These are probably the same sort of a-holes who stood around drinking champagne and mocking the protestors. Oh well, they'll get theirs pretty soon. Every pyramid scam collapses eventually.
Indeed. I'm sure these rich stock traders think it's very funny just like their other taunts to the people below. But if the crowd were in the wrong mood something like this could start a riot.
Pretty hilarious actually. The OWS protestors are no better than squatters, defiling the areas where they're "occupying." The mayors of these towns need to step up and start enforcing some law and order on these groups.
Pretty hilarious actually. The OWS protestors are no better than squatters, defiling the areas where they're "occupying." The mayors of these towns need to step up and start enforcing some law and order on these groups.
Those silly young people Nov 7th 2011, 19:37 by R.A. | WASHINGTON
WITH interest growing in Occupy Wall Street and the troubled, underemployed, indebted young, newspaper editors are hitting the streets, tracking down representative individuals and publishing their story. Only, these are the stories they're coming up with:
A few years ago, Joe Therrien, a graduate of the NYC Teaching Fellows program, was working as a full-time drama teacher at a public elementary school in New York City. Frustrated by huge class sizes, sparse resources and a disorganized bureaucracy, he set off to the University of Connecticut to get an MFA in his passion—puppetry. Three years and $35,000 in student loans later, he emerged with degree in hand, and because puppeteers aren’t exactly in high demand…he’s working at his old school as a full-time “substitute”…[earning less than he did before]. …Like a lot of the young protesters who have flocked to Occupy Wall Street, Joe had thought that hard work and education would bring, if not class mobility, at least a measure of security…But the past decade of stagnant wages for the 99 percent and million-dollar bonuses for the 1 percent has awakened the kids of the middle class to a national nightmare: the dream that coaxed their parents to meet the demands of work, school, mortgage payments and tuition bills is shattered.
As Alex Tabarrok says, this seems to reflect less poorly on the unfortunate puppeteer than on the editor who thought this sounded like a true hard case. Mr Tabarrok's fellow blogger, Tyler Cowen, seems anxious to read great portent into this genre of stories, however. He links to a similar piece and writes:
She has heavy student debt and does not know how to pay it back; in the meantime she has become an activist against Bank of America’s proposed debit card fee. She doesn’t have a full-time steady job and her story is here. She majored in art and architectural history and spent her summers interning at art museums... I should stress that I am sympathetic with some of her choices (not the tub of beer), and you can read this as reflecting some strengths of American higher education. Still, not all liberal arts students have her organizational and media talents, and this kind of story goes a long way toward explaining the current job market malaise for the young. Even she is having a hard time finding remunerative work and getting on a career track. Furthermore, she doesn’t seem to be striving for that.
Personally, I think this kind of blog post—Mr Cowen's—goes a long way toward explaining the current job market malaise for the young. It is remarkable to me how readily old, successful professionals dismiss the labour-market difficulties of young adults as the product of their poorly-chosen majors and general lack of ambition, and on what flimsy evidence they're prepared to base these views. There are now 3.3m unemployed workers between the ages of 25 and 34. That's more than twice the level in 2007. There are over 2m unemployed college graduates of all ages; nearly three times the level of 2007. There are many millions more that are underemployed—unwillingly working less than full-time or unwillingly working in a job outside their field which pays less than jobs in their field. As far as I know, the distribution of college majors didn't swing dramatically from quantitative fields to art history over the past half decade.
Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal provides us with a handy interactive graphic examining unemployment rates by major according to the 2010 Census. Coming in toward the top of the list and ahead of "art history and criticism" are the sorts of degrees you'd expect, like those falling into "miscellaneous fine arts", but also "computer administration management and security", "engineering and industrial management", "international business", "electrical and mechanic repairs and technologies", "materials engineering and materials science", "genetics", "neuroscience", "biochemical sciences", and "computer engineering". I bet those graduates are all trying to break into puppetry!
I am sure that many young graduates feel entitled to better work than they've managed to find, and some of them probably chose poorly when it came time to matriculate. But I see little evidence that high unemployment is due to the shiftlessness of youths and far more evidence that high youth unemployment is due to systematic weakness in labour markets associated with a shortfall in aggregate demand.
You know, it's easy for people to look down at the people protesting, but that doesn't mean you have some kind of moral high ground to do so.
Why? If I am being called evil and being blamed for all the sins of the world and I could, I wouldn't be dropping a lot more than mere job apps. I did manage to give the protest here the finger, but only one handed, because I was drinking coffee at the time.
Why? If I am being called evil and being blamed for all the sins of the world and I could, I wouldn't be dropping a lot more than mere job apps.
I did manage to give the protest here the finger, but only one handed, because I was drinking coffee at the time.
See, I can get behind a Texas Howdy! That's all well and good. I use my driving finger more often than I should, I suppose.
But throwing anything at or on top of people, even job applications, is just being a dick.
