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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 12:26:50
Post by: BloodTzar
Is it possible that Tau had been corrupted by Chaos gods, and for example there you would have a chaos tau legion?
I mean it would be nice to play this as renegade guard with tau - chaosized models 
Moreover any other xeno species? Chaos eldar, ork , etc ???
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 12:32:00
Post by: Durza
Chaos Eldar used to exist, but they don't seem to any more. I believe a small group of Orks accidentally started worshipping Khorne once.
Chaos Tau is... possible, but highly unlikely.
And no, there would never be a Tau legion. That's marine talk.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 12:34:36
Post by: Chowderhead
Chaos Tau are impossible. They have no presence in the warp, thus, are incorruptible to the taint.
It also could deal with the Ethereal's pheromones.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 12:48:07
Post by: BloodTzar
So no warp presence means, only human kind can be be corrupted?
Eldar , dark eldar, bugs?
I am sorry i suck at fluff ~~
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 12:53:17
Post by: Space Crusader
No.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 14:15:54
Post by: Rented Tritium
They couldn't be tainted in the traditional manner because of no warp contact.
However, what if the theories about ethereals controlling the other races are true? You could have sort of a piggy back where a human or an eldar or something manages to reproduce or jack-into the tau mind control. Once a chaos tainted individual gains some sort of technological mind control over an ethereal, they just issue orders for chaos.
Now you have quasi-chaos tau.
A good writer could do it and it would be an awesome book.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 14:48:51
Post by: KingDeath
Chowderhead wrote:Chaos Tau are impossible. They have no presence in the warp, thus, are incorruptible to the taint.
It also could deal with the Ethereal's pheromones.
They have a presence in the warp, the Tau aren't blanks.
While the Eldar, like all psykers, shine brightly in the Sea of Souls and humans are perhaps a candle Tausouls would be more akin to a glowing bug but they still have a soul.
Why, as of yet, no Tau seem to have fallen prey to the Dark Gods is unknown. Perhaps it has something to do with their very strong ideology.
Just like truly devout humans are difficult to corrupt one could assume that the Tau, who truly seem to believe in the Greater Good, have a similar protection.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 14:50:08
Post by: Rented Tritium
Kingdeath, source? I recall reading that the tau LITERALLY did not have a warp presence at all and were utterly disconnected from it.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 14:56:50
Post by: nomotog
Tau do have a presence in the warp. It's small, but still there. I don't know why so many people think they are blanks? Tau can become influenced by chaos, but they really don't have a good working knowledge of the warp so they wouldn't call it chaos taint even if that's what it is. Some battlesuit pilots suffer from a mental condition that cause them to be aggressive and lust for blood, but they don't call is the dark influence of knorn. They can it battlesuit nerouseis
Some believe farsight is under chaos influence. The tau in the book FW (forget his name) comes under the influence of knorn. If you want to do chaos tau, try knorn.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 14:57:37
Post by: KingDeath
Rented Tritium wrote:Kingdeath, source? I recall reading that the tau LITERALLY did not have a warp presence at all and were utterly disconnected from it.
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Current codex tau empire, p6.
"...their minds barely even registering in the warp at all"
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 14:58:26
Post by: Rented Tritium
Aha, yeah so they theoretically COULD fall to chaos if they were weakened first or mind control was involved.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 15:01:39
Post by: KingDeath
Rented Tritium wrote:Aha, yeah so they theoretically COULD fall to chaos if they were weakened first or mind control was involved.
Yep. Definately. They are probably not immune but merely seem to be highly ressistant.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 15:14:15
Post by: Coolyo294
Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 15:22:17
Post by: Rented Tritium
Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
Fluff aside, can you imagine the paintjob?
:drools: Automatically Appended Next Post: I kind of want to paint chaos tau now. You know they'd like, arrange their spikes and skulls meticulously as to not interfere with weapon operation.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 16:20:41
Post by: BluntmanDC
BloodTzar wrote:So no warp presence means, only human kind can be be corrupted?
Eldar , dark eldar, bugs?
I am sorry i suck at fluff ~~
Eldar and Dark Eldar hate Chaos completely and have the whole thing about trying to defend their immortal souls from becoming dinner for Slannesh.
Tyranid have protection in the form of the Hive Mind, Tyranids are either mindless animals or a single gestalt mind both uncorruptable
Orks find that Chaos have nothing to offer them as they already live in a society that gives them what they want and the natural ork warrgh field they create gives them protection
Any race with desires and a lack of knowledge of the chaos gods true nature can become chaos (insert race name).
Although both Orks and Tyranids won't worship chaos gods they can be mutated by the warp or its constructs (Nurgles diseases).
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 16:50:49
Post by: CpatTom
Rented Tritium wrote:I kind of want to paint chaos tau now. You know they'd like, arrange their spikes and skulls meticulously as to not interfere with weapon operation.
C'mon, they'd still be Tau.
Spaez Muhreens were all, "Lets glue as much gak to ourselves as we can, cause it looks kewl". So Chaos Mureens were all like, "I'm so metal, screw those other doods, I'ma glue these spikes and skullz all over cause its rad".
Chas Tau would probably still wear camo-type patterns. They would act like most everybody else in 40k and just be in it for the Worser Evil.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 17:01:10
Post by: dreadfury101
i feel like tau would be a fun thing to do as chaos, they can be a nifty paint job/modeling. i imagine they would be like reavers from firefly, insane tau that dont really care about anything, or the greater evil if you want
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 17:03:37
Post by: Armless Failure
I seem to remember, but can't find at the moment, something about a group of Orks falling to Chaos, Infact I think that some really old fluff had Stormboys being effectivly Khorne kultists. That being said there is very little difference between orkish behavior and Khorne kultist behavior, some differences in warchants and that's about it.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 17:12:41
Post by: Rented Tritium
dreadfury101 wrote:i feel like tau would be a fun thing to do as chaos, they can be a nifty paint job/modeling. i imagine they would be like reavers from firefly, insane tau that dont really care about anything, or the greater evil if you want
I thing it would depend on the fluff you chose to go with.
If your army is like a splinter sect that worships and communes with chaos, then yeah, they wouldn't have good support and their armor and weapons would be all improvised and crazy, more like kroot.
But if you went with something like an ethereal being tricked into it or controlled somehow, you could end up with something closer to regular tau.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 17:37:02
Post by: chaos0xomega
Setting the record straight: Tau do have a warp presence, but it is very very minute and overshadowed by other species. The codex describes the Tau as being dimly lit candles in a sea of floodlights. In other words, the Tau are theoretically vulnerable, but warp entities pass over them because they are so feint that they can't detect the Tau's warp presence over everything else there.
Only one Tau has been known to be corrupted/possesed, Kais, the character from Firewarrior. As it turns out though, even though he was possessed he was still very much in pretty good overall control of himself, and definitely wasn't psycho flying rodent gak-crazy evil like a possessed human usually is.
Anyway, my only real statement to you is... why? You do realize that the concept of chaos ________ (where the _______ is anything you want to convert to chaos) is so boring, unoriginal and overdone as to actually illicit groans from veteran gamers and fluffbuffs, right? It's like... would like a side of chaos with your chaos?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 17:47:55
Post by: nomotog
CpatTom wrote:Rented Tritium wrote:I kind of want to paint chaos tau now. You know they'd like, arrange their spikes and skulls meticulously as to not interfere with weapon operation.
C'mon, they'd still be Tau.
Spaez Muhreens were all, "Lets glue as much gak to ourselves as we can, cause it looks kewl". So Chaos Mureens were all like, "I'm so metal, screw those other doods, I'ma glue these spikes and skullz all over cause its rad".
Chas Tau would probably still wear camo-type patterns. They would act like most everybody else in 40k and just be in it for the Worser Evil.
Farsight dosen't wear camo anymore. I imagine that a tau who is suffering from chaos taint wouldn't really be too pragmatic. And you know the reason you make chaos tau, is to play around with new styles of paint and spikes.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 18:08:04
Post by: blood reaper
They'd just be spiky Tau.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 18:12:25
Post by: riplikash
Seconding chaos0xomega, the concept of Chaos X mainly just makes everyone groan and is typically best left alone unless you have a REALLY cool idea. It is like making a duel wielding redeemed evil race character. There isn't necessarily anything wrong with the concept in and of itself, but it is still best avoided due to it's overuse by teenagers.
Fluff perspective: There is a limit to how much corruption can effect the Tau, due to their limited warp presence. The more powerful your soul, the more the warp can effect you: alpha psychers are lucky to survive to adulthood, typical humans can only be corrupted when exposed. Tau are going to be highly resistant, though probably not totally immune. On top of that, warp beings just don't care much about them. Lots of effort for a miniscule meal. That doesn't mean they can't choose chaos though, but it is kind of like a person with no force sensitivity choosing the dark side. No warp powers, no mutations, etc.
