So got the codex - read it and liked some things - disliked other things but surprised that now that GW seem to be able to make good female figures no Necron Lords - no Anaksunamun or Nefertiti to go with Imhotep - sorry I mean Imotekh

Any thoughts on why not?

It's possible that their society only allowed males into positions of power.

Yeah maybe but no mention of females anywhere in the codex - even Zahndrekh has no (real of imagined) Queen, concubines, daughters etc.... just seems a bit wierd unless they reproduced in a different way.....

That, or its also possable that you can't tell the difference. Crons could have been a Hermaphroditic species.

I mean, why would they differentiate the bodies to no specific purpose?



Go ahead and make a Female Necron Overlord or whatever. its not against any fluff.

Seriously?

They had heir souls implanted into mass produced metal bodies. Female or male, the C'tan didn't care. They're more blank than male.

Also, why does everyone need to sculpt boobs on to their army? Are wargamers really that desperate for boobs?

How can you tell if they're male or not?

Why do you assume that the Necrontyr even had two different sexes?

@ Ostrakon - cos all the Lords have entries that say He did this or He thought etc etc and its as usal told from a neutral point of view....

@ Chowderhead - err don't recall saying can I have a huge breasted figure please......... I just thought that as the range is very Tomb Kings there would have been a Queen Khalida look alike.......... Would it have been the end of the world if there had been?

the essential character, personaility and nature of the Necron Overlord does remain basically the same - even if they are apparently going insane .....

Mr Morden wrote:@ Ostrakon - cos all the Lords have entries that say He did this or He thought etc etc and its as usal told from a neutral point of view....

In proper English, the gender neutral is always Masculine.

Void__Dragon wrote:It's possible that their society only allowed males into positions of power.

There is also a possibility that they don't have any females in their entire race.
I am still eager to see female Necron.

Chowderhead wrote:Seriously?

They had heir souls implanted into mass produced metal bodies. Female or male, the C'tan didn't care. They're more blank than male.

Also, why does everyone need to sculpt boobs on to their army? Are wargamers really that desperate for boobs?

Boobs are boobs...

From an artistic standpoint, I find the female form to be more aesthetically pleasing... and, also, it's fun to take such aesthetic perfection and change it in ways that the audience may find interesting, or disturbing.

Psienesis wrote:From an artistic standpoint, I find the female form to be more aesthetically pleasing... and, also, it's fun to take such aesthetic perfection and change it in ways that the audience may find interesting, or disturbing.

Just like Howling Banshees and Sisters of Battle.
Nice models....

I think at this stage the closest you'd come to a female necrons is likely distinguished by attire, perhaps Egyptian esque female head dress or more distinguished robes.

At lease we have this:

Can't see the link?

You can certainly make your own female necron. Necrons seem to have a little bit of a god complex so I say base her off of old goddess imagery. Maybe have her inhabit three different bodies One human, one necron and one tank. Cats also work. Maybe do a seer type deal.

As they expand necrons, your going to see them put in female lords. No reason for them not to do it.

Just have your Necron Lord act in an unreasonable and illogical way, and you're about there. An inability to find their HQ on the campaign map would also be a good indication.

Chowderhead wrote:Seriously?

They had heir souls implanted into mass produced metal bodies. Female or male, the C'tan didn't care. They're more blank than male.

Also, why does everyone need to sculpt boobs on to their army? Are wargamers really that desperate for boobs?

What's more, is that the OP is curious about a lack of robot boobs.

When you are sculpting a pair of jugs on a Necron Lord, you need to set down your green stuff and get your ass out of the house for a few hours.


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Flashman wrote:Just have your Necron Lord act in an unreasonable and illogical way, and you're about there. An inability to find their HQ on the campaign map would also be a good indication.

Laughed hard when I read this

The necrons are automatons. Whether they were male or female as Necrontyr they are now genderless robots.

I like to think that somewhere out there, in this vast galaxy, there is a Necron Overlord who was so insecure in life as a Necrontyr, that he made sure his new automaton body had the biggest set of steel balls so all would know of his virility in life, and in undeath.

^lol

They are genderless robots.

what would be the point in them defining gender when they can't enjoy the benefits of an opposite gender anyway?


