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Post by: Temujin
I just got an e-mail from GW (strange since I don't usually get them). I haven't touched GW since their silly embargo (and won't until it ends) but I did once order direct only stuff from the GW UK site. At the time there was no Japanese site, but they've since put one up, complete with prices that rank up there with Australia as some of the worst in the world. The embargo makes it very hard to order from outside of the country, but I gather that it was possible to order from the UK site and get much better prices that on the Japanese or Australian store. The e-mail suggests that this might be about to end. Here's the text of the e-mail:
Today, we've got an important notice regarding changes to shipping for customers living in Japan.
If you currently order your miniatures from outside the Japanese website (in British Pounds or American Dollars, for example), then your shipping costs will change from November 1st 2011. The carriage fee will vary depending on the size of your order - you'll find the new shipping costs when you get to the checkout on the website.
However, we do have some good news! The shipping costs for orders placed on the Japanese language web store will remain the same, and any orders over 10,000 Yen will be shipped to your home address for free. There is also no charge for sending orders to one of our Games Workshop Hobby Centres, no matter the size of your order.
If you haven't yet changed to the Japanese Games Workshop website, then this is the time to do so. Simply change the flag in the drop-down menu in the bottom right-hand corner of the website to the Japanese flag, log in to your account and place your order as normal. It couldn't be any easier
We all look forward to seeing you on our site in the near future, until then...Sayonara!
The Japanese Web Team
I like how they let us know that the changes come into effect from November 1st - a little over 2 hours to go. But then like I say, I'm not touching GW anyway. I think the intention is clear though, and I'd hazard a guess that Australia will be seeing the same approach sooner rather than later. Shipping was never cheap from the UK as I recall, but even then they'll have to jack it up a long way to make it cheaper to buy from the Japanese store given that the yen has been hitting record highs in recent months. Free shipping isn't much consolation when you paying more than double for your order.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Yep. They realised that they were the Internet freeloaders, so now they're gouging you on 'shipping'.
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Post by: infinite_array
H.B.M.C. wrote:Yep. They realised that they were the Internet freeloaders, so now they're gouging you on 'shipping'.
And so the snake finally begins to choke on its own tail.  Ignoring my own silliness, B.C.H.M is probably right - they realized that the people in the embargoed areas could still order from GW UK at a lower price, and so this is their 'fix' to that 'problem'.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
GWUS shipping was already ludicrous... I can imagine it might be more than the total order now.
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Post by: Sir Motor
Oh,you are fast!
I was about to post.
I'm waiting wayland back to sell GW product to us.Untill then I'm not going to expand army.
http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/rest-of-world-customers/cat_956.html
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Post by: Sidstyler
I wish they were this attentive and eager to fix "problems" when it comes to their fething games. Fix game balance, make tighter rules, make better FAQs that actually answer our fething questions (preferably without neutering the army to the point of boring unplayability), etc. Or how about their product, more good sculpts like the Dark Eldar line and less bad ones like any random kit for Chaos Daemons, the razorgor (or whatever that brown blob of gak was supposed to be), or those new flayed ones for Necrons? Some actual quality control with Finecast maybe, so I can once again buy minis and at least be confident that I'm going to get a good sculpt in exchange for the giant wad of cash I had to give up for it?
Oh well. At least they never miss a chance to "adjust" prices or otherwise gouge us for more money. That's way more important than giving the customer anything of real value for their money or rewarding them for their continued loyalty to your gakky brand.
Granted this seems kind of minor, but I'm in the US and thus I'm a little more "fortunate" when it comes to trying to acquire models at prices that aren't flying rodent gak insane for what you're getting, so I don't really understand what the rest of the world is going through. It's just that nothing like this is really surprising anymore...at this rate every thread title might as well be "GW thinks to itself, concludes it's being too nice to its fanbase, decides to punish them even more for playing their games".
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Post by: HarlequinZero
I got that email as well. Just as an experiment I put 120 GBP worth of new Necrons in my shopping cart yesterday. The shipping at that time would have cost ~35 GBP for UPS global express. I went back today and the same order using the same method of shipping is, get ready for your jaws to hit the floor, 175 GBP!! Yes, you read that right, a 500% price hike to pay for shipping that hasn't actually become more expensive. Is that even legal?!
You know, I would order from GW Japan if the prices weren't totally out of line with GW UK and USA. A Ghost Ark in the UK costs 31 GBP while in Japan it costs roughly 52 GBP. And GW Japan's free shipping is also a joke. In the UK free domestic shipping is available for orders over 10 GBP. Japan's version requires a customer to spend at least 80 GBP.
I'm actually in the position where it would be CHEAPER to buy a Forgeworld army like DKoK or Chaos Dwarves than to order regular GW product domestically. How disgusting is that? Actually I shouldn't say anything or GW UK will force Forgeworld to charge 400 GBP per order for shipping to Japan. (the sad part is that is only partially a joke.)
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Post by: candy.man
It would be interesting to see the global sales data for the next quarter. I’d like to see what kind of impact GW’s shipping and sales decisions are having and what kind of spin the upper management try to put on it.
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Post by: Absolutionis
Games Workshop wrote:However, we do have some good news!
This is the sourest good news imaginable.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
HarlequinZero wrote:I got that email as well. Just as an experiment I put 120 GBP worth of new Necrons in my shopping cart yesterday. The shipping at that time would have cost ~35 GBP for UPS global express. I went back today and the same order using the same method of shipping is, get ready for your jaws to hit the floor, 175 GBP!! Yes, you read that right, a 500% price hike to pay for shipping that hasn't actually become more expensive. Is that even legal?!
When I said the shipping might cost more than the product itself, I was just joking. I wasn't being serious.
I'd E-mail them and demand to know what carrier they are using and why the cost of the shipping is greater than the cost of the products.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ah feth me he wasn’t kidding. Here is a screenshot from an order I just put through (I didn’t put it all the way through – I just got the the ‘gimme your CC details’ part).
The £60 is a Space Marine Battleforce. On what planet does shipping cost that much? I don’t live on Mars GW. What are the size and dimensions of a Marine Battleforce. To ship a similar item via UK Royal Mail how much does it really cost you price-gouging witches.
Go on apologists – defend that.
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Post by: Worglock
The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
There isn't anything to defend.
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Post by: infinite_array
Worglock wrote:The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
There isn't anything to defend.
That's... that's defending it.
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Post by: Breotan
Given the strength of the Yen compared to the US Dollar, would it be feasable now to order from an online retailer such as from the US? Or would that still be prohibitivly expensive?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Are we surprised by who it is?
AUD$1 is worth the same amount where ever you buy it. AUD$1 is worth the same in Australia as it is in the UK, the US, Canada, Japan - whereever. It has a specific set value. That value does chang (daily, hourly even), but it's cost is universal. A product worth AUD$10 in Australia is worth the same AUD$10 in the UK. You can convert it over into pounds if you wish, but then that cost in pounds in the UK would be no different to me purchasing pounds using my dollars.
Then there are shipping costs. Shipping costs are set by the companies and government organisations that control the postal services. Royal Mail will have a set price for a specific set of packages within a grouping of dimensions and weight (as well as modifiers to that cost based upon speed of shipping). I will be very surprised - very fething surprised - if something in the range of size/weight of a Marine Battleforce costs £100 to ship overseas.
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Post by: Sir Motor
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ah feth me he wasn’t kidding. Here is a screenshot from an order I just put through (I didn’t put it all the way through – I just got the the ‘gimme your CC details’ part).
The £60 is a Space Marine Battleforce. On what planet does shipping cost that much? I don’t live on Mars GW. What are the size and dimensions of a Marine Battleforce. To ship a similar item via UK Royal Mail how much does it really cost you price-gouging witches.
Go on apologists – defend that.
I'm in Japan.
Almost same situation.
Well....I wish...this is some kind of joke...or simple system error..
Well,Buying UK from non- GW direct shop is prohibited by GW.
But I think American shop still allowed to sell us.
Although,I will wait to Wayland came back.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Check Dicebucket. I know they still ship to Australia, they might ship to Japan.
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Post by: HarlequinZero
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Then there are shipping costs. Shipping costs are set by the companies and government organisations that control the postal services. Royal Mail will have a set price for a specific set of packages within a grouping of dimensions and weight (as well as modifiers to that cost based upon speed of shipping). I will be very surprised - very fething surprised - if something in the range of size/weight of a Marine Battleforce costs £100 to ship overseas.
Like I said, it doesn't cost that much. The same package they're trying to charge me 175 GBP to ship only cost 35 GBP yesterday. Unless the fine folks at UPS have gone, quite literally, bat spit crazy, GW is charging a 140 GBP 'tax' on Japanese customers.
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Post by: Manchu
No matter how reasonable this would appear to someone with all the facts, it appears to be rank bullying to those who don't have all the facts. And since customers rarely if ever have all the facts, businesses should be more careful about how their actions appear.
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Post by: Padre
Good old GW at their company- and community-fething finest.
Just when you think GW can't shaft you any worse...they go and add sand to the KY jelly!!! 
Padre^.
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Post by: nels1031
H.B.M.C. wrote:When I said the shipping might cost more than the product itself, I was just joking. I wasn't being serious.
I'd E-mail them and demand to know what carrier they are using and why the cost of the shipping is greater than the cost of the products.
The cost of an item is irrelevant to a shipping cost, unless its so big or heavy that it requires a special mode of transport that a standard delivery truck can't handle. Then it will be even more costly. Shipping costs can't be based on a products price because a delivery company would hemmorage money on small priced items, because a drivers wage and gas prices etc are not adjustable and tend to only increase.
