This years American Team Challenge Date has been officially set for July 14th and 15th 2012!

WEBSITE - LIVE NOW! : www.whatc.org
FACEBOOK : www.facebook.com/ATC40k

PRE-REGISTRATION IS NOW OPEN!

WHAT IS THE ATC?

The American Team Championship is where the best of the best will come together to decide who is the #1 Club/Team in North America!

Last Year was a HUGE success and TONS of Fun and this year will only get better!

- New Venue with loads of food, drink and entertainment options - O'Charleys, Applebees, Steak N Shake, Foodcourt, Chilis, DQ, Panera, Pizza and more within 5 min walking distance.

- Improved Terrain, Earlier Times, No Champion Component and other improvements - you asked, we listened!

- More Prize Support (Yep even more than last years awesome support!)

There are many details to be posted and worked out and we will be continually updating the Facebook page with all the info as decisions are made.
Here's what we have to date - More Details to Follow Soon!

5 Member Teams.
Every Member on the Team Must use a different Codex Army.

2000 Points per player.
Maximum 1 Special Character per Army List.

6 Games (4 Saturday, 2 Sunday)

No Painting or Composition Scores.
ALL models MUST be WYSIWYG! NO Exceptions!
Sportsmanship will be taken into account - more details to follow

Trophies will be given for Best Painted (one person out of all participants), Best Sportsmanship (one person out of all participants), Best General (one person out of all participants), Best Team (each member will be rewarded a trophy) and Best Theme (one person out of all participants).

HOW TO REGISTER for the ATC:

A brief note on Pre-Registration vs Showing up the day of:
Pre-Registration is HIGHLY recommended and is also cheaper!
We will be prepared for the amount of teams that have Pre-Registered plus 2 "Last Minute" teams for the last week/day of, UNLESS we sell out before!
Don't take your chances with being one of those 2 teams!

Pre-registration cut off is Saturday June 2nd 2012 or until we reach maximum capacity (approx 24 teams.)

Pre-registration/Registration for The ATC Event is done through Dicehead Games & Comics.

INFORMATION NEEDED:
1 - The Full Name of EACH Team Member (Team members may be changed at a later date if need be)
2 - At least 1 email contact for the team (email contacts for EACH member is recommended if possible)
3 - The Name of the Team
4 - The State(s) that the Team is coming from

To Register :
email : shane@dicehead.com with "ATC Registratration" in the Subject Line
You can Prepay - $45 per person, $225 per team - by Money Order (call for address) or Paypal shane@dicehead.com
IMPORTANT : If you email and do not receive a response within 48 hours, please call the number below!

You can call : (423) 473-7125 IF you need further assistance, but we would prefer email correspondence as much as possible.

email shane@dicehead.com to pre-register and for more information

Event Location Change!
Bradley Square Mall in Cleveland TN
(25 mins away from last years location, just off I75)

Loads of food, drinks and entertainment within walking distance, Very Nice on-site Hotel (Jameson Inn) and Air-Conditioning!


Bradley Square Mall
200 Paul Huff Pkwy Suite 12
Cleveland TN 37312

Awesome! Time to Spread the word!

This was an awesome event last year. I find travelling with friends to play 40k on the same team very enjoyable and a welcome change from the singles format.

My wife has pre-approved this trip for me, now to find a team^^.

Outstanding!!!! I'm in!

@Hive: I'm sure we can get a team together

The Blade and Bolter Boyz will be back - looking for revenge on all the teams that kicked our arse's last year......

At least one of the teams from B'Ham will be there.

I heard this event was a good time last year. I'd like to make it out this time.

Anything put on by Dicehead and GA is going to be good and done right. I may have to look at trying for this one.

Hmm..I want to make a team for this..

Painting Note : No Painting or Composition Scores, although, ALL models must be painted to a minimum standard of 3 colors and bases painted or flocked.


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Blade N Bolter Boyz are the first team to Sign Up!
Who's Next?

Hoo Rah! First to sign up - and First place this year!

2012 will be the year of firsts for the BNB!

Last Years Champs - Wrecking BOLS - is officially the second team!

Aldonis wrote:Hoo Rah! First to sign up - and First place this year!

2012 will be the year of firsts for the BNN!

Maybe they will have their first pee pee touch too!

BNN = Bread and Nanners?

My team will sign up tonight! We gotta beat some ass this year, my team was embarrassed last year, mostly by me :(

Sigh....Wiley - no matter how much you beg or how much money you offer - you can't touch me in my no-no place. Let go of your fantasy.

I have a suggestion for a team name for you guys...

BnB Banner Boys - and if you are nice we will let you carry our spiffy blue banner in for us. Might even let you carry our army bags as well if you ask nicely.

It's on like Donkey Kong buddy! All in good fun! Looking forward to having you guys lose to us this year.....


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Bikeninja wrote:Anything put on by Dicehead and GA is going to be good and done right. I may have to look at trying for this one.

The presence of the Bikeninja would greatly improve this event!

Aldonis wrote:The Blade and Bolter Boyz will be back - looking for revenge on all the teams that kicked our arse's last year......

I would be happy to oblige you a rematch! The Kans are always thirsty for "'Mperal Blud!"

I had a ton of fun last year. It was easily my favorite tournament ever AND there was a ton of problems with that venue. This year will be way better with this new location. I wouldn't miss this for the world. If I had to choose to go to 10 GTs or just the ATC the choice would be easy. This event and Wargamescon are musts for me but Feast of Blades is looking pretty good as well.

You get so much value out of this event. Trying to scrape out just a measly 5 pts of 30 for your teammates is a blast. No game ever feels like it is meaningless because you are competing with your opponent but also you want to kick ass for your team. I would say that their are less rules issues and sportsmanship is greater in this multi-game team format.

Shinkaze wrote:I had a ton of fun last year. It was easily my favorite tournament ever AND there was a ton of problems with that venue. This year will be way better with this new location. I wouldn't miss this for the world. If I had to choose to go to 10 GTs or just the ATC the choice would be easy. This event and Wargamescon are musts for me but Feast of Blades is looking pretty good as well.

You get so much value out of this event. Trying to scrape out just a measly 5 pts of 30 for your teammates is a blast. No game ever feels like it is meaningless because you are competing with your opponent but also you want to kick ass for your team. I would say that their are less rules issues and sportsmanship is greater in this multi-game team format.

+1 to all that. I can only travel to one major event and this is my first choice. Let's see if we can double the number of teams in attendance this year. I'd love to see some west coast teams attend.

The mall is a great location for a tournament - lots of local food, cheap hotels, etc. A bit further from the airport - but not extreme.

Agree with Shinkaze - every game had meaning.....and uber-tough match ups. Especially when you knew you had the tough match - but still tried to scrape some points up somewhere.

I'm thinking Scarab swarms might be really strong at the ETC but will having one on the team matter at ATC? Maybe 5 man teams will be better than 8 because now that army that is looking for a great match up might be a liability instead of a advantage.

<3 Aldonis!

Oh CRAP - just realized this is now on Fathers Day weekend.....that throws a wrench into things.....

Aldonis wrote:Oh CRAP - just realized this is now on Fathers Day weekend.....that throws a wrench into things.....

If it was mothers day I could see that as a problem. Seems like fathers day could only go in your favor. That and the fact that you know you dont have to observe it on the exact date.

Why is a single person $45 and a team $225?

My math skills tell me, that $45 per person X 5 people per team = $225 per team...

Another Plug for this tournament. My team last year was next to last, and it was still the most fun 40k event I have ever been to. I will be back, and highly suggest this to anyone wanting to have a blast of a time!

I don't know if anyone has caught this but it appears Wargames Con and the ATC are one week apart. The ATC is scheduled for June 16th & 17th where as Wargames Con is scheduled for June 21st - 24th.

I definitely wanted to attend both events but that seems very unrealistic at this point.

Bahaha I missed the 5 member team portion :(
lol

For those of us that live far enough away to warrant flying in, its kind of a bummer that this takes place 2 hours from any major airport (at least from what I can tell). Kinda moot though, I don't think I can get 5 guys that are willing to make the trekk regardless, at least for 2012.

Looks cool though and the synaps3 blogging on regarding last years definitely piqued my interest.

I am so excited for this event this year I had a blast last year.

I already have two tips for the future of this event but I see many things have already been changed for the better. So I am happy already.

First- Venues near Airports are smart. If there really isn't a decent airport within 1 hour drive thats rough for a lot of out of towners.

Second- And most important. The reason the ETC is so cool is because when you have 8 players on a team you get to see some people playing with unique armies and lists...this makes the whole thing more fun and I belive more competitive and more of a test to see who is the better teams out there.

When the maority of teams comes with:
1) Gray Knights
2) Spcae Wolfs
3) Imperial Guard
4) Blood Angels
5) Death Wing

It can get borring. There might be ways to ensure we see a good spread of army types and still remain at the 5 player level teams? Then again that is if anyone agrees with my points.

In the future if the event keeps growing I'm sure it could get moved to a bigger city. Unfortunately for now cost is an issue, I'm sure the organizers don't want to lose money on an event, I know they don't make much money on it. But until there are enough teams coming to warrant it I don't see it moving.

I completely agree though, if it becomes a huge event it needs to move. So make it grow and bring your team!

I totally understand running an event where you live and operate -- putting something together hours away from where you live would be hellish. Still, my issue (issue being a strong word), is these folks have sort of staked a claim as being the ATC by virture of being the first to organize, yet have made it infeasible for anyone living out west to attend.

Its all good though, just a consideration for the future then any real knock on the event or the organizers.

Actually Chattanooga has an decent sized airport - and is only 1/2 hour or so from the event. Several folks flew in last year for it.

Nashville (where I live) is about an hour and 1/2 drive away and is a major airport. Atlanta about 2 hours away.

Knoxville is another option - and is about 1 hour (maybe less) away.

