so, forgeworld have just announced (via facebook, im not sure if the newsletters have officially been sent out yet) the deimos pattern predator (aka pre heresy predator), here it is in all its glory.... really no excuse not to start a pre heresy army now.... just gotta learn how to paint purple =)



at £46 its a bargain (imo and as far as forgeworld prices go)

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/DEIMOS-PATTERN-PREDATOR_.html

also (thank you medium of death for noticing this one) the macharius omega



looks like a giant plasma cannon with tracks.... so good =), £99 which I assume is good for a FW superheavy.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/MACHARIUS-OMEGA.html

Ooooh... Yes please!

Alternate turrets...

Oh boy, more classic stuff Still, I love those heavy bolters

How much do these go for on ebay though?

those sponsons are better than the current plastic ones IMO. I loved the rhino and this is really hard to resist. I think some of these might have to make it into my IW army.

kenshin620 wrote:Oh boy, more classic stuff Still, I love those heavy bolters

How much do these go for on ebay though?

they go anywhere between $25 threw $50 on ebay

Might want to put this in the OP

Added the predator to my wishlist for first 2012 order. Hope they'll release a vindicator soon.

Medium of Death wrote:Might want to put this in the OP

Now that's a SunGun!

Definitely adding a pair of those predators to my shopping list for next year

We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Oh yeah the Omega is going in my Krieg army.

His Master's Voice wrote:
We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Huh...interesting

So when are we getting a Zoat?

all right forge world, you win.

So... what pre-heresy legion should I start?

His Master's Voice wrote:We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Hmm... what to do with it though?

i thought that there were fimir in the new bound monsters book?
probably get one just to paint though as i dont really play whfb anymore

Flashman wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Hmm... what to do with it though?

hmmmm.... paint it pink?

Flashman wrote:

His Master's Voice wrote:We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Hmm... what to do with it though?

Use them as awesome Dragon Ogre stand-ins? Assuming of course there's going to more than one.

bubber wrote:i thought that there were fimir in the new bound monsters book?
probably get one just to paint though as i dont really play whfb anymore

Hmmm I dont know about that, I do know in Storm of Magic you can use a Fimir Wizard but thats it

Yay! Lovin the old predator. I have one of those orginal dome styled turrets, I like how they stayed true to the look and at the same time made it look like it doesn't suck.

Been wanting to redo my marines from scratch as an all FW old style armor army.. I just need one of my powerball tickets to finally win me something...

His Master's Voice wrote:

We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Yup, definitely not a Lizardman thing...

Going to be using Pre-Heresy tanks in my space wolf army me thinks. All I have is a couple of razorbacks so far so just the ticket

Will be cool to see what their doing with the fimir will probably be some kind of merc unit

That predator is sexy.

Polonius wrote:all right forge world, you win.

So... what pre-heresy legion should I start?

Night Lords of course (using the BA codex).

I may have to buy that big ol gun on tracks .... so many things on the list lol

I'm curious to see if they'll be giving the pre-heresy predator special rules like the rhino and LR.

His Master's Voice wrote:

We've got ourselves a Fimir...

So, so very happy right now...

Oh...my...holy...emperor....I NEED THAT PREDATOR!!!!!!!!LOOKS FRIGGIN AHHSUM !!!!

Although, as my esteemed colleague, CURNOW pointed out, where is his tail?

Fimir belonged to certain caste depending on their tails. (club/maced tails for warriors, fianna fimm, Slicing/cutting tails for nobles/lords and smooth tails for the Dirach and Meargh spellcasters).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Although, as my esteemed colleague, CURNOW pointed out, where is his tail?

Fimir belonged to certain caste depending on their tails. (club/maced tails for warriors, fianna fimm, Slicing/cutting tails for nobles/lords and smooth tails for the Dirach and Meargh spellcasters).

Possibly somewhere behind it, lost amidst its tabardy thing and its shirt, maybe. Or it was cut off in a tragic photoshop accident. Or retconned.

I dig it regardless.

Yay! Predator, I am a happy marine player today.

His Master's Voice wrote:

We've got ourselves a Fimir...

Is this Fimir connected to the Tibia? Just shootin' from the hip here...

i dont do tanks but.....i do want one of these even if its just to paint up cammo with "born to kill " painted on it ..

