Wargames Con is back for its 4th year, bigger and better than ever!

We have grown so much that we’re the second largest Wargaming convention behind Adepticon. With that said we have decided to expand and move into a whole new venue with three times the space! This has opened up new opportunities for us and our attendees!

Here is schedule for this year’s Wargames Con 2012

Friday June 22
• Warhammer 40K and Fantasy Pairs Events
• 40K Mirror Match Tournament
• Flames of War 1750pt Early War (1-day)
• Warmachine/Hordes 15pt Blitzmachine tournament / 10 Rounds


Saturday and Sunday June 23-24
• Warhammer 40K 7-game GT
• Warhammer Fantasy 5-game GT
• Flames of War 1750pt Early War Nationals (2-day)
• Warmachine/Hordes 50pt Hardcore tournament / 5 Rounds - Saturday
• Warmachine/Hordes 50pt Steamroller tournament / 5 Rounds –Sunday
• Warhammer 40K Narrative Anti-Tournament

So what’s new?

*15 Extra Minutes for 40K players!
-All the Warhamemr 40000 GT games are now 2:15 rounds.

*Massive Vendor Hall
– 10,000 SQ Feet of vendor Space. That's right, with our new hotel, you can expect to see a full fledged vendor hall jam packed with all your favorite companies, and wargames suppliers.

• Warmachine and Flames of War
- Back in their three day all weekend event tracks. Flames of War will include the Early War Nationals Invitational, while Warmachine now includes after-hours "Up-All-Night" madness for the truly hardcore. So all you fans come on down and
spend the entire weekend with us!

• Our Warhammer Fantasy Grand Tournament returns with 2500 points with 2.5 hour rounds.

• Narrative Games! Bigger and Better!
o We are doing the Eye of Terror using the Forces of Disorder under command of a mighty Chaos Warmaster attempting to smash asunder the Imperium's Cadian Gate.
o Second theme is the Battle of Kallidus, and that means Greenskins everywhere forming a massive Waaagh that threatens to overrun the Space Marine and Imperial Guard defenders.

Its gonna be an Apocalyptic blast - oh and don't forget about all the flyer, superheavy, and Titan goodness!

• The 40K Mirror Match
This concept was so good, it had to return for its second year – if we all played the same list, who would win? This year we’ve created a new Chaos Space Marine list (unveiled soon) that gives players a chance to find out who is the best with it on Friday. Missions
will be very simple, and the winner will be strictly determined by winning games. This event is limited to 32 players, with everyone playing the first 4 games and the finals being for all the marbles.


Head on to the WarGamesCon page, and get registered.


********We are aiming to make the Warhammer 40000 GT the largest single Tournament EVER, so get your tickets fast. *********

The first 300 registrants are guaranteed a collectible badge.
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As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

archont wrote:As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

Archont,
It mainly comes down to cost and the venue you are at. There is also a big difference in a culture gap around Convention/Hotel centers in Europe compared to the US. In Europe most of your hotels don't have a convention center or it’s separated out. Also from my understanding talking to some of the German players when I was in Germany last year your venues are at ad hoc locations that have the space. Such as a Hockey Ring or specific club floor areas which you are able to handle a certain limit. In the U.S. events the size of ours, Adepticon and Nova you can't do that and have to go to dedicated spaces just for the sheer volume of people that going to the event.

That being said we are half of some other events in the U.S. mainly due to how cheap Texas is.

Nick Rose

$60 is cheap for a event in the US.

Hell i can pay $25 to play in local store.

Also remember your money (dollar or Dem) goes a lot further over here.

Any idea when the list for the mirror match will be posted? I need to start constructing mine!

OverwatchCNC wrote:Any idea when the list for the mirror match will be posted? I need to start constructing mine!

I should have it up at the end of the week.

archont wrote:As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

The prices for US events are:
Adepticon is $40+$30.00=$70
Nova Open is $35+$65=$100.00
Bay Area Open is $57

Wargames Con is $20+$60=$80

So Wargames Con is around the same price as the other major tournament in the US .

Darkwynn wrote:

archont wrote:As a german player I'd like to inquire:
How do these entry fees add up?
60$ sounds like alot.

Over here the biggest tournaments charge 25€ for 2 days

So how come over in the US tournaments cost roughly double?

Archont,
It mainly comes down to cost and the venue you are at. There is also a big difference in a culture gap around Convention/Hotel centers in Europe compared to the US. In Europe most of your hotels don't have a convention center or it’s separated out. Also from my understanding talking to some of the German players when I was in Germany last year your venues are at ad hoc locations that have the space. Such as a Hockey Ring or specific club floor areas which you are able to handle a certain limit. In the U.S. events the size of ours, Adepticon and Nova you can't do that and have to go to dedicated spaces just for the sheer volume of people that going to the event.

That being said we are half of some other events in the U.S. mainly due to how cheap Texas is.

Nick Rose

True indeed, or they are quasi free spaces provided by non-profit organisations (Vereine) or by the gouvernment for this exact purpose: So that people have a meetingplace.

Makes sense, though, you're not done with the 60$, right? You also need the entrybadge for 20, so you get up to 80$. Pretty high.

Still, best of luck to you guys

If you will participate in next years ESC I would very much like to challenge you for round 1.

OverwatchCNC wrote:Any idea when the list for the mirror match will be posted? I need to start constructing mine!

Overwatch here is the Chaos mirror match list that will go on the site soon:

Pick one HQ from the list below:

-Kharn
-Daemon Prince, Mark of Slaanesh, Lash of Submission, Wings
-Chaos Lord, Mark of Tzeentch, Daemon Weapon, Wings
-Chaos Lord Mark of Nurgle, Daemon Weapon.


This is your chaos warband:

Plague Marines 7 man squad
7 Plague Marines
Plasma gun x2

-Rhino,

Khorne Berzerkers 8 man squad
7 Khorne Berzerkers,
Skull Champion,

-Rhino with Combi-melta

Black Legion Chaos Space Marines 10 man squad
Chaos Glory
Plasma gun x1
Lascannon
Aspiring Champion with Combi Plasma

Raptors of Slannesh 6 man squad
5 Raptors
Icon of Slaanesh 20
Meltagun x2
Aspiring Champion, with Lightning Claws (pair)

Chosen of Tzeentch - 9 man squad
9-Chosen,
Icon of Tzeentch
Meltagun x3

Summoned Greater Daemon


Predator - Autocannon
Dozer Blade
Extra Armor
Twin-Linked Lascannon Sponsons

I am kind of surprised at the list.

The reason why is even though it is a mirror match I like what JWolf did last year and have lists and options where you could customize it to your own taste. For example a Librarian where you could pick your own powers, and Sicarious (sp) who gave you a USR to a troop unit.

Outside of the HQ choice (and to me it seems like a no-brainer to go with the DP with Lash) I would have expected to see some oblits in there to give each general some options in-game, but I guess in combination with Lash it might be too powerful.

Also it has one style of play which is to get close on your opponent and shoot plasma/melta.

Since all of the ranged firepower is concentrated in the Predator and one Lascannon. It would appear that whom ever goes first is at a huge advantage.

Blackmoor wrote:I am kind of surprised at the list.

The reason why is even though it is a mirror match I like what JWolf did last year and have lists and options where you could customize it to your own taste. For example a Librarian where you could pick your own powers, and Sicarious (sp) who gave you a USR to a troop unit.

Outside of the HQ choice (and to me it seems like a no-brainer to go with the DP with Lash) I would have expected to see some oblits in there to give each general some options in-game, but I guess in combination with Lash it might be too powerful.

Also it has one style of play which is to get close on your opponent and shoot plasma/melta.

Since all of the ranged firepower is concentrated in the Predator and one Lascannon. It would appear that whom ever goes first is at a huge advantage.

Allan I made the last year list also. Still keeping things interesting and having options for people to pick from. Space Marines had that option and we wanted to pick something different then Space Marines. I would think Lash would not be affective in this type of list actually because you don't have plates or items that you need to hit hard.

Darkwynn wrote:
Allan I made the last year list also. Still keeping things interesting and having options for people to pick from. Space Marines had that option and we wanted to pick something different then Space Marines. I would think Lash would not be affective in this type of list actually because you don't have plates or items that you need to hit hard.

The problem with Chaos is that they have no defense against psychic powers, so that means that they will be at the mercy of Lash.

When you have 2 equally matched armies, getting the charge is huge (not only for the +1 attack, but then you have khonre berserkers with furious charge) so you are at an advantage if you can drag a unit closer into assault range while your opponent is still far enough away that you will not get counter charged. Also being able to move units into range or out of cover with your short range shooting and not be in a position to be shot back is nice as well. .

Also being able to lash units away (especially when they have such short ranged weapons) is going to be a giant factor in who wins, as well as the ability to drag units off of objectives.