One of our team mates flew into Chattanooga from Chicago last year - think is was a decent rate and easy flight for him.

So - net/net - check into your options a little - nothing on the east coast will be CHEAP from the west coast - but if you go through Chi-town/Dallas/etc - you might be able to get a decent connection.

Hotels near the venue may not be 5 star - but are decent and reasonably priced and lots of easy food. If enough out of towners were coming in - maybe the hosts could arrange some kind of shuttle or something (don't know - just throwing it out).

I do think if it continues to grow - that it will probably move to Nashville area pending venues (one of the host stores - Grand Adventures - is near Nashville - just need to make sure that the tourney will pull enough people to at least break even).

winterman wrote:I totally understand running an event where you live and operate -- putting something together hours away from where you live would be hellish. Still, my issue (issue being a strong word), is these folks have sort of staked a claim as being the ATC by virture of being the first to organize, yet have made it infeasible for anyone living out west to attend.

Its all good though, just a consideration for the future then any real knock on the event or the organizers.

While I agree Chattanooga is off the beaten path. Most people typically prefer not to make multiple connections to reach a destination but unless you are always in a major city that is not going to happen. There are a few other major tournaments that I would not consider that easy to travel. But considering I flew in from Switzerland last year and did not find it to cumbersome. I think most would find it not quite as difficult as they would imagine.

Cleveland is getting a new airport next year due to 2 major Amazon warehouses opening. It will be a major airport making flights easier. The plan is to move it to Nashville in the future. I checked today and there are direct flights to Chattanooga from every airport in CA. There will be a 5 star hotel that will be finished by event date that is only 3-5 mins away as well.



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We did have several players from the West coast that had no issues with their flights last year, so its not impossible.



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NotThisTime wrote:I don't know if anyone has caught this but it appears Wargames Con and the ATC are one week apart. The ATC is scheduled for June 16th & 17th where as Wargames Con is scheduled for June 21st - 24th.

I definitely wanted to attend both events but that seems very unrealistic at this point.

We are working on a final date change to get us 3 weeks away from Wargamescon and off of Fathers Day. Will put us Mid-July.
Final date info coming asap,

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NotThisTime wrote:I don't know if anyone has caught this but it appears Wargames Con and the ATC are one week apart. The ATC is scheduled for June 16th & 17th where as Wargames Con is scheduled for June 21st - 24th.

I definitely wanted to attend both events but that seems very unrealistic at this point.

We are working on a final date change to get us 3 weeks away from Wargamescon and off of Fathers Day. Will put us Mid-July.
Final date info coming asap,

OK Guys - NEW and FINAL DATE CHANGE!!!!
THE NEW DATE IS SET FOR JULY 14TH & 15TH 2012
Please pass along this news to everyone you know or other forums that this is being discussed on that I may have missed!

I apologize for the date change but we conflicted with 2 other events pretty badly and we want everyone to be able to attend everything that they want to and for all the TO's to have the best turnout possible!

Awesome! Thanks!

Great news and a good time.

I think you guys said on Facebook page you have 8 teams already locked (40 people) - WAY COOL!

B-rad wrote:Second- And most important. The reason the ETC is so cool is because when you have 8 players on a team you get to see some people playing with unique armies and lists...this makes the whole thing more fun and I belive more competitive and more of a test to see who is the better teams out there.

When the maority of teams comes with:
1) Gray Knights
2) Spcae Wolfs
3) Imperial Guard
4) Blood Angels
5) Death Wing

I agree 100%. 5 teammates means 80% of the field is made of the top tournament armies. 8 man teams forces half the field to play outside the top books. And the strategy behind matching up 8 vs 8 with lots of book diversity is just that much deeper and better than 5 vs 5.

I know 8 man teams are a little harder to organize. But I don’t really think that much more. I know in my area it would be easier to smash two adepticon teams together than it would finding one odd person to add to our normal 4.

Just my 2 cents, good luck this year!

I actually think the 8 man teams would be a blast.

But...as a team captain - getting 5 people is pretty dang hard to do and get them to stick with it. Both teams from my local club had drop outs and struggled to get teams together.

Also - there is a LOT more parity in the codex's and armies now. With one more Codex most likely dropping before July - you have a LOT more competitive armies than in the past. So I think you will see a wider mix.

And last year had a pretty wide swing as well - lots of BA,SW's, GK's - but a good number of Orc's, Eldar, a couple Tau, lot's of Marines, Dark Angels, Templars, a few Guard....but more variety than you are giving credit for above.

Plus some of those "less popular" lists are pretty deadly to the one's here.

Hmm... I think Fishboy and I should start "Team I just like to paint good and have fun playing"

SlaveToDorkness wrote:Hmm... I think Fishboy and I should start "Team I just like to paint good and have fun playing"

LOL - 'Da Boyz already have Fishboy as their interpreter. Helps them understand "Southern" when they come down to TN.

Oh well. We'd probably end up in a fistfight anyways....lol

Eight of the 24 max teams have already registered (so 40 players so far) and it doesn't happen until July.

Looks like it will be a big deal again this year.

13 Teams now registered.

Up to 17 as of now.....

Pretty cool for a tourney that doesn't happen until July!

I want to bring a new team but feel a bit intimidated by all the presence of the heavyweight clubs like 40kWC and Da Boyz to name just two. Can it be a fun time for a team now saddled with all heavy hitters?

If only for the change of flavor from normal tournaments that it brings, yes.

Don't for get The Blade and Bolter Boyz, those guys are badass!

Some of them are even great painters...

-666- wrote:I want to bring a new team but feel a bit intimidated by all the presence of the heavyweight clubs like 40kWC and Da Boyz to name just two. Can it be a fun time for a team now saddled with all heavy hitters?

It's hard to answer this - because different people want different things out of a tourney.

If you are "win or not fun" - this is a tough tournament - it has lots of GOOD players and a different strategy element around matchups of players/list. Any team can win on any given day - but it's a tough and grueling tournament.

If you are "play hard, want to win, but if I lose and learn it's still good" - this is a fun tournament. You most likely WILL be playing against highly experienced tournament gamers - many who have won or placed highly at big events in the past. You will face off against highly tuned lists and people that now have at least 1 year of experience in getting the matchup thing going. The extra strategy of the matchups is a lot of fun - but a different element that this tournament offers. You have to have a tight team - one that understands that you may get matched against a terrible army for you to face - to allow your team mates to have GOOD matchups.

If you are "I just play for fun - I like fluffy armies and think only dicks bring hard core WAAC lists" - then this might not be a lot of fun. The tourney organizers expect that sportsmanship is a component - but a fluffy list does not equal sportsmanship. You should expect to face the hardest list that people can come up with - and people that are playing to win - and win all three objectives as they all count towards total points.

Personally, I've done well at major tourney's in the past (GW GT's back in the day), I somewhat consider myself a fluff bunny, and play mostly to have fun and the tactical and strategic challenges the hobby brings me. This was pretty much the most fun I've had at any tourney. I had 4 of my good friends as team mates - we laughed, joked, reveled in victory, commensurated defeat - and had a great time.

Thanks for the advice. Looks like I'll be trying to put a team together now.

I am debating putting a team together as well. Just the distance is a bit of an issue sadly. How many spots are left?

20 Teams registered at this point.
We are already looking for ways to expand the venue to hold more!

So, we are 4 teams away from our capacity with 6 months still to go...as a result, we are working with our venue to be able to add more teams, so please continue to register!


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Official ATC website LIVE NOW!
www.whatc.org

ALL the information, rules, mission, etc is now conveniently located in one place and don't forget to find us and follow all the up-to-date news on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/ATC40k

UPDATES:
We have added more space to now hold 34 teams max.
27 Teams are currently signed up.
The mission has been changed back to a 12" distance between ALL objectives.
www.whatc.org is live

Below is the registered team list:
1- Emerald Coast Wargamers - PAID
2 - Team last Square - PAID
3 - lCl A G E - PAID
4 - Rusty Scabbard -PAID
5 - Original CAGE - PAID
6- Team general staff - PAID
7- Vanguard Gaming - PAID
8- Fixed Dice #1 - PAID
9- Fixed Dice #2 - PAID
10 -Knights of Tallahassee - PAID
11 - Dolls House of Ill Repute - PAID
12 - Chicago Kamikazes - PAID
13- Five 4 Fighting - PAID
14 - Fantastic Four Plus One
15 - Wrecking BOLS
16 - Codex Toledo
17- Blade N Bolter
18- Borderlands Gaming
19- Team general staff
20 - Wrecking Crew East
21- California Bay Area Open
22 -Flashy Gits
23- Chug A Lug
24 - Knife and Bolt Pistol boyz
25- Team Unbroken
26- Broken Dice
27 - Martial Law

I am putting my team together now. Hopefully you will have us at #28 real soon.

Team Five 4 Fighting has full expectations of going 31-0 at this

I saw today that the ATC has dropped the restrictions for special characters and I think that is very awesome indeed. Hopefully the ETC will eventually catch on. Excellent news indeed.

I know you guys think that Chattanooga is a big city, but it really isn’t.

Flight on the ATC weekend from:
Phoenix to Chattanooga $464, 1 stop and 6 Hours 53 minute coming, 8 Hours 50 Minutes going
Phoenix to Atlanta $349 Non-stop 3 Hours, 35 Minutes
I would say that is a bit of a difference.

And renting a car and driving for 2 hours is not a good answer and adds a lot of time and $$$




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THE SIEGE wrote:Cleveland is getting a new airport next year due to 2 major Amazon warehouses opening. It will be a major airport making flights easier. The plan is to move it to Nashville in the future. I checked today and there are direct flights to Chattanooga from every airport in CA. There will be a 5 star hotel that will be finished by event date that is only 3-5 mins away as well.

There are no direct flights from Los Angeles with the largest airport in the country.