Nom XD

Well, I'm not sure if we really need to debate on the necessity of sculpting boobs on our necron models but it does bring up an interesting question...

Did the necrontyrs have females?
It could be possible that they were a hermaphrodite species, but after all, the codex describes the necrontyr society as dynasties with royal courts and hereditary succession, etc. So I think there could have been necron females.

Don't think it would have been massively difficult to do something like this for an Overlord....?

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1190067a

Why make female Necrons when there aren't even male ones? It's less wasteful to not use your metal to craft boobs when it could be used building legs or guns.

Dude... you realize that they're metal skeletons right? There's nothing wrong with you saying your Necron lord was a female in your fluff.

Theres no boobs on skeletons.

Las wrote:Theres no boobs on skeletons.

What about Keira Knightley?

Las wrote:Dude... you realize that they're metal skeletons right? There's nothing wrong with you saying your Necron lord was a female in your fluff.

Theres no boobs on skeletons.

Sigh, Did I say I wanted boobs on the model - no........... although if it was wanted armour could more closely replicate the original form of the wearer. The Overlords depicted and described certainly seem to spend enough time, effort and rescources into making their present bodies?

Could GW have made a undead female figure - well actually apparently yes - hence the link to Queen Khalida

or even this one:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1560082

I just think it was an opportunity missed..........

Although if the Necrons only had one sex that also would been fine and quite interesting in its own way to make them less humans in a metal body...........

Stormfather wrote:

Las wrote:Theres no boobs on skeletons.

What about Keira Knightley?

Little harsh perhaps ? I think she is atttractive.........

Laodamia wrote:Well, I'm not sure if we really need to debate on the necessity of sculpting boobs on our necron models but it does bring up an interesting question...

Did the necrontyrs have females?
It could be possible that they were a hermaphrodite species, but after all, the codex describes the necrontyr society as dynasties with royal courts and hereditary succession, etc. So I think there could have been necron females.

There could still be a hereditary succession in a Hermaphroditic species. The first born child of an Overlord would be the next one and so on. it is rather hard to conceptualize this coming from the position of there being genders.

There is no gender or sexuality defined between these metal toasters.

But if you want fembots, look for old AT-43 Therians or this one by Armorcast:

Hmm... Necrons aside, a fem-bot like that, with a little bit of modification, would work really, really well for the cyborg assassin in our DH group.

Necrons don't need a female model. That's just silly.

Maybe a few female gaurdsmen would be nice. A new female commisar...

Robots with boobs? Dumb.

They are robots. Robots don't have genders.

Is there even a picture of a Necrontyr? Were they even humanoid?

I don't know of any Necrontyr images, but it would seem to me that the C'Tan would not turn them into humanoid skeletons if they were not already humanoid. They'd be... something else entirely, I think, if they weren't. Robotic crabs or centaurs or something, whatever could be based around their original physiognomy.

Mr Morden wrote:

Las wrote:Dude... you realize that they're metal skeletons right? There's nothing wrong with you saying your Necron lord was a female in your fluff.

Theres no boobs on skeletons.

Sigh, Did I say I wanted boobs on the model - no........... although if it was wanted armour could more closely replicate the original form of the wearer. The Overlords depicted and described certainly seem to spend enough time, effort and rescources into making their present bodies?

Could GW have made a undead female figure - well actually apparently yes - hence the link to Queen Khalida

or even this one:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1560082

I just think it was an opportunity missed..........

Although if the Necrons only had one sex that also would been fine and quite interesting in its own way to make them less humans in a metal body...........

Stormfather wrote:

Las wrote:Theres no boobs on skeletons.

What about Keira Knightley?

Little harsh perhaps ? I think she is atttractive.........

Meh, first give me my female Commissars and guard, then we'll talk.

Who's to say female Necrontyr existed or had boobs anyway?

Flashman wrote:Just have your Necron Lord act in an unreasonable and illogical way, and you're about there. An inability to find their HQ on the campaign map would also be a good indication.

Is she able to find the mess tent?

