OH BOY! Can't wait to see what sort of implications this has in the future (ordinarily I would hope for a violent solution to the situation, but seeing as how I have very close friends currently stationed in Korea, hopefully its a peaceful transition of power, etc.)
His son Kim Jong Un is next in line to be Supreme Leader, the worst part of it is it will be under the supervision of Kimmy's brother Chang Sung-taek, a man who makes KJI seem sane by comparison. Chang has advocated nuking Japan in the past.
Now all we have to do is wait for Fidel to die of lung cancer and we'll be in good shape!
I think you missed the part where his little bro Raul is now running the show in Cuba, and both he and Fidel have radically stepped down their anti-American rhetoric this past decade. In fact, Raul has significantly slackened government rule in Cuba and it looks like its gradually heading towards a Chinese model of "communism".
On the odd chance that North Korean Death Squads are reading this thread and making a list of people to kill, I'd just like to say that I'll miss our Dear Leader greatly.
Monster Rain wrote:On the odd chance that North Korean Death Squads are reading this thread and making a list of people to kill, I'd just like to say that I'll miss our Dear Leader greatly.
Monster Rain wrote:On the odd chance that North Korean Death Squads are reading this thread and making a list of people to kill, I'd just like to say that I'll miss our Dear Leader greatly.
The NKDSs are jokes in comparison to the operatives I have at my disposal.
The Director of Third Echelon owes me a few favors.
Will his death even make that much of a difference? No doubt his sons have been groomed to take over his position once he kicked the bucket. Most likey life in North Korea will go on just as it has the past how ever many years.
On the converse though, now hes dead there will be a lot of people making power grabs. So if that happens and we get lucky North Korea will have its own civil war and we may get left with not only South Korea but with East and West Korea too.
Kim Jong-Il was kind of a dick and I doubt he'll be missed by many people not forced to mourn him at gunpoint, but I also doubt much will change in the DPRK as a result of his death.
Snrub wrote:Most likey life in North Korea will go on just as it has the past how ever many years.
Almost certainly, yes. I'd be very surprised to see Kim Jong-Un make any radical changes or departures from the established doctrine. I'm sure a lot of other countries (the ROK in particular) will scramble to see if he's receptive to their overtures, but I doubt they'll get very far.
I don't know how stable or sane this "Kim Jong Un" is, except that he likes to wear his fathers hat or something, but I would want to make sure he doesn't start attacking everyone that makes fun of his weight problem.
Karon wrote:I don't know how stable or sane this "Kim Jong Un" is,
After a lifetime combination of immense privilege and perpetual indoctrination I'm guessing "not very" but we'll have to see, I guess. Who knows, he might surprise everyone. He'll be assuming the mantle of a massive cult of personality though and I don't think anything good has ever come of those.
HA!. I cant belive you Americans think this is a bloody good thing. First of all, this guy was senial and over come with age, so he couldn't really think for him self as much as he could in the past. His son is much more crazyer then the old tard. And his brother will be the 2nd in command, and that guy is flipping nuts.
Awwwwwwww man. We have been burning through evil dictators like crazy in the past few years. We are going to run out at this rate! Who will we hate then?!
Kim Jong Un will be a gak sight crazier than his old man. This I can be sure of.
You only have to look at crazies like Uday Hussien to see that. Spoilt, indoctrinated, and uber powerful does not a good combination make!
I lived in South Korea for a couple of years, so would like to offer my few cents if I may. I think most likely his death might slowly start to bring in a new era, but the chance of the North coming out all-guns blazing is small for a number of reasons.
After a lifetime combination of immense privilege and perpetual indoctrination I'm guessing "not very" but we'll have to see, I guess. Who knows, he might surprise everyone. He'll be assuming the mantle of a massive cult of personality though and I don't think anything good has ever come of those.
Kim Jong-un, the heir apparent, was educated in Switzerland. I hope that he has had enough experience of the world to realise the terminal situation the North is in. The door has already been opened a crack, with sales of Chinese communication equipment (mobiles, computers etc.) which mean that NK, or at least some of the population, are less isolated now than they have ever been in the past. Most likely, at least for the first few years, he will follow policies similar to his father, and will be encouraged to do so by Jong-il's sister, Ki, Kyong Hui, who if rumours are to be believed has been pretty much running the country from behind the scenes for the last few years anyway.