Excellent.
Won't work though. Working at McDonald's requires effort.
A hell of a lot more then working on a board committee!
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SlaveToDorkness wrote:Awesome! Too bad you need to shower to work at McDonalds. Patchouli isn't a soap substitute.
How is treating another human being like that "Awesome"? It's that attitude that is the problem.
It's far better than the "1%-ers" have been treated by the OWS crowd.
Ye, because "they started it" is an adult argument. For the record I'm not for either side, I think both are wrong.
Somehow I don't think that the 1%ers feelings are much cared about considering that they're averagely making 250-500% more then they were a decade ago while the rest of us are making less. You should take a trip down to to that oligarchy thread and the wonder why these asshats are worth several hundred thousands times as much as you!
Picture a person, a fruitcake, a nutcase, living like a hermit in their own little cacoon, stares at their computer all day, their entire social life is spent in their rooms through their social networks, they dream of being cool or accepted, they are lazy, miserable,or fat, weak, ,or ugly confused, unproductive maybe a junkie or a dropout,, they consider themselves to be a victim but know not of ...what. Their miserable existence is someone elses fault, now with months and months if not years of indoctronation under their belt this is their coming out party.
This whole movement is about a bunch of loser antisocial unproductive malconents
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What bothers me most about this “movement,” and there is a lot about it that bothers me, is that these people are completely clueless. More to t...he point, the overwhelming majority of them are college students, who obviously don’t have to work because they are out on the streets in the middle of the day while the rest of us are working. This includes their parents, who are no doubt paying for their tuition, rent, books and other expenses. Unfortunately for those parents, instead of being grateful for their incredible good fortune, they are out skipping classes and getting arrested
Picture a person, a fruitcake, a nutcase, living like a hermit in their own little cacoon, stares at their computer all day, their entire social life is spent in their rooms through their social networks, they dream of being cool or accepted, they are lazy, miserable,or fat, weak, ,or ugly confused, unproductive maybe a junkie or a dropout,, they consider themselves to be a victim but know not of ...what. Their miserable existence is someone elses fault, now with months and months if not years of indoctronation under their belt this is their coming out party.
This whole movement is about a bunch of loser antisocial unproductive malconents
No, it has a very solid foundation on economic fact and rapidly rising income disparities that are generated in what has become a fundamentally unfair system. Mind you most of them don't know what the hell they're talking about, but then protest movements often times coalesce around real issues and fill themselves with people who don't know what they are.
Many are holding signs that say things like; “Capitalism doesn’t work. Try Socialism.” Really?
What bothers me most about this “movement,” and there is a lot about it that bothers me, is that these people are completely clueless. More to t...he point, the overwhelming majority of them are college students, who obviously don’t have to work because they are out on the streets in the middle of the day while the rest of us are working.
Except the 9% unemployed, 16% if you count those that gave up or have been searching for more then six months.
What bothers me most about this “movement,” and there is a lot about it that bothers me, is that these people are completely clueless. More to t...he point, the overwhelming majority of them are college students, who obviously don’t have to work because they are out on the streets in the middle of the day while the rest of us are working.
You have the demographics of the movement! Please share!
This includes their parents, who are no doubt paying for their tuition, rent, books and other expenses. Unfortunately for those parents, instead of being grateful for their incredible good fortune, they are out skipping classes and getting arrested
The news media watchdog Accuracy in Media (AIM) released a video Wednesday that may denounce the notions from some that the Occupy protesters are primarily concerned with jobs.
In it, “head hunters” set up a table full of job applications ...near the protest and start offering them to protesters. But the reception they get, according to the video, is less than warm. To many, that might seem odd considering the protesters have camped out in our nations capital for over a month following the Occupy Wall Street protest that began on September 17, partly because of no jobs
Tigerone wrote:The news media watchdog Accuracy in Media (AIM) released a video Wednesday that may denounce the notions from some that the Occupy protesters are primarily concerned with jobs.
In it, “head hunters” set up a table full of job applications ...near the protest and start offering them to protesters. But the reception they get, according to the video, is less than warm. To many, that might seem odd considering the protesters have camped out in our nations capital for over a month following the Occupy Wall Street protest that began on September 17, partly because of no jobs
This post implies a fundamental lack of understanding about the protest. It also implies that you get your news and information straight from the conservative teat. The aren't there because they can't find work. Many of them quit their jobs to protest. They're there to protest income disparity and the wealth gap which is at an all time high.
They should think themselves lucky, If it was down to me id have thrown a white phosphorus grenade!
You wouldn't of been in a board room. Or in wall street. Or in new York. You're not that kind of money.
Well, I suppose your half right, its not the the blood though! My big brother is a friend of Mike Ashley, sits on his board and clears about 250 grand a year.