Mr Morden wrote:Sigh, Did I say I wanted boobs on the model - no........... although if it was wanted armour could more closely replicate the original form of the wearer. The Overlords depicted and described certainly seem to spend enough time, effort and rescources into making their present bodies?

Could GW have made a undead female figure - well actually apparently yes - hence the link to Queen Khalida

or even this one:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1560082

I just think it was an opportunity missed..........

Although if the Necrons only had one sex that also would been fine and quite interesting in its own way to make them less humans in a metal body...........

I think your problem is that you're drawing a direct link between Necrons and Tomb Kings, and that whatever Tomb Kings has, Necrons MUST have a Tomb Kings equivalent, including a female HQ, otherwise it would invalidate their Tomb Kings in Space feel.

Well, no matter how much Necrons are Tomb Kings in Space, they dont actually have to be. Because they're not.

I don't recall having seen female Daleks either

Grey Templar wrote:In proper English, the gender neutral is always Masculine.

Yeah, English is a gender-biased language that way...

Frankly, if I did have a necron army, I'd make a Necron Lady as opposed to lord, but not make any different on the model. Just a lore thing.

Female 'Crons, eh?

why must each topic like this end up about boobs :3

I agree, it would have been cool to see a necron queen in the fluff but oh well :/ also I cant see why a necron queen wouldnt reshape her bodey to a form more pleasing to herself seeing as necrons have feelings now :/

?

Nice model, and nice drawing.

Again slightly off-topic, if anyone knows any good figs sites off the beaten path of these here intertubes that have cyborg/robotic females, I'm looking for one for my DH game. The Armorcast fig listed previously is pretty good, but impossible to find on AC's website at least. Reaper and Hasslefree don't really have what I'm looking for (not for this specific character, anyway), and GW itself... well... it's GW and I am looking for human female models.

i think we can assume that the necrons didn't have different genders.

And with them being alien and all, i don't see a problem with that.

Platuan4th wrote:Female 'Crons, eh?

Yep!




Okay, more seriously:

Chibi Cron is Chibi.

Las wrote:
Meh, first give me my female Commissars and guard, then we'll talk.

there you go XD

Nom XD

How about

FEMALE C'TAN SHARDS

kenshin620 wrote:How about

FEMALE C'TAN SHARDS

Bewbs + warhammer + thread = No thread

Nom XD

nomsheep wrote:Bewbs + warhammer + thread = No thread

Well, there goes my fluff on the God-Empress.

Ixion wrote:

nomsheep wrote:Bewbs + warhammer + thread = No thread

Well, there goes my fluff on the God-Empress.

They always ened in some-one being called a perv and mods throwing their weight around *ducks modly wrath*

so long as boobs aren't the main focus, that would be amusing lol.

Nom XD

Was wondering when the Lolcrons were coming into this thread.

I guess since they're robot skeletons, you could give one a larger pelvis... but I'm not a 'cron expert.

Based on Ward's treatment of the Sisters, it may not be a far stretch to assume he's a misogynist. Khornate Knights anyone?

Eh, I think I would need more than a single example of Sisters being killed in an extremely bloody, grimdark setting where everyone is likely to die horribly to call someone a misogynist.

junk wrote:Based on Ward's treatment of the Sisters, it may not be a far stretch to assume he's a misogynist. Khornate Knights anyone?

Ward is hardly the first person at GW to use the Sisters as a punching bag. its a general theme throughout all the fluff, even the Sister fluff has them getting wiped out.

Smurfs are the Poster Boys, Sisters are the punching bag. Its a vicious system, but them's the breaks.

Seriously, I'm confused. What part of a stylized 28mm skeleton defines gender? There is nothing on the Necron models to imply they are male or female, or Pat.

If you want it, make it.

Ronin wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:Sigh, Did I say I wanted boobs on the model - no........... although if it was wanted armour could more closely replicate the original form of the wearer. The Overlords depicted and described certainly seem to spend enough time, effort and rescources into making their present bodies? Could GW have made a undead female figure - well actually apparently yes - hence the link to Queen Khalida

or even this one:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1560082

I just think it was an opportunity missed..........
Although if the Necrons only had one sex that also would been fine and quite interesting in its own way to make them less humans in a metal body...........