But
And this is a hotdog chewing, no exercise in 3 years, big 'but'. The situation exists for some kind of coup to occur, perhaps not immediately because the country would not be ready for it with national mourning going on, but over the next 6 months. The military is extremely powerful politically, and intertwined with the government. I would argue it would never be easier for a general to decide he can make a better go of it. Certainly, the structure is in place for something like this to happen, and it is important to note that the indoctrination of the majority of the populace does not extend to the upper echelons of government. Will it be a good thing if this happens? That remains to be seen, and you could make the argument that similarly the current South Korean democracy springboarded on the back of a military government.
One good thing is that there was a document released by wikileaks, showing the minutes of a conversation between US and China concerning North Korea. China said that if there is a coup, they will not intercede in support of the regime. If true, this is somewhat heartening.
To be honest I think the current situation in North Korea is a travesty, and the division of the country is one of the most unfortunate in modern history. The political polorasiation, and squaring off between the great powers in the cold war, has now ended. I hope it is time to put right the wrongs of the Potsdam conference, and by extension the fact that one of the most prosperous nations in Asia exists directly next to one of the poorest and most desperate. The Korean people are a single race and most of them want reunification, even as they realise the short term problems it will create. Hopefully now the 'Dear Leader' is dead, the iron grip on the people will begin to slip, and just the slightest opening of the door to the rest of the world, either through Kim Jong-Un or the victor of a 'night of the long knives', will bring about much needed change.
Pacific wrote:Kim Jong-un, the heir apparent, was educated in Switzerland.
Ah, yes, sorry, I was completely forgetting his Swiss education. That's a very good point.
Pacific wrote:To be honest I think the current situation in North Korea is a travesty, and the division of the country is one of the most unfortunate in modern history. The political polorasiation, and squaring off between the great powers in the cold war, has now ended. I hope it is time to put right the wrongs of the Potsdam conference, and by extension the fact that one of the most prosperous nations in Asia exists directly next to one of the poorest and most desperate. The Korean people are a single race and most of them want reunification, even as they realise the short term problems it will create. Hopefully now the 'Dear Leader' is dead, the iron grip on the people will begin to slip, and just the slightest opening of the door to the rest of the world, either through Kim Jong-Un or the victor of a 'night of the long knives', will bring about much needed change.
Absolutely agree. I hope Kim Jong-il's death might be the start of that process, though it's going to be long and difficult however it happens.
You know more about the region and its situation than I do - do you think that in the proces of (hopefully) opening that door to the rest of the world, the DPRK will expose itself to hostile or predatory foreign interests? I can only imagine a number of governments and business entities seeing that as an opportunity for exploitation.
Also, do you think it's possible that - say as a result of a military coup - the country might become even more aggressively insular or hostile toward its neighbors? That seems like it would be suicidal, geopolitically, but I ask anyway out of curiosity.
Castiel wrote:Doing something useful, like saving whales. Which is good, I'd rather have them saving the gentle giants rather than the bat gak crazy dictators!
Sorry, but crazy dictators make much better news than whales
Castiel wrote:Doing something useful, like saving whales. Which is good, I'd rather have them saving the gentle giants rather than the bat gak crazy dictators!
Sorry, but crazy dictators make much better news than whales
Nah, but then I'm an ecologist! Also, the more dictators they remove the less competition I have.........
@Gorechild: Damn you! beating me to the post with that gem of humour!
Personally I'm concerned, transition periods in tyrannical regimes always leaves uncertainty and the possibility that at least 1 western country will decide to send in the troops, which ends up with another bunch of western countries sending theirs in as well...
Pacific wrote:Kim Jong-un, the heir apparent, was educated in Switzerland.
Ah, yes, sorry, I was completely forgetting his Swiss education. That's a very good point.
Pacific wrote:To be honest I think the current situation in North Korea is a travesty, and the division of the country is one of the most unfortunate in modern history. The political polorasiation, and squaring off between the great powers in the cold war, has now ended. I hope it is time to put right the wrongs of the Potsdam conference, and by extension the fact that one of the most prosperous nations in Asia exists directly next to one of the poorest and most desperate. The Korean people are a single race and most of them want reunification, even as they realise the short term problems it will create. Hopefully now the 'Dear Leader' is dead, the iron grip on the people will begin to slip, and just the slightest opening of the door to the rest of the world, either through Kim Jong-Un or the victor of a 'night of the long knives', will bring about much needed change.