The younger sibling wanted to shoot people, the elder has the big money. He works 70 hours a week though, and im financially sound anyway, so I don't think I made the wrong decision.
Its why I side with the fat cats. He works his arse off and the government take 50% of his money. He complains about the amount of tax he pays, and his point is a valid one. I mean, he is rich, but he aint THAT rich.
Also, everyone hates him, because they are short sighted and dont see to realise that the reason most of the CEOs make the big bucks is because they make the big decisions, get ulcers, and don't see their kids.
I would rather be poor and work less hours than bust my chops to pay more income tax frankly, and unless I ever run out of beer money (I wont) then I'm not going to look to him for a favour!
Tigerone wrote: It’s no wonder that they can’t find or keep a job with the lack of respect and poor attitude that a lot of that group shows including some of the people here in this forum.
I am not an occupy protester. I just don't like it when people with a clear lack of knowledge on the subject matter chose to spout what they've been hearing on their local fox affiliate. I don't even like these protests. I don't like protest movements, they're either utterly false like the tea party or constructed out of people with no idea what they're protesting like the occupy protests. You're just combating their ignorance with your own though, and it's not pretty.
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ShumaGorath wrote:You have the demographics of the movement! Please share!
I know you hate anyone who disagrees with you, Tigerone, but stop calling everyone who doesn't hold your exact viewpoint jobless respectless kids with bad attitudes. It's not only factually wrong, but also insulting.
Necroshea wrote:Dumpers getting chased by said angry mob with an impromptu guillotine after the incident? Now THAT'S funny.
Ah, mob violence and class warfare. A clear indication of where the left stands today.
Oh come now, everyone can jump in on sum dat mob violence. Heck, get in a room full of people, throw a chair, and instantly everyone is frothing at the mouth and looking for blood.
Also, I rather despise politics so "where the left stands" means little to me because my attention span simply will not let me soak up any of it. Although, I do recall a fine gent who told me lefties are kind of like people who put your car on cinder blocks, or something of that nature.
Right, because there's never been any right-winged mob violence. I'm sure that the historical civil rights movement would agree with that, or the modern gay rights movement, and so on...
Mob violence happens because of human nature, and not political belief.
Melissia wrote:Right, because there's never been any right-winged mob violence.
Not really, no.
Melissia wrote:I'm sure that the historical civil rights movement would agree with that
A lot of Democrats, actually.
Melissia wrote:or the modern gay rights movement, and so on...
I'm sure you can tell us where the latest mob violence against gays took place in the United States. It doesn't count if your example is a mob of pro-gay supporters against pro-marriage (or others you might label anti-gay).
Melissia wrote:Mob violence happens because of human nature, and not political belief.
When one set of political beliefs encourages mob violence, there's a problem.
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AustonT wrote:Just today or since 1789?
Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.
So protesting is ok if it's something that YOU believe in, but if not, you're scum? Wha about those darn annoying women getting in the way when they wanted the vote? Disrupting a gentleman's free time by running on to the race and causing a fuss. Also getting in the way by chaining themselves to the fences. Lets not forget the civil right movement, stirring things up and annoying people.
I have no idea what the solution is, but I do know the city had a very BIG hand in causing this financial mess and it shouldn't ever be ignored or forgotton. At least these people are getting involved and saying NO to this type of carry on.
Yeah, one of their demands is to forgive student loans. Which is completely awesome because I chose a marketable major just so I could get a job and support those who chose some sort of fine arts or humanities major.
You want to give public education teachers pay that's competitive to private school teachers. Excellent, we'll take away all their subsidies and benefits and pay them like their private counterparts.
You want to make sure that the government supplies healthcare, social security to the elderly, and supplies welfare. Okay that's understandable, but you don't want everyone to pay for this, just the rich.
You want the government to supply construction jobs to repair the country's infrastructure. Respectable, but its not giving out wealth its only moving it around and right now we need something to generate it.
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.
You want the government to force cable news networks to give free air time to political candidates if they receive enough signatures on a petition. Okay but the government doesn't have the right to influence media like that. You're fighting for a state controlled media while fighting against the state controlling your own voice. Make up your minds.
This movement boils down to "We want more money and hate those who have it.". It also seems that they want to make everyone somewhat equal in income, but instead of making the poor richer they want to make the rich poorer which is kind of like Zimbabwe compared to Liechtenstein or Switzerland.
Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.
Wow, I didn't know Mcarthy played 40k!
When one set of political beliefs encourages mob violence, there's a problem.
I've seen conservatives do it on this forum many times. You have too. Your ivory tower is built on an ocean floor, you're barely scraping above the waves.
halonachos wrote:Yeah, one of their demands is to forgive student loans. Which is completely awesome because I chose a marketable major just so I could get a job and support those who chose some sort of fine arts or humanities major.
You want to give public education teachers pay that's competitive to private school teachers. Excellent, we'll take away all their subsidies and benefits and pay them like their private counterparts.