Flight on the ATC weekend from:
LAX to Chattanooga $533, 1 stop and 8 Hours 42 minutes coming, 7 Hours 0 Minutes going
LAX to Atlanta $352 Non-stop 4 Hours, 45 Minutes

It is indeed expensive to fly from one end of the country to the other.. This is not news.

The drive from ATL to the tournament venue is not a bad drive at all.

Seems like if you rented an SUV type vehicle between the whole team or tried to communicate with a local for ride up it should help really cut the travel expense.

blood angel wrote:It is indeed expensive to fly from one end of the country to the other.. This is not news.

I have about an 8 hour drive, im sure plenty others are going to be flying for a while. Why not come out and kick ass blackmoor?

Blackmoor wrote:I know you guys think that Chattanooga is a big city, but it really isn’t.

I don't think anyone has said that. I live here and I have no delusions about that at all; not sure where you're getting that.

There is a direct flight to Chattanooga from Washington DC and there are plenty of flights to and from DC if anyone is upset about driving.

Also, for the record, there will be no major aiport in Cleveland; if there is one it will be a shipping/private airport for Amazon/Fedex/etc.

Cleveland - or Chattanooga for that matter - is far froma Metropolis - which is good and bad.

It's a little harder to get to and a little more expensive. You'll either pay more to fly into Chattanooga - or less and rent a car from ATL. Sorry - but that's a fact.

But - the rooms will cost less, the food less, you won't pay for parking, it's a small town and easy to get around in (relatively), there is a lot to do siteseeing wise in the area for those not into gaming, and the guys that run it do a STELLER job of putting it on.

So...it's a matter of personal choice I guess.

Personally, this tournament had more overall experienced and top shelf players at it than pretty much any I've seen before, the format is a lot of fun, and the comaraderie that the team format brings is a blast.

Give it a shot!

hyv3mynd wrote:

Shinkaze wrote:I had a ton of fun last year. It was easily my favorite tournament ever AND there was a ton of problems with that venue. This year will be way better with this new location. I wouldn't miss this for the world. If I had to choose to go to 10 GTs or just the ATC the choice would be easy. This event and Wargamescon are musts for me but Feast of Blades is looking pretty good as well.

You get so much value out of this event. Trying to scrape out just a measly 5 pts of 30 for your teammates is a blast. No game ever feels like it is meaningless because you are competing with your opponent but also you want to kick ass for your team. I would say that their are less rules issues and sportsmanship is greater in this multi-game team format.

+1 to all that. I can only travel to one major event and this is my first choice. Let's see if we can double the number of teams in attendance this year. I'd love to see some west coast teams attend.

Where are you located/traveling from?


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Blackmoor wrote:I know you guys think that Chattanooga is a big city, but it really isn’t.

Flight on the ATC weekend from:
Phoenix to Chattanooga $464, 1 stop and 6 Hours 53 minute coming, 8 Hours 50 Minutes going
Phoenix to Atlanta $349 Non-stop 3 Hours, 35 Minutes
I would say that is a bit of a difference.

And renting a car and driving for 2 hours is not a good answer and adds a lot of time and $$$




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THE SIEGE wrote:Cleveland is getting a new airport next year due to 2 major Amazon warehouses opening. It will be a major airport making flights easier. The plan is to move it to Nashville in the future. I checked today and there are direct flights to Chattanooga from every airport in CA. There will be a 5 star hotel that will be finished by event date that is only 3-5 mins away as well.

There are no direct flights from Los Angeles with the largest airport in the country.

Flight on the ATC weekend from:
LAX to Chattanooga $533, 1 stop and 8 Hours 42 minutes coming, 7 Hours 0 Minutes going
LAX to Atlanta $352 Non-stop 4 Hours, 45 Minutes

Try living in Maine and finding a direct flight.... then you can talk

This will probably be one of the best events of the year. Lots of teams... Should be both hard core gaming and a really great time for all.

As we grow we will update to a larger city to make it more convenient, thank you to all 33 teams now officially registered for your support!


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We have removed the limitations on Special Characters. You are now free to use them as your Codex allows!

How many spots are left for this event? I may have a full team that would be interested in registering.

34 teams now. We are now on a first-paid first reserved basis. there are 6 unpaid teams as of today. If you pay, you play.

I sure hope you have lots of terrain - it is going to be a lot of tables. I'm looking forward to this event.

I do not believe terrain is an issue. There are 2 stores who are going in together on this one to provide the best experience possible.

Now that special characters are allowed, let's say Bjorn is run, and he dies...

To what area (Cap control or Seize Ground) does his objective apply to?

He will count as a Seize Ground Objective.

UPDATED TEAM LISTING 4/2/2012

WE MAY TAKE ON MORE TEAMS BUT WE ARE OFFICIALLY SOLD OUT UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

Team Name Paid
1 Team last Square yes
2 lCl A G E yes
3 Rusty Scabbard yes
4 Original CAGE yes
5 Team general staff yes
6 Vanguard Gaming yes
7 Fixed Dice #1 yes
8 Fixed Dice #2 yes
9 Knights of Tallahassee yes
10 Dolls House of Ill Repute yes
11 Chicago Kamikazes yes
12 Five 4 Fighting yes
13 Fantastic Four Plus One yes
14 40k School of Driving yes
15 Martial Law yes
16 Wrecking Crew East yes
17 JAC Games Team Alpha yes
18 Chicagos Jack Booted Thugs yes
19 Wrecking BOLS yes
20 Codex Toledo yes
21 Blade N Bolter yes
22 Borderlands Gaming yes
23 Team Zero Comp no
24 Flashy Gits no
25 Chug A Lug yes
26 Knife and Bolt Pistol boyz yes
27 Team Unbroken yes
28 Broken Dice no
29 Karmic Justice yes
30 JAC Games Team Omega yes
31 Inner Circle yes
32 The Foundry yes
33 Boots Of speed yes
34 Quality Control yes
35 Counter Attack no
36 Emerald Coast Warriors yes

It is not a surprised it is sold out!! This is truly a great event. If I did not have plans on that weekend I would be going back this year.

We have just opened up room for 5 more teams - First paid, first served, Spread the word!


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Clauss wrote:How many spots are left for this event? I may have a full team that would be interested in registering.

We just opened up 5 more spaces.
Let me know ASAP.

To answer the question anyone might have about top tier armies this is what the top 4 teams brought last year in order of placement:

GK, BA, IG, SW, BT
CD, IG, EL, DE, SW
EL, GK, we didn't play them so I don't know but I know the Da Boyz were intentionally bringing unusual list to prove a point

and out team in 4th had Sisters, BA, CSM, Orks and SW

Many of these lists were unusual creations that could have a much better chance to do well for the team than they would have to win a major event on their own



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I could see where someone would say well look at the armies that were fielded by the team that won. I would reply that team arguably had the best mix of players but only closely followed by teams 2 and 3 and just a little less closely by the team I was on in 4th place who doesn't play very often these days.

Shinkaze wrote:To answer the question anyone might have about top tier armies this is what the top 4 teams brought last year in order of placement:

GK, BA, IG, SW, BT
CD, IG, EL, DE, SW
EL, GK, we didn't play them so I don't know but I know the Da Boyz were intentionally bringing unusual list to prove a point

and out team in 4th had Sisters, BA, CSM, Orks and SW

DaBoyz (3rd overall) brought: Orks (captain), eldar (took best general), GK, nids (me), and salamanders.

Aaron you going to be there again this year? Hope to see ur Dark Eldar!

-Jonathan W.

Nay.

The core of the team had to choose between wargamescon and ATC and they chose WGC. I did get an offer to fill a spot on another team, but I've got a little ankle biter now and the timing wasn't good.

Maybe next year! Come out to DaBoyz GT if you wanna see the DE

@Shane...You still got spots open??

@ the field....If not, I am interested in trying to pick up on a team...If anyone needs an extra...PM me for my armies and etc...thanks..

What...

No DaBoyz team at ATC....

Say it ain't so.....Jay, Shaun,Chris.....what are you thinking!!!!

2 spots left.

Aldonis wrote:What...

No DaBoyz team at ATC....

Say it ain't so.....Jay, Shaun,Chris.....what are you thinking!!!!

yea I can't come to do a bunch of personal commitments. I really wanted to go. It is funny since we were the first one's to pay last year and this year we can't go.

Come on Jay there are still two spots left !! Just say f**k it let's roll some dice !!

Can Jay come out and play?

B-rad wrote:I am so excited for this event this year I had a blast last year.

I already have two tips for the future of this event but I see many things have already been changed for the better. So I am happy already.

First- Venues near Airports are smart. If there really isn't a decent airport within 1 hour drive thats rough for a lot of out of towners.

Second- And most important. The reason the ETC is so cool is because when you have 8 players on a team you get to see some people playing with unique armies and lists...this makes the whole thing more fun and I belive more competitive and more of a test to see who is the better teams out there.

When the maority of teams comes with:
1) Gray Knights
2) Spcae Wolfs
3) Imperial Guard
4) Blood Angels
5) Death Wing

It can get borring. There might be ways to ensure we see a good spread of army types and still remain at the 5 player level teams? Then again that is if anyone agrees with my points.

One way to get a spread of army types while at the same time keeping the teams at 5 people would be to group exsisting army books into 5 catagories. Each team picks an army from each catagory. You can spread armies around the catagories to get a more varied distribution of armies present at the event.

Catagory 1 (pick one army from this list)
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
Black Templars

Catagory 2
Grey Knights
Space Wolves
Imperial Guard

Catagory 3
Tyranids
Orks
Eldar
Daemons

Catagory 4
Dark Eldar
Tau
CSM

Catagory 5
Sisters
Space marines
Necrons



Now don't kill me because of the catagories. I just did this off the top of my head and didn't give to much thought to the armies in each list. Though GK, SW and IG all together was what got me to think of this. I don't think a complaint of "but my team only plays GK, IG and SW" will hold much water. Most guys have more than one army and if they don't, then this event filled up anyway so it can stand to lose a few teams and not get hurt numbers wise.

