This particular Necron army had a big accident, while they were at their master control unit broke down while none of the Necrons awoken. Without Master Control unit all Scarabs, Tomb spiders and Wraths around the Tomb World stop working. Some parts of Tomb World got destroyed because of lack of maintenece, but large part of Tom World survived that.

Then in 41'st millennium an Inquisitor with Adeptus Mechanicus escort discover it. Knowing about the NEcron menace they prepared for ambushes and assaults - but none came. Only after some time they discovered that Tomb World systems were turn off and Necrons in deep sleep. Inquisitor saw an great opportunity, as well as Adeptus Mechanicus. They found master control unit and after several days broken into it. They repaired it and then they use it to reprogram all the Necrons in Tom World to think that Emperor of Mankind is their God and that they should bow before his servants and serve them without question until death. After doing that the Imperials wait.

The Necrons start awaking several days after that, as soon as they saw Inquisitor and Techpriests they bow before them and swear their loyalty to them. So this is my fluff for this Tom World. They allowed full access to AM to examine their tech and to try to implement them on Imperial ships. They are also helping Imperials in war when the help is most needed, somethimes even fighting other Necrons to save Human worlds.

So what do you think?

I'm sorry but.... no. The Adeptus Mechanicum couldn't reprogram Necrons at all. Necrons have the best technology in the galaxy. The Adeptus Mechanicum's main goal is to find old things that smarter past humans built and hopefully reverse engineer them. They wouldn't be able to figure out Necron tech.

Maybe non-imperial factions should stay...

The spelling...it makes my eyes bleed!

The plot! It makes my brain bleed!

No. Hell no. I'm all for "making your army's fluff your own" but...

/douses self in gasoline
/fwootwoosh!

Hell. No. Good god, how can you even consider this?

I've seen your responses to many a threads and all you ever spew is Imperial fanboyism, and you even bring it to the Necrons? This is just ridicoulus.

Sounds pretty flaky to me.

Perhaps it would be better if the Necron Warriors bowed to the Tech Priests right before they hacked them to pieces with their flayer axes.

Ad Mech has never shown the capacity to do something like that. Another vote for... (wait for it)...

....

NO

No.

It defies all manner of canon, rewrites numerous established paradigms, changes the tone and above all, everyone hates it.

Go for it, with my blessing.

Have the Admech used these Necrons to fight the Chaos Grey Knights?

Just Dave wrote:Have the Admech used these Necrons to fight the Chaos Grey Knights?

But about your fluff....

G. Whitenbeard wrote:Sounds pretty flaky to me.

Perhaps it would be better if the Necron Warriors bowed to the Tech Priests right before they hacked them to pieces with their flayer axes.

This.

Draigo on the other hand could reprogram a Necron Tomb with a swiss army knife in his cigarette break, with a hand bound to his back, after training a Tyranid hive to fetch the stick and follow simple commands of course

I don't know?... Hmm... What if you switched out the Inqusitor and the Adeptus Mechnaicus out with Blood Angels? It would be all like ''Hey brah long time no see'' & ''Yeah man! Wanna go kill some more nids?'' '' SURE!!''

It seems plausibel.

I think it would be more likely to have them simply wake up broken, and mistake some random techpriest for their lord or something like that.

I mean, this is the 40K universe we're talking about here. Orks fly ships without fuel, Space Marines eat flesh to gain the memories of those it belonged to, and building a tank the wrong way makes it possessed by warp entities. I can live with reprogrammed 'crons, and shame on you all for attacking anything but the lad's atrocious spelling and grammar.

This makes me want to cry.

The Ad Mech would never be able to reprogram Necrons, and even if they did it would be Heresy.

its 40k, crazy stuff happens, if you want this as your fluff go for it, but in the grand scale of the now (apparently) thousands of necron worlds... why the hell not, its your game man

Ostrakon wrote:I think it would be more likely to have them simply wake up broken, and mistake some random techpriest for their lord or something like that.

I mean, this is the 40K universe we're talking about here. Orks fly ships without fuel, Space Marines eat flesh to gain the memories of those it belonged to, and building a tank the wrong way makes it possessed by warp entities. I can live with reprogrammed 'crons, and shame on you all for attacking anything but the lad's atrocious spelling and grammar.

There are somethings that have to stay untouched...
Fallen GK, Female SM, and reprogrammed Necrons are a few of those things...
Also Coa's first language isn't English so attacking his spellng and grammar is kind of a cruel move...

purplefood wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:I think it would be more likely to have them simply wake up broken, and mistake some random techpriest for their lord or something like that.

