There seem to be lots of threads about which guard world is the most badass, but the main contenders (Kreig, Catachan, Cadia) are up there because living on their world sucks. If you had to be an average, everyday guardsman with no special weapons or abilities, which major recruiting world would you want to be from?
Thanks to KamikazeCanuck for making the first poll, copying options is much easier than trying to remember all the worlds without a codex!
Whichever is furthest from the front. To be honest even though they always die to a man I would prob rather be a PDF in the middle of nowhere than any Imperial Guardsman. Sure I would virtually be guaranteed to die if I was ever involved with a conflict, or worse fall to chaos. But I figure the odds of fighting are a whole hell of a lot less. Hats off to whoever picks cadian or catachan, your a brave soldier!
Interesting that some people said Cadia, I for one wouldn't like to face Chaos every day of my life. Maybe there's some hidden problem, but the biggest problem Mordia seems to run into is it's lack of rotation. No Chaos, Orks, Death World stuff, or any danger except the cold/warmth, depending on the side you live on. This, of course, is negated when you get to the front, but most guard die quickly no matter where you're from, so I may as well have a semi-nice childhood.
P.S. 3 people from Krieg??? Who has a deathwish that big?
Valhalla, if we can fight in the cold, we can fight anywhere. Lets see those sissy orks fight in the ice, those wussy nids freeze their talons off, and our only problem is the super-circuitry of the necrons on ice worlds.
Likely as lazy as being in the IG gets.
The back ups being Necromunda and Inwit.
But, you have to start slow, show too much promise and the Imperial Fists show up.
Coolyo294 wrote:Preatoria. Because British Empire in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
Spoiler:
"Preatorians stop your dreaming
Can't you see their spear points gleaming
See their warrior pennants streaming
To this battlefield
Preatorians stand ye steady
It cannot be ever said ye
For the battle were not ready
Guardsman never yield
From the hills rebounding
Let this song be sounding
Summon all at Emperor's call
The mighty force surrounding
Preatorians on to glory
This will ever be your story
Keep these burning words before ye
Guardsman will not yield"
dajobe wrote:I said Elysia, because i am willing to bet that the stormtroopers have a higher survival rate than normal guardsman...mine always die in droves
Not exactly. They send them to more dangerous missions then they give to normal Guardsman.
Not many of them return from them.
I like Guardsmen from Krieg and Catachan, but then I came to think. If I was born on Catachan I would probably be dead before the age of 15 because I'm notoriously clumsy, and on Krieg I would have no childhood what so ever. I voted Elysians, although I don't know much about their homeworld, but because being part of a trained elite would be a lot better than dying as a two year old or pretty much being guaranteed to die in the first battle I would participate in.
If I had to pick one, I'd say Terran guard (I forgot-- was it Merican?).
Because If all I get is garrison duty, then I'm safe. If I get sent somewhere, then I'm getting sent to a major fight with lots of marines and sisters and guard to fight alongside me, so at least I stand a better chance than some random backwater post.
Krieg because we are referred to as numbers and no one knows what our aces look like because we wear epic gas masks that never need to be taken off.......and our planet is a nuke fest. We go charging onto battle hoping to die, we dont even need commissars(as it is said in the book Dead Men Walking).
Catachan, I like running around in the woods and assuming I survived childhood I would be able to deal with just about anything nature could throw at me. Unless it got chilly. A tank top just doesn't cut it when it gets cold.
Great White wrote:Vostroya because I get to be Russian
This is a terrible reason, I've known a lot of Russians, and used to live with the president of the Russian student association in college. As a general rule of thumb most Russians are Divas with a propensity for alcoholism... although some of them are really cool
Also why wouldn't you want to be from Vallhalla, they're Russians too!
But I did vote for Vostroya. Just because their boys actually seem well equipped compared to most imperial guard regiments...
Harriticus wrote:Hasn't Praetoria largely been written out? You never hear of them anymore anywhere.
Almost the same as with the Mordians, though. It was pretty silent around them for many years, but they were at least mentioned in the most recent Guard Codex again. Cadians were in the focus for a long time. Now that focus slowly seems to shift towards Krieg...
That said, when was the last time the Praetorians did show up in some Codex or WD article? They kinda were forgotten, weren't they?
Melissia wrote:So,since Vostroya has to give up its firstborn sons, if a family only has daughters, they have no obligation to give any to the firstborn right?
Melissia wrote:So,since Vostroya has to give up its firstborn sons, if a family only has daughters, they have no obligation to give any to the firstborn right?
I might switch my answer to Vostroyans, heh.
Maybe they are sending them to Sisterhood
Or any other 'Imperial Career' other than Guardsman. Munitorum, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Arbites, or local world stuff. The Imperium's your oyster when you're vorostroyan!
