So I have been playing 40k with friends since the late 90s, but I took a big hiatus about 6 years ago when I left for college. Before I left, I started painting a PCS and two squads of Cadians to look like confederate soldiers in the ACW, just for kicks. Fast forward to now, and I have been slowly getting back into the game, and since 5th Edition was quite new to me, I wanted to build a new army to run alongside my rather large Interstellar Marine Expeditionary Unit IG force. So I figured hey, I live in Virginia, why not expand on the Confederate Army concept? So this P&M blog (my first) will be a look at how that army comes together. If you would like to check out the army list thread I started to get help with a 5th edition list, check it out here. As I am currently finishing my thesis, and hoping to have a real big boy job come January, this might be a very slow process, so bare with me.
This company will either be based off of the 33rd Virginia Regiment of the Stonewall Brigade, or the 8th Virginia Regiment (which was raised, in part, from my home county) that fought in Garnett's brigade during Pickett's charge at Gettysburg.
First, lets start off with the Artillery (heavy weapon teams). The carriages are from Spencer Smith Miniatures. They are 30mm scale, and I think are the perfect size. The detail on them is very low, but they also don't cost $10+ a piece like the nicer ones do.
Lascannons. Basically the 12pdr Napoleon of the 41st Millennium
Missile Launchers, with green stuff to make them look like 10pdr Parrott rifles. My very first green stuff job btw. I think it turned out rather well.
Autocannons. I guess either 6pdr or Whitworth rifles.
Some of the officers, standard bearers, and customs figures:
Company officer in the center, platoon officers on either side
Regimental Standard Bearer, with some Perry Miniatures plastic kit bitz thrown on there.
Sergeants with melta bombs and power weapons
"Counts as" ratlings (confederate sharpshooters). The missing heads are because I am waiting for some 28mm ACW heads to show up.
Veterans squad. Hopefully I'll get some slouch hats on there.
30 man blob with PCS. Hoping to get some heads on there with slouch and kepi hats.
Army as it stands now. The figures in the left background are left overs from the organization process, including the old standard bearer from 6 years ago. The new standard bearers will get nice 28mm flags, probably from GMB Designs.
Cool tents from Perry Miniatures to fluff up the battlefields
Things to look for in the future: A General Jackson model that will be "counts as" Creed, including Lt Sandie Pendleton as Kell.
Rough riders based on the Perry Miniatures ACW calvalry plastic kit.
Infantry blobs kit bashed with Perry Miniatures ACW infantry plastic kit, and heads from Steve Barber Models. 13inch Seacoast mortars that "counts as" the Heavy Mortars features in the Forgeworld Death Korps of Krieg army list, and maybe in the future an earthshaker cannon on carriage modeled with a 100pdr Parrott Rifle Astropath modeled as a signal corp flag operator / Officer of the Fleet modeled as a Confederate naval officer / Master of Ordinance modeled as a Confederate artillery officer / maybe a medic modeled as a 19th century surgeon with hacksaw.
28mm Civil War scenery including trees, houses, bridges, split rail / worm fences, stone walls, and maybe some entrenchments.
Paint. Lots of paint...
If I have the time/money and all goes well with this army, a Union themed counterpart (I can totally see an Apocalypse game where North and South must join forces to defeat a Chaos/Necron invasion, aka my brother).
Feel free to post criticism, critiques, compliments, concerns, and questions.
Cool, watch with using the same heads on most of a squad. It can look too regimented.
You probably want to check out the DKoK on the FW website. They are basically meant to look like future-y Prussian/WW1 Reichswher so they have their Lascannons, autocannons, etc. on carriages. Have a nose about. If nothing else it may give ideas. I'll watch this however.
Thanks for the kind words guys.
I hope the Steve Barber heads will work out pretty well, because the plastic Perry kits aren't turning out to be too compatible. The Perry kits have separate hats, so you can choose between kepi and slouch, but they are a bit too small for the GW heroic scale models.
Yeah, I suppose there are some people who might take offense, and for that I apologize. I just hope they realize there is a back button in the top left corner of the screen, and don't feel the need to waste everyone's time with a historical debate. If people really feel the need to criticize me, please do it over PM. Just know that I'm not a racist or a redneck. I just like American Civil War history, and I live in Virginia...