I think your problem is that you're drawing a direct link between Necrons and Tomb Kings, and that whatever Tomb Kings has, Necrons MUST have a Tomb Kings equivalent, including a female HQ, otherwise it would invalidate their Tomb Kings in Space feel. Well, no matter how much Necrons are Tomb Kings in Space, they dont actually have to be. Because they're not.

Well I feel GW did a damn good job of making them Tomb Kings in Spaaaaaceeee which is not a major problem and kind of builds on previous work if loosing some of the uniqueness of their situation. Not having a "female" HQ does not invalidate them - just makes them IMO a bit less interesting - One of the the special characters made for the present Codex could easily have been made female without causing any issues and making a cooler Overlord model than the present ones.

Personally its not about need just what is cool - which to me is what 40K is all about

DPBellathrom wrote:why must each topic like this end up about boobs :3

I agree, it would have been cool to see a necron queen in the fluff but oh well :/ also I cant see why a necron queen wouldnt reshape her bodey to a form more pleasing to herself seeing as necrons have feelings now :/

That was my thought - however apparently I was just demanding skeletons with boobs.........

Because there's a lot of boys on this forum and very few men.

And not enough boyz.

Mr Morden wrote:no Anaksunamun or Nefertiti to go with Imhotep

LOL

In response... do you see anything gender specific on any of the warriors?

They are robots... none of them care for gender equality... they are soulless

Blobpie wrote:i think we can assume that the necrons didn't have different genders.

And with them being alien and all, i don't see a problem with that.

Not sure why that would be assumed - is there anything in the Codex that implies this?

Now if it had been written with this in mind - that would ini tself IMO have been quite interesting...........although as its a Codex ratehr than a source book, apart from them having Royal dynasties there is virtually nothing about their pre necron state - seems they liked their bling?

re the Models - are the Overlord scultps look fairly male to me but that might just be me?

They look male to us anyway. Of course that would mean nothing to an alien species with a completely different body structure, assuming the Necrons actually resemble their original forms in any way.

so thats how they got into the metal bodies, AHhh I don't read much of the fluff

I think this has to be a new record in the race between Codex release date and the 'Why No Females' thread...

More to the point, why do we even need boobcrons? why can't we be happy with our army of evil robots with giant floating doomsday cannons?

I refer you to my answer given some posts before............

Grey Templar wrote:They look male to us anyway.

I think this says more about "us" than the models in question. They are gender neutral unless vaguely Egyptian themed digital/metal armour fashion is male.

zeshin wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They look male to us anyway.

I think this says more about "us" than the models in question. They are gender neutral unless vaguely Egyptian themed digital/metal armour fashion is male.

except Egyption queens often dressed exactly like men, down to the fake beards.

Grey Templar wrote:

zeshin wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They look male to us anyway.

I think this says more about "us" than the models in question. They are gender neutral unless vaguely Egyptian themed digital/metal armour fashion is male.

except Egyption queens often dressed exactly like men, down to the fake beards.

Either you're making my argument for me or I took "they" to mean the Necrons when you really meant Egyptians.

zeshin wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

zeshin wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:They look male to us anyway.

I think this says more about "us" than the models in question. They are gender neutral unless vaguely Egyptian themed digital/metal armour fashion is male.

except Egyption queens often dressed exactly like men, down to the fake beards.

Either you're making my argument for me or I took "they" to mean the Necrons when you really meant Egyptians.

I meant Necrons, the egyption remark was to explain how a Necron lord COULD have been female, but because of the egyption theme would be identical to the males.

There is no reason for there not to be female lords. Gender isn't just about body shape or body parts. Attitudes, ideas, preferences can all have gender connotations. And truthfully are pretty much universal (just looking at planet earth here and all of its animal inhabitants).

In the old fluff, yeah, I'd agree that there was no gender. But now, different lords have different ambitions, different agendas. A lord who is particularly nurturing or protective to those under it could easily be seen as being traditionally female. Yeah there are exceptions but just looking over the grand picture here.