You want to make sure that the government supplies healthcare, social security to the elderly, and supplies welfare. Okay that's understandable, but you don't want everyone to pay for this, just the rich.
You want the government to supply construction jobs to repair the country's infrastructure. Respectable, but its not giving out wealth its only moving it around and right now we need something to generate it.
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.
You want the government to force cable news networks to give free air time to political candidates if they receive enough signatures on a petition. Okay but the government doesn't have the right to influence media like that. You're fighting for a state controlled media while fighting against the state controlling your own voice. Make up your minds.
This movement boils down to "We want more money and hate those who have it.".
Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.
Wow, I didn't know Mcarthy played 40k!
Actually, McCarthy pretty much reinforces my point. He was able to create fear of Communists because they were a marginalized fringe group. Today it's not surprising (nor difficult) to find proud communists on a college campus.
And also just avoid posts that consist of a single image or emoticon. Especially if said choice is not going to add anything to the "debate" and is merely going to goad other posters.
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.
I wasn't able to find anything substantial on this claim, can you post something to back it up?
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.
I wasn't able to find anything substantial on this claim, can you post something to back it up?
Hm, turns out that wasn't John Kerry.
I too would be interested to see more information about this guy.
biccat wrote:I'm sure you can tell us where the latest mob violence against gays took place in the United States.
2007, if I remember correctly. But why restrict it to merely the US? Conservative/right wing/religious groups have long participated in violence against homosexuals across the globe. In 2008 in Moldova, homosexuals were told by an angry crowd that if they wanted to leave their bus alive they had to desztroy anything representing gay pride (they were heading to a gay pride parade). Russian authorities are similarly homophobic, and arguably they are in some ways more right wing than we (because of their supreme deregulation, which is also the cause of their corruption). 2008 in Hungary, an LGBT dignity parade was pelted with molotovs. Just last year there was an incidence of mob violence by conservative Kenyans against homosexuals.
Course, this all depends on how you want to define right wing. But given your apparent wide sweeping definition of "left", I figure you wouldn't have much of a problem with a wide sweeping definition of "right".
biccat wrote:When one set of political beliefs encourages mob violence, there's a problem.
Acting like the right wing somehow encourages it less is disingenuous at best.
Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.
Wow, I didn't know Mcarthy played 40k!
Actually, McCarthy pretty much reinforces my point. He was able to create fear of Communists because they were a marginalized fringe group. Today it's not surprising (nor difficult) to find proud communists on a college campus.
I think the anti war elements of the time would disagree with you.
halonachos wrote:Yeah, one of their demands is to forgive student loans. Which is completely awesome because I chose a marketable major just so I could get a job and support those who chose some sort of fine arts or humanities major.
You want to give public education teachers pay that's competitive to private school teachers. Excellent, we'll take away all their subsidies and benefits and pay them like their private counterparts.
You want to make sure that the government supplies healthcare, social security to the elderly, and supplies welfare. Okay that's understandable, but you don't want everyone to pay for this, just the rich.
You want the government to supply construction jobs to repair the country's infrastructure. Respectable, but its not giving out wealth its only moving it around and right now we need something to generate it.
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.
You want the government to force cable news networks to give free air time to political candidates if they receive enough signatures on a petition. Okay but the government doesn't have the right to influence media like that. You're fighting for a state controlled media while fighting against the state controlling your own voice. Make up your minds.
This movement boils down to "We want more money and hate those who have it.". It also seems that they want to make everyone somewhat equal in income, but instead of making the poor richer they want to make the rich poorer which is kind of like Zimbabwe compared to Liechtenstein or Switzerland.
You rally behind a veteran because he received brain trauma at a rally for disobeying law enforcement. Later turns out the guy was dishonorably discharged supposedly for smoking crack, what a rallying figure that I can get behind.
I wasn't able to find anything substantial on this claim, can you post something to back it up?
An old website of his helps. Scott Olsen was the founder of "ihatethemarinecorps.com
website.informer.com wrote:I hate the Marine Corps. Do you? Keywords: screw the maqrine corps, i hate the marine corps, how to get out of the marines early, veerp anyone, fart mesuring unit, actual honesty mediafire marines, what is the njp punishment for insubordination Created: 2009-01-28 Expires: 2012-01-28 Owner: Scott Olsen 16524 Hwy 67
This is a forum that he posted on under his moniker; ihatethemarinecorps and this is what he said. THis was posted on June 17, 2010
Data dink, data dude, data shut the feth UP! That's about all I can think of that hasn't been listed already. A friend of mine got called a killer once by a gunny (while we were at a pog unit) and he ended up saying something to the effect of "you're right i am a killer. it's my fault lcpl *soandso* got killed by that IED - thanks for reminding me" It's always fun to turn the tables. I often ignored "moto nicknames" and would assume in my head that whoever said it was probably talking about someone else - (i'm not a hard charger, must have me confused for someone else)
I was talking to my 1stsgt regarding a pending adsep since i had been accused of using cocaine. Anyway, when we were done talking, he used as a parting greeting "stay marine". He clearly didn't think that one through. It was no secret that I couldn't wait to get out and on top of that, the MC was trying to kick me out. I was going to bust his balls over it, but I went and took a nap instead.