But, as the orks have shown us, just because your SOUL can't be corrupted doesn't mean your BODY can't. You could probably have nurgle tau.
TL;DR Tau's souls resist corruption, demons aren't interested anyways, nurgle plagues could still get them, but as a rule just avoid the concept, it makes people groan.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 18:14:08
Post by: Rented Tritium
chaos0xomega wrote:Anyway, my only real statement to you is... why? You do realize that the concept of chaos ________ (where the _______ is anything you want to convert to chaos) is so boring, unoriginal and overdone as to actually illicit groans from veteran gamers and fluffbuffs, right?
This is not really what the thread is asking about. Please don't derail.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 18:23:02
Post by: Rennoc215
nomotog said:
to excrement with new styles of paint
"And we can use other excrement AS new paints!"
Back on topic, I feel like this might be an interesting army, especially fluff wise.
What I would find hilarious is if the army was slaneesh themed, because tau are relatively selfless, so I find it quite funny if it was a *cough* innapropriately armored  *cough* tau army.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 18:37:04
Post by: Malroke
Right to put this simply Orks arent evil or chaotic they just love to fight they offer no trophys to Gods when they kill people and yell blood for blood God or dildo for slaneesh. Dark Eldar are chaos eldar and to comment on the Tau they cannot be corrupted they dont have a hole in their heart like humans that has to be filled, they all work towards the greater good. I dont why people think there should be chaos versions of everything it waters down fluff way to much and makes things exetremly repetitive. Anyway thats what i think/know for a few statements there.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 18:42:10
Post by: Rented Tritium
Dark eldar are absolutely not chaos eldar. Please actually read that fluff before saying things like that.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
I guess the thread is really over now that we've got the fluff thought police here to poo poo all over us for even THEORIZING about chaos tau.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 19:05:00
Post by: chaos0xomega
Hold on, you got a chip on your shoulder, let me get that for you 
And where did the Dark Eldar = chaos eldar argument come from? That is completely the opposite of what the Dark Eldar fluff BLATANTLY states
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 19:09:28
Post by: Rented Tritium
Malroke said that dark eldar were chaos eldar
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And as for chips, you guys popped into a thread asking if tau could be corrupted theoretically and made a bunch of posts about how cliched it would be.
Is it possible to be a fluff hipster? I'd watch out toeing that line.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 19:11:48
Post by: CpatTom
nomotog wrote:CpatTom wrote:Rented Tritium wrote:I kind of want to paint chaos tau now. You know they'd like, arrange their spikes and skulls meticulously as to not interfere with weapon operation.
C'mon, they'd still be Tau.
Spaez Muhreens were all, "Lets glue as much gak to ourselves as we can, cause it looks kewl". So Chaos Mureens were all like, "I'm so metal, screw those other doods, I'ma glue these spikes and skullz all over cause its rad".
Chas Tau would probably still wear camo-type patterns. They would act like most everybody else in 40k and just be in it for the Worser Evil.
Farsight dosen't wear camo anymore. I imagine that a tau who is suffering from chaos taint wouldn't really be too pragmatic. And you know the reason you make chaos tau, is to play around with new styles of paint and spikes.
Where did the idea of Farsight not using camo come from?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 19:49:21
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
chaos0xomega wrote:
Anyway, my only real statement to you is... why? You do realize that the concept of chaos ________ (where the _______ is anything you want to convert to chaos) is so boring, unoriginal and overdone as to actually illicit groans from veteran gamers and fluffbuffs, right? It's like... would like a side of chaos with your chaos?
Although it does actually fit Chaos perfectly (background-wise, at least). One of the main threats of Chaos is that it can get its tendrils into almost anything. The Tau have a Warp presence so they're not immune as a species. Therefore it only requires a dedicated source of corruption (an interested Daemon, a Daemon weapon, or cultists trying to spread the word of Chaos) to influence Tau and turn them away from the governance of the Tau Empire (the Greater Good wouldn't have to be shunned, either - a Chaos-aligned Psyker could theoretically trick Tau into embracing, say, a Daemon as a potent ally. There's no reason they'd refuse to consort with Daemons that are offering the hand of friendship, afterall).
So yeah, Chaos Tau is staying true to the concept of Chaos.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 19:56:09
Post by: Kroothawk
chaos0xomega wrote:Only one Tau has been known to be corrupted/possesed, Kais, the character from Firewarrior. As it turns out though, even though he was possessed he was still very much in pretty good overall control of himself, and definitely wasn't psycho flying rodent gak-crazy evil like a possessed human usually is.
Actually, the novel Fire Warrior makes it clear that he is not possessed.
1.) The Daemon doesn't even try to corrupt the ethereal, because ... not a chance in hell.
2.) The Daemon searches for the "one in a million" Tau that has the slightest chance to be corrupted because of his extraordinarily strong emotions for a Tau.
3.) The Daemon manipulates Kais with telepathic voices. He then tries to corrupt the totally exhausted Tau Fire Warrior with all four Chaos Gods in a row ... and fails utterly, being "killed" after this by Kais. Kais is left broken, but uncorrupted.
4.) So no single case of a Chaos Tau is known. Not to speak of a complete army of Chaos Tau.
5.) The controversial book Xenology suggests the fact that Eldar might have created the ethereals to make the Tau immune to Chaos.
So while it is possible to attach greenstuff tentacles and spikes to every model, Chaos tau are unfluffy and ... LAME.
Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
You mean: Female Chaos Grey Knights with swastikas ... in PINK! 
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 20:25:05
Post by: nomotog
CpatTom wrote:nomotog wrote:CpatTom wrote:Rented Tritium wrote:I kind of want to paint chaos tau now. You know they'd like, arrange their spikes and skulls meticulously as to not interfere with weapon operation.
C'mon, they'd still be Tau.
Spaez Muhreens were all, "Lets glue as much gak to ourselves as we can, cause it looks kewl". So Chaos Mureens were all like, "I'm so metal, screw those other doods, I'ma glue these spikes and skullz all over cause its rad".
Chas Tau would probably still wear camo-type patterns. They would act like most everybody else in 40k and just be in it for the Worser Evil.
Farsight dosen't wear camo anymore. I imagine that a tau who is suffering from chaos taint wouldn't really be too pragmatic. And you know the reason you make chaos tau, is to play around with new styles of paint and spikes.
Where did the idea of Farsight not using camo come from?
I actually can't think of where. I checked the codex and though his armor is painted red and silver, but I think he was fighting in a painted desert where red armor makes sense. I think it's something that I picked up well looking at different farsight conversions. http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6309&p=78062&hilit=farsight+army+cape#p78062 Automatically Appended Next Post: SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:chaos0xomega wrote:
Anyway, my only real statement to you is... why? You do realize that the concept of chaos ________ (where the _______ is anything you want to convert to chaos) is so boring, unoriginal and overdone as to actually illicit groans from veteran gamers and fluffbuffs, right? It's like... would like a side of chaos with your chaos?
Although it does actually fit Chaos perfectly (background-wise, at least). One of the main threats of Chaos is that it can get its tendrils into almost anything. The Tau have a Warp presence so they're not immune as a species. Therefore it only requires a dedicated source of corruption (an interested Daemon, a Daemon weapon, or cultists trying to spread the word of Chaos) to influence Tau and turn them away from the governance of the Tau Empire (the Greater Good wouldn't have to be shunned, either - a Chaos-aligned Psyker could theoretically trick Tau into embracing, say, a Daemon as a potent ally. There's no reason they'd refuse to consort with Daemons that are offering the hand of friendship, afterall).
So yeah, Chaos Tau is staying true to the concept of Chaos.
What would happen if a chaos demon just walked up with a peace treaty?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 20:39:59
Post by: chaos0xomega
LOL! Umm there used to be a story on the GW site IIRC about Tau capturing a bunch of Slaaneshi CSM. They learned that they served Slaanesh, and they kept asking the marines to bring them to Slaanesh so he could be brought to the Greater Good or destroyed if he refused. They kept killing marines one by one because they refused to join the Greater Good, finally one of the marines makes the claim that he is Slaanesh (figuratively speaking), and he is killed as well when he refuses to join the Tau. The Tau then make the claim that they have accomplished what the other races could not by killing Slaanesh lol
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 21:15:53
Post by: Psienesis
Given that the Tau have introduced an entirely new paradigm to the 40K universe, that of a collective of sentient beings working towards the greater good of their society, in the face of totalitarian regimes and religious intolerance, I would posit that the Tau are yet another wild card played by Tzeentch, the Lord of Change, in the Great Game... and the Tau have absolutely no concept of their role in the Architect of Fate's grand design.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 21:19:03
Post by: Rented Tritium
Psienesis wrote:Given that the Tau have introduced an entirely new paradigm to the 40K universe, that of a collective of sentient beings working towards the greater good of their society, in the face of totalitarian regimes and religious intolerance, I would posit that the Tau are yet another wild card played by Tzeentch, the Lord of Change, in the Great Game... and the Tau have absolutely no concept of their role in the Architect of Fate's grand design.