I mean, this is the 40K universe we're talking about here. Orks fly ships without fuel, Space Marines eat flesh to gain the memories of those it belonged to, and building a tank the wrong way makes it possessed by warp entities. I can live with reprogrammed 'crons, and shame on you all for attacking anything but the lad's atrocious spelling and grammar.

There are somethings that have to stay untouched...
Fallen GK, Female SM, and reprogrammed Necrons are a few of those things...
Also Coa's first language isn't English so attacking his spellng and grammar is kind of a cruel move...

This is barely even untouched, though. AdMech cultists worshipping Necron tech, Necrons waking up horribly broken... granted, the "reprogramming" bit is odd, but hey, this gak only ever stays 'canon' for an edition anyway.

Ostrakon wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:I think it would be more likely to have them simply wake up broken, and mistake some random techpriest for their lord or something like that.

I mean, this is the 40K universe we're talking about here. Orks fly ships without fuel, Space Marines eat flesh to gain the memories of those it belonged to, and building a tank the wrong way makes it possessed by warp entities. I can live with reprogrammed 'crons, and shame on you all for attacking anything but the lad's atrocious spelling and grammar.

There are somethings that have to stay untouched...
Fallen GK, Female SM, and reprogrammed Necrons are a few of those things...
Also Coa's first language isn't English so attacking his spellng and grammar is kind of a cruel move...

This is barely even untouched, though. AdMech cultists worshipping Necron tech, Necrons waking up horribly broken... granted, the "reprogramming" bit is odd, but hey, this gak only ever stays 'canon' for an edition anyway.

Yeah and look how long it took Necrons to get this update...

I'd like to see the follow up to this where a tyranid spore is contained by an inquisitor and the inquisitor after many years of study, bio engineers some Tyranids who fight the enemies of the Emperor.

or maybe we can have some dark eldar who started a revolution on their home world and barely managed to escape its destruction and became agents of the imperium in exchange for asylum in the Imperium

or maybe some chaos marines who said sorry and maybe paid a fine and did some community service and were allowed to be space marines again

or maybe no, just no...

Deathly Angel wrote:The Ad Mech would never be able to reprogram Necrons, and even if they did it would be Heresy.

Do the Ad Mech even know how to spell "program"?

Arandmoor wrote:

Deathly Angel wrote:The Ad Mech would never be able to reprogram Necrons, and even if they did it would be Heresy.

Do the Ad Mech even know how to spell "program"?

The Ad Mech know what they are doing (kinda) it's just it is mired in tradition and ritual.
Read Titanicus. They are surprisingly competent when they are properly motivated...

gak, go for it.

Erm no.... just no.... it would be the same as let's say a new born child trying to build a fusion reactor from some duct tape and a bottle of wine.

Formosa wrote:its 40k, crazy stuff happens, if you want this as your fluff go for it, but in the grand scale of the now (apparently) thousands of necron worlds... why the hell not, its your game man

Millions my friend, the thousand worlds are just the world where the necrons are automatons because of an error, disaster, dead necron lords.

I'm personally am not keen on the Necrons supporting the false god. And even if they could re-program the Warriors the Lords are not re-programable machines. And looking at the limits of their ability to re-program humans, Servitors, I doubt they could reprogram a Necron VCR.

In my own fluff I'm sticking close the the new background. Their Tomb World was devastated long ago and many Tombs collapsed. So my Necrons all have a dirty look to them as if some have literally have to crawl out of their Tombs.

No necron reporogamming? I was thiking bout it myself. Dang.

purplefood wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:I think it would be more likely to have them simply wake up broken, and mistake some random techpriest for their lord or something like that.

I mean, this is the 40K universe we're talking about here. Orks fly ships without fuel, Space Marines eat flesh to gain the memories of those it belonged to, and building a tank the wrong way makes it possessed by warp entities. I can live with reprogrammed 'crons, and shame on you all for attacking anything but the lad's atrocious spelling and grammar.

There are somethings that have to stay untouched...
Fallen GK, Female SM, and reprogrammed Necrons are a few of those things...
Also Coa's first language isn't English so attacking his spellng and grammar is kind of a cruel move...