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Assembled Parrott rifles:
First start on the rough riders (trying to figure out what the left arms will be, and still waiting on heads):
Cool theme. I was thinking of doing a Union theme IG army like two years ago but lost all the Sites for bits. Thanks for embedding the links to some of the sites. might have to go back and ting of that army again. lol
looking sweet, and i assume since your using them that those perry miniature heads are the same size as gwig heads, right? as i think they look great but dont want to buy them if they dont fit
Rogue Wolves wrote:looking sweet, and i assume since your using them that those perry miniature heads are the same size as gwig heads, right? as i think they look great but dont want to buy them if they dont fit
They should be smaller, more to scale with real life
Although you could say that they're all mutated and have slightly smaller heads the the rest of the (big headed) imperium
looking sweet, and i assume since your using them that those perry miniature heads are the same size as gwig heads, right? as i think they look great but dont want to buy them if they dont fit
Well the one head that I am currently using (the one on the standard bearer) is from the Zouave command sprue. The heads from the actual infantry and cavalry boxed sets are not separate. Only the hats are separate, so you can choose between kepi and slouch hats. Those hats are just a bit too small to fit on the IG heads. I might be able to cut off the heads and use them, but I am waiting for the Steve Barber separate heads to show up so I can see how well they work first.
I take it your a history major?
Engineer actually but my dad was a history major. Spent a lot of family vacations at civil war battlefields.
Where in VA are you? I got family in the hampton roads area.
I'm actually finishing up school in Norfolk, but I'm originally from the Northern Virginia area.
So still waiting on the Steve Barber heads. They are in route, just haven't shown up yet. So not much work has been done lately.
But I did put together some of the Perry 28mm plastic figures. They are definitely a bit smaller in scale than the GW stuff, but could make a decent conscript/militia squad.
Hopefully more updates come Thanksgiving...
Fantastic heavies.
The cavalry is looking about right too.
Could add 45deg shields on top turret for Chimera so they can get into the action, maybe make them look more like trains?
You really could go wild with this.
Look at the civil war sniper rifle: 25 pound H.C. Leman Civil War sniper’s rifle. Scope was as long as barrel.
fun stuff anyway.
Well Done!!!
Thanks for the kind words guys. I'll try not to let you down when it comes time to paint all this It's been a while since I painted miniatures.
I just hope the Steve Barber heads work out. You should have an update on that come Thanksgiving.
Fun fact of the day: My parents are off in Italy on vacation, and apparently my dad ran into Stephen Lang at one of the museums. For you civil war fans, Stephen Lang played General Picket in the movie Gettysburg, and General Jackson in the movie Gods and Generals (and for you non-civil war fans, you would know him as the Colonel from Avatar).
I am really, really liking the look of the models. I think your army is going to have a lot of character to it and thats what I like to see. Keep up the good work sir!
I really like the way this is going! I'm from Texas & love anything nostalgic about the war of northern aggression. Oh & to anyone who tries to hate, the confederate flag is anything but racist, slavery was only a part of the whole thing, it was more about about the empowerment of states over the federal government & DC being too powerful (which is where we are today) the demand for the release of slaves to a culture whose entire industry was based around slave labor was the straw that broke the camels back proverbially. For the record, Jefferson Davis (president of CSA) & Robert E Lee (commander in chief of Army of CSA) had both acknowledged the real need to emancipate the slaves if they wanted to be recognized as a sovereign nation by the world powers & had intended to do so upon the end of the war.
So to that I say, keep up the good work, this is (in my mind) no more controversial than the armies based around the wehrmacht that people seem to do frequently.
I think this might interest you. i found this while browsing then Inter Webz.
Thanks for that. I did actually come across those a while ago when I was first looking for ideas, but there were only 4 usable poses for me and they were a bit on the expensive side. I also wanted something with proper slouch hats as well as kepi. If the Steve Barber heads turn out to be too small, I might end up going with these since I know they will fit properly.
Red_Starrise,
I appreciate the support and I do agree with you, but I'm really trying to keep this thread about the models and to hopefully avoid any historical arguments. You may be right, but it's just something that could start the argument that I really don't want to see right now, so please keep that in mind. Thanks.
1. Is Parrot ML also muzzle loader?
2. you need a drummer for each command section.
3. I'm not sure who in the Southern army wears denim trousers, Line Inf? or Militia?
4. What is a 'flesh arm' components do you use to convert a Cadian shock troops powersword arm by replace the bionic ones?
I think this might interest you. i found this while browsing then Inter Webz.
Thanks for that. I did actually come across those a while ago when I was first looking for ideas, but there were only 4 usable poses for me and they were a bit on the expensive side. I also wanted something with proper slouch hats as well as kepi. If the Steve Barber heads turn out to be too small, I might end up going with these since I know they will fit properly.
Red_Starrise, I appreciate the support and I do agree with you, but I'm really trying to keep this thread about the models and to hopefully avoid any historical arguments. You may be right, but it's just something that could start the argument that I really don't want to see right now, so please keep that in mind. Thanks.
It's unavoidable. Someone has to post the obiligatory revisionist history blurb complete with self serving name change for the war. I'm not a fan of these types of armies in general (although they're not even close to as odious as the Nazis in Spaaaace! ones) but you are indeed doing some nice conversions. If you want to not offend some people (regardless of whether or not you think they should be offended), I'd suggest hinting at the southern Civil War theme instead of blatantly displaying the flag. Keep the figs, period conversions, and grey color scheme but at least come up with your own flag design that incorporates elements of the 40k Universe into it. Maybe horizontal stars and bars with the same colors but an aquila? You're taking 40k figs and adding civil war stuff to them so why not take the civil war flag and add 40k stuff to it? That would be much more thematic and less troublesome in the end for you (especially as the modelling is quite nice).