The worst racism and infringements of liberty in the 20th century (both here and abroad) came from progrsesives. I'm sure you'll argue that Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger would be Republicans today too.
Melissia wrote:2007, if I remember correctly. But why restrict it to merely the US?
Because that's the focus of this conversation. I'm sure you can provide links to this mob violence. Or at least some other identifying information.
Melissia wrote:Conservative/right wing/religious groups have long participated in violence against homosexuals across the globe.
You're associating "conservative" with "anti-gay." Once you do that it's not difficult to find evidence of violence against gays by "conservatives."
Melissia wrote:In 2008 in Moldova, homosexuals were told by an angry crowd that if they wanted to leave their bus alive they had to desztroy anything representing gay pride (they were heading to a gay pride parade).
We're talking about the Moldova in Eastern Europe, right? The one run by the Communist Party?
Melissia wrote:Course, this all depends on how you want to define right wing. But given your apparent wide sweeping definition of "left", I figure you wouldn't have much of a problem with a wide sweeping definition of "right".
I wouldn't if it were consistent and honest. I define "left" broadly as those who support government control and right as those who oppose government control. You appear to define "right" as "bad people who disagree with me."
Melissia wrote:Acting like the right wing somehow encourages it less is disingenuous at best.
Or, in the alternative, totally correct.
ShumaGorath wrote:I think the anti war elements of the time would disagree with you.
You're right, they would, nobody likes to be thought of as marginalized. But that doesn't make them widespread during the '40s and '50s, when McCarthyism was all the rage.
It wasn't until the '60s with opposition to the Vietnam war that communism became more acceptable.
Thats it? A forum post that could of been him implying he could of done something and a facebook page where he sympathizes with irsraels neighbors?
I'll wait for this to turn into a media gak storm before I really start believing it. If it's real it'll get pretty huge (well, it'll get huge either way but then people will actually look into it).
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You're right, they would, nobody likes to be thought of as marginalized. But that doesn't make them widespread during the '40s and '50s, when McCarthyism was all the rage.
It wasn't until the '60s with opposition to the Vietnam war that communism became more acceptable.
Here you go equating communism with the framing of leftists again. There's a logical fallacy in there, but I think you know it and are trolling at this point so whatever.
If we deploy to handle the protestors...I want to volunteer to man the water cannon. I clean up wall street from the pavement up. If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....probaly one that looks like they haven't miss any meals from McD's.
Melissia wrote:Right, because there's never been any right-winged mob violence. I'm sure that the historical civil rights movement would agree with that, or the modern gay rights movement, and so on...
Mob violence happens because of human nature, and not political belief.
The guys running around beingh oppressive were Democrats. Sorry. Ask Strom Thurman.
Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....
My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.
Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?
ShumaGorath wrote:Thats it? A forum post that could of been him implying he could of done something and a facebook page where he sympathizes with irsraels neighbors?
I'll wait for this to turn into a media gak storm before I really start believing it. If it's real it'll get pretty huge (well, it'll get huge either way but then people will actually look into it).
Quantico isn't saying anything, they were asked and denied talking to them about it. You know why, because its against their proper procedures and they happen to be good marines.
The guy was a potential anti-semite and ran a website called ihatethemarinecorps.com. If that doesn't scream dishonorable discharge I don't know what it.
Another good thing about this crowd is that they're supposedly sponsored by what's left of ACORN. Except instead of being called ACORN they're called the NYCC.
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Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....
My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.
Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?
IG, I regularly play against Orks so I can respect the use of blast weapons against a mob.
Jihadin wrote:If we deploy to handle the protestors...I want to volunteer to man the water cannon. I clean up wall street from the pavement up. If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....probaly one that looks like they haven't miss any meals from McD's.
And this is what is leading the soldiers in syria to shoot people with tanks.
Mostly today. The idea of the left wing as anything more than a marginalized group of fascists and communists is pretty recent.
The term "Left Wing" originates in the French Revolution. The embodiment of bloody handed left wing mobs were the Sans Culottes and specifically Marat. You'll find marxist scholars are often the most volumnous on the revolution. Don't take it as an attack. It's a historical fact. The fact that Revolution imagery was used makes the link that much stronger.
Necroshea wrote:Dumping apps for a notorious job on protestors? Meh, not funny.
Dumpers getting chased by said angry mob with an impromptu guillotine after the incident? Now THAT'S funny.
Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....
My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.
Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?
Your strategic editing of his post is admirable, since he basically said he'd rather not encourage his own violent urges.