I routinely order small parts from major motorcycle manufacturers and depending on what warehouse it comes from, drop shipping can be anywhere from 40-60 dollars for small carburetor parts that cost next to nothing and are the size of thumbtacks. The bigger it gets the costlier it becomes. And it varies per manufacturer as well, oddly enough, despite most of my drop ship orders coming from japan ( if its not in a CONUS warehouse).
On this forum I tried to sell some noise marine bits to a user here about a year ago and he lives in australia. I tried to give him a good deal on the bits so as to be rid of them, but ups shipping costs were almost a hundred dollars, twice what I intended to sell them for, for a pound of bits. Fedex and other avenues were around the same. Needless to say I still have those bits collecting dust.
Shipping costs are atrocious in various industries. And will continue to climb. Just a fact of life as oil/ gas prices increase.
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Post by: Deathly Angel
'However, we do have some good news! Shipping costs on the Japanese website will not go up fivefold!'
FIVEFOLD. I never thought I would have to use that word in a sentence regarding prices for a luxury item. It isn't just us poor Australians who have been shafted by GW. Maybe they believe that those of us outside of Europe don't deserve sane prices on their products. I'd like to see your response to this gak Mark Wells. For the moment, I am at least relieved they haven't done this to Australia (might I dare add 'yet'? No, I might jynx it). The practices of this company are brazen and frankly disguisting. Perhaps a replacement of the board of directors is necessary?
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Also, is there any recent news of Wayland's situation at all? I know they have opened their new warehouse, but are any closer at all to retifying this injustice and being able to ship to ROW again?
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Post by: Zid
Find a good US friend with a military APO address and have em order from the US.... fix'd!
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Post by: Deathly Angel
Oops, clicked on the quote button instead of edit..
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Post by: HarlequinZero
NELS1031 wrote:
Shipping costs are atrocious in various industries. And will continue to climb. Just a fact of life as oil/ gas prices increase.
A shipping increase of 500% to a single country? Singapore, Hong Kong, etc... are in the same UPS shipping zone and their prices are totally unaffected as far as I can tell. This is a blatant export tariff passed off as a shipping increase so GW can try to force people to buy direct from their overpriced Japanese division.
What I'm wondering is if GW UK can legally say that the cost of shipping is a certain amount when it's blatantly false. I know they can set their own prices, but legally can they misrepresent the costs of dealing with a third party to sort of pass the blame?
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Post by: Geax
NELS1031 wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:When I said the shipping might cost more than the product itself, I was just joking. I wasn't being serious.
I'd E-mail them and demand to know what carrier they are using and why the cost of the shipping is greater than the cost of the products.
The cost of an item is irrelevant to a shipping cost, unless its so big or heavy that it requires a special mode of transport that a standard delivery truck can't handle. Then it will be even more costly. Shipping costs can't be based on a products price because a delivery company would hemmorage money on small priced items, because a drivers wage and gas prices etc are not adjustable and tend to only increase.
I routinely order small parts from major motorcycle manufacturers and depending on what warehouse it comes from, drop shipping can be anywhere from 40-60 dollars for small carburetor parts that cost next to nothing and are the size of thumbtacks. The bigger it gets the costlier it becomes. And it varies per manufacturer as well, oddly enough, despite most of my drop ship orders coming from japan ( if its not in a CONUS warehouse).
On this forum I tried to sell some noise marine bits to a user here about a year ago and he lives in australia. I tried to give him a good deal on the bits so as to be rid of them, but ups shipping costs were almost a hundred dollars, twice what I intended to sell them for, for a pound of bits. Fedex and other avenues were around the same. Needless to say I still have those bits collecting dust.
Shipping costs are atrocious in various industries. And will continue to climb. Just a fact of life as oil/ gas prices increase.
What shipping were you using? It's $11.39 for a 12" square package weighing a pound on USPS calculator for an international package to australia. Might take a couple of weeks to get there, but it's the cheapest.
I don't care what something costs, it's shipping costs should be based on what size/weight/insurance is required to post it. If a company is selling something the price of postage should be equilavent to what shipping from the post etc is.
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Post by: AlexHolker
Between the VAT refund and the trade embargo, I think it might be cheaper now to buy a new army if you fly to the UK yourself to pick it up.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
NELS1031 wrote:The cost of an item is irrelevant to a shipping cost,
I didn't say it was. I even specifically asked what the dimensions/weight of a Battleforce were in order to compare it to standard shipping rates for things of that size/weight via Royal Mail. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Post by: nels1031
You told a poster in this thread to demand to know why a shipment charge cost more then the product itself.. Ergo, the statement reads as if you think the shipping charge should be relative to product cost.
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What shipping were you using? It's $11.39 for a 12" square package weighing a pound on USPS calculator for an international package to australia. Might take a couple of weeks to get there, but it's the cheapest.
I don't care what something costs, it's shipping costs should be based on what size/weight/insurance is required to post it. If a company is selling something the price of postage should be equilavent to what shipping from the post etc is.
From what I remember he needed it a little faster then what usps could get it to him by.
Looking at what usps charges for something like that I completely understand why they are going under.
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Post by: Grimtuff
NELS1031 wrote:You told a poster in this thread to demand to know why a shipment charge cost more then the product itself.. Ergo, the statement reads as if you think the shipping charge should be relative to product cost.
Erm, no. HBMC was asking for the dimensions of the box. Royal Mail (and Parcel Force) in the UK have a very specific set of criteria for what constitutes a letter and what as a parcel and will charge you more as they see fit if your letter will not fit through their perspex guide hole... thing. (UKers will know what I'm on about  )
Also, for our ROW guys, Wargamestore in the UK still appears to ship to ROW.
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Post by: nels1031
Read the post above the one you are referring to. The one I quoted but somehow put into his mouth.
And to be clear I'm not defending GWs increase in shipping, I've never seen a leap like that from any of my manufacturers, even when gas prices kept climbingrapidly a few years ago.
I read a statement where it seemed someone had the wrong impression on how shipping charges are tallied and tried to clarify/ correct that view using my first hand knowledge/ experience. Simple as that.
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Post by: AlexHolker
NELS1031 wrote:You told a poster in this thread to demand to know why a shipment charge cost more then the product itself.. Ergo, the statement reads as if you think the shipping charge should be relative to product cost.
No, it reads like he thinks the shipping charge should be less than the product cost. It's equivalent to saying a Big Mac shouldn't cost more than a Ferrari - it's not a statement that the two products should be intrinsicly linked, it's just an obvious threshold to show the absurdity.
And it is absurd: until six months ago Maelstrom could provide the product and the shipping for about half the price that GW now charges for the shipping alone.
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Post by: nels1031
AlexHolker wrote:No, it reads like he thinks the shipping charge should be less than the product cost.
Either way, still not how it works. In my experience.
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Post by: Yonan
Welcome to the club my Japanese friends, bring your school girls and sake!
Here's hoping that GW sales in Aus/NZ and Japan tank due to this bollocks. 500%... *shakes head*
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Post by: Pacific
Worglock wrote:The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
There isn't anything to defend.
You, sir, are a legend. 
Just when you think GW can't shaft you any worse...they go and add sand to the KY jelly!!!
That is a fine analogy (...) of the policies enacted by GW over the past 12 months.
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Post by: Asuron
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ah feth me he wasn’t kidding. Here is a screenshot from an order I just put through (I didn’t put it all the way through – I just got the the ‘gimme your CC details’ part).
The £60 is a Space Marine Battleforce. On what planet does shipping cost that much? I don’t live on Mars GW. What are the size and dimensions of a Marine Battleforce. To ship a similar item via UK Royal Mail how much does it really cost you price-gouging witches.
Go on apologists – defend that.
I'd get upset but then I'd have to be suprised to get upset.
That's just awful, utterly despicable as well. Think the bean counters have well and truly taken over GW at this point
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Post by: HarlequinZero
Grimtuff wrote:
Also, for our ROW guys, Wargamestore in the UK still appears to ship to ROW.
Thanks for the link! I might give these guys a shot.
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Post by: Pyro-Druid
I'll second Zero's thanks for the link.
Does anyone in AU know one way or another if they still ship GW stuff to Australia. I'll probably give it a try either way.
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Post by: Temujin
I was curious to see if they had really hiked shipping enough to cover the doubling of prices in yen, so I looked at a Space Marine Vindicator (something I might have fancied before they lost my custom).
All costs in British pounds, converted at today's rate where necessary.
GW UK
Vindicator Cost: 25.83
Standard Shipping Charge: 50.00 (!)
Total: 75.83
GW Japan
Vindicator Cost: 54.35 (!)
Standard Shipping Cost: 6.01
Total: 60.36
The 50 pound shipping charge is quite astonishing in and of itself, but the fact that it only just covers the insane mark-up on the product even then is beyond words.
How about really big things?
GW UK
Realm of Battle Gameboard Cost: 155
Standard Shipping Charge: 250 (!)
Total: 405
GW Japan
Realm of Battle Gameboard Cost: 270 (!)
Standard Shipping Cost: 0
Total: 270
Ordering through the Japanese site does net you a free web exclusive space marine sergeant, which I suppose goes some way to make up for the eye-watering wallet battering.
One last experiment: How about something really small? This is my favourite.
GW UK
1 Pot of Snot Green Cost: 2.30
Standard Shipping Charge: 60.00 (!!!)
Total: 62.30
GW Japan
1 Pot of Snot Green Cost: 4.00
Standard Shipping Cost: 6.01
Total: 10.01
A clear win for GW Japan continuing to boycott GW.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Temujin wrote:GW UK
1 Pot of Snot Green Cost: 2.30
Standard Shipping Charge: 60.00 (!!!)
