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Post by: shadowsnip
Hi guys, its three days until christmas and tbh it doesn't feel like christmas at all. It feels like late october and i feel no christmas "spirit" at all. I did last year and the year before but now I don't feel anything that makes me think of christmas. Anyone else feel this too?
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Post by: Shadowseer_Kim
Yea I feel this way too. It is generally very bleek out there.
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Post by: Necroshea
Same. Many people without jobs, no money to celebrate the season, stress all around.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
Do you know why it doesn't feel like Christmas?
Because it's not sodding Christmas, Christmas is on the 25th of December and today is the 23rd.
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Post by: WARORK93
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Post by: purplefood
corpsesarefun wrote:Do you know why it doesn't feel like Christmas?
Because it's not sodding Christmas, Christmas is on the 25th of December and today is the 23rd.
That's what living in Swindon gets you...
Cheer up lads. Have a mince pie and sing a nice song...
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Post by: Ledabot
It helps alot when family comes round and you all sit around and talk about things I think. We didn't get to do that till the day last year so it felt a bit weird leading up to christmas.
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Post by: shadowsnip
corpsesarefun wrote:Do you know why it doesn't feel like Christmas?
Because it's not sodding Christmas, Christmas is on the 25th of December and today is the 23rd.
I usually feel the christmas spirit a week before. But I hope you're right that on christmas day it feels like it should.
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Post by: Shadowseer_Kim
I am fortuneate enough to be able to afford to have a couple friends over for dinner, give a couple small gifts, and then we will probably drink and play games. As well as make some donations to charity.
I will of course be watching Christmas specials throughout the next few days.
But generally, people are depressed, the economy is making it tough on so many people. U6 or whatever they call it Unemployment in the state of Oregon is about 20% and upwards of 50% in some communities.
Add into it the fact that it has become politically unpopular to even say "Merry Christmas", put up public decorations, etc.
I miss big fancily decorated pubic trees, carolers, and even nativity scenes. I am not a Christian, but even I enjoyed the festivity of it all.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
purplefood wrote:corpsesarefun wrote:Do you know why it doesn't feel like Christmas?
Because it's not sodding Christmas, Christmas is on the 25th of December and today is the 23rd.
That's what living in Swindon gets you...
Cheer up lads. Have a mince pie and sing a nice song...
I've had "Why doesn't it feel like christmas D:" popping up on my facebook feed for three weeks and I just snapped.
I apologise.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
shadowsnip wrote:Hi guys, its three days until christmas and tbh it doesn't feel like christmas at all. It feels like late october and i feel no christmas "spirit" at all. I did last year and the year before but now I don't feel anything that makes me think of christmas. Anyone else feel this too?
You're getting older.
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Post by: Slarg232
No snow means it's not christmas :/
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Post by: Avatar 720
People, I give you Christmas:
"What do you want?"
"Nothing."
"You can't have nothing, what do you want?"
"I don't want anything."
"You can't not have anything."
"Yes I can, I don't want anything."
"Fine, i'll just get you something random."
"Don't waste your money."
"Then tell me what you want."
"Fine, i'll just have money."
"You can't just have money."
"...ASDFGHJKLQWERTYMNBVIUOFR!"
I'm just not interested in Christmas at the moment. I don't want to be indebted to someone by recieving a present and feeling obliged to return the favour. Wrapping presents pisses me off, as does putting up decorations.
/Scrooge.
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Post by: shadowsnip
Avatar 720 wrote:People, I give you Christmas:
"What do you want?"
"Nothing."
"You can't have nothing, what do you want?"
"I don't want anything."
"You can't not have anything."
"Yes I can, I don't want anything."
"Fine, i'll just get you something random."
"Don't waste your money."
"Then tell me what you want."
"Fine, i'll just have money."
"You can't just have money."
"...ASDFGHJKLQWERTYMNBVIUOFR!"
I'm just not interested in Christmas at the moment. I don't want to be indebted to someone by recieving a present and feeling obliged to return the favour. Wrapping presents pisses me off, as does putting up decorations.
/Scrooge.
you contradict that statement with your avatar haha
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Yeah, feel the same way. I had a lovely "gift giving and getting" week, but no sign of christmas.