YES! Original Predator.

I love it.

Out of interest what are the fimir , i mean i play fantasy but i've never heard of them before?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fimir

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fimir#.TvOGozVSQ-0

blackclaw1 wrote:Out of interest what are the fimir , i mean i play fantasy but i've never heard of them before?

Race of one eyed swamp people iirc

They got canned because they reproduced by stealing women I think so that was not good for marketing

But with Storm of Magic, they have returned a bit with other long lost races such as Zoats

Medium of Death wrote:Might want to put this in the OP

I'm liking that!, but German Elefant anyone?

Ah crap ... was gonna spend upcoming check on things i needed but OH Well...

Win! And I rest on my 'it's definitely not a Kroxigor laurels!'

What other PH stuff can they release?? Seems to me ther is only the Landspeeder left....

Anyhoo, the PH Pred, LR and Rhino will be added to my collection, as soon as I get around to painting the 100's of infantry, 3 drop pods, 10 dreads and 7 tanks I have waiting in queue already...

:S

I thought the landspeeder was of post heresy vintage? Hence why Chaos Marines don't get it.

MajorTom11 wrote:Win! And I rest on my 'it's definitely not a Kroxigor laurels!'

What other PH stuff can they release?? Seems to me ther is only the Landspeeder left....

Anyhoo, the PH Pred, LR and Rhino will be added to my collection, as soon as I get around to painting the 100's of infantry, 3 drop pods, 10 dreads and 7 tanks I have waiting in queue already...

:S

Jetbikes?

Maybe some of the Imperial Army stuff too

MajorTom11 wrote:Win! And I rest on my 'it's definitely not a Kroxigor laurels!'

Shush you!

What other PH stuff can they release?? Seems to me ther is only the Landspeeder left....

Calling them "Pre-Heresy" is a mistake, which bugs FW's guys to no end.

It's "Pre-Heresy" in the sense that it existed before the Horus Heresy, but if that's true then the Thunderhawk is "Pre-Heresy" as is the "current" Rhino and Predator. In FW's eyes, it's simply a different "pattern" of vehicle.

Kanluwen wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Win! And I rest on my 'it's definitely not a Kroxigor laurels!'

Shush you!

What other PH stuff can they release?? Seems to me ther is only the Landspeeder left....

Calling them "Pre-Heresy" is a mistake, which bugs FW's guys to no end.

It's "Pre-Heresy" in the sense that it existed before the Horus Heresy, but if that's true then the Thunderhawk is "Pre-Heresy" as is the "current" Rhino and Predator. In FW's eyes, it's simply a different "pattern" of vehicle.

Now you're just being pedantic, so... you can shush!

They still really should release Pre-Heresy Terminator armor - that would be nice and make FW a lot of money...

Personally I'd like to see Forgeworld do, in the same way they have just done the regular armour patterns for marines, the following in various multipart kits.

The Original



The 2nd Variety



The 3rd Wave




Here they are lined up...

I die at the sight of the first edition terminator..been searching at least one for the past 4 years...

MGS - I'm not sure that those styles of Pre-Heresy Terminator Armor 'exist officially' anymore.

I love the "M&M" Terminator, but I won't be too sad if we get suits that look like this:

I really like the first terminator models, it would be great if they got an updated version from Forgeworld.

Although I think the 'Collected Visions' artwork is most likely to realised first, if the Contemptor is anything to go by.

Which it probably isn't.

Alpharius wrote:MGS - I'm not sure that those styles of Pre-Heresy Terminator Armor 'exist officially' anymore.

I’m sure that this time last year no one thought the old-style Dreads would make a return, so I wouldn’t count out the ancient Terminators quite yet.

That said, those ancient Dreads did show up in the Sabretooth card-game artwork, whereas the Terminators are like the one you posted. Personally I hope for that type of Terminator (not the original prototype models). Friend of mine has an Iron Warrior army and every Terminator is converted to that Pre-Heresy style. Looks ace.

I am not sure I would pay for 'pre-heresy' terminator kits. Not at FW prices anyways. You can pull it off pretty darn well with Maxmini parts as is.