What Allan said. Other than the other army's HQ and the GD, most of the things in there cannot stand up to a charge from the DP itself, the Greater Daemon, or even just units, and ranged firepower is quite limited in terms of being able to take advantage of the target presented by a non-hide-able DP.

Also, other than the typical chosen outflank / hope they arrive before GD move, it doesn't really have much Chaos flavor ... feels pretty vanilla, but without Allan's mentioned flexibility of actual 'Nilla rines.

That said, I'm a fan of the mirror match format in general, and of using a list other than marines. So good on the process as a whole ... just joining in a little nitpicking.

I agree with Allan about the lash. I think the game will turn into a war of the lashes as players push/pull each other into and out of charge range and off objectives. I don't think that’s necessarily a bad thing because the person that knows how to mitigate lash best will have an advantage (and isn’t that good generalship?). But lash will be pivotal, and anyone not taking the lash prince as their HQ is silly. I really doubt anyone would take any other HQ, especially with so many un-mounted units, lots of targets to move around every turn.


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I vote for throwing spawn in the list. It's the only chance they have to ever see the tabletop :0P

I would like to say that I like the Mirror Match format.

That being said, what made the MM fun is how you could play the same armies, and yet customize it to fit your own play style. Last year (as I said) you could choose your own psychic powers for your librarian, Sicarious could give you a USR, and you also had the option to combat squad.

As a CSM player I was excited when CSM were going to be the MM army. The problem is that the CSM codex is not only older, but the Chaos codex (along with Dark Angels) was released in the period where GW wanted to remove all options. After looking over the codex, It just does not lend itself to the MM format.

It seems like the 5th edition codexs have a bit more customization that would better suit the MM format than the chaos codex IMO.

I agree with the posters who say the list is blah. Lash does appear superior because there is so little ranged shooting to take it out. The DP's will run rampant.

To keep the chaos theme and include Blackmoors customization, why not make 4 cultish lists.



Chaos Lord, daemon weapon, (you choose icon, whatever you choose here must be the only icon you can choose anywhere else)

5 terminators, 2 combo-melta, 2 combo-plasma, heavy flamer, icon your lord took
Dreadnought, 2x CCW, heavy flamer, extra armor

10 marines, lascannon, plasmagun, icon your lord took
9 cult marines of the icon your mark took, rhino, champ, fist or pw+meltabomb, 2 special weapons of your choice
10 marines, 2 special weapons of your choice, pw+mb, rhino, icon your lord took
10 lesser daemons

8 raptors, icon your lord took, 2 special weapons of your choice, champ with lightning claws

Defiler
Predator, side heavy bolters


I have no idea what these points are. Each list will not be the same points, but I think they will be the same power level. Tzeentch doesn't get the special weapons in the cult squad, but they are more expensive anyway and get a sorcerer who can choose a power.

This seems more like chaos to me and has customization.

We went along the path of Sacred numbers and that the Chaos book isn't what it use to be. its suppose to be a Warband army that has come together under one lord.

That being said yes, the Chaos book doesn't have the customization that the latest 5th edition books have. That is why we wanted people to select the Lord or HQ choice that was around the same points. As for people selecting Lash I think its a red herring if you really think about it. the DP can be brought down pretty easy and it will come down to generalship. People will have to block units with Rhinos, leverage cover and engage when needed. The Lord could help with that and no one has psyker Defense but there are still ways to block that power. That is what Mirror match is all about using the tools at your disposal to win.

Personally If I was playing I would go with either Kharn or a Nurgle lord and would never go first in any of the match ups. That is me though

Remember all the boards are going to be the same and I would suggest you play the army out a couple of times and see how it works. There are a lot of counters built into the list that a lot of people won't see till they play it.

Nick, Allan and I are both the types of players who will routinely use every trick in the book when playing, and leverage the most out of our lists. It's not so much a matter of evaluating whether you can tackle certain things with the list, but how and why you'd do it. Frankly, I much prefer an opponent working with very little ranged fire to try and tackle a DP and engaging in all sorts of self-harming move shenanigans to make lash moves illegal or pointless, etc., etc., than have him simply keep in mind a nasty-kinda combat lord I have.

It's 6 and half dozen, but the argument that there's depth and a lot you can do with it is a bit of a pointless one to the commenters; we're fairly familiar with that sort of stuff.

I personally feel fine about the hq choices and the list in general. On the topic of the DPs thoug I would rather the choice be a DP with wings MoT or MoK. You see them fielded less and it gets rid of lash which people seem to be against.

Never mind the lash prince. I don't see why there are any options at all. If I chose a different HQ than my opponent... it isn't a mirror match. It seems that there is still some element of 'who can build the best list' as there are four different lists to choose from when that shouldn't be a factor at all. Why not just set the list in stone (whatever it may be) and call it a day?

I checked out the wargames site trying to get some more info on the WHFB turny, but your first link is broken, and the wargames con site doesn't have any of the details for any of the events.
The Cap Ctiy Carnage site is also expired. Anyone have the current web site for it, or the details for the 40K GT?

cricketofdeth wrote:I checked out the wargames site trying to get some more info on the WHFB turny, but your first link is broken, and the wargames con site doesn't have any of the details for any of the events.
The Cap Ctiy Carnage site is also expired. Anyone have the current web site for it, or the details for the 40K GT?

Cricket,

The information is on the right hand side under downloads section. The 40k Information is posted there for each tournament. The Fantasy information we are still waiting information on the Cap city group and hopefully will have that soon.

Here is the information to the 40k GT
http://www.box.com/s/hczrflj5u7bltxyqcdov

Thanks for the info man, some how I got stuck in the shopping cart type page.

I like the mirror match list.

I am not sure any of the detractors actually competed in the MM tournament last year

The Mirror Match was a blast last year. You had a good pool of people who took the whole thing in the spirit that it was intended. A very high level of sportsmanship was maintained all around.

blood angel wrote:
I am not sure any of the detractors actually competed in the MM tournament last year

I would not say I competed, but I played in it!

Are mission details going to be made public in advance?

I know the packet says that there will be primary and secondary mission objectives, is that all the info we'll be getting?

Knowing deployments/objectives, random/fixed turn lengths, etc. is a big deal for those of us who still have to paint whatever army we decide to bring!

:-D

In the past they have not released the missions prior to the tournament.

Traceoftoxin wrote:Are mission details going to be made public in advance?

I know the packet says that there will be primary and secondary mission objectives, is that all the info we'll be getting?

Knowing deployments/objectives, random/fixed turn lengths, etc. is a big deal for those of us who still have to paint whatever army we decide to bring!

:-D

We will be posting Missions early this year. Hoping to have them up for feedback to everyone on Jan 30th. Our group is meeting the next three weeks to build them out.

We used to not post missions but with a different system and some of the changeswe figured it would be best to be transparent.

Tranparency for the win. I'm thinking I migh be able to make it down for this year. Last year I just missed being able to due to work so hopefully no Tornados hitting large towns this year

Hulksmash wrote:Tranparency for the win. I'm thinking I migh be able to make it down for this year. Last year I just missed being able to due to work so hopefully no Tornados hitting large towns this year

Hulk,

if you come down we will have to get a game in. I heard great things about you from the Dallas Rumble Tournament. Would love to get a good game in.

You got it buddy. I'd say let's get a game in at Adepticon but that is one busy damn weekend so I'll settle for a game if I make it down this year

Blackmoor wrote:In the past they have not released the missions prior to the tournament.

At first I was like

Darkwynn wrote:We will be posting Missions early this year. Hoping to have them up for feedback to everyone on Jan 30th. Our group is meeting the next three weeks to build them out.

We used to not post missions but with a different system and some of the changeswe figured it would be best to be transparent.

But then I was like

Thank you both for your responses.

Hulksmash wrote:You got it buddy. I'd say let's get a game in at Adepticon but that is one busy damn weekend so I'll settle for a game if I make it down this year

Yeah, well depending on what happens on Sunday I might have time. I signed up for the team and championship. If they don't change BT by then hoping to get in the final rounds with BT and make something happen. That and I am doing a couple of dinners with the Geek Nation tours to help out and meet new people.

If I suck it up on Friday though I should have some time on Sunday.

Agreed, If we both suck it up on Friday we'll get a game in on Sunday before I head out

Hell Hulk if you make it down we should all play. But if you are coming to town just email us and we can make sure you get grabbed from the Airport.

This year should be a lot of fun. The new Venue is nicer, there are better food places around us and within walking distance plus you get to yell at the Bols guys. What more could you want right?

Hopefully the shirt I designed gets posted soon introducing Commissar Wolf. I just wish I could be playing it heh.

GoatboyBBMA wrote:Hell Hulk if you make it down we should all play. But if you are coming to town just email us and we can make sure you get grabbed from the Airport.