And you shall soon I have some paint and washes inbound so can hopefully paint up some test figures while I'm home. Also the sea coast mortars and Steve Barber heads should already have shown up. I get home Tuesday night so I will probably spend Wednesday working on this.
This is brilliant. Where did you get the horses for the rough rider models?
They are Perry Miniature ACW Calvary will the upper half of the rider cut off and replaced with Cadian parts.
i like the camo on the cadian
He's one of my veterans from my rather large Interstellar Marine Expeditionary Unit army I have Almost at 3000 points with that one, all painted in in the old US woodland pattern. To give you an idea of when I started that army, that was before MARPAT became the standard Marine issued camo. I kinda want to go back and repaint everything MARPAT but that would take a loooooong time.
Is Parrot ML also muzzle loader?
I guess it technically could be... I just wanted to make it look like a parrott rifle while still using the GW weapon so that people would understand what it was.
you need a drummer for each command section.
I had some ACW drummer bits from Perry I was messing around with, but they didn't seem to work out all that well. We'll see, I'm going to keep trying.
I'm not sure who in the Southern army wears denim trousers, Line Inf? or Militia?
Denim trousers? Not really sure either, why?
What is a 'flesh arm' components do you use to convert a Cadian shock troops powersword arm by replace the bionic ones?
You mean how did I give my sergeants power weapons? I bought a bunch of bionic arm power weapon bits, and cut the power weapon off of the arm. I cut the chain sword off the normal Cadian sergeant arm and replaced it with the detached power weapon. Just requires a steady hand.
come up with your own flag design that incorporates elements of the 40k Universe into it. Maybe horizontal stars and bars with the same colors but an aquila? You're taking 40k figs and adding civil war stuff to them so why not take the civil war flag and add 40k stuff to it? That would be much more thematic and less troublesome in the end for you (especially as the modelling is quite nice).
I live in Virginia, so I don't expect much trouble but that's actually a really good idea. I mean, the Cadian regimental flags already look like Confederate Battle Flags... But I'm not sure I even want my army to be a part of the Imperium yet, so we'll see....
I realize you disagree with the theme, but thank you for at least keeping your post productive.
That flag looks great! I'd probably even add extra aquila for a total of two in each corner diagonal to it to mimic the stars in the bars. Finally, I'd probably recommend changing the number of the regiment (possibly to one that was from Virginia historically) as the Cadian VIIIth has a long and established history in the fluff.
Well it wasn't my flag. I just searched for Cadian Regimental Flag and found that. It's a print of what the Kell model carries. I wouldn't mind having something like that, but then it would be a Cadian regiment :\ I'd have to make it different somehow.
And ironically enough, the 8th Virginia regiment was my top choice for this army...
But seriously, does anyone else see a similarity between the Cadian flag and the Confederate Battle flag or is it just me?
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I think it looks kinda cool actually
I do see the similarity (which is why I actually thought you made up the cadian one on the fly to resemble a confederate one). As someone who isn't hot on the idea of confederates in spaaace!, I'd probably recommend grimdarking the flag a bit more in the center. Maybe a large skull, a variant of the aquila, or even the cadian castle symbol would work. At the moment, it's a bit too confederate for me personally.
warboss wrote:I do see the similarity (which is why I actually thought you made up the cadian one on the fly to resemble a confederate one). As someone who isn't hot on the idea of confederates in spaaace!, I'd probably recommend grimdarking the flag a bit more in the center. Maybe a large skull, a variant of the aquila, or even the cadian castle symbol would work. At the moment, it's a bit too confederate for me personally.
Incidently I agree, it could do with some more Grimmdarking.
I just quickly browsed this army and fell in love with it. Very Crisp and well planned out. As someone else mentioned early on, There was another Confederate army that came under heavy critism, but people need to get over it, seriously.
I love how you pulled off your heavy weapon teams, and then tents are a great touch.
Someone else mentioned getting a drummer for each squad. I like that suggestion. As well, you may look at getting Brin Milo from Gaunt's Ghosts. He'd make a neat and appropriate addition to your army. So long as I'm thinking about it, maybe a Death Corp of Krieg Commissar mounted on HorseBack from Forge World?
I'm not sure if you have already mentioned it or not, but are you considering any Vehicles for this list? I think you're better off (Theme wise) without them, just load up your heavy weapons, but if you do want some extra punch, a few Basilisks might fit in.
Truely great stuff, I hope to see a lot more of it.