Absolutely agree. I hope Kim Jong-il's death might be the start of that process, though it's going to be long and difficult however it happens.
You know more about the region and its situation than I do - do you think that in the proces of (hopefully) opening that door to the rest of the world, the DPRK will expose itself to hostile or predatory foreign interests? I can only imagine a number of governments and business entities seeing that as an opportunity for exploitation.
Also, do you think it's possible that - say as a result of a military coup - the country might become even more aggressively insular or hostile toward its neighbors? That seems like it would be suicidal, geopolitically, but I ask anyway out of curiosity.
It's difficult to imagine how North Korea could be more insular and hostile than it is now, without actually going to war.
Remember it is a nation which in the past 18 months has torpedoed a South Korean warship, shelled a South Korean town, and shot a ballistic missile towards Japan.
NATO will go to South Korea aid if the North comes down western corridor. If the North decides to nuke...well not much room to maneuver after that on a penninsula. Biggest issue is the mass exodus that China going to have to deal with soon from North Korea. South Korea border way to mined/fortified for any attempts to cross.
I really don't think North Korea could invade the south even if it wanted to. This country was starving to death not so long ago. I can't believe their basic foot soldiers are in good shape at the moment.
Their line divisios are fed well. Granted your not going to see left overs thrown away. Kimchi and rice will sustain you a long time....lots and lots of soju to...you won't gain any weight from kimchi and rice but its filling. Great for a headcold and cucumber kimchi is the best. I think NATO ountries though will send humanitarian supplies to China though if what they're saying comes true. The terrain of Korea is perfect for foot soldiers but the best time to "invade" is Jan and Feb when the rice paddies are frozen over. Its siberian cold
Dreadwinter wrote:Awwwwwwww man. We have been burning through evil dictators like crazy in the past few years. We are going to run out at this rate! Who will we hate then?!
Africa my friend, Africa. That place will always be incredibly beautiful to look at, and even more scary to visit. Its full of crazy dictators
You're all missing the most important point... why hasn't dakkadakka honored this dynasty with its own ranking track for forum posters??!?! You could start as capitalist aggressor and advance up through starving civilian all the way to Eternal President. If North Korea hasn't given us enough to fill the track, we could have a contest to come up with progressively aggrandizing yet functionally useless titles! This could be bigger than santa hat avatars....
Kim Jong-Il was a poor man's Colonel Gaddafi. North Korea wasn't gak because of him and won't stop being gak without him. Unfortunately, Kim was only the most visible and not the most crucial component of that mess.
Lol, thanks! If that last part is true, he'll already be more progressive than his old man. Kim Jong Il would have you shot AND your family starved to death in a prison death camp. Ah... the sweet smell of progress!
BTW, your favorite shooter came remarkably close to prediciting the actual date of his death. Lets hope the rest of the plot is a bit less accurate, though.
My mom actually told me an interesting story from her childhood behind the Iron Curtain. When Stalin died, her grade school announced that there would be no bread or even lunch at school for the whole week as the students "mourned" his passing. When she came home crying (moreso from being told she'd go hungry for most of the day for the week than because of the pro-Russian propaganda about the papa joe's "greatness"), she said my grandmother slapped her silly for crying about something so stupid considering his forces were presently occupying the country (and would do so for another 40 years).
As long as there have been political dictators, psychologists have been fascinated with them. While many psychologists try to understand what happens in normal, rational people that leads them to follow such clearly dangerous leaders, some psychologists have been more interested in characterizing the personality profiles of dictators themselves. After all, who hasn’t attempted an armchair psychiatric diagnosis of a famous personality?
In 1939, Carl Jung met Hitler and Mussolini in Berlin and observed their interactions. Personality psychologists Coolidge and Segal from the University of Colorado write that “Jung said Hitler never laughed, and it appeared as if Hitler was sulking and in a bad mood. Jung viewed him as sexless and inhuman, with a singleness of purpose: to establish the Third Reich, a mystical all-powerful German nation, which would overcome all of Hitler’s perceived threats and previous insults in Germany’s history.” Hitler inspired in Jung only fear. By contrast, Mussolini apparently came off to Jung as an “original man,” who had “warmth and energy.”