However, I do not think a female cron would have a body shape in that of a traditional human female. Mostly because they aren't mammals. Female insects, fish, birds, reptiles, etc do not have boobies. Infact boobies are rather the minority. So in that regard, I think coloration would be a perfectly good representation of female. Or like others have stated earlier, more ornate coverings of their metal frames. But I think stripped off all their trappings you couldn't tell one female necron body from a male one.

yup all that, assuming they wern't hermaphroditic which is very possable.

its open ended with no real answer currently.

Well, it's pretty easy to see why the necrons appear male.

Besides the obvious, they have:
-broad shoulders (their scapula exaggerate this by giving them square "shoulders"/shoulder profiles
- angular skulls (esp. the square jaw) and notable brows (male features, which is also why, at a glance, most skeletons look more male w/o flesh to round out the structure)
-slight hunches (associated with (brute) strength and masculinity, you're not going to find many idealized females that fit that profile)
-square details (joins, feet, etc- similar to shoulders/heads)


Frankly, I bet that a good sculptor could pull off a more feminine necron look through various thinner and less angular features, without resorting to less subtle methods.

We have no idea what living Necrontyr looked like, so we can't say that their women (if they had them) were smaller than their males. Perhaps the females of the species were the physically powerful gender, and may have been eradicated by the C'Tan as they posed a threat, or were uncontrollable or, who knows?

Grey Templar wrote:except Egyption queens often dressed exactly like men, down to the fake beards.

But mostly they wear cloths that I can't reproduce here because of family friendlyness.

BTW people should read why Necrontyr chose to get rid of their natural body. Hint: It is not their love for physical pleasures.

Yeah, their worlds were fethed and they were dying of radiation poisoning and disease and all sorts of other nastiness. That doesn't really explain why they would choose to look like skeletons and not, you know, hyper-idealized, immortal versions of the best their race ever offered, other than the handwavium of "they were grim and dark, as a people".

How what we know/knew of the mortal Necrontyr is now valid as a backstory with their rebellion and all is questionable, as it seems that there are now lots more Necrons than we originally thought.

I didn't brought the Daleks to attention before gratuitously. In fact, I think the new 'crons have a strong 'Doctor Who villiain' feel to them.

My point is, that, while we have no idea if the Necrontyr had something akin to 'our' sexes (we're rather assuming them to be male, while in science-fictional depictions of aliens that's not always a given. Hint: Ghazghkull Thraka, for all his bulk and bravado, is not a 'male'), after biotransference the question becomes irrelevant.

Maybe the Stormlord was a male in his life of flesh - he's not one anymore, rather some sort of walking tank with a tactical computer for a brain. Maybe there are Necron 'ladies' around, provided Necrontyr society allowed females into positions of power AND they had a biological divide between 'males' and 'females' just like animals on Earth (and on the Eldar and Tau homeworlds, in the fictional 40k universe) do AND these 'males' and 'females' performed similar gender roles as those we know, but if they exist they are probably not too different from their male counterparts - walking tanks with a computer for a brain.

It's ok if you want to make a Necron Lady character for your army, nothing in the fluff forbids it.

Leigen_Zero wrote:More to the point, why do we even need boobcrons?

I know hyperbole and other forms of stupid exaggeration are a dakka tradition, but noone's asking for "boobcrons".

If the canon stated necrons were without gender (like Orks), or were androgynous in that humans cannot tell the difference (like Eldar), or were hermaphroditic, it'd be fine really. But it doesn't... it just indicates they're male and ignores the issue entirely. Therefor the issue comes up to discussion.

Saying "but they could be [x]" is irrelevant. The canon doesn't say that, it's merely speculation.

The codex doesn't really even say they're male, they are just decidedly not female...In anyway familiar to us.

Which is, in effect, male. The fact that they don't cover the situation, combined with GW's inability to depict female characters in races that DO have a female gender, just makes people assume GW is being lazy and, as usual, doesn't even bother with even a token female character in its lines.

So no baby toasters?

How do you know that the Necrons don't ALL have boobs already, but they're really flat?

The way I see it with the new fluff, is that very likely the Necrontyr were of mixed gender, and it's careful (ish) in my opinion not to tell you much about the "time before" IF you assume they are using the somewhat typical male assumption for writing (he, his etc).