I can just see some lesser demon pitching the idea and Tzeentch is all like "That's so crazy it JUST MIGHT WORK"
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 21:51:05
Post by: CpatTom
nomotog wrote:CpatTom wrote:
Where did the idea of Farsight not using camo come from?
I actually can't think of where. I checked the codex and though his armor is painted red and silver, but I think he was fighting in a painted desert where red armor makes sense. I think it's something that I picked up well looking at different farsight conversions. http://www.advancedtautactica.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6309&p=78062&hilit=farsight+army+cape#p78062
Yeah yeah, he could not use camo, just the tactics he uses, and the tactics the Tau uses led me to assume he would.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 21:57:15
Post by: nomotog
What tactics dose he use. I can never reamer if he is the killing blow or the patent hunter. Patent hunter he would need camo, but killing blow not so much.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 22:25:45
Post by: CpatTom
He's known for quick close ambush tactics. Most notably against orks. Tall desert corridors and such.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 22:31:48
Post by: Squidmanlolz
Because the Tau are barely recognizable in the Warp, wouldn't the effect of Chaos be weaker in Tau than in other Warp-heavy species.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 22:57:33
Post by: Malroke
BTW just to chime on my comment age's ago someone going Dark Eldar arent chaos Eldar technically they are because they have given to evil stirring's and are connected to the warp aka they are a evil version of Eldar basically thats what chaos is
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 23:02:58
Post by: Squidmanlolz
Malroke wrote:BTW just to chime on my comment age's ago someone going Dark Eldar arent chaos Eldar technically they are because they have given to evil stirring's and are connected to the warp aka they are a evil version of Eldar basically thats what chaos is
They don't do the bidding of the Chaos gods, their souls go to slaanesh when they die.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 23:31:18
Post by: RatBot
Malroke wrote:BTW just to chime on my comment age's ago someone going Dark Eldar arent chaos Eldar technically they are because they have given to evil stirring's and are connected to the warp aka they are a evil version of Eldar basically thats what chaos is
Completely incorrect. Dark Eldar are evil. They are connected to the Warp much in the same way other sentient species are. However, they are not in service to or mutated by any Warp entities. They have no psykers at all, and psykers are not permitted to exist in Commorragh because they would attract the attention of Daemons, which they absolutely do not want. IIRC, their souls are slowly being consumed by Slaanesh, so to avoid this terrible fate, they consume the souls of others. They certainly live in fear of Chaos, but they do not actively serve or worship the Chaos Gods. Their entire schtick is "We don't want to get eaten by Chaos, and to this end, we will do anything and everything we can."
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/02 23:35:11
Post by: im2randomghgh
Rented Tritium wrote:They couldn't be tainted in the traditional manner because of no warp contact.
However, what if the theories about ethereals controlling the other races are true? You could have sort of a piggy back where a human or an eldar or something manages to reproduce or jack-into the tau mind control. Once a chaos tainted individual gains some sort of technological mind control over an ethereal, they just issue orders for chaos.
Now you have quasi-chaos tau.
A good writer could do it and it would be an awesome book.
Except the pheromone thing isn't canon. It is speculation from an imperial point of view, as they cannot themselves imagine giving such absolute obedience as a species. The altogether different mindset of the tau, however, is what makes them truly alien.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 00:24:25
Post by: Soo'Vah'Cha
Yeah I have always been dubious to a pheromone based Ethereal control, since how would that work when combat units that are in the field or stationed in bases and such where a ethereal's presence is a rare occurance, since they are suppose to be pretty uncommon, unless these pheromones only need to be exposed once to each Tau and instant forever greater good...just doe's not wash.
Otherwise every unit of any size would require its own Ethereal to keep the exposure and the adhereance to its effects, many times it is mentioned that there are one or at most a few Ethereals present on a Tau occupied world unless its a major sept one, Taros Campaign had only one for over 9000 fire warriors, and his death merely enraged them after a breif span of mourning and indesicion.
So Pheromones seem a bit of a stretch, My theory is they are incredibly charismatic, in their actions, words, posture, even dress, and through the centuries of Tau under Ethereal guidance, the Tau have become indoctrinated into beleiving that the Ethereals do know what is best ( Also a solid track record does not hurt.), when seperated from this guidance wether its in person or through televised or other recordings and dispatches, The Tau may start to slip from the path (especially if they already have some deep hurt or misgivings such as Farsight experianced.) And due to his position and Ethereal given athority he was in turn able to influance the troops under him.
Just my theory of course.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 01:05:27
Post by: KingDeath
chaos0xomega wrote:LOL! Umm there used to be a story on the GW site IIRC about Tau capturing a bunch of Slaaneshi CSM. They learned that they served Slaanesh, and they kept asking the marines to bring them to Slaanesh so he could be brought to the Greater Good or destroyed if he refused. They kept killing marines one by one because they refused to join the Greater Good, finally one of the marines makes the claim that he is Slaanesh (figuratively speaking), and he is killed as well when he refuses to join the Tau. The Tau then make the claim that they have accomplished what the other races could not by killing Slaanesh lol
You got the story wrong. A tau Shas'O remembers how he and his cadre once fought strange corrupted humans on the world of Kel'shan. Those humans, lead by a powerful individual ( a chaos champion ),
constantly refered to someone they called Slaanesh so the tau forces merely concluded that Slaanesh is the leader of these strange humans.
When the chaos cultists were finaly slain the tau, not knowing that Slaanesh is a chaos god, thought that they killed Slaanesh.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 02:26:40
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
nomotog wrote:
What would happen if a chaos demon just walked up with a peace treaty?
To the Tau? They'd probably talk and negotiate. It's what they do with xeno races, so why would they view Daemons any differently? Especially since any Daemon that did it (likely Tzeentchian in my opinion, or maybe even from Nurgle) isn't that likely to be in the form of a nightmarish creature, but one that the Tau would find less inherently terrifying.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 02:35:27
Post by: nomotog
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:nomotog wrote:
What would happen if a chaos demon just walked up with a peace treaty?
To the Tau? They'd probably talk and negotiate. It's what they do with xeno races, so why would they view Daemons any differently? Especially since any Daemon that did it (likely Tzeentchian in my opinion, or maybe even from Nurgle) isn't that likely to be in the form of a nightmarish creature, but one that the Tau would find less inherently terrifying.
A tau demon alliance. That would be neat. Maybe have it part of a apoc game.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 03:20:48
Post by: chaos0xomega
Thats an alliance that is sealed with blood, pun 100% intended.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 04:12:55
Post by: Connor MacLeod
Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.
The problem is, Kais was an exception, in that he had doubts, fears, etc. that could be preyed upon. Tau (at least those under a ethereal) do not suffer those sorts of failings the way humans do, so their resistance to warp corruption is considerably greater. and as we saw in Fire Warrior no daemonic influence can match up to the control an ethereal has over a tau (even Kais.)
Let's also not forget that there are differnet kinds of corruption or possession. simply being tainted by proximity to chaos can happen to anything, even inanimate objects, and no measure of "greater good" is going to save a tau from that. Their minimal warp signatures, however, make them virtually impossible for a daemon to detect and use as a gateway into the material realm (what people usually think of when they think of possession.) I suspect you could also make a tau into some sort of daemonhost.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 06:08:38
Post by: im2randomghgh
Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Yeah I have always been dubious to a pheromone based Ethereal control, since how would that work when combat units that are in the field or stationed in bases and such where a ethereal's presence is a rare occurance, since they are suppose to be pretty uncommon, unless these pheromones only need to be exposed once to each Tau and instant forever greater good...just doe's not wash.
Otherwise every unit of any size would require its own Ethereal to keep the exposure and the adhereance to its effects, many times it is mentioned that there are one or at most a few Ethereals present on a Tau occupied world unless its a major sept one, Taros Campaign had only one for over 9000 fire warriors, and his death merely enraged them after a breif span of mourning and indesicion.
So Pheromones seem a bit of a stretch, My theory is they are incredibly charismatic, in their actions, words, posture, even dress, and through the centuries of Tau under Ethereal guidance, the Tau have become indoctrinated into beleiving that the Ethereals do know what is best ( Also a solid track record does not hurt.), when seperated from this guidance wether its in person or through televised or other recordings and dispatches, The Tau may start to slip from the path (especially if they already have some deep hurt or misgivings such as Farsight experianced.) And due to his position and Ethereal given athority he was in turn able to influance the troops under him.
Just my theory of course.
I agree almost entirely.