Jst a way to promote army diversity while keeping everyone in the same boat.

I think restrictions are bad in general. Tournaments are tending to move away from that (thankfully).

Is beer allowed at the venue?

It's an interesting idea but I don't put as much into tiers as other people. In BP you want to win big and I find it difficult to do so with even the supposedly god like GK. KPs are a son of a gun when you want to go 30-0 with a high # of KP in your list.

@Eidolon Brilliant question! We will have a cooler if so.

Shinkaze wrote:
@Eidolon Brilliant question! We will have a cooler if so.

Same. If it is I plan on bringing some plastic cups and drinking with my opponents during games.

What was the decision on number of games - 5 or 6?

More importantly, what was the decision on the beer?

This looks like it will be my last 5th edition tournament. On this continent that is.

Looking foreword to this event.

6 Games.

5th Edition.

Beer - There is a place in the mall that serves beer. But remember it is a Mall so drinking on the game floor should prob be avoided - in-between at the Mexican place? Well that's left up to you!

I just sent out an email but I will re-post it here for everyone:

*PLEASE READ IMPORTANT DEADLINES! *

TEAM & PLAYER NAMES
Your Final Answer for a Team Name
The FULL Name of EACH team member and the army that member is playing
is due no later than Saturday July 7th.

If a team member has to be changed after July 7th, please email us asap so we can make the necessary changes Before the event! We want to have all info entered and ready to go Before the day of the event!

ARMY LISTS
Army lists including the Name of the Player ARE DUE no later than Saturday July 7th via email (TOGETHER PLEASE if Possible) with your Team Captain's name and Team Name included to : shane@dicehead.com in Excel, Word, Notepad, or Army Builder (latest version ONLY) or can be mailed to our physical address at :

ATC Dicehead Games & Comics
200 Paul Huff Pkwy
Suite 12
Cleveland, TN, 37312

PLEAS NOTE : YOU MUST STILL BRING 7 COPIES OF YOUR ARMY LIST WITH YOU TO THE EVENT!

WHAT TIME SHOULD I BE THERE?
There will be 6 Games Total over the weekend. Each round will be 2 hrs 15 mins plus 15 mins allotted for parings.

Saturday (4 Games) 7:00 a.m. - 7:30 p.m.
7:00 a.m. Team Captain Meeting and 1st Rd Pairings Announced
7:30 a.m. Dice Roll!
12:45 p.m.- 1:45 p.m. Lunch Break
1:45 p.m. Dice Roll!
Last game will end at 7:00 p.m.

Sunday (2 Games) 7:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.
7:30 a.m. Dice Roll!
12:45 p.m. Lunch
2:00 - 2:30 p.m. Awards
(If all goes to plan we will have this thing wrapped up by 3:00 p.m. at the Very Latest!)

WHAT DO I NEED TO BRING?

7 Copies of your army list - There will be a $5 charge to print army lists on-site and you MUST have copies of your army list for the event, so save yourself $5 and bring them with you!
A calculator!!!!!!!!!!!!! You must calculate total Victory Points Every Game!
Dice, Templates, Tape Measure
All Codex and FAQ/Updates/White Dwarf articles for your Codex
Each Team should have at least 2 copies of the 40k Rulebook & FAQ Updates available for their team to use as required.

WHERE IS IT?
Bradley Square Mall
200 Paul Huff Pkwy Suite 12
Cleveland TN 37312
423-614-5583

WHAT EDITION ARE WE PLAYING?
We will be using 5th Edition Rules. 2 Weeks is just an impossible amount of time to learn and practice the new edition!

HOW DO I CONTACT YOU GUYS?
You can email Shane at shane@dicehead.com
You can call Shane at Dicehead Games at 423-473-7125

OTHER QUESTIONS?
Go to the website : WWW.WHATC.ORG
Find us on facebook : www.facebook.com/ATC40k

GW has taken the FAQ section down. Any ideas how we can get copies before the event.

GW FAQ's are still up: https://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?catId=cat440134a&categoryId=1000018§ion=&pIndex=1&aId=3400019&start=2&multiPageMode=true

They should still be up until midnight tonight so if all else fails, save them or email them to yourself so you don't have to worry about it.

On another note, would it be acceptable to have our lists, FAQ, Codex and/or Rulebook on an Electronic Device (i.e. Phone, Tablet, etc)?

Woot! 16 days and counting till the best tournament around!

So super excited!...Wait...I need to paint like 30 dudes...

Electronic Copies are acceptable.
Sorry, didnt think about them being taken down before!

8 Days Kiddos!

ATC 40k 6e Friday Night Tournament JUST ADDED!!!

Open to everyone!
Friday Night July 13th
750 Points
$5 to play
3 Rounds
We will NOT be using the Terrain as part of your force organization chart for this event.

Registration is at 5:30 pm and the tournament will begin at 6:00 pm SHARP and will be over by 9:30 pm

This event is meant to be a laid back and learning event so come out and have some fun!

So much 40k already in the weekend...I don't think I can handle it but good on y'all for making it available. Definitely looking forward to next weekend.

The 6th Ed FAQ's are just the 5th ed FAQ's with a few things added for 6th. They should help for most of the basic things.

Gah I want to play 6th edition, but I can't until after ATC.....still 4 more days...

^ What he said.

I was wondering, would anybody would like to have a dakka meet and greet? Maybe after games on Sat or Fri before hand. I would love to put some names and faces with some names and avatars as I'm sure others would as well.

Discuss...

I'm down for a get together...any locals know a good place? I'd rather go somewhere that isn't stuffy and filled with kids.

Theres gotta be a few bars nearby, I'll start searching.

Oh, its in Cleveland Tennessee, hmmm, that lowers the options. Not looking good.....

Oh god, all its giving me are places that also serve ice cream.....

I gave up. I talked to one of the guys from "The Foundry" team and am trying to get something going at some point. But I wouldnt mind going out to eat with pretty much anybody. I dont vacation to go to bed early in a hotel room.

Here's the 5th Ed FAQs if you are still looking for them.

FAQs on Left Side Bar

JBW I cant seem to find them sadly :/
As i need 4 more of them for my team. Thank you though, could you be a little more specific of where?

Sorry about that, it should be open to public now. The links are on the left side of the page, of the link above.

Awesome, that makes my life alot easier by easily obtaining the FAQ for my team. Much appreciated JBW!

Clauss wrote:Awesome, that makes my life alot easier by easily obtaining the FAQ for my team. Much appreciated JBW!

No Problem! See you this weekend!

For others, I've put the Link in My Signature.

Bars in Cleveland, TN

Chattanooga Billiards Club - Cleveland (my favorite because I am a cigar smoker and they have a decent Humidor)
185 Inman St E, Cleveland, Bradley, Tennessee 37311
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Bradley+Square+Mall,+Bradley+Square+Mall,+200+Paul+Huff+Pkwy+NW+%23+5,+Cleveland,+TN+37312&daddr=185+Inman+St+E,+Cleveland,+TN+37311&hl=en&ll=35.182437,-84.863462&spn=0.055349,0.059996&sll=35.199973,-84.850416&sspn=0.055337,0.059996&geocode=Fcs0GQIdA1Px-iERjVke3l34XSnzFSNDsC5eiDERjVke3l34XQ%3BFTZ5GAId--7w-il1JzVymSteiDE6w6sfUguQVw&oq=bradley+squar&mra=iwd&t=m&z=14

Angelos Sports Bar (close to the event location)
810 Stuart Rd Ne, Cleveland, TN 37312
http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=Bradley+Square+Mall,+Bradley+Square+Mall,+200+Paul+Huff+Pkwy+NW+%23+5,+Cleveland,+TN+37312&daddr=810+Stuart+Road+Northeast,+Cleveland,+TN+37312&hl=en&sll=35.182437,-84.863462&sspn=0.055349,0.059996&geocode=Fcs0GQIdA1Px-iERjVke3l34XSnzFSNDsC5eiDERjVke3l34XQ%3BFbcCGQIdGHvx-ik7yOh0oC5eiDGgmQmkUawDBg&oq=810+Stuart+Rd+Ne,+Cleveland,+TN+37312&mra=ls&t=m&z=16

If you are fine going to franchise bars & restaurants, then within a mile of the mall is:
Chilis 385 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN
Applebees 168 Paul Huff Parkway Northwest Cleveland, TN
O'Charleys 148 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN
Outback 536 Sgt Paul B Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN
Buffalo Wild Wings 625 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN
Aubrys (also a fave of mine, has a separate bar from dining area) 275 Ocoee Crossing Northwest Cleveland, TN
Logans 3940 Keith Street Northwest Cleveland, TN

Non Franchise good eats in Cleveland, tn
Jenkins Deli 88 Mouse Creek Road Northwest Cleveland, TN
TakoYaki 172 Old Mouse Creek Rd NW Cleveland, TN
Yummy! 919 25th Street Northwest Cleveland, TN
Monterrey Mexican Restaurant 3055 Keith Street Northwest Cleveland, TN
Bald Headed Bistro 201 Keith Street Southwest Cleveland, TN
Jordan's Bar-B-Q 910 Stuart Rd Cleveland, TN
Gabriel's Real Italian Pie 2625 Keith St Cleveland, TN
Fulin's Asian Cuisine 4478 Frontage Rd NW Cleveland, TN

Hope that helps! I included the addresses for your GPS goodness. I gave a pretty decent mix of restaurants. See you guys Saturday!

Billiards club, Humidor Cigars Pool (which I suck at)

I like the look of this place, and it doesnt seem like the kind of place you run into your unsavory bar types.

Nah, worst folks you run into there are the Local University Yuppies. Nothing too bad.

They also (I haven't been in a few weeks) have a Bourbon Barrel Stout on tap, as well as Guiness. Nothing pairs with a good cigar like a pint of Buourbon Barrel Stout!