It's been going down the toilet every year. Eventually we aren't even going to call it christmas. It's just going to be "end of the year gift day with jesus references"
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Post by: Albatross
Not feeling christmassy? This should help:
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Post by: Samus_aran115
Albatross wrote:Not feeling christmassy? This should help:
Hilarious. Oh god I laughed.
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Post by: Albatross
Nah, just put the url there, then muffed up the spoiler tags. What a div I am.
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Post by: shadowsnip
that video actually helped a little bit lol
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Post by: Albatross
A baby with a beard always helps.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
And there's always this very very old yuletide melody...
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
I hope that's a wig, no way can any human being have hair like that.
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Post by: Khornholio
Christmas spirit hit this morning at 6:38 when the Bailey's Irish Creme hit coffee mug. Two more sleeps until Hagen Daaz White Russian breakfasts.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
For those fed up with Christmas, have seasonal guinea pig.
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Post by: Khornholio
^^ Albino Guinea pigs should definitely be part of Christmas. I love it.
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Post by: mr badmek
MeanGreenStompa wrote:And there's always this very very old yuletide melody...
THANK YOU!
I needed that. Much better than the  I've been putting up with.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
I've been trying to get him a job as a substitute reindeer but santa is having none of it
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Post by: WARORK93
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Post by: Squidmanlolz
It seems like the season's been devoted to nondenominationality and joylessness.
People just don't care.
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Post by: susejo239
Yeah...... It just doesn't feel like last year at all. Not as much of the, "Christmas is in three days! HOORAY!". It's more like, "Christmas is in three days? Huh. Time flies. Whoopie."
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Post by: Tlo1048
I couldn't agree more. Its been like this for every holiday for me. Halloween, Thanksgiving, and now Christmas.
There are just too many other things to think about, and be concerned about. Its moderately upsetting haha
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Post by: susejo239
Tlo1048 wrote:I couldn't agree more. Its been like this for every holiday for me. Halloween, Thanksgiving, and now Christmas.
There are just too many other things to think about, and be concerned about. Its moderately upsetting haha
I can't say the same about me. It's only Christmas. I think it may be just the weeks of overcast weather we've had here. It has quite an effect on me.
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Post by: Squidmanlolz
It could be the untimely lack of snow, at this point I feel that snow would just be down-right depressing.
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Post by: Easy E
Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Add into it the fact that it has become politically unpopular to even say "Merry Christmas", put up public decorations, etc.
Really, I see more Xmas lights now than ever before. I hear Merry Christams all the time. I think the "War on Christmas" is simply spin and a ratings grab from media.
I think their are a few things taking away thehristmas spirit this year:
1, The desperate hyping by stores has gotten so extreme, that it has the reverse effect. Anti-hype. (Oddly, I hear Retail sales have been good compared to last year. Not saying much I know.)
2. Bad economic times with little hope of recovery for Joe Lunchpail in the near future.
3. No snow in my area that had 17 inches last year.
4. It's on a weekend, so a lot of people don't get any extra time off.
5. People are just tired fromworkign their backsides off if they have a job, or looking desperately for one if they don't.
Of course, I have no proof for any of this so feel free to ignore.
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Post by: SagesStone
Doesn't really feel like it either and it's the 24th.
Just noticed we haven't even put up the tree yet...
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Post by: Rented Tritium
I think while some of it is the economy and how your lives are going, for MOST of you, it's definitely just that you're getting older. I'm gonna guess that a LOT of people ITT are right around 20. Years are starting to feel like they're going faster, chrismas isn't as special anymore.
That's normal. It's part of passing 20.
For everyone else, it's stress and a fairly warm winter.
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Post by: susejo239
Easy E wrote:Shadowseer_Kim wrote:Add into it the fact that it has become politically unpopular to even say "Merry Christmas", put up public decorations, etc.
I think the "War on Christmas" is simply spin and a ratings grab from media. .
I wouldn't say so. Over here, people will give you wierd looks and shun you away for saying "Merry Christmas", because they think you have no "holiday spirit".