They are EXACTLY, in my mind, like the Iterators from the Horus Heresy books, who propagandize entire worlds into the Imperium, though less propaganda and more being sane in an insane galaxy.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 10:02:52
Post by: Kroothawk
Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.
Erm, no. See my explanation above.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 13:17:56
Post by: CpatTom
im2randomghgh wrote:Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:Yeah I have always been dubious to a pheromone based Ethereal control, since how would that work when combat units that are in the field or stationed in bases and such where a ethereal's presence is a rare occurance, since they are suppose to be pretty uncommon, unless these pheromones only need to be exposed once to each Tau and instant forever greater good...just doe's not wash.
Otherwise every unit of any size would require its own Ethereal to keep the exposure and the adhereance to its effects, many times it is mentioned that there are one or at most a few Ethereals present on a Tau occupied world unless its a major sept one, Taros Campaign had only one for over 9000 fire warriors, and his death merely enraged them after a breif span of mourning and indesicion.
So Pheromones seem a bit of a stretch, My theory is they are incredibly charismatic, in their actions, words, posture, even dress, and through the centuries of Tau under Ethereal guidance, the Tau have become indoctrinated into beleiving that the Ethereals do know what is best ( Also a solid track record does not hurt.), when seperated from this guidance wether its in person or through televised or other recordings and dispatches, The Tau may start to slip from the path (especially if they already have some deep hurt or misgivings such as Farsight experianced.) And due to his position and Ethereal given athority he was in turn able to influance the troops under him.
Just my theory of course.
I agree almost entirely. They are EXACTLY, in my mind, like the Iterators from the Horus Heresy books, who propagandize entire worlds into the Imperium, though less propaganda and more being sane in an insane galaxy.
Its probably a combination of all these different factors, which isn't as fun, but it is the most likely.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/03 23:26:54
Post by: Squidmanlolz
The pheromones can't work, Tau vehicles are sealed environments, the pheromone can't affect Tau within the sealed environments unless every vehicle crew contained an Ethereal, and they don't.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 00:03:47
Post by: CpatTom
The chemical Pheromone Etheral effect could have a significant half life for the tau, and coupled with charisma, could continue to influence a Tau longer than simply being in their presence.
Farsight didn't forget the Greater Good in one day. It took an extended campaign against a brutal foe for him to lose his way.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 00:10:30
Post by: im2randomghgh
CpatTom wrote:The chemical Pheromone Etheral effect could have a significant half life for the tau, and coupled with charisma, could continue to influence a Tau longer than simply being in their presence.
Farsight didn't forget the Greater Good in one day. It took an extended campaign against a brutal foe for him to lose his way.
He was already a *different* tau though, as are many from Vior'la.
I believe it is entirely charisma, wisdom and instinctive loyalty that keeps the tau together.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 01:47:21
Post by: Kroothawk
Actually, if you read how humans react to the presence of a Primarch, it is exactly the same as Tau react to ethereals. So obviously the Primarchs wear the same perfume as ethereals.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 01:52:40
Post by: Panopticon
Ethereals are younger than Primarchs, they stole the perfume.
And now we know where one of the missing Primarchs went, obviously to T'au where he taught the secrets of mind control pheromones to the Ethereals in hopes of pacifying the Tau and forging a new ally for the Imperium!
This is some serious science right here.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 02:40:24
Post by: im2randomghgh
Panopticon wrote:Ethereals are younger than Primarchs, they stole the perfume.
And now we know where one of the missing Primarchs went, obviously to T'au where he taught the secrets of mind control pheromones to the Ethereals in hopes of pacifying the Tau and forging a new ally for the Imperium!
This is some serious science right here.
:O
Aun'Va is just a really, really ugly primarch! It all makes perfect sense!
So is farsight!
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 02:51:05
Post by: Squidmanlolz
if Mat Ward writes the next Codex, you can bet that the Tau are decended from a lost priarch. :(
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 03:03:57
Post by: Medium of Death
There was a White Dwarf out about 8 or 9 years ago (Maybe 10 at a push?) that had a scenario for Grey Knights (Daemon Hunters) fighting Tau.
It involved Daemonic runes/statue/token/amulet/weapon and it coming into contact with an Ethereal. The Daemon convinces the Tau to fight by its side etc.
The Greater Daemon was a Lord of Change as far as I recall.
Seems reasonable to have 'mislead Tau' rather than full blown 'Chaos Tau'.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 03:36:50
Post by: xXSir MontyXx
When it comes to warp pressence the tau are probably barely noticed when compared to the large presence of humans and elder about. But when it comes to their way of life ill bet you the chaos gods would love to throw a wrench into their greater good system.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 03:42:05
Post by: im2randomghgh
Squidmanlolz wrote:if Mat Ward writes the next Codex, you can bet that the Tau are decended from a lost priarch. :(
And that they will be CC monsters/
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/04 03:46:40
Post by: Squidmanlolz
im2randomghgh wrote:Squidmanlolz wrote:if Mat Ward writes the next Codex, you can bet that the Tau are decended from a lost priarch. :(
And that they will be CC monsters/
monsterous creatures with power-weapons
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/05 00:09:19
Post by: Connor MacLeod
Kroothawk wrote:Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.
Erm, no. See my explanation above.
And? Did I say that Kais got posssessed?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/05 00:12:44
Post by: Squidmanlolz
Connor MacLeod wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.
Erm, no. See my explanation above.
And? Did I say that Kais got posssessed?
If not possessed, then what did you mean by "fall to chaos". please specify.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/05 00:18:19
Post by: Ovion
dreadfury101 wrote:i feel like tau would be a fun thing to do as chaos, they can be a nifty paint job/modeling. i imagine they would be like reavers from firefly, insane tau that dont really care about anything, or the greater evil if you want
I quite like this idea. And while it won't be the primary idea behind it, I will probably include the idea in my Mont'au codex (not that I've done much to it in an age while I work on finishing my DE book)
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/05 10:46:47
Post by: Kroothawk
Connor MacLeod wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Connor MacLeod wrote:Tau obviously can fall to chaos, it happened in the Fire Warrior novel.
Erm, no. See my explanation above.
And? Did I say that Kais got posssessed?
Not even the "one in a million" Tau where the Daemon thought he had a chance to corrupt, resisted exhausted to all four corruption attempts in a row and "killed" the Daemon. Kais ended broken but uncorrupted. So no Tau fell to Chaos in that novel.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/05 16:14:35
Post by: Mustela
They have no warp presence, so they're immune to the effects of chaos and the warp! Though, on the GW website I read something about how they could still serve a chaos god, but they couldn't be "rewarded." Farsight could be a tool of Tzeentch.
EDIT: I forgot, everyone is a tool of Tzeentch.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/05 16:37:03
Post by: Draigo
Hhhm saw a thing bout chaos GK.. what about necron gk! replace the head with Crons! Assimilating the best tech! sorry sounded kinda need to use warscythes for halberds lol In a game that lets me make toilet paper tube titans and Mr Potatoe head Stompas I don't see why "chaos-ized" tau paint scheme is a big deal.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 14:13:42
Post by: Crimson
As has been noted several times, the Tau have a warp presence, albeit much smaller one than the humans. This means that they can be affected by Chaos. Also, they are pretty much unaware of the nature of the Ruinous Powers, so do not know to be wary.
I could totally see an isolated group of Tau turning to worship Chaos.
Also, i really do not like the trend that the every other group except humans seems to be somehow immune to Chaos. Makes it kinda lose impact.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 14:22:24
Post by: xXSir MontyXx
Crimson wrote:As has been noted several times, the Tau have a warp presence, albeit much smaller one than the humans. This means that they can be affected by Chaos. Also, they are pretty much unaware of the nature of the Ruinous Powers, so do not know to be wary.
I could totally see an isolated group of Tau turning to worship Chaos.
Also, i really do not like the trend that the every other group except humans seems to be somehow immune to Chaos. Makes it kinda lose impact.
Except the Eldar, ya know the whole birth of Slaanesh thing....
The Tau have a warp presence yes, but is it enough for a daemon or reward from a chaos god to be ushered through to the material world. I don't think so.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 14:31:14
Post by: Crimson
xXSir MontyXx wrote:
The Tau have a warp presence yes, but is it enough for a daemon or reward from a chaos god to be ushered through to the material world. I don't think so.
But it is enough for the chaos entities to whisper into their minds.
To overcome their natural limitations, the Chaos Tau build great Portal Engines, as an altars to their newly found gods. Then they form raids to capture as many human, eldar, and other warp-active creatures as they can, and hook them up to the Portal Engine. With carefully calculated protocols they sacrifice these poor captives, harnessing the power of their minds in order to open the gates for their new demonic allies into the world.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 14:46:04
Post by: Draigo
A daemon of tzeetch could find it an interesting challenge. Wouldn't be the first time they tried to break something that was considered a tough challenge. Plus the diversity of the Tau empire might appeal to their infatuation with varied shapes.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 17:56:40
Post by: CpatTom
Crimson wrote:But it is enough for the chaos entities to whisper into their minds.