Or Guinness. I have some painting and converting to do still, leave tomorrow morning, and final exams tonight, but you best believe im going to visit the local pub for celebration.

And as a uni yuppie, Im ok with that. I will definitely plan on going friday and perhaps saturday.

PLEASE READ IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!!! TEAM CAPTAINS BE SURE TO PASS THIS INFO ONTO YOUR PLAYERS!!!!

TEAM CAPTAINS
YOU are responsible for your team players being informed of all of the following information so please forward to or call or meet with your team before the event to ensure that they are ALL informed of the following things!
Thank you!

TEAM & PLAYER CHANGES
If a team member has to be changed, please email us asap so we can make the necessary changes Before the event! We want to have all info entered and ready to go Before the day of the event (as possible)!

ARMY LISTS

PLEASE NOTE : YOU MUST BRING 7 COPIES OF YOUR ARMY LIST WITH YOU TO THE EVENT!
There will be a $5 charge to print Army lists at the event - so save $5 and us the trouble - Thanks!

WHERE DO WE GO ONCE WE ARE THERE?
Park at the front of the Mall at Mall Entrance "4"
(look for post office drop box and "Ok Maguay" Mexican Restaurant Sign)
This is the ONLY entrance open this early and it will be the ONLY entrance into the mall at that time.

WHAT TIME SHOULD I BE THERE?

Saturday (4 Games) 7:00 a.m. - 7:30 p.m.
7:00 a.m. Team Captain Meeting and 1st Rd Pairings Announced
7:30 a.m. Dice Roll!
12:45 p.m.- 1:45 p.m. Lunch Break
1:45 p.m. Dice Roll!
Last game will end at 7:00 p.m.

Sunday (2 Games) 7:30 a.m. - 1:00 p.m.
7:30 a.m. Dice Roll!
12:45 p.m. Lunch
2:00 - 2:30 p.m. Awards
(If all goes to plan we will have this thing wrapped up by 3:00 p.m. at the Very Latest!)

There will be 6 Games Total over the weekend. Each round will be 2 hrs 15 mins plus 15 mins allotted for parings.

WHAT DO I NEED TO BRING?

7 Copies of your army list - There will be a $5 charge to print army lists on-site and you MUST have copies of your army list for the event, so save yourself $5 and bring them with you!
A calculator!!!!!!!!!!!!! You must calculate total Victory Points Every Game!
Dice, Templates, Tape Measure
All Codex and FAQ/Updates/White Dwarf articles for your Codex
Each Team should have at least 2 copies of the 40k Rulebook & FAQ Updates available for their team to use as required.

WHERE IS IT?
Bradley Square Mall
200 Paul Huff Pkwy Suite 12
Cleveland TN 37312
423-614-5583

WHAT EDITION ARE WE PLAYING?
We will be using 5th Edition Rules. 2 Weeks is just an impossible amount of time to learn and practice the new edition!

HOW DO I CONTACT YOU GUYS?
You can email Shane at shane@dicehead.com
You can call Shane at Dicehead Games at 423-473-7125

OTHER QUESTIONS?
Go to the website : WWW.WHATC.ORG
Find us on facebook : www.facebook.com/ATC40k


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32 Teams this year (A few had to drop out because of some pretty serious reasons, others were just slackers...wink wink nudge nudge)
This is a loose preview of the armies that will be represented:
24 Grey Knights
22 Space Wolves
21 Dark Eldar
19 Imperial Guard
16 Blood Angels
14 Necrons
12 Orks
9 Space Marines (Vanilla Flavored)
7 Eldar
6 Tau Empire
4 Black Templar
3 Tyranids
3 Chaos Space Marines
3 Dark Angels
2 Daemons
1 Deathwing
1 Sisters of Battle

and a partridge in a pear tree!

Looks like Team Lastsquare brought the easy button lists this year. Necron, Tyranid, CSM, Deathwing, Sisters. Sorry guys for bringing the cheeze.

Hahahaha, my teams 5 armies are all in the top 7. Grey knights, Necrons, Space wolves, Dark eldar, and Orks. Hopefully we manage to go even.

So billards bar? I'd be down with that.

^Agreed

Sat. would work best no? As some people may be in late Fri

I will be in fairly early Friday, but am willing to go both days.

There is also OK MAGUAY Mexican restaurant with beer on tap in the mall.
They will be offering $5 lunch specials for Saturday too.



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Willie - Thanks for the Restaurant List
Here is another one with a couple more things and some directions as well!

Bars & Restaurants within a mile of Bradley Square Mall
OK Maguay Mexican Restaurant (inside mall)
Chilis 385 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN (across street)
Panera Bread 385 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN (across street)
Applebees 168 Paul Huff Parkway Northwest Cleveland, TN (in Mall parking lot)
O'Charleys 148 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN (in Mall parking lot)
Steak N Shake (in Mall parking lot)
Outback 536 Sgt Paul B Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN (take a right out of mall, quarter mile on right)
Buffalo Wild Wings 625 Paul Huff Parkway Cleveland, TN (take a right out of mall, half mile on left)
Aubrys (also a fave of mine, has a separate bar from dining area) 275 Ocoee Crossing Northwest Cleveland, TN (left out of mall parking lot, right at red light 4-way intersection, 1.5 miles, will be on left behind Chik Fil A)
Logans 3940 Keith Street Northwest Cleveland, TN (left out of mall parking lot, right at red light 4-way intersection, 1.5 miles, will be on left)

Non Franchise good eats in Cleveland
Jenkins Deli 88 Mouse Creek Road Northwest Cleveland, TN (5 mins away)
TakoYaki 172 Old Mouse Creek Rd NW Cleveland, TN (5 mins away)
Yummy! 919 25th Street Northwest Cleveland, TN (10 mins away)
Monterrey Mexican Restaurant 3055 Keith Street Northwest Cleveland, TN (10 mins away)
Bald Headed Bistro 201 Keith Street Southwest Cleveland, TN (15 mins away)
Jordan's Bar-B-Q 910 Stuart Rd Cleveland, TN (10 mins away)
Gabriel's Real Italian Pie 2625 Keith St Cleveland, TN (10 mins away)
Fulin's Asian Cuisine 4478 Frontage Rd NW Cleveland, TN(10 mins away)



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I have a team who needs a player, who wants the spot?

It was the night before ATC and not a creature was stirring...not even a mouse...

Loads of fun everyone! Thank you for the great 5 games and tournament. Also did anyone catch the website that was said that would have the ranks of battle points and jazz?

The sight is; www.whatc.org. Should be up tomorrow.

Everything was great, till someones fluids were leaking from a sore. Sat around and talked rumour mill with visting teams, established a team from Cali was the farthest out but someone from Switzerland was present. Many spectacular conversions, I believe the Guard army dressed up like a World War I army complete with Krieg models was bar none the best. The trophies though are spectacular devices, especially Numero Uno's.

BunkerBob wrote:Everything was great, till someones fluids were leaking from a sore. Sat around and talked rumour mill with visting teams, established a team from Cali was the farthest out but someone from Switzerland was present. Many spectacular conversions, I believe the Guard army dressed up like a World War I army complete with Krieg models was bar none the best. The trophies though are spectacular devices, especially Numero Uno's.

I think I remember that one. If it was the ones with the mountains in the back ground I do then. That was one of the ones I thought was neat. The guy did a really good job on his display board, it was def a top board IMO. I saw one army that had the best looking blood angels scheme AND painted army or miniature I have ever seen in my life. The fellow did not enter into the painting competition out of respect for others and his awesome integrity. I have so much respect for the guy, and I also had the greatest privilege of my warhammer career by playing against the army. Not only was the guy really nice and humble, it was one of the best games played for me because of the precious models on the table.



Also thank you for the website addy I heard the ATC.org part but the WH blended into the rest of the commotion going on in the area.

Kal-El wrote: I saw one army that had the best looking blood angels scheme AND painted army or miniature I have ever seen in my life. The fellow did not enter into the painting competition out of respect for others and his awesome integrity. I have so much respect for the guy, and I also had the greatest privilege of my warhammer career by playing against the army. Not only was the guy really nice and humble, it was one of the best games played for me because of the precious models on the table.



Also thank you for the website addy I heard the ATC.org part but the WH blended into the rest of the commotion going on in the area.

Kal-El, you can see more of Steve's army here: http://wappellious.blogspot.com/search/label/Blood%20Angels%20-%20Warhammer%2040k

BunkerBob wrote:Everything was great, till someones fluids were leaking from a sore.

I played after that guy round 2, and basically paced back and forth on top of those fluids for 2 hours.

It's pretty disgusting, but I hope that whatever has given his feet leaking sores gets cured. Poor guy.

Great Team Tourney, had a blast.

Eidolon wrote:

BunkerBob wrote:Everything was great, till someones fluids were leaking from a sore.

I played after that guy round 2, and basically paced back and forth on top of those fluids for 2 hours.

It's pretty disgusting, but I hope that whatever has given his feet leaking sores gets cured. Poor guy.

That guy was on my team...sigh...gotta love being a throw in...
I hope the guy was ok, we had to forfeit in the 4th round =[ no big deal though had a GREAT time!

Eidolon wrote:

BunkerBob wrote:Everything was great, till someones fluids were leaking from a sore.

I played after that guy round 2, and basically paced back and forth on top of those fluids for 2 hours.

It's pretty disgusting, but I hope that whatever has given his feet leaking sores gets cured. Poor guy.

WTF??!!! Seriously?

SlaveToDorkness wrote:

Eidolon wrote:

BunkerBob wrote:Everything was great, till someones fluids were leaking from a sore.

I played after that guy round 2, and basically paced back and forth on top of those fluids for 2 hours.

It's pretty disgusting, but I hope that whatever has given his feet leaking sores gets cured. Poor guy.

WTF??!!! Seriously?

yeah, my team was on the same set of tables for 3 rounds. So I played on the table next to him round 1, and then on his table round 2. Went for food, came back and it was cleaned up. $100 shoes walking around in that.