For me, it is just as likely that any of the named characters were male or female, we have no idea what the connotation is behind the names, it's not like they are called Melissia ( ), Sarah or Bob.

The key point for me, is that they are soul less, and I would imagine that a great amount of your "maleness" or "femaleness" would have suffered or been extinguished by the process of fueling the C'Tan.

Also, in my opinion, the reason why the skeletons are made that way are that the Necrontyr probably had little choice over the aesthetics, the C'Tan probably chose the image and don't really understand humanity (or Necrontyrity lol) so didn't care about gender.

So for me, I may choose to be more or less painting them differently (the Lords only of course) depending on what I think at the time. Maybe more embellishment on certain cloaks etc.

Jayden63 wrote:There is no reason for there not to be female lords. Gender isn't just about body shape or body parts. Attitudes, ideas, preferences can all have gender connotations. And truthfully are pretty much universal (just looking at planet earth here and all of its animal inhabitants).

Peacock. Male has colourful plumage, attempts to attract the attention of the brown, boringly coloured female.
Lion. Females hunt, males spend most of their time at home, except when they have to fight another male.
Bees. Female is the master of the hive, males are workers.

The whole male/female behaviour expectation in humans is pretty unique even on our planet, and there's no reason to assume that the Necron lords are male at all, apart from the names Ward pillaged from Egypt.

And the fact that it says "he" instead of "she".

nomsheep wrote:They are genderless robots.

what would be the point in them defining gender when they can't enjoy the benefits of an opposite gender anyway?

They are not genderless unless the Necrontyr were genderless.

Personally, I think it's a great idea. Not a woman-shaped Necron, but a Necron that contains the consciousness of a female Necrontyr, just like other Necrons contain the consciousness of a (presumed) male Necrontyr.

Psienesis wrote:Eh, I think I would need more than a single example of Sisters being killed in an extremely bloody, grimdark setting where everyone is likely to die horribly to call someone a misogynist.

There's also Inquisitor Valeria, the woman scorned.

Durza wrote:Peacock. Male has colourful plumage, attempts to attract the attention of the brown, boringly coloured female.
Lion. Females hunt, males spend most of their time at home, except when they have to fight another male.
Bees. Female is the master of the hive, males are workers.

The whole male/female behaviour expectation in humans is pretty unique even on our planet, and there's no reason to assume that the Necron lords are male at all, apart from the names Ward pillaged from Egypt.

Well we don't have any (non ficitonal) other planets to compare the behaviour of male/females on them with so its a bit difficult Equally there is no reason to say that it won't be the same on other planets......

Thats one of the issues - the male Egyptian names nicked from history again help to give the male impression - calling one of them with Nefertiti or perhaps Nefer'teki and having a remnant female perosnality would IMO have enhanced the codex a little.............

On Bees: all the workers are actually female and can on occassion attempt to lay eggs etc - the male Drones are there to propogate the species.

AlexHolker wrote: Personally, I think it's a great idea. Not a woman-shaped Necron, but a Necron that contains the consciousness of a female Necrontyr, just like other Necrons contain the consciousness of a (presumed) male Necrontyr..

That was how I saw it

Agent_Tremolo wrote:I don't recall having seen female Daleks either

Tremolo wins the thread, folks. We can all go home now.

Manchu wrote:

Agent_Tremolo wrote:I don't recall having seen female Daleks either

Tremolo wins the thread, folks. We can all go home now.

It's one of the many flaws of the Doctor Who series, yes.

[/hides to escape the pitchforks and torches]

Melissia wrote:

Leigen_Zero wrote:More to the point, why do we even need boobcrons?

I know hyperbole and other forms of stupid exaggeration are a dakka tradition, but noone's asking for "boobcrons".

Yes but where all know where this is going to end up...

On a more serious note, as much as there is a possibility that the necrontyr had an equivalent to females, what is to say that the females of the species were actually transformed into necrons? which would explain the distinct masculinity.

It could be the case that only males (for some reasoning of male superiority over females, much like in some ancient civilisations where females were seen more as property than as equals) were transformed into 'crons and females were not deemed worthy of bio-transference? so whereas all the 'kings' went off to war in shiny metal bodies and were entombed in stasis, the 'queens', being considered of lesser important, were just left to die..