This year should be a lot of fun. The new Venue is nicer, there are better food places around us and within walking distance plus you get to yell at the Bols guys. What more could you want right?

Hopefully the shirt I designed gets posted soon introducing Commissar Wolf. I just wish I could be playing it heh.

Well Mr. Goatperson, it is high time we played at Wargames Con!

Let's sweeten the pot a little bit too, so how about a wager? The loser draws on the winners bags!

I think it will just be me drawing on the bags! Hahahaha. That is usually better hehe.

GoatboyBBMA wrote:Hell Hulk if you make it down we should all play. But if you are coming to town just email us and we can make sure you get grabbed from the Airport.

This year should be a lot of fun. The new Venue is nicer, there are better food places around us and within walking distance plus you get to yell at the Bols guys. What more could you want right?

Hopefully the shirt I designed gets posted soon introducing Commissar Wolf. I just wish I could be playing it heh.

Sounds awesome. It really is first on my list after NOVA for my fly too event this year. I'll hit ya up once I know for sure what's going on

Well this year is looking better for me tournament wise - so will see where I go. I want to go to all of them and draw on every bag, but the wife will only let me play so many nerd events hehehe.

Also, Brad, both Nick and Thomas are in the NOVA Invitational in 2012, if they brass up and attend

All you have to do is, you know, qualify.

It is my plan this year - . My anniversary is before and I will most likely be doing something that weekend before this event so I should be able to make it this year. That is my plan so far.

@MVB

Well since the Bugeater mysteriously isn't on your list of qualifier events I'll just have to take Adepticon, The Indy Open, or WargamesCon (assuming I make it). That doesn't sound to hard so maybe I'll just win all three

AH! Bugeater should be on there

I'm a forgetful freddy.

Well if I can't win one of 4 of those events I shouldn't be playing in it this year anyway

Hey, as long as ya'll and others are GOING to all these events, I'm a happy camper. All tournaments doing better makes the tournament scene as a whole better.

The less GT personnel compete with each other, the less divisive our hobby becomes.

Hulksmash wrote:@MVB

Well since the Bugeater mysteriously isn't on your list of qualifier events I'll just have to take Adepticon, The Indy Open, or WargamesCon (assuming I make it). That doesn't sound to hard so maybe I'll just win all three

Well Hulk there is a lot of good compentation coming down for Wargames con so might be tough. You have Ben Mohile, Wyatt Traina, Marc Parker, Paul Murphy, Greg Sparks, Da boyz crew, some from Blade and bolter, a very strong group from Germany and of course Shaun Lowery who won last year.

You will need to bring out the big guns none the less.

Nick, definitely looking forward to the event. I know that Shaun, Jay, and Eric of DaBoyz will be in attendance as well as Marc Parker. Should be an awesome time especially with the new venue. It’s been a while since I’ve played in a seven game tournament, all the better!

@Goatboy – we’re running out of room on my bag, we’ll have to squeeze in a new one or two somehow.

The atmosphere of this event is amazing. The seven round format is the best anywhere in the country. It takes a tiny bit of pressure off of every single game and gives you a 'smooth' feeling the whole weekend.

This event is truly worth the expense and time. You get 7 to 10 games of 40k against the best in the country and even if you have a rough game in the mix you are not out of the running for best over all.

It is awesome to see how the field shakes out on day two with at least 40% of the filed still in the hunt for one of the top spots.

DaBoyz will be attending. This will be my first time in Texas I hope the locals are nice to us Northerners.

Darkwynn wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:@MVB

Well since the Bugeater mysteriously isn't on your list of qualifier events I'll just have to take Adepticon, The Indy Open, or WargamesCon (assuming I make it). That doesn't sound to hard so maybe I'll just win all three

Well Hulk there is a lot of good compentation coming down for Wargames con so might be tough. You have Ben Mohile, Wyatt Traina, Marc Parker, Paul Murphy, Greg Sparks, Da boyz crew, some from Blade and bolter, a very strong group from Germany and of course Shaun Lowery who won last year.

You will need to bring out the big guns none the less.

Oh I have no doubt of the competition level there. I was 100% kidding. One of the main reasons WargamesCon is on my list this year is the quality of the field that generally shows up to attend. Much like Adepticon and the Nova it's top notch competition which is what's truly fun.

Honestly I'll be lucky to pull a win at any of them but for me it's the chance to get out and play a bunch of games generally against awesome and fun people. Normally with a list I designed and painted within the last month or two

@Jay

It's the rudest state in the US!!!!!!!! I'm kidding. We lost my little brother to Texas....He's never gonna move away! Damn you Austin!!!

Hey Guys, Ben Mohlie here. I'm definitely planning to go to Wargamescon again this year, it is honestly my favorite 40k event. The hotel is awesome, comfortable, with great general spaces to hang out and tell war stories after a hard day of wargaming. The competition is of the highest possible quality, with most of the major names in US 40k in attendance. I love the seven game format too, since it allows for their battle point system to pick a clear winner and yet still enables someone to lose a game and still be in contention. Last year the mirror match tournament was a lot of fun, so check that out too. Or if tournaments aren't your style, the narrative events looked like a blast. I could hear the cheering from across the hall last year. So whatever your style is I'm sure you'd have a good time at this event. And if all else fails you can come down to heckle Goatboy and Darkwynn!!

It is shaping up to be a good event.

Last year I did not do well on the first day and had to crush 3 guys in the lower bracket on day 2.

I hope you are going to play in the Mirror Match tournament again Ben. You beat me last year playing your Space Marines, now with the switch to chaos it is an army that I have played before!

Yea I am really looking forward to this. How hot is going to be in Texas that time of year. Do I need to bring my speedo? I hear the hotel has a pool.

@ blackMoor I would love get a rematch. it been along time since we played. I remember it was a GW GT.

Jay, you definitely do not need a speedo. In fact, you should never discuss you and speedos again. The pool is awesome though, and a wonderful place to relax and swap war stories.

Allen, I forgot they were doing Chaos Marines this year for the mirror, now we'll be in your territory instead of my own, uh oh!

The longer time limit this year will help a lot too. I don't think I ever ran out of time last year myself, but being able to have a little more cushion is sure to improve everyone's experience.

If all works out, Team Zero Comp will be coming in force this year.

We look forward to coming home with all the awards, muahahaha!!

You'll have to get past Mephiston...

At this point I have no idea what I'm bringing though.

blood angel wrote:You'll have to get past Mephiston...

Haha, well then, I'm screwed!

It's up to the rest of the team, now!

Ok, so speedos are in this year? Good, cause I don't want to be the only guy sporting one again.

Seriously though we're coming down in full force, circuit training and cross training has just begun and were taking lots of liquid vitamins (beer) to prepare... Can't wait for another awesome
Weekend!

Chandler

Duke,

I don't know if drinking that Coors banquet beer will work. I mean from Honeybadgers response it is a marginally accepted party beer!


That won't fly in Texas

@Jay

I have pictures of Rodney Dangerfield coming back in that speedo swimmer movie. I don't think I will be able to get rid of it ever now.

Well, part of the issue is that he simply just doesn't give a **** (Cause he is honey-badger). I have warned him about the dangers of peddling more of that "beer." All I can say is that spiced crap is all yours bud!

Duke

Does anyone know how many tickets are left for the mirror match? I have not decided if I am going to play in that or the team event.

Jay,

Mirror Match has a dozen or so tickets left; pairs has a lot of space still. Mirror Match is a pretty good rogues gallery event, and pairs lets you play with your Forgeworld toys. Choose your own adventure.

How many tickets are left for the 40k GT?

Jay_Daboyz wrote:Does anyone know how many tickets are left for the mirror match? I have not decided if I am going to play in that or the team event.

Play in the Mirror match fun laid back and good stuff =)

Come on Nick, you have to play in the Mirror Match again. It is Chaos this year and that is your "thing".

I bought my Mirror Match ticket because I was afraid it would sell out, but I was going to wait to get the 40k GT ticket for a week. Is the 40k GT close to selling out too or am I safe to wait a week?

OverwatchCNC wrote:I bought my Mirror Match ticket because I was afraid it would sell out, but I was going to wait to get the 40k GT ticket for a week. Is the 40k GT close to selling out too or am I safe to wait a week?

You are safe to wait a week. We aren't Adepticon, and a lot higher percentage of our players have longer travel distance, so we sell slower.

Looks like Team Zero Comp will be getting an RV and taking an epic road trip to Austin TX from NorCal for Wargamescon!

We're not completely committed yet, but damn close. Hopefully we'll see you all there!

40K & Warmachine events.. So damn tempting to roll up to Austin for this.

I heard there might be a ban on gk. Is that true?

-666- wrote:I heard there might be a ban on gk. Is that true?