To overcome their natural limitations, the Chaos Tau build great Portal Engines, as an altars to their newly found gods. Then they form raids to capture as many human, eldar, and other warp-active creatures as they can, and hook them up to the Portal Engine. With carefully calculated protocols they sacrifice these poor captives, harnessing the power of their minds in order to open the gates for their new demonic allies into the world.
I like the thought process; however, I do have some contentions and alternatives to bring up.
1. Out and out Chaos Tau seems dramatically unlikely with the given evidence (this limited mostly to the post Kroothawk put up, thanks Kroot, no leg work for me).
2. That being said, The Tau do work with other factions for "The Greater Good", and as such might be persuaded into performing things for a particularly Charismatic Envoy for Chaos. While no precedence for this, an Etheral caught away from Tau space could determine the best course of action for his troops to pursue would be negotiations with a Chaotic element in order to ensure survival against an overwhelming imperial/ork/tyranid/necron/etc force. This wouldn't get you super Skullz Tau, it would give you Tau more than capable of performing the activities not usually undertaken in the name of the Greater Good. This keeps the intentions of Serving the Greater Good intact, and allows for (in a sense) chaos Tau.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 18:57:22
Post by: Darthslowe
I personally love the idea of Chaos Tau. Not because I like Chaos, not because I like Tau, but because I LOVE the idea of CHAOS POPE! Best character idea ever! Imagine a super powerful, pheremone-wielding Nurgle Ethereal. Yes...YES...the plan is working...
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 20:10:15
Post by: xXSir MontyXx
What would be a chaos Tau armies specialty? Like, what would they gain from chaos?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 20:22:37
Post by: Crimson
xXSir MontyXx wrote:What would be a chaos Tau armies specialty? Like, what would they gain from chaos?
Tentacles!
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 20:24:36
Post by: xXSir MontyXx
What would the effect on their tech be? For instance, what would a chaos pulse carbine do to somebody? haha
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 20:51:53
Post by: BluntmanDC
Mustela wrote:They have no warp presence, so they're immune to the effects of chaos and the warp! Though, on the GW website I read something about how they could still serve a chaos god, but they couldn't be "rewarded." Farsight could be a tool of Tzeentch.
EDIT: I forgot, everyone is a tool of Tzeentch.
As already stated heavily in this thread and many others on this website the Tau do have souls and a warp presence this is evident in the fluff (they are described as having a dim presence in the warp) and in-game by the fact that psychic powers effect them.
Also being a pawn of Tzeentch has no bearing on a being's faith or outlook, the purest of people can still be a toy for the god to play with.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 21:04:55
Post by: xXSir MontyXx
BluntmanDC wrote:Mustela wrote:They have no warp presence, so they're immune to the effects of chaos and the warp! Though, on the GW website I read something about how they could still serve a chaos god, but they couldn't be "rewarded." Farsight could be a tool of Tzeentch.
EDIT: I forgot, everyone is a tool of Tzeentch.
As already stated heavily in this thread and many others on this website the Tau do have souls and a warp presence this is evident in the fluff (they are described as having a dim presence in the warp) and in-game by the fact that psychic powers effect them.
Also being a pawn of Tzeentch has no bearing on a being's faith or outlook, the purest of people can still be a toy for the god to play with.
I agree with the pawn of tzeentch piece here, is it not more chaotic say if he were to get ahold of say....... the pope today and throw the catholic community into disarray with the popes sudden "strange" behavior???
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 21:19:57
Post by: Darthslowe
xXSir MontyXx wrote:What would be a chaos Tau armies specialty? Like, what would they gain from chaos?
What would they gain? I think that ethereals could have psychic pheremones. There could actually be a rule that ethereals could have the mark of Tzeentch (sp?) which would grant the following:
Psychic Pheremones: These pheremones are not just pheremones, they are psychically charged pheremones. This gives the pheremones the ability to control opposing units. This power is a psychic shooting power; however, failed psychic tests have no ill affect (effect? I wish I were a grammar ninja) because Tau Ethereals have a limited presence in the warp. This power fires at the ethereals BS and any unit hit by this power must immediately take a leadership test. If any unit fails this test they are immediately controlled by the Tau player for the duration of the game because they have come to appreciate the power of the greater good.
Aside from ethereals with psychic powers there could be firewarriors with demon possessed guns that give them better BS, Kroot with springy tentacles that make them jump troops, and other assorted badnesses.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 22:52:44
Post by: CpatTom
Darthslowe wrote:What would they gain? I think that ethereals could have psychic pheremones. There could actually be a rule that ethereals could have the mark of Tzeentch (sp?) which would grant the following:
Psychic Pheremones: These pheremones are not just pheremones, they are psychically charged pheremones. This gives the pheremones the ability to control opposing units. This power is a psychic shooting power; however, failed psychic tests have no ill affect (effect? I wish I were a grammar ninja) because Tau Ethereals have a limited presence in the warp. This power fires at the ethereals BS and any unit hit by this power must immediately take a leadership test. If any unit fails this test they are immediately controlled by the Tau player for the duration of the game because they have come to appreciate the power of the greater good.
Aside from ethereals with psychic powers there could be firewarriors with demon possessed guns that give them better BS, Kroot with springy tentacles that make them jump troops, and other assorted badnesses.
Interesting power (probably overpowered, limit the turns down a bit, maybe during your shooting/assault phase you control them before returning to normal next turn. And I wouldn't make it psychic. Its agaist the fluff grain. Just give it to the Etheral's as is. They speak pretty words, and don't have a use besides objective marker currently. Fire Warrior Bs is alread increased by Targeting Arrays. Kroot can already evolve wings (Kroot Merc has some neat stuff on these guys), I would run wing kroot as Vespid, because I hate bugs (if I was going to run vespid of course). I guess you could run them as 15/25's also, cause Kroot are stealthy and gak. Model with some fancy stealth looking doodad, plus Burst cannons, bam, pretty cool huh.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/06 23:28:50
Post by: Ovion
That power is incredibly overpowered.
Make it so you can dictate their actions for a single phase, off a simple leadership test within range (maybe a template attack) during their opponents next turn and I can see it being a fair idea...
Also - Ethereals are cool, I'm going to be running one as a centerpoint of my force, huddled within 12 Firewarriors with 4 drones consequences be damned. . If it wasn't for that 1+ suit commander limit I'd run 2 for giggles. xD
LOTS of Firewarriors and S5 shooting is my Tau forces rhetoric. (That and Deathrains + Hammerheads, but mostly Fire Warriors).
But with their very limited connection to the warp, especially if they lack reprecussions from psychic power, why would they have such a strong one?
I would think simply making their inherrant power stronger would be best overall, making all tau nearby fearless, maybe confer some other USR aswell like Relentless.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 05:47:00
Post by: Connor MacLeod
Squidmanlolz wrote:
If not possessed, then what did you mean by "fall to chaos". please specify.
Corruption, being tainted, imbuned, or otherwise touched by Chaos, however briefly. Kais suffered madness and rage and all that other un-tau like stuff because he was being influenced (even bolstered) by a Daemon. Whether or not it left a permamant impression was left unsaid by the end of the book - he was basically catatonic but still fighting back to regain himself.
What is so problematic about that?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 08:15:34
Post by: sudojoe
Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 09:52:33
Post by: BloodTzar
First of all, my idea of chaos tau was more like, not corrupted at first, but instead miss leaded by Tzeench, than influenced by him, at last corrupted.
Second, if it would be possible for them to be corrupted if singled out, than it would be awesome.
Raven like hammer heads with demonic possession, with drones that would swarm the surroundings in order to protect it. Moreover suits with organically implants that would enhance their mobility and accuracy. Or super stealthy camo suits that would be used as shock troops, with new ravenish claw mutations.
Or just imagine Tau like defiler with the tzeench feel or its version of vindicator with rail gun instead.
I think becoming Chaos tau would not stop them in using their advanced technology; I even think that Tzeench would lead them to demonically improve it to gain even more of it. So you would have some sort of demonical super - tech.
At last, all this will be led by some sort of strong socceror.
But yeah this was my original idea...
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 10:36:37
Post by: Kroothawk
sudojoe wrote:Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!
You can also take Grey Knights if you decorate the bases with dead Sororitas. People will understand
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 10:55:13
Post by: usmcmidn
Hey if its your army you can do w.e you want and make up all the fluff you want to go with them.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 16:46:14
Post by: Draigo
Kroothawk wrote:sudojoe wrote:Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!
