look around I've seen some decent conversions and plenty of how to

check these:
http://whitescars-army.blogspot.com/2011/02/land-speeder-typhoon-conversions.html#uds-search-results

or these:
http://whitescars-army.blogspot.com/2011/02/these-are-my-speeder-confessions.html

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/19429-Cult%20buggies.html
yessss this is AWESOME!


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more troops for 200 points...hmmm

Gharron wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/19429-Cult%20buggies.html
yessss this is AWESOME!


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more troops for 200 points...hmmm

I do like those play them as speeders would be sweet, though they wont be playable at official tournaments. In friendly games you should be fine

Is it because of the wheels? And I think I don't like them because of the two space marines in it or something XD I'm not totally sure why I don't like it. But, the white scars paint job looks amazing.

Troops and FNP w/ Angels is your best friend.


EDIT: A good compilation of lists to look at... Might get a few ideas. http://www.3plusplus.net/p/army-list-compilation.html

Now that, is something I could DEFINITELY use. Wonder how he made that XD and I see he made a 3 part list and then did a 1750 version. I think I may try for another 10 man assault squad? Depending on points but a couple of land speeders doesn't hurt my feelings either. Have them crush the executioner tank I'm sure I'll have SOOO much fun dealing with =/


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Also, why is he using sanguine sword on the libby instead of some other type of rule like the bubble or UR?

Thats is a landspeeder tempest from forge world... Meltas are your friend against tanks. Bikes are a very usable option but I think Baal predators are better options for the fast slot.

I was reading his ideas on another list called "bling rodeo" and I think the dropping of the libby on a bike for 5 more termies to come in is a stupendous Idea.
I think I'd like to try both though XD and when he says TH/SS he means thunder hammer and storm shield which is standard for CC termies yes? and I have 2 baal preds already I wouldn't mind some cover for the bikes and that heavy turret going to town but I like the idea of the fast skimmer on the land speeder or more troops. hmm lots to think out on this one xD

yea that land speeder tempest is actually a different unit. It would be much more cost efficient to find a way to convert normal land speeders, Forge World stuff is very expensive.

The problem with the buggy speeders is that GW sponsored tournaments can be picky on what they will allow. I guess truthfully I can't say that they wouldn't allow them but its a possibility.

TH/SS is not standard. I know codex marines get them as a free upgrade but I'd thought Id heard that there is a pt cost to upgrade from BA termies. Speeders are relatively cheep points wise. If your serious about starting bikes and need the models look into one of the Ravenwing battleforces looks like this:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1400016&prodId=prod1060246

its a good start with bikes and throws in an attack bike and speeder. both are good to start with. Look into buying it off a third party site like miniature market or the Warstore. These places will knock about $30 of GW price. I've also found ebay auctions before for 6 or so bikes for a decent price, but be careful on ebay.


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Be glad speeders dont look like this any more:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/40k-Space-Marine-Ultramarines-Pre-Heresy-Land-Speeder-OOP-metal-/330665366517?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfd3113f5

I found the bikes on ebay at a decent price and it's through paypal so if they don't send them I don't pay =) but I need 20 bikes and at those prices it's gonna be nuts =/ I already blew right at 400$ on this army now I'm backtracking for another 100$ =/
I wouldn't use that speeder. Ever. lmao that thing is AWFUL

Yea i'm very greatful that the atleast switched to the new model which is agreeably a better looking model. The bikes can be expensive models. Though compared to others its not too bad

I'm getting the bikers at 6 for 25$ and I'll buy the two bigger bikes (I mess up their name every time I try) and then I'll need the librarians and the terminators. and I have I believe 30 assault marines and 10 DC which I could swap weapons out enough to get the ASM the correct weapon load outs =)

Ah I believe thats what I got 6 of my bikes at. maybe even 35 actually. One hell of a deal there. again scour ebay for a good deal for the attack bikes. hopefully you can get some good deals and it wont be too taxing on your wallet

I was gonna trade the rhinos I have for them XD and I have a couple extra sanguinary guard squads to hopefully cover the termies and the librarians

Idk much about Sang guard so no clue if its effective. Rhino for attack bike is effectively the same cost wise and pts wise. I put more stock in rhinos then others though, so I don't like to give up my rhinos

Well, they can't carry my JP ASM so I'm a lot less impressed with them than I was.

fair enough. I carry Tac marines in them so they are highly valuable for me

Everyone told me tac marines were awful for blood angels =/

Understandable Again Im a White Scars player so Im running codex marines

oh wow! How you do like the white scars? I haven't ever been able to find much of their fluff and they have a whole 2 sentences in the horus heresy novels I'm up to so I've never really heard much.
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On a side note after seeing the list this guy has me looking at (kirby that is the blood rodeo list XD) Do you know what weapons a standard bike comes with? Will I need any extra bits?