That would be a negative 666. Anyone who is saying that has no connection to Wargames con in any way shape or form.

All armies are that can be used are in the download section for the GT.

Okay it sounded like bull hockey to me. I just wanted to make sure.

Please tell as many people that you can not to bring grey knights,

Thank you!

Not only am I bringing Grey Knights, I'm bringing Purifiers.

Wolf 11x wrote:Not only am I bringing Grey Knights, I'm bringing Purifiers.

That depends. Are you bringing the entire Chapters compliment of 30 Purifiers?

Just kidding, I am probably bringing a Draigo list

OverwatchCNC wrote:That depends. Are you bringing the entire Chapters compliment of 30 Purifiers?

Just kidding, I am probably bringing a Draigo list

35 actually.

I took a mixed GKT list last year. Draigo, 5 Paladins, 20 Terminators, 3 Dreadnoughts. I ended up 28th in the RTT, which wasn't bad, given that it was my 2nd tournament. I think I could place much higher now, especially if I were to run actual Draigowing.

Whoa you guys keep name dropping parker he hasn't won anything in years. Will stekel be there, I heard he is a living god of war? Imagine if every GT had a Avatar of that gent.... nevermind that would really suck!

My personal goals this year is to win 6 games(but not 7), not lose my shoes again and avoid being hugged by any crying strippers. Oh and finally catch that damn stegadon!

Can I use a chaos sorcerer with warp time in the MM?

Shinkaze wrote:Whoa you guys keep name dropping parker he hasn't won anything in years. Will stekel be there, I heard he is a living god of war? Imagine if every GT had a Avatar of that gent.... nevermind that would really suck!

My personal goals this year is to win 6 games(but not 7), not lose my shoes again and avoid being hugged by any crying strippers. Oh and finally catch that damn stegadon!

Can I use a chaos sorcerer with warp time in the MM?

Mentioning he-who-must-not-be-named is going to get the mods in here awfully quick.

Shinkaze wrote:Whoa you guys keep name dropping parker he hasn't won anything in years. Will stekel be there, I heard he is a living god of war? Imagine if every GT had a Avatar of that gent.... nevermind that would really suck!

My personal goals this year is to win 6 games(but not 7), not lose my shoes again and avoid being hugged by any crying strippers. Oh and finally catch that damn stegadon!

Can I use a chaos sorcerer with warp time in the MM?

I'll tell you a secret.. I'm the Stegadon. You aint catching me.

Hey I always go second now so no seizing to save your bacon!

Just as a heads up to the people playing MIrror match. Since the updated FAQ came out and from feedback we decided to change up the Mirror match list.

Here is the updated list:



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D2amKrhFqUY/TzGeyu-P7QI/AAAAAAAALlI/9cjzaYFrYTY/s320/MirrorMatch-CSM-1500.jpg




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blood angel wrote:

Shinkaze wrote:Whoa you guys keep name dropping parker he hasn't won anything in years. Will stekel be there, I heard he is a living god of war? Imagine if every GT had a Avatar of that gent.... nevermind that would really suck!

My personal goals this year is to win 6 games(but not 7), not lose my shoes again and avoid being hugged by any crying strippers. Oh and finally catch that damn stegadon!

Can I use a chaos sorcerer with warp time in the MM?

I'll tell you a secret.. I'm the Stegadon. You aint catching me.

I always thought you were the Unicorn Paul?

I will just wait until April and the new Chaos codex gets released to see the final list.

Blackmoor wrote:I will just wait until April and the new Chaos codex gets released to see the final list.

Oh man that would be amazing. I have been dying for a new cam dex, I was so dissatisfied with the last one that I sold my entire Wordbearers army.

I am getting really excited about this event I can't wait tip June.

Any updates on getting the missions available to the public?

Traceoftoxin wrote:Any updates on getting the missions available to the public?

Trace,

we are still working on them as for now. Hoping to have something up in two weeks. We were setbackanswering the response to the mirror match and wanted to put a much higher need and focus on that as it takes time for people to prepare and buy the needed materials for a list.

Will there be more terrain this year for the 40k GT? I was told the tables were pretty open last year with not much LOS blocking.

The tables were not open at all. They were pretty damn good.

They even go through the trouble of blocking out some windows on the lower floors of buildings to add to the LOS blocking.

At this tournament you get to play 40k the way it was meant to be played.

-666- wrote:Will there be more terrain this year for the 40k GT? I was told the tables were pretty open last year with not much LOS blocking.

666 starting to wonder where your getting your information from

We have tons of terrain and was one of the biggest comments we got last year was how great the terrain was to cover the size of our touranment.

Here is some examples from others doing reviews of Wargames con. They will have some shots for you to get an idea of the tables.

http://19thlegion.blogspot.com/2011/07/wargamescon-2011-coverage-mission.html
http://19thlegion.blogspot.com/2011/07/wargamescon-starts-today.html

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2011/07/11/tournament-curcuit-wargamescon-2011-results-commentary/

Pictures of the boards from Blood of Kittens

https://plus.google.com/photos/107907279539770901529/albums/5627794890632020353/5627796765191535426?authkey=CKGQ6-yC86L2wgE&banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/107907279539770901529/albums/5627794890632020353/5627796765191535426

Hope that helps If you have any more questions just ask.

Darkwynn wrote:

Traceoftoxin wrote:Any updates on getting the missions available to the public?

Trace,

we are still working on them as for now. Hoping to have something up in two weeks. We were setbackanswering the response to the mirror match and wanted to put a much higher need and focus on that as it takes time for people to prepare and buy the needed materials for a list.

Thank you very much for the response.

Eagerly awaiting the mission

Okay thanks Darkwynn. I am planning to roll on down with the posse now.

Sorry all for running behind on these with the recent changes in the FAQ and reworking the mirror list it took us a little longer to play test and work on missions.

Here are some example missions that will be run at Wargames con.


Mission Alpha

Deployment: Pitched Battle

Primary Objective
• Seize Ground - 5 objectives. Players will roll off to place objectives before rolling to see who decided to go first/ deployment. Objectives follow standard Seize ground rules and must be 12 inches or more away from the Table edge and another objective.

Secondary Objective
• Marked for Death -Eliminate a Troop Choices not including a dedicated transport. Opponent gets to pick decided before game starts.

Tertiary Objective
• All in Area Control: Table quarters to the right of the opponent are areas of control and must be maintained. Which ever play has the most victory points in that table quarter of any unit controls the table quarter. If the victory point difference total is 150 points or less its considered a draw.


Mission Beta

Deployment: Dawn of War

Primary Objective
• Kill Points – whoever has the most Kill points at the end of the game wins. If both players have the same amount of Kill points the players tie.

Secondary Objective
• Central Command – Control the middle, any unit within 12” of the center will count as controlling the middle. Whoever has more units in the middle will control the middle. Count units controlling the middle the same way as you would kill points. Ex. A 10 man tactical squad with a Chaplin would count as two units controlling the center

Tertiary Objective
• Over the line: If you have a unit within 6” of the opponent’s long table edge. Any unit counts as long as you have a unit within 6” inches. This is winnable by both.


Mission Gamma

Deployment: Pitched Battle

Primary Objective
• Capture & Control – Whoever scores the most objectives wins this mission. Place objectives the same way from the book. You deploy your objective when you deploy your army.
Secondary Objective
• Victory points – If the player scores 150 or more victory points they will win this objective. If the difference between both players is 150-0, players will tie.
Tertiary Objective
• Behind the lines: Have units in the enemy deployment zone. Both players can achieve this mission.

Mission Delta

Deployment: Spearhead

Primary Objective
• Seize ground 3 Objectives – There is one objective placed in the middle of the board. The other two objectives follow the same rules as Seized ground objectives and are placed by the player. They have to be 12 inches away from the table edge and 12 inches away from another objective including the middle objective.

Secondary Objective
• Kill points – Kill points out of the Main rule book. Whoever has more kill points at the end of the game achieves this objective.

Tertiary Objective
• Table Quarters: Players have to control table quarters, players control table quarters by having the most amount of victory points in that table quarter. There is no difference in Victory points. If a player has one more victory point over the player they control that table quarter.

Thanks for the response Darkwynn.

When you say example, you mean we can expect missions with these style of objectives, or that these are the actual missions used in some yet-unannounced order?

Traceoftoxin wrote:Thanks for the response Darkwynn.

When you say example, you mean we can expect missions with these style of objectives, or that these are the actual missions used in some yet-unannounced order?

Actual mission in unannounced order

That being said we are taking feedback to make the missions better. So they could change but something tells me it will only be slightly.

Generally speaking I don't like missions that use VPs in 5th ed. 5th ed (and beyond) codices aren't balanced VP wise so using VPs as a mission objective, even secondary or tertiary, can cause problems. I also find that I need to carefully count my opponents VPs in order to insure a true result and in some cases vice versa. I would say substitute KPs for VPs wherever possible and if it isn't possible perhaps rethink the objective. Just my .02, will these also be the missions for the Mirror Match?