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Post by: SagesStone
Well I do think of my birthday as just another day really.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
I had an epic lingerie Christmas party last night, which explains why random people are passed out in my bed and I'm stuck on the living room floor with a couch pillow and a snuggie. Grr. By the time the fog machine and laser lights were turned up I think I realized that the only thing "Christmas" about what I was doing was the tree. Christmas is dead?
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
Christmas isn't dead cannerus! Look at the piggy!
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Post by: SagesStone
Needs more Christmas cheer on that pig.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
He tried to eat the tinsel, someone photoshop more Christmas into the photo?
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Post by: SagesStone
He didn't die did he?...
Only needs a coat.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
I don't think so, if he did he reanimated pretty sharpish.
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Post by: Luco
I can't feel it either... I'm not sure if it is just part of growing up or what. Thinking about going on a movie watching spree and watching as many Christmas movies as I can between now and when I go back in to work (and miss Christmas Eve dinner  )
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Post by: Avatar 720
Well, it now feels like Christmas. I'm being bullied into attending family gatherings under the premise that i'll be 'ruining christmas for everyone' if I don't go, irrespective of how I feel about it.
Can't get much more Christmas-y than that.
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Post by: SagesStone
You could wear a santa hat to said forced family gatherings.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
I skipped multiple family gatherings over the years when it served my purposes. They'll get over it. Especially if they're being bitches, your dignity is worth more IMO.
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Post by: Mannahnin
As others pointed out, it's probably a combination of three things:
1. Getting older.
2. Not doing especially well economically at the moment, so not able to give/receive as much.
3. Lack of snow in your locale.
As you get older, if you want to hold onto that holiday spirit, you have to MAKE it happen.
Put up lights and a tree.
Wrap presents early and put them under the tree. If you have your own place, keep the presents for other people under your own tree, carefully labeled, to add to the festive air and show off the nice wrapping.
Make seasonal holiday treats like cookies and glogg to fill the house with holiday smells.
If you bake cookies or anything else you can share, share some with your neighbors, if you can. A pleasant gesture like this at the holiday can really brighten the day.
Watch holiday movies and listen to holiday music.
With the music, a lot of folks complain that they get sick of the old "classics" and find them tiresome. But there's a TON of good music out there too which isn't so overplayed. A friend of mine is a huge fan of The Jackson 5 christmas album, and I have to agree that it's outstanding.
Glad Yule and Joyous Noel!
And so the Shortest Day came and the year died
And everywhere down the centuries of the snow-white world
Came people singing, dancing,
To drive the dark away.
They lighted candles in the winter trees;
They hung their homes with evergreen;
They burned beseeching fires all night long
To keep the year alive.
And when the new year's sunshine blazed awake
They shouted, revelling.
Through all the frosty ages you can hear them
Echoing behind us - listen!
All the long echoes, sing the same delight,
This Shortest Day,
As promise wakens in the sleeping land:
They carol, feast, give thanks,
And dearly love their friends,
And hope for peace.
And now so do we, here, now,
This year and every year.
-Susan Cooper
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Post by: dogma
My parents called me this morning to wish me a Merry Christmas, I was immediately bewildered and had to look at a calendar to remind myself of the date. This is especially hilarious as my girlfriend, presently living in France, called me via Skype last night (very early this morning) to do the same. In that span of time, maybe 5 hours at most, I had forgotten it was Christmas.
Besides not being a huge family person, I'm a PK, so I've seen the sausage being made, so to speak.
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Post by: lone dirty dog
corpsesarefun wrote:For those fed up with Christmas, have seasonal guinea pig.

Great what you having with it sprouts, carrots, parsnips some roast potatoes no need for pigs in blankets, nice change from turkey mind you don't see it feeding the whole family.
Merry Christmas and a slightly better new year as if thats going to happen……….
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Post by: shadowsnip
Guys I'm starting to feel it!!!
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Post by: lone dirty dog
shadowsnip wrote:Guys I'm starting to feel it!!!
Good for you, now continue drinking till you wake and realised you have over spent in debt up to your eyeballs fell out with all your love ones insulted your boss and been fired and you are lying in a pool of what ever you ate over the last 2 days.
Now you have the new year to look forward to as well
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Post by: susejo239
shadowsnip wrote:Guys I'm starting to feel it!!!