Kel-El (Tony) had the best looking army without a doubt. Glad he won best paint. i hope to see a picture of my finished missile launcher guy after he gets done changing him into a Space Wolf from a Blood Angel!

Also, I'm gonna jump on the band wagon of how this tournament was the most fun I've ever been to. There was almost 0 douchbaggery. The fact that you're even there means there are 4 other guys who don't hate you and that they'd want to hang out with you for a weekend. This cuts down on jerks.
(except the wrecking bols team with the magic reserve dice and firing Mantacores 7 times.... woops)

All in all I can't wait for next year.... Really a great tournament.

Going to go ahead and chime in that this was quite possibly my most enjoyable tournament experience to date. NOVA is awesome in its own regard but the fact that there is so much variety, commraderie and fun to be had puts this event at the top of must attend if you're in the Southeast.

monolythic wrote:Kel-El (Tony) had the best looking army without a doubt. Glad he won best paint. i hope to see a picture of my finished missile launcher guy after he gets done changing him into a Space Wolf from a Blood Angel!

Also, I'm gonna jump on the band wagon of how this tournament was the most fun I've ever been to. There was almost 0 douchbaggery. The fact that you're even there means there are 4 other guys who don't hate you and that they'd want to hang out with you for a weekend. This cuts down on jerks.
(except the wrecking bols team with the magic reserve dice and firing Mantacores 7 times.... woops)

All in all I can't wait for next year.... Really a great tournament.

Hey Andrew! It was a pleasure playing you. I was way over agressive on my strat against you...overlooked Mesphipon or w/e his name is lol on the right side of the board. Yeah the tournament was really good, no jerks in my games! I am prob going to take a couple of weaks off from painting since I painted as a full time job 6 days a week for 5 months lol. The guy you replaced actually turned up later at the tournament and is in my possession. So because of your generosity PM me your address, and I will paint the guy in a Blood Angels theme for you and return him to you. (unless you want him as is.)

Also thank you for your comment about the best looking army!! I don't want to take any credit from the guy that won best painted - the DE army. I got the Best Painting Theme, but they are pretty much the same imo. Thank you again.

Garron wrote:[It's pretty disgusting, but I hope that whatever has given his feet leaking sores gets cured. Poor guy.

What was leaking?? What color? There was actual puddles? I wore flip flops lol guess I need to put sneakers on from now on lol.

asmodai650 wrote:

Kal-El wrote: I saw one army that had the best looking blood angels scheme AND painted army or miniature I have ever seen in my life. The fellow did not enter into the painting competition out of respect for others and his awesome integrity. I have so much respect for the guy, and I also had the greatest privilege of my warhammer career by playing against the army. Not only was the guy really nice and humble, it was one of the best games played for me because of the precious models on the table.



Also thank you for the website addy I heard the ATC.org part but the WH blended into the rest of the commotion going on in the area.

Kal-El, you can see more of Steve's army here: http://wappellious.blogspot.com/search/label/Blood%20Angels%20-%20Warhammer%2040k

Sweet! Thank you!! I amin love with his army rofl.



Also if anyone finds the pictures of the tournament I would love to see them! I know there are some armies I did not get to look at and this is the best way!! Also standing are up on whatc.org. I ended up with 85 points not 125 - its amazing what happens when your sleepy, distracted, punching numbers on a calculator restarting 5 times because someone is talking to you, and forgetting to hit clear... LOL

Have to say Kal-el that Wolves army was PHENOMENAL!! I think after I finished my game against the guy on your team playing the Nightscythe army, I spent a good 20 minutes staring at your miniatures on the table against monolythic.

As for Steve's army, it was one of the most gorgeous things I have seen in a long time. I had to opportunity to play him and I would say it was a blast but man did he end up with a raw deal. He dropped in a 10 Man Assault Squad, blew up a Razorback without injuring the occupants but ended up killing 3 of his own models and they proceeded to Fall Back off of the table...

Pretty impressed with my Standing personally being around 39 or something...didn't think I had done that well!

The medical concern in question was part of apparently a thyroid condition and is called weeping. It's not contagious or infectious or even truly harmful (doesn't make it unnerving though.) The guy was in the hospital on day two so best of luck to him. Anyway...

The event was an absolute blast. Even better than last year (with A/C this time!) I really enjoyed playing all my opponents and even got to play a different army every round!

@Garron: Which one where you? we played you guys round 5. I was the Dark Eldar from Karmic Justice, just putting names with faces.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:Have to say Kal-el that Wolves army was PHENOMENAL!! I think after I finished my game against the guy on your team playing the Nightscythe army, I spent a good 20 minutes staring at your miniatures on the table against monolythic.

As for Steve's army, it was one of the most gorgeous things I have seen in a long time. I had to opportunity to play him and I would say it was a blast but man did he end up with a raw deal. He dropped in a 10 Man Assault Squad, blew up a Razorback without injuring the occupants but ended up killing 3 of his own models and they proceeded to Fall Back off of the table...

Pretty impressed with my Standing personally being around 39 or something...didn't think I had done that well!

LOL thank you! Yeah Steves army was fun to play but I hated shooting his guys and killing them...I would have rather have let him keep them on the table lol. I went to the linked website to look at his army again...so awesome. I am striving to get mine to look like his. O and thank you to the person that found the ML guy on the ground and gave him back.

Holy crap I was 6th!? Never would have imagined getting placed that high..... Great games all around.

Omega_Warlord wrote:The medical concern in question was part of apparently a thyroid condition and is called weeping. It's not contagious or infectious or even truly harmful (doesn't make it unnerving though.) The guy was in the hospital on day two so best of luck to him. Anyway...

The event was an absolute blast. Even better than last year (with A/C this time!) I really enjoyed playing all my opponents and even got to play a different army every round!

@Garron: Which one where you? we played you guys round 5. I was the Dark Eldar from Karmic Justice, just putting names with faces.

Thank you for the clarification and I too wish the guy best of luck. Thyroid stuff is no joke.

Yeah, I have a big issue playing against armies with Fantastic Paint Jobs as my army is about as stunning as a blank page for the most part. Each time my opponent loses a model I have to control myself from apologizing vehemently.

I knew it was going to come down to your SW and that DE army that was so amazing. Glad you got best theme though. That display was awesome, and good work with all the LEDs in that thing. I was the SW player next to you in the last round wishing my army looked that good. I am glad to hear your long fang turned up. Also props to the Ogre converted Nurgle demons army I played in round 3. That was one of the best conversion armies I have seen. The counts as Epidemus mounted model he used was the tits.

Amazing armies aside it was a great tournament, with great organizers, that ran as smoothly as anyone could have hoped for a tourney that size to run. I am definitely looking forward to next year.

Eh... found an error on the round based prizes.

For those not in the know, whichever team won a round (most battle points), that team got a battle force. Nice deal, except for round 4, which was sponsored by Warpath, that team got Warpath stuff.

Shane had Karmic Justice (my team) winning round 4, but we actually won round 5. Doesn't bother me (didn't plan on winning anything) but some guys on my team are kinda upset as they don't want and don't care about Warpath, but would have loved the GW battle forces. Eh... to each their own. I actually really like my new Ork (Marauders) army.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

To be honest I never post anything on forums since complaining online doesn't fix anything. I am 100% a lurker when it comes to online chatting but I feel the need to get this off my chest.

I just had to vent my frustration with one team we had the unfortunate experiences playing. The Jack Booted guys from Chicago where absolutely there to win at all costs. I understand that it is a tournament but the sheer level of douchbaggery did not go unnoticed. I hate to blame the whole team since not everyone had a bad experience playing them from our team but there Guard and Blood angel payers where almost unbearable.

Day two I over watched some of their games and saw the same attitude issues and on top of that I caught their space wolf player cheating with dice pick ups!! I couldn't believe it. I was glad that they did not win the event. I think their Ork player won best general but he seemed to be the best out of the bunch so congrats to him. He should get a new group to play with.

I am not sure if anyone else had a similar experience maybe it was just that round?

monolythic wrote:Also, I'm gonna jump on the band wagon of how this tournament was the most fun I've ever been to. There was almost 0 douchbaggery. The fact that you're even there means there are 4 other guys who don't hate you and that they'd want to hang out with you for a weekend. This cuts down on jerks.

Guess you missed out on playing that team!

Kal-El wrote:The guy you replaced actually turned up later at the tournament and is in my possession. So because of your generosity PM me your address, and I will paint the guy in a Blood Angels theme for you and return him to you. (unless you want him as is.)

Were you the one who was missing the Space Wolves figure?

Kal-El wrote:Also if anyone finds the pictures of the tournament I would love to see them! I know there are some armies I did not get to look at and this is the best way!! Also standing are up on whatc.org. I ended up with 85 points not 125 - its amazing what happens when your sleepy, distracted, punching numbers on a calculator restarting 5 times because someone is talking to you, and forgetting to hit clear... LOL

I think the photos will be up shortly. They took a LOT of photos so I imagine they are going to go through them all before posting!

As far as the scoring, the software that Rob designed would flag us if any of the numbers we entered didn't match up, so that 125 you put down got changed to 85

They took a lot of photos

They really did. I felt like every game I played I was always getting photographed. My army DOES NOT look anything close to good, but there were some great moments.... can't wait for the photos.

160 Players, 32 teams, 15 hours of games and a great weekend!
Thank you to everyone who came out!
If you don't know yet, Standings and other info can be found at:
www.whatc.org

Ed (the guy with the medical problems) was admitted to the hospital on Saturday afternoon, but is on his way home today. e apologize and he Ed also apologizes for any inconvenience that it caused. Bu the main thing is that he is doing well.

Pictures will be coming this week and next with videos as well. Over 1600 pics to process!

As far as sports, cheating, and other issues go, it is always important to let us know AT the event vs after, but regardless any issues brought to our attention will be addressed and all that have been made know to us so far have been addressed at this time.