@ Alpharius, I thought that style of termie you posted was the MK0 version, a praetorian or something like that?

http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour_home.htm

Personally I don't care what style FW chooses to make, I would buy any of them!

Man, good thing Im already broke...or FW would be killing my bank account with that Pred and the Land Raider.


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SickSix wrote:I am not sure I would pay for 'pre-heresy' terminator kits. Not at FW prices anyways. You can pull it off pretty darn well with Maxmini parts as is.

Yes, you can make some great ones with currently available bits, but as a huge Terminator fan I say bring on some FW pre heresy stuff...Im all for as much Termie stuff as I can get.

Actually Im currently sitting on a set of those shoulder pads awaiting a project for them...Im thinking CSM bodies, but not sure what kind of heads and weapons. SHould note this priject (like all of mine) arent for 40k, the are mostly for fun, but may get used with the Warengine game system.

I love the sponsons on that thing. Why are tanks so cool!?!

That's true, there is still plenty left to mine... Jetbikes and Pre-heresy Termies would be awesome too.

@Polonius, I am not sure about older fluff, but the FF artwork certainly shows a few of them (unless I am badly mistaken, can anyone verify?)

@Kan, you are right, Thunderhawks and everything up to Mk7 armor are heresy era stuff... but pre-heresy? I believe Mk5, 6 and 7 were invented during the heresy, and I also believe the newer versions of the vehicles were either during or quite a ways after the heresy? Again, cheaper materials, less tech? Anyhow, I think you know what I mean by PH, I simply mean updates of olf RT and 2nd edition models.

My wishlist from FW?

New fluff Thunder Warriors... I always wondered why they weren't with the other PH armors, but with the new fluff, it is starting to make sense!

PH Terms, but something more in line with the RT era models, but updated of course. I find the current fluff PH terms could be done with new shoulder pads and GK helmets... I would prefer something more unique, like the MK5 looking PH Termy armor the Carcharodon IC wears

Legio Cybernetica. I love what they did with the contemptor, would love more big bots!

PH Landspeeder and PH jetbikes.

Non-marine? I think Mechanicus/Mechanicum would be truly epic from them!

Commander Cain wrote:@ Alpharius, I thought that style of termie you posted was the MK0 version, a praetorian or something like that?

http://www.tearsofenvy.com/termi-nation/armour_home.htm

Personally I don't care what style FW chooses to make, I would buy any of them!

The problem is, I'm not sure what is 'official' anymore!

The HH 'Collected Visions' book seems to have defined that, for now.

So... the MK0/Praetorian seem to be the leading candidate for what we'll be getting from FW in terms of Crusade/Heresy Era Terminators.

And that's OK by me!

MajorTom11 wrote:Legio Cybernetica. I love what they did with the contemptor, would love more big bots!

Wouldn't that be nice.

Cant believe people ever thought that was a kroxigor.. Listen to the lizardmen players!

Dark Mechanicus and Sisters of Silence would be bigger than Elvis.

I'd be ok with Dark Mechanicus. Like the Fimir, but it doesn't give me the impression that he's a caster.

Also hoping for more of the Elemental Incarnations (especially Death, Shadow and Metal)

Worglock wrote:I'd be ok with Dark Mechanicus. Like the Fimir, but it doesn't give me the impression that he's a caster.

Probably because this one is a Fimir Warrior...

-Loki- wrote:

Worglock wrote:I'd be ok with Dark Mechanicus. Like the Fimir, but it doesn't give me the impression that he's a caster.

Probably because this one is a Fimir Warrior...

Ok. There are no rules for Fimir Warriors anywhere that I know of (yet).

I was hoping for a model for the Fimir Caster from Storm of Magic.

Edit: and a Zoat.

Any word on whether or not FW will sell those sponsons seperately so that you could attach them to a regular predator kit?

Those converted Termies look great, but then, so does the original. I've recently found mine (sans back banner, of course). I've got to figure out how to base him now. He's got a 25mm slotta, though I'll want to base him on a 40mm, but then again since they're old, rare models now, I don't want to clip off the slottas. Perhaps I'll cut a slotta into some 40mm bases. It precludes them having "heroic" poses like the Termies above, but it might be the best option...