I'd prefer that similar objectives be the same throughout the missions rather the slight variance - in a tight game it could easily lead to some confusion. Also the wording for the tertiary in the Alpha mission is confusing.

Well the 19th Legion should be there defending both the Mirror Match and 40k Grand Tournament title.

Darkwynn wrote:Mission Alpha
Deployment: Pitched Battle
Primary Objective
• Seize Ground - 5 objectives. Players will roll off to place objectives before rolling to see who decided to go first/ deployment. Objectives follow standard Seize ground rules and must be 12 inches or more away from the Table edge and another objective.

Secondary Objective
• Marked for Death -Eliminate a Troop Choices not including a dedicated transport. Opponent gets to pick decided before game starts.

Tertiary Objective
• All in Area Control: Table quarters to the right of the opponent are areas of control and must be maintained. Which ever play has the most victory points in that table quarter of any unit controls the table quarter. If the victory point difference total is 150 points or less its considered a draw.

I'm not a big fan of fixed five objectives, but I see that you've got fixed three later, so that balances out. Nice. I also appreciate that they're player-placed. Good show!

Marked for death needs to be more specific about when the units are designated. I strongly advise that it be after deployment. Player going first has to name his target first.

I don't think I quite understand the tertiary. Each of you is trying to gain control of the quadrant to his opponent's right? Is that correct? And you need more than 150pts in excess of your opponent's total in the quadrant to hold it? So if I have a 105pt unit in the quadrant to my right, you need to have 256vp worth of units in there to take it?

Darkwynn wrote:Mission Gamma
Deployment: Pitched Battle
Primary Objective
• Capture & Control – Whoever scores the most objectives wins this mission. Place objectives the same way from the book. You deploy your objective when you deploy your army.
Secondary Objective
• Victory points – If the player scores 150 or more victory points they will win this objective. If the difference between both players is 150-0, players will tie.
Tertiary Objective
• Behind the lines: Have units in the enemy deployment zone. Both players can achieve this mission.

C&C: In the book you place objectives before either player deploys, and the guy with choice of DZ has to place his first. I strongly advise you keep it that way, rather than having them placed when you deploy your army.
VPs: I think you mean "Compare victory points scored; if one player has 151 or more in excess of his opponent's total, he wins. If the difference is 150 or less, it is a draw". Is that right?
BtL: Unit singular or units plural? Do they have to be completely in, or can it just be the majority of the unit? If the latter, and the unit is evenly divided, do you randomize?

Any updates? On missions or anything?

Bueller? Bueller?

Any word on the Mirror Match missions? Are they the same as the 40k championship missions?

Final Missions for the GT are coming up; we fixed them at the workday today and they are getting formatted this weekend.

Mirror Match uses straight book missions and deployments.

jwolf wrote:Final Missions for the GT are coming up; we fixed them at the workday today and they are getting formatted this weekend.

Mirror Match uses straight book missions and deployments.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks jwolf.

Will we get to see missions for the 40k team tournament, before the tournament too?

shank911 wrote:Will we get to see missions for the 40k team tournament, before the tournament too?

I'll give you a hint, at least. There are certain armies that are very popular that might find the team tournament missions more challenging than a normal game.

Looking forward to a great event.

On an unrelated note, if anybody wants to save on the cost of your hotel stay, shoot me a PM. I need a roomie or 3.

When will list submission be due?

And when are badges and such to be sent out?

List were due the 30th, but it is no big deal, all you have to due is bring 9 copies (in army builder) to the tournament. They should check your list for any validity checks when you register (If you already sent your list in, they will have 9 copies waiting for you during registration). I believe last year they had the badges laid out in the gaming hall for people to pick up after they have registered.

I am looking forward to the event. : )

shank911 wrote:When will list submission be due?

And when are badges and such to be sent out?

Badges are picked up at registration; I am not aware of any tournament or convention that mails stuff out, but addresses help us sort people for pairings.

Liquidice281 wrote:List were due the 30th, but it is no big deal, all you have to due is bring 9 copies (in army builder) to the tournament. They should check your list for any validity checks when you register (If you already sent your list in, they will have 9 copies waiting for you during registration). I believe last year they had the badges laid out in the gaming hall for people to pick up after they have registered.

I just feel bad, cause been in the scenario of going through someones list right before a tourny. Although, I only signed up for the Team event, and had heard that the 30th was the date but, couldn't find any proof or and email about it being due.

CKO wrote:Well the 19th Legion should be there defending both the Mirror Match and 40k Grand Tournament title.

I still wake in a cold sweat because of my mirror match defeat in the last round at the hands of the 19th legion! You all cunningly dodged me in the main event, but this year I shall have my revenge! Looking forward to seeing you guys there.

Ill be there.

If you wana say hi look for the kid with the blue and gold eldar.

I'll be there to play in the Narrative event (and for open gaming) with my Armored Company!

Were we supposed to receive any sort of confirmation that our lists for the 40k GT had been received and that our copies will be ready and waiting?

Frankie and I will be there with the eldar/dark eldar combo! Very much looking forward to this!

@jwolf and darkwynn
How easy is it to get downtown, such as 6th street from where we are at the hotel?

OverwatchCNC wrote:Were we supposed to receive any sort of confirmation that our lists for the 40k GT had been received and that our copies will be ready and waiting?

No. I can verify for you if you'd like, PM me your name.

Reecius wrote:Frankie and I will be there with the eldar/dark eldar combo! Very much looking forward to this!

@jwolf and darkwynn
How easy is it to get downtown, such as 6th street from where we are at the hotel?

It is an easy to get downtown from the hotel in a cab.

@jwolf

Awesome! That is good news, as Austin crawls with good looking girls, one of the many cool things about that city. Last time I was there I met so many cool people, I really liked the city a lot.

Looking forward to seeing all you guys, JWolf.

Reecius wrote:@jwolf

Awesome! That is good news, as Austin crawls with good looking girls, one of the many cool things about that city. Last time I was there I met so many cool people, I really liked the city a lot.

Looking forward to seeing all you guys, JWolf.

Reecius I want to hang with you!

Jay_Daboyz wrote:

Reecius wrote:@jwolf

Awesome! That is good news, as Austin crawls with good looking girls, one of the many cool things about that city. Last time I was there I met so many cool people, I really liked the city a lot.

Looking forward to seeing all you guys, JWolf.

Reecius I want to hang with you!

Reece, you'll have to start the "cool kids" group/table in order to just get around Austin I am having visions of 40k paparazzo already

edit* I kid of course, this is no way a ding/slam on Jay or Reece.

@Jay

The more the merrier!

@Overwatch

Cool kids? Hahaha, we're playing with toy soldiers, how cool can we be =)

And no offense taken at all. Looking for ward to seeing you there, buddy!

I picture Reece again on Sunday morning hung over wearing a robe.

Blackmoor wrote:I picture Reece again on Sunday morning hung over wearing a robe.

You know this! hahaha

Reecius wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:I picture Reece again on Sunday morning hung over wearing a robe.

You know this! hahaha

This is the real reason everyone is so excited Reece is attending.

I just can't promise a pink, silky robe like the one we got Goatboy to wear at the BAO! hahaha

Reecius wrote:I just can't promise a pink, silky robe like the one we got Goatboy to wear at the BAO! hahaha

That's too bad those were super stylish.

Four of us big-tournament first timers will be coming down from East Texas. Can't wait to get in the mix and see what all the fuss is about.

Games up here are events that involve a lot of joking, shooting the breeze, pausing for treats or eats, etc. They usually last 3 1/2 to 4 hours for 2k points. I think we can do it in 2 1/4, but it'll feel like sliding down a vasaline cliff wearing teflon boots.

sgtboz wrote:Four of us big-tournament first timers will be coming down from East Texas. Can't wait to get in the mix and see what all the fuss is about.

Games up here are events that involve a lot of joking, shooting the breeze, pausing for treats or eats, etc. They usually last 3 1/2 to 4 hours for 2k points. I think we can do it in 2 1/4, but it'll feel like sliding down a vasaline cliff wearing teflon boots.

I think you'll have a good time. It is an adjustment to play without breaks, but you're Texans, so I have confidence in you.

Team Adonis will be there.

Gay porn hard!

We'll have a full bar. Working on getting shot girls; wish me luck.

jwolf wrote:We'll have a full bar. Working on getting shot girls; wish me luck.

Best news about this yet! Shot girls or no shot girls, the full bar is a nice touch.

I agree, because win or lose, we still booze! haha

It looks like I am going to miss this one.

My mom ended up in the hospital today, and I have to keep an eye on her this weekend.