On the same topic, I was thinking about starting a Grey Knight successor chapter whose primarch is controlled by a Chaos Eldar Farseer and the Farseer's retinue of Warlocks disguise themselves in power armour to provide the psychers for the army. These Grey Knights are stationed on a Tau sept-world in utter secrecy in order to protect it from the oncoming horde of Tyranids, since the Farseer (whom is a Khorne worshipper) value their pseudo-democratic ideals.

In all seriousness, though:
No, you can't fault him for the grammar. Under the rules for the forum he's done what can be expected of a contributor here, in my opinion. As for fluff, it should be noted that Eldar are far superior humans, and the humans are unable to replicate Eldar technology and barely able to utilize it. As it stand the Eldar are overshadowed in a serious way by the Necrons, so for humans even to understand the Necrons enough alter, let alone control, them is not logical in the slightest. We don't even know if humans possess the correct mindset to even understand Necron technology - I mean for all we know it might require the ability to think in 5 or 6 dimensions, and even human savants struggle with 4 dimensions. (A by-product of being unable to think in multi-dimensions would be that what might be a verifiable logical cause-and-effect for the human programmers would end up doing something completely different than expected, and different again the next time the exact same steps are taken, leading to an environment where if they actually do succeed in altering the core programming, the end result would be unpredictable and downright dangerous.)

I dislike how every time someone asks if something is a good idea, you know, for feedback and criticism, there always has to be people who say, no matter how bad an idea is, "hey man, it's your game, you can do whatever you want, it's a big galaxy. Anyone who says you should is just a dumb no fun badnik"

YES WE KNOW THAT! But they are asking for feedback and criticism! They want to know what kind of reception they are going to get if they go through with it. Some ideas ARE bad, and it does not help anyone to just say "LOL, do whatever you want". Criticism is helpful as long as it isn't mean spirited, and when someone is SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR IT you are just wasting everyone's time by saying criticism is bad.

That being said:
Yeah, bad idea OP. Obviously you can do it if you want, but it just comes off with a mary sue-ish vibe (e.g. I get the same feeling reading it as I do when reading the backstory of bad mary sues). A consistent theme of the Necrons is the ad-mechs inability to comprehend them. It is like a roman legionarre coming across a modern military computer and "reprogramming" it.

As you may have noticed, you are likely to get negative reactions from just about any player you run in to.

It's nice to see Brother Coa's fanboyism completely and utterly demolished in this thread.

My 2 cents, it's a ridiculously dumb idea. It is completely out of the realm of possibility. No member of the Imperium of Mankind could ever reverse engineer Necron tech, not even the God Emperor himself.

It defies all manner of canon, rewrites numerous established paradigms, changes the tone and above all, everyone hates it.

Go for it, with my blessing.

Sigged if I may

Almost feels like someone hacked Brother Coa's account and is sending him up...

If you want some 'crons to be pro-Imperial, or pro-human, couldn't you just have a lord who decided, for whatever reason, to ally himself with the Imperium? Necrons have personality now, there's no reason one of them couldn't see an advantage to allying himself with Imperial forces. Of course, the Inquisition isn't going to be keen on it.

It has a similar plot device that Independance day had.

Jeff Guldblum "I just hope that the aliens use the same OS as we do....they do!"

Who writes an intergalatic computer virus?!

ZombieJoe wrote:It has a similar plot device that Independance day had.

Jeff Guldblum "I just hope that the aliens use the same OS as we do....they do!"

Who writes an intergalatic computer virus?!

Apparently Jeff Goldblum

Ratius wrote:

It defies all manner of canon, rewrites numerous established paradigms, changes the tone and above all, everyone hates it.

Go for it, with my blessing.

Sigged if I may

You may.

ZombieJoe wrote:It has a similar plot device that Independance day had.

Jeff Guldblum "I just hope that the aliens use the same OS as we do....they do!"

Who writes an intergalatic computer virus?!

Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich.

One possibility is that while the Necron mind is not a "program" per se, their mechanical bodies do require such programming to interpret their mental impulses and function accordingly. In which case, while it would still be a stretch, an AdMech might be able to tamper with those functions, getting jerky control of the body while the mind remains trapped and cut off from that body.

It depends on whether you see the Necrons as being actual robots or golems made of necrodermis, I guess.

The idea about a Necron Lord offering a conditional alliance or other agreement resulting in his warriors fighting for Imperials would work, too.

King Pariah wrote:

ZombieJoe wrote:It has a similar plot device that Independance day had.

Jeff Guldblum "I just hope that the aliens use the same OS as we do....they do!"

Who writes an intergalatic computer virus?!