Total: 62.30
They're just a business trying to make money Temujin! Stop being a hater! [EDIT]: Using letter rates, the most expensive rates I could find (obviously not correct, but I picked the most expensive rate), to cover the £60 shipping for a pot of Skull White from GWUK, that pot of paint would have to weigh in the area of 45-kg. I can just see Tom Kirby's next speech to the board: "When I came to this company it was on the verge of collapse, and as God as my witness, by the time I leave so shall it be again!!!" *cue thunderous applause*
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Post by: Korcheski
I can honestly say thanks, i needed this thread. I have been boycotting GW completely shortly after the who AU issue came out. Completely sold everything i ever owned that had the GW logo on it. Heck, I even removed every GW computer game I owned. Then along came the new Necron stuff, and I found myself getting a very small itch to get back into things. I can honestly say now the itch is gone and I can faithfully continue my boycott.
Thanks GW, we all need someone to loathe and you have really ramped up your campaign to remain #1. What is that I hear from across the pond, "Four more years, Four more years!"
HarlequinZero wrote:I got that email as well. Just as an experiment I put 120 GBP worth of new Necrons in my shopping cart yesterday. The shipping at that time would have cost ~35 GBP for UPS global express. I went back today and the same order using the same method of shipping is, get ready for your jaws to hit the floor, 175 GBP!! Yes, you read that right, a 500% price hike to pay for shipping that hasn't actually become more expensive. Is that even legal?!
In all seriousness I am pretty sure it violates trade laws in the US, and maybe in Europe...which is why they can't do it over here. Otherwise i have no doubt they would. This pretty much follows the same legalities talked about in the AU thread a while back.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
I got that email as well. Just as an experiment I put 120 GBP worth of new Necrons in my shopping cart yesterday. The shipping at that time would have cost ~35 GBP for UPS global express. I went back today and the same order using the same method of shipping is, get ready for your jaws to hit the floor, 175 GBP!! Yes, you read that right, a 500% price hike to pay for shipping that hasn't actually become more expensive.
As a busniss GW are da beezkneez and they do have to make a profit If you don't like the prices don't buy If you can't afford it go play Happy Families GW toy soldiers. Made like a Porsche, delivered in a Rolls Royce.
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Post by: HarlequinZero
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can just see Tom Kirby's next speech to the board:
"When I came to this company it was on the verge of collapse, and as God as my witness, by the time I leave so shall it be again!!!"
*cue thunderous applause*
He could take a page from another famous GW. G.W. Bush:
''Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.''
Just sub in 'business' for 'country' and it's pretty spot on.
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Post by: Asuron
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I got that email as well. Just as an experiment I put 120 GBP worth of new Necrons in my shopping cart yesterday. The shipping at that time would have cost ~35 GBP for UPS global express. I went back today and the same order using the same method of shipping is, get ready for your jaws to hit the floor, 175 GBP!! Yes, you read that right, a 500% price hike to pay for shipping that hasn't actually become more expensive.
As a busniss GW are da beezkneez and they do have to make a profit
If you don't like the prices don't buy
If you can't afford it go play Happy Families
GW toy soldiers. Made like a Porsche, delivered in a Rolls Royce.
I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in my life, especially at that last line. Thank you, you've made my week
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Post by: Ouze
infinite_array wrote:Worglock wrote:The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
There isn't anything to defend.
That's... that's defending it.
It's not. He's not defending it. And he's right, that either it's worth it to you or not.
However, he's sort of answering a different question then the one that was asked. That's an appropriate answer for if a price hike on, say, a battleforce happened, for example.
The hike on shipping is kind of indefensible. Shipping's really not supposed to be a profit driver.
Rest of the world, truley I am sorry for your lots.
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Post by: Lorizael
Didn't have a battleforce handy so figured I'd weigh a mostly empty GW figure case- came in at just shy of 2KG.
According to Royal Mail it costs £40.35 to ship a 2KG package with up to £500 insurance and a 5 day delivery time to Japan.
So not cheap, but considerably less than the £175!
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Post by: Cheex
Padre wrote:Good old GW at their company- and community-fething finest.
Just when you think GW can't shaft you any worse...they go and add sand to the KY jelly!!!
They stopped using KY back in June. Now they're using cement.
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Post by: Pacific
Well although this is another step in killing the enjoyment for some people, at least making fake shopping baskets has resulted in some laughs..
Rest of the world, truley I am sorry for your lots.
I believe that GW made quite an effort with Japan at one point, and certainly must have spent a lot of money setting up shop there. Now, after closing 4 stores a while back, and now this it makes you wonder if it is on the slide to no-where?
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Korcheski - they are allowed to charge as much for "shipping" as they like. They are not saying the straight cost of UPS is X, they are saying the cost of postage, packing and handling AS WELL AS UPS is X . Given they are free to internally define what everything but the external cost is, they are not "misrepresenting" anything.
So yes, of course its legal. Also, shipping not being a profit driver? Noone heard of ebay?
Does this suck? Absolutely. However it absolutely fits with their current strategy, which is following every other fething business that can and segmenting their market to allow them to maximise profits in each region.
Oddly when MS do this with office you dont see quite the same crap flying around. The entitlement complex gets a little old quickly...
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Post by: agnosto
The funny thing is that car dealers only charge $750 to ship an entire car..... a car.
When my wife moved over here, she rented a cargo container...on a ship and it only cost about $300....and that included trucking from California to Oklahoma.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Because tehy ship in bulk, mainly. 6 weeks by boat is quite cheap when youre filling the whole boat...
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Post by: agnosto
nosferatu1001 wrote:Because tehy ship in bulk, mainly. 6 weeks by boat is quite cheap when youre filling the whole boat...
And I suppose that UPS will dedicate the entire jet to the one GW package? Nope. I just posted that because I was completely shocked with GW charging insane e-bay-esque shipping/handling charges. Like the occasional auction for a small item that appears cheap until you see the $90 shipping and handling; I always wondered if they're wrapping the item in gold foil or something.
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Post by: Korraz
Pacific wrote:Well although this is another step in killing the enjoyment for some people, at least making fake shopping baskets has resulted in some laughs..
Rest of the world, truley I am sorry for your lots.
I believe that GW made quite an effort with Japan at one point, and certainly must have spent a lot of money setting up shop there. Now, after closing 4 stores a while back, and now this it makes you wonder if it is on the slide to no-where?
Didn't Japan actually WORK? I think I remember reading that it was one of their strongest growing markets.
And they reacted by closing shops.
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Post by: JOHIRA
Wow, at some of these prices it's looking like it might honestly be cheaper to just fly someone to US/ UK, buy a bunch of GW product and fill a suitcase, and then fly back to Japan and hand-deliver it to you.
I spent only a little more than some of those prices when I packed up my entire life in Japan and shipped it to the US. Automatically Appended Next Post: Korraz wrote:Didn't Japan actually WORK? I think I remember reading that it was one of their strongest growing markets.
And they reacted by closing shops.
I think GW Japan took a nose-dive when the yen skyrocketted compared to a lot of world currencies and GW responded by, you guessed it, raising prices in Japan. My local GW store went from having games virtually every time I walked by to being completely empty every time I walked by.
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Korraz wrote:Pacific wrote:Well although this is another step in killing the enjoyment for some people, at least making fake shopping baskets has resulted in some laughs..
Rest of the world, truley I am sorry for your lots.
I believe that GW made quite an effort with Japan at one point, and certainly must have spent a lot of money setting up shop there. Now, after closing 4 stores a while back, and now this it makes you wonder if it is on the slide to no-where?
Didn't Japan actually WORK? I think I remember reading that it was one of their strongest growing markets.
And they reacted by closing shops.
Something is working! We must tank it as quickly as possible!
Those shipping prices are stupid, but of course we know why they are what they are now. Even the email from the OP shows it. They want you to buy from their overpriced in country website. As with all things relating to commerce, vote with your wallet.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Because they ship in bulk, mainly. 6 weeks by boat is quite cheap when youre filling the whole boat...
So how come, when I have bought directly from Japan/Hong Kong postal charges have not been prohibitive?
Bear in mind I am the tightest wad on Dakka and won't pay lots for delivery and it has been single items.
Couple of weeks by boat I guess is all I had to wait
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Post by: insaniak
Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:So how come, when I have bought directly from Japan/Hong Kong postal charges have not been prohibitive?
Probably because the companies you have bought from in Japan and Hong Kong aren't deliberately inflating their shipping costs in order to 'encourage' you to buy from your own sales region instead.
This is GW's way of leveling the playing field. 'Oh, so those darned convicts discovered that they could get around paying Australian prices by ordering direct from the motherland? We'll soon fix that! If we make shipping inordinately expensive, well then they'll have to buy from GW Australia, wot?'
It's typical GW strategy:
Step 1: Identify a problem.
Step 2: 'Solve' it by creating a bigger problem.
Step 3: Blame failure of solution on the internet.
Step 4: Profit...?
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
I started typing something to that effect, Insaniak but deleted it.
You put it better than I did.
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Post by: zombie
At least we have the reason for the next GW price rise "Due to a drop in mail order sales another 20% ( UK & US only 40% for ROTW) increase in prices will be required. Have a happy x-mass" 
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Insaniak yoy must have +2 to your initiative. GW is just going to keep on rolling along (as much as I hate to say it  ). As long as little kids walk into their stores the money will keep on coming. But once this market dries up there will be nothing, just a bare baren desert. Sadly of all of the veteran gamers I know I am the only one who still buys GW products every now and again. With the advent of computer games Kids just won't care about toy soliders any more. And GW will fall like a fat kid on a bicycle because the veteran gamers have lost all faith.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
So we're told that the prices for Australia are something to do with them setting them at a time before the exchange rate changed.