You can also take Grey Knights if you decorate the bases with dead Sororitas. People will understand
You guys are really suprised by that? Really? The inquisition burns worlds if they cant contain it. lol That to me wasn't all that shocking. GK are considered last resort before terminatus.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/07 23:04:28
Post by: im2randomghgh
Draigo wrote:Kroothawk wrote:sudojoe wrote:Coolyo294 wrote:Why not make a Chaos GK army while you're at it?
Cotez and alot of demon hosts..... yes.... backed up by a bunch of space monkies. No GK in the list, still legal and it's essentially chaos+xenos!
You can also take Grey Knights if you decorate the bases with dead Sororitas. People will understand
You guys are really suprised by that? Really? The inquisition burns worlds if they cant contain it. lol That to me wasn't all that shocking. GK are considered last resort before terminatus.
Murdering loyal sisters BEFORE attacking the daemon is just nonsense. Bathing in their blood takes it too far.
Miriael Sabathiel is the only sister who has ever fallen to chaos. This would mean they are actually more resistant to chaos temptation than astartes.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 00:54:13
Post by: Kroothawk
Don't argue with Draigo about inconsistencies in the GK Codex, he will tatoo your heart
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 01:43:02
Post by: Connor MacLeod
You can actually make a case for the 'killing sisters in the GK codex' bit, because they do emphasize the hell out of that whole 'blood and sacrifice of peoples lives for the good of the Imperium and Emperor'. There's the routine sacrifices of psykers. There's all the death cults (which are borderline sanctioned by the Ecclesiarchy and even used when they need assassins.) The Frateris militia is basically one whole excuse to get large numbers of people to kill themselves for the Imperial Creed.
Of course, that would require the entire passage to have been written differently rather than the way it was, and so it comes off as bizarre as the Ben Counter Short Story Sacrifice (where they forge GK armour from the corpses of psykers on the Black ships, and they sanctify bolt rounds used to kill the GK's enemies in the sacrificed blood of the innocent.)
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 03:24:49
Post by: im2randomghgh
Connor MacLeod wrote:You can actually make a case for the 'killing sisters in the GK codex' bit, because they do emphasize the hell out of that whole 'blood and sacrifice of peoples lives for the good of the Imperium and Emperor'. There's the routine sacrifices of psykers. There's all the death cults (which are borderline sanctioned by the Ecclesiarchy and even used when they need assassins.) The Frateris militia is basically one whole excuse to get large numbers of people to kill themselves for the Imperial Creed.
Of course, that would require the entire passage to have been written differently rather than the way it was, and so it comes off as bizarre as the Ben Counter Short Story Sacrifice (where they forge GK armour from the corpses of psykers on the Black ships, and they sanctify bolt rounds used to kill the GK's enemies in the sacrificed blood of the innocent.)
...murdering a mission of loyal sisters BEFORE the battle makes no sense, especially as they would have to fight the sisters, and risk losses on the GK side. Plus, then they have sisters who cannot fight alongside them. Plus, needing to do this implies that without it, the GK would be very much susceptible to corruption
After the battle is logical enough, for various reasons, but before? All they did was prove GKs aren't smart.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 03:31:07
Post by: Squidmanlolz
The GKs could be egotistical glory-hogs. I wouldn't be surprised if they killed the sisters to save the glory and honor for themselves.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 03:31:34
Post by: Draigo
Kroothawk wrote:Don't argue with Draigo about inconsistencies in the GK Codex, he will tatoo your heart
Nah I give up argueing anymore. People all gave how they think stuff should be. I for one liked the old codex better but nothing I can do there. They changed it so eh. I just didnt think the extreme inquisition behavior was as odd as say the art collecting necron. lol Definately no more odd then daemonhosts and daemon weapons with em. lol
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 16:59:11
Post by: RAVEN 97
Would be cool but unless the Tau enter the warp its never going to happen.
One of my mates painted a battle suit as chaos Tau, it didn't
look great
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 16:59:33
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
im2randomghgh wrote:
...murdering a mission of loyal sisters BEFORE the battle makes no sense, especially as they would have to fight the sisters, and risk losses on the GK side. Plus, then they have sisters who cannot fight alongside them. Plus, needing to do this implies that without it, the GK would be very much susceptible to corruption
After the battle is logical enough, for various reasons, but before? All they did was prove GKs aren't smart.
It proved that the Grey Knights are not immune to Psychic powers. The Bloodtide could have effected them; that's why they used the blood of the Sisters' in a ritual for protection.
That's actually very smart. If the Grey Knights were exploding in showers of gore, or even worse, turning against their comrades, the loss would have been greater, especially since the Sisters of Battle would likely have been executed anyway.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 22:51:44
Post by: im2randomghgh
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:
...murdering a mission of loyal sisters BEFORE the battle makes no sense, especially as they would have to fight the sisters, and risk losses on the GK side. Plus, then they have sisters who cannot fight alongside them. Plus, needing to do this implies that without it, the GK would be very much susceptible to corruption
After the battle is logical enough, for various reasons, but before? All they did was prove GKs aren't smart.
It proved that the Grey Knights are not immune to Psychic powers. The Bloodtide could have effected them; that's why they used the blood of the Sisters' in a ritual for protection.
That's actually very smart. If the Grey Knights were exploding in showers of gore, or even worse, turning against their comrades, the loss would have been greater, especially since the Sisters of Battle would likely have been executed anyway.
...Which proves that only esoteric rituals keep them from falling to chaos, rather than being special in any way. Automatically Appended Next Post: RAVEN 97 wrote:Would be cool but unless the Tau enter the warp its never going to happen.
One of my mates painted a battle suit as chaos Tau, it didn't
look great
They DO travel in the warp...just more like sailboats compared to the other factions submarines.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 23:14:24
Post by: Brother Coa
Kroothawk wrote:Don't argue with Draigo about inconsistencies in the GK Codex, he will tatoo your heart
+ 10 to this 
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 23:32:01
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
im2randomghgh wrote:...Which proves that only esoteric rituals keep them from falling to chaos, rather than being special in any way.
No it doesn't. It prevented them from being affected by the Bloodtide, which is completely different to falling to Chaos. Or do you think everyone who turned mad decided to bow before the Ruinous Powers? At the least it was mind-control of some sort (or possibly killing the person and taking over the body).
The blood may have just protected them from exploding in showers of gore, or it may have protected them from the maddening affects as well. Either way, it does not demonstrate that they are capable of falling to Chaos.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/08 23:55:44
Post by: im2randomghgh
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:...Which proves that only esoteric rituals keep them from falling to chaos, rather than being special in any way.
No it doesn't. It prevented them from being affected by the Bloodtide, which is completely different to falling to Chaos. Or do you think everyone who turned mad decided to bow before the Ruinous Powers? At the least it was mind-control of some sort (or possibly killing the person and taking over the body).
The blood may have just protected them from exploding in showers of gore, or it may have protected them from the maddening affects as well. Either way, it does not demonstrate that they are capable of falling to Chaos.
The part I bolded is possession, which most definately means "susceptible to chaos"
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 01:54:44
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
im2randomghgh wrote:The part I bolded is possession, which most definately means "susceptible to chaos"
No it's not. It's using a body as a puppet through Psychic means, would doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Chaos. Regardless, it was just a suggestion, and not necessarily what was intended.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 01:58:26
Post by: Draigo
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:The part I bolded is possession, which most definately means "susceptible to chaos"
No it's not. It's using a body as a puppet through Psychic means, would doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Chaos. Regardless, it was just a suggestion, and not necessarily what was intended.
That's how possession works since the daemon doesn't stick his hand up their butt and work em like a puppet..
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 02:02:17
Post by: im2randomghgh
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:The part I bolded is possession, which most definately means "susceptible to chaos"
No it's not. It's using a body as a puppet through Psychic means, would doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Chaos. Regardless, it was just a suggestion, and not necessarily what was intended.
It shows they need extra protection against the influence of heretics=not infallible.
Also, Alaric very nearly fell to chaos as well.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 14:33:40
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
Draigo wrote:
That's how possession works since the daemon doesn't stick his hand up their butt and work em like a puppet..
I'd disagree since when a Daemon possesses someone it appears that that person is usually still alive and conscious, not dead. Maybe that's not a possibility then. Maybe the Grey Knights weren't worried about the Bloodtide controlling them, but just the whole killing thing.
im2randomghgh wrote:It shows they need extra protection against the influence of heretics=not infallible.
No it doesn't, it means they needed protection against a specific type of Psychic power. Just because it came from a Daemon doesn't mean that they are immune to its Psychic power.
Also, Alaric very nearly fell to chaos as well.
I'd argue that it's theoretically possible for a Grey Knight to fall to Chaos. They do, after all, have free will. They just won't.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 15:44:02
Post by: Durza
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Draigo wrote:
That's how possession works since the daemon doesn't stick his hand up their butt and work em like a puppet..
