While I understand your excitement in getting the link up first, you think you could of at least posted some pics/info.?
The Imperial ice world of Betalis III is under attack from the combined might of three massive Eldar war hosts. Their motivation for attacking this seemingly insignificant planet is unknown, but General Myndoras Odon of the Cadian 6th Armoured Regiment is intent on bringing about the total destruction of these Eldar invaders. Wielding the might of three Imperial Guard regiments and joined by the savage strength of Bran Redmaw’s Great Company and the colossal power of Titans from the Legio Gryphonicus, the Eldar of Craftworld Mymeara, Craftworld Alaitoc and their Corsair allies may soon regret attacking one of the Emperor’s worlds.
Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara provides a detailed account of the Eldar invasion, as well as background and rules for its protagonists, the Eldar of Craftworlds Mymeara and Alaitoc, their Corsair kin and the forces of the Imperium. Also included are profiles for new special characters, machines of war, and a new Eldar Warrior Aspect squad, the Shadow Spectres. This 224-page full colour hardback book, written by Talima Fox, is packed with vehicle and infantry profiles, three Apocalypse datasheets, a campaign section and an Eldar Corsair army list. In addition the book also contains a detailed background and technical section covering the existing Forge World Eldar range.
Even though I do not play Eldar, I have all other imperial armour books so far and find the story elements very enjoyable to read and the quality of the books is simply amazing.
Judging by the table of contents, I'd say it's a safe bet that the Imperium loses by slightly more than a whole lot. I'm counting 6 entries for the Imperium, and while I'm glad to see the Eldar getting some spotlight, I don't really understand what FW is banking on here. When you couple the price of the book, and the fact that it's content is mostly for an army that hasn't really been all that prevalent in the last few years, I don't see this being a huge seller.
I hope they bring out a Redmaw model.
Will probably buy this in the new year as I still love eldar & guard even though I havn't bought anything for them for a while.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Shame it's cadians though.
I have to say that the Badab War books didn't really drive my imagination the way the rest of the IA books have (probably my dislike for all things power armored, I suppose), so I'm really looking forward to some quality Eldar action!
derek wrote:Judging by the table of contents, I'd say it's a safe bet that the Imperium loses by slightly more than a whole lot. I'm counting 6 entries for the Imperium, and while I'm glad to see the Eldar getting some spotlight, I don't really understand what FW is banking on here. When you couple the price of the book, and the fact that it's content is mostly for an army that hasn't really been all that prevalent in the last few years, I don't see this being a huge seller.
When you say 'banking on', they don't release books with that in mind. The whole point of this book is that the Eldar get their turn in the sun as they've not been in a proper IA book before.
bubber wrote:Note that Badab Part 1 is £45 with 208 pages while this is £42 with 224 pages.
yakface wrote:I have to say that the Badab War books didn't really drive my imagination the way the rest of the IA books have (probably my dislike for all things power armored, I suppose)
That's the only explanation I can think of. I found the Badab books to be the best of the lot as the fluff was a massive step up, both in terms of quality and writing style. It will be interesting to see if Talima Fox is a better writer and proof reader than Mr Kinrade
Just looking through the index again. I can't help but wonder what will be in the 27 pages that the Elysians take up. I would imagine it will be the full army list (again), but more suited to a winter campaign.
I would also guess that there are masses of colour plates included. There's no other explanation for the new Malcador taking up 5 pages, but Bran's company only getting 3?!.
yakface wrote:I have to say that the Badab War books didn't really drive my imagination the way the rest of the IA books have (probably my dislike for all things power armored, I suppose)
That's the only explanation I can think of. I found the Badab books to be the best of the lot as the fluff was a massive step up, both in terms of quality and writing style. It will be interesting to see if Talima Fox is a better writer and proof reader than Mr Kinrade
Actually, the Badab books were written by Allan Bligh...although he seems to have the same 'gift' for typos/errors that Warwick Kinrade has as well. And given that Talima Fox worked as an editor on Imperial Armor Apoc 2nd edition, a book with plenty of lovely issues (as always), I think its safe to assume that the standard of quality will probably remain constant.
Although I don't want to throw them under the bus too much. I know that working with a shoestring staff on huge books like this, especially those that have tons of stats and rules in them makes it incredibly, incredibly easy for issues to slip through the cracks.
But yeah, I'm not holding my breath for a big jump in consistency...I just enjoy the pretty pictures and cool stories.
yakface wrote:I have to say that the Badab War books didn't really drive my imagination the way the rest of the IA books have (probably my dislike for all things power armored, I suppose)
That's the only explanation I can think of. I found the Badab books to be the best of the lot as the fluff was a massive step up, both in terms of quality and writing style. It will be interesting to see if Talima Fox is a better writer and proof reader than Mr Kinrade
Actually, the Badab books were written by Allan Bligh...
I know. That's why I prefer the Badab books I've not read the Apocalypse books, so I was just going off the info given for her on the FW site.
Well looks like FW have continued their poor naming convention, following on from Carcharodarodons we now have 'Mymeara', something else destined to be misspelled, and who knows maybe even spawn a new meme
.. hmm, athough I guess it must be difficult to keep coming up with names for stuff.
I am excited about the prospect of more Elysian stuff with the snow theme however!
I'm the wrong person to ask, I just found out after about 15 years that I have been pronouncing Guilliman incorrectly (thanks to the new Space marine game)
I have to say that the Badab War books didn't really drive my imagination the way the rest of the IA books have (probably my dislike for all things power armored, I suppose), so I'm really looking forward to some quality Eldar action!
The campaign rules alone were worth the price for IA:9. Our group has really enjoyed playing that way. MUCH more than the Planetary Empires and the set-piece or fixed-list "campaigns" that were in the Seige of Vraks.
This book also has campaign rules that I can't wait to see, since we're winding down our current campaign.
The Eldar player in our group has been waiting impatiently for this book since this summer.
HoverBoy wrote:Oh goody more marine options.
What are you talking about? Looking at the Table of Contents, there's 3 pages on Space Marines in this book. Two of them are probably this page:
Badab War bored me as I find Space Marines to be the most boring thing in 40k. This will catch my interest as I like Eldar vs Imperial fluff in general due to the complexities that can arise from it. The 3-part Vraks war was great in my opinion as a Chaos player because it showcased what a true Chaos war should be: not only CSM but also legions of heretics, mutants, beastmen, traitor titans, and daemons.