There should be way more Female IG regiments in fluff, I mean mankind's primary resource is people - Even if the imperium is as vastly chauvenistic as it already is, worship of the emperor means murdering aliens. More of the other 50% of the human population should be being fed into meat grinders, Starship Troopers style.
@ purplefood I looked up Praetoria - the Backronymed planet - and it's apparently a hella squalid, heavily stratified hive world, where even air is rationed. Megadisciplined, not as nice as I thought. And I don't think they've been written out at all, it's just that there's only plastics for cadians and catachans, so they're the only ones that exist in the latest codex.
Brimlock Dragoons are pretty awesome too! Rumour has it that was originally going to be a Praetorian novel, but there was no approval for such a concept from on high, so it became the Brimlock Dragoons instead. My best impulse buy this year by far.
Tanith was definitely the nicest homeworld, thus it doesn't exist anymore. It failed the GrimDark test....
Melissia wrote:So,since Vostroya has to give up its firstborn sons, if a family only has daughters, they have no obligation to give any to the firstborn right?
I might switch my answer to Vostroyans, heh.
Maybe they are sending them to Sisterhood
Or any other 'Imperial Career' other than Guardsman. Munitorum, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Arbites, or local world stuff. The Imperium's your oyster when you're vorostroyan!
There should be way more Female IG regiments in fluff, I mean mankind's primary resource is people - Even if the imperium is as vastly chauvenistic as it already is, worship of the emperor means murdering aliens. More of the other 50% of the human population should be being fed into meat grinders, Starship Troopers style.
@ purplefood I looked up Praetoria - the Backronymed planet - and it's apparently a hella squalid, heavily stratified hive world, where even air is rationed. Megadisciplined, not as nice as I thought. And I don't think they've been written out at all, it's just that there's only plastics for cadians and catachans, so they're the only ones that exist in the latest codex.
Brimlock Dragoons are pretty awesome too! Rumour has it that was originally going to be a Praetorian novel, but there was no approval for such a concept from on high, so it became the Brimlock Dragoons instead. My best impulse buy this year by far.
Tanith was definitely the nicest homeworld, thus it doesn't exist anymore. It failed the GrimDark test....
Jollydevil wrote:Vostroya, they look the best equiped and tech advanced, unlike the meatgrinders of cadia. Plus, their planet doesnt suck.
Cadian equipment is the imperial standard because it is good and efficient, not because it sucks.
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Captain Roderick wrote:Or any other 'Imperial Career' other than Guardsman. Munitorum, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Arbites, or local world stuff. The Imperium's your oyster when you're vorostroyan!
At least with this I wouldn't have to be on the front lines. Since Vostroya is unlikely to be invaded in canon and all that.
The Crusader wrote:No, might get conscripted or worse... into the PDF!
Again, what's the problem there? Vostroya is just well known enough to matter, but not well known enough to be attacked. GW isn't gonna have them be attacked all the time
Jollydevil wrote:Vostroya, they look the best equiped and tech advanced, unlike the meatgrinders of cadia. Plus, their planet doesnt suck.
Cadian equipment is the imperial standard because it is good and efficient, not because it sucks.
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Captain Roderick wrote:Or any other 'Imperial Career' other than Guardsman. Munitorum, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Arbites, or local world stuff. The Imperium's your oyster when you're vorostroyan!
At least with this I wouldn't have to be on the front lines. Since Vostroya is unlikely to be invaded in canon and all that.
I didnt say it sucks, its just obviously worse than The Vostroyans. Just by eye comparison you can see how much better equipped and more technoloigcally advanced the Vostroyen gaurd are.
Armageddon Steel Legions because at least I can fight from the safety of a Chimera most of the time.
Though I would rather be from my own IG regiment, the Shadowsreach Iron Corps, the low population and heavy industry/mining operations means the planet produces only armored regiment
acekevin8412 wrote:
Compared to the other horrors in the galaxy, I think I'd rather tackle that 1000-page report on the Imperial Spending...
1000 page report.......
Give me a Lasgun and a Carnifex to charge at him.
Far more easier then Admanistratinum.
What y'all (esp Melissia) have to remember is that this is 40k - even the Bureaucracy is of Grimdark proportions. That 1000 page report on imperial spending is the first part in a volume of 8.5 million, a third of which have been lost during astropathic transit, that apply to the tithe-barns of Perveasis Gamma in the latter months of 387-389.M36 that your family has been honour-bound for generations to read, commit to memory, then tattoo on the flesh of your infant children for safe keeping. While performing this holy task, you will see no daylight, working by the light cast by the servitor that was your grand-uncle - your grand-uncle who shamed your entire clan by taking 4.9 seconds longer than the permitted toilet break away from his desk....