Do you have a plan for any 'helepolises'?, and will you use Death Korps of Krieg heavy mortar (for rules), and will you use Empire siege mortar artillery piece too?
How difficult would it be to replace the Perry Rifles with Lasguns? Really liking the style of the cannons as well. I've got vague plans to do a similiar theme guard army at some point.
Do you have a plan for any 'helepolises'?, and will you use Death Korps of Krieg heavy mortar (for rules), and will you use Empire siege mortar artillery piece too
Not sure what you are referring to with the "helepolises." The only helepolis I know of is an ancient siege tower. I plan on using the published Death Korps rules for the heavy mortar, but without using the special Death Korps rules for the men themselves, such as hardened fighters, die hards, and WS4. I'm staying away from the Empire siege mortar as they are not period correct. I will be using TA Miniatures sea coast mortars instead. I have linked to them in the original post.
How difficult would it be to replace the Perry Rifles with Lasguns?
Very difficult. The rifles themselves are molded into the body on most of the poses, and would take some careful work removing. A dremel might actually be a good tool for that one.
I also feel like lasguns would show the scale difference a little too drastic as well. I'll see if I can mock one up and take a pic when I get home.
Do you have a plan for any 'helepolises'?, and will you use Death Korps of Krieg heavy mortar (for rules), and will you use Empire siege mortar artillery piece too
Not sure what you are referring to with the "helepolises." The only helepolis I know of is an ancient siege tower. I plan on using the published Death Korps rules for the heavy mortar, but without using the special Death Korps rules for the men themselves, such as hardened fighters, die hards, and WS4. I'm staying away from the Empire siege mortar as they are not period correct. I will be using TA Miniatures sea coast mortars instead. I have linked to them in the original post.
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1. Helepolises refers to any form of primitive 'tank'. yes one of the earliest application of cannons are to mount ones on the siege tower but too bad, this kind of Renaissance Helepolises aren't popular in Europe.
Da Vinci himself did design his very own Helepolises, (and it has a very advanced concepts for that kind of weapon!)
The British Rhomboid tanks are initially designed to be a modern helepolises. designed to cross trenches and No man's land and breakthrough enemy trenches and fortresses, by that time, speed is a luxury for that kind of warfare. the actual Greek Helepolis itself is designed that way.
Given that the homeworld your IG army hails from had access to any kind of automotive engines. you can also build that kind of weapons.
ok. it's actually 'Tank'. to some extent. it is Leman Russ.
2. OK. got it. Empire mortars are really renaissance Howitzers. 'cos each have thin barrels. the actual mortars used since Renaissance until the First World War have a very thick barrel.
Will you take Coehorn mortars for your HW section too?
No "Helepolises" in the ACW, so none for me. Infantry only army.
Will you take Coehorn mortars for your HW section too?
I thought about it, and even found some good miniatures for it, but since mortars are not currently that effective in the game, I decided to keep my points for better HWS. Cannons are more associated with ACW than Coehorns are anyway, and I have two 13inch sea coast mortars to fill the siege role.
Will you take Coehorn mortars for your HW section too?
I thought about it, and even found some good miniatures for it, but since mortars are not currently that effective in the game, I decided to keep my points for better HWS. Cannons are more associated with ACW than Coehorns are anyway, and I have two 13inch sea coast mortars to fill the siege role.
Mr. Cuddace snubbed Mortars in the 5th edition codex mew!
we need another decades till someone made it worth using.
And what will you use for Earthshaker artillery? Dahlgren?
Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Looks like the Steve Barber heads are going to work out just fine
Did some wash testing on one of the figures I painted 6 years ago. I think soft body black is too dark, so I'll track down one of their grey washes. I also tried blue black on one of the legs.
Wow. I'll definitely be checking back in on this plog, periodically. Conversions so far are incredibly clean (partially due to good bit selection - rather hard to muck up a head swap on a multi-part model ) and the army is still recognizably IG (and HWs are distinct and identifiable), while positively dripping period character. As someone with no particular ties to, or even much interest in, the Civil War, I'm really happy you started (and documented so nicely ) this force. It's great to finally see someone tackle it from a historical angle and not only lack an apparent agenda in his representation of the army, but actively request that discussions about such topics stay out of the thread. I'd doff my hat to you, were I wearing one (and you could actually see me).
A friend of mine is a historical wargamer (mostly Napoleonics, I believe) and an ACW (among other periods) reenactor - I think I'm going to have to link him to this thread.
Drummers. Will be used as Ministorium Priests, one for each blob.
Another flag bearer for the CCS. He'll have a Virginia state flag. No special rules there, its just that each regiment had a battle flag and a state flag. I'll probably give him a slung rifle though.
Finished Rough Riders squad (one dude still needs his arm).
And finally, Stonewall Jackson He even has his customary hand held above his head, and wrapped because of a wound suffered at First Manassas. The head was cut from one of the gunners of the sea coast mortars, the arms are from the Demolisher tank commander, and the torso is from the Cadian command squad.