As for the title, the Doom of Mymeara is clearly why the Eldar are attacking in the first place. They are seeking to destroy something on the planet that will bring about the Doom Mymeara. Of course as this is IA and this isn't against chaos, the Imperium will lose. However at the same time the Eldar will just leave after completing their objective, and the Imperium will think it won.
AFAIK first GW/FW rulebook credited to a woman (so of course the pantsy Eldar will win ):
Talima Fox
Talima is the third Forge World Writer, and Editor, and her first project with us will be proofing, writing and editing the final draft of the forthcoming Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara
Anyway, here the newsletter #292:
Hi there,
Just when you thought Forge World had revealed all of its pre-Christmas releases, in today’s newsletter we are delighted to announce that Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara is now available to order.
Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara
The Imperial ice world of Betalis III is under attack from the combined might of three massive Eldar war hosts. Their motivation for attacking this seemingly insignificant planet is unknown, but General Myndoras Odon of the Cadian 6th Armoured Regiment is intent on bringing about the total destruction of these Eldar invaders.
Wielding the might of three Imperial Guard regiments and joined by the savage strength of Bran Redmaw’s Great Company and the colossal power of Titans from the Legio Gryphonicus, the Eldar of Craftworld Mymeara, Craftworld Alaitoc and their Corsair allies may soon regret attacking one of the Emperor’s worlds.
Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara provides a detailed account of the Eldar invasion, as well as background and rules for its protagonists, the Eldar of Craftworlds Mymeara and Alaitoc, their Corsair kin and the forces of the Imperium. Also included are profiles for new special characters, machines of war, and a new Eldar Warrior Aspect squad, the Shadow Spectres.
This 224-page full colour hardback book, written by Talima Fox, is packed with vehicle and infantry profiles, three Apocalypse datasheets, a campaign section and an Eldar Corsair army list. In addition the book also contains a detailed background and technical section covering the existing Forge World Eldar range.
We’re still able to ensure pre-Christmas delivery for this book as long as you select Express delivery when you place your order. The first 500 copies of this eagerly awaited book ordered either online or over the telephone will also be signed by the author, Talima Fox, making an ideal Christmas gift for any fan of Warhammer 40,000.
Christmas Order Deadlines and Festive Opening Hours (...)
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World
endtransmission wrote: It will be interesting to see if Talima Fox is a better writer and proof reader than Mr Kinrade
Well, since I want to highlight all the mistakes in the Black Library books and send them to BL and ask if they actually employ editors, it isn't surprising that a GW offshoot that sells resin products wouldn't edit their books very well either.
But the Forge World books are MUCH too expensive to highlight in and send back. And really, while still sad, if the "professional" literary-wing can't do their editing in a half- manner, I am not as upset by FW.
The FW books are beautiful and convey what they're designed to be. The BL books are JUST words, and when they're misspelled or, idiotically, correctly spelled words inserted by some kind of 'spell check' program instead of the original word, you just wonder WTF? Why are these people even employed? This is a professional product, designed solely to make money on a mass market, and still its churned out. However, the FW books are low production run, niche market items.
Pacific wrote:I'm the wrong person to ask, I just found out after about 15 years that I have been pronouncing Guilliman incorrectly (thanks to the new Space marine game)
Gee-yee-mon?
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lord_blackfang wrote:Just IG and Panzees? Pass.
And this is why there are always more Marine products ...
Pacific wrote:I'm the wrong person to ask, I just found out after about 15 years that I have been pronouncing Guilliman incorrectly (thanks to the new Space marine game)
Kroothawk wrote:
Talima is the third Forge World Writer, and Editor, and her first project with us will be proofing, writing and editing the final draft of the forthcoming Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara
Doesn't having the same person do the writing as well as the editing and proofreading partly defeat the purpose of the last two?
The Eldar that feature are a newly-introduced Craftworld Mymerra and the well-known Craftworld Alaitoc; Alaitoc is well known for its love of Rangers, trade, and close-relation with corsairs.
The book is titled the Doom of Mymeara (name of a craftworld).
Analysisbased purple on titles alone:
Chapter One: Ghosts in the Shadows. Eldar are ghostyshadowy all the time. This is the "something's not right here, oh it's Eldar" chapter. Inevitably, it's the IG Cadians having skirmishes with Mymeara Eldar.
Chapter Two: The Silence Ends. Eldar stop being ghostyshadowy and bring in war machines. This is probably Alaitoc joining the battle. They have big stuff because they're big.
Chapter Three: Dark Times. The stores are from the Imperial perspective. Dark Times means they're losing the battle. Oh noes! Hang in there Cadians!
Chapter Four: The Tide Turns. SPESS MAHREENS! We're saved! They also brought over some Elysians, I guess. Eldar are fought back. A couple Avatars of Khaine are also beaten back; after all, the Avatar is the punching bag of the "modern" era, preferred by both Space Marines and Tyranids alike. All three pages of Space Marines share a bro-fist-bump with one another (not Necrons) and go home.
That is my analysis of the book based purple on the titles.
Pacific wrote:I'm the wrong person to ask, I just found out after about 15 years that I have been pronouncing Guilliman incorrectly (thanks to the new Space marine game)
Off topic, but I thought it was Gull-y-Man.
Is it Gill -y- man?
Gee-yee-man?
Yes I thought it was Gully-man also.
But, Space Marine pronounces it 'Gwuilly man'. Like, if you say 'willy' and add a G to the front. Gwilly man, or gwiellyman. I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere?
FW apparently doesn't want my money, the site keeps declining my card...
BTW, in case you didn't notice, if you look closely at the scan of the Shadow Specters entry:
new unit size 3-6 minis (now you dont have to leave an extra mini at home because you want an exarch!)
weapon range is 18" base, but only increases 6" instead of 12" for each mini joining the combined shot
Each mini can also fire a small blast template with bolter stats as an anti-personnel option
Oh, and the combined shot is now a small blast as well
Pacific wrote:I'm the wrong person to ask, I just found out after about 15 years that I have been pronouncing Guilliman incorrectly (thanks to the new Space marine game)
Off topic, but I thought it was Gull-y-Man.
Is it Gill -y- man?
Gee-yee-man?
Yes I thought it was Gully-man also.
But, Space Marine pronounces it 'Gwuilly man'. Like, if you say 'willy' and add a G to the front. Gwilly man, or gwiellyman. I'm sure there is a joke in there somewhere?
And in the first Garro audio drama it sounds like Goo-lee-man.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Should we take bets on how badly the Imperium loses this one?