Apparently Jeff Goldblum

A chilling argument against universal adoption.

Or possibly a cheap knock off of H. G. Wells' idea, modernised in a ham-fisted way. Who can say?

Wow, so much reply...thank you all for your comments and I must say tyhat even if many of you disagree with this story - GW said that every Tomb World can have it's story since there are millions of them.

Since we already saw that Necrons who lost their "sense" can be reprogrammed to serve another purpose AM reprogramming can be a possibility. I am also sad because a ton of you think that a race that can decifer alien languges and theiur tech, build stuff like teleporters and Titans and Battleships can do a simple programming. Their language is basically a binar language on witch our computer systems and program language are based so I may say that if they excel in one thing that must be programming.


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purplefood wrote:
Also Coa's first language isn't English so attacking his spellng and grammar is kind of a cruel move...

Thank you purplefood, aldo English is somewhat easy to me I am mixing my and English grammar when writing. And since those 2 grammars are like comparing French and Chinese, things may be logical to me but totally different for you.
Thanks again for understanding.

Brother Coa wrote:Wow, so much reply...thank you all for your comments and I must say tyhat even if many of you disagree with this story - GW said that every Tomb World can have it's story since there are millions of them.

Since we already saw that Necrons who lost their "sense" can be reprogrammed to serve another purpose AM reprogramming can be a possibility. I am also sad because a ton of you think that a race that can decifer alien languges and theiur tech, build stuff like teleporters and Titans and Battleships can do a simple programming. Their language is basically a binar language on witch our computer systems and program language are based so I may say that if they excel in one thing that must be programming.

Their language is no way binary. The glyphs should show that. The only case of them using binary was when communicating with the Imperium in Damnos. Those Necrons who were reprogrammed were reprogrammed by a Necron supercomputer, millions of years more advanced than the stagnant AM technology. Fluff wise, Titans and Battleships and Teleporters are less advanced than a Necron construct, because even a basic warrior has a more advanced teleporter built in than that available to Astartes terminators.

The AM has frequently been baffled by the workings of Necron technology, even going so far as to say Necron guns are an impossibility. If they can't understand Necron weaponry, I highly doubt they could understand the engrams of Necron living metal bodies. Even the Necrons are incapable of properly repairing damaged engrams, AM don't stand a chance of reprogramming them.

Brother Coa wrote:I am also sad because a ton of you think that a race that can decifer alien languges and theiur tech, build stuff like teleporters and Titans and Battleships can do a simple programming. Their language is basically a binar language on witch our computer systems and program language are based so I may say that if they excel in one thing that must be programming.

Now I will never tell you you can't do anything, there is room for everything in 40k, and no piece of canon is iron clad. You want your scout seargent to overthrow khorn, nurgle, tzenich, and marry slaanesh as the new king of chaos, I would never say no.

That being said, I'm assuming you are posting for feedback because you want feedback. So here's the feedback (note this is mostly just musings in the hopes of edifying people about some of their assumptions about technology):
So...I'm a Software Engineer by profession...and you are just way off here. Firstly, we have no reason to believe they use binary, and in my professional opinion, I really doubt they would. At their tech level some sort of quantum bit would make much more sense, if they are even still functioning on the bit paradigm, which is by no means certain.

Secondly, even if they are using binary, binary isn't a language, it's a representation. No one "understands" binary anymore than anyone "understands" sound, or alphabet. Binary is just a possible way to represent a way to express logical constructs, e.g. a programming language. It is used so often in our worlds a) because it is easy to represent in electronics and b) because it works well with simple AND, OR, and NOT operations, which are also easy to represent in electronics.

It isn't always possible to "reverse engineer" a language. Egyptian, for example, was considered lost until the Rosetta stone was found providing a translation to already known languages. And Egyption was still operating off of a human mindset with (reletively modern) human assumptions. The language of an alien race millions of years more advanced than us may very well be unparsable. And computer languages are an order of magnitude more difficult to comprehend then physical languages. The fact that the Necrons don't even fully understand, and cannot repair their OWN programming goes to show how advanced it likely is.

Now Star Trek has given people the wrong impression of "reverse engineering". For the most part you can only reverse engineer something you are already fairly close to being able to develop, and even that can be very difficult. Imagine if a greek philospher or roman engineer found a computer. Could he reverse engineer it? No because there are just too many technological disciplines and cultural assumptions he lacks. Even someone from the 1800s would be unable to reverse engineer a computer. It would require someone with 1950's or 60's levels of technology.