The nicest parts of the Administratum are still like the film Brazil
Cadia's probably the only place where Imperial citizens know Chaos exists and don't get mind wiped by the Inquisition. Not to mention that by the time your ten years old, you know when to duck, to recognize various kinds of incoming ordnance, differentiate by sound an approaching Imperial/Chaos aircraft, field-strip, maintain, aim, fire, reload, etc. a lasgun or any small arms, as well as effectively use hand explosives and how to provide support in urban warfare.
Tadashi wrote:Cadia's probably the only place where Imperial citizens know Chaos exists and don't get mind wiped by the Inquisition. Not to mention that by the time your ten years old, you know when to duck, to recognize various kinds of incoming ordnance, differentiate by sound an approaching Imperial/Chaos aircraft, field-strip, maintain, aim, fire, reload, etc. a lasgun or any small arms, as well as effectively use hand explosives and how to provide support in urban warfare.
I don't really agree with the first part, I doubt the Inquisition would waste its time with EVERY backwater planet in the Imperium. Not understanding Chaos would probably also remove some civilian will against it (There is a lot of propaganda to counter-act this though). It would make sense to let individuals remember Chaos, as long as the person is loyal to the Emperor, they will fight harder against it.
Tadashi wrote:Cadia's probably the only place where Imperial citizens know Chaos exists and don't get mind wiped by the Inquisition.
Citizens across the galaxy know what, essentially, Chaos is. They know it's a very bad thing and are reminded day in and day out by propaganda how horrible it is and how only a steadfast devotion to the God-Emperor can save them from it's evils. It's those who encounter daemons the Inquisition sometimes mind-wipe or purge.
[Bolded words for emphasis of Imperial propaganda]
Not to mention that by the time your ten years old, you know when to duck, to recognize various kinds of incoming ordnance, differentiate by sound an approaching Imperial/Chaos aircraft, field-strip, maintain, aim, fire, reload, etc. a lasgun or any small arms, as well as effectively use hand explosives and how to provide support in urban warfare.
You could probably say the same for Krieg, with a few alterations, considering that all Krieg does is constantly pump out what are regarded as some of the Imperiums best fighting forces. Terra decreed that nothing should inhibit Kriegs production of it's regiments and that any and all resources they need must be directed to them without obstruction. For the Korpsmen, from birth through the vitae womb technique to being drafted into a Regiment, all the sons of Krieg do is train for warfare - it's why on the FW list they all have WS4+, because of their preference for the bayonet & fighting up close and how much training they go through to learn to use their weapons.
This isn't to say "Oh Kriegs better than Cadia because they do that stuff as well," but more "It's not just Cadia."
Sparks_Havelock wrote:
You could probably say the same for Krieg, with a few alterations, considering that all Krieg does is constantly pump out what are regarded as some of the Imperiums best fighting forces. Terra decreed that nothing should inhibit Kriegs production of it's regiments and that any and all resources they need must be directed to them without obstruction. For the Korpsmen, from birth through the vitae womb technique to being drafted into a Regiment, all the sons of Krieg do is train for warfare - it's why on the FW list they all have WS4+, because of their preference for the bayonet & fighting up close and how much training they go through to learn to use their weapons.
This isn't to say "Oh Kriegs better than Cadia because they do that stuff as well," but more "It's not just Cadia."
That's a bit different, many, if not most Krieg guardsmen are cloned, as far as I know Krieg is the only planet with this sort of sanctioning for guardsmen Also krieg are so bred for war that they are not typically given proper names, only circulating serial numbers (you get the number of the man you replace after he dies). Kreig are mechanical killing/ dying machines compared to any other humans, this makes them hard to compare to average guard regiments.
Squidmanlolz wrote:That's a bit different, many, if not most Krieg guardsmen are cloned, as far as I know Krieg is the only planet with this sort of sanctioning for guardsmen Also krieg are so bred for war that they are not typically given proper names, only circulating serial numbers (you get the number of the man you replace after he dies). Kreig are mechanical killing/ dying machines compared to any other humans, this makes them hard to compare to average guard regiments.
So far as we know they are not cloned. We don't actually know what the vitae womb actually is except that it's looked upon by the Adeptus Mechanicus as being rather 'dodgy' to say the least - it's the only planet in the Imperium with the sanction to use it, but this comes from Terra's decree that Krieg produce nothing but Guardsmen. Considering that 'vitae' means live/life/living in latin I personally make the assumption that it's a faster birthing process - for example instead of 9 months to produce a child it might only take a matter of weeks with the vitae womb technique - perhaps it uses special tanks & so on to grow the fetus at accelerated rates. Because of the high volume of 'births' those born on Krieg do indeed have numbers instead of names which reinforces their grim, faceless visage and uinderlines that korpsmen are viewed more as equipment than as human beings.