Why would they? The Eldar will obviously get their asses handed to them. The book is called "The Doom of Mymaera". Mymaera is a craftworld. The last chapter is also called "The Tide Turns". Imperium will probably win a major victory.
chaos0xomega wrote:FW apparently doesn't want my money, the site keeps declining my card...
Possibly a silly question, but have you checked that the problem isn't your card?
Yes. Mastercard told me to check with my financial institution, my financial institution told me to check with mastercard...
Mastercard always gives FW problems. They've had to rework their site several times to accept it, and every time they've done it--it suddenly happens again half a month later.
If you can wait, we'll see IA11 on the GW site proper for around $75 but without shipping costs tacked on around the middle of January. They have to wait for a decent stock level(usually around 1k books) to reach Memphis, and then the webteam puts it up on the US site.
Kanluwen wrote:Mastercard always gives FW problems. They've had to rework their site several times to accept it, and every time they've done it--it suddenly happens again half a month later.
If you can wait, we'll see IA11 on the GW site proper for around $75 but without shipping costs tacked on around the middle of January. They have to wait for a decent stock level(usually around 1k books) to reach Memphis, and then the webteam puts it up on the US site.
So, Kan, the question is who at Mastercard got such a bad miscast back in the day that they're trying to prevent people buying FW products?
Pacific wrote:I'm the wrong person to ask, I just found out after about 15 years that I have been pronouncing Guilliman incorrectly (thanks to the new Space marine game)
Off topic, but I thought it was Gull-y-Man.
Is it Gill -y- man?
Gee-yee-man?
I have to go with the way Alan Merrit pronounces it:
And this is why there are always more Marine products ...
I was going to write "Just IG, Panzees and Space Furries? Pass." But the SW only get a special character, so I gave them a pass. There's still 3 Ork klanz that need doing, right?
TBD wrote:I am not so sure that is it. If it is supposed to be pronounced à la Française then that would not be it.
Omelette du fromage!
You’d think, and for years I’d pronounced the surname with a soft ‘g’, so a bit like ‘Ju-lih-mann’ (although were it proper French you probably wouldn’t pronounce the ‘n’ at the end of the word). But then their head of IP comes along and pronounces Roboute like an African name with three hard-sounding syllables and a silly sounding surname, and that’s the way it is.
TBD wrote:Reminds me of the huge fight the nerds @ Privateer's forum had a couple of years ago about how Khador is pronounced.
Lemme guess – some said Kah-door and others say Kay-door, right?
Then again I have loads of woefully inaccurate pronunciations in my head. I pronounced C'tan as C-tan (letter C + Tan) and lord knows how some of these Daemons are actually meant to be pronounced (like Ix'thar'ganix)
lord_blackfang wrote:I was going to write "Just IG, Panzees and Space Furries? Pass." But the SW only get a special character, so I gave them a pass. There's still 3 Ork klanz that need doing, right?
Don't forget the Apocalypse datasheet, lord_blackfang
Brother Bartius wrote:What, no mention of the Firestorm?
Everything else Eldar that FW have produced seems to be there.
I'd guess the reason for this is either tthat he Firestorm is going to be in the next codex, or far more likely, it is lumped into the Falcon entry as a variant along with Fire Prisms & Night Spinners (both of which aren't listed either in the table of contents).
Hey guys, can we quit talking about how to pronounce Roboute Guilliman and get back to talking about IA11? Take it to one of the millions of primarch related threads out there.
The book's finally coming out, the Imperium will lose (obviously), it'll have some new new rules and fluff and typographical errors, and we'll all just end up bitching about whether you need your opponent's permission to use it. Isn't that how all FW threads go?
I'd much rather discuss the pronunciation of the world's silliest Primarch name (well, second silliest - Ferrus Manus wins first prize).
Apparently this is no place for humor either. I kinda think the Imperium will fair better than alot of people think. Regardless it looks great and being a Space Wolf nut since Rogue Trader means I will have to have it.
Bikeninja wrote:Apparently this is no place for humor either.
News & Rumors = SRS BSNS.
Maybe it's just me, but this book and the associated releases aren't/havn't been totally exciting. Yes, the Phantom was awesome to see. But it's one more thing I will never buy. Yes, the Shadow Spetcres were pretty awesome, too. But, again, barring being able to use them in regular games, this is another thing I will never buy. The Cadian winter stuff was (to me) something of a let-down. Finally, all this stuff has been coming out at a trickle for a long, long while. And, just as a book, totally discounting the models, I just think this release somehow pales next to the Badab extravaganza. I mean, I'm as moderately interested in Eldar as the next guy -- key word: moderately. When I said earlier that there was a reason that there will always be more marine products, I wasn't attempting snark.
Manchu wrote:Yes, the Shadow Spetcres were pretty awesome, too. But, again, barring being able to use them in regular games, this is another thing I will never buy..
Out of interest, what/who is stopping you using the Shadow Spectres, their Phoenix Lord, and/or the Falcon chassis variants in your regular (non-tournament) games?
I don't know what you're talking about. I bought a squad of Shadow Spectres a while back as counts-as Swooping Hawks.
I almost do wish that Eldar got less big-huge-titan stuff that 3 people in the world would buy and more smaller stuff. I absolutely love the Hornet; it's adorable.
Dysartes wrote:Out of interest, what/who is stopping you using the Shadow Spectres, their Phoenix Lord, and/or the Falcon chassis variants in your regular (non-tournament) games?
Dysartes wrote:Out of interest, what/who is stopping you using the Shadow Spectres, their Phoenix Lord, and/or the Falcon chassis variants in your regular (non-tournament) games?
You really want to start that argument?
Not looking to start a debate, more looking to find out which case applies here.
Fair enough then. I like to surprise people with my trio of Reavers. I break their models if they refuse to play me. Not my fault they chose Dark Angels as their army.
I'm not telling the truth, BTW. It was a Blood Angel army.
Manchu wrote:Yes, the Shadow Spetcres were pretty awesome, too. But, again, barring being able to use them in regular games, this is another thing I will never buy..
Out of interest, what/who is stopping you using the Shadow Spectres, their Phoenix Lord, and/or the Falcon chassis variants in your regular (non-tournament) games?