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BTNeophyte wrote:Any word on whether or not FW will sell those sponsons seperately so that you could attach them to a regular predator kit?

Those sponsons are designed to specifically fit onto the older-mark Rhino side plates, if you look carefully. You'd have to do some work to get them to fir into the standard square-side-door rhino hatch-hole.

Funnily enough, after reading this thread - what popped into my mind was about the "SM Flyers rumour' was infused with thoughts about SM Jetbikes.....

more Fimir:

along with the following message:

As no-one managed to guess correctly (!), our three-part tease was in fact a Fimir Warrior, and we’ll be releasing these dread creatures in a set of three during the first quarter of 2012. You can see the completed jigsaw below along with a shot of the unit to whet your appetite, and rules for these detailed resin models will be featured in the forthcoming Warhammer Forge Monstrous Arcana book.

dont know who they asked but a good number of us guess fimir

And I guess that answers the 'where are their tails?' question: Hidden by the angle.

Good News! (everyone...)

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Good News! (everyone...)

I'm happy that all of the Fimir Booty Aficionados can now rest easy over the holidays!

Alpharius wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Good News! (everyone...)

I'm happy that all of the Fimir Booty Aficionados can now rest easy over the holidays!

Be careful of your tone... the FBA have friends everywhere...

Alpharius wrote:
So... the MK0/Praetorian seem to be the leading candidate for what we'll be getting from FW in terms of Crusade/Heresy Era Terminators.

And that's OK by me!

Me too.


ALso, Dark Mechanicus stuff would be cool too.

That predator is fantastic. Really, if they weren't so expensive, I would run off and retrofit my entire word bearers army with pre heresy vehicles.

Fimir are back. Hmmm, *sudden thoughts strike him on finally realizing that 3-d Heroquest board with updated and current GW figures for the old plastics* I did need a project for 2012.


I also require an Omega eventually, that tank is a thing of beauty.

Wow, thought Fimir were smaller than that....

That is one sexy Predator... time to pick up a few!

I like this predator. The sponsons are vasly better then GWs usual faire (though they should be armored to a much greater degree).

If these things didn't have smoke stacks coming out of their smoke stacks they'd be dramatically better then the actual GW models by a fair stretch.

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow, thought Fimir were smaller than that....

Fimir were always on 40mm bases but like all figures GW has ever done, they grow on each subsequent version!

I forgot all about the Fimir! Brings back so many Heroquest memories!

I really, really hope they bring on the various fimir types, slaves, fianna fimm, nobles, dirach, meargh.

Of course they will. How else will they take all your money?

You know.. I've been resisting the temptation to start ANOTHER Renegade Marine Army... but the idea of a "Reborn" force just got stronger....

(The CSM in the book said to use antiquated equipment.. thinking all Mk 1-2 Power Armor and these....)

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow, thought Fimir were smaller than that....

I believe the very first plastic Fimir that were in Advanced HeroQuest or something like that were on 25mm squares (but were kinda big).

Then they became Monstrous infantry after that and have been Ogre sized ever since.

Worglock wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow, thought Fimir were smaller than that....

I believe the very first plastic Fimir that were in Advanced HeroQuest or something like that were on 25mm squares (but were kinda big).

Then they became Monstrous infantry after that and have been Ogre sized ever since.

They were only in the standard heroquest box - you got 4 heroes, men-at-arms and skaven in the AHQ box (along with some niffty single-player rules for those of us that needed them).
They came out in metal first though.
I believe that upto now these 2 releases were the only Fimir released.
Don't mean to sound like a know-it-all & I appolgise if that's how it seems - oh the joys of Aspergers!

Okay FW. Love the old school armor. Now to complete the deal where are the old school...Land speeders!

bubber wrote:

Worglock wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Wow, thought Fimir were smaller than that....

I believe the very first plastic Fimir that were in Advanced HeroQuest or something like that were on 25mm squares (but were kinda big).

Then they became Monstrous infantry after that and have been Ogre sized ever since.

They were only in the standard heroquest box - you got 4 heroes, men-at-arms and skaven in the AHQ box (along with some niffty single-player rules for those of us that needed them).
They came out in metal first though.
I believe that upto now these 2 releases were the only Fimir released.
Don't mean to sound like a know-it-all & I appolgise if that's how it seems - oh the joys of Aspergers!