So whats coming up?
Swapping the heads of the infantry blobs to Steve Barber heads
Building 30 artillery gunners (HWS and mortars)
Building 5 more rough riders
Converting Kell
Hopefully getting some painting done.
Are there any good basing tutorials on creating a forest floor / east coast fields effect? Simply throwing on some green flock/grass just isn't going to do for these guys...
1. Does he wears blue jeans (AKA Denim) trousers?
paints you used for this trousers please.
2.
do you plan to add unmounted carriage wheels into scenery piece for this Siege Mortar??
(possibly) a 13" siege mortar on railroad carriage.
I wonder without wheeled carriage, what is its transport mode while marching?
Uniforms were typically made of wool. Grey jackets and light blue paints were common for southern troops. There will also be some browns and butternuts.
paints you used for this trousers please.
Those were Tamiya paints I had laying around. The figure was painted years ago, I was just testing some of the new washes on them. The blue is actually the Secret Weapon Blue Black wash on top of Tamiya Grey paint. The washes in the photo are much darker than I wanted.
do you plan to add unmounted carriage wheels into scenery piece for this Siege Mortar??
No, mortars would not be mounted with wheels on the field. The Forge World rules also stipulate that the mortars are immobile unless towed by a tractor (which I will not have).
I wonder without wheeled carriage, what is its transport mode while marching?
They would be transported typically by boat (sometimes rail), brought ashore, and then manhandled into place.
Actually I can help with the basing. Those reeds are probably paint brush bristles (cheap coarse decorating brushes are perfect for this) and shockingly enough the twig is a twig.
Those reeds are probably paint brush bristles (cheap coarse decorating brushes are perfect for this) and shockingly enough the twig is a twig.
Oh that's slick. Can you prime/paint real wood like you would plastic or metal? I feel like a legit twig in its natural form would be to "real" for a miniature.
I was thinking coating the base in sand, painting it like dirt (dark brown base with lighter brown highlights), then adding some static grass in patches. I could then add large rocks or tall grass to accent. Think that would work? Any other cool tips or tricks? Any idea how to make dead leaves for the ground?
I paint the sand. A dark color and usually 2 highlights. It really helps bring out the colors on the models. Static grass is great too. At least thats what I think.
First off, nice conversions and very original, don't let any blue belly yankee scum tell ya otherwise!
and as to basing, sand with a few chosen pebbles for rocks looks great on a base, just place them before undercoating the model, and drybrush in desired tones, I usually use a light grey, and as for leaves...heres my secret ingredient
Tea leaves, just get some tea bags, cut em open and sprinkle on the base, makes pretty convincing deadleaves, ground clutter.
and static grass is excellent, it available in many seasonal tones, check the model railroad sites or your local hobbytown USA.
I love this so much. While the out-and-out non-GW minis are way too small, they seem to kitbash pretty well. You might want to GS your perry parts a little thicker, though, so that they go to scale properly.
And I LOVE the heavy weapons, especially turning the missile launcher into a 3-pounder.
Tea leaves, just get some tea bags, cut em open and sprinkle on the base, makes pretty convincing deadleaves, ground clutter.
Brilliant sir! And that's one thing I have plenty of around the house...
I love this so much. While the out-and-out non-GW minis are way too small, they seem to kitbash pretty well. You might want to GS your perry parts a little thicker, though, so that they go to scale properly.
That's a bit beyond me. I don't plan on using the non-GW minis (Perry Minature plastics). Maybe keep them around as militia for apocalypse games... Dremeling out the old three band muskets and putting in some lasguns would be cool though...
Most likely I'll throw em in close formation on some plasticard, paint em up, and put em on my shelf to look pretty...
And I LOVE the heavy weapons, especially turning the missile launcher into a 3-pounder.
Many thanks (but they are actually 10pound Parrotts )
My Kell model. I tried to follow the pose of the original pretty closely. He'll be holding a regimental standard in his power fist hand, I just need to get the right size plastic rod. Note the bugle replacement for his loud speaker.
Slung rifle on the standard bearer:
Idea for a socket style bayonet. Think it looks ok?
And finally, I got around to painting a model. I think it turned out pretty well, the pants are just too dark a blue to be period correct so I need something lighter. Any critics or criticisms?
i think the best wash would be ogryn flesh although changing you skin color paint might help, as it is a bit too pinkish, maybie mixing in a little bit of dheneb stone?
BaronIveagh wrote:I suppose it puts a new spin on 'traitor guardsmen'...
It sure took a long time, but the south did rise again, i guess...
Overall these look really good, nice blend of 40k and confederate. I will echo the recommendations of washes. If your on a budget, skip purple and just use devlan.