That being said, reverse engineering is a common enough sci fi trope it is hard to fault anyone for using it. I'm just trying to illustrate that being good at programming (which the ad-mech isn't, they mostly use brains for their computers for exactly this reason) has nothing to do with being able to reprogram an advanced alien races robotic bodies.

Really, it just has the air of 'mary sue', of 'fanboy'. It violates a lot of established fluff at a very deep level, goes against the themes of 2 races, unfairly favors a faction that is already unfairly favored, downplays the strengths of another faction, and flies in the face of a lot of some fairly basic logic, so you are going to catch a lot of flak for that. That doesn't mean you can't do it.

Typically you can overcome things like this with excellent writing and modeling. Anything can be accepted if it is well written, stuff like this just raises the bar. Admittedly you may have raised the bar to empire state levels, but if you can do it you may well be the next William Shakespear.

Mostly, just have fun with it, but know you are going to get a lot of sideways glances and negative comments.

Thank you riplikash, your points really made some things clear.

You were right exept one thing:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lingua-technis#.TsVu8T0r27s they do use binary representation as hidden language.

And AM knows more then we are introduced with. Remember that they keep all of their knowledge a secret, and we only know small percent of what they truly know.

But you made your point, those 2 factions are meant to be enemies and not allies.

P.S. I am ashamed, I am student of Computer Science 3'rd year and I coudn't remember some basic things for binary code

Brother Coa wrote:Tom World <snip> So what do you think?

Sounds like an amusement park in a National Lampoon movie.

Necrons have a habit of killing their gods and breaking them up into pieces and placed in pocket dimensions.

This would be a good thing to happen to the Emperor.


Reverse engineering is a way over used trope.

Think about a mobile phone - if we went back to the 1980s when mobiles were first being produced and were the size of briefcases and gave them a HTC desire, could they replicate it? Highly doubtful due to the massive amount of research, time and so on and so forth. Hell even the materials used in such a device would be difficult to understand and close to impossible to replicate with tech of the time (EG: Gorilla glass).

Just to understand the necrons spoken/written language would take several lifetimes - and programming languages are barely even recognisable as english to non-programmers/computer geeks as it is.

I am sorry to say, but this is a terrible idea. If you want you could build a "iron men" army, and have them return to serve mankind once more. How open mankind would be to the cause of the downfall of the golden age is questionable however.

Brother Coa wrote:Wow, so much reply...thank you all for your comments and I must say tyhat even if many of you disagree with this story - GW said that every Tomb World can have it's story since there are millions of them.

Indeed, but you should actually stick your Tomb World in the 40k universe and the basic fluff of it. Your current fluff is in your own, twisted "40k" universe. Go with it if you really must, but do not be surprised when you get a gakload of refused games and negative comments.

Brother Coa wrote:GW said that every Tomb World can have it's story since there are millions of them.

GW said that every tomb world can have a different story, but not ANY story.
Don't GOTO-ize the 40k background please, or we make use of our 2++ WARD-save

G. Whitenbeard wrote:Sounds pretty flaky to me.

Perhaps it would be better if the Necron Warriors bowed to the Tech Priests right before they hacked them to pieces with their flayer axes.

now that's good fluff.

op: reprogramming a necron is way beyond those guys skills. admittedly it is interesting but i do not encourage necron hijacking stories

Instead of just saying NO!!!, I'm gonna try to help you out:

Go the other way


- Say your Necron Lord is a sneaky backstabber strategist of sorts.
- Ad-Mech retinue discovers tomb.
- Ad-Mech bows down to Intelligent Necron Lord only to be killed swiftly by him.
- Necron Lord uses the Ad-Mech's body (they are mostly mechanic so he can work with it) to create inflitrators
- Ad-Mech looking Necron agents slowly infiltrate local Ad-Mech hierarchy over a century or so.
- Local Ad-Mech cult is transformed into viewing the Necrons as something akin to Angels of the Machine God.
- Necron Lord shares some minor technologies to further spread his Necron-Ad-Mech to other forge worlds and keep tabs on the Imperium waiting for the time to strike.


There, you have Necrons and Ad-Mech working somewhat together with no huge lore-destruction.

