also thinking I may change things up in the Clancy Gang set, and have the bounty hunter leader in there instead of the gambler. Bounty hunter model looks more outlaw-ish, but the gambler fig is better dressed and looks more like the kinda guy who might join up with the lawmen.

Do you have a set size for your cards yet? If not, you should consider what typical sleeve sizes are out there. For example, it's easy to find one the size of a CCG card, but not so much for, say, Malifaux miniature cards.



Eric

Yeah, they say typical size is 2.5" x 3.5", and that's how big my Warmachine cards are. Fit's good in those 9-slot card pages.

So I have it laid out where the front of the card is the left half, and the right side folds over to be the back of the card. Stacked, I can fit 2 on a 8.5 x 11 page.. 3 cards is a teeny bit too tall :(

How's that?

Presuming 2.5 x 3.5 is the size BEFORE folding them in half:

The way I see it, is you go "landscape" with it, you should be able to get 3 side by side (10.5" total) and 3 High (7.5" total)..

So, really, I'm thinking nine should fit on a page, with the right page margins... or am I missing something?

Eric

you're right don't know why I had portrait stuck in my head, didn't do all the math. but yeah, I can get 4 foldy cards on the page if I do landscape.

And, I can get 9 single-sided cards on one page. I wanted to do it with the front and back together and then fold in half, since not everyone can print on the back and get it to line up right. I know my cheapy printer is different every time. But, I can easily set up a PDF with 9 cards, and just have the card backs as page 2. people can even leave the back blank if they want too.

My bad. I thought that 2.5 x 3.5 was the size BEFORE folding them in half. Yeah. In that case, you CAN'T get nine to a page.

Now that i can see the models... that bandit is AWESOME. I mean... I don't "do" Wild West (I'm watching this thread because I like the project you're doing, even though I'm not a Wild West fan), but that model REALLY calls to me. It's really well done, and I like it. A lot.
I can't say I'm so hot about the other, though. To me, and it might be just my perception vs. reality of how the hat's supposed to fit but, it looks like the hat sits too high on his head. Also -and it might be the lighting or something- it looks like his back poskets stick out too far.

You should have Igor do more of your models... and by "more," I mean ALL OF. : )

I'm really liking where this is going.

Eric

Wow! The new models are great!

Thanks

And, here's a sample of what the printable cards will be like



That will be a sample character, and the blank outlaw/lawman cards will just not have any info on them, and I'll use the color artwork where the photo is.

This is also how the printed cards will look, that come in the box sets, they'll have a photo of the pro-painted model and all the info for the weapons, etc.

I found this company, GotPrint.com where you can print out custom trading cards, so I'm gonna be going with them instead of doing a big full sheet of cards like they do traditionally. This way I won't need to have boxes of 10,000 cards taking up half my condo

Looks great.

You may want to also make a print friendly version without the color background,

Hmm, didn't think of the print friendly card. my idea was to make it so you could print these out yourself, and they would look like the printed cards that come with the box sets. But, yeah, I can easily make a plain B&W version too.

I'll have the cards up on the site later today


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Also.. starting to wonder about the figures for the starter sets.. would it be better to have one of the gang leader models in there, or 5 single sculpts? And then I'd just sell the gang leaders separately like now.. Might make the starter sets a couple bucks cheaper that way, and then folks can buy the starter and I'll have those extra figs for sale if they want to add them in too.

Thinking I'd use the color artwork that I got done for the concept art for those 2 extra figs, and just have the sculptor make the pose be more action packed than just standing there.


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Cards are all done Added to the rules download page. Also, I removed the "you have to signup for my blog first" thing for downloading the rules. Anyone can download now

http://blackwatergulch.com/blog/blackwater-gulch-preview-rules/

You know... I actually think that's a GREAT idea. You could offer a 5 pack of models as a box, then offer the leaders separately. From a gamer perspective, if you buy a box or 2 of models and one of each leader - or just the ones you are interested in, you could build a gang or 2 and still have the ability to switch it up alot by swapping out the leaders.

I thik that's an excellent idea.


Eric

I hope to see all this at Cold Wars. Will you be running demos there?
Will you be in the Dealer hall?

I just emailed Brother Vinni to see if he could do 1 more figure for me, I think it'll be better with 5 single sculpts The box will still get 1 leader, 2 professionals and 2 henchmen as far as the character cards go, but if you make your own gang you can use the figs for whatever you want them to be.

For Cold Wars, I was planning to go but somethings came up so I'm not able to make it this weekend after all. I'm looking for other cons in the general area that will be good for running demos. Right now I'm not sure what's out there. I won't be able to do the major ones like GenCon or Adepticon this year, but I'm planning to next year.

Got another new sculpt to share, here's the Masked Outlaw, sculpted by Bob Naismith. He's technically a WIP still, as I neglected to tell Bob that the game uses slotted bases, so he's gotta go take off the sculpted bottom base and turn it into a tab. I had Bob change the pose a teeny bit, changing the arm positions. In the concept art, he's got both of his hands down. Also, his left hand will be easy to snip off and swap with a weapon hand for folks that want to do conversions.

Still waiting on the Wrassler and a new Outlaw sculpt that will be based on the color artwork I had done recently.

Here's the pics, they're small, but you can see every angle



In other news, I should finally have the Gambler figures in hand on Monday, then I'll start packaging them and they'll get listed on my site as pre-orders. I won't advertise them all over for sale until I get the pro-painted pics from Golem, so that'll be a few weeks from now. Pre-orders will be shipped out right away though, I guess more like a pre-release or something like that He'll be on sale 15% off as usual, until 2 weeks after he's officially released. So, price will be $8.49 till then

I like that one a lot. Very cool pose.

Agreed. Nice pose there.

Eric