And this guy, who was the original fimir, back from way back before the big base releases...

I stand, as always, corrected!!

bubber wrote:I stand, as always, corrected!!

no probs, he's like the original tyranid, from before the hunter-slayer times, rarely remembered...
(this fella, sculpted as per the drawing in the original book)

Put Kroxigor heads on those guys and you'd have a great Dragon Ogre stand in. Hmmmm...

No good as Dragon Ogres, since they'd need 2 legs and 4 arms... but they are cool!

So are those 50mm bases in the pics?

Whenever Fimir are mentioned the confusion over their size soon follows...

I think the 28mm sized Heroquest ones are supposed to be correct, and the ogre sized ones were a mistake. But now it seems that the oversized ones have been accepted as canon by Forgeworld. If anyone would like to correct me as to the cause of the sculpting differences in the earlier Fimir miniatures, feel free.

Howard A Treesong wrote:Whenever Fimir are mentioned the confusion over their size soon follows...

I think the 28mm sized Heroquest ones are supposed to be correct, and the ogre sized ones were a mistake. But now it seems that the oversized ones have been accepted as canon by Forgeworld. If anyone would like to correct me as to the cause of the sculpting differences in the earlier Fimir miniatures, feel free.

There was a miscommunication to the designer of the fimir range that ended up making them up to the ogre size. Once it happened, they were officially 'retconned' to that size - they were small on a 40mm base at that time but being that they were always supposed to be much larger than orcs, and given how much orcs have increased in size, the upping to 40mm bases was actually fortuitous and is now accurate.

(they were strongly based on fomorian sea demons, who'sleader, Balor, had only one eye - as such, being larger creatures seems appropriate to me).

at the time, minotaurs were about the same size as were ogres (ie LOT smaller than they are now).

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:Whenever Fimir are mentioned the confusion over their size soon follows...

I think the 28mm sized Heroquest ones are supposed to be correct, and the ogre sized ones were a mistake. But now it seems that the oversized ones have been accepted as canon by Forgeworld. If anyone would like to correct me as to the cause of the sculpting differences in the earlier Fimir miniatures, feel free.

There was a miscommunication to the designer of the fimir range that ended up making them up to the ogre size. Once it happened, they were officially 'retconned' to that size - they were small on a 40mm base at that time but being that they were always supposed to be much larger than orcs, and given how much orcs have increased in size, the upping to 40mm bases was actually fortuitous and is now accurate.

(they were strongly based on fomorian sea demons, who'sleader, Balor, had only one eye - as such, being larger creatures seems appropriate to me).

Yes, reading the wiki link you provided back a few pages, when Jes designed the Fimir they where supposed to be human size but nick bibby (may him and gary morley rot in hell for their horrible sculpts over the years) sculpted them orge size and on a 40mm base. They where underpowered for a 40mm based size creature and while they came out in 3rd ed WHFB and WHFRP they where dropped for 4th edition WHBF because they use rape to propigate their race and it's not kid friendly. This is all according to a wiki page so take with a grain of salt.

Personally I would love FW to do Ad-mech it's long over due imho. I do like the pread, it looks reto-tastic to me. Gotta pander to all the older guys like us who have faund memorys of by gone 40k era days.

Thanks for the info, that makes sense! So in the pics, is it still 40mm bases (not 50)?

RiTides wrote:Thanks for the info, that makes sense! So in the pics, is it still 40mm bases (not 50)?

They where underpowered for a 40mm based size creature and while they came out in 3rd ed WHFB

I'm really liking the WFB and 40k stuff from FW... The Retro Predator is everything the modern plastic kit should have been and the Fimir will make a nice addition to my Chaos Dwarf army... not that I don't already have enough on my to buy list.

Alpharius wrote:MGS - I'm not sure that those styles of Pre-Heresy Terminator Armor 'exist officially' anymore.

They do. If you look through the Horus Heresy artbook... where the image you posted came from. Those other variants of Terminator armor are shown in a number of places. The Mk 2 is used as Ferrus Manus' body guards for example... though they're partially in shadow.

Is the M&M variant still officially in?

I've love to see a FW version of that one!