I think a quick look at a posters gallery is generally the answer to your question.
Jihadin wrote:If handed the tear gas launcher well...that might be bad...I might "trip" and shoot one off into someone....making sure he/she not in a wheelchair first.....
My, aren't you just an adorable shining example of all that is great and just.
Out of curiosity, do any of you actually play Warhammer?
Your strategic editing of his post is admirable, since he basically said he'd rather not encourage his own violent urges.
I took it to be disingenuous. Certainly in poor taste.
So you think that it's acceptable that people with violent urges that they apparently might not be able to suppress should be allowed to point potentially lethal weapons at their own people?
In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.
What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.
The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.
But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.
I've an evil streak. It gets a bit nerve wracking firing a weapon at guys in man robes. It's like the zamboni everyone wants to drive in the rink. I just want the water cannon so I can say I was in one big water fight
Dakkadan wrote:In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.
What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.
The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.
But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.
Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.
At least over here they don't know what they are protesting about, some say that they want capitalism to be abolished, others say that they want jobs in their field even though they graduated in Marketing Engineering or some other dead end course. From what I read its much the same the world over.
Those idiots aren't the 99% either, I for one don't identify myself with their sorry finger waving hippie unwashed asses (seriously? what is it with all the hand waving nonsense? they just reminde me of mimes wich is just another reason to mock them), and I doubt that anyone that actually wen't to college to take a job significant education will either!
Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.
Right this is a strawman. You are not in the one percent you "as a banker" are not what they are talking about. However when you spend say a million dollars to help get a Congressman elected. Then you go and have a special meeting with that congressman after he is elected. In which you both decide bankers with circumstances exactly like yours shouldn't have to pay taxes then you'd be just scratching the surface.
Dakkadan wrote:In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.
What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.
The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.
But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.
Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.
Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.
Right this is a strawman. You are not in the one percent you "as a banker" are not what they are talking about. However when you spend say a million dollars to help get a Congressman elected. Then you go and have a special meeting with that congressman after he is elected. In which you both decide bankers with circumstances exactly like yours shouldn't have to pay taxes then you'd be just scratching the surface.
In short you are the 99 percent.
And they don't represent me. They are worth less than the crap out of my ass. I spit on them, lazy drug addicted losers.
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Frazzled wrote:
Dakkadan wrote:In retaliation I plan to hang out at my local blockbuster and club anyone who rents Boilerroom over the head.
What surprises me is the snide attitude some of you have. The protesters aren't for socialism or communism or any other ism. They're not against you personally no matter what job you have and no matter how bad you want to justify being mean to them so you can sigh contentedly before you go to sleep knowing you're right and they're wrong.
The problem folks is influence. Corporations run the government not the people. Most of the politicians and certainly any that are in positions of power were bought a long time ago by big business. MONEY being spent by business ( who don't pay taxes due to legal loop holes) to influence the politicians in this country is what most of them are talking about. Never in our hiatory have the truly rich shouldered so little resposiblity. Literally the bell curve is upside down here.
But go right ahead enjoying your coffee and giving people who care the finger as you drive by on your way to work. And ill hope your job isn't the next one outsourced so your CEO can get one more year of record bonuses.
Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.
At least over here they don't know what they are protesting about, some say that they want capitalism to be abolished, others say that they want jobs in their field even thou
gh they graduated in Marketing Engineering or some other dead end course. From what I read its much the same the world over.
Those idiots aren't the 99% either, I for one don't identify myself with their sorry finger waving hippie unwashed asses (seriously? what is it with all the hand waving nonsense? they just reminde me of mimes wich is just another reason to mock them), and I doubt that anyone that actually wen't to college to take a job significant education will either!
Yes you're right all of them are stupid lazy dirty people who just want a free ride. None of them have any points worth mentioning. There's nothing wrong at all in fact the system is working fine as it is! Besides that they all just picked the wrong major in college. Stupid selfish college graduates always wanting jobs in their field to pay off crippling student debt. I hope someone just makes them all take a bath that'll fix the problem. I mean seriously they do things that I find silly so therefore clearly their ideas have zero merit and absolutely none of them could possibly be normal.
SoCal Street Cart Vendors Hurting After ‘Occupy’ Group Splatters Blood, Urine
November 7, 2011 2:14 PM Reporting Tom Reopelle
Fall FashionSAN DIEGO (CBS) — A pair of Southland street cart vendors who were forced to shut down their businesses after “Occupy” protesters vandalized their carts are hoping to get some help from local residents.
KNX 1070′s Tom Reopelle reports a fundraiser in the Gas Lamp district in San Diego on Monday night is aimed at helping two vendors get back on their feet.
The coffee and hot dog carts were located in Civic Center Plaza, the same location as the Occupy San Diego protesters.
That group first settled in to the plaza Oct. 7 and set up a tent city which has since twice been taken down by police.