I'm running Secret Weapon flesh wash over Model Master acryl skin tone warm. It's the only flesh paint I had laying around... Most of the paint I have laying around is Tamiya acrylics, but I'm hoping to switch to Reaper once I get some money. I'm a bit new to this highlighting thing, so I need practice. Hopefully the models will improve in time . Thanks for the advice though. I'll try lightening the skin a bit next time.
Well done man, these officers look the part for sure, I like the other parts of the army too, Very well themed. The mold lines could use a cleaning though, i recommend cleaning them up before doing too many layers of paint.
The mold lines could use a cleaning though, i recommend cleaning them up before doing too many layers of paint.
Yeeeaaahhh, I will admit to being lazy when it comes to prepping models before painting. The nicer guys will get mold lines removed and gaps filled, but the line infantry will not get any special treatment.
Merry Christmas guys. Hope there were plenty of GW and other assorted modeling products under the tree/menora/whatever
As for me, I got enough money to pick up a few Reaper paints, so I'm going to hold off any major painting until I get those in.
I got some work to do for some prospective jobs I'm looking at for the future, so I'll probably be kept pretty busy for the next two weeks. Hopefully I'll get the more mundane conversions out of the way (cannon crews, head swaps, bayonets, more rough riders, etc) before the paint shows up. Keep an eye out for more updates, and hopefully I'll have this army wrapped up here relatively soon.
Cheers
Oh, one question. The green stuff bayonet didn't work. The glue wouldn't take, and it was way to flexible to accept paint. Any other ideas on how to make socket bayonets? It would be nice to get an actual triangle blade on the end, but I can't find any triangle rod small enough. Anyone have any idea where to source some, or other things that might work as well?
I need tutorials on grass flocks thing. which glues do you use for it? PVA or Cyano-Acrylate? or something else?
is this an accurate expressions of Confederacy infantrymen? aren't there any standing army? each infantrymen in the same unit doesn't wear the headgear of the same designs and colours (but they looked alot like 30-years war musketeers) . unike the union troops (which looked alot like european standing armies).
one of every ten or twenty infantrymen wear hard leather trousers rather than blue denim (??)
Well you have to understand, the movie Gettysburg used many different reenactor units that supplied their own uniforms (usually made from the wrong kind of material). God and Generals did a much better job with uniforms and is worth watching for that.
Southern troops were usually dressed much more consistently then portrayed in movies and such. Uniforms were standardized soon after the battle of first Manassas (prior to that many southern troops actually wore blue uniforms) and were manufactured in both the south and Great Britain. The butternut color you sometimes see is a result of poor dyes being used and fading in the sun. Light blue trousers or gray trousers were worn depending on the regiment and year, with uniform changes taking place over time. Uniforms were also made out of cotton, not denim.
As for static grass, all I use is some Elmer's glue (I suppose any PVA glue would work) and a dedicated brush. Paint the glue on (not to thick or it will run, but not too thin or you'll be loosing your grass over time), then I sprinkle the grass on top. I then turn the model upside down and tap the bottom of the base so that the grass will stand upright and the extra grass falls off. Make sense?
dude, you are awesome! I love themed armies, and yours is a really good one! I really like the cannons, and the gunline dudes look awesome too. Keep it up!
KillerAngel wrote:
Southern troops were usually dressed much more consistently then portrayed in movies and such. Uniforms were standardized soon after the battle of first Manassas (prior to that many southern troops actually wore blue uniforms) and were manufactured in both the south and Great Britain. The butternut color you sometimes see is a result of poor dyes being used and fading in the sun.
Not entirely true. If strictly speaking of the Army of Northern Virgina, then yes, the butternut was a result of poor quality dyes late in the war. However, it should be pointed out that fading in period dyes, such as sumac based dyes, can happen as rapidly as ONE MONTH after dyeing the article of clothing. However, compared to other elements of Confederate forces, ANV had better consistency in it's uniforms then, say, Western or deep south forces, thanks to the amount of grey cloth that Richmond Depot got from blockaid runners from England.
Units in the west, however, largely made do with either brown or plain butternut, or grey dyes derived from sumac that tended to turn brown or even khaki very quickly. (IIC Hood's troops resupplied in transit from ANV to AT at Richmond and their smartly turned out uniforms actually confused the Union troops opposing them as they were much more used to brown and tan as the colors of thier opposition, again IIRC)
Baronlveagh, you are absolutely correct. To clarify, this will be an ANV army and therefore will have a pretty standardized uniform with a little variance for flavor. Not going for ultimate realism here, so I'll be throwing in some browns, khakis, and blues.
Interesting story about Hood though, I didn't know that
With regards to the army, painting is a slow process right now with everything I have to do, but I have gotten a few guys painted and I think they look awesome. Once I finish getting this Lascannon team painted up I'll post some more pictures.
So, the result of my weeks of effort. The pace is very slow due to school/job hunting, but hopefully I'll have a fully assembled and painted army within the next few months.