Note: I am in no way trying to spark a male/female superiority flamewar with the above statement, those so inclined please do not use this post as an opportunity to do so...

Melissia wrote:
If the canon stated necrons were without gender (like Orks), or were androgynous in that humans cannot tell the difference (like Eldar), or were hermaphroditic, it'd be fine really. But it doesn't... it just indicates they're male and ignores the issue entirely. Therefor the issue comes up to discussion.

Humans cannot tell the difference for Eldar? When what the hell are 25% of Guardians, the Banshees, most Wyches and the Lhameans?O_o

Personally I like the idea that some Necrons are female (it nowhere states that they were hermaphrodites or anything else and so far all humanoids in the setting but the Orkz have females) AND I don't see a problem with a Necron wearing armour that was originally shaped for a female. I doubt Khalida could fill out hers (there shouldn't be much water and fat left in her body). The conversion would just take a lot of effort, Lord bodies remind me of Termnator armour. And we don't have women in Terminator armour either.

Go for it I Imagine if the Necron lords at lest try to look a little like they used to especially the ones looking for a bio transfer host.

Leigen_Zero wrote:Yes but where all know where this is going to end up...
..." important text stuff"...
Note: I am in no way trying to spark a male/female superiority flamewar with the above statement, those so inclined please do not use this post as an opportunity to do so...

This is an interesting idea. The Necron's could have had a more patriarchal society ,as has been so common through out human history, and as such women would have been viewed simply as a means to reproduction.

1. As the Necrons would no longer require to reproduce as such, they would not transfer the females over.
2. Female's became the Worlds that produces the stuffs (I think I like this one).
3. Females "re purposed" through reanimation protocols to look like everybody else for some reason.

Insensitive and not so politically correct joke:
4. Wouldn't the Tomb Worlds that cant use reason be the female Necrons? (I apologize)

For emphasis:
I am in no way trying to spark a male/female superiority flamewar with the above statement

Speaking of Inq. Valeria, I didn't get the idea that she was being scorned or used for laughs in the Necron 'dex. Actually, from her description on the Grey Knights codex, I found her to be quite a sympathetic character, commited to her duty while fighting fudamentalism within the (very fundamentalistic) Imperium.

Valeria was trolled big time by that Trazyn guy/mechanoid/thing, but if you read her entry on the GK codex you'll see that his "gift" is now part of her wargear.

So, in the end, it's Valeria who trolls back

...(probably after some unlucky acolyte or servitor opened the package for her. Yep, this is 40k after all).


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Melissia wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Agent_Tremolo wrote:I don't recall having seen female Daleks either

Tremolo wins the thread, folks. We can all go home now.

It's one of the many flaws of the Doctor Who series, yes.

[/hides to escape the pitchforks and torches]

Lol, thanks Manchu.

@Melissia: I'm not too big on classic Who, but if I recall correctly, Daleks were once a humanoid (read absolutely, completely, unmistakably human... 60s vfx, people.) race before Stavros turned them into time-travelling genocidal shaltshakers...

Well before the entire necron race was interred into necrodermis there had to be females, but perhaps they just serve a purpose that hasnt been seen yet, or they could serve as some of the other warrior classes and we just cant tell

Perhaps there's only one designed body for the transfer, and male or female they're all the same.

All I can say is, read the Codex and use some common sense.

There are no reproductive organs on the metal skeletons, neither male nor female. The deal was to make the bodies immortal, leaving everything mortal behind (including death AND birth) and also unfortunately almost all individuality in looks (hidden part of the deal). The look was influenced by the already morbid death cult in the Necrontyr society. There is no need for high heels, mini skirts, push up bras and monthly oil leaks in metal bodies made for fighting. So there aren't any.

If you want female looking Overlords, you can use the rule of the cool and use e.g. AT-43 models for that. But they are not part of the official fluff.

Kroothawk wrote:All I can say is, read the Codex and use some common sense.

And in turn, I say to read the thread.

The only people talking about boobcrons are the ones inventing strawmen to discredit the idea. What is actually being proposed would be as simple as the fluff for one or more special characters referring to them as a "Queen" before they became an undying extinguisher of life.