Coffee cart owner Linda Jenson and hot dog cart operators Letty and Pete Soto said they initially provided free food and drink to demonstrators, but when they stopped, the protesters became violent.
And according to one city councilman, bodily fluids were used in the attacks.
“Both carts have had items stolen, have had their covers vandalized with markings and graffiti, as well as one of the carts had urine and blood splattered on it,” said Councilman Carl DeMaio.
The damages will likely require at least a complete cleaning if not a replacement of the cart covers, DeMaio said.
In addition to the attacks, the vendors also said they recently received death threats.
Proceeds from the fundraiser will go directly to help the two business owners.
After a relatively peaceful start, the “Occupy” movement has sparked violent clashes with police in Oakland and recently saw protesters push an elderly woman down a flight of stairs in D.C.
Well, I could get behind that. It would be fun to get a couple of those together and just cut loose from a good couple hundred feet apart.
Willing participants only though.
LOL see. Lets face it though. Majority of the older people will move back and the young kids will move forward just to get hit with the biggest super soaker in their life. It does have an appeal cause if I was on the otherside I have waterballoons just so I can say I was the underdog...till I'm nailed for 15ft across pavement. Then I hold up a sign that say "You are the Da Winner"
And they don't represent me. They are worth less than the crap out of my ass. I spit on them, lazy drug addicted losers.
Because a man with 28 thousand posts on this forum is clearly very involved in his job on a day to day basis.
thats what minion are for.
Soo.... You sit at a desk and collect a paycheck? What exactly do you do on a day to day basis that gives you the right to call people lazy? Do you get paid by the post? Do you get bonus' for weiner dog pictures? Is tiger a minion? Are you paying him? He's pretty rich according to his shoes, I don't know why he would do that.
And they don't represent me. They are worth less than the crap out of my ass. I spit on them, lazy drug addicted losers.
Because a man with 28 thousand posts on this forum is clearly very involved in his job on a day to day basis.
thats what minion are for.
Soo.... You sit at a desk and collect a paycheck? What exactly do you do on a day to day basis that gives you the right to call people lazy? Do you get paid by the post? Do you get bonus' for weiner dog pictures? Is tiger a minion? Are you paying him? He's pretty rich according to his shoes, I don't know why he would do that.
Of course i get a bonus for wiener dog pics. For every WP I get two random home foreclosures.
And they don't represent me. They are worth less than the crap out of my ass. I spit on them, lazy drug addicted losers.
Because a man with 28 thousand posts on this forum is clearly very involved in his job on a day to day basis.
thats what minion are for.
Soo.... You sit at a desk and collect a paycheck? What exactly do you do on a day to day basis that gives you the right to call people lazy? Do you get paid by the post? Do you get bonus' for weiner dog pictures? Is tiger a minion? Are you paying him? He's pretty rich according to his shoes, I don't know why he would do that.
Of course i get a bonus for wiener dog pics. For every WP I get two random home foreclosures.
Interestingly, you seem to post a lot here too...
About as third as much as you do my friend! Today is a slow workday. (also i'm not calling people lazy)
Thats a lie. As a banker they really are against me personally. them right back.
Right this is a strawman. You are not in the one percent you "as a banker" are not what they are talking about. However when you spend say a million dollars to help get a Congressman elected. Then you go and have a special meeting with that congressman after he is elected. In which you both decide bankers with circumstances exactly like yours shouldn't have to pay taxes then you'd be just scratching the surface.
In short you are the 99 percent.
And they don't represent me. They are worth less than the crap out of my ass. I spit on them, lazy drug addicted losers
Wow thank god you posted that. I mean I was just gonna try and be reasonable and try and listen to some of the protestor's more cognizant points but you convinced me. I mean bam right out of the gate you let me know they're worth less than the crap out of your ass. Now granted I've never seen the crap out of your ass but judging by this post you've made it must be pretty bad. Then you tell me that you spit on them. Which I think most will agree is a bold move. Both for my 3 month old (who spits on me all the time... well to be fair she spits on her mother too she must be lazy as well) and bankers everywhere. Then you wait till the very end for your coupe de grace. I mean clearly they're all addicted to drugs no "banker" could afford cocaine. What bank do you work for? I must transfer my funds by wire poste haste!
AustonT wrote:The term "Left Wing" originates in the French Revolution. The embodiment of bloody handed left wing mobs were the Sans Culottes and specifically Marat. You'll find marxist scholars are often the most volumnous on the revolution. Don't take it as an attack. It's a historical fact. The fact that Revolution imagery was used makes the link that much stronger.
Yes, I agree.
I suppose I should have been clearer. The American Left has existed for most of the history of the country as a part of mainstream political thought. It includes the anti-Federalists, Progressives (of the Wilson variety), and modern-day Democrats. However, until fairly recently, the mainstream political left did not include Marxism as part of its philosophy. It's after the '60s that Marxism (and the violence inherent therein) became part of our political reality. Before that it was largely a fringe group.