Up next is the rest of the Lascannon HWS, the last two members of the CCS, some Rough Riders, and some "Ratling" sharpshooters, but there is no telling when the next update will be.
KillerAngel wrote:So, the result of my weeks of effort. The pace is very slow due to school/job hunting, but hopefully I'll have a fully assembled and painted army within the next few months.
Up next is the rest of the Lascannon HWS, the last two members of the CCS, some Rough Riders, and some "Ratling" sharpshooters, but there is no telling when the next update will be.
tell me about the wire you use as LASCANNON power coupling please.
which gauge of wire do you use? and is it a naked or plastic shealthed?
and will Gen. Pickett appear?
(and with a sabel stabbing his hat)
ell me about the wire you use as LASCANNON power coupling please.
which gauge of wire do you use? and is it a naked or plastic shealthed?
The wire is just from my electrical projects box. It is solid core, and plastic coated. Not sure which gauge.
and will Gen. Pickett appear?
(and with a sabel stabbing his hat)
No, General Pickett will not make an appearance.
It was Gen Armistead that had his hat on a sword during Pickett's charge, though strictly speaking the 8th Virginia was under Garnett's command during the charge.
Wasn’t getting it at first but seeing some color on those minis !!!!! wow, what a cool idea….
Yeah, it's funny what some paint can do
I wish it didn't take so long to paint these things. Come to think of it, I still have like 12 pairs of cannon crew to make, 5 more rough riders, and 60 head swaps. I'm falling way behind.
Man, these are some excellent conversions! Never thought I'd see a Civil War-themed IG army, especially with artillery style weapons teams. Keep it up, I will be following with great interest.
1. Does your unit has a specific march anthem?
2. Will you compose the regimental version of "When Johnny comes marching home" ? and if you do. i wanna see the lyrics.
3. How do you paint lascannon? is it dwarf bronze, brazen brass or tin bit? (all GW metallic paints)? or anything comparable to each??
4. and what's next? do you have a plans to build field fortifications (trenches and earthworks) terrain piece? your regiments seems to have the function of siege regiment (oops i've said this much earlier on mew!)
6. so who did the first pep talk before the charge begins? if Gen. Armisted made a second rallying speech regarding the the importance of the campaign. the fate of Virginia itself!
No, can't say that it does. Could be fun to put a 40k universe spin on a traditional ACW marching song
How do you paint lascannon? is it dwarf bronze, brazen brass or tin bit? (all GW metallic paints)? or anything comparable to each??
The Lascannon is painted Ancient Bronze by Reaper, washed with Soft Body Black by Secret Weapon, and then highlighted again with Ancient Bronze.
The other "cannons" (missile launchers and autocannons) will feature black barrels.
and what's next? do you have a plans to build field fortifications (trenches and earthworks) terrain piece? your regiments seems to have the function of siege regiment
Well considering I barely have enough time to finish assembling and painting my planned army, no, there are no plans for field fortifications. I will have some fences (straight and worm), stones walls, and a few 19th century houses for use on battlefields. Honestly, once this army is done, I will probably start my first non-IG army.
so who did the first pep talk before the charge begins? if Gen. Armisted made a second rallying speech regarding the the importance of the campaign. the fate of Virginia itself!
Are you referring to the movie Gettysburg? If so, the "for your lands, for your homes, etc" speech prior to the charge was in fact done by Gen Armistead. Dialogue for that movie was taken from a historical-fiction book by the name The Killer Angels (haha, I bet my username makes sense now) written by Michael Shaara, and should not be taken as what was historically spoken.
Are you going to do any Zouaves?
Unfortunately no, I have no plans for that. The skill required to model the uniforms is waaay past my skill level. I will stick with basic conversions and head swaps for now. Some Louisiana Tigers would make for a nice army theme though
We'll hang Jeff Davis by a grox apple tree?
Haha, probably not the best theme for a southern army, considering what you are referencing was a popular Union marching song...
one trooper wears a very strange headwear. neither a-then common Kepi, nor cowboy hat (Officiers wear black ones). it is a cap that looks much like what Prussian Landwehr (or GW Mordian iron guard) wears.
but the Yanks do have a formation of redcoat infantry. who are they? are they americans or foreign mercs?
the U.S. army doesn't seem to have any tradition to have active combat troops wear red coats. only army parade band wear it. and historically. Major european powers are slightly sided with the souths. while treats the Union as just 'trading partners' (brits did a nasty doubledealing with both of the warring factions, sells small arms and advanced artilery to both sides.). Prussia howver, doesn't seem to play any role in this conflict... nor Otto von Bismarc cares who win.