I was trying to find a video on youtube of the final scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark, where the Nazis open the Ark and all of them melt. Unfortunately it was impossible to find the original without stupid dubbed over voices. But, my point remains
It would have been cool to see some more snow related stuff (I don't know, Cadians in furs or something?), but I'll reserve judgement until I see what Elysian stuff is coming, the army that will forever be my unobtainable dream
I've been waiting for ages for this book to drop. Now that it has I still have to wait for them to put the Mk IIb Land Raider back up for sale before I can make my free delivery order.
Manchu wrote:Yes, the Shadow Spetcres were pretty awesome, too. But, again, barring being able to use them in regular games, this is another thing I will never buy..
Out of interest, what/who is stopping you using the Shadow Spectres, their Phoenix Lord, and/or the Falcon chassis variants in your regular (non-tournament) games?
I was trying to find a video on youtube of the final scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark, where the Nazis open the Ark and all of them melt. Unfortunately it was impossible to find the original without stupid dubbed over voices. But, my point remains
And this is why there are always more Marine products ...
I was going to write "Just IG, Panzees and Space Furries? Pass." But the SW only get a special character, so I gave them a pass. There's still 3 Ork klanz that need doing, right?
To be fair, even the Ork book (IA:8) had a marine special character
chaos0xomega wrote:FW apparently doesn't want my money, the site keeps declining my card...
Possibly a silly question, but have you checked that the problem isn't your card?
Yes. Mastercard told me to check with my financial institution, my financial institution told me to check with mastercard...
Mastercard always gives FW problems. They've had to rework their site several times to accept it, and every time they've done it--it suddenly happens again half a month later.
If you can wait, we'll see IA11 on the GW site proper for around $75 but without shipping costs tacked on around the middle of January. They have to wait for a decent stock level(usually around 1k books) to reach Memphis, and then the webteam puts it up on the US site.
Also, sometimes your carrier will need permission to make international transactions. I didn't check your flag, chaos0xomega, but I know that I have had to call my card carriers before and let them know that I will be using my cards internationally and then they worked just fine.
And this is why there are always more Marine products ...
I was going to write "Just IG, Panzees and Space Furries? Pass." But the SW only get a special character, so I gave them a pass. There's still 3 Ork klanz that need doing, right?
To be fair, even the Ork book (IA:8) had a marine special character
Yeah, FW and GW should totally not produce that which sells not only well, but the best!
Ordered.
Looks great, if the campaign is as well written as the Taros book Xmas reading will be all the better.
Nice to see the Eldar getting a bit of a spotlight too.
Can elysians do blobs in their FW army list? I always figured they were more elite, small unit tactics like veteran squads. You could always just use them as regular IG now that they too get valkyries with the current codex.
Hooray, it's finally for sale, i've been anticipating this book for some time
Does anyone know when or if GW will stock it on their website/brick and mortars? I'm feeling rather cheap and am wanting to avoid the postage cost of Forgeworld.
warboss wrote:Can elysians do blobs in their FW army list? I always figured they were more elite, small unit tactics like veteran squads. You could always just use them as regular IG now that they too get valkyries with the current codex.
Yeah they can blob up. I'm more displeased by the fact that these elite Guardsmen can't take more than one special weapon in their command squads but I digress.
warboss wrote:Can elysians do blobs in their FW army list? I always figured they were more elite, small unit tactics like veteran squads. You could always just use them as regular IG now that they too get valkyries with the current codex.
Check IA8, it has an up to date list, IIRC yes they can, but you can't take valkyrie transports for them.
Manchu wrote:How do you pronounce Maiyemeaueara anyhow?
Picture the count from sesame street saying "my mirror"
Automatically Appended Next Post: On the subject of pronunciations, can people please stop pronouncing "vindicare" in 3 syllables? There are no silent "e"s in latin. tia
A Kvlt Ghost wrote:On the subject of pronunciations, can people please stop pronouncing "vindicare" in 3 syllables? There are no silent "e"s in latin. tia
Then tell us how to say it. It sure looks like "VIND -EE-CARE" to me.
Reecius wrote:Awesome, I am definitely getting this since I play Eldar, Wolves and Guard!
Lol, if that happened to me, I'd make sure I was getting a prerelease signed copy since it's apparently custom made for your collection! Now, if only the Tau, Cadians, and Blood Angels would get a book together...
Only really had a brief flick through, as usual looks great, the art and design work being first class.
The Corsair list seems like it'll be fun to play.
Is, understandably, somewhat heavy on the FW models front. Looks like it woulc/could be fun to play with/against.
: HQ :
Corsair Prince - can take a "command squad" type unit.
Void Dreamer -- psyker
Elites :
Voidstorm squad -- jet pack veterans unit.
harlequins
Craftworld outcasts -- a single FA or Elite from codex Eldar can be taken as an elite choice here.
DE Kabalite warriors -- restricted numbers due to theri untrustworthiness.
Troops
Corsair squad
wasp assault walkers
corsair jetbikes
-- Falcons and venoms as transports for some/most infantry squads.
Fast
Hornet squadron
Nightwing interceptor
Night spinner
Heavy
Phoenix bomber
warp hunter
firestrom
A few nice wargear options and rules here and there.
Bran Redmaw does indeed have 2 profiles -- 1 normal and 1 when he wolfs out. He seems quite fun and fair, nice to have some more SW characters too IMO.
Even with just that simple outline of the list I'm thinking that Corsairs are going to be a tad broken, its certainly more powerful than anything the Eldar codex can produce unless there have been some massive point cost changes. Sure you can't get Dragons (well 1 unit will have to be enough for Land Raider duties), but even more widespread access to S6 shooting (particularly on platforms which are more durable), various fliers and support vehicles to fill gaps in your list (notably the Warp Hunter which is now a solid tank hunting unit), potentially useful troops (I know they can get Fusion Guns which is a good start) and most importantly access to both the Venom and the Falcon, which are probably the two most powerful transports in the game for anti infantry and anti tank (+ durability) respectively. Its not 'Dreads assaulting from Drop Pods' broken, but I can see it being 'Autocannons on Chimeras' broken.
Alpharius wrote:I think he's going for VIND-EE-CAR-AY.
Aye I actually think "vindicar" would have been a better name, but hey.
On that note, the "ever" in "eversor" should be pronounced the way it is in "reverse", not the way it is in "never" (it's a derivative of "evert")
I'll go away now,
Yet there are more than 1 acceptable ways to pronounce "Dance". "Melbourne" and "Brisbane" are pronounced differently by Australians to how you'd imagine by their spelling patterns. Regional accents and dialects will always change and effect the pronunciation of words. Don't get too wrapped up in this stuff.