I'd disagree since when a Daemon possesses someone it appears that that person is usually still alive and conscious, not dead. Maybe that's not a possibility then. Maybe the Grey Knights weren't worried about the Bloodtide controlling them, but just the whole killing thing.
Possession is the daemon replacing the host's soul with its own, but the host isn't deleted, just minimized, if I can treat them like a computer. Mind control isn't the same, but it's just as big of a danger. If the Last Chancers novels are accurate, the host can fight against possession, and exposure to a null will force the daemon back into the Warp after a while, leaving the host in control briefly. I don't think that explained anything, actually...
im2randomghgh wrote:It shows they need extra protection against the influence of heretics=not infallible.
No it doesn't, it means they needed protection against a specific type of Psychic power. Just because it came from a Daemon doesn't mean that they are immune to its Psychic power.
Also, Alaric very nearly fell to chaos as well.
I'd argue that it's theoretically possible for a Grey Knight to fall to Chaos. They do, after all, have free will. They just won't.
That's like arguing that free will and destiny both exist.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 17:22:07
Post by: SomeRandomEvilGuy
Durza wrote:
Possession is the daemon replacing the host's soul with its own, but the host isn't deleted, just minimized, if I can treat them like a computer. Mind control isn't the same, but it's just as big of a danger. If the Last Chancers novels are accurate, the host can fight against possession, and exposure to a null will force the daemon back into the Warp after a while, leaving the host in control briefly. I don't think that explained anything, actually...
That's what I thought. It's different from just controlling a body. A host fighting against possession does seem reasonable.
That's like arguing that free will and destiny both exist.
I could argue that, but I don't believe in destiny (but really, just because your destined to do something doesn't mean you won't do it of your own free will. You'll still choose to do it yourself, it's just that your action was essentially predictable).
A Grey Knight has control of himself. He can choose to serve Chaos if he wants to. He will not ever want to though; he's been indoctrinated into believing that it is the incarnation of evil and something that would use and eventually destroy him. He knows that and he has seen it, so why would he fall to Chaos when it goes against everything he has ever believed in? When he knows the terrible truth of the consequences of serving such powers that few of those who do serve Chaos would know?
So a Grey Knight could theoretically come close to falling. But he will never take the plunge - they are too mentally focussed to do that. Although from what I've heard, Alaric doesn't completely work with the current background, but since I haven't read the books I can't pass judgement on it.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 17:34:53
Post by: Draigo
SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:Durza wrote:
Possession is the daemon replacing the host's soul with its own, but the host isn't deleted, just minimized, if I can treat them like a computer. Mind control isn't the same, but it's just as big of a danger. If the Last Chancers novels are accurate, the host can fight against possession, and exposure to a null will force the daemon back into the Warp after a while, leaving the host in control briefly. I don't think that explained anything, actually...
That's what I thought. It's different from just controlling a body. A host fighting against possession does seem reasonable.
That's like arguing that free will and destiny both exist.
I could argue that, but I don't believe in destiny (but really, just because your destined to do something doesn't mean you won't do it of your own free will. You'll still choose to do it yourself, it's just that your action was essentially predictable).
A Grey Knight has control of himself. He can choose to serve Chaos if he wants to. He will not ever want to though; he's been indoctrinated into believing that it is the incarnation of evil and something that would use and eventually destroy him. He knows that and he has seen it, so why would he fall to Chaos when it goes against everything he has ever believed in? When he knows the terrible truth of the consequences of serving such powers that few of those who do serve Chaos would know?
So a Grey Knight could theoretically come close to falling. But he will never take the plunge - they are too mentally focussed to do that. Although from what I've heard, Alaric doesn't completely work with the current background, but since I haven't read the books I can't pass judgement on it.
If you use Alrics exp on the Daemon World in Hammer of Daemons he had moments where he lost control of his faculties due to possession. He "blackout" periods where he ripped IG members apart with his bare hands. That also described Alrics resisting the possessions overwhelming prescence in his mind without his psychic defense which was nullified by the collar of khorne. People can discredit or ignore novels, games or whatever for examples but the fact remains it shows gw will allow an author to make anything happen. Also with how he understood anything he killed there was in tribute to Khorne and eventually bought into it till the end of the story and even then left the others to be torn apart by daemons.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 18:52:46
Post by: ZeroSamurai
Am I mistaken but don't the sisters of battle willingly sacrifice themselves for the grey knights, seeing that there was no other way?
Back on topic there might be renegade tau (farsight and crew) but I doubt any would worship the chaos gods, especially when they don't even really know what a chaos god is.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 20:02:00
Post by: Kroothawk
ZeroSamurai wrote:Am I mistaken but don't the sisters of battle willingly sacrifice themselves for the grey knights, seeing that there was no other way?
They weren't asked, but surely they would have been enthusiastic to end as a smear of blood on a Grey Knight armour
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 20:09:50
Post by: Draigo
Kroothawk wrote:ZeroSamurai wrote:Am I mistaken but don't the sisters of battle willingly sacrifice themselves for the grey knights, seeing that there was no other way?
They weren't asked, but surely they would have been enthusiastic to end as a smear of blood on a Grey Knight armour
I know desperate times call for desperate measures but that bit of fluff is written rather coldly and as a matter of fact. I'm cuirous what sorta debate happen. Was there an actual hey this might be our only chance or was it "hey sisters we have something to show you" *lead around corner* then jump them. With just well they killed em it does sound rather khorny.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 21:14:38
Post by: Ovion
Someone should do a sisterblood red GK army.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/09 23:31:18
Post by: sudojoe
Ovion wrote:Someone should do a sisterblood red GK army.
I'll give that a shot later
in the mean time...
Ka'jagga'nath's stasis prison was damaged and the Greater Daemon broke free, unleashing his bloodtide upon the world. As the world rips itself apart in violence and worship of Khorne, even the planets garrison of Sisters of Battle fall prey to the Bloodtide and become murderous champions of the Blood God, murdering those Battle Sisters who managed to resist the Bloodtide's effects. For eight days the orgy of violence continues as more and more Daemons pass through the Warp portals that have spawned. However in the end the Grey Knights 4th Brotherhood would arrive and manage to resist the Bloodtide by mixing the blood of the innocent with those of their own holy oils used to anoint their power armor, creating a shield against the bloodtides effects.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ka%27jagga%27nath
I always imagined this would have been the alternative for the other sisters in there
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 00:34:15
Post by: Draigo
sudojoe wrote:Ovion wrote:Someone should do a sisterblood red GK army.
I'll give that a shot later
in the mean time...
Ka'jagga'nath's stasis prison was damaged and the Greater Daemon broke free, unleashing his bloodtide upon the world. As the world rips itself apart in violence and worship of Khorne, even the planets garrison of Sisters of Battle fall prey to the Bloodtide and become murderous champions of the Blood God, murdering those Battle Sisters who managed to resist the Bloodtide's effects. For eight days the orgy of violence continues as more and more Daemons pass through the Warp portals that have spawned. However in the end the Grey Knights 4th Brotherhood would arrive and manage to resist the Bloodtide by mixing the blood of the innocent with those of their own holy oils used to anoint their power armor, creating a shield against the bloodtides effects.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ka%27jagga%27nath
I always imagined this would have been the alternative for the other sisters in there
Thats a badass pic
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 11:52:20
Post by: Kroothawk
Prostitute themed all female army? Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 12:04:22
Post by: Mr Morden
Great image from a very talented artist:
http://studiocolrouphobia.net/
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 15:28:57
Post by: im2randomghgh
Kroothawk wrote:Prostitute themed all female army? Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
They have.
SoB.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 15:35:05
Post by: Sasori
im2randomghgh wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Prostitute themed all female army? Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
They have.
SoB.
I don't think you can handle the rage, that will be directed against you if SoB fans find out you made that comment.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 15:36:23
Post by: im2randomghgh
Sasori wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Prostitute themed all female army? Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
They have.
SoB.
I don't think you can handle the rage, that will be directed against you if SoB fans find out you made that comment.
I've said worse about them before. I've been banned 2 or 3 times for it
But really, they are just armoured prostitutes with fire.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 15:43:41
Post by: Sasori
im2randomghgh wrote:Sasori wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Prostitute themed all female army? Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
They have.
SoB.
I don't think you can handle the rage, that will be directed against you if SoB fans find out you made that comment.
I've said worse about them before. I've been banned 2 or 3 times for it
But really, they are just armoured prostitutes with fire.
If you are getting banned for it, then you probably shouldn't say it.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 16:48:58
Post by: The CF
Dakkadakka derailing in action.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 18:09:34
Post by: im2randomghgh
Sasori wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:Sasori wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Prostitute themed all female army? Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
They have.
SoB.
I don't think you can handle the rage, that will be directed against you if SoB fans find out you made that comment.
I've said worse about them before. I've been banned 2 or 3 times for it
But really, they are just armoured prostitutes with fire.