Ad Mech don't really build any of the stuff the IoM uses, it's just a reliance on STC's really, which they did not make in the first place

Dakkadood wrote:Instead of just saying NO!!!, I'm gonna try to help you out:

Go the other way


- Say your Necron Lord is a sneaky backstabber strategist of sorts.
- Ad-Mech retinue discovers tomb.
- Ad-Mech bows down to Intelligent Necron Lord only to be killed swiftly by him.
- Necron Lord uses the Ad-Mech's body (they are mostly mechanic so he can work with it) to create inflitrators
- Ad-Mech looking Necron agents slowly infiltrate local Ad-Mech hierarchy over a century or so.
- Local Ad-Mech cult is transformed into viewing the Necrons as something akin to Angels of the Machine God.
- Necron Lord shares some minor technologies to further spread his Necron-Ad-Mech to other forge worlds and keep tabs on the Imperium waiting for the time to strike.


There, you have Necrons and Ad-Mech working somewhat together with no huge lore-destruction.

I don't think that he wants Necrons to be in charge. He is in IMPERIUM YEAH! Group.

No.

I think something along the lines of the command link broke and somehow a Deceiver shard was freed in the process and seen opportunity to re take control with this failure would be much more exciting. maybe his new goals would be to regain his other shards to remake himself whole again?


hey you know what. forget that I think I like this story for my own Necrons heheheheh

Necrons, with a pre-programmed hard on for the throne...
God allmighty i hate it... i really really do.

Kroothawk wrote:Draigo on the other hand could reprogram a Necron Tomb with a swiss army knife in his cigarette break, with a hand bound to his back, after training a Tyranid hive to fetch the stick and follow simple commands of course

If you want Necrons in the Imperium, this is the most believable course of action based on current codex fluff since Draigo can do no wrong. (Also would match the silver theme)

If it's just a simple matter to you to ally them, then yes, either Blood Angels or a "crazed" overlord with some sympathetic tendencies to humans would be a good second choice.

If neither appeals to you, then I would recommend a slight twist to the background. The Inquisitor, since he seems teamed up with the AM, has a good friend from Mars who knows a secret about a certain "dragon" trapped there. He gets in touch and with his friends help, they go in to the Tomb World, but instead of reprogramming or reverse engineering, they find the Master Control Program in a reset mode, awaiting new commands. Or something along those lines.

I'm not a big fan of this, but as also has been mentioned, it's your universe to play in as well.

If even one tomb world gave the mechanicus access to their tech it would literally change the entire 40k setting as the mechanicus would be changing all the imperial tech.

Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

It's your fluff Coa, if it makes you satisfied at the end of the day then who cares what anyone says dude. Personally, I can't see it happening with the Old Necrons, but the new Necrons seem to be way more accident prone with aging technology, so I'd say yeah, it could happen.

Coolyo294 wrote:No.

And there he is

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

yes a tomb world did it. does not mean that a tech priest with no prior knowledge can do the same. god your dense...

either accept that your theory is completely absurd or contend yourself with the fact that you dont need the nets approval to use your fanboy dream for your own steamy bedtime business.

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

I think you may have missed the part where the entity that actually took control over these non-sapient Necrons was a highly advanced Necron piece of technology. Your average Tech-priest is not going to be able to re-program a bunch of Necrons, because he wont understand a thing about them. The Mechanicus barely holds on to the vestiges of their own technology, let alone being able to grasp the technology of a race as advanced as the Necrons. So no, it can't happen.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

2random said this.

Brother Coa wrote:It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

You said this.

Read the bold parts.

Are you getting my point?

I'm honestly not bothered by people who want to stretch (Or, if it's amusing enough, demolish) canon for the sake of their armie's fluff, but acknowledge that from a fluff perspective, what you are suggesting couldn't happen. The Necrons, and their Tomb Worlds, wield technology that would make the God Emperor suffer from a brain aneurysm trying to understand. Random Tech Priest in the fluff can't reprogram Necrons.

riplikash wrote: It is like a roman legionarre coming across a modern military computer and "reprogramming" it.

Exactly! Anyone reprogramming Necrons is ludicrous. Considering that their "programming" IS the necrontyr as in people -sort of-. Not to mention we dont even know how Necron machinery -that which is truly machinery- communicates with each other. I mean what the Tech-priest do pull out his Iphone plug in to the nearest USB port and use the "Reprogram sentient beings" App? i dont think so.

tarnish wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Also, you can't reprogram sentient creatures, just because they have metal bodies.

It happened in New Necron codex. Tomb Msater Control computer took control over non-sentient Necron bodies. Then went to the next tomb world and did it again and again...
it is also stated they did that the same to the living creatures.... Borg of 41'st millennium.