Sorry to hear that,(hope everything is ok) make sure that I and the rest, will post some pictures.

@blackmoor
Condolences, buddy. Sorry you won't make it.

I have no doubt that my mom is going to out live me, but it sucks not going.

I will see some of you at the Nova open. My southwest credit expires in Jan, so I might have to hit up Da Boyz or Feast of Blades.

What time do doors open for check in on Friday?

We'll be there about 7:30 or so Friday morning.

Jwolf have you guys posted any missions yet?

@Reece Im repping a list that youll love.

@ Smitty0305 - We have not posted the missions. We're not going to do so. The primers that Darkwynn posted a long time ago in this thread are a pretty good idea of the missions, though.
Scoring is as posted in the rules packet. We don't have any really crazy objectives in the missions.

@ Late Lucy - Online registration is Offline, but we can still shoehorn in a few more people. Email me at wargamescon and I'll get you on the list.

Jwolf, will any tables be available Thursday evening for practice or pickup games?

themonk wrote:Jwolf, will any tables be available Thursday evening for practice or pickup games?

Absolutely. First thing we will set up is some open gaming tables.

@Smitty

Nice! Looking forward to seeing it!

I'm rocking a list that'll have the TOs claiming "You're everything wrong with this hobby!"

Wolf 11x wrote:I'm rocking a list that'll have the TOs claiming "You're everything wrong with this hobby!"

If you're playing GK in the 40k GT then you'll be in good company. Including mine

@ OverwatchCNC

I bet that more than 45% will be playing some type of GK list...because I'm one of them.

The competition for the "You list is what is wrong with 40K" award is already pretty fierce, even with a significant number of lovely people not submitting their GK monstrosities for early review.

The award is actually a very nice knee in the groin from Goatboy - and who wouldn't want that prize?

jwolf wrote:The competition for the "You list is what is wrong with 40K" award is already pretty fierce, even with a significant number of lovely people not submitting their GK monstrosities for early review.

The award is actually a very nice knee in the groin from Goatboy - and who wouldn't want that prize?

Goats have knees!?!

*the more you know*

I should have printed this as a watermark on my lists:

http://i.imgur.com/b76Oi.jpg

I'm glad there's a narrative tournament for many reasons:

1) I get to field my Armored Company!! YAY!!!
2) I can stay away from you all crazies in the GT! Not that there's anything wrong with it, but some of us can't take the pressure of a major GT.

Especially if we can't field our unreasonably huge invesment in IG tanks...

jwolf wrote:The competition for the "You list is what is wrong with 40K" award is already pretty fierce, even with a significant number of lovely people not submitting their GK monstrosities for early review.

The award is actually a very nice knee in the groin from Goatboy - and who wouldn't want that prize?

A knee in the groin from one of the progenitors of the uber GK ?

I'll take it.

Wolf 11x wrote:I should have printed this as a watermark on my lists:

http://i.imgur.com/b76Oi.jpg

you playing crons still or new army?

Smitty0305 wrote:

Wolf 11x wrote:I should have printed this as a watermark on my lists:

http://i.imgur.com/b76Oi.jpg

you playing crons still or new army?

I used Necrons at AlamoGT last year (and should note I was the ONLY one there with that army and lost out on free beer to a Tau player). A few months back, David Light was telling me Jay Roy still gets teased one in a while for losing to me.

In retrospect, I should have thrown that game. I played Dash in the 2nd round and crazyredpraetorian in the 3rd and got tabled in 2 turns in each game.

I took Grey Knights to Wargamescon last year and I'll be using Grey Knights again this year.

I haven't finished "rebuilding" my Necrons as my prior army was invalidated by the new codex. I actually ended up selling it all.

Wolf 11x wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:

Wolf 11x wrote:I should have printed this as a watermark on my lists:

http://i.imgur.com/b76Oi.jpg

you playing crons still or new army?

I used Necrons at AlamoGT last year (and should note I was the ONLY one there with that army and lost out on free beer to a Tau player). A few months back, David Light was telling me Jay Roy still gets teased one in a while for losing to me.

In retrospect, I should have thrown that game. I played Dash in the 2nd round and crazyredpraetorian in the 3rd and got tabled in 2 turns in each game.

I took Grey Knights to Wargamescon last year and I'll be using Grey Knights again this year.

I haven't finished "rebuilding" my Necrons as my prior army was invalidated by the new codex. I actually ended up selling it all.

Yea I remember talking to you at Alamo, I always thought Destroyer wings were cool.

Smitty0305 wrote:Yea I remember talking to you at Alamo, I always thought Destroyer wings were cool.

I look forward to seeing you at Wargamescon! We'll be getting in late tonight and playing in the doubles tomorrow.

We've been following your "trilogy." Well done at Railhead. Buck was bummed we couldn't go, but I just started my current job in March.

Wolf 11x wrote:

Smitty0305 wrote:Yea I remember talking to you at Alamo, I always thought Destroyer wings were cool.

I look forward to seeing you at Wargamescon! We'll be getting in late tonight and playing in the doubles tomorrow.

We've been following your "trilogy." Well done at Railhead. Buck was bummed we couldn't go, but I just started my current job in March.

yea man Ill come say hi, GL with the doubles.

So it looks like Orks took Best Overall and Necrons took Best General.

Unholy_Martyr wrote:So it looks like Orks took Best Overall and Necrons took Best General.

You were there? Wish I had known, would have been cool to play a game!

150 ork boys are so meta breaking it is both awesome and shouldn't, although it probably is, be all that surprising.

Tons of dark eldar, and IG, way more DE than I ever expected.

Let me guess....orks brought battlewagons and crons brought a variation of wraithwing.

jy2 wrote:Let me guess....orks brought battlewagons and crons brought a variation of wraithwing.

Not a single battle wagon. 150 boys, nob bikers and warboss on bike.

Well, maybe I'm half-right?

Just hope orks didn't take forever to move, shoot and assault with his horde army.

jy2 wrote:Well, maybe I'm half-right?

Just hope orks didn't take forever to move, shoot and assault with his horde army.

I heard no complaints of slow playing or games not finishing. Then again I spent my weekend on all the high number tables because I did terribly!!!

@Overwatch

Sadly I was not in attendance. Between the ATC and NOVA I wasn't able to make it to Wargamescon. Spent the day on the couch after having my washer fall on me (yea that sucked) and watched the last few games on ustream and saw the posts by Tasteytaste.

Oh and Allan had 2 Warbosses from what I remember. Whatver the case, 150 Boyz are a nightmare for every Meta army. Even the Hyper Aggressive DCA I've been playing at 2k would have a hard.time and that's not including the Nob Bikers.

Ben used his Necrons to win the tournament I went to last weekend. Not wraithwing as far as I know.

As far as I saw it only had 6 Wraiths.

He had (from my guess):
Anrykar in CCB
Overlord in CCB
Royal Courts
3 Immortal Squads in Scythes
Warriors in Ark
2 squads of Scarabs?
6 Wraiths
2 units of 3 Spiders

Unholy_Martyr wrote:As far as I saw it only had 6 Wraiths.

He had (from my guess):
Anrykar in CCB
Overlord in CCB
Royal Courts
3 Immortal Squads in Scythes
Warriors in Ark
2 squads of Scarabs?
6 Wraiths
2 units of 3 Spiders

Sounds about right. The real problem with the current tournament scene, and thank god 6th is here in 6 days, is that the meta is so marine centric that a player can take something like 150 , which is good period, and prepare to dominate based upon everyone else prepping to fight marines.

Ork armies do very well in multi-objective missions do to the fact that they are a kill point denial army.

Final Results

Top 4 armies as follows:

Orks
Necrons
Deamons
Necrons

Let the Orks are overpowered threads begin.

What a great tournament, BOLS did a splendid job.

Thanks to all who made the tournament possible, and I hope everyone has safe travels back home.

Alan is an excellent ork horde player, good to see them do well and to see Chicago represent. Of course they're overpowered, it's only six points per boy

What were the results for the team event anyone know?

They didn't post them Friday when me and my partner had to leave.

We took this picture of the results Friday night:

http://i.imgur.com/BaW9t.jpg

However, team Next Level Painting's score was counted incorrectly in the second round (and they jumped from 32 battlepoints to 51).

Come to think of it, I wish I had played an easy 3rd round opponent (with 20ish points instead of 34). Would have meant we wouldn't have faced some Hades Drill whatever-the-hell bull ! I will say we still beat them 15-0 despite having no idea what their units did (and never being shown actual rules).

I think there were 27 tables, so 54 teams in total, although I could be mistaken.

OH and 2 things:

1) Dust Warfare looks really, really awesome. For the price point, it's looking really difficult to avoid giving the starter set a go.
2) Privateer Press hooked me as they were giving out a free started set for Warmachine / Hordes for anyone who did their free demo. As someone who hasn't played Warmachine or Hordes, I'm really stoked about getting into the system. From what I saw, it looks like something I'll have a blast playing.