I am too. It might have something to do with the fact that it's Christmas Eve.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
dogma wrote:Besides not being a huge family person, I'm a PK, so I've seen the sausage being made, so to speak.
...player killer? I seriously don't know what else to say here.
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Post by: dogma
My present to myself has arrived:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:dogma wrote:Besides not being a huge family person, I'm a PK, so I've seen the sausage being made, so to speak.
...player killer? I seriously don't know what else to say here.
Preacher's kid.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
Oh, duh. I'm in the same boat. I was in a Christmas play early on where I played an orphan and had to say the line "You smell like my mama." That seems relevant and was also the worst line of dialogue ever written, but made every one go "awww" in unison.
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Post by: VikingScott
I've seen less people celebrating christmas this year. I've seen less decorations than what's usually about but then again I had a bit of a celebration on the solstice so I'm happy enough from that but a lot of people might just have bad stuff going on.
Merry Christmas.
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Post by: warpcrafter
Since this is the thread for christmas hate, allow me to pile on.
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Post by: SilverMK2
susejo239 wrote:shadowsnip wrote:Guys I'm starting to feel it!!!
I am too. It might have something to do with the fact that it's Christmas Eve.
I think it is because I have been lurking on the forums today. Everything is better with Silver, especially Christmas.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
Oh, I failed my spot check earlier and got pickpocketed. Everyone be careful out there!
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Post by: shadowsnip
Great, now it feels like sheisemas. My girlfriend just got into an argument with my dad and she's not coming over his house with me for christmas. fething great. Honestly I've never had such an awful time of christmas and as soon as things are starting to look up a ball of sheise comes and throws everything off course. I'm getting drunk tonight and tomorrow so i can forget all about this crap.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
Corpses 2 step plan for Christmas happiness:
1. Drink your spirit of choice
2. LOOK AT THE PIGGY!
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Post by: dogma
shadowsnip wrote:I'm getting drunk tonight and tomorrow so i can forget all about this crap.
This is how I have handled all family gatherings since I was old enough to imbibe in front of my family without reprisal.
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Post by: Monster Rain
Dogma...
You smell like my mama.
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Post by: Red Comet
I feel like its not Christmas at all. I got gifts. Plenty of things I liked..including 40k, but it feels like everything is forced now. No one is nice anymore. Everyone just wants to buy stuff and receive things. Its all about getting the best sale rather than actually giving a gift and receiving it. This year I haven't wanted to listen to any Christmas music. The family wasn't in high hopes either. I just don't get it...I feel like Christmas has become too commercialized to ever have that "Christmas spirit" ever again. Heck even my own mother felt the christmas spirit until this year.
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Post by: Shadowseer_Kim
I feel a bit better after having a couple friends over, and eating loads of food, and giving them gifts. Gift certificates, but gifts none the less.
We also watched like 8 Christmas movies/specials.
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Post by: dogma
Monster Rain wrote:Dogma...
You smell like my mama.
To quote one of my younger second cousins:
"Uncle, can I have some?"
If his mother hadn't been right next to him, the answer would probably have been yes.
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Post by: Melissia
I admit, the only thing special about today for me is that I get to try out a new recipe and have more test subjects whom I can pressure in to putting it on their plate than normal. It'll almost be worth the santimoniousness of a certain couple in my extended family members.
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Post by: MrDwhitey
Does it smell faintly of almonds?
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Post by: Melissia
No, it smells of Gouda, Cheddar, and Swiss, with some onion flakes, powdered cayanne pepper, and mustard seed powder mixed in.
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Post by: susejo239
It feels like Christmas now.
Don't say anything.
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Post by: Necros
I think xmas came too fast this year too.. feels like it should still be like july by now. This year flew by way too fast. Maybe I'm just getting old.
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Post by: Fafnir
Christmas has always sucked.
Worst part is being an atheist and pretending not to be to appease your biblethumping grandfather. I'm growing tired of it. Especially when he talks about how all atheists are stupid, drunken, evil monsters.
I may be evil, and I quite enjoy alcohol, but I am certainly not stupid.