We had a great time hosting the event and getting to meet and make new friends and see old friends as well. We are already planning new scoring/pairing systems, some Awesome web and email features, a location closer to international airport and many more things for the year to come! - Stay Tuned to the website and Facebook page for info!

And again, thank you all for making this event one of the best events in the states!




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And Tony's Award for Theme was Best Paint and Theme so its like Best Painted Plus!

Really glad to hear that he's doing better, he looked to be in rough shape.

Already making plans for next year and trying to get a better team theme going on...mark my words, The Awesome I-20 Ninjas will be back with a Vengeance!

Kaotik wrote:I knew it was going to come down to your SW and that DE army that was so amazing. Glad you got best theme though. That display was awesome, and good work with all the LEDs in that thing. I was the SW player next to you in the last round wishing my army looked that good. I am glad to hear your long fang turned up. Also props to the Ogre converted Nurgle demons army I played in round 3. That was one of the best conversion armies I have seen. The counts as Epidemus mounted model he used was the tits.

Amazing armies aside it was a great tournament, with great organizers, that ran as smoothly as anyone could have hoped for a tourney that size to run. I am definitely looking forward to next year.

Thank you very much! I remember you - I was looking at your guys as well and I really liked the colors you used on them.

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Kal-El wrote:The guy you replaced actually turned up later at the tournament and is in my possession. So because of your generosity PM me your address, and I will paint the guy in a Blood Angels theme for you and return him to you. (unless you want him as is.)

Were you the one who was missing the Space Wolves figure?

Kal-El wrote:Also if anyone finds the pictures of the tournament I would love to see them! I know there are some armies I did not get to look at and this is the best way!! Also standing are up on whatc.org. I ended up with 85 points not 125 - its amazing what happens when your sleepy, distracted, punching numbers on a calculator restarting 5 times because someone is talking to you, and forgetting to hit clear... LOL

I think the photos will be up shortly. They took a LOT of photos so I imagine they are going to go through them all before posting!

As far as the scoring, the software that Rob designed would flag us if any of the numbers we entered didn't match up, so that 125 you put down got changed to 85

Yeah I was the one - was found on the floor and returned. Prob knocked or something in the close proximity of everyone...no shoe damage! lol I was so sick to my stomach because I spent $80 on the ML bits and did no thave any at home to make a new one.

Cool I am glad the system caught it. I did not even realize it until today when I looked at the scores and I readded the points again in a room with no one in it lol. Seriously I had to restart adding 5 times on the calc because people were talking to me lol and would forget where I left off on the adding...I mean how hard is 5 numbers and one was a 5 and one was a 0 rofl. Forgot to hit clear and was glad I got through all 5 numbers lol.

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And Tony's Award for Theme was Best Paint and Theme so its like Best Painted Plus!

That makes me even happier to hear that! Thank you!

Kal-El wrote:Cool I am glad the system caught it. I did not even realize it until today when I looked at the scores and I readded the points again in a room with no one in it lol. Seriously I had to restart adding 5 times on the calc because people were talking to me lol and would forget where I left off on the adding...I mean how hard is 5 numbers and one was a 5 and one was a 0 rofl. Forgot to hit clear and was glad I got through all 5 numbers lol.

Well, you weren't the only one, and that includes us putting in the numbers! That is why those safeguards are there. Maybe next year each team should have a co-captain that can double check everything and make sure all of the columns are filled out, including peoples names!!

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Kal-El wrote:Cool I am glad the system caught it. I did not even realize it until today when I looked at the scores and I readded the points again in a room with no one in it lol. Seriously I had to restart adding 5 times on the calc because people were talking to me lol and would forget where I left off on the adding...I mean how hard is 5 numbers and one was a 5 and one was a 0 rofl. Forgot to hit clear and was glad I got through all 5 numbers lol.

Well, you weren't the only one, and that includes us putting in the numbers! That is why those safeguards are there. Maybe next year each team should have a co-captain that can double check everything and make sure all of the columns are filled out, including peoples names!!

I guess we can all be a little special at times lol. Just ask anyone I played when it came time to do a scatter template. It appears that every time I pick up a scatter dice and 2 D6 I instantly get stupid and can't subtract the result buy 4. I think it is how my bRain registers the dice as 2 numbers that I'm trying to subtract buy four but think what my bs skill is but get messed up because I hit on 3... Nvm see lol also I wanna say thank you to the judges- you guys did a great job on all the cases I needed yOur opinion, I love learning.

Hey peoples. Like Kramer I am more of a lurker since getting into internet flame matches was a waste of my time, and so now I just read and troll the blogosphere. Also like Kramer I have to agree with his sentiment on one particular team and feel that something should be voiced. I was on the road all of yesterday and during our trip I was ranting and fuming over the same team, my game and what I saw there. I am glad someone else posted about this before me because it curbed my defamatory flame into a rant. At least two of the Jack Booted Thugs were quite honestly astonishingly poor sportsmen. I understand the tournament argument, and the win-at-all-costs ideology, but there was no reason for the manner in which they conducted themselves during gameplay.

I played their guard player, and I have to say, it was one of the worst games I have ever played. He allegedly pulled some rather shady moves during the game I played against him and I didn’t realize it until after the game was over and I was bemoaning my experience to my teammates. They were rules I should have called him on, but I thought I knew them fairly well, apparently I did not. Now I am a very easy going person, some people told me that they would have given me fours or fives if possible on sportsmanship, and I get along with pretty much anybody, but this kid just had no desire to have a fun game, and didn’t engage me in any other way except wanting to kick my army’s ass.

Their blood angel player introduced himself as “Ok, now who wants to lose?” That was followed by frequent attempts at asshattery (which was caught each time) on one our team members during play. Issues regarding targeting and shooting, cover and the like were so blatant in most cases that when the judge came over to investigate the claim, he simply looked at the situation and ruled in favor of fairness within a few seconds, as if the question itself was foolish. For things as simple as distance, cover saves and line of sight, a judge had to be called over to their table four times, each time ruling in our favor. The player was being slightly ridiculous. Not to mention almost all of his army was barely partially painted and most was not painted or even primed. I will however say that by the end of the game, the two players were fine with each-other, but the shenanigans had left a lasting impression.

The space wolves player, I heard, was trying some old school dice rolling method: “Rolling-a-two-behind-terrain-and-telling-you-the-result-was-a-six” with one of the guys I talked to and played earlier at the event, but he clearly saw the roll on a few occasions and called him out on it. My teammate didn’t have anything incredibly bad to say about him but I don’t think he cared either way to comment as he didn’t experience anything horrible first hand.

Now this is conjecture, but I have to disagree with Kramer’s opinion about their Ork-player. I have played in a few tournaments over the years. Mostly singles a few doubles and this one. In my early ones (back in third ed) there were some events that had time limits imposed upon a player turn. People didn’t generally bring a bunch of Tyranid, Ork boy, or I.G. models in excess of sixty or seventy because it would put you at a disadvantage time-wise. This Ork player had well over a hundred-and-fifty models in his army. Taking into consideration the company he keeps, and how three of his games went (hearing from two other players that had played him, and the one that was on my team) it is my belief that he built a denial army that was by its very design slow to play. It is important to note that I am not saying he deliberately played as a staller, but that the impression was that his list by its very makeup was built to do so. This is legal, but seems to me like a douchey thing to do even more so than anything Grey Knights. I know there were other Ork armies there but I don’t know their makeups or anyone who played them.
I played on the table next to him, and from frequently looking over at it, they barely moved along in their turns and never even made it past half of turn four. With a mob of thirty boys, unless you are dealing out twenty-one-plus instant death attacks or have a huge amount of flamers you are not able to kill those units. It just seems too obvious a tactic to me that all they would have to do is pit him against armies that could not physically stop a unit of ork boys in two turns, and the players would then never get very far in a game for it to be a themed above the board list. Against our player, he took twenty-five minutes to deploy for a two and change hour game. Was he a nice guy? Sure, but it’s easy to be nice when you are winning every game because there aren’t enough turns to kill your models and you can easily dismiss any accusations by just pointing to the size of your army. He conducted himself rather well, and we’ll see how this pans out in sixth. I think turn limits would be a great thing to add to this kind of event considering what I witnessed and heard of.

As a side note, I think that prize support should have gone to the overall winner brackets and not to best-of-round wins (or as well as). I have never been to a tournament that the top two or three players or teams didn’t get some form of prize support in models, gift certs or cash. The message I took away here is that if your team trounces their opponents in every game getting an amazing amount of wins then they deserve more than the overall winners of a two day event. I am not sure (other than the skulls) what the BoLS team got, but 2nd through 5th received counters that everyone got a version of simply by showing up to the event. So I essentially paid $8 per counter, and we had to place in the top five to even get that.

In summation, I played a few good players, one really great one, and one person who should stop doing anything involving other human beings. I had a good time, even though it was exhausting, and our team placed, so I am happy with the event overall. It would have made it worth our while though would there have been some prize support for the actual winners as well, considering the amount the event must have cost, and what it cost for us to participate. I appreciate all the hard work done by the organizers, and I really do think that with an event as large as this, and with the amount of logistics involved in scoring between players and teams, that it was run rather smoothly. Thanks guys and gals for all the time and effort.

With regards to the prize support, I am going to have to throw in with Clan Company Captain.

While it was awesome to receive a Battleforce for being the Round Champions, I felt a little cheesy seeing the placing teams walking away with counters of some sort.

If anything, I would probably be willing to pay a little more for the event if it means more parity when it comes to Prize Support.

Hey guys, just touching base every few comments or so here...

The sports issues are being or have been dealt with and we strive hard to make sure that history does not repeat itself in these situations. Be careful to not let one or two players form your view of an entire group though please. Especially in an event where its several on a team. I know that many of the teams had players that barely knew each other before the event.