Yes a tomb world did it, though that does not mean that a tech priest with no prior knowledge could do the same. God you're dense...

Either accept that your theory is completely absurd or content yourself with the fact that you don't need the internet's approval to use your fanboy dream for your own steamy bedtime business.

Corrected for grammar/spelling.

Shall I make it politically correct, as well as grammatically correct, or will that which had already been done suffice?


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NL_Cirrus wrote:

riplikash wrote: It is like a roman legionarre coming across a modern military computer and "reprogramming" it.

Exactly! Anyone reprogramming Necrons is ludicrous. Considering that their "programming" IS the necrontyr as in people -sort of-. Not to mention we dont even know how Necron machinery -that which is truly machinery- communicates with each other. I mean what the Tech-priest do pull out his Iphone plug in to the nearest USB port and use the "Reprogram sentient beings" App? i dont think so.

I laughed.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Shall I make it politically correct, as well as grammatically correct, or will that which had already been done suffice?

Thanks for the lesson in basic English, but i think this will do.
If you want a real challenge, try the first post.

tarnish wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Shall I make it politically correct, as well as grammatically correct, or will that which had already been done suffice?

Thanks for the lesson in basic English, but i think this will do.
If you want a real challenge, try the first post.

Correcting the grammar of Anglophones is a lot more fun than it is with foreigners. When it is a native language...it should be done correctly. Especially since I was able to correct it, and I am a francophone.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Correcting the grammar of Anglophones is a lot more fun than it is with foreigners. When it is a native language...it should be done correctly. Especially since I was able to correct it, and I am a francophone.

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

It's Ok Coa, you can buy some Necrons. No need to make up some crazy justification, we won't tell The Emperor.

Brother Coa wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Correcting the grammar of Anglophones is a lot more fun than it is with foreigners. When it is a native language...it should be done correctly. Especially since I was able to correct it, and I am a francophone.

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

You do know I was defending you?

And that English is my fourth language?

And that I am currently in the situation you describe?

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

You do know I was defending you?

And that English is my fourth language?

And that I am currently in the situation you describe?

true and true... but i can take it. i know my grammar sucks, but im not that bothered to be honest. atleast i try to proofread it before its off...

tarnish wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:

You do know this is an offence on national level?

Not everyone was born in US, Canada, UK or any other English speaking territory.

Please remember that because you may one day found yourself in the same situation like the rest of us - typing on second language and constantly checking the grammar.

Thanks.

You do know I was defending you?

And that English is my fourth language?

And that I am currently in the situation you describe?

true and true... but i can take it. i know my grammar sucks, but im not that bothered to be honest. atleast i try to proofread it before its off...

How about a compromise; you at least use caps and I will no longer correct your grammar.

I am sorry then im2randomghgh.

So Coa, are gonna go with your current fluff?

Why not. It is are full of holes, I know. But it is possible to happened.

It is your army and your fluff, but you've seen how people react to that. Also keep in mind all... well most of the feedback were civil, yet in real life most won't. So, if you gonna make a Necron army loyal to the Imperium, I suggest, either change the hacking thing, or make it unexplainable. You can simply go with:
"Necrons in this sector are helping Imperium for unknow reasons. Although higher echelons of Imperium still see them as a threat, for a regular Guardsman in the field, they are an unnerving blessing from the Almighty God-Emperor of Mankind. Still, up to this day, Necrons' intensions are yet to be known.".

I will consider it, thanks.

You should add some Deceiver's influence in this. It would make it more respectful of the 40k lore, I guess.

-that Radical Inquisitor and his Ad-Mech retinue find the tomb world, and eventually find the master command room. They try for days (weeks? months?) to understand the slightest thing to it. Of course, the Inquisitor would like to reprogram the necrons, even though he have no idea it's impossible (for them). [typical Radical behaviour]
-The Deceiver watch this and find it funny. He change himself into some Ad Mech guy and slightly reprogram the necrons (so they can obey to him).
The Inquisitor thinks he control them, but in fact he's the Deceiver's toy.

Buuut I still haven't read the new Necron fluff. Is the Deceiver still alive? and I guess necron lords and such could not be kinda reprogramed, right?

Imo, the Deceiver would be the only guy that could make it real.

answer to the fluff

though here's a question i want to ask you dakkaites (and dakkanauts): would it be possible, that the failures, that disabled all the canoptic droids, wouldn't affect the overlord? ie. he has recieved improved devices and self-sustaining systems, or is this simply stupid?