That Hades drill team was me, and y'all never asked to see the rules, I had offered to show the book.

Had we gone first, that game would have ended differently.
Considering I had like 10hours of sleep the three days before we did decently.

The top two tables opponents we would have smashed after I saw there list.

shank911 wrote:That Hades drill team was me, and y'all never asked to see the rules, I had offered to show the book.

When I asked, "What do this do?" I was expecting you to fully explain it to me in good faith. Saying "It's like a Mawloc" was very misleading, whether intentional or not. To be fair, we would have spread out more if we knew what they did, but the game would have gone the same.

Had we gone first, that game would have ended differently.
Considering I had like 10hours of sleep the three days before we did decently.

In my opinion, you both deployed too aggressively. Your entire armies were on open ground in clear line of sight, despite knowing we had first turn.

The top two tables opponents we would have smashed after I saw there list.

I wouldn't make such a bold claim. There were far better players than either of our teams on the tables surrounding us.

I came in 5th, 3 of the top 5 were necron players. (Take that Grey Knights)

Did Ben know that you cant use Anrykar special rule if you are embarked in a Command Barge? It doesnt really matter as he and Allan both dominated the field.

I'm interested in seeing the team results as well, team adonis had 2 massacres and an 8/7 minor victory.

Results will be posted on our website soon. We are still going through them and double checking while trying to spin down from the aftermath of the event .


I hope everyone had a good time and if you have any feedback. You can send a message to me here or to our email address here: wargamescon@gmail.com

Understandable, you guys were swamped! On the whole, the event went very well and I was impressed by your ability to keep everything relatively on time. I don't remember any rounds being pushed back more than 15 minutes.

Darkwynn wrote:Results will be posted on our website soon. We are still going through them and double checking while trying to spin down from the aftermath of the event .


I hope everyone had a good time and if you have any feedback. You can send a message to me here or to our email address here: wargamescon@gmail.com

I will say the extra space between tables was fantastic. I really appreciated not feeling cramped. It's the little things.

Just got back from WargamesCon.

As usual it was a blast. The new hotel was fantastic.

For anyone interested here is blog post I made with Ben's Full List and Alan's as well. Also some pics of the kickass armies I saw

http://bloodofkittens.com/blog/2012/06/25/tournament-circuit-wargamescon-2012-wrap-up/

Darkwynn wrote:Results will be posted on our website soon. We are still going through them and double checking while trying to spin down from the aftermath of the event .


I hope everyone had a good time and if you have any feedback. You can send a message to me here or to our email address here: wargamescon@gmail.com

Really great event, every year I can go I will!

Thanks to all the BOLS guys for organizing it.

The hotel was great and I was able to finish all of my games, will definitely be there next year.

Great event, I had a lot of fun. It's always nice to put faces to names.

Wait Chumby and you never said Hi to me!! I didn't see a hobbit!!

Who did yall get your tokens for objective done by?

I saw the people that got a bag got objective tokens with it.

Anyone know what the SOB list was?

pretre wrote:Anyone know what the SOB list was?

Im like 90% sure it was russels list that is basically your list except rhinos instead of immolators.

Interesting. Good for him. Nice to see the ladies place well.

Had a great time at the WarCon, will go again.

What a weekend, I had a blast as always at WargamesCon. I got to play a ton of really challenging games against great opponents, I couldn't have thought of a better way to send out 5th edition. Congratulations to Alan for edging me out for best overall, He played flawlessly all weekend and still had 5 more points than me when the smoke cleared even though I managed to win our game 25-5. No one else could get a single point on him!? Really!? Comon guys theres only 180 orks on the table!!

The event was really well run as always, thank you to the tournament organizers and the judging staff.

BRING ON 6th EDITION!

CKO wrote:I came in 5th, 3 of the top 5 were necron players. (Take that Grey Knights)

Did Ben know that you cant use Anrykar special rule if you are embarked in a Command Barge? It doesnt really matter as he and Allan both dominated the field.

Yeah don't worry I know. Anrakyr either walked around with tomb spyders or cruised in a nightscythe. On the weekend he claimed a manticore, a storm raven, and a raider with his tachyon arrow.

Oh and no I was not using anything like "wraithwing", I'm not a big fan of one dimensional armies. Instead I was rocking...NIGHTSCYTHES! Which honestly won me all my hardest games. Favorite night scythe moment was against Alan. For the mission we each had to kill the other guys HQ. I screwed up and left my lord in charge range of the nob bikers, and they drove over and killed him. He falls over breifly, makes his reanimation roll, moves 6, hops in a nightscythe, and boom I'm garunteed to draw that objective because even if the scythe goes down he will just walk on and hide in a corner! (i was going second)

You can check out blood of kittens for my exact list.

Darkwynn wrote:Wait Chumby and you never said Hi to me!! I didn't see a hobbit!!

Sorry, brah, I was too busy winning all over the place.

Spacecurves wrote:What a weekend, I had a blast as always at WargamesCon. I got to play a ton of really challenging games against great opponents

I watched half of your last game. It is good that you have such a good command of the rules, because your opponent didn't. I hope that it was because he was playing a new army for the American ETC team, but he had a very poor grasp of the rules (I am bad with rules myself, but that was awful).

I have to reiterate the same as Blackmoor here, your rules knowledge was very solid. But sadly Joe's was very very poor and was making it painful to watch. Along with the over measuring several times early with ravens..razors..DC..Just a rough game to watch, I am personally extremely surprised he made it to table 1 for round 7. ( Not meant to be bashing Joe or his army)
Just simply from viewing that game, I cannot imagine how he ended there. Otherwise, well played game Ben, I also find your necron list quite effective and out of the ordinary, well done.

One query though, how did your game with Alan go? I am sure the NS's ability to pump out wounds truly helped alot along with an ample supply of scarabs were the most important things in your list. Any change your barge was able to snipe out the nobz? and did the lightning fields ever come into effect?

Clauss wrote:
One query though, how did your game with Alan go? I am sure the NS's ability to pump out wounds truly helped alot along with an ample supply of scarabs were the most important things in your list. Any change your barge was able to snipe out the nobz? and did the lightning fields ever come into effect?

You can actually watch all the table 1 games on the heroic 28's ustream page. My game with Alan was round 6:

Game Six objectives were:

Pick an opponent HQ and kill it while keeping yours alive
5 Objectives
Capture and Control: bottom left and top right objective (from camera view) counted as the capture and control objective.

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/the-heroic-28s-40k-live

It was an extremely close, awesome game. And yes, lightning fields were AWESOME!! Won me a key combat, and were so scary alan never wanted to charge that unit with his nobs. The tesla destructors were, as always, amazing weapons, and night scythes were just excellent units. In fact, the reserve rule allowed me to tie the kill the HQ mission.

I will try to get some picture up today from WarCon.

Wargamescon was a blast, really fun. Had a great time, saw friends and played nothing but fun, very challenging games. The mighty, mighty footdar finished up 5th strong, going 4-0-1. I dropped in the finals when I drew the same ig player two games in a row. I just didn't want to play ig 4 times in the same event. My opponent was a great guy, I just didn't want to do it! Haha, jwolf was nice enough to step in and play ringer for me and I was able to watch the last games. Awesome to see all the "bad" armies doing so well! Well done to Alan and Ben, and just goes to show: players win tournaments, not lists.

Thanks to the bols crew for putting on the event.

Reecius wrote: I dropped in the finals when I drew the same ig player two games in a row.

How does that happen?

I believe they were the only two to get a tie in their game and based on battle points they were paired against each other.

That still is pretty lame. You can bump them to the next closest people based on any other factor. Playing the same person twice at an event like that (in a row!) is just uncool.

Sorry Petra but it’s the top 16 tables. They are paired pure swiss and by that element they would be forced to play each other mainly due to how they scored. The difference was quite far between others and if we did that would start changing and skewing systems if you take Swiss to its pure element. We will try to switch them around if the point difference isn't far but sometimes you can't

Now for the lower bracket which is run like a traditional GT we switched people all the time in the lower bracket. The top though is excluded because at its essence it’s a competitive event.

I wasn't mad about it at all, I wasn't in the hunt to win as my army doesn't smash people. I was undefeated, but all my victories were small. Alan and his Orks got max points in almost every battle! Haha, by game 5 my 100 battle points didn't even come close to his 150! hahah, and I was hung over as hell so I opted to just watch.

Darkwynn wrote:Sorry Petra but it’s the top 16 tables. They are paired pure swiss and by that element they would be forced to play each other mainly due to how they scored. The difference was quite far between others and if we did that would start changing and skewing systems if you take Swiss to its pure element. We will try to switch them around if the point difference isn't far but sometimes you can't

Now for the lower bracket which is run like a traditional GT we switched people all the time in the lower bracket. The top though is excluded because at its essence it’s a competitive event.