So what's the excuse with prices in Japan?
It's a sad joke. GW don't have prices relative to each other across the board. Even take what Worglock said, yes models are either worth what they are priced or not. So apparently they are worth a lot less in the UK than in other countries. So instead of doing something about the fething stupid prices they screw the postage into the ground.
I've hunted around and there seems to be no legal requirement to have fair postage. I thought there was the possibility for a tax issue with VAT and charges being different for the amount charged for 'postage' to the customer and the amount for the actual item being sold.
The only thing I can suggest is that somone from Japan buy something at these silly prices and then make a complaint to UK trading standards that they have paid heavily for a service that doesn't exist. Namely that they have paid £100 for something that has only cost £10.
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Post by: insaniak
Howard A Treesong wrote:So what's the excuse with prices in Japan?
Huge insurance premiums on account of giant monsters constantly destroying Tokyo.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
UK Trading standards wouldnt care less, especially if you can be shown to have acted in bad faith.
Price sementation s nothing new. Levi jeans do not cost the same in the UK as they do elsewhere. MS Office is far cheaper in India than the US or UK. EVERYONE does it as, oddly enough, the local purchasing power varies more than a simple conversion tells you.
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Post by: Kirasu
nosferatu1001 wrote:UK Trading standards wouldnt care less, especially if you can be shown to have acted in bad faith.
Price sementation s nothing new. Levi jeans do not cost the same in the UK as they do elsewhere. MS Office is far cheaper in India than the US or UK. EVERYONE does it as, oddly enough, the local purchasing power varies more than a simple conversion tells you.
I can only imagine the real answer is far simpler than "purchasing power".. Based on GW's latest decisions they do NOT want anyone buying products outside of their country. IE its a tariff that the company is using against their own products
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Post by: nosferatu1001
They do not want you buying outside of your own country, so they can enforce the pricing segmentation within that country.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
nosferatu1001 wrote:UK Trading standards wouldnt care less, especially if you can be shown to have acted in bad faith.
That could never be determined. Price sementation s nothing new. Levi jeans do not cost the same in the UK as they do elsewhere. MS Office is far cheaper in India than the US or UK. EVERYONE does it as, oddly enough, the local purchasing power varies more than a simple conversion tells you.
Why do they do it though? Do they think that people in Japan and Australia are so much more affluent that they will pay these prices? At what point do these price increases become counter productive to profit? The next financial statement or two might show the impacts of the price increase, the finecast and the clampdown on world trading all coming at once. I can't imagine they have done themselves any favours. Also this is not a great economic time in general so GW must be hoping for a good christmas.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Howard A Treesong wrote:
Why do they do it though? Do they think that people in Japan and Australia are so much more affluent that they will pay these prices? At what point do these price increases become counter productive to profit?
From my understanding, it has nothing to do with a perception of affluence.
It has to do with trying to lock down on currency shenanigans.
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Post by: AesSedai
I would never buy from GW direct unless there is no other choice. Since I realized there are several retailers who can and do ship internationally, I have been ordering all my product from the US. I can save quite a bit of money considering the yen is 25% more valuable than USD. Shipping can be pretty reasonable to.
With regards to the prices in Japan killing the hobby here, it doesn't seem to be the case. If you are a Japanese hobbyist into GW games, you pay much more for GW products locally than anyone in the world including Aussies whose prices are *cough* more reasonable than ours.
Despite this, last week I accompanied one of my friend's to the GW in Jimbocho. I wS rather surprised to see 2 guys playing a game of WHFB, 7-9 guys painting, and 3 female hobbyists, of who 2 were painting in a segregated area. Seems like a pretty healthy shop to be honest. Now, perhaps GW will notice this and jack up the prices worldwide to match the glowing Japanese example of price insentitivity.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kanluwen wrote:It has to do with trying to lock down on currency shenanigans.
Implying that GW is fighting against something that needs to be stopped.
The only one playing currency shenanigans is GW. I want to know if the £60 it will cost me to ship a pot of Skull White is going to Royal Mail.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Kanluwen wrote:It has to do with trying to lock down on currency shenanigans.
Implying that GW is fighting against something that needs to be stopped.
The only one playing currency shenanigans is GW. I want to know if the £60 it will cost me to ship a pot of Skull White is going to Royal Mail.
Again: not saying it's right or wrong. Just saying it is.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Oh it's certainly wrong. Shipping costs don't spiral into the stratosphere like that unless the shipping costs are impacting everything shipped via that shipping company/organisation/government body.
If all Royal Mail shipping costs have jumped in this past week, then ok fine, I'll drop this. But I want to know - and these are really simple question really - is:
1. How much does Royal mail charge to ship something of the approximate size and weight of a Battleforce overseas, using standard airmail shipping methods (not next day or express, etc.).
2. How much of the £60 GW is requesting for shipping on a single pot of Skull White is going to Royal Mail.
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Post by: Azazelx
About 6 weeks ago I ordered a bunch of parts from GWUK (shoulder pads, deathwatch sets, etc). They wanted to charge me 40 pounds to ship it to Australia. I get stuff from the UK via ebay pretty regularly, and the package would have cost well under 10 pounds.
In the end I got it sent to a friend in Germany who forwarded it onto me. It cost less than half of their 40pound quote to get it sent by (still inflated) post to Germany and then via normal DeutchPost charges to me.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
H.B.M.C. wrote:
1. How much does Royal mail charge to ship something of the approximate size and weight of a Battleforce overseas, using standard airmail shipping methods (not next day or express, etc.).
It probably wouldn't cost more than £10-15 tops. A kilo is about £12 to Australia/USA/Japan from UK I would like to know if they send it recorded delivery, that's an additional £6 when international. If they don't do that when charging £60 in total that really is disgraceful. You wouldn't even be getting the beset service when paying several times over the odds.
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Post by: insaniak
nosferatu1001 wrote:Price sementation s nothing new. Levi jeans do not cost the same in the UK as they do elsewhere. MS Office is far cheaper in India than the US or UK. EVERYONE does it as, oddly enough, the local purchasing power varies more than a simple conversion tells you.
For sure it's not new. It's very, very old. Which is kind of the point.
This sort of price segmentation is an out-dated concept. It's something that was accepted before the internet, but the growing push towards online shopping makes a bit of a mockery of geographical boundaries. Sooner or later, the companies that price themselves in this fashion are just going to have to accept that regional markets are rapidly becoming a thing of the past.
Make it harder for your customers to buy your product at a price that they consider fair (and twice what everyone else is paying is not going to fit into too many people's definition of 'fair'), and all you wind up doing is driving them away.
And trying to artificially enforce regional pricing by over-inflating your shipping, in a day and age where any perceived inflation of shipping costs will instantly get people off-side, just makes you look silly.
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Post by: Azazelx
I bought a pile of books yesterday from Amazon.co.uk with free shipping to .au right now. Worked out at about $7.50 each. The local price for the books I bought is $18 each.
I'd like to buy things locally to support local retail job (ie middlemen) but the disparity is immense, and ultimately all this stuff is imported anyway, so I'm just cutting out local middlemen. Why I can purchase something at o/s retail + single-item airmail shipping for less than local retail can sell it to me for (even when the .AU dollar was poor) just boggles the mind.
I also bought 2x Sony 3DTV glasses for less (including shipping) than the price of one set locally.
Rationale: It might be a gimmick, but my recent TV cost a fraction more with 3D on it than the non-3D model, and I'd like my mum to see something on 3DTV before she passes away, which will be soon.
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Post by: Griever
I love how GW "fixes" issues that make their customers mad by making their customers even more mad.
What a joke of a company. It's a real shame what they're doing to a great game.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Griever wrote:I love how GW "fixes" issues that make their customers mad by making their customers even more mad.
You've heard the expression 'when it rains it pours', right?
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Well they do have a real shower in charge.
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Post by: Worglock
infinite_array wrote:Worglock wrote:The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
There isn't anything to defend.
That's... that's defending it.
What? Really? Automatically Appended Next Post: Pacific wrote:Worglock wrote:The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
There isn't anything to defend.
You, sir, are a legend. .
Thanks.
So. Are you still going to buy from GW or not? Automatically Appended Next Post: Griever wrote:I love how GW "fixes" issues that make their customers mad by making their customers even more mad.
What a joke of a company. It's a real shame what they're doing to a great game.
I kinda like how the people that are getting mad still go out of their way to give money to the guys making them mad.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
*sets watch*
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Post by: Sidstyler
AesSedai wrote:I would never buy from GW direct unless there is no other choice.
That seems to be exactly what they're going for.
AesSedai wrote:Despite this, last week I accompanied one of my friend's to the GW in Jimbocho. I wS rather surprised to see 2 guys playing a game of WHFB, 7-9 guys painting, and 3 female hobbyists, of who 2 were painting in a segregated area. Seems like a pretty healthy shop to be honest.
"Segregated"? Like...the female painters had to be kept separate from the males or am I reading that wrong?
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Post by: Morgrath
AesSedai wrote:Despite this, last week I accompanied one of my friend's to the GW in Jimbocho. I wS rather surprised to see 2 guys playing a game of WHFB, 7-9 guys painting, and 3 female hobbyists, of who 2 were painting in a segregated area. Seems like a pretty healthy shop to be honest.
"Segregated"? Like...the female painters had to be kept separate from the males or am I reading that wrong?