Crazygit: well, yes its not entirely impossible.

As for the admechs tech being compatible with the necrons, i could certainly see that. Since its possible for one of the necron special chars to "hack" any tank on the field, im guessing that the programming of the necrons can access almost anything, why not have one take on a admech persona by mechanically possessing his body? Would make for a nice concept for an admech army certainly, and make the whole Emperor fanclub a lot more believable.

In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

Lord_Vader wrote:In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

1.) No, you are misinformed. Nothing like that in Fall of Damnos. But I like the idea of a metal leg prostetic phasing out in the heat of battle
2.) Welding a metal construct to a body is not the same level of technology as reprogramming alien minds.

Lord_Vader wrote:In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

Nope....

LunaHound wrote:

here we go, evidence of necrons

If you want imperial 'crons, this might work:

It's said that there are numerous types of Necron tomb worlds, perhaps one can be a more blood thirsty type, with the leader staying where he is through his own martial prowess IE: He has to fight people looking to take his title.

Que in Inquisitor coming in to the dormant Tomb World as it's leaving dormancy. He defeats the Lord in combat, and the necrons see this, the bits about "leader is the one who wins" still being part of their programming/conscious, and they follow the Inquisitor, since he did infact win.

As far as I know, that follows canon decently well, though the Inquisitor would need to keep what he has under wraps.

Brother Coa wrote:Why not. It is are full of holes, I know. But it is possible to happened.

No. It is completely IMPOSSIBLE. Haven't you read the responses? You can't have read anything 40k-related if you think this could have happened.

His other idea are Imperial Daemons

Looking through the various theories and... point blank refusals you might be better served working from another direction rather than "imperials can control Necrons".

Why not have the overlord from a crippled/destroyed tomb world have hacked an ad-mech to control him previously and is using him/the inquisitor to try and steal warriors from sleeping tomb world in the same manner as one of the other Necron special characters (traveller I think?).

So as far as the inquisitor is concerned he has an admech that's hacking Necrons and putting them under his control. And as far as the overlord is concerned he's hacked an admech and its allowing him to travel unhindered through imperial space and raise his own army (and inevitably flay the inquisitor when he's ready).

It lets you keep the concept of Imperial ruled Necrons, but shows more their arrogance than just being "imperials are awesome"

Kroothawk wrote:His other idea are Imperial Daemons

..."BLOOD FOR THE CORPSE GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!!"

I'm doing it.

Pen≥Sword wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:His other idea are Imperial Daemons

..."BLOOD FOR THE CORPSE GOD!!! SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE!!"

I'm doing it.

Essentially they would be so anal that they suck everything in and theres no escape. All along reciting the imperial creed and punishing themselves.

Kroothawk wrote:

Lord_Vader wrote:In the Fall of Damnos, doesn't a marine use a dead Necron's arm to replace his own? Surely that shows some degree of compatible technology. Obviously not to the extent that the Ad Mech could reprogram an entire tomb world...

1.) No, you are misinformed. Nothing like that in Fall of Damnos. But I like the idea of a metal leg prostetic phasing out in the heat of battle
2.) Welding a metal construct to a body is not the same level of technology as reprogramming alien minds.

I thought it sounded fishy when I was told that
That's what I was saying, that would be the logical extent to technological compatibility (though not even that is true)

Sorry, but this idea is up there with chaos Grey Knights...just no.

Coolyo put it the best.

The main problem is the AdMechA would never even attempt something like this. It's in absolute violation of their highest and most immitable laws. Massive tech-heresy!
It's the equivilanet of a ecclesiarcal preacher pissing on the golden throne.

Cyrax wrote:It is your army and your fluff, but you've seen how people react to that. Also keep in mind all... well most of the feedback were civil, yet in real life most won't. So, if you gonna make a Necron army loyal to the Imperium, I suggest, either change the hacking thing, or make it unexplainable. You can simply go with:
"Necrons in this sector are helping Imperium for unknow reasons. Although higher echelons of Imperium still see them as a threat, for a regular Guardsman in the field, they are an unnerving blessing from the Almighty God-Emperor of Mankind. Still, up to this day, Necrons' intensions are yet to be known.".

And don't make them campaign alongside the Imperial forces, make them show up out of nowhere to help, sort of like the LotD or the Sanguinor.

Or then again... you could just drop it...

And the next time, you could fart in a place with no witnesses....