Powerguy wrote:Its not 'Dreads assaulting from Drop Pods' broken, but I can see it being 'Autocannons on Chimeras' broken.
I'm intrigued - could you elaborate on the concept of something being "'Autocannons on Chimeras' broken"?
Generally people moan about individual Forgeworld units being broken (which they have got much better at, recent releases are far more balanced), i.e the Dread comment. I'm referring to lists, which they still screw up occasionally with easily spamable units or stupidly powerful combos (which are not the fault of a single unit by itself). Autocannons on Chimeras is obviously an upgrade for Guard armies, which pushes them in broken territory because they are so cheap and easy to spam. Chimeras/Guard already do pretty well with S6 shooting, but mass S7 shooting in an army which is already powerful pushes them to a level above any standard codex army. At first glance the Corsairs list looks similar, no single unit seems overpowered, but the combinations available for massed S6 shooting and AV12 spam (if Falcons are dedicated transports they are very powerful) make the overall list very powerful.
Autocannons on Chimeras has never been 'broken'. It was a trade-off that changed the role of your Chimera. Multi-Lasers and (slightly more costly) Autocannons are balanced against one another as they're both good at what they do, but they do different things. It means there's a real choice there.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Autocannons on Chimeras has never been 'broken'. It was a trade-off that changed the role of your Chimera. Multi-Lasers and (slightly more costly) Autocannons are balanced against one another as they're both good at what they do, but they do different things. It means there's a real choice there.
Autocannons are stupidly cheap at 5pts and are on a cheap vehicle to start with. They hardly do different things from the Multilaser either, you lose 1 shot but gain S and AP, so are slightly less effective against MEQ but are far more effective against MCs and vehicles (i.e the heavy hitters you want to kill in the first place). The real issue is how easy they are to spam, Guard are powerful to start with and this is a 5pt upgrade across the board which massively increases your killing power. Its hard enough dealing with Hydras, Manticores and other heavy hitters, but if there are now 10+ (being conservative here) Chimeras blasting your vehicles to pieces nothing is going to stand in front of you. I realise its not a broken as Dreads charging from Deep Strike, but it does push Guard into a level well above any GW codex, which is enough for me to call it broken.
I heard Volume 12 is called the Morros Incident. Any word on who the opponent is? I suppose only Dark Eldar/Necrons are left now.
It'd actually be quite cool of them to expand upon one of the lesser but powerful alien empires mentioned. Ulumeathic League, Dracolith Church, Reek Worldweave, Hrud, Draxian Hegemony, Barghesi Hordes, or someone new. Of course that won't happen....
Obvious Troll is obvious. It's an Eldar-centric book dude, with a smattering of Marines.
As Kanluwen once wisely said, The books are called Imperial Armour. By definition, one faction sort of has to be Marines or Guard.
You mean like how all Black Library books are about Eldar or the Black Library? Oh wait....
Names are just that and are not binding nor restrictive. 40K doesn't purely take place only in the 40th millenium. 20th Century Fox can still apply to products produced since the 21st Century began.
Eh. That explains why I didn't care enough to remember it.
A "Penitent Regiment" will most likely be one of three things:
A) So incredibly boring it won't interest me.
B) So incredibly cliche that it won't interest me.
or
C) Krieg, so it won't interest me too much.
I'm betting on C, as they've hinted that Krieg will be getting new stuff but it won't be for the Siege Army list.
Iracundus wrote:You mean like how all Black Library books are about Eldar or the Black Library? Oh wait....
Names are just that and are not binding nor restrictive. 40K doesn't purely take place only in the 40th millenium. 20th Century Fox can still apply to products produced since the 21st Century began.
Originally, it did start out as a binding/restrictive piece. Now it's just become too ingrained in how they like doing things to want to move on from there. They also recognize, rightly so, that the Imperium plays a pretty pivotal role in the overall structure of the galaxy.
Dysartes wrote:Out of interest, what/who is stopping you using the Shadow Spectres, their Phoenix Lord, and/or the Falcon chassis variants in your regular (non-tournament) games?
You really want to start that argument?
Not looking to start a debate, more looking to find out which case applies here.
It's official, but a supplement (hence why it carries the Warhammer 40000 Supplement tag), so it's not a core book (the rulebook states the rulebook and codices are the core books), thus is something you and your opponent agree to use. But basically, make a list with an without them, and ask your opponent if you can use them.
Iracundus wrote:You mean like how all Black Library books are about Eldar or the Black Library? Oh wait....
Names are just that and are not binding nor restrictive. 40K doesn't purely take place only in the 40th millenium. 20th Century Fox can still apply to products produced since the 21st Century began.
Originally, it did start out as a binding/restrictive piece. Now it's just become too ingrained in how they like doing things to want to move on from there. They also recognize, rightly so, that the Imperium plays a pretty pivotal role in the overall structure of the galaxy.
The whipping boys.
The excuse is as tired and as empty as when Black Library used it when they claimed they would never produce any book other than those from the POV of humans and the Imperium. Now they have an Eldar trilogy nearly completed and a Dark Eldar novel in the works. If BL can do it, so can FW. GW themselves in 3rd edition tried that angle with their pamphlet Codex design with only Imperial viewpoints, resulting in new xenos players knowing nothing about the faction they've spent money on. GW have since backpedaled on that stance as a failure and now their Codex layout includes background once more from a 3rd party narrator POV, including information that is not known to humanity or the Imperium in general. If GW can do it, so can FW.
There are plenty of xenos on xenos conflicts that can add flavor to the 40K universe if explored, from the Battle for Iyanden to the Tyranids vs. Orks on Octavius or the struggles between the old enemies of the Necrons and the Eldar. The 40K universe would be that much poorer if the story of Iyanden (as told first in Doom of the Eldar, then Defence of Iyanden WD article, and retold in the Tyranid and Eldar Codices since) had never been explored simply because humans were not involved directly.
Iracundus wrote:The excuse is as tired and as empty as when Black Library used it when they claimed they would never produce any book other than those from the POV of humans and the Imperium. Now they have an Eldar trilogy nearly completed and a Dark Eldar novel in the works. If BL can do it, so can FW.
It also depends on if they want to. Black Library has books from xenos point of view? Good for the authors that wrote the books. If Forgeworld authors don't want to write from a xnoes perspective, they don't have to.