I really enjoy my Scars. Yea they really have the short end when it comes to fluff. Though they have 2 black library books and a few notable things here and there. I'm starting to get a really good feel for how these guys play.

Bikes come standard with the twin linked bolters that are laid into the handle bars. They should come with those as part of the bike. Other then that each Biker has a bolt pistol. You don't need a bit for those but can put them on as a decoration. Again the Bolt pistols are not needed so you shouldnt need to buy anything extra for regular bikers. Though any melta's or special weapons for your sergeants won't come with the bikes so you will have to find those

Would I be able to find the meltas in a normal ASM box? Or are the meltas/flamers attached to bikes?

they will be in held in the marines hand. you may have a few meltas in an assault marine box not sure where they are found.

Hmm I may be borrowing some from my death company XD I wonder how hard this is going to be to make >.>

only place I see them is the Tactical squad boxes. Try looking on Ebay or different sites that sell just bits

Is it the 2 handed melta or do they even make a 1 handed melta? Sigh this has been the most complicated adventure building this army >.>


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Does it matter also what type of armor the librarians have?

friendly games it probably won't matter. As long as your opponent agrees on it shouldn't be a big deal. Again if playing Tournaments they like to see whats in your list on the table.

In a BA army, librarians come in power armor as a standard and a terminator armor cost points. W/ BA you'd want to have 1 in power armor so you can give it a jump pack...

I don't mind getting the metlas I just don't wanna spend a million dollars gettimg them all together =/ and giving the libby a jump pack? I thought he was riding on a bike =[

The list you are building comes with your librarians on bikes. They can actually only wear power armour while on biker though so dont buy anything in terminator armour

Would you give him a staff or a sword? And do the attack bikes come with multi meltas?


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Everything I keep seeing shows the bikers coming with melta guns...if that's the case I have EVERY piece of this as long as the attack bikes come with multi meltas and the bikes come with melta guns.



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bikes have been ordered! hopefully I can trade up these things I don't need for the termies libbys and the meltas and the attack bikes I need >.>

i believe the Attack bike does come with the multi melta. Yea usually you can get a pretty good response on here when it comes to trades. some people will be suspicious since its ur first trade. I'm goin through the same right now.

Well, my Lgs has been great to me about helping me whenever possible so I'm going to him first like I always have even though it's an hour drive for me =/ (not so local =[) and try there first. I saw you have a bunch of stuff up you getting rid of your dark angels or was that the avenue you took to get your white scars set up?

I picked up the ravenwing battleforce at first to flesh out my Scars. After picking up a few things here and there Ive grown to 16 bikes with one being a converted bike captain. I've built up 4 speeders. though still have just one attack bike. I'm picking up 3 more bikes through trades off that thread. I also will be buying a Vindicator tank and later a predator tank to help fix my lack of high strength firepower.

I have 2 baal preds I bought I also have a storm raven lolz but I don't think I'm ever going to use it now. I may try later for some sang guard but I never really grasped the idea of the DoA builds and I kinda just bought stuff thinking it was a decent list. I think that's why I like this blood rodeo so much it was a pointed direction with a weapons list and it was stuff I had. I think I may swap to another legion after this or go ork. I've always been a huge space marines fan but the space wolves were a little complicated when I started and now I'm wondering how well this list will work XD but I'm going to try my best at it and hopefully I won't have to lose to many units in the process of this trade.

Very true. hold on to those bigger things you never know if you'll find a use for them. Bikes can tend to lack high strength firepower so beware of this. Im beginning to start my second army now with Tyranids. Not sure why but something about those cute little buggers just gets me. It will be nice to be on something that isn't marine. I love marines but they do get a tad stale after a while. Orks have barely began to peak my interest recently. Im contemplating a biker list with orks. You can bring an insane amount of bikes with them at a certain point.