I think he means the painting area is off to the side, semi-enclosed or something. I hope that's what he meant...
The biggest issue for me is the disparity between currencies. Codices in Oz are $55 at a GW store, which according to xe.com is 35GBP. I think the retail price in the UK is about 20GBP (according to maelstrom anyway). Yes, I understand that shipping to ROW means that it will inevitably cost more than stuff in GB but come on...how much stuff does GW ship to Oz in a month? Bulk shipping costs can't be high enough to almost double the cost of each individual product.
I used to work at my local GW (briefly), and I remember my manager telling me that with our staff discount (50%) the company was still making a 100% profit on pretty much everything we bought - so a 300% profit margin on every single miniature that a customer buys. That was close to 5 years ago, so I shudder to think what the profit margin is these days.
Why, GW? Why do you hate us? It really is a comedy of errors...every time you think they've gone over the edge, they take another step...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Morgrath wrote:... but come on...how much stuff does GW ship to Oz in a month? Bulk shipping costs can't be high enough to almost double the cost of each individual product.
Double? According to GW, the cost of shipping a single pot of Skull white is 2600% the cost of the actual pot of Skull White.
But they are a business after all. They are just trying to make a profit. Fair enough I say.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Begging your pardon HBMC
For some reason I gave an example of Royal Mail charges for a pot of Citadel paint to the USA where according to my brain you reside 
Am sure the links worked last night but now only show the home page
anyhoo the cheapest service is for a small package surface mail =£1.60
the most expensive International signed for delivery is a whopping £8.14
A small airmail package delivery would be £2.07
You get the idea.
Again am estimating a pot of paint to be 80 grams
rounded up to 100 gms with packaging.
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Post by: nosferatu1001
Howard - nope, friend is in TS, and they dont touch anything like this - its not illegal or shady to charge whatever you like for shipping, as long as it is made clear the amount you are charging. If they feel you have tried to "set up" a company, i.e. acted in bad faith, theyre even less likely to care. Same in court cases - if you give the appearance of having set yourself up to be a "victim", knowingly, then you will get nowhere.
Companies segment by region in order to exploit differences in disposable income levels in differing regions, in the main.
So MS charges more for office in the UK than it does in India, because if you tried to charge the same price in India as the UK, you would end up with even more piracy. ANd vice versa you would still likely sell the same number of units, maybe a bit more, but would be losing out massively on the overall profit youre making.
Same here. GW "can" (want to) charge more in Aus because on average disposable income is higher, meaning the relative value for a given item is lower if you price them the same.
Insaniak - In fact this pricing segmentation is not going away - it is remaining. Levis went to court not so long ago to ensure this. Same for Hermes, and other brands. When it comes to physical goods you have a LOT more control than data. The EU even has specific laws regarding this, which is why GW are allowed to restrain the export by Maelstrom et al outside the EEA. (and, if it mattered, INTO the EEA as well)
HBMC - no, theyre saying the cost of them sending the item to you, outside of their standard local stocking through their shops, is X. Same way as you can ask a company to do something "non-standard", and they will charge you far, far more than it costs them + reasonable profit - as they will do it, but they dont really want to do it, theyd rather you use the standard ways and means.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Sorry but I still don't see that as a justification for the excessive prices charged both for shipping and goods in Australia and elsewhare
Totally unconviced
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Post by: Kirasu
I SERIOUSLY doubt that the disposable income in australia reflects the price that australians pay. Im sorry I don't believe for a second that australians have double the disposable income as American gamers.
I would wager that american gamers have *more* which totally blows that excuse out of the water. However, I would believe that the price difference is due to a smaller market that has a similar income level to America and Euroland thus they need to gouge the people that do pay, and now restrict the ability of those who wont pay from buying overseas. Its a classic example of how mercantilism (tariffs) are used when you have a monopoly on a given market (As far was Warhammer goes, GW is the only producer). It's just a bizarre circumstance because they're being protectionist against themselves
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Post by: nkelsch
How does international shipping get past all these countries customs? I can barley get an ebay product from overseas or to without someone lying saying it was a gift of a 2$ toy from grandma to get it out and in to some of these countries.
Doesn't customs snatch up all these international shipping deliveries and make people pay taxes or confiscate them all together? Who is 'liable' for a package gone missing in customs when you buy internationally?
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
I would wager that american gamers have *more* (disposable income).
I would broadcast that too loudly in case if gets back to GWHQ
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Yeah, next price increase will be attributed to Kirasu for his dakka post on US gamer income
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Post by: GrimTeef
I wish there was something that we gamers could do to circumvent practices like the price disparities and shipping shenanigans.
It would be nice if somehow we could organize a method where we could order something from our favorite local store (in my case it would be one in the States here) for someone in, for example, Australia or Japan, and then ship that item to the person in Australia or Japan and just cut out this ridiculous mark-up that GW is trying to get.
I'd be a way to get the playerbase to help each other out.
It's total pie-in-the-sky thinking, and people can take all kinds of advantage if they are that sort, but it would be very cool if something like this could be worked out to the benefit of the players.
I dunno. I just feel for the folks in this trap.
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Post by: insaniak
nosferatu1001 wrote:Insaniak - In fact this pricing segmentation is not going away - it is remaining. Levis went to court not so long ago to ensure this. Same for Hermes, and other brands. When it comes to physical goods you have a LOT more control than data. The EU even has specific laws regarding this, which is why GW are allowed to restrain the export by Maelstrom et al outside the EEA. (and, if it mattered, INTO the EEA as well)
The fact that some companies are fighting the change kicking and screaming doesn't make it any less a relic of a bygone age. It will change... because as more and more of their customers take to buying online, companies will find that they don't have a choice if they want to keep those customers.
nkelsch wrote:How does international shipping get past all these countries customs? I can barley get an ebay product from overseas or to without someone lying saying it was a gift of a 2$ toy from grandma to get it out and in to some of these countries.
Doesn't customs snatch up all these international shipping deliveries and make people pay taxes or confiscate them all together? Who is 'liable' for a package gone missing in customs when you buy internationally?
Customs charges vary for different countries. Australia has no Customs duty or taxes on most incoming packages under $1000 in value. Certain companies have been lobbying for that to be changed (One of our big electrical/household chains was in the media a year or so ago complaining very loudly that buying from overseas instead of supporting Australian businesses was 'un-Australian'... Of course, this is a store that is full of product imported from China, so make of that what you will...) but even if they do wind up adding GST onto incoming purchases, the sheer disparity in pricing between here and the rest of the world makes for some pretty sweet deals when you're used to paying Oz prices.
I treat the 'disposable income' argument with a certain amount of skepticism. Averages don't tell anything like the real story... There is a huge divide in income levels here, which skews the average away from anything even closely resembling reality. I would strongly suspect that the majority of the customers that GW is trying so hard to estrange have a damn sight less disposable income than GW think they do.
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Post by: Azazelx
Kirasu wrote:I SERIOUSLY doubt that the disposable income in australia reflects the price that australians pay. Im sorry I don't believe for a second that australians have double the disposable income as American gamers.
I would wager that american gamers have *more* which totally blows that excuse out of the water. However, I would believe that the price difference is due to a smaller market that has a similar income level to America and Euroland thus they need to gouge the people that do pay, and now restrict the ability of those who wont pay from buying overseas. Its a classic example of how mercantilism (tariffs) are used when you have a monopoly on a given market (As far was Warhammer goes, GW is the only producer). It's just a bizarre circumstance because they're being protectionist against themselves
Australian prices aren't based on disposable income, but on the exchange rate from about 5 years ago - with annual price rises, repackaging price rises, etc, etc added in. Lots of local prices for things spiked when the dollar nosedived back then, as businesses that import their stuff had to survive, and fair enough. What has happened since is that they have kept their prices at that level, since they "don't know when that could happen again and we would lose money" but more meaningfully because they're now enjoying the increased profit between the old exchange rates and the new.
Even concert tickets did this. Jumped, and stayed high. GW isn't alone in this kind of gouging practice.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Computer games are like this as well. Before 'Next Gen Pricing' came in and everything became US$60, most games were US$50. The Australian dollar, worth roughly half that of the US dollar, meant that our games were $100.
US games jumped to US$60, ours got bumped to AUD$110. They still are, even though our dollar is now worth more (and for years was sitting in the high 80c/low 90c). Thankfully, for us Aussies at least, there are always alternatives.
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Post by: Azazelx
insaniak wrote: Certain companies have been lobbying for that to be changed (One of our big electrical/household chains was in the media a year or so ago complaining very loudly that buying from overseas instead of supporting Australian businesses was 'un-Australian'... Of course, this is a store that is full of product imported from China, so make of that what you will...)
As you say - it was perfectly fine and "Australian" for HN and other big retailers to bypass the local manufacturing industry (killing it in the process) to purchase cheap product from China.
OTOH, it's "un-Australian" for consumers to do essentially the same thing and bypass the local retail industry (which has been happily marking things as high as they like) to purchase the same product from ...almost anywhere else in the world.
 
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Mr. Harvey got no where with that demand, so I wouldn't worry that much about it.
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Post by: zombie
H.B.M.C. wrote:Mr. Harvey got no where with that demand, so I wouldn't worry that much about it.
but he did have one last whine that everybody was picking on him
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Post by: insaniak
H.B.M.C. wrote:Mr. Harvey got no where with that demand, so I wouldn't worry that much about it.
Mind you, part of that was probably just down to his headlines being stolen by half the country sliding underwater. Give him time to get back up to steam... It will no doubt come up again.
It's a ridiculous argument, though. Adding a 10% GST to prices that are half what we're paying locally isn't going to discourage people from buying overseas.