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Post by: Joey
It's too warm for a proper christmas, about 10 degrees above 0...probably the warmest christmas i can remember (it's usually -1/-2).
Though I must say mum's trifle was excellent, none of that sissy fruit in it this year
Just waiting for parents to go to bed so i can have my festive spliff...then probably some more trifle.
Merry Christmas, all!
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Post by: Gymnogyps
Fafnir wrote:Christmas has always sucked.
Worst part is being an atheist and pretending not to be to appease your biblethumping grandfather. I'm growing tired of it. Especially when he talks about how all atheists are stupid, drunken, evil monsters.
I may be evil, and I quite enjoy alcohol, but I am certainly not stupid.
LOL "Amen" brother or sister, whatever the case may be.
I've always enjoyed the festivities, and the symbolic lights as a counter to the lessening of daylight hours.
Last year was offensively OTT on "CHRISTmas", from my acquaintances/ work. Which caused me to have retaliatory secular enjoyment... oddly enough.
This year, there has been nothing. At all. But honestly, today I realized that now the days will grow longer, and I really do enjoy my sunshine. I am not being forced to buy crap for people who don't appreciate the gifts, or me. Instead, me and my SO are watching Sci Fi movies, burning firewood, and enjoying good food and alcohol. Will do the same tomorrow. After that, the following week will be hell at work because I'm the only one covering as the crap hits the fan, but the commute will be light, and I'll be able to get crap done.
Overall, it is nice. But "christmas" is irrelevant.  what a relief!
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Post by: moom241
Poor weather and lackluster general happiness would be my guess. Also my first Christmas without my dad.
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Post by: Luco
Joey wrote:It's too warm for a proper christmas, about 10 degrees above 0...probably the warmest christmas i can remember (it's usually -1/-2).
o_O It was a nice 80 (26 .6) degrees here.Overall a very nice day.
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Post by: Corpsesarefun
Luco wrote:Joey wrote:It's too warm for a proper christmas, about 10 degrees above 0...probably the warmest christmas i can remember (it's usually -1/-2).
o_O It was a nice 80 (26 .6) degrees here.Overall a very nice day.
That's standard summer temperature for us, if we are lucky it gets to low 30's (around 90 in Fahrenheit).
In the winter we tend to have lows of -10 (14) and a standard of around 0.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
dogma wrote:My present to myself has arrived:
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:dogma wrote:Besides not being a huge family person, I'm a PK, so I've seen the sausage being made, so to speak.
...player killer? I seriously don't know what else to say here.
Preacher's kid.
I thought you where a Power Klaw??!! wtf  I still don't get the sausage being made part....and now I've come some wierd ass crap going around in my head...thanks alot... Automatically Appended Next Post: Fafnir wrote:Christmas has always sucked.
Worst part is being an atheist and pretending not to be to appease your biblethumping grandfather. I'm growing tired of it. Especially when he talks about how all atheists are stupid, drunken, evil monsters.
I may be evil, and I quite enjoy alcohol, but I am certainly not stupid.
Hey, I might be evil, I love the booze a wee to much, I might even be a little stupid, but im not a porn star!
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
Well after 5 Christmases and running my ass off for 2 days, I like family more than I used to but hate Christmas. I've heard more bile-filled, homophobic gak than ever in the past 2 days. It's just an excuse for Christians to push their gak on everyone while also pretending that Santa is real. Bah humbug.
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Post by: Mannahnin
FabricatorGeneralMike wrote:dogma wrote:Preacher's kid.
I thought you where a Power Klaw??!! wtf  I still don't get the sausage being made part....and now I've come some wierd ass crap going around in my head...thanks alot... 
This is a reference to a famous quote, "Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made" often misattributed to Otto von Bismarck. This is a reference to the idea that a sausage may be a tasty thing, but watching the process by which it is made and what actually goes into it may be considerable less appetizing. Saxe drew a parallel to the process of making laws, where lots of unglamorous and possibly downright distateful or even dishonest wheeling and dealing and pressuring is used to actually get legislation made. Dogma is saying that seeing the "backstage" parts of a preacher's work are similarly distateful or uninspiring, leaving one with a different impression from the folks who just see the sermon preached and don't know what's behind it/the context of the person up there preaching it.