Would you mind posting the overall scores for the tourney? I've not had much luck contacting via the email address.

@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

Actually I walked up and offered to switch Reecius and his opponent, and would have done it right then (I have no respect for the rules, privilege of being the boss), but someone wanted to take a nap to prepare for an evening of introducing the young ladies to his own magnificence. Had a great game with Reecius' opponent Carl, and maintained my unbeaten tournament play streak with Tau.

pretre wrote:@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

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I appreciated that on the second day they split the lower end of the field off for a 2nd day RT style event. Getting a clean slate and starting over was nice, by doing that though the top bracket simply must accept that some wonky things like this may occur. No one had a problem with it so I don't see why you're making a big deal out of it. Ultimately other competitive events, to the best of my knowledge, don't give the lower end of the field a chance to start over with a clean slate day 2 and the chance for more prizes. So you're trying to compare apples to oranges which is hardly fair.

OverwatchCNC wrote:

pretre wrote:@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

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I appreciated that on the second day they split the lower end of the field off for a 2nd day RT style event. Getting a clean slate and starting over was nice, by doing that though the top bracket simply must accept that some wonky things like this may occur. No one had a problem with it so I don't see why you're making a big deal out of it. Ultimately other competitive events, to the best of my knowledge, don't give the lower end of the field a chance to start over with a clean slate day 2 and the chance for more prizes. So you're trying to compare apples to oranges which is hardly fair.

While the latter half of that quote is not entirely true, it's a fair statement in general to say once an event's format is set, you need to follow it to ensure fairness and everything else. The competitors weren't upset over it (Reece had a headache / etc., and didn't want to play guard again ... nothing about his opponent), and the format / points called for it. One of those situations here where the nonparticipants care more than those who understood the format and were fine w/ it being followed.

Oh, I completely cop to me being more concerned about it than the actual participants. It is simply a matter of me not wanting to play the same person twice.

I'll take it as a 'Yes, other events would do this as well.' though and let it go.

pretre wrote:@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

Derkwann... Cute,


Moving away from the trolling. We will post scores from the event at our website. www.Wargamescon.com

Darkwynn wrote:Derkwann... Cute,

I was making a joke since you called me Petra.

Moving away from the trolling. We will post scores from the event at our website. www.Wargamescon.com

Woah, ease up on the troll button. I had an honest question about the way playing a player twice worked and then made a joke because you horribly misspelled my name. There's no beef here.

I ike the fact they split the tournament, I miss the championship round by 15 points, only one lost to a GK player. Played in the RTT and took Best General, even though I had more points then the Overall Champ, (yeap tie beaker sucks.....BP+painting) I still had a great time, but I was hoping take revenge in my only lost, did not get to play against him. Once again great tournament, see ya next year and some of ya'll at the ATC

i enjoyed the rematch system, It was super competitive

I re matched Russel Adams (sisters) he was my round 2 and round 7 opponent

i also re matched Dimitri Fetisov (Mech BA) he was my round 5 and 6 opponent

thanks for running a super fun event!

Darkwynn wrote:

pretre wrote:@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

Derkwann... Cute,


Moving away from the trolling. We will post scores from the event at our website. www.Wargamescon.com

Sounds like a legitimate question to me. At any GT I go to, I have the expectation that I will not play the same opponent twice. I don't think he was blasting you for doing it, but that it intrigued him.
It also is a possibility for next year, will there be any changes to prevent this from happening?

Doubt it, nor is there a reason for it to change.

In a 7 round tournament it only happens in the later rounds when the overall winner is being determined.

Basically if you are there just trying to have a good time and are not on the top tables it will never happen to you if it is a real 'concern.'

A lot of people don't want to play the same opponent twice in the same event. Sounds like a legit reason for change.

Maybe some more clarification would help people understand.

Day 1 there is 4 rounds that everyone in the event plays. There should never be someone who plays the same person in this round or from there same area as we sort by zipcode along with other variables.
Day 2 we split the tournament into two events. The first we take depending on the number of people in the event a % that move on and keep their same scores. They are then reseeded based on their battlepoints off day 1..
The other group below the cutoff get a whole new start and their battle scores reset to zero( They keep sportsmanship and painting).

The top bracket is sorted and plays against people who made the top. This could be someone who they played from yesterday because of seeding for day 2.
If Day 2 they have close scores and they want to switch we will try to switch them with scores that are close unless Scores are diverged enough by 30+points.

The bottom bracket is a classic old school Rogue GT and we can switch and move people around all the time which we did quite frequently as that is more of a relax tournament and for fun.

so short if your going to be there competitive and you expect to be in the top 16 it could happen but we can move things around if needed ( That is why you see resposnes from Blood angel and Next level painting who were both in the top 16). If your there for fun that is something you don't need to worry about playing someone you have already played.

Cool, thanks for the clarification. That makes a bit more sense.

jwolf wrote:Actually I walked up and offered to switch Reecius and his opponent, and would have done it right then (I have no respect for the rules, privilege of being the boss), but someone wanted to take a nap to prepare for an evening of introducing the young ladies to his own magnificence. Had a great game with Reecius' opponent Carl, and maintained my unbeaten tournament play streak with Tau.

You did indeed offer to switch, but I did indeed want to go back to bed! hahah, thanks for that, super nice of you.

And Carl was awesome, I really enjoyed the game with him, too.

I guess they won't have to wonder about the rematch if you beat them twice!

Ever since ATC I'm not very interested in GTs but I wouldn't miss WGC for anything! It's the bomb!

40k scores posted on the website. Www.wargamescon.com

Darkwynn wrote:40k scores posted on the website. Www.wargamescon.com

With the numbers 2 (bad game), 6(good game), and 8(excellent game) it is impossible to get the number 9. How did I possibly get a sportsmanship score of 9 rofl?

Hmmm... I am interested to know how an army that wasn't based or finished got a paint score of 25 but I got a 24 with a finished and based army... I assume it is a misprint. Not that it matters since I clearly wasn't going to win anything last weekend playing the way I did!

Darkwynn wrote:

pretre wrote:@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

Derkwann... Cute,

Nick, don't misspell other folks' handles, and they'll usually spell yours right too. Most dudes aren't as friendly about being called a chick's name.

Darkwynn wrote:Moving away from the trolling. We will post scores from the event at our website. www.Wargamescon.com

99%+ of events make a point of not pairing the same people twice. It was a legitimate question, and deserved the real answer it got later. The format makes sense, but it's unusual enough that explaining it shouldn't be a big deal. Thanks for doing the right thing.

Mannahnin wrote:

Darkwynn wrote:

pretre wrote:@Derkwann: (heheh) Would any other competitive event do the same? Seems kind of strange.

Derkwann... Cute,

Nick, don't misspell other folks' handles, and they'll usually spell yours right too. Most dudes aren't as friendly about being called a chick's name.

To be fair, I'm used to being called all sorts of things due to my unusual real name, so it isn't so bad. lol

Any ideas from the organizers as to why there was such a big upset in codexes at the top levels? Missions or top level players just said 'F GKs!'?

I wasn't there or anything but from reading batreps, there were several "kill HQ" or "kill marked unit" objectives. This could have given necrons an advantage as their HQ's can keep coming back. Ben mentioned jumping anrakyr into a night scythe to save him since the special rule puts him back into reserves.

Darkwynn wrote:40k scores posted on the website. Www.wargamescon.com

Ohhh you made my score 69 ......................................... Rofl

My dad and I are clearly greater than the sum of our parts.

We were 3rd overall in doubles. I placed 17th in the RT and he placed 100th. I'll tease him about this until next year.

pretre wrote:
Any ideas from the organizers as to why there was such a big upset in codexes at the top levels? Missions or top level players just said 'F GKs!'?

The reasons why are:

All of the Grey Knight hate has turned off some of the Grey Knight players.
Necrons have quietly become the best codex.
Everyone has figured out how to beat Grey Knights by now.

Blackmoor wrote:All of the Grey Knight hate has turned off some of the Grey Knight players.
Necrons have quietly become the best codex.
Everyone has figured out how to beat Grey Knights by now.

Cool, I figured that was some of it, but it is nice to see some confirmation. Necrons are pretty nasty.

mostly it was due to people not wanting to play Grey knights and it was the end of 5th edition. Lots of 5th edition apathy and people who came wanted to have fun. Saw tons of Dark Eldar players and even nids who used to play Grey knights.

Well, whatever the reason, it is nice to see.

Any chance of posting the team tournament results, or are they already out somewhere I haven't found yet? We didn't stick around that night for the printed wall posting since the year before they were on-line that night.

Thanks!