Well, I have a friend who wants to get into the space marines and we were going to split an AOBR box and I was going to take the orks. Because taking something that works perfectly well and making it orky is probably the single greatest thing I've ever heard. Plus, they're just AMAZING to look at when you have an entire WAAAAGH going XD
And I just don't know how well I'm going to do as a marine player but I have yet to really play the game so I may find I need a little less of this and little more of that ya know? I just hope I win SOME game with these bikes. How do you think this list will work out? Would you run it?

I think the list has a chance to be very effective. I should run similar to my Bike army as well. Always remeber your bikes are Relentless. That means you can move 12" and still fire any weapons as if you haven't moved. This means your rapid fire Bolters can get 2 shots at 12" range or 1 at 24" range. Relentless also allows you to assault after you fire your rapid fire weapons. Always unleash a full volley of fire before assaulting to help soften them up. Many people will tell you to stay away from assault, but I disagree. The added toughness of the bikes will mean less wounds on them. Stay away from assault with units that are very strong in CC.

When you get your first game going try to find someone who doesn't take the game too seriously. Playing other marines will be very simple, but playing other armies such as IG or Orks will feel very rewarding as you will kill alot of models. This doesn't mean a guaranteed win each army has its own aspects that can be nasty. Try to get about a 1000pt game for your first battle. Its a good starting point without things getting really complicated.

Most of all remember that this is a game. Have fun with it. you will win some and lose some. Don't take it to heart if you get crushed your first round. There is a decent learning curve. try to get a good feeling for the game.

Attack bikes come with multimeltas.

Bikers DO NOT come with meltas, unless you buy the 3 biker box set from GW, that comes with a metal guy with a melta, a metal guy with a plasma, and a metal sergeant with a sword.

The best way to get meltas is to just buy em from GW.... http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1400031

Yes, they will require some fiddling with to get to fit on your guys, but they will be fine... and at that price, they are OK. I check ebay too, sometimes I can grab meltas at 2.99 each or so... I buy em from there then, because I like the plastic ones so much more.

The Ravenwing boxed set is great, because you can make a librarian out of a ravenwing biker fairly easily.... my librarian biker is the guy in blue in this picture - http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/283769-Aurora%20Chapter%20Task%20Force.html

Because librarians have blue armor, its pretty hard to mistake him. Give him a cloak, and a hood, and its all good.

Ok, so I'll have to buy some meltas and that's fine =) but I have to trade out for the libbys and the termies and the 2 attack bikes for sure. Which is no big deal I'M HOPING. and even blood angel libbys are blue? Who'd a known...
I'm excited about this list just because of the bikes =D that's why I swapped to it to be honest.
I hear razorback spam is the winning comp but meh I want some variety XD and I could buy the ravenwing set tomorrow maybe...I dunno I'll have to talk to the guy who owns mlgs >.>
how do you like your bikes? Have the been effective? and that's the whole fun of this build is getting the bikes into cc aside from the harder units like you said but I have some termies for that >-=)

In my experience, the main weakness of bikes is massed str 6+ shooting. Force enough armor saves, and they will die. Blood angels, with apothecaries, can fix that.. and an assault marine escort will make them much better. A blood angel force with bikes will play VERY different from a codex marine bike army... it should be fu. Hell, I might try it in the future

I was wondering about taking smoke and instead of the libby having the sword giving him the bubble so I have the FNP FC 25-30 assault marines and the bikes with all their load outs.


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What does the sword of sanguinius do for a libby on a bike?

Have you even read the BA codex?

"The Librarian's force weapon takes on a violent crimson hue as he infuses it w/ a sliver of his inner rage.

This power is used at the start of either players Assault phase. The Librarian's close combat attacks are made at strength 10."

I read that and couldn't find it again =/
That's cool I guess. Just wondering how squishy the bikes are actually going to be
But for now I think I'm going to finish this out and work out some other builds later and enjoy this =D

Nilla Bikes ara a PITA for me to kill as a BA player. The Toughness 5 forces you to roll really high to wound.

long with the feel no pain from the priest's I was look at smoke and the libby bubble to make them a little tougher as well but that sword of sanguinius and the blood lance sound like SO much firepower and fun

What smoke are you talking about?