Iracundus wrote:The excuse is as tired and as empty as when Black Library used it when they claimed they would never produce any book other than those from the POV of humans and the Imperium. Now they have an Eldar trilogy nearly completed and a Dark Eldar novel in the works. If BL can do it, so can FW.
It also depends on if they want to. Black Library has books from xenos point of view? Good for the authors that wrote the books. If Forgeworld authors don't want to write from a xnoes perspective, they don't have to.
You seem to miss the point. FW have claimed as BL did in the past that xenos in 40K are so alien that it is impossible to write from their perspective, which was what GW tried to claim for the Codices in 3rd edition. That excuse promptly went out the window and now they have no problem doing so, while FW clings to the old excuse of it not being possible. The existence of such releases from GW and BL and their backpedaling on their former position demonstrates otherwise. It is possible. Trying to keep claiming it isn't possible is a transparent excuse.
Ultimately also it is generally a poor idea to not give customers what they express as their preferences. Do it long enough and they just might go elsewhere with their money. FW for a time were producing endless slight variations of Leman Russ tanks, which might be what the FW treadheads wanted to do, but it seems even the customer base eventually tired of what were essentially minor cosmetic variations of the same thing because FW since has done greater variation with even their Imperial kits.
Kanluwen wrote:Originally, it did start out as a binding/restrictive piece. Now it's just become too ingrained in how they like doing things to want to move on from there. They also recognize, rightly so, that the Imperium plays a pretty pivotal role in the overall structure of the galaxy.
Plus, like it not, the Imperium is the lens through which we view the 40K universe. It is rare that we ever see something from the 'other side'.
Kanluwen wrote:Originally, it did start out as a binding/restrictive piece. Now it's just become too ingrained in how they like doing things to want to move on from there. They also recognize, rightly so, that the Imperium plays a pretty pivotal role in the overall structure of the galaxy.
Plus, like it not, the Imperium is the lens through which we view the 40K universe. It is rare that we ever see something from the 'other side'.
The fact 2nd edition and more recently the current edition's Codices show background and information from an omniscient POV rather than just the in-universe Imperial perspective shows that isn't the case. The existence of such detailed accounts such as the Battle for Iyanden shows it again isn't the impossible task it's made out to be. We see quotes all the time from characters in xenos Codices, instead of them being completely faceless enemies as they were in 3rd edition pamphlet Codices. This means it is possible to translate and understand what they say and mean. We've had major parts of BL novels such as Shadow Point or more recently parts of the Word Bearer novels told from the perspective of an alien.
The fact it occurs at all means it is not impossible. The existence of even 1 example is sufficient to disprove it as impossible.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Or they're just the exception that proves the rule.
They are more than "just the exception" when the GW the parent company backpedals on an entire Codex design paradigm and when BL appears to be pumping out more xenos novels despite earlier claiming they would never do even one. We have things such as Planetstrike showing Orks vs. Tyranids and some of their emotions and reactions. When rest of the GW franchise seems to have abandoned such a position entirely, it is rather FW's position that is proving to be more the exception to the rule.
Iracundus wrote:Ultimately also it is generally a poor idea to not give customers what they express as their preferences. Do it long enough and they just might go elsewhere with their money. FW for a time were producing endless slight variations of Leman Russ tanks, which might be what the FW treadheads wanted to do, but it seems even the customer base eventually tired of what were essentially minor cosmetic variations of the same thing because FW since has done greater variation with even their Imperial kits.
Out of interest what, other than your own opinion, do you offer as evidence that FW are not catering to the interests of their customers?
One could argue that, to date, from a background perspective FW are catering to Xenos players' preferences, given the only opponent the Imperium seems able to defeat is Chaos* (after three books).
* - I haven't heard who wins the IA11 campaign yet.
Iracundus wrote:Ultimately also it is generally a poor idea to not give customers what they express as their preferences. Do it long enough and they just might go elsewhere with their money. FW for a time were producing endless slight variations of Leman Russ tanks, which might be what the FW treadheads wanted to do, but it seems even the customer base eventually tired of what were essentially minor cosmetic variations of the same thing because FW since has done greater variation with even their Imperial kits.
Out of interest what, other than your own opinion, do you offer as evidence that FW are not catering to the interests of their customers?
I and others in the past, such as some posters from the Warseer forums, have in the past in the process of ordering from FW offered feedback when requested, along the lines of how some xenos vs. xenos books would be interesting and break up the monotony of yet another Imperium vs. other. The response from FW though not exactly identical in wording, basically took the line of "We have heard what you said you would like, but we are not going to ever do it."
One could argue that, to date, from a background perspective FW are catering to Xenos players' preferences, given the only opponent the Imperium seems able to defeat is Chaos* (after three books).
The Imperium wins a victory against the Tau in Tactica Aeronautica. Though the Tau claimed strategic victory based on supposedly effecting a change in the Imperium's force positioning, their force was nearly wiped out and they lost another one of their supposedly new Custodian class battleship size carriers. Given another Custodian was lost during the Taros campaign of Imperial Armour 3, it is not exactly an auspicious start for the class.
The Anphelion Project was not exactly an Imperial defeat because the Tyranids are destroyed in the subsequent Exterminatus and it was all revealed to be part of some internal politics within the Inquisition.
Harriticus wrote:I heard Volume 12 is called the Morros Incident. Any word on who the opponent is? I suppose only Dark Eldar/Necrons are left now.
It'd actually be quite cool of them to expand upon one of the lesser but powerful alien empires mentioned. Ulumeathic League, Dracolith Church, Reek Worldweave, Hrud, Draxian Hegemony, Barghesi Hordes, or someone new. Of course that won't happen....
They could expand, in background. Models? Unlikely as they won't have enough to form a army.
chaos0xomega wrote:Then you should pay more attention:
Nice. The penal troopers are resin.... Any chance on a 40k dungeon styled terrain? AS labyrinth and minotaurs sounds like some would take place inside.
Still, IA 11 is the subject so Alaitoc and a frozen world > Necrons as 3rd party?
-Loki- wrote:It's official, but a supplement (hence why it carries the Warhammer 40000 Supplement tag), so it's not a core book (the rulebook states the rulebook and codices are the core books), thus is something you and your opponent agree to use. But basically, make a list with an without them, and ask your opponent if you can use them.
Seriously? This argument again[i]? It's insipid, legalistic and the kind of arrant pedantry that the 40k game is terribly unsuitable for. You're talking about a game where a roll-off between players is an accepted method of argument resolution, and you've decided to fabricate this complex fantasy of layers of jurisdiction and tiers of officialdom.