With the possible exception of Jung, it is exceedingly difficult for most people to get any one-on-one time with political dictators, and essentially impossible for psychologists or psychiatrists to conduct a face-to-face clinical assessment. Therefore, most investigations into the personality profiles of such leaders have used “informant reports.” While certainly less than ideal, such reports have nevertheless yielded tremendous insight into the mental lives of some of the worlds most notorious dictators. One study (PDF) revealed that informant reports are generally in “modest agreement” with self reports, and also that informants tend to agree with each other. Even among standard run-of-the-mill personality disorder patients, informant reports end up being quite useful to clinicians. Informant reports are especially important when symptoms of personality disorders may lead patients to provide clinicians with inaccurate information.
In 2007, Coolidge and Segal rounded up five experts on Hitler, and asked them to evaluate him on the basis of DSM-IV psychopathological syndromes and personality disorders. The consensus among the experts was that Hitler had highly elevated scores on the following personality disorder scales: paranoid, antisocial, narcissistic, and sadistic. Hitler’s derived personality profile also suggested that he probably had schizophrenic tendencies, including excessive grandiosity and aberrant thinking.
In another 2007 study, Coolidge and Segal gave the same treatment to Saddam Hussein. Just as with Hitler, they derived a consensus personality profile for Hussein based on informant reports from eleven Iraqi adults who “knew Hussein intimately” for a median of 24 years. The study revealed that Hussein had high scores on the same personality disorder scales: paranoid, antisocial, narcissistic, and sadistic, though sadistic features were stronger in Hussein than in Hitler. Like Hitler, the Hussein study revealed probable schizophrenic symptoms as well. There was a relatively high correlation (.79) between the derived personality profiles for the two men.
Combining the results from both studies, Coolidge and Segal hypothesized a “big six” constellation of personality disorders that may commonly reflect the personalities of dictators more generally: sadistic, antisocial, paranoid, narcissistic, schizoid, and scizotypal.
Then, in 2009, Coolidge and Segal extended their research to include the recently deceased dictator of North Korea, Kim Jong-il. Through professional colleagues, Coolidge and Segal were introduced to a South Korean academic psychologist who had “advanced psychological training and intimate and established knowledge of Kim Jong-il.” The anonymous psychologist agreed to provide an informant report on the psychological profile of Kim Jong-il.
The personality profile of Kim Jong-il showed the same “big six” constellation of personality disorders: sadistic, antisocial, paranoid, narcissistic, schizoid, and scizotypal.
The table below shows each dictator’s score for each of the fourteen DSM-IV personality disorders as well as for schizophrenia and psychotic thinking (click to enlarge). The disorders are ranked according to how strong they were scored on each disorder’s scale: each of the three dictators shared the same top six personality disorders (in slightly different orders), and all show high scores for schizophrenia and psychotic thinking.
Further comparisons among the dictators revealed that Kim Jong-il had more in common with Saddam Hussein (their profiles had a correlation of .67) than with Hitler (their profiles had a correlation of .20). Indeed, both Jong-il and Hussein had sadistic personality disorder as their highest rated item, and their scores were nearly identical – more than three standard deviations above the population average!
The nagging question is: how could an individual with such extreme personality disorders – especially ones that have a “spectrum relationship” to psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia – attain and hold such high positions of power and control over others? Schizophrenia is, after all, highly debilitating. Coolidge and Segal point out, however, that there are other well-known cases of “murderous schizophrenic persons” who had likewise held tremendous power over others, such as Charles Manson and Jim Jones, though admittedly on a smaller scale.
They continue (emphasis added):
Furthermore, the current DSM-IV-TR criteria for schizophrenia, paranoid type, include symptoms such as preoccupation with one or more persecutory or grandiose delusions usually organized around a coherent theme. Associated features include anxiety, anger, aloofness and argumentativeness. The DSM-IV-TR also states that persecutory themes and grandiose delusions may predispose schizophrenic individuals to violence, that such individuals may have a superior or patronizing manner in interpersonal interactions, and that such individuals may display little or no cognitive impairment and have a good prognosis in the areas of occupational functioning and independent living.
There are three important caveats here.
First, and perhaps most obvious, is that correlation is not causation. While understanding the “big six” personality disorders may be useful in future international relations efforts when they involve political dictators, there are plenty of people with some or all of those personality disorders who never become dictators, murderers, or terrorists. And there are probably dictators that have a different constellation of psychiatric and personality disorders. Mental illness does not exist in a vacuum, but occurs both in a time and in a place.