1. Who designed civil-war style Kepi? french? or brits?
2. by 1860s. no european armies supply their line inf. with Napoleonic style Shako no more? while no one thinks of antiballistic value nor the true potentials of percussion bombshell. Russians and Prussians issued spiked hard leather helmet to troops. I don't quite figure out what kinda protections do picklehaube offers? I only know that it uses the thicker leather than ones of Shako, or as thick as Dragoon helmets of the Napoleonic wars.
and they did supply several hundread thousands of troops with those expensive headwear!
haven't the US. Army Quartermaster ever venture to Prussia and do study of uniform designs? or they've done evaluated the cost for each designs those european nations use and found out that french designs was cheapest. right?
Lone Cat,
First Manassas took place very early in the Civil War before any sort of standardization was implemented. What you would have seen then would have been very different than most textbooks, books, or movies would have shown you (Gods and Generals did a phenomenal job with the historically accurate details). There were blue, grey, white, green, and red uniforms in the confederate army at the time, with each regiment, and sometimes each company with it's own unique look. Due to this, there were many friendly fire incidents that took place and much confusion. During this time, the widely recognized Confederate Battle Flag was also not even in use. Regiments would display either the CSA National Flag (which looked very similar to the USA flag under battlefield conditions, leading to more confusion) and/or their state flags. Some companies, such as E co. 33rd Virginia Infantry had their very own flag (the green flag shown in the Gods and Generals clip you posted).
I have no intentional of painting my army anything other than typical confederate grey.
The red Union uniforms you are probably referring to are called Zouaves. They are normal US volunteer regiments, but have chosen to dress in the style of the more flamboyant French military Zouave light infantry of the time. No mercenaries units were used in the Civil War per se, though many foreign nationals did fight for both sides, and entire regiments and brigades were comprised of a specific nationality in some instances. The Irish Brigades of both the North and South are a famous example of this. There were also a very large number of Germans as well.
Perry's make Zouave models so that could make fielding them far simpler
I decided that the Perry models just don't quite fit the scale of the 40k universe. They are just too small to fit in properly and don't lend themselves to should-to-shoulder formations when mounted on standard 25mm GW bases.
KillerAngel wrote:
The red Union uniforms you are probably referring to are called Zouaves. They are normal US volunteer regiments, but have chosen to dress in the style of the more flamboyant French military Zouave light infantry of the time. No mercenaries units were used in the Civil War per se, though many foreign nationals did fight for both sides, and entire regiments and brigades were comprised of a specific nationality in some instances. The Irish Brigades of both the North and South are a famous example of this. There were also a very large number of Germans as well.
Um... ok, technically no specifically mercenary land units served, however, many units crawled with mercs who came to the US and CS offering their services for a price. 'Prince Polecat' immediately springs to mind for the CS, but over 60,000 British and Canadian subjects crossed the boarder to sign up for pay in the North. Quite a few Irish mercenaries signed on with elements of Meagher's Brigade in particular (many under clearly assumed names), though it also included some VERY non-Irish mercenaries such as the two Berber Arabs who signed on.
On the high seas, however, the CSN recruited entire mercenary crews (including the infamous CSS Alabama Of her original crew compliment, only the 24 officers were actually from the South)
On the high seas, however, the CSN recruited entire mercenary crews (including the infamous CSS Alabama Of her original crew compliment, only the 24 officers were actually from the South)
However, the CSS Alabama was made in England and In fact was one of the best raiders of the war sailing all 7 oceans till her final defeat off France. The crew was almost entirely mercenary or what they call "privateering" on the high seas.
Some in the north actually refused to call them privateers and prefered the terms "pirates" which under the laws of sea were NOT protected by P.O.W statures. If you wanna read about a epic cruise check out the history of the CSS Shenandoah. Still waging war AFTER the war was over thats a great way to get labeled a pirate
swampyturtle wrote:
However, the CSS Alabama was made in England and In fact was one of the best raiders of the war sailing all 7 oceans till her final defeat off France. The crew was almost entirely mercenary or what they call "privateering" on the high seas.
Point of fact, a substantial number of the CSN's ships were built or bought in England. And the Shenandoah suffered from the same problem that many ships did at the time: they were so far away from the war that it took months for the news to reach them.
Um... ok, technically no specifically mercenary land units served, however, many units crawled with mercs who came to the US and CS offering their services for a price.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I said. There was certainly no shortage of foreign nationals, especially on the side of the north.
I do remember reading Gettysburg, and there was an account of a British officer who was commanding a Confederate unit. Both name and rank escapes me, but he was in Lee's Northern Virginia army for a time before returning to the UK to tell of his exploits. However, this was mid-war era, no idea if any foreign officers were around the Southern side before that.
Looking very nice. The banners and Gen. Jackson look awsome. Though don't you think Jackson will look better on a 40mm base. I see people put Creed on a 40mm all the time.
but my dad was a history major. Spent a lot of family vacations at civil war battlefields.
It's been a while since I painted miniatures.
thats a great way to get labeled a pirate 