For reference see Cybermen.

AlexHolker wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:All I can say is, read the Codex and use some common sense.

And in turn, I say to read the thread.

The only people talking about boobcrons are the ones inventing strawmen to discredit the idea. What is actually being proposed would be as simple as the fluff for one or more special characters referring to them as a "Queen" before they became an undying extinguisher of life.

Agreed - would have been nice but it seems many of those against the concept are the ones obsessed with the boobs.............

Mjoellnir wrote:Humans cannot tell the difference for Eldar? When what the hell are 25% of Guardians, the Banshees, most Wyches and the Lhameans?O_o

Try to determine the difference between a female banshee and a male one by lookin' at 'em. Eldar are generally androgynous. Their armor has secondary sexual characteristics more pronounced than their bodies do-- look at Lilith Hesperax for example, she's fairly androgynous.

Mr Morden wrote:Agreed - would have been nice but it seems many of those against the concept are the ones obsessed with the boobs.............

Yeah, people are asinine like that.

GW's traditional viewpoint of elves has always had them be long-limbed, willowy creatures. For the females, this means narrow hips and small breasts. In a suit of armor, they'd pass for men... or the men for women, as there'd be no obvious visual physical variance.

Of course, it was once assumed that dwarven women were bearded... this was, of course, incorrect, but the men of the Empire had simply never seen dwarves in kilts before!

wouldn't a necron lord (kinda) "fall in love" with a female from another race and try to transform that female into a Pariah?

i haven't read all the necron fluff, and the necrotyr might not do that sort of thing, but since the new higher ranked necrons have gotten "personalities", wouldn't it be possible?

Dunno, how likely are you to fall in love with an orangutan?

Just because they have personalities doesn't make them likely to be xenophiliacs.

Psienesis wrote:Dunno, how likely are you to fall in love with an orangutan?
Just because they have personalities doesn't make them likely to be xenophiliacs.

That is a terrible argument. Do you realize all the different things people love/attempt to make love to/with on this planet alone?

Uhm, maybe not a Lord but...

Becoming mad for no logical reason: check
Long nails: check
Desire to wear some dead animals skin, fur, although doesn't actually need to: check

so what you're referring to, is that can fall in love or something?

It might bloom on a battlefield?

Sooo much

I’ll also have to agree that people using the “boobcrons” argument are pretty much failposting IMO.

Personally my interpretation is that fluff-wise, things aren’t 100% ruled out nor is gender mentioned specifically in any sort of detail, therefore making the idea loosely plausible (under the basis that in the new fluff, tomb worlds can be radically different from each other).

Fluff wise, something along the lines of Queen Khalida would be the best approach a female overlord. Model wise, the Queen Khalida miniature + green stuff + headswap would be the best way to approach a conversion.

i were kinda thinking about making a "female" pariah and make her count as either a lord or overlord in games. no oversized boobs though.

Good thing then that Pariahs are not in the Codex anymore

and that sucks.

CpatTom wrote:

Psienesis wrote:Dunno, how likely are you to fall in love with an orangutan?
Just because they have personalities doesn't make them likely to be xenophiliacs.

That is a terrible argument. Do you realize all the different things people love/attempt to make love to/with on this planet alone?

That doesn't make those people "normal" examples of the species. Or, hell, even "normal" in any definition of the word. While I suppose it's *possible* for a Necron to develop romantic interests in a human (though Eldar would be more likely, being closer to the same age, culturally, as the Necron)... I think it would be exceedingly unlikely.

The point was feasibility not general standard I think.

It doesn't need to be the norm, just possible.

In the end you can model what you like and do what you like.

I'm not sure that the question of a Necron Lord having "feelings" for a member of another species has anything to do with modeling. After all, two bits of plastic, or a bit of plastic with a bit of metal, don't have feelings. This, to me, seems more a fluff question...

... and, like I said, while possible, I suppose, I feel it's an exceedingly unlikely situation.

Durza wrote:
Bees. Female is the master of the hive, males are workers.

Worker bees are female, too.

Male bees(Drones) exist purely to fertilize Queens.