Second, to what extent could cultural biases have played in developing these psychiatric diagnoses? It is fairly well-established that certain diagnoses are cross-cultural and universal, such as schizophrenia, but the symptoms thereof can vary both in importance and in significance across cultures. While psychiatric diagnoses all reflect underlying biological dysfunctions, those diagnoses are determined by people. And those people may be subtly biased, even despite tremendous efforts at objectivity and scientific rigorousness. To a similar end, the questionnaires that were filled out by the informants for each of the three dictators were validated according to an American sample. As psychiatric diagnoses are typically defined by statistical rarity, this could be problematic. For example, the mean response for a given item on a questionnaire may be higher or lower in North Korean culture.
Third, of the three studies, only the informants in the Hussein example had explicit personal relationships with the subject of the questionnaires. Therefore, an additional set of biases may have been at play in both the Hitler and Kim Jong-il studies. To that end, the ethical implications of those studies may call into play a principle adopted by the American Psychological Association known as the Goldwater rule, which states that mental health professionals “are forbidden to give a professional opinion about any individual without directly examining that person and getting permission to comment from the patient or other legal guardian.” However, the Goldwater rule is explicitly concerned with the way in which mental health professionals interact with the media, and may therefore not apply in these cases.
Ultimately, we may never know just how well this particular psychological profile of Kim Jong-il would have matched with his actual personality. However, the strong correlation among the personalities of Hitler, Hussein, and Kim Jong-il is hard to ignore.
I think it's good that he died naturally like that. They've been selling this story about him being all powerful mangod of doomtown or whatever. It would have been a lot easier for them to spin him dying in glorious god-battle or sacrificing for them than it is for them to spin "died on a train derp"
Rented Tritium wrote:I think it's good that he died naturally like that. They've been selling this story about him being all powerful mangod of doomtown or whatever. It would have been a lot easier for them to spin him dying in glorious god-battle or sacrificing for them than it is for them to spin "died on a train derp"
Over worked to help the dear people out. That is their spin.
That means: The world of evil nations and south korea caused so much heart ache on Dear Leader that he, son of a god, was worked to death saving The People from the horrors of the world.
Slightly OT but I watched a feature about civil defence in South Korea. There was an ordinary office block that wasn't ordinary. Flick a switch and the walls dropped revealing a battery of anti-aircraft guns and missles. Even the pretty looking secretary was a special forces general or something! I was impressed, and I'm not easily impressed.
WARORK93 wrote:The entirety of North Korea will gladly throw themselves into the meat grinder if their Great leader asks it of them. south Korea is set against a brainwashed populace of fanatics which is a very dangerous thing if history is anythign to go by...
Not so. Many North Koreans have woken up to the fact that their lot is a bit rubbish. A famine that kills 2 million people doesn't go unquestioned. Western influences have also seaped into the country via DVDs and outside broadcasts making them realise that the rest of the world has moved on without them.
I say again, read this book. Its a fascinating (and true) insight into the lives of six defectors as they slowly woke up and smelled the coffee.
I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the North Koreans would probably be a lot less fanatical in their support of the Kims if they didn't have the constant threat of labor camps hanging over them. Sure, they try to brainwash everyone, but methinks that the omnipresent fear is a key factor here. I do know that people are smuggled out of NK. To me, that indicates at least some awareness of the outside world. Who wants to get smuggled -- at great risk -- out of heaven?
Also, I don't see either side actually welcoming a war of annihilation. There many in the north with family in the south, and vice versa. Their shared Korean ethnic identity is in some ways more important to them than their political affiliation.
Edit: Got ninja'ed by Flashman. I'll have to check that book out.
This is the most surreal thing I've ever seen.
I noticed there were one or two mourners who weren't weeping uncontrollably... I imagine that the North Korean Happy Fun-Time Loyalty Squad will be paying them a visit sometime soon.
Its unfathomable how a lot of the people over there truly are completely indoctrinated with the propaganda. I really cannot imagine it to the extent that some of them seem to be at.
Does anybody remember a PS1 game from the 90s called Nuclear Strike? One of the missions was to halt the invasion of the south by the north, with only a Apache helicopter standing between victory or defeat. Happy days!
Oh Kid, so mean to our glorious ex leader! Here, have some soothing music
Also marching like that looks like it takes far, far more effort than it should.
I also saw this thing on the BBC about this year, I assume it may be updated soon with his death (I got redirected here from looking at their news on the death), but try to spot the odd one out here:
Chowderhead wrote:Eh. I'll miss his silly antics and hijinks.