I do still occasionally daydream about walking into Harvey Norman and demanding they show me their range of Australian-made TVs...
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Post by: HarlequinZero
Not all companies do this price segregation junk. Apple, (yes, the electronics behemoth,) actually LOWERED their Japanese prices by about 20% earlier this year to make it less attractive for people to import Apple goods from overseas. I mean, with the ridiculously strong yen it's not like they're losing much of anything and, more importantly, they're protecting their Japanese retail division.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I think Lego tries to keep prices consistant across the world as well. And even if they didn't, and even if they sold a lego pirate ship for twice as much here than over there, I doubt they'd slap a shipping charge 2600% the price of the items if I ordered it from overseas.
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Post by: Chibi Bodge-Battle
Yeah but they build a big freight ship out of Lego and when it gets to the destination it is dismantled and boxed up to be sold
At least I think that is how it works
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Post by: SagesStone
Guess it would make their pirate Lego ships seem more authentic.
It's sort of depressing this news wasn't actually surprising to me.
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Post by: Azazelx
And just as I noticed that the Iron Hands Boxed set is actually reasonably priced in the UK.. I don't really want to do another GWUK order via Germany, though.. :p Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:Computer games are like this as well. Before 'Next Gen Pricing' came in and everything became US$60, most games were US$50. The Australian dollar, worth roughly half that of the US dollar, meant that our games were $100.
US games jumped to US$60, ours got bumped to AUD$110. They still are, even though our dollar is now worth more (and for years was sitting in the high 80c/low 90c). Thankfully, for us Aussies at least, there are always alternatives.
Yeah, I've been buying from xbite and zavvi for a couple of years now.
Also, Steam sale gifts from a mate in Canadia.
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Post by: SickSix
It is really frustrating to see these type of business practices from a company that has an IP that I love. Something needs to change.
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Post by: Kirasu
Most likely the only change that would help is one of your location
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Post by: HarlequinZero
Got this in my email the other day from GW Japan:
Dear Customers,
Thank you for your messages regarding the price rise of the shipping fees from the UK/USA to Japan.
I can understand your frustration in not being able to enjoy a service you where very comfortable with, and we are very sorry that you are feeling upset. Many of you mentioned they wouldn’t receive a reply from Games Workshop, but since we take pride in our customer service I am very glad to share some thoughts and explain the reasons why we had to take such a decision.
Concerning the English language support, we understand that a lot of English speaking foreigners find it hard to understand Japanese. We won’t leave you alone to deal with the Japanese web store by yourselves. We are happy to provide you with guidance, and help to place your orders. I will be more than happy to help you ordering your items through the Japanese web store. You will enjoy an easy and straight forward service with reliable and inclusive prices.
English Language Support Benefits:
l Japanese Bilingual Customer Service:
You can ring from Monday to Friday at 03-3296-3512, and I will personally provide help and guidance to either place an order on the Japanese webstore or placing an order on your behalf using the Customer Service System.
l Access to all of the English and Specialist Games range:
Simply browse through the other countries web stores and once you have decided what products you need just ring the Customer Service Team we will be able to place an order on your behalf. You can also find the same English language products on the Japanese web store in the related section.
Now I think are in order some explanations about the recent changes in the shipping fees. You might not know that shipping items from a country to the other is extremely expensive and the process is very long and often difficult. These difficulties are reflected by the shipping prices most companies will charge you when you send products from a country to another. Games Workshop unfortunately is no different then other companies and we have to face a lot of costs during the shipping process. Until now Games Workshop UK/US where absorbing this extra cost but the actual economic situation does not allows Games Workshop UK/US to absorb these costs any longer and as a consequence the latter are reflected on the shipping charges to our customers.
In case you are not convinced I would suggest you check the shipping fees companies such as UPS or DHL charge their customers you will be surprised as I was when I asked.
Games Workshop Japan as well is facing costs that are not influenced by the exchange rate (wages, rents etc.) therefore if you add all together this factors you will undoubtedly have higher prices, but on the other hand through the Japanese web store we are able to offer much better shipping fees and services to our customers
Japanese Web Store Benefits:
l Access to the full range of Games Workshop products and English language products. (Note that this is a service we only offer for Japan, if you want to buy for example an Italian Codex from Japan you will have to do that from the Italian web site with related shipping fees!)
l Inclusive Japanese Shipping Fees:
1) Free shipping for orders over 10.000 Yen
2) Standard Shipping 750 Yen (orders under 10.000 Yen)
3) Express shipping 2250 Yen (1500 Yen for order over 10.000 Yen)
4) Cash on Delivery Service 2250 Yen (1800 Yen for orders over 10.000 Yen)
5) Access to all of the English language products and Specialist game range
I hope this message can give you an idea of why certain decisions where made and I hope you will understand the future benefits these changes will make possible.
Sincerely
Games Workshop Japan
Customer Service Manager
Giovanni Allari
So, apparently GW UK has been eating 40~50 GBP losses on each and every package to Japan! Yet they don't change their shipping policy to any other country on the planet? Hmm....
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Post by: AlexHolker
HarlequinZero wrote:So, apparently GW UK has been eating 40~50 GBP losses on each and every package to Japan! Yet they don't change their shipping policy to any other country on the planet? Hmm....
It's the exact same response as last time they screwed us: lie their asses off and hope nobody notices. A two kilogram (~4.5 pound) package would cost 23.13 pounds to ship to Japan or Australia via Royal Mail Airmail. cite To reach 60 pounds you'd have to be sending 5 kilograms (11 pounds). A Hammerhead does not weigh 5 kilograms. A 12mL bottle of paint does not weigh 5 kilograms.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
They claim to send by UPS/DHL.
Now those are expensive, but you can post royal mail with full insurance for up to £500 for a fraction of the cost.
I posted a box of CDs weighing 1.2kg to Australia and stuck the insurance on top and it came to £20.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
HarlequinZero wrote:So, apparently GW UK has been eating 40~50 GBP losses on each and every package to Japan! Yet they don't change their shipping policy to any other country on the planet? Hmm....
They have. Shipping to Australia is now sometimes more than the item itself. Anyway... GW wrote:You might not know that shipping items from a country to the other is extremely expensive and the process is very long and often difficult. These difficulties are reflected by the shipping prices most companies will charge you when you send products from a country to another. Games Workshop unfortunately is no different then other companies and we have to face a lot of costs during the shipping process.
Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. Bull gak. It does NOT cost £60 to ship a pot of Skull White to Australia. You were not eating those costs. Total and utter bs. Automatically Appended Next Post: Howard A Treesong wrote:They claim to send by UPS/DHL.
Also bs. If they shipped UPS, it would arrive via courier (like the box I got from FFG the other day which did come via UPS). Every GWUS and GWUK item I have ever ordered has come via surface mail (either USPS or Royal Mail). And none of these services cost as much for international shipping as GW claims. This isn't the turn of the 20th century. Shipping is pretty normal.
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Post by: Temujin
Is having some customer service guy lie through his teeth supposed to make the situation better? Granted, I was already dissatified enough before this latest insult to put me in boycott territory, but every time they try to explain why they're treating us like dirt it just makes me hate them even more. If they'd just stopped international shipping altogether it would have been much less aggravating, but instead they've decided to close it down by inventing hilarious charges to ensure that it is more expensive in every possible scenario, which has the same practical effect with twice the insult value. Then we have the ungratifying spectacle of this Giovanni guy asking us to believe that it actually costs £60 to send a pot of paint to Japan. The fact that he's specifically addressing foreign residents who are invariably well acquainted with international shipping costs makes it all the more absurd.
My current project is missing a few models that I'd quite like to pick up. It's well within my means to buy these, even at the stupid prices they charge in Japan, but I'm resigned now to the fact that I will never buy them, because the ill will that GW has amassed with me is simply unsurmountable.
At the end of the day GW thinks that it can manipulate me into spending my money in the manner most advantageous to them, and I won't have it. They think they can just keep piling on punitive restriction after punitive restriction until all customers relent and behave as GW would like them to - visiting their stores to receive their weekly allocated dose of sales propaganda, buying their monthly sales catalogue to find out what new products they're releasing tomorrow, and buying our models at the full retail price they've jacked up as far as they feel they can get away with in our local currency. If GW wasn't happy with the money they were getting from me prior to all this embargo nonsense, they're welcome to dispense with my business. The idea that they can herd me towards their ideal by banning my avenue of purchase and repeatedly feeding me lies about it is laughable. Until they can restrict my option to just stop buying their products, this manipulation strategy of theirs is doomed to fail.
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Post by: Aspiring Champion
Spot on, Temujin. I didn't think GW could insult my intelligence more than they already had with the embargoes. Yet, here they are, doing just that. They've taken away any joy I get from my GW minis. I have no interest in actually doing anything with them anymore as just looking at them reminds me of how GW is treating me like dirt. It truly feels like a slap across the face, and when I turned the other cheek, they slapped that one, too. Only a complete rescission of the embargoes along with an apology will ever see me buying anything from GW again.
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Post by: Azazelx
Simply a load of BS.
Still, I continue to buy their products. I just use other methods. Yeah, I know, I'm not exactly "sticking it to the man" buy buying their crap from overseas, but hey...
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Post by: SteveimusPrime
H.B.M.C. wrote:Check Dicebucket. I know they still ship to Australia, they might ship to Japan.
Have any Australian players used Dicebucket? They seem to be one of the only places that don't want to bend us over and take all our money.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I always put my money where my mouth is, and wouldn't reccommend them unless I had tried them myself. Dicebucket and Chaos Orc are both good stores that still ship over here.