Where did the blood come from? The urine I can understand, but who just carries around blood?
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My friend just emailed me saying the OP was BS. He said his friend works there and none of the windows open on any floor, and the rooftop access is highly restricted and alarmed.
biccat wrote:The worst racism and infringements of liberty in the 20th century (both here and abroad) came from progrsesives.
Bullgak.
biccat wrote:Because that's the focus of this conversation.
I don't care.
biccat wrote:You're associating "conservative" with "anti-gay."
Because it is.
biccat wrote:We're talking about the Moldova in Eastern Europe, right?
Yes. A country which is conservative left wing, I admit, but still conservative-- it's not like the place has embraced civil liberties and other forms of liberalism.
biccat wrote:I wouldn't if it were consistent and honest.
So you deny your own definition, which is neither of these?
biccat wrote:Or, in the alternative, totally correct.
Live in denial all you want, but you're still so very wrong.
I know you want to hide behind "my side never does anything wrong", but in the end it's still just hiding.
There's no reason to presume that the survey in question is representative, given that it was conducted without randomization, and is therefore highly susceptible to experimenter bias.
The most hilarious thing, though, is that the guy selling his poll in that article tries to pass off his numbers as the results of a random sample.
Our findings probably represent the first systematic random sample of Occupy Wall Street opinion
Sorry, but you can't just walk through a crowd asking people to fill out a survey and call it random.
Personally I have to wonder, given the reports we had of criminals and druggies deciding to infest the various camps, if that was one of them, or perhaps a person intending to make the Occupy Whatever protests look bad?
Neither would surprise me given the amount of raw irrational hate that this forum alone can generate for the movement.
AustonT wrote:The term "Left Wing" originates in the French Revolution. The embodiment of bloody handed left wing mobs were the Sans Culottes and specifically Marat. You'll find marxist scholars are often the most volumnous on the revolution. Don't take it as an attack. It's a historical fact. The fact that Revolution imagery was used makes the link that much stronger.
Yes, I agree.
I suppose I should have been clearer. The American Left has existed for most of the history of the country as a part of mainstream political thought. It includes the anti-Federalists, Progressives (of the Wilson variety), and modern-day Democrats. However, until fairly recently, the mainstream political left did not include Marxism as part of its philosophy. It's after the '60s that Marxism (and the violence inherent therein) became part of our political reality. Before that it was largely a fringe group.
I really don't understand the connection between american marxists groups (a distinct minority in any time frame) and violence. Abroad certainly, but historically in america the've been pretty tame.
AustonT wrote:The term "Left Wing" originates in the French Revolution. The embodiment of bloody handed left wing mobs were the Sans Culottes and specifically Marat. You'll find marxist scholars are often the most volumnous on the revolution. Don't take it as an attack. It's a historical fact. The fact that Revolution imagery was used makes the link that much stronger.
Yes, I agree.
I suppose I should have been clearer. The American Left has existed for most of the history of the country as a part of mainstream political thought. It includes the anti-Federalists, Progressives (of the Wilson variety), and modern-day Democrats. However, until fairly recently, the mainstream political left did not include Marxism as part of its philosophy. It's after the '60s that Marxism (and the violence inherent therein) became part of our political reality. Before that it was largely a fringe group.
/agree.
I would like to point out that it's interesting to note that in Wilson's era both Democrats AND Republicans laid claim to the title Progressive.
Where did the blood come from? The urine I can understand, but who just carries around blood?
People with a point to make, two years ago at Arizona State University a Palestinian student protester spashed blood onto an Army ROTC cadet (of North African Muslim decent, oh delicious irony) and told him the blood of Palestine was on him.
biccat wrote:
The worst racism and infringements of liberty in the 20th century (both here and abroad) came from progrsesives. I'm sure you'll argue that Woodrow Wilson and Margaret Sanger would be Republicans today too.
Wilson might well be one, though its always difficult to say regarding that type of speculation. I'd also dispute the notion that progressives have been responsible for the worst racism and infringements of liberty during the 20th century, though I suspect that you wouldn't accept Southern Democrats of the early 20th century as conservatives.
biccat wrote:
We're talking about the Moldova in Eastern Europe, right? The one run by the Communist Party?
You should probably brush up on your world political history, Moldova hasn't been run by a communist government, in the Soviet sense, since 1994.
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I would like to point out that it's interesting to note that in Wilson's era both Democrats AND Republicans laid claim to the title Progressive.
In part because the parties weren't organized along strict ideological lines, but also because progressivism underwrote much of the political discourse of the time due to rapid American growth and technological innovation; ie. many people of different backgrounds felt that the nation needed to adapt politically.
I use my driving finger more often than I should, I suppose.