Anyway, his son is in power now. Hopefully we can get a revolution up in that bitch, and we'll be down another crazy somebitch country.
A revolution in america
Automatically Appended Next Post: This isn't a good thing. For all we know his son is even larger an idiot. At least the old kim had experience and wasn't using the nukes.
Jihadin wrote:Forget about the tunnels under the DMZ?
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The ones that are like 1K deep going through solid rock?
The only tunnels under the DMZ that are public knowledge are not very elaborate. They're big enough for single file tanks, but not really much else and both ends are well known.
gorgon wrote:I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the North Koreans would probably be a lot less fanatical in their support of the Kims if they didn't have the constant threat of labor camps hanging over them. Sure, they try to brainwash everyone, but methinks that the omnipresent fear is a key factor here. I do know that people are smuggled out of NK. To me, that indicates at least some awareness of the outside world. Who wants to get smuggled -- at great risk -- out of heaven?
Also, I don't see either side actually welcoming a war of annihilation. There many in the north with family in the south, and vice versa. Their shared Korean ethnic identity is in some ways more important to them than their political affiliation.
Edit: Got ninja'ed by Flashman. I'll have to check that book out.
I had some South Korean roomates for a year or so, and it seems like there is no love lost for the North Koreans, relatives or not. A South Korean girl I was close friends with told me she'd rather marry a Japanese man than a North Korean.
The North Koreans, in my mind, are in the position of a man with nothing left to lose, and that is fairly scarey.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Can't say I'll miss him, lets hope the next one see's how China's been doing with the 'lesser communism' thing and follows their lead.
Becoming a horrifically repressive predatory capitalist state instead of a horrifically repressive degenerated workers' state? Not sure I see the benefit for the average Korean or the rest of the world (beside giving corporations another source of easily exploitable outsource-labour, which both subjects that source of labour to dire conditions for barely any pay and takes work opportunities away from labourers in the source country, hardly a thing to be celebrated in times of soaring unemployment)
gorgon wrote:I'm no expert, but it seems to me that the North Koreans would probably be a lot less fanatical in their support of the Kims if they didn't have the constant threat of labor camps hanging over them. Sure, they try to brainwash everyone, but methinks that the omnipresent fear is a key factor here. I do know that people are smuggled out of NK. To me, that indicates at least some awareness of the outside world. Who wants to get smuggled -- at great risk -- out of heaven?
Also, I don't see either side actually welcoming a war of annihilation. There many in the north with family in the south, and vice versa. Their shared Korean ethnic identity is in some ways more important to them than their political affiliation.
Edit: Got ninja'ed by Flashman. I'll have to check that book out.
I had some South Korean roomates for a year or so, and it seems like there is no love lost for the North Koreans, relatives or not. A South Korean girl I was close friends with told me she'd rather marry a Japanese man than a North Korean.
The North Koreans, in my mind, are in the position of a man with nothing left to lose, and that is fairly scarey.
It would probably be helpful to have someone from the ROK chime in on this (I know we have members there), but I think there could be a generational gap at work here. Which would be understandable given that younger people have certainly never met, nor probably know much about any relatives in the DPRK, etc. The Korean folks I'm familiar with seem to have a less adversarial attitude, but then we're talking about an overall older group of churchgoers. And that sample is of Koreans living in the US...things may be tenser on the peninsula.
So Cuba declared 3 days of mourning for the Dear Leader.
Flags at half mast and everything.
For a man directly responsible for millions of deaths on a scale not seen since the dayhs of Mao.
Here in the Caribbean Cuba can just do no wrong. Everyone imagines it as this happy little island the yanks are picking on for some odd reason.
But when they do gak like this it shows that no, communism is not just an alternate economic system. Maybe on paper it is, maybe in a freshman polisci class it is, but in the real world it means throwing in your lot with the likes of Stalin, Mao and the Kims. It means pledging solidarity with people who happily run over protestors with tanks and send millions to prison camps.
I hope everyone remembers the day Cuba bared its true face.
I don't want to say I'm glad that someone is dead, but I know I'll sleep a little easier at night knowing there's not a short little guy in creepy glasses plotting new forms of crazy just for the sake of outdoing his current forms of crazy.
grayshadow87 wrote:I don't want to say I'm glad that someone is dead, but I know I'll sleep a little easier at night knowing there's not a short little guy in creepy glasses plotting new forms of crazy just for the sake of outdoing his current forms of crazy.