If you are getting banned for it, then you probably shouldn't say it.
They just assume I am trolling, even when I am not.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/10 19:36:17
Post by: Kroothawk
im2randomghgh wrote:But really, they are just armoured prostitutes with fire.
I guess, most 15 year old boys who have never read about the Sororitas background, "idealize" them like that
im2randomghgh wrote:They just assume I am trolling, even when I am not.
Hope you are not serious.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/11 10:39:00
Post by: xXSir MontyXx
The Tau derail rifle! Tremble in fear mortals! Your thread has been dealt a glancing blow! CAN IT RECOVER!?
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/11 10:40:50
Post by: DreadlordME!
The Railgun of CHaos
Double all Stats
Range 144 SD AP1 HEavy 2
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/11 23:52:33
Post by: im2randomghgh
Kroothawk wrote:im2randomghgh wrote:But really, they are just armoured prostitutes with fire.
I guess, most 15 year old boys who have never read about the Sororitas background, "idealize" them like that
im2randomghgh wrote:They just assume I am trolling, even when I am not.
Hope you are not serious.
Trust, I have read more Sororitas fluff than I care to admit
And I am serious. Everyone loves calling out trolls so much that even when you aren't one...
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/12 01:47:51
Post by: shimraa
Chaos Tau!
I have spent a long time thinking of ways to chaosify my tau. As they are my first and favorite army, I feel that the concept to be so ludicrous, that I *must* invent them in order to make the idea feasible. So my best options I haev come up with over the years...
Tau have a small presence, and anything short of a massive warp entity will take years to corrupt a tau. But it is possible. And if a head ethereal were to turn, he could turn his entire cadre or even his sept if he were high enough ranked. Possible, but rather weak fluffy explanation.
Another option, similar effect but whole different in pretense. A ethereal doesnt become corrupt, so much as he willingly seeks out chaos and wills himself to fall. Since ethereal's are rumored to be above the "greater good" and actually just control everyone else using that pretense, they can have selfish motivations. So in this one tau's instance, he wanted something more and turned to chaos. Be it political power and turned tzeetchy. Or since tau have short lives, he asked nurgle for longer life. Maybe he was a military leader and asked khorne for power.
Or the very real possibly that out of all the ethereals, one was just crazed and a secret lunatic and wanted to kill/burn/destroy and indulge in chaosy tendencies. He works to gain comtrol of a cadre, goes off on a mission, and then pheromone controls everyone to follow his thought process. Then its not far to hop to chaos.
Next option is there are no tau. Hold with me on this option, but i find it *the* most likely. A cadre consistent of a mass of kroot, vespid and human auxiliaries. We all know humans have their weaknesses in 40K, but if pressed, they can hold up every bit as well as tau when equipped properly. Take a cadre that was defending a small outpost planet or somethign similar. Not worth enough for the true tau to hold in force, but they could delegate to their auxiliary "equal allies". Somethign happens to the handful of ethereals or firecaste in charge (possibly corrupting a human commander to pop them in the head) and BAM, you have a army of tau equipped, easily corruptible humans and allied races. So long as your army doesnt have ethereals on the board or firewarriors without helmets, you can claim everything is being piloted by humans with tau equipment.
Another option is much like the farsight story, but have the commander of the army be a human instead of farsight. When the etheral gets popped (maybe by said human commader) the rest of the tau will blindly follow their great leader. I dont find it likely, but its possible to believe if you try not to develop the level of corruption involved. A little bit of idol worship, sure. Feasting on flesh and bathing in their enemies blood... not so much. No loyalty to a human would run that deep.
Another one I have come across from time to time but never liked myself, mind control a ethereal through non-chaosy ways in order to make him chaosy. One way I thought of would be to have a vespid strain leader. The strain leaders have those "communication helmets" on that let the tau control them. What happens if somehow somewhere it got broken/adjusted to allow the vespid to command the tau. Vespids have a warp presence....that or some enterprising human reverse engineered it to do the same idea for human -> tau mindcontrol.
Those table worthy chaos tau idea aside, I am firmly of the opinion tzeetch is involved here. While tau are hard to corrupt, they can be nudged slowly. And their interaction with other races affect the tau over time. And good tzeetch isnt one to usually bust out with blood crazed monsters right off the bat. He plans some high stakes, very long term games. Political intrigue is easy for the god of change to sway subtly. I cant guess what tzeetch would plan for the tau eventually, but im sure he has his chaosy little fingers in every bit of the taus dealings that he can.
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/12 03:59:46
Post by: im2randomghgh
I am firmly of the opinion tzeetch is involved here. While tau are hard to corrupt, they can be nudged slowly. And their interaction with other races affect the tau over time. And good tzeetch isnt one to usually bust out with blood crazed monsters right off the bat. He plans some high stakes, very long term games. Political intrigue is easy for the god of change to sway subtly. I cant guess what tzeetch would plan for the tau eventually, but im sure he has his chaosy little fingers in every bit of the taus dealings that he can.
That's because everything everywhere ever is/was/always will be part of Tzeentch's grand plan. Or CREEEEED!
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/13 22:27:55
Post by: theflaminghorror
chaos tau wouldn't really be possible because tau have no ties to the warp and the chaos gods. But renegade tau would work as succeeding from the empire
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Chaos Tau @ 2011/12/14 00:56:05
Post by: Crystal Geyser
Didn't you have a similar idea once, flaminghorror?
And yeah, seperatist tau are not unheard of and it would be a nice way to create a unique-looking army
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Chaos Tau @ 2012/07/17 00:08:30
Post by: HeadRipper
Who said a tau fleet never ventured far enough to fall in range of the warps influence
I believe anything is possible
edit: with the new 6th edition I'm going back to my tau having played a handful of armies that are considered evil, and I want to expand on my evil streak by making a renegade/chaos tau force. Gonna be using zombie/ csm parts with my tau and looking forward to the results
p.s. I know this thread is old, but the topic is interesting
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Chaos Tau @ 2012/07/17 00:40:15
Post by: Connor MacLeod
You don't need a tie to the warp to be corrupted by chaos. Perfectly inanimate matter can be possessed/corrupted/distorted by chaos (rocks, trees, metal, water, etc.) and as far as I know they have no connections to the warp. The warp can even find a way to corrupt/hack computers (Scrapcode and data daemons, obliterator virus, etc.) Chaos is insidious in its ability to infiltrate and corrupt practically anything.
Physically they can be corrupted at least. What influence this has on their minds is another matter entirely, and open up to debate.
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Chaos Tau @ 2012/07/17 01:00:46
Post by: Coolyo294
Holy threadnomancy Batman.
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Chaos Tau @ 2012/07/17 01:44:20
Post by: Kaldor
im2randomghgh wrote:...murdering a mission of loyal sisters BEFORE the battle makes no sense, especially as they would have to fight the sisters, and risk losses on the GK side. Plus, then they have sisters who cannot fight alongside them. Plus, needing to do this implies that without it, the GK would be very much susceptible to corruption...
...Which proves that only esoteric rituals keep them from falling to chaos, rather than being special in any way.
Ok, lets get a couple of things straight.
The Bloodtide was a power of chaos. Much like the fires of Tzeentch, the Plagues of Nurgle, A Bolt of Change, A Wind of Chaos, or anything else you'd like to think of. Grey Knights have never been immune to the powers of Chaos. They rely on 'esoteric rituals' to keep them safe (re: The Aegis, for example). In order to protect themselves from this particular power of Chaos, they needed the blood of the Sisters.
It is not the powers of Chaos that are it's true weapon. It is the temptations of Chaos. Daemons and Gods make offers to people, and ask for things in return.
Everyone has a price. The High Lords, Segmentum Commanders, Planetary Lords, Inquisitors, Astartes Chapter Masters. They all have a price, and Daemons can buy them all. That is the true insidious nature of Chaos, that anyone who encounters it could become a part of it.
Anyone, except the Grey Knights. They can be blasted and destroyed by the powers of Chaos, but they will never choose to serve it. That is their immunity. Automatically Appended Next Post: Chowderhead wrote:Chaos Tau are impossible. They have no presence in the warp, thus, are incorruptible to the taint.[/quote]
Rented Tritium wrote:They couldn't be tainted in the traditional manner because of no warp contact.
riplikash wrote:There is a limit to how much corruption can effect the Tau, due to their limited warp presence.
I'm not sure what you guys are talking about.
Do the Tau want things?
Yes.
Can Daemons pretend to offer those things, in return for favours from the Tau?
Yes.
Therefore, the Tau can become the servants of Chaos.
Not having a significant warp process just means the forces of Chaos need to use an intermediary, like a cultist or someone.
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Chaos Tau @ 2012/07/17 01:53:12
Post by: MajorTom11
Threadomancy is a forbidden dark art
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