EDIT: I should pop in here that I'm interpreting cloned as being "B is a copy of A, as is C, D, E, F etc and all are exactly the same because they're made from A's DNA."
If you have any sources that point to the vitae womb as being a means of cloning please link them. It's an enigma thats puzzled me since I first got my grubby mitts of IA5.
There isn't that much to seperate a soldier from Cadia and a soldier from Krieg apart from the psychology and way in which they wage warfare. Those born on both planets are trained to be soldiers from birth in all aspects of soldiering & warfare. Once you bring in psychology and their attitudes towards warfare then the gulf is enormous, but other than that their skills and training are more or less interchangable. Both planets produce hardened Guardsmen who are killing machines.
Bobthehero wrote:Either Krieg of Cadia
Commissar41.0 wrote:we dont even need commissars(as it is said in the book Dead Men Walking).
Krieg troops need comissar for relationship with non Krieg personnel
Indeed. Strangely, not many regiments like the Death Korp, and Emperor help Generals from the Death Korp who lead non-DKoK troops into battle.
Well they are incredebly cold and emotionless especially when faced with dead, remember in Dead Men Walking when Gunthar sees the DKoK grenadiers for the first time, he said something in the line of that they're ''something worst than the flayed ones they escaped''.
Point taken regarding mind-wipe policy. So Krieg and Cadian troops have similar characteristics, except Krieg troopers are probably little better than Servitors, while Cadians are normal Humans who live on the edge most (if not all) of the time.
I'm not saying Cadians are better than Krieg (or other Guard regiments), but I think I'm gonna have to go with Cadia.
Krieg and Cadian regiement are considered the best regiments, if only because because Kriegers don't care about death and are in near constant warfare and Cadian are right by the entrance of hell and are in constant warfare.
I'd add one more: Catachans. Their planet's a living hell, and the Guardsmen from that world are generally considered to be among the toughest specimens in Imperial service.
Now I do not have fluff memorised, however I think the big time the IoM has massacred regiments due to the touch of chaos was on Armageddon, and I think that was probably due to the fact a traitor primarch was involved.
Any major Chaos incursion usually results in purge of involved regiments, with the exception of sector-wide incursions (Black Crusades), due to the sheer loss of resources this would entail. Instead, said regiments are placed under heavy Inquisitorial surveillance.
Do steel legion troopers get treated with any kind of support or are they just as suicidal as their Krieg bretherens? I just know steel legion get alot of tanks so it sounds like they are less expendable than Krieg men anyway.
sudojoe wrote:Do steel legion troopers get treated with any kind of support or are they just as suicidal as their Krieg bretherens? I just know steel legion get alot of tanks so it sounds like they are less expendable than Krieg men anyway.
Steel Legion guys are pretty normal. Kriegers are a really odd bunch. There's not many people around like them period.
Massive armored and mechanized infantry assault, with heavy artillery and air support, while air-dropped troops wreak havok behind enemy lines. Typical Imperial Guard strategy.
Tadashi wrote:Massive armored and mechanized infantry assault, with heavy artillery and air support, while air-dropped troops wreak havok behind enemy lines. Typical Imperial Guard strategy.
acekevin8412 wrote:All in a days work if you ask me.
I'm work as a Loan Clerk at my local bank, and I don't think its that bad...
Brother Coa wrote:
Tadashi wrote:Massive armored and mechanized infantry assault, with heavy artillery and air support, while air-dropped troops wreak havok behind enemy lines. Typical Imperial Guard strategy.
Typical strategy of every Earth military today.
I would hate to work in an office. I'd go Elysin Drop Troops. While just as likely to die as any other guard, they get better equipment and training. And Elysia is a agri world, farms and fields. No grim hives, go growing up would have been nicer. And something about air mobile just speaks to me. Don't know why...oh ya. I'm 101st Airborne Div (Air Assault). So when I say I'd rather my job to an office, I'm talking about being a medic with an infantry battalion who has deployed.
While Kreig is a forsaken and destroyed planet. I just love their armour and they are total badasses. With them you just seem a little bit stronger being in a great coat and a rebreather. If im gonna die like a guardsmen, might as well die looking awsome.
theflaminghorror wrote:While Kreig is a forsaken and destroyed planet. I just love their armour and they are total badasses. With them you just seem a little bit stronger being in a great coat and a rebreather. If im gonna die like a guardsmen, might as well die looking awsome.
No need to die like a guardsmen when you can live like an Elysian!