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Post by: Miguelsan
I wish Dicebucket would ship to Japan, I wanted to order some individual necrons and some Krieg but after GWs latest antics they´ll be lucky if I ever buy anything from an official shop/site again.
M. Automatically Appended Next Post: Howard A Treesong wrote:They claim to send by UPS/DHL.
Now those are expensive, but you can post royal mail with full insurance for up to £500 for a fraction of the cost.
I posted a box of CDs weighing 1.2kg to Australia and stuck the insurance on top and it came to £20.
Actually he doesn´t claim that as that would be a bald lie that could lead him to trouble, people used to recieve their stuff with Royal Mail markings (don´t know from now on what will happen) and by regular mail package to boot, not the fancy 24h/insured/trackable... type. He simply suggested you to check what UPS would charge to send something here with all bells and whistles. It would be akin to the Toyota dealership saying that they are not overcharging you on a oil change because Ferrari fees costs 10 times as much.
M.
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Post by: AesSedai
I've met Giovanni and conversed with him, If I ever see him again (I'm sure I will) I'm going to have to call him out on that email. You can find him at GW Japan's office on the floor above the Jimbocho store, here in Tokyo.
Regarding shipping: What a load of BS. Someone needs to tell Giovanni-san that GW shills can put lipstick on a pig, but the foreign gamers of Japan won't be kissing it. How utterly insulting of him to expect that foreign residents of Japan are so ignorant of actual shipping cost. See H.B.M.C and the mysterious Case of the Skull White Paint.
Regarding service: The worst customer service I ever had from GW was at the Nakano store, relating to the Japanese webstore. If Giovanni is going to be a one-man bilingual support department, I suppose that's pretty cool of him and that will be a feather in his cap.
Temujin, don't let GW becoming their own worst enemy alienate you in the process. Buy online and ship it to Japan. You have to look harder, and your discount won't be as deep as it was before--but you can still get by especially when you consider the exchange rate.
Check it out--Do you like venoms? Well, I sure do!
Price of a Venom kit, shipped from America to my door as of today:
35.29 USD = 2,721.56 JPY
Price of a Venom kit PURCHASED OFF THE FETHING SHELF, without even considering exorbitant shipping prices (consider that Japanese customers have to spend the equivalent of $129.66 to even qualify for free shipping, by far the most of any country) is:
4,100.00 JPY = 53.1639 USD
Yeah, I think what I'll do is reward GW by buying none of their products directly through them and then use their great tables as I choose to play games with my friends. Also, when GW Japan withers and dies thanks to their ridiculous and insulting practices, I will start a gaming club or join the excellent Nerima-ku miniatures club and benefit from a hobby community that is pulled from the scores upon scores of GW hobbyists coming to Japan each and every year to teach English and/or study.
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Post by: MrFlutterPie
Gw has been taking more and more control of their stuff for awhile now.
It's obvious that they are eventually going to move towards a monopoly on self distribution. The day is coming where the only way to get GW stuff is to buy it from a GW store or from GW direct service. GW will shut down all internet sales at some point. Look at all the crazy rules they have been putting online retailers for years now.
The writing is on the wall. They are moving aggressively to complete control of their product.
I am worried about the day they knock out ebay. Yes ebay is big enough to tell them to STFU but won't. GW will tell ebay you can't have their products on ebay's website. Ebay will comply simply because the legal cost of defending their right to allow GW products sold on their website will be more then what ebay is making off fees on GW products.
Mark my words in a few years you will only be able to buy GW stuff legally from GW themselves.
But won't this cost GW a ton of customers? Yes but they will make it up in increased profit margins. Say Gw makes a $50 and they mark it up 50% to make $25 a kit. But to sell it to a LGS/webstore they sell that $50 kit to them for like $35 so the Webstore/LGS. By only self disturbing GW now make an $10 on each $50 kit they sell. They will lose a lot of customers but the new profit margin will cover the loss of players. *These are rough estimates not actual facts* GW wants to cut out the middle man charge full prices and make extra money on each sale and if you don't like your screwed.
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Post by: Azazelx
At a certain point though - the prices are just too high for parents and kids to support. Never mind us "hobbyists". With a Playstation 3 or 360 costing in the realm of AU$300 and games as cheap as $20... a Black Reach box can't compete with that.
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Post by: insaniak
MrFlutterPie wrote:It's obvious that they are eventually going to move towards a monopoly on self distribution. The day is coming where the only way to get GW stuff is to buy it from a GW store or from GW direct service. GW will shut down all internet sales at some point.
Yeah, that won't happen.
In some countries it's illegal for them to 'shut down' internet sales. The only way that would happen is if they stop selling to independant retailers entirely. And that won't happen because GW stores just don't (and won't ever) have sufficient coverage for them to actually do that and not lose a hefty chunk of their market.
And I very seriously doubt that GW has anywhere near the clout they would need for eBay to just nod and say 'yussir' and ban GW product.
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Post by: MrFlutterPie
Is it illegal for GW to stop selling their products to other retailers? Is it illegal to self distribute only? Is there a law saying that a company HAS to sell it's products to other retailers including internet stores?
That's how they are going to do it. GW will stop selling their product to everybody. They will one day just tell everybody that they are closing their account with said store and will no longer be making their products available to them.
As for ebay I hope you are right but I'm betting GW will simply sue ebay repeatedly until ebay's legal costs get ridiculous and ebay will say screw it and just comply. I rather hope that's not the case.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
MrFlutterPie wrote:That's how they are going to do it. GW will stop selling their product to everybody. They will one day just tell everybody that they are closing their account with said store and will no longer be making their products available to them.
I'm sure that's what they want to do, and in a country as small as England it might actually work (or even in a large country with a small population, like Australia), but the US is a vast place with a lot of people covering almost every inch of it. They cannot cover that, and so they need gaming stores.
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Post by: derek
Locking out local stores from carrying their product would kill their business. No one currently in the US that isn't already playing in a GW or exclusively at home is just going to all of a sudden say, "Oh well, guess we'll just order from GW and take up basement gaming."
No store that has been burned by this is going to just let players use table space for GW games, especially when it's basically providing advertising for something they've been locked out of selling.
I'm all for calling GW on their BS, but if they think they can move to being the only one selling their product, their fantasy life is the kind that requires living in a padded room.
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Post by: SickSix
derek wrote:Locking out local stores from carrying their product would kill their business. No one currently in the US that isn't already playing in a GW or exclusively at home is just going to all of a sudden say, "Oh well, guess we'll just order from GW and take up basement gaming."
No store that has been burned by this is going to just let players use table space for GW games, especially when it's basically providing advertising for something they've been locked out of selling.
I'm all for calling GW on their BS, but if they think they can move to being the only one selling their product, their fantasy life is the kind that requires living in a padded room.
Actually, I bet you that MOST gamers in the US will just quit buying period. You really think gamers that are use to paying 20% less than retail and no shipping, are suddenly going to be fine with paying 20% more plus shipping??? I don't think so.
It is a very rare instance that buying from my FLGS is not the cheapest route for a new box. If they cut them off, I could move to Amazon.com, but if they cut both off, I'm done, period.
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Post by: derek
SickSix wrote:Actually, I bet you that MOST gamers in the US will just quit buying period.
Most definitely. The closest game store to me doesn't offer discounts of any kind (other than a $5.00 gift certificate per $100.00 spent), so it doesn't see a lot of movement of their GW product due to the increasing backlash against the retail price set by Games-Workshop. So if GW fails/cuts off LGS from selling it wouldn't hurt them, they still make a decent living through their card gaming, board games, and Warmachine, which is far better stocked, and frequently sold than any GW product. In the very unlikely chance it happens, I feel sorry for any LGS that relies mostly on GW to survive. But then, I don't imagine there are many of them.
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Post by: Pael
derek wrote:SickSix wrote:Actually, I bet you that MOST gamers in the US will just quit buying period.
Most definitely. The closest game store to me doesn't offer discounts of any kind (other than a $5.00 gift certificate per $100.00 spent), so it doesn't see a lot of movement of their GW product due to the increasing backlash against the retail price set by Games-Workshop. So if GW fails/cuts off LGS from selling it wouldn't hurt them, they still make a decent living through their card gaming, board games, and Warmachine, which is far better stocked, and frequently sold than any GW product. In the very unlikely chance it happens, I feel sorry for any LGS that relies mostly on GW to survive. But then, I don't imagine there are many of them.
I agree with this the three closest stores to me all sell a little GW but it is not their main form of business. The cardboard crack or models is where they see the big bucks.
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Post by: insaniak
MrFlutterPie wrote:That's how they are going to do it. GW will stop selling their product to everybody. They will one day just tell everybody that they are closing their account with said store and will no longer be making their products available to them.
Nope, won't happen.
In the UK, it's potentially feasible, although given the way they've been downsizing or closing GW stores recently, seems unlikely.
In Australia, not a chance. There are too many areas where their customer base is just too spread out for GW stores to be profitable.
In the US, likewise not a chance... at least not for the 10 or 20 years that it would take to expand their store network to have the same sort of coverage that it has in the UK.
Can't speak for Europe... no idea what the coverage is like for GW stoes vs independant retailers.
As for ebay I hope you are right but I'm betting GW will simply sue ebay repeatedly until ebay's legal costs get ridiculous and ebay will say screw it and just comply.
I'm betting that they wouldn't, since it would be a pointless waste of money.
Seriously, there are plenty of stupid things that GW have actually done that we can point and laugh at without having to invent more.
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Post by: cadbren
Worglock wrote:The product is either worth it for you to pay the prices they want, or it's not.