My copy just arrived (on a Sunday - gotta love extra Xmas deliveries!). Front cover got a littlle dinged in transit though.
It all looks typically lovely, especially the inner front and back cover pieces (Titans and Elysians booking it across the snow). As Red said earlier, Bran Redmaw looks like fun, as does the IG General. Has the Wraithseer been seen before (not too up on Eldar)? He seems like he'd be amusing to run.
Dissappointed that the Xeno coverage is already over before even the released DE models get a minute in the spotlight. Just putting/hiding them in a second print of a book I already own is lame. So another 5 years with only IG tanks.
Iracundus wrote:
I and others in the past, such as some posters from the Warseer forums, have in the past in the process of ordering from FW offered feedback when requested, along the lines of how some xenos vs. xenos books would be interesting and break up the monotony of yet another Imperium vs. other. The response from FW though not exactly identical in wording, basically took the line of "We have heard what you said you would like, but we are not going to ever do it."
Some fanboys on an internet forum does NOT equal anything close to a majority. The reason so much marine stuff (and there imperial stuff) comes out is simply that so much marine stuff is bought. People like our co owner Yak here who have signatures like "Friends don't let friends start MEQ armies" are not the majority. We, as internet forum 40k fans, are not always indicative of the general 40k playing population. Locally, EVERY player in my group except two (so roughly 18 out of 20) has a loyalist marine of some flavor. The second most favorite army? IG. Orks are the thrid. There are enough flavors of Imperial armies that FW could keep doing Imperial vs Anyone books and still not cover every Emperor loving flavor out there. A xenos vs xenos book simply isn't likely to happen because that would exclude most 40k players from the customer base (which is never a good idea for a business).
Iracundus wrote:
I and others in the past, such as some posters from the Warseer forums, have in the past in the process of ordering from FW offered feedback when requested, along the lines of how some xenos vs. xenos books would be interesting and break up the monotony of yet another Imperium vs. other. The response from FW though not exactly identical in wording, basically took the line of "We have heard what you said you would like, but we are not going to ever do it."
Some fanboys on an internet forum does NOT equal anything close to a majority. The reason so much marine stuff (and there imperial stuff) comes out is simply that so much marine stuff is bought. People like our co owner Yak here who have signatures like "Friends don't let friends start MEQ armies" are not the majority. We, as internet forum 40k fans, are not always indicative of the general 40k playing population. Locally, EVERY player in my group except two (so roughly 18 out of 20) has a loyalist marine of some flavor. The second most favorite army? IG. Orks are the thrid. There are enough flavors of Imperial armies that FW could keep doing Imperial vs Anyone books and still not cover every Emperor loving flavor out there. A xenos vs xenos book simply isn't likely to happen because that would exclude most 40k players from the customer base (which is never a good idea for a business).
You're actually looking at it from the wrong angle.
The reason "so much Marine stuff" and "so much Imperial Guard stuff" gets released has more to do with the fact that the sculptor/designer types at FW play Imperial armies by and large. They're under no obligation to present a "balanced" release schedule. They do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want.
If they wanted to do a Xenos v. Xenos army book, they'd do it.
If they wanted to do a flying Basilisk tank which shot Primarchs out of its cannon, they'd do it.
They just don't want to. The biggest reason for the "no Xenos v. Xenos" book has traditionally been they feel "uncomfortable" writing from a Xenos perspective, since the Xenos background is one of the ones which changes the most often. Not always in a big way, but they do occasionally change up some big stuff. It's so much easier for them to write from the perspective of the Imperium simply because the Imperium and its motivations, etc have not changed much over the years. The Xenos present in those books can then be said to be "divergent factions" if the fluff gets altered.
Kanluwen wrote:If they wanted to do a flying Basilisk tank which shot Primarchs out of its cannon, they'd do it.
You might be onto something here... the first angry marines apocalypse tank! Strength D small blast template cannon that leaves a primarch under the template after models are removed!!!
As for the looking from the wrong angle, the consumer angle is never the wrong one from my perspective. It's frankly the most important one to me. While I do theoretically support FW designers spreading their creative wings, I'd rather they not do so at the expense of most of their player base. Xenos and chaos make for perfect tail sides to the Imperial Head side of the Imperial Armor book coin. A vocal minority of players peppering internet forums doesn't equal sales in the real world.
H.B.M.C. wrote:Should we take bets on how badly the Imperium loses this one?
They will win because the Space Wolves are fighting.
Watch the video with Talima Fox, the author.
She basically says that even if the Imperium won, there's "different levels of victory" meaning it's likely a case of the Eldar "fled" after accomplishing their objectives.
To be honest I don't want anything from the Zeno pov, I like the fact that they are an enigma for the most part. I like that I have to stretch my imagination to understand where they are coming from. Its also refreshing to see there are no clear cut victors, its possible for both sides to achieve their aims and for their opponants to still see their own win.
As for the cash side of it, I heard that Castrel Novem wasn't a huge success sales wise, hense the need to get Imp players in the fold to drive sales....which is the whole point, isn't it?
As for this book, am waiting for mine, to keep my set complete and to keep my Elar/Wolves and Guard armies up to date with the newest shinies. God bless the FW sculpters for keeping me poor and happy!
Kroothawk wrote:Well the next two books have none, so no more Xeno coverage for a year, not even on the released models.
We don't know what the next two books have. We know IA 12 has Tzeentch and Imperial Penitent Regiment. Its possible that there is a third faction included in the book (unlikely).
IA13 is completely unknown to us... regardless, Forgeworld has drastically sped up their development cycle, they have been putting out 2+ books a year as of late, it wouldn't surprise me if IA 13 was released this time next year.
I hope I get my book tomorrow...I cant wait to see how much of a whipping the Elysians take.....Also cant wait for the Drop Commisar Lord Model which has repeatedly been dangled.
chaos0xomega wrote:
IA13 is completely unknown to us... regardless, Forgeworld has drastically sped up their development cycle, they have been putting out 2+ books a year as of late, it wouldn't surprise me if IA 13 was released this time next year.
It's not that they're speeding up their development cycle, it's that they've got more authors now.
BrookM wrote:Okay I'm curious, how horribly did the Elysians do in this book?
Lovepug13 wrote:I hope I get my book tomorrow...I cant wait to see how much of a whipping the Elysians take.....Also cant wait for the Drop Commisar Lord Model which has repeatedly been dangled.