As far as prizes go, we honestly thought that at least the top 3 teams would have been teams that finished best overall at least one round during the event...but much to our surprise after rd 6 we were wrong...
In the future we will make sure there are at trophies and/or prize support guaranteed for the top 3-5 teams.
But if those trophies and the title of "Best Team in America" isnt enough of a prize, is adding a Battleforce going to really be the thing to make it "worth it"?

I don't really think a Battle Force would be Worth it so a valid point there.

Also, another Valid point on the battle force comment. Would I be mistaken in thinking that none of the top 5 teams received Round Champions after all?

I think that they meant 2nd through 5th place only getting tokens instead of battleforces (provided they didn't win a round), while some teams did poorly but won a round and walked away with a battleforce.

Looking at the spirit they were going in for the Champions, had a team really gone balls to the wall, you'd expect the top performing team to walk away with at least 2 Battle Boxes to come out on top.

Yeah it was crazy, we really thought that the top teams would win at least a round. But only Chicago Jack Booted Thugs walked away with battleforces. All the other teams that won rounds finished like 7th place or lower. Crazy LOL



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We really did feel bad that teams 2 and 3 didn't go home with something besides tokens.

Kevin from the Reapers here. Yeah, all the top teams where busy beating each other up. We got 4th and we played all three teams above us!

Ah the best laid plans of Ork and Men hehhehe

Goatboy from Wrecking BOLS here - as usual this was a great event. I had a lot of fun and we were lucky enough to get the win in the end. We got beaten up a lot in some of our match ups.

I was just happy to come home with a Skull. I know a Battleforce would have been nice but do I really need another one? I think spreading out the prizes is the best thing to come to events lately as everyone walks away feeling like they got something.

Shane I had a great weekend and look forward to what 6th brings to this event next year. A big thanks to Paul for putting me up and driving my stanky ass to the event. A big 80's high five to Casey for helping us win. Rob and Kenny were also great as well.

I was happy to hang out with people I don't get to see all the time and meet a bunch of other players. It's the chance to meet up with people that really makes these events for me.

Thanks again Shane and hope to see you next year so our team gets a chance to 3 peat.

(And truthfully I just wanted that skull trophy more then anything else heh - it goes with my Shield from last year and the big metal Hammer from Adepticon a few years ago).

year one we handed out prizes based on top players and this time we didnt which was a mistake on our part thinking they would be the top players anyway. Next time we have decided to go a different route which is the best of both worlds. We will do trophies as before and also Battle Force to each team member in the top three teams. each round we will also do the medium sized GW boxes (terminators, command barges, etc...) for the top scoring teams each round. So each team member each round that is from the top scoring team will choose from them.

I apologize for any issues that may have come up during the event. We are working on fixing any of these for the next and future events.

please feel free to send any concerns and or suggestions to improve the event to either shane or i.

chris@grandadventurescomics.com



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The tokens werent meant to be a prize per se. The Battleforces and trophies along with saying your the top team was the real prize. We just made the mistake of thinking the top teams would win rounds to get prizes but as stated above it will no longer be the way we do it.

Kenny here from wrekingBOLS
It was an awesome event, i enjoyed all my games and had a blast. seems like a strength of schedule mechanic would be awesome! We played some some great teams!
Blade N Bolter(my personal friend Aldonis and his club mates)
Codex Toledo (Greg Sparks , and our friendly rivals from Toledo)
Quality Control(Never met these guys but ...damn a serious match up)
Chicago Hot dogs(Allan Pajama pants and most of the kamikazes)

I really wish we got to play the "thugs" lolz
Great Opponents all weekend!

Next Level wrote:Kenny here from wrekingBOLS
Chicago Hot dogs(Alan Pajama pants and most of the kamikazes)

One game for vengance completed and there is one left to claim. Thats you Kenny.....

The Chicago Hotdogs had a great time down in Tenn for the big ATC. I definatly enjoy seeing friends from all over and getting in some great games in against the best of the best.

Teams we played where:

Front Armor 15
19th Company
BOLS Wrecking Crew
Blade and Bolter
Tony Kopach's Team (Not the correct name)
General's Staff

Reccomendation for next year:

1) Have team battle points score printed on the round parings each round. This way we all know where we stand.
2) I like the idea for prize support already voiced it was what I was going to reccommend.
3) I would like to see a 10 Codex Max next year with no duplicates of any kind. This would be interesting! So you have to decide what Codex's are main army picks and what codexes are just for Allies.
4) I would steer away from the raw Battle Point System: I like the ETC round winner system better. You could make it be 1 Pts for a team Win and 2 Points for a big team win so slaugther's are still rewarded but not as much. I think this would lead to better team dinamics and more tactical approaches. Otherwise I think the event just favors the team that obliterates everyone each match and it seems that is not the approach you guys want to take.
5) Great improvements and awesome trophies this year! I am looking forword to the third ATC event.

Thanks,
Alan Pajama Pants Bajramovic

am I the only one who thinks 9a-9p instead of 7-7 would have been better?

7-7 gets you out in time to find a restaurant, eat and sleep at a reasonable hour in my opinion but I have to say, 4 games a day is grueling either way.

I recognize the desire to get out early on sunday, but why not split the games 3-3

Personally, I'd rather get home a little later than be constantly rushing.

No complaints though. The ATC was awesome. I'll be back.

I'm down with splitting games to 3-3 as long as the venue allows it...they may have had to wrap up early due to the mall closing early.

To the guys that had a bad experience. I am really sorry you had those. The major thing we all have to remember is that there was 160 players there for the tournament. Of those 160 players it sounds like only a small handful of people had problems with someone. To me that is a huge success! I understand that you might have left with a bitter taste in your mouth over a few incidents, but please don't think the entire tournament was like that as most people had a lot of fun with their opponents.

As far as the Ork player that got 175/180 points - no matter how you look at it thats HUGE, and stalling does not seem like a tatic that would net him that many points...meaning he won KP's, got squads to the other side of the board to contest the base, and took the 3 objs, or contested 2 and held his. A lot of times people are often put into a cateogory with the company they keep, but that person may not be like the company at all. Another thing to consider is that he or their team may not be best buddies or what not. My team knew each other but we were not really good friends per say...as we don't hang out or anything and we are each our own player not like minded.

Again I am sorry that some people had bad results with their opponents, but don't throw the tournament under the bus because of that, and please don't automaticly assume that someone is like their "team" just because he is on said team esp when no one has anything bad to say about the player. I understand the frustration, but let the man enjoy his win because he almost played a perfect tournament and I feel like he deserves the trophy no matter the accusations based on his teammates.

The TO's and judges great job and I am looking forward to next year.

Kal-El wrote:To the guys that had a bad experience. I am really sorry you had those. The major thing we all have to remember is that there was 160 players there for the tournament. Of those 160 players it sounds like only a small handful of people had problems with someone. To me that is a huge success! I understand that you might have left with a bitter taste in your mouth over a few incidents, but please don't think the entire tournament was like that as most people had a lot of fun with their opponents.
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This is absolutely true. I only had issues with 1 out of the 5 people I played. And 2 of my games, against Andrew Oneal from Sons of Vulcan and Marc Parker of Wrecking Crew were absolutely fantastic, so its a good trade off.

Something to keep in mind, a lot of people come to GTs with unrealistic expectations, and as soon as something goes slightly wrong game 1, they feel the whole weekend has been ruined.

Tony - THanks for the comments!

We are working on hours for next year but we will always try to be wrapped up by 3:00 at the very latest on Sunday for those driving and flying back home.

Thanks again guys!



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Ok guys
ABout 600 Pictures are up from this year at

https://www.facebook.com/ATC40k

Check Them Out!

hahaah, yes, my pink marines are the top of the gallery!

Being a fellow Horde Ork player two years in a row at ATC, I can tell you that the ability and opportunity to slow play is there. I finished all of my games by turn 4 or 5 this year, and had no complaints that I know of; I had 193 models this year on the table.
Horde Ork is arguably a great army to use in the ATC format in the 5th. Especially with all the objectives, low KP and attrition. So it's not always a slow playing team tactic. I've been slow played by IG more than anything else, and it was not in the strategy to do that ever for our team.

Last year I had a really great time despite the amenities issues. I also had a great time despite a WAAC Internet Famous personality that I played the first round, and another 'modeling for advantage' player another round.

I now take pictures of where the objectives are at the beginning of the round, and I take pictures before 'game changing' situations are about to occur. This keeps everyone honest, even if they are already.

I also discuss my intentions with my opponent (and ask them theirs) at key times to help them insure they achieve what it is they think they can achieve, either through movement or shooting or assault. This helps in so many ways, one of which there's no (what I call) indecisive-Movement-gain. Another is the assumption of assault order of operations and capabilities. This conversation lets my opponent know that I'm ok with them winning, and/or capitalizing on any of my errors that they might be able to take advantage. I don't hand it to them, but if I ask, "So, what are you thinking tactically right now?" every time they have honestly answered, and that facilitates a great damn game, every time.

I also will never again, not call a judge over. From that point on I learned to scream "shenanigans", for any hint of shoddy cheating, whether intentional or not. And I'm talking about the guys who should know better, not the guys who obviously don't know the core game mechanics that truly come out to just talk and roll dice. I came much more prepared for crap players with a reason to impress their friends with winnings.

This year however, every single player I had the luxury of being paired against was a great sport, and competitive at the same time; I know, a shocker!
The event location, amenities, and terrain were all outstanding. It's an event everyone should get the chance to attend.

We wanted to win the Battleforces but missed out. We chose the wrong round to be good, ha! I understand the oddness of none of the top ranking teams getting the option for some loot, but if any of you skull winners wants to trade it for a Battleforce just let me know, I'll throw in and extra just for good measure.

-JBW (Ork Player) for lClAGE

Ok guys, New thread has been started for ATC 2013!
Consider this the last post for 2012!
Thanks again!
-Shane

Here's the link: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/487829.page