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Post by: FabricatorGeneralMike
Thank you for explaining that. I 'get it' now. Makes total sence. If people only really knew what was going on behind the scene's.
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Post by: shadowsnip
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Well after 5 Christmases and running my ass off for 2 days, I like family more than I used to but hate Christmas. I've heard more bile-filled, homophobic gak than ever in the past 2 days. It's just an excuse for Christians to push their gak on everyone while also pretending that Santa is real. Bah humbug.
I really can't stand up-tight Christians. i have plenty of pious christian friends that don't push their beliefs on me, why can't these people be like them?
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Post by: Easy E
Come and gone, and back to the cubicle today.
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Post by: DIDM
went to my parents house in Wisconsin to find brown earth and no effin snow
when it is 14 degrees, there better be effin snow dammit
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Post by: Some_Call_Me_Tim?
shadowsnip wrote:Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Well after 5 Christmases and running my ass off for 2 days, I like family more than I used to but hate Christmas. I've heard more bile-filled, homophobic gak than ever in the past 2 days. It's just an excuse for Christians to push their gak on everyone while also pretending that Santa is real. Bah humbug.
I really can't stand up-tight Christians. i have plenty of pious christian friends that don't push their beliefs on me, why can't these people be like them?
Agree with both of you guys (and I am a Christian).
_Tim?
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Post by: Gymnogyps
Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Oh, I failed my spot check earlier and got pickpocketed. Everyone be careful out there!
Wait a minute, apologies for not asking earlier, but did you really get pickpocketed? I hope I'm being overly literal, if not, dude, so sorry, that sucks!
And judgmental nasty family is the worse part of any family gathering, but the enforced gaiety of christmas makes it so much worse. Ugh.
One nice thing occurred today. I ordered some Reaper minis to get the free promotional items 3 separate days last week. All arrived today, and 2 had free samples of paint (Christmas Wreath Green! Adorable!) and tiny candy canes. This was completely unexpected and made me truly smile.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
Gymnogyps wrote:Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Oh, I failed my spot check earlier and got pickpocketed. Everyone be careful out there!
Wait a minute, apologies for not asking earlier, but did you really get pickpocketed? I hope I'm being overly literal, if not, dude, so sorry, that sucks!
And judgmental nasty family is the worse part of any family gathering, but the enforced gaiety of christmas makes it so much worse. Ugh.
One nice thing occurred today. I ordered some Reaper minis to get the free promotional items 3 separate days last week. All arrived today, and 2 had free samples of paint (Christmas Wreath Green! Adorable!) and tiny candy canes. This was completely unexpected and made me truly smile.
I actually did but it wasn't much, just a 20 and a receipt. Could've been much worse  I had the foresight to store money in two different places.
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Post by: Melissia
Mannahnin wrote:Dogma is saying that seeing the "backstage" parts of a preacher's work are similarly distateful or uninspiring, leaving one with a different impression from the folks who just see the sermon preached and don't know what's behind it/the context of the person up there preaching it.
Yeah... it's practically a science of manipulating people :/
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Post by: Mannahnin
Many forms of good communication can be interpreted as manipulating people. The distinctions between how to do it ethically geneally revolve around how honest you are.
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Post by: dogma
I mean, all ministers ultimately want to convince you of something, and that entails speaking to the experience and prejudices of your audience. Whether or not you call that manipulation generally boils down to whether or not you like what you are being convinced of.
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Post by: Mannahnin
Some things are worth being convinced of. Some methods of convincing are open and honest.
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Post by: Cannerus_The_Unbearable
Manipulation in itself isn't good or evil.
</redundant>
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Post by: Luco
corpsesarefun wrote:Luco wrote:Joey wrote:It's too warm for a proper christmas, about 10 degrees above 0...probably the warmest christmas i can remember (it's usually -1/-2).
o_O It was a nice 80 (26 .6) degrees here.Overall a very nice day.
That's standard summer temperature for us, if we are lucky it gets to low 30's (around 90 in Fahrenheit).
In the winter we tend to have lows of -10 (14) and a standard of around 0.
A bit too chilly for me! Though this as summer weather would be nice. How's the humidity?
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