If you look on the side of the attack bikes they have a smoke launcher or so I thought >.>
I'm REALLY new to tale top so bear with me man XD
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440195a&prodId=prod1060100
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I'm also new to typing it would seem >.> sorry for all the miss spells everyone <.<

Why use smoke when you don't get to fire that same turn? And that only protects your attack bike. You might as well just turbo boost.

ah, see I haven't been able to buy a rule book yet either (College kid) if that's even in there and I've been painting assault marines lately and just kinda glancing through my codex to make sure everything is still on track >.>

Nah attack Bikes do not have smoke launchers. Someone over at GW got a little glue happy and slapped on a bit that doesnt even come with the bike. Idiot. Believe me with FNP and the added bike toughness you wont need much more. The best cover save youll ever get will be a 3+ after turbo boosting. Again though no shooting after turbo boosting. Be sure to give your Codex a read through. Look around online for PDF versions of the Big Rule Book. This isn't a substitute for the actual book but it will allow you to read the rules while you wait to buy it. Knowing the rules is by far the biggest hurdle to get over. I've been playing for a year now and am still finding things I missed before. Constant learning.

funkyh wrote:Nilla Bikes ara a PITA for me to kill as a BA player. The Toughness 5 forces you to roll really high to wound.

Do you mean not to bad to kill?
Using scenery you should have the charge so st5 hits before them, then hardly attacks going back against your FNP, it then just becomes a battle of powerfists.

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funkyh wrote:Nilla Bikes ara a PITA for me to kill as a BA player. The Toughness 5 forces you to roll really high to wound.

Do you mean not to bad to kill?
Using scenery you should have the charge so st5 hits before them, then hardly attacks going back against your FNP, it then just becomes a battle of powerfists.

Lot of meltas for that, I'm hoping to keep bigger creatures down. And they've also got suicide termies in place as well. I think the biggest part is the 25-30 assault marines coming up behind the bikes so if you do charge you get a boat load of marines down your throat =)

Heh Heh. He plays my bikes and I dont let him get the charge. I've learned the hard way.

Got 5 assault marines 5 cc termies 2 land speeders 2 attack bikes and 15 meltas on the way as of 5 pm today =) hoping it'll round this list out nicely.
Any ideas on how to convert a libby so he can ride a bike? I was just going to put a bald head and paint him blue on a normal bike for two of them. Only reason I'm doing this is because the libbys you can order are all metal D=
BUT! I got everything else I needed ordered

Very nice collection you've got coming to you there. Id say that should be sufficient to get things going. When it comes to a Libby on a bike you can pretty well do what you want. There's nothing that is necessary to make it a libby. Make sure he is setup with the correct weaponry and he should be good. Maybe make him a bit more ornate then others. If you have any bits that are books maybe put that on his bike some how. Not necessary but it would further the look.

I don't really know anywhere that has the books though? Everything I could find is metal =/ I was gonna just paint him blue and give him a bald head =[ maybe my furioso will have some extra libby stuff on it.


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Welp, not looking like I'm gonna get to be very creative with this unless I can find some dark angels bits somewhere cheap XD


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First attack bikes is assembled and primed =) been at it for a good while now so it's time for some sleep and hopefully to get it painted in the morning

http://www.3plusplus.net/2010/07/my-blood-rodeo.html.
Got a question for the community here.
You see the build and I have to wonder, does he have seargents in this build at all? Or are the powerfists on normal marines?

Gharron wrote:Got 5 assault marines 5 cc termies 2 land speeders 2 attack bikes and 15 meltas on the way as of 5 pm today =) hoping it'll round this list out nicely.
Any ideas on how to convert a libby so he can ride a bike? I was just going to put a bald head and paint him blue on a normal bike for two of them. Only reason I'm doing this is because the libbys you can order are all metal D=
BUT! I got everything else I needed ordered

I took a chaplin biker and convered him to be a libby by replacing his weapon with a power weapon and painting him up like a libby. I also added a few books onto his bike. Pretty easy to do, and I got the model on sale from my FLGS as noone bought it for years.

What line did you get the books from? I haven't been able to find anything aside from sammael that has a book like that =/

The death company came with a scroll-like shoulder pad that I used.

hmm that would work. I saw that on my sprue earlier. wonder if they have anything else like a chest piece or what have you I could use in that way....

A librarian is still a marine so I didn't mind giving him a normal torso. Also, I too a Dark Angels hooded head and used that to remind myself of the psychic hood.

Did you use the helmet'd head or one with like a seargent head with the implant?

I found a store that sells the left open hand the book banner and the staff from the librarian kit but I can't find TWO of them =/ it says they only have 1 >< so I guess I should keep looking =[