Spoiler:
The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.
The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.
D:
So do the Imperials get any sort of new list at all?
The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.
D:
So do the Imperials get any sort of new list at all?
Spoiler:
Nope sorry all the recent releases CRASSUS etc and a couple of characters. Its mainly an eldar book they get a corsairs list and all the eldar vehicles are in from war walkers up to phantom titans.
The elysians survive amazingly, they have a very small part ro play in the book and don't see much action. No extra rules for elysians and no mention of any Commisar charesters sorry, maybe next book.
D:
So do the Imperials get any sort of new list at all?
Spoiler:
Nope sorry all the recent releases CRASSUS etc and a couple of characters. Its mainly an eldar book they get a corsairs list and all the eldar vehicles are in from war walkers up to phantom titans.
Spoiler:
Eh, I dont even play Imperial armies (Eldar player WOO!!!) but it would be nice to see the Imperium get another list for me to fawn over lol
Actually, here's an interesting bit that I didn't notice before:
"Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara provides a detailed account of the Eldar invasion, as well as background and rules for its protagonists, the Eldar of Craftworlds Mymeara and Alaitoc, their Corsair kin and the forces of the Imperium. Also included are profiles for new special characters, machines of war, and a new Eldar Warrior Aspect squad, the Shadow Spectres. This 224-page full colour hardback book, written by Talima Fox, is packed with vehicle and infantry profiles, three Apocalypse datasheets, a campaign section and an Eldar Corsair army list. In addition the book also contains a detailed background and technical section covering the existing Forge World Eldar range. "
The Eldar are the protagonists?
It's difficult to see from the images, but is it written from the Eldar perspective?
That would be... different.
EDIT: On second thought, it seems that GW doesn't understand what the word "protagonist" means and uses it to refer to both sides of the conflict.
Well in the video, the writer did say she wanted to explore the Eldar psyche and tell their story, so its entirely possible that it is in fact written from the Eldar perspective...
Absolutionis wrote:Actually, here's an interesting bit that I didn't notice before:
"Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara provides a detailed account of the Eldar invasion, as well as background and rules for its protagonists, the Eldar of Craftworlds Mymeara and Alaitoc, their Corsair kin and the forces of the Imperium. Also included are profiles for new special characters, machines of war, and a new Eldar Warrior Aspect squad, the Shadow Spectres. This 224-page full colour hardback book, written by Talima Fox, is packed with vehicle and infantry profiles, three Apocalypse datasheets, a campaign section and an Eldar Corsair army list. In addition the book also contains a detailed background and technical section covering the existing Forge World Eldar range. "
The Eldar are the protagonists?
It's difficult to see from the images, but is it written from the Eldar perspective?
That would be... different.
EDIT: On second thought, it seems that GW doesn't understand what the word "protagonist" means and uses it to refer to both sides of the conflict.
The story is from the Imperial's perspective but the Eldar perspective is touched upon in the Character/vehicle/craftworld desciptions.
Kroothawk wrote:Well the next two books have none, so no more Xeno coverage for a year, not even on the released models.
We don't know what the next two books have. We know IA 12 has Tzeentch and Imperial Penitent Regiment. Its possible that there is a third faction included in the book (unlikely). IA13 is completely unknown to us.
Then you should pay more attention to the threads you link to
Jared van Kell wrote:This is going to be the first of two Chaos Themed books, the first being Tzeench, including daemonic engines and the next one being about Slaanesh.
First of two books doesn't mean that they are going to be back to back releases, at least that isn't how I interpreted the sentence, but otherwise I would see your point.
So, for those with the book, what is the deal with the space wolf character? What loadout and abilities does he have in both forms? No need to post stats but just an overview would be appreciated.
warboss wrote:So, for those with the book, what is the deal with the space wolf character? What loadout and abilities does he have in both forms? No need to post stats but just an overview would be appreciated.
He's nails and may randomly turn into a werewolf, makes 1 unit of grey hunters infiltrate, and he and any f wolves may out flank.
Small tidbit that I put here instead of starting a new thread:
lijah_cuu wrote:Forgeworld are expecting the 2nd Masterclass book to be delivered from the printers to the warehouse on the 23rd of March 2012... God knows how long they will keep it there before releasing it though and no idea whats in it.
This was up on the wall in the Forgeworld studio in Lenton.
Given that it's supposed to be monsters etc. It seems a little odd that they aren't (from the sounds of it) tying it into the February masterclass on painting... monsters?
Automatically Appended Next Post: My copy of IA11 arrived this afternoon. As expected, it's a really nice looking book with some very nice artwork. Each volume takes another step forwards in quality; I'm looking forward to reading it over the next few days.
Having said that... I've encountered one copy/paste problem already. On page 196 they have the stats of the Eldar Scorpion and Cobra super-heavies. The Scorpion has twin linked Pulsars; the Cobra has a D-cannon; all the options are the same for both. Unfortunately the weapon stats under the Cobra are the Pulsar stats, not those for the D-cannon.
From Forge World on there FB page. (not me btw who asked this)
Q-"Hey guys, just reading my copy of IA11, the Void Dreamer has 2 entries for corsair jet pack, should 1 of them be jet bike or is it not meant to be there at all?"
-I guess that is where they should have mentioned the Webway Portal (35 points)
FW -One of them should indeed be Webway Portal..........+35pts
Noisy_Marine wrote:I thought I read somewhere that the Tzeentch book would be about Tzeentch marines that ARE NOT Thousand Sons, but who knows?
I'd take that to mean that they focus on the psykers who control the Rubric marines. It's kind of hard to write anything interesting when your main characters are basically unthinking automotons.
so when does DE get their FW book? also....aside from the special characters dosent everything this book have already exist in other books? namley the recent apoc book FW put out? i dont think 42 pounds (like 100 $$ for me) is really worth some new fluff and special characters. especially when i already bought the new apoc book and it has everything.
DarthSpader wrote:so when does DE get their FW book? also....aside from the special characters dosent everything this book have already exist in other books? namley the recent apoc book FW put out? i dont think 42 pounds (like 100 $$ for me) is really worth some new fluff and special characters. especially when i already bought the new apoc book and it has everything.
Conversely:
Its a lovely creation full of fluff and great imagery and about three times the size of a Codex at about twice the price.
new stuff includes
Full Corsairs army list - which is pretty interesting
new Special Characters for Eldar, Imperial Guard and Space Wolves
do their editing in a half-