It's not worth it and I wonder how much longer they can operate in countries like mine given our lower wages in comparison to other OECD countries. On a related note I found it odd that a shop that was selling a chinese language version of the Assault on Black Reach (which was unusual in itself) was selling it for $20 NZ less than the english version.
Weird inconsistencies like this abound though.
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Post by: PhantomViper
Temujin wrote:Is having some customer service guy lie through his teeth supposed to make the situation better? Granted, I was already dissatified enough before this latest insult to put me in boycott territory, but every time they try to explain why they're treating us like dirt it just makes me hate them even more. If they'd just stopped international shipping altogether it would have been much less aggravating, but instead they've decided to close it down by inventing hilarious charges to ensure that it is more expensive in every possible scenario, which has the same practical effect with twice the insult value. Then we have the ungratifying spectacle of this Giovanni guy asking us to believe that it actually costs £60 to send a pot of paint to Japan. The fact that he's specifically addressing foreign residents who are invariably well acquainted with international shipping costs makes it all the more absurd.
My current project is missing a few models that I'd quite like to pick up. It's well within my means to buy these, even at the stupid prices they charge in Japan, but I'm resigned now to the fact that I will never buy them, because the ill will that GW has amassed with me is simply unsurmountable.
At the end of the day GW thinks that it can manipulate me into spending my money in the manner most advantageous to them, and I won't have it. They think they can just keep piling on punitive restriction after punitive restriction until all customers relent and behave as GW would like them to - visiting their stores to receive their weekly allocated dose of sales propaganda, buying their monthly sales catalogue to find out what new products they're releasing tomorrow, and buying our models at the full retail price they've jacked up as far as they feel they can get away with in our local currency. If GW wasn't happy with the money they were getting from me prior to all this embargo nonsense, they're welcome to dispense with my business. The idea that they can herd me towards their ideal by banning my avenue of purchase and repeatedly feeding me lies about it is laughable. Until they can restrict my option to just stop buying their products, this manipulation strategy of theirs is doomed to fail.
Exalted and I hope that you'ev sent a copy of this as a reply to that email.
So lying through their teeth is the new GW way of justifying price increases to their customers? Just when I thought that they couldn't sink any lower...
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
MrFlutterPie wrote:Is it illegal for GW to stop selling their products to other retailers? Is it illegal to self distribute only? Is there a law saying that a company HAS to sell it's products to other retailers including internet stores?
That's how they are going to do it. GW will stop selling their product to everybody. They will one day just tell everybody that they are closing their account with said store and will no longer be making their products available to them.
As for ebay I hope you are right but I'm betting GW will simply sue ebay repeatedly until ebay's legal costs get ridiculous and ebay will say screw it and just comply. I rather hope that's not the case.
Games Workshop will never do that. They make upwards of 55% of the sales through their trade sales account and that would just be the fething cap in the hat for Mr Kirby and show his utter disreguard for the company and the shareholders. In the rest of the world GW has a miniscule presence, with no where enough stores to pick up the slack in lost sales. Think about north America ( I see you live in Canada also where abouts if I may ask? I live in port moody bc.) there are upward of 300 million american and around 30-35 millionish Canadians. Both Canada and america cover a vast amount of realestate and it would be completely luderious to think that they could open enough stores in all the major cities in north america let alone all the crappy little towns, villages, hamelets, etc etc that are serviced by FLGS. Would GW be totally batfeth insane for doing this? Yes...would I put it past them...no... I really think there is that big of a disconnect between GamesWorkshop PLC and its' customers. Hell they don't even know who their customers are, they don't know weather or not they are a retailer or a manufacturer. They don't know whos buying there stuff or why. I know it's hard to believe as a 100 million + pound a year company, but honestly they have no clue. They just think that because it's kids in their hobby centers that that's who must be buying there murchandice. Hence there 'churn and burn' mentallity with customers. Just remember kiddies, GW customers only hang around for 18 months tops. Thats why they keep pulling the same dumb stunts over and over again because each time it's a new set of customers to feth over.
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Post by: LunaHound
scipio.au wrote:At a certain point though - the prices are just too high for parents and kids to support. Never mind us "hobbyists". With a Playstation 3 or 360 costing in the realm of AU$300 and games as cheap as $20... a Black Reach box can't compete with that.
There will be GW fans that willl tell you that a warhammer kit will last you indefinitely while a video game will only last you 8 hour play time.
Count on it, its been used defending GW prices many times xD
Are you still here HBMC? dont tell me you are on vacation....
Exalted this EPIC thread.
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Post by: Kouzuki
lol I came across this too. Its pretty horrendous. I can literally order from forgeworld and get it delivered for CHEAPER than retail prices here in Japan.
Anyway, the best way to get around this is honestly, through e-bay stores from the US or the UK. Even with shipping paid in, buying from these stores is quite literally still 50% off GW Japan MSRP.
disgusting.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
Kouzuki wrote:lol I came across this too. Its pretty horrendous. I can literally order from forgeworld and get it delivered for CHEAPER than retail prices here in Japan.
Anyway, the best way to get around this is honestly, through e-bay stores. I think they'll still ship outside of their "designated area."
Yeppers, I find it rather amusing that in Canada Forgeworld is the cheeper alterative to GW. I do love those mkII-MKVI marine kits and the contemtpor kit.
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Post by: HarlequinZero
FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Yeppers, I find it rather amusing that in Canada Forgeworld is the cheeper alterative to GW. I do love those mkII-MKVI marine kits and the contemtpor kit.
Stop saying Forge World is cheaper than regular GW! If Kirby or his minions are reading this there will be a massive Forge World price hike and I need the Chaos Dwarf line to be fleshed out before that. 
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
HarlequinZero wrote:FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Yeppers, I find it rather amusing that in Canada Forgeworld is the cheeper alterative to GW. I do love those mkII-MKVI marine kits and the contemtpor kit.
Stop saying Forge World is cheaper than regular GW! If Kirby or his minions are reading this there will be a massive Forge World price hike and I need the Chaos Dwarf line to be fleshed out before that.
Ok, i'll delete it if...since your from Japan..you send me all the Cool Ghost in the Shell Tachikoma toys and cool Gundam model kits you can find.
No worries about GW reading this though, to them this 'internet' thingy is just a fad and will pass soon and end like all fads....
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Post by: zombie
H.B.M.C. wrote:MrFlutterPie wrote:That's how they are going to do it. GW will stop selling their product to everybody. They will one day just tell everybody that they are closing their account with said store and will no longer be making their products available to them.
I'm sure that's what they want to do, and in a country as small as England it might actually work (or even in a large country with a small population, like Australia), but the US is a vast place with a lot of people covering almost every inch of it. They cannot cover that, and so they need gaming stores.
Arn't you working on the assumption that GW is still capable of making vaguely sane business decisions. These days I would not put it past them
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Post by: SagesStone
FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:HarlequinZero wrote:FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Yeppers, I find it rather amusing that in Canada Forgeworld is the cheeper alterative to GW. I do love those mkII-MKVI marine kits and the contemtpor kit.
Stop saying Forge World is cheaper than regular GW! If Kirby or his minions are reading this there will be a massive Forge World price hike and I need the Chaos Dwarf line to be fleshed out before that.
Ok, i'll delete it if...since your from Japan..you send me all the Cool Ghost in the Shell Tachikoma toys and cool Gundam model kits you can find.
No worries about GW reading this though, to them this 'internet' thingy is just a fad and will pass soon and end like all fads....
But what if they Screenshot it? They have a team employed just for this.
It may be too late.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
n0t_u wrote:FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:HarlequinZero wrote:FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:
Yeppers, I find it rather amusing that in Canada Forgeworld is the cheeper alterative to GW. I do love those mkII-MKVI marine kits and the contemtpor kit.
Stop saying Forge World is cheaper than regular GW! If Kirby or his minions are reading this there will be a massive Forge World price hike and I need the Chaos Dwarf line to be fleshed out before that.
Ok, i'll delete it if...since your from Japan..you send me all the Cool Ghost in the Shell Tachikoma toys and cool Gundam model kits you can find.
No worries about GW reading this though, to them this 'internet' thingy is just a fad and will pass soon and end like all fads....
But what if they Screenshot it? They have a team employed just for this.
It may be too late.
I don't know if the internet will stand still for 5 minutes while the picture focuses... =o].
All I want to know is, what are the top brass at GW smoking and where can I get some?
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Post by: SagesStone
They are smoking Space Marines and you can get them at your local finely constructed Games Workshop Store.
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Post by: Azazelx
LunaHound wrote:scipio.au wrote:At a certain point though - the prices are just too high for parents and kids to support. Never mind us "hobbyists". With a Playstation 3 or 360 costing in the realm of AU$300 and games as cheap as $20... a Black Reach box can't compete with that.
There will be GW fans that willl tell you that a warhammer kit will last you indefinitely while a video game will only last you 8 hour play time.
Count on it, its been used defending GW prices many times xD
Heh. The thing is, I don't give a *expletive* about that counter-argument. I'm not the one that have to argue with - it's the multitudes of teenagers who have Xboxes and PlayStations. I personally have kits that are older than many of the people on Dakka, that I've gotten very much "love you long time" value from, but I'm not the one they need to convince.
Ask a teenager if they'd like a copy of AOBR or an Xbox. Or ask the teenager if they'd like AOBR or six games for their PlayStation. Better yet, ask a bunch of 13 year-olds which one they'd like better, or which one they own.
Oh, and the most popular games with "the kids" these days include things like Call of Duty et al where the hook is endless online play, often with friends, often for an hour